#editorial | Logs for 2015-06-08
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[00:00:35] <n1> he seems to be a new fan of our resident AC troll
[00:01:40] <n1> if you look at the mod history for the registered user
[00:01:56] <n1> he is not very good at moderating
[00:02:31] <n1> nearly all of them are either: touche, underrated, overrated or funny
[00:02:34] <cmn32480> seems almost abusive
[00:03:00] <n1> as i also noted, modded my comment off-topic in reply to a comment he moderated as 'touche'
[00:03:24] <n1> then subsequently made a 'yeah dude, right on' in reply to the reply to my reply...
[00:03:44] <cmn32480> nutcase seems appropriate...
[00:04:18] <cmn32480> this is the part where I wonder about making the IPID shwo up for everybody esle so they can see that it is all the smae guy having the conversation with himself
[00:04:40] <n1> problem with ipid showing up for everyone all the time, you dont get to be anon anymore
[00:04:46] <cmn32480> agreed
[00:04:53] <n1> if we're going to denote AC's, it should be on a story by story basis
[00:05:26] <n1> as ive mentioned before, I was an AC on /. for 10 years. i value the ability to post AC, even if i dont do it personally anymore.
[00:07:13] <n1> it would be no different from a uid if they appeared all the time, and would encourage people to go around the system
[00:07:20] <cmn32480> and we can't put out there that we can see the IPID... sigh... at least we know it is the same guy just with 17 AC comments
[00:07:30] <cmn32480> makes it kind funny, actually
[00:07:30] <n1> we're lucky the they dont change IP's all the time
[00:08:12] <juggs> Yah, we can't display IPIDs. It would be fairly trivial these days to pull the hashing algo from rehash source on git then pump the entire IPv4 space through it to create a lookup. At least ~I think~ it would, I actually have no idea what salting is used.
[00:08:20] <cmn32480> my three year old just told my wife that her idea for dinner was "lame"
[00:08:28] <n1> i've had 3 different IPID's in the last couple of weeks
[00:08:32] <n1> and im not even trying
[00:09:00] <n1> cmn32480, kids these days...
[00:09:22] <cmn32480> it still has me giggling
[00:10:02] <n1> at least it wasn't an 'epic fail' of an idea
[00:12:10] <cmn32480> it looks liek the guy changes his IP once the AC posting gets cut off
[00:14:44] <cmn32480> all his recent IPID's are at -10 or -11
[00:26:50] <n1> sounds likely
[00:26:59] <n1> it's frustrating but they're such a small minority
[00:31:19] <cmn32480> i know n1... I know. And based on what we are seeing that small minority is the split personalities within certain people's heads
[01:41:46] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: the email to kaszz bounced sir.
[01:41:50] <mrcoolbp> so no.
[01:41:57] <cmn32480> figures.
[01:42:21] <cmn32480> I deleted one from him earlier today. I assume that he never contacted you after the message in the journal?
[01:48:16] <mrcoolbp> oh lemme check
[01:50:14] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: no emails from him that I see
[01:50:20] <cmn32480> ok
[01:50:45] <cmn32480> then we just keep on doing like we doing, check and delete.
[01:50:56] <cmn32480> some people are just knuckleheads i guess
[02:03:34] <n1> there is no news.
[02:12:21] <n1> Sunday 31 May 2015: CBI figures show UK economic growth has 'cranked up several gears' --- 3hours ago: CBI cuts UK growth forecasts while warning of EU uncertainty
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[03:16:58] <Bytram> anyone here?
[03:17:23] <Bytram> the apple story that just went out... the hugh pickens part is missing all its links! :(
[03:19:54] <takyonAFK> a;rght who's gonna fix it
[03:20:03] <takyonAFK> i'm ready
[03:23:18] <takyonAFK> saved
[03:24:27] <takyonAFK> oy martyb it's fixed
[03:24:31] <takyonAFK> bytram
[03:24:44] <Bytram> yo
[03:25:06] * Bytram just noticed the hugh pickens part of the apple / microsoft moment story lost all its formatting an dlinks
[03:25:11] <Bytram> I just fixed that up
[03:25:43] <takyonAFK> check out this weirdness
[03:26:00] <takyonAFK> http://puu.sh
[03:26:28] <Bytram> before I go clicking random links, what is it?
[03:26:41] <takyonAFK> just the ordering of the signoffs
[03:28:44] <Bytram> oh.
[03:29:10] <Bytram> btw, when I posted here about the hugh part missing its links, I forgot to mention that I was going to go in and fix it.
[03:29:49] <Bytram> I think I grabbed a copy, then you grabbed a copy, then you saved your updated one, and then I saved mine.
[03:30:05] <takyonAFK> so you had done the same fixes
[03:30:06] <takyonAFK> however
[03:30:09] <Bytram> sorry about that!
[03:30:13] <takyonAFK> I also changed "fulty" to "faulty"
[03:30:26] <Bytram> I did that originally...
[03:30:29] * Bytram goes to check
[03:30:43] <Bytram> yep, it's in there.
[03:30:51] <Bytram> fulty --> faulty
[03:32:40] <Bytram> ugh, and I accidentally overwrote the original submission links! =(
[03:33:54] <Bytram> thanksfully, these are registered users, so I can retrieve the links from the user's info pages
[03:38:42] <Bytram> ugh, again. hugh did not submit his story from his hugh pickens acct
[03:38:53] * Bytram looks at papas fritas
[03:39:03] <Bytram> aha! found it
[03:39:15] * Bytram cuts and pastes and types and saves
[03:42:09] <takyonAFK> I fixed up the supreme court story
[03:42:11] <takyonAFK> later
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[12:35:55] <n1> i am still slightly disturbed by the fact that, as far as i can tell
[12:35:58] <n1> there is no news today
[12:51:40] * Bytram looks through #rss-bot
[12:52:29] <n1> i looked last night, and i also checked primary sources this morning
[12:52:35] <n1> nothing has changed as far as i can tell
[12:53:08] <n1> there's stories out there, but there's no actual news, and what is out there is just reprinting stories from the previous week with a different spin
[13:00:35] * Bytram just remembered that there should prolly be a new version of the Unicode spec released by now
[13:14:28] <n1> well, thats something?
[13:15:22] <Bytram> afk
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[13:31:40] <LaminatorX> Mornin folks.
[13:33:28] <n1> mornin' LaminatorX
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[13:37:13] <Bytram> LaminatorX: yo! glad I 'saw' ya before I headed out!
[13:37:36] * Bytram is on his way to buy a car to replace current one which requires more repairs than it is worth :/
[13:39:21] <LaminatorX> Hooray for reliable transportation.
[13:39:25] <janrinok> LaminatorX: hi, how's things?
[13:39:38] <janrinok> Bytram: good luck with the car purchase
[13:39:50] <LaminatorX> Pretty good, thanks. Yourself?
[13:40:13] <janrinok> not bad thx. Good weather though, so that always helps.
[13:41:01] * Bytram is looking at rain approaching on weather radar but wed, thu, fri, and sat supposed to be nice!
[13:50:14] <LaminatorX> I'm looking forward to watching USA vs Australia tonight.
[13:50:37] <janrinok> LaminatorX: One change to stories since you were regularly on here. We have to put a link to the original submission at the end of each story. I'll do it as 2nd ed on your Star Wars story. There will be a software update to do it automatically sometime in the near future
[13:51:09] <LaminatorX> Ah, I assumed it was automated already. Thanks.
[13:52:17] <janrinok> also, if you take a look at takyon's journal pages, he has produced a greasemonkey script which I find very useful when editing. I don't know if you will want to give it a try or not?
[13:54:06] <janrinok> hi n1
[13:54:18] <LaminatorX> I'm not usually using a system where I can install greasemonkey (ipad or work pc) I'll take a look at it though.
[13:54:26] <janrinok> n1: just noticed you editing
[13:54:42] <n1> g'day
[13:55:04] <janrinok> LaminatorX: it speeds up some of the editing tasks, and makes formatting much simpler. Or perhaps it is just that I am clusmsy at HTML
[13:55:13] <janrinok> n1: you good?
[13:55:54] <n1> probably after i have some lunch
[13:55:57] <n1> how about you?
[13:56:09] <janrinok> good thx, and already eaten!
[13:57:35] <LaminatorX> Where do you get the subID for a story that's already been accepted?
[13:57:54] <janrinok> just above the intro text - View Submission
[13:58:41] <LaminatorX> Got it, thanks.
[13:59:03] <n1> see, i hadnt seen that either...
[13:59:11] <n1> the things you miss that are like right fucking there
[13:59:21] <janrinok> Eventually it will go on the same line as the title - or at least I think that is what was finally agreed
[13:59:39] <janrinok> yep - neither CH or Tak had noticed that either
[13:59:57] <n1> until now i'd been getting the url from the submissions queue
[14:00:20] <janrinok> not the easiest way to do it!
[14:00:52] <n1> indeed not, but now i know better!
[14:03:28] <n1> i think it's pukka pie time...
[14:04:34] <n1> also janrinok, for your consideration if you havnt seen it: https://soylentnews.org
[14:04:34] <janrinok> I've not had a pukka pie in many a year
[14:04:35] <systemd> ^ 03SN journal Nuclear Chicken Wings: Trinity 04(3 comments)
[14:05:14] <n1> i have only recently started eating them, something about seeing them in fish-n-chip shops made me not trust them
[14:05:37] <n1> but they are rather nice, and they do ones for the microwave now, which are actually pretty damn amazing
[14:06:00] <janrinok> I can't get the hot sauces here - but I will be doing some UK shopping in a few months time!
[14:15:28] <n1> im going to try a variation on the theme at some point
[14:15:35] <n1> as the specific brands are not available here
[14:15:41] <n1> although i could probably find them on amazon
[14:16:23] <LaminatorX> KT's admonition to wash your hands thoroughly after handling peppers reminds me of a story a friend of mine once shared about an unfortunate incident that occurred when a chef she was dating stopped by between shifts. I'll leave the details to your imagination, but she did eventually marry the lucky fellow.
[14:16:47] <janrinok> can't buy fresh chicken wings here either - they are already spiced and sold in packaging.
[14:17:21] <n1> LaminatorX, thanks for leaving that to my imagination....
[14:17:32] <n1> janrinok: have to buy a whole fresh chicken?
[14:17:35] <janrinok> lol - I had a similar story about chopping hot peppers and suddenly having to relieve myself. DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME - OR ANYWHERE!
[14:18:04] <janrinok> n1: yep, but each time I save the wings until I have enough for a dish on their own
[14:18:19] <n1> smart move
[14:18:49] <n1> chicken wings are the best
[14:20:45] <n1> is that the case for most/all parts of the chicken? if you want fresh you have to buy the whole thing?
[14:21:14] <janrinok> no, you can get everything else, but the wings are very popular and profitable
[14:21:57] <janrinok> In fact, I would rather buy meat here than back in the UK, more choice, cuts that you rarely see in the UK now, and reasonable prices
[14:23:49] <LaminatorX> You're in a smallr rural-ish community too, yeah? That makes a big difference.
[14:23:54] <janrinok> true
[14:25:29] <LaminatorX> Wendy and I spend a weekend in a little farming/winery town 90minutes outside of STL from time to time. We always bring a cooler along to stock up at the meat market on our way home.
[14:25:42] <n1> the meat most people seem to eat here barely deserves the term
[14:29:04] <janrinok> LaminatorX: it seems to me that it shouldn't be the case any more. We have major stores with better communications than ever before, but they all seem to serve the same old cuts. There must be a market locally for the meat that you have to travel to buy now.
[14:29:39] <n1> janrinok, i think the reason is profit.
[14:29:57] <n1> tell people what they want, dont give them real choice, results in more margin, less overheads, bigger profits.
[14:31:03] <n1> robot butchers dont need to be all that careful when they only have to make 4 cuts out of a chicken
[14:31:10] <n1> and the rest is mechanically reclaimed for pies and nuggets
[14:31:35] <janrinok> but as you say, can hardly be called meat
[14:31:59] <n1> as long as you dont know any different and cover it in ketchup
[14:32:02] <n1> who cares?
[14:32:07] <LaminatorX> I think that marketing is as more to blame than infrastructure, and a lack of food lore among consumers. A lot of people my age and younger didn't learn to cook properly, and aren't even aware of what they're missing. There's certainly nothing stopping that country fare from being trucked into town, and there are a few speceialty shops around that do.
[14:32:35] <n1> as LaminatorX said: "aren't even aware of what they're missing"
[14:33:35] <n1> i only know what i've been missing because of travelling, if you dont get out of the town/city, food is just an obligation to many i think
[14:34:10] <janrinok> I agree, far fewer people seem to know _how_ to cook, rather than reheat, nowadays. I must confess I have only restarted my culinary fun over the last couple of years - largely due to necessity - but the meals I prepare are cheaper than the supermarket offerings and are significantly tastier too.
[14:34:24] <n1> yup
[14:34:35] <LaminatorX> brb
[14:35:03] <n1> most people don't have the time to cook now
[14:46:01] <LaminatorX> I have made a point of keeping my grandmother's 1965 edition of The Settlement Cookbook. It retains a lot of the immigrant and pre-mass-production food lore of the 1901 edition, but is new enough that presumes modern size eggs and provides actual cooking temperatures rather than suggestions on how vigorously to encourage your wood-fired stove.
[14:46:59] <janrinok> I didn't realise that egg sizes had changed?
[14:48:39] <LaminatorX> They're bigger now. It must be accounted for when using old recipes for baking.
[14:48:58] <janrinok> well, I use that as the excuse next time something goes wrong....
[14:51:47] <LaminatorX> I have some friends who were active in the society for Creative Anachronism for many years. One of them has a book all about accomodations to make when adapting old recipes for modern goods. The pre-modern carrot, for example, was about the size of a parsnip. We've been paying farmers by bulk and weight for a long time, and the varietals they developed have grown to reflect that.
[14:53:08] <janrinok> I prefer the small but tasty varieties
[14:53:36] <LaminatorX> That's part of why heirloom tomato varieties have more intense flavor and chewier texture. The mass market varietals have been bred to hold much more water in the fruit. It adds weight, but dilutes flavor.
[14:54:43] <janrinok> I don't mind paying a little extra for flavour, but I realise that it flies in the face of modern trends where there appears to be a drive to cut price regardless of anything else.
[14:55:41] <CoolHand> u r all offtopic.. take it to #soylent... :P
[14:56:05] <janrinok> lol - hi CoolHand
[14:56:11] <CoolHand> helo janrinok
[14:56:17] <CoolHand> whassup?
[14:56:31] <janrinok> good, u?
[14:56:48] <CoolHand> pretty good.. busy @work..
[14:57:09] <janrinok> pity - it's all fun and games on here :)
[14:57:24] <LaminatorX> Is ther still a bacon channel, or did that end with Kobach?
[14:57:25] <CoolHand> haha, fun and meat maybe
[14:57:39] <janrinok> I think kobach took it with him
[14:57:58] * janrinok notes it is still recorded in the wiki though...
[15:02:28] * CoolHand is creating a wiki for his team @work's documentation right now..
[15:03:38] <janrinok> I think that is enough editing by me for a few hours - time for a quick look at imgur!
[15:04:43] <n1> ahoy, CoolHand
[15:07:46] <CoolHand> hola n1
[15:12:16] <LaminatorX> I need to head too. A bunch of @work stuff needs to move from testing to production this afternoon.
[15:12:28] <CoolHand> good luck LaminatorX !
[15:12:30] <CoolHand> :)
[15:13:04] <LaminatorX> Fingers crossed, thanks.
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[22:45:34] <takyonAFK> hello
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[22:46:03] <takyon> latest Apple-related submission has a trollish dig at ethanol-fueled in the name
[22:46:14] <takyon> anyway, there may be cause to merge all of the apple news
[22:46:20] <takyon> there's news about Swift and OSX
[22:46:37] <takyon> but there's also iOS 9, Apple Watch OS 2, and Apple Music (Spotify clone)
[22:46:38] <n1> just a heads up i added a little to your MERS submission, as it's now an even worse situation
[22:46:52] <takyon> yeah I saw, that's exactly what it needed
[22:47:00] <takyon> I had read the 6th death BBC article myself
[22:47:20] <n1> janrinok did the comment as an editors note, but it was too important to leave like that, hence removing it from an ed's note
[22:47:23] <n1> and then including blockquote
[22:47:26] <takyon> so yeah, there's a ton of Apple news
[22:47:35] <n1> i'd say all apple news should come as one story
[22:47:56] <n1> personally, i dont give two fucks about what apple is announcing, but either way it's all one big story
[22:48:00] <n1> rather than a lot of little bullshit
[22:48:02] <takyon> I can add a condensed portion to the end of a merged story with all the links, but the thing is that Apple Music is probably the biggest announcemenet of the mall
[22:48:14] <n1> sounds like a plan
[22:48:23] <n1> start with most important and then work way down the list?
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[22:49:13] <takyon> in order of normal people importance it's probably Apple Music, OS X, Apple Watch 2 OS, iOS 9, and Swift
[22:49:29] <n1> normal people lol
[22:49:30] <takyon> for us we can probably do OS X, Swift, Apple Music, iOS 9, Apple Watch 2
[22:49:35] <takyon> in that order
[22:49:46] <takyon> it's true lol
[22:50:04] <takyon> what do you think cmn32480
[22:50:25] <cmn32480> about what, exactly?
[22:50:36] <cmn32480> I just got here and am already confused
[22:50:54] <takyon> Apple WWDC generated a lot of news
[22:51:04] <takyon> we have subs for the "Swift" programming language and OS X
[22:51:17] <takyon> the complete merged story could mention "OS X, Swift, Apple Music, iOS 9, Apple Watch 2" in that order
[22:51:30] <takyon> Apple Music is a Spotify clone
[22:52:01] <cmn32480> for us I agree with your order
[22:52:26] <cmn32480> your order for "normal people" was also correct, I think
[22:52:33] <n1> " personally, i dont give two fucks about what apple is announcing"
[22:52:36] <n1> so whatever works for me :D
[22:52:43] <cmn32480> for some of us, n1 is correct
[22:52:50] <cmn32480> and beat me to saying it
[22:53:32] <takyon> it's important for you to know this Apple news. think of your wives, husbands, children, and parents
[22:53:37] <n1> i appreciate other people do care
[22:53:46] <n1> my business partner is a 100% apple fanboi
[22:53:52] <n1> i hate him for it
[22:53:54] <cmn32480> not my family. we are all android.
[22:54:04] <cmn32480> except my brother. but we don't talk to him
[22:54:55] <n1> fair enough heh
[22:55:04] <cmn32480> I agree, it IS news
[22:55:17] <cmn32480> and I'm sure that somebody that reads this site has an eye phone
[22:55:28] <cmn32480> mrcolbp comes to mind
[22:55:30] <n1> it's news, but im glad we're not falling for the trap and releasing a bunch of apple stories over a day or two
[22:56:05] <n1> i think there are a few people who have iphones and macbookpros
[22:56:58] <cmn32480> yes... I was being facetious
[22:57:21] <cmn32480> it is news, and takyon has a good order already set.
[22:57:30] <n1> and rightly so
[23:01:25] <takyon> i can write a one liner for most of the stuff
[23:01:54] <cmn32480> when is most of it being released? next day or two?
[23:02:08] <n1> tomorrow would be best
[23:02:30] <cmn32480> I'm in....
[23:02:35] <n1> im down for it being the next story after the current last one in the queue
[23:02:40] * cmn32480 throws dart at US map
[23:02:42] <takyon> we can run it at 13:00
[23:02:57] <n1> yup
[23:03:05] <n1> GMT i'm assuming?
[23:03:23] <cmn32480> everything is UTC, for ease of confusion
[23:03:34] <n1> GMT/UTC
[23:03:55] <n1> which i liked, but im guessing the extra time stuff in stories now is for people who set their profile to something else
[23:04:14] <n1> as i know it was an inconvinience for editors who arn't janrinok or myself.
[23:04:14] <takyon> I'm getting better at thinking in UTC
[23:04:18] <n1> same
[23:04:28] <cmn32480> me three
[23:04:47] <takyon> the extra time stuff is nice for a glance, although the column seems to be too small for me because now every row is two lines
[23:05:03] <n1> not for me
[23:05:14] <cmn32480> mine looks good
[23:05:19] <takyon> obviously this is browser and screen resolution dependent
[23:05:42] <takyon> I'm stuck on dirty, dirty 1366x768
[23:05:46] <cmn32480> guys.. I'm gonna go get some dinner. back in a while.
[23:05:51] <cmn32480> ewwwwwwww....
[23:06:02] <n1> heh
[23:06:21] <cmn32480> I've been going since 4am local time. and the tank is empty
[23:06:29] <n1> and i thought i was uncool for having a regular ol' 1920x1080 resolution
[23:06:34] <n1> enjoy, cmn32480
[23:07:01] <cmn32480> 1600x900, as long as I am on my laptop
[23:07:07] <cmn32480> my work laptop
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[23:07:33] <takyon> so what happens to original sub links once we merge a bunch
[23:07:44] <takyon> cause to run this I need to merge a story with 2 merged stories
[23:08:42] <n1> i have no fucking idea
[23:09:08] <n1> the original sub links should be fine, if you get them before the merge
[23:09:20] <cmn32480|dinner> use the site search by the title or first line
[23:09:26] <takyon> thx
[23:09:28] <n1> lol, use the site search
[23:09:29] <cmn32480|dinner> you can search just the subm issions
[23:09:43] <takyon> hey I actually made good use of site search the other day
[23:09:47] <n1> last time i tried to use the site search, didnt get shit
[23:09:50] <cmn32480|dinner> I'm not kidding... it works pretty well for this
[23:09:51] <n1> first result on google though
[23:10:05] <takyon> it depends on the task
[23:10:21] <takyon> I was able to search stories I had saved pretty easily
[23:10:38] <n1> if doing a big merge like, it would just be easier to grab the submission links from the sub queue, before merging
[23:10:44] <n1> but after the fact, then searching is about the best option
[23:10:57] <takyon> well i've got one of three, i'm sure the other two aren't hard
[23:11:04] <takyon> it's just an incrementing integer
[23:11:05] <n1> i have had success with the search, just not the last time
[23:12:07] <takyon> nuff talk, time for action
[23:13:47] <takyon> gottem
[23:16:23] <takyon> can we omit <p class="byline">
[23:16:35] <takyon> is there a semantic reason to have it?
[23:17:19] <n1> i dont believe so
[23:19:48] <takyon> i'm changing the Always Thinking of Ethanol-fueled to Anonymous Coward
[23:19:51] <takyon> there's no need for that
[23:20:15] <n1> yup
[23:22:54] <n1> http://www.itworld.com
[23:22:55] <systemd> ^ 03Facebook letting more stores ping your phone when you're inside | ITworld
[23:53:02] <takyon> almost done
[23:55:03] <takyon> n1 check it out if you'd like
[23:55:23] <takyon> https://soylentnews.org
[23:55:29] <systemd> ^ 03Error
[23:55:35] <n1> on my way
[23:56:30] <takyon> so much stuff
[23:58:05] <n1> lol @ 'truly american rock formation'
[23:58:54] <takyon> yeah it's dripping with sarcasm
[23:59:12] <takyon> can't expect anything else from "Always Thinking of Ethanol-fueled"