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[01:37:52] <Bytram> cmn32480: greetings!
[01:38:14] <cmn32480> Bytram! Howdily dodily!
[01:38:45] <cmn32480> how are we on this fine Friday evening?
[01:39:06] <Bytram> hanging in -- just winding up my 2nd day off in a row... and then I'm in for a 6-day streetcch
[01:39:20] * Bytram is finding bugs on dev atm
[01:39:23] <cmn32480> woof
[01:39:37] <cmn32480> they shodl get some RAID. get rid of them bugs
[01:39:46] * cmn32480 is editing
[01:40:33] <cmn32480> party animals we are!
[02:19:14] <Bytram> whoever marked 'Soylevertisement' on https://soylentnews.org
[02:19:47] <Bytram> ISTR that nick being used to try and drive traffic to that blog before.
[02:22:30] <Bytram> I may have misremembered.
[02:22:44] <Bytram> still, the story has little more than a link to his blog.
[02:23:20] * Bytram is of the mind to run the story only if the queue is really low over the weekend
[02:24:13] <cmn32480> I marked it
[02:24:29] <cmn32480> I thoguht I put my initals on it
[02:25:00] <cmn32480> ISTR? is that an acronym I don't know?
[02:29:55] <Bytram> I Seem To Recall
[02:30:01] <cmn32480> ahh
[02:30:08] <cmn32480> it makes much more sense now
[02:30:16] <Bytram> nice
[02:30:30] * Bytram is 2nd editing a story... confusing phrasing:
[02:30:31] <Bytram> One thing that is left out of the articles mentioned above is the amount of time needed to close a given crack to "heal".
[02:31:11] <cmn32480> shoudln't be "close". shoudl be "for"
[02:31:14] <cmn32480> I sweart I fixed that
[02:31:16] <Bytram> One thing that is left out of the articles mentioned above is the amount of time needed for a given crack to "heal" closed.
[02:31:29] <Bytram> how does that sound?
[02:31:30] <cmn32480> yes much better
[02:31:36] <Bytram> k, I'll fix it
[02:31:40] <cmn32480> thanks
[02:31:50] <Bytram> np!!!
[02:32:57] <cmn32480> that blog in the soylevertisement is brand new
[02:33:15] <cmn32480> the domain was registered only a couple days ago
[02:35:03] <cmn32480> registered through enom.com
[02:36:07] <Bytram> I just noticed it's lateon a friday and the queue is running low... maybe we should space out the stories that are currently inthe story queue?
[02:37:06] <cmn32480> most are about 90 min apart...
[02:37:19] <cmn32480> thinking closer to 2:00 or 2:15?
[02:37:35] <cmn32480> mmmm ebrry weiss
[02:37:39] <cmn32480> *berry
[02:37:59] <Bytram> that works great on WEEKDAYS; on weekends, we tend to run more to 2:30 or, in a pinch, even 34:00
[02:38:04] <Bytram> ugh
[02:38:07] <Bytram> that works great on WEEKDAYS; on weekends, we tend to run more to 2:30 or, in a pinch, even 3:00
[02:38:14] <cmn32480> i knew what you meant
[02:38:17] <cmn32480> :-)
[02:38:39] <cmn32480> I read typo pretty well. I work with salesmen all day
[02:38:54] <cmn32480> I'll start spacing
[02:39:13] <cmn32480> further out. 2:30ish
[02:39:33] <Bytram> cmn32480: It's a bit of a pain; might help to have two WINDOWS open; one with the current story order and times; and another window where things are getting moved around.
[02:40:10] <Bytram> this is where a CLI is much better than a GUI;
[02:40:47] <cmn32480> I figured on starting from the far end. and set everything to 1 minute apart starting at 12:00 on 5/16
[02:40:58] <cmn32480> 5/17..
[02:42:13] <cmn32480> I did the same thing on 4/1
[02:42:25] <Bytram> for $story_index in (select * from stories order by story_post_date_time) set story_post_date_time = 20150516_012000 + (11 - story_index) * 150 + rand(10);
[02:42:54] <Bytram> that's wicked crude, but I think it conveys they idea.
[02:42:54] <cmn32480> I'm sorry... I don't speak jive
[02:43:01] <Bytram> LKOL!!!!!!
[02:43:17] <Bytram> you got me with that one! thanks for the laugh!
[02:43:38] <cmn32480> I'm glad I could help
[02:44:43] <Bytram> heck, just being able to put a lock on the story times, update them all at once on one page, hit submit, and then release the lock would be an improvement, but it is rife with potential problems and difficulties.
[02:45:17] <cmn32480> yeah... that'd be nice
[02:45:39] * Bytram is 2nd editing the Oculus rift story
[02:45:47] <cmn32480> but with limited resources there are more important thigns for the devs to work on
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[02:47:02] <Bytram> cmn32480: so true
[02:47:12] <Bytram> n1: bojour, mine freund!
[02:47:39] <n1> ahoy, Bytram :)
[02:47:59] <Bytram> cmn32480: oculus story looks good. I'm done with it.
[02:48:11] <cmn32480> thanks for the heads up
[02:48:14] * Bytram pipes n1 aboard
[02:48:18] <Bytram> npo
[02:48:20] <Bytram> np
[02:48:29] * Bytram is running out of steam.
[02:48:44] <cmn32480> I can tell
[02:48:50] <juggs> Ridiculous sub is in
[02:48:51] <cmn32480> your typing gets bad when you get tired
[02:48:54] <Bytram> n1: whacha been up to?
[02:49:08] <Bytram> juggs: how 'bout a yellow sub-marine?
[02:49:13] <Bytram> =)
[02:49:38] <n1> been working a lot, how have you been?
[02:49:40] <cmn32480> soon as I finish the queue fixin' I'll reject it juggs
[02:49:56] <juggs> Heh, if the monty python thing doesn't fly, we can move to The Beatles
[02:50:17] <cmn32480> juggs that is just gonna be a circus
[02:50:32] <juggs> a flying one?
[02:50:47] <cmn32480> way to ruin the joke by explaining it
[02:50:58] * juggs sighs
[02:51:05] <cmn32480> but absolutely a flying circus
[02:51:16] <cmn32480> I own the box set
[02:51:38] <cmn32480> definetly BRitish humor
[02:52:52] * Bytram only has his memories, such as they are, to rely upon.
[02:53:20] <cmn32480> bytram - when you are done in the chinese supercomputer story, please set to 22:45ish
[02:53:40] <cmn32480> I haven't watched it in ages
[02:53:57] <Bytram> oh, too late. I just hit update... hold on, I'll fit it.
[02:54:03] <juggs> The whole sub is utterly ridiculous. It's not meant to present a solution, it's meant to present an open question in a farcical way. I probably didn't hit that brief, hence I leave it to the Eds to can it or run it.
[02:54:21] <Bytram> done
[02:54:31] <cmn32480> preciate it, sir
[02:55:04] <Bytram> cmn32480: I'm gonna 2nd ed Iowa chicks story; let me know what time you want for it.
[02:55:45] <cmn32480> 5/17 0100ish, please bytram
[02:56:44] <Bytram> np, will do
[02:57:06] * Bytram rustles up some <p>'s for Hugh Picken's story
[02:58:01] <cmn32480> it is hilarious juggs
[02:58:18] <cmn32480> I think you hit farcical very well
[02:58:31] * Bytram will look at it in a short while
[02:59:09] <cmn32480> but, to be quite honest, it is far above my pay grade to decide to run or not run that one. I will elave it to Bytram and mrcoolbp
[03:01:57] <Bytram> Iowa chicks story 2nd edit completed.
[03:02:50] <cmn32480> much obliged, sir
[03:03:05] <cmn32480> we are well into tomorrow evening for the queue
[03:03:25] <n1> Bytram++
[03:03:25] <Bender> karma - bytram: 2
[03:03:28] <n1> cmn32480++
[03:03:28] <Bender> karma - cmn32480: 3
[03:03:32] <cmn32480> amen to that ni
[03:03:34] <cmn32480> n1
[03:03:37] <cmn32480> dang it
[03:03:41] <Bytram> n1++
[03:03:41] <Bender> karma - n1: 15
[03:03:46] <Bytram> n1**2
[03:03:47] <cmn32480> bytram++
[03:03:47] <Bender> karma - bytram: 3
[03:03:58] <n1> im not a knight
[03:04:01] <cmn32480> we got a regular mutual; admiration socienty
[03:04:01] <Bytram> team++
[03:04:01] <Bender> karma - team: 1
[03:04:22] <cmn32480> I believe it was teamwork++
[03:04:25] <cmn32480> teamwork++
[03:04:25] <Bender> karma - teamwork: 10
[03:04:48] * cmn32480 hands out beers all around
[03:04:57] <n1> beer ftw
[03:05:05] <cmn32480> amen good sir!
[03:05:16] <n1> i dont know if it's early or late for it, but i'll take it ;)
[03:05:33] <cmn32480> I said it earlier... it is 5pm somewhere
[03:05:53] <juggs> cmn32480, yes it needs Bytram. NCommander, mrcoolbp, paulej72 approval to run. I just wanted to run something silly out there for the weekend. Simply because silly is good once in a while. :D
[03:06:25] <Bytram> juggs: The story has some possibilities... do you have editor privs? i.e., can you edit a story that is in the story queue?
[03:06:59] <juggs> And silly tears down barriers and gets us talking about stuff that matters without reservation.
[03:07:39] <juggs> Bytram, yes I have ed privs. Why?
[03:08:54] <Bytram> I was thinking I'll approve the story, but mark it NOT DISPLAY and set the posting time mid/late Sunday PM. After a night's sleep, go in and add any other thoughts/ideas you had, and THEN we'll 2nd edit and release to the community
[03:09:07] <n1> agree with Bytram
[03:09:34] <Bytram> I know I benefited greatly from getting something out, reviewing and pondering, and only then sending it loose (the Privacy/Surveillance story)
[03:10:37] <cmn32480> and nothign says it has to run this weekend.
[03:10:40] <Bytram> and, for some strange reason, it is just screaming to me for a third mod option.
[03:10:44] <Bytram> cmn32480: true true
[03:11:15] <cmn32480> should you (or the management team) decide to push it out further, it woudnb't be the first time we ahve done that
[03:13:10] <n1> informal and direct dialogue with the community at large is a good idea, and the weekend is probably the best time to do it
[03:13:27] <n1> in general
[03:14:05] <cmn32480> the weekend means lowest number of hits
[03:14:27] <cmn32480> generally the clicks are better during the week as I understand thigns
[03:14:42] <juggs> Bytram, as I said, it's in Editorial hands now. I'll not be disheartened if it gets deleted, I rather enjoyed writing it, that's enough for me even if it never sees the light of day. My silly thoughts piped to text. Let's get some silly up in here!! Smiling and laughing is not a crime last I checked.. bring out the silly cushion ffs, none of us are getting out of this alive!
[03:15:09] <Bytram> Phhhbbbtttt@
[03:15:19] <n1> cmn32480, as far as it's always been, thats been true, but it's a better time to go meta and throw ideas around i think
[03:15:37] <n1> during the week is better for announcements and more official posts
[03:15:41] <n1> thats my perception anyways
[03:16:34] <cmn32480> i was thinking in temrs of getting the most exposure for a post that directly effects how we moderate to generate the most possible discussion
[03:17:01] <cmn32480> have you read it n1?
[03:17:07] <cmn32480> https://soylentnews.org
[03:17:08] <n1> i dont know how long it's been, but the topic has been talked about a lot in different forms.
[03:17:13] <n1> yeah i checked it a little bit ago
[03:17:32] <cmn32480> it has certainly been beaten around a fair amount
[03:17:36] <juggs> shit got serious again
[03:17:57] * juggs slinks out of #editorial
[03:18:13] <n1> i think it's worth going with, with the more relaxed attitude
[03:18:27] <cmn32480> I tend to agree
[03:19:28] <n1> is slightly worrying, the content, about the degrading of comments
[03:19:53] <n1> i havn't been on the site at all since i last edited a story, so i have no idea how things have been the last couple months?
[03:20:32] <cmn32480> I haven't been reading so much as editing... actually reading the site has become a luxury
[03:20:49] <n1> yeah, i know how that goes
[03:20:57] <Bytram> juggs: are you hoping for actual *action* coming from this? i.e. something that the devs will have to implement? Or is this intended to be a fantasy peice where one can create their own random/strange/baroque moderation fantasies?
[03:20:57] <cmn32480> RL has been a whirlwind of crazyness
[03:21:11] <n1> good bad or inbetween?
[03:21:29] <cmn32480> a littel from column A, a littel from column B
[03:21:57] <n1> get that too
[03:21:59] <cmn32480> we had a guy quit at work on zero notice, and as the dept head I get to pick up all his work until my new guy is trained enough to do it
[03:22:20] <cmn32480> unfortunately, this requires a lot of travel.
[03:22:43] <cmn32480> so far I have about 35 nights on the road this year, most of ti in the last 90 days
[03:22:54] <Bytram> cmn32480: ouch.
[03:23:02] <cmn32480> yes
[03:23:02] <n1> well even more points for getting on here and editing
[03:23:04] <cmn32480> ouch
[03:23:08] <n1> cmn32480++
[03:23:08] <Bender> karma - cmn32480: 4
[03:23:41] <n1> i'm on the again road soon, and i cant find the time to work on the site
[03:23:54] <cmn32480> somebody referenced it in a comment a while back about the editroial staff doing their thing from all over the place, including airports, and hotels
[03:24:09] <cmn32480> where you headed to?
[03:24:10] <n1> the whole staff works like it really
[03:24:16] <Bytram> juggs: /me is assuming this is more of a fantasy piece than it is a call for actual, new, moderation options.
[03:24:20] <juggs> Bytram, intended as food for thought on how to combat "marry little girls" spam shite without imposing a top down ban from staff. i.e. put it in the hands of the the community. The story is clearly stupid and mad, but it serves as a joly to get people to think about how to deal with this kind of thing without invoking a top down imposed banhammer that noone likes.
[03:24:37] <n1> over the summer i do some work on music festivals around the UK
[03:24:50] <cmn32480> very cool
[03:24:51] <Bytram> so, no real coding changes intended?
[03:25:28] <n1> it can be very cool, but it's probably the least reliable for actually getting paid and having jobs get cancelled
[03:25:38] <cmn32480> yick. that sucks
[03:26:05] <cmn32480> i deal with a couple companies that do that stuff here in the states
[03:26:17] <cmn32480> they buy their mobile computers from us
[03:26:19] <juggs> Bytram, well if everyone goes "YAY!! Monty Python Mod sounds ACE" then yeh, there could be some coding involved. I doubt that will happen though as it is clearly farcical.
[03:26:34] <n1> yeah it's not ideal, i do a other stuff the rest of the year and we've had a new opportunity with that, which means doing festivals is now the last thing i should be doing
[03:26:43] <Bytram> just making sure I understand, that's all.
[03:26:54] <Bytram> makes a big difference in the tone and wording, yano?
[03:27:06] <n1> as we've just entered into a relatively big deal and going into a new direction
[03:27:17] <n1> what do you mean by mobile computers?
[03:28:28] <n1> juggs, seriously think it's a good way of getting people thinking and could generate some positive feedback or other ideas.
[03:29:58] <cmn32480> n1 - mobile terminals, biggest company this side used to be Symbol/Motorola, in much of Europe the big dog is Datalogic (out of Italy)
[03:30:02] <juggs> Bytram, I know, you are right to ask. Hence why I am laying this into Eds because I know my idea of humour does not travel. I'm going for stupid and farcical with that story to place a peppercorn for the community to sprout ideas. It's not meant to be an announcement. It should not come across as serious.
[03:31:23] <Bytram> 'twas the vide that I was getting. glad I got it right. I've taken a first stab at it. am too knackered to do anything more. didn't really look at the mod suggestions, themselves, but did a bit of rewrite on the rest.
[03:31:35] <takyon> beep
[03:31:37] * Bytram would appreciate your taking a look at telling me what you think.
[03:31:47] <Bytram> juggs: https://soylentnews.org
[03:31:56] <Bytram> afk break
[03:32:11] <takyon> my first impression is not too great
[03:32:33] <takyon> really the biggest problem is that people are feeding the troll rather than modding it and moving on
[03:32:48] <juggs> jolly well? wtf is mary poppins about to appear?
[03:32:50] <takyon> also I've had to waste a lot of mod points on the troll rather than modding legit posts up
[03:33:00] <cmn32480> I ahve pushed the date to 5/18 just in case
[03:38:33] <takyon> here's a question, what to do with the tsarnaev submission?
[03:38:39] cmn32480 is now known as cmn32480|sleeping
[03:38:46] <takyon> push it out soon or not at all
[03:38:51] <Bytram> cmn32480|sleeping: thanks for pushing it out a little furhter
[03:38:58] <cmn32480|sleeping> no problem
[03:39:10] <n1> take care, cmn32480|sleeping
[03:39:14] * Bytram refreshes the que
[03:39:16] <cmn32480|sleeping> problem is that I can't keep my eyes open. I'm doing the head bob at my keyboard
[03:39:28] <n1> takyon, good question heh
[03:39:29] <juggs> Bytram, you get spanked for introducing "jolly well" and "phantasmagorical moderations have crossed your flights of facy" - it's like you've voiced me as an English Patient era Kristin Scott Thomas. I'll be wearing a nappy and appearing in Family Guy next.
[03:39:33] <cmn32480|sleeping> stay thirsty, my friends
[03:39:52] <n1> I would say no first then yes.
[03:39:58] <n1> so take it as a maybe.
[03:40:00] <n1> :/
[03:40:03] <Bytram> juggs: now THAT's the spirit!
[03:40:14] <takyon> it's already pretty late in the day to avoid "omg this happened yesterday". and it just seems like a pile of shit waiting to happen
[03:40:43] <takyon> so I'll let someone else handle it. but now you're aware it exists since it was submitted...
[03:40:45] <juggs> Bytram..
[03:40:52] <juggs> one
[03:40:54] <juggs> day
[03:40:56] <n1> it's not time sensitive news really
[03:40:57] <takyon> 27 minutes ago I guess
[03:42:08] <n1> i'd say it's a 'normal' story, it deserves to go up but has no real need to be pushed
[03:43:28] <takyon> I'm hands off of this one
[03:43:28] <Bytram> n1: I disagree, but only slightly. I think it IS time-sensitive. My *only* concern is that the submitter has been labeled a bit of a leftist in discussions and would prefer to have another submission that I could merge it with.
[03:43:38] <takyon> gewg is annoying me
[03:43:43] <Bytram> so as to provide a 'balanced' story
[03:44:27] <Bytram> I felt the same way for a while, but I've come to accept him/her as voicing only their own views, and it no longer really bothers me at all.
[03:44:43] <takyon> it's not that, it's the nitpicking bs
[03:44:52] <Bytram> nod nod
[03:45:16] <takyon> the subs themselves are fine, although they use sources I wouldn't touch like alternet and commondreams, and are usually too long
[03:45:21] <n1> i didn't look at it coming from gewg
[03:45:33] <takyon> I can't really complain about that much, I have a lot of long subs
[03:45:53] <Bytram> I could bash something else together real quick-like... brb
[03:46:07] <takyon> heh seems unethical
[03:46:24] <n1> really, i'd say leave it for now
[03:46:30] <takyon> posting a dupe sub just to merge it and eviscerate gewg's story
[03:46:30] <n1> and if someone else makes a dupe sub
[03:46:36] <n1> we have somethign to work with
[03:46:38] <n1> something*
[03:47:02] <n1> if Bytram wants to make that sub, then there's no problem there
[03:47:09] <takyon> in other news dev-m disabled user extensions out of fucking nowhere. so I got tampermonkey
[03:47:14] <Bytram> I'm writing as fast as I can
[03:47:37] <takyon> *dev-m Chrome
[03:48:44] * juggs wonders if he's been labelled as a leftist too
[03:49:40] <n1> if you have
[03:49:42] <n1> just post more
[03:49:59] <n1> and eventually someone will label you the opposite
[03:50:24] <takyon> I'm ready for labelling
[03:50:28] <takyon> GMO labelling!
[03:50:29] <n1> i felt vindicated after being labelled both
[03:50:32] <takyon> ayyyyy
[03:50:39] <n1> GMO labelling comes soon...
[03:50:47] <takyon> yeah there's a story about it today
[03:50:49] <takyon> might throw that in
[03:51:14] <takyon> a large food company voluntarily asked the FDA or someone to make a labelling standard
[03:53:24] <n1> i'm going to have to pass out now, should have gone to sleep a while ago but felt inspired to let ya'll know i'm still around although not that useful right now
[03:53:47] <Bytram> n1: I'm glad you stopped by -- you've been missed!
[03:54:43] <juggs> fist it the air in the land of hipocrisy, I think Rage Against The Machine had that covered in the 90s.
[03:55:21] <takyon> so I had another moderation proposal in my head yesterday
[03:55:26] <takyon> it basically goes like this
[03:55:32] <n1> Bytram, good to speak to you again. :)
[03:55:55] <n1> i intend to lurk around some here, and edit a story or two where i can
[03:55:57] <Bytram> like wise, be sure and take good care of yourself... you're worth it!
[03:56:03] <Bytram> great!
[03:56:06] <n1> and annoy with my ramblings :)
[03:56:24] <n1> but sadly going to be a while before i can get back to a routine for the site
[03:57:48] <takyon> we add Agree mod. Agree and Disagree get drawn from a different and much larger pool of mod points. say 10 a day or even 5 an hour. Every comment gets a second score that is basically equivalent to a reddit score. And you can hide comments below a certain threshold. This would be entirely separate from the classic mod score, and the default for all users would be to show comments as normal no matter what the "second score" is.
[03:59:20] <mrcoolbp> juggs ping
[03:59:22] * Bytram dons devil's advocate cap -- and therein starts the road to adding a moderation for $foo, and another for $bar, and one for $baz...
[03:59:51] <takyon> well Disagree is already a bit of an oddity
[03:59:56] <Bytram> I suppose if those were orthogonal, then it would actually be a good thing, but *beware* of the precedent it would set.
[04:00:01] <takyon> it could easily evolve into my proposal
[04:02:02] * mrcoolbp tries to catch up on current convo
[04:02:08] <takyon> the way it is now, you could have a post with several Disagree mods on it, but what good is that information? You can see how many times it was modded Disagree, but can't do anything with it
[04:02:41] <takyon> I consider Disagree the foot in the door to my proposal
[04:02:58] <juggs> mrcoolbp pong
[04:03:09] <mrcoolbp> hey buddy, interesting post ya got ther
[04:03:45] <juggs> lol
[04:04:00] <juggs> shame if anything happened to it
[04:04:03] <mrcoolbp> lol
[04:04:16] <mrcoolbp> juggs: I don't quite get the Arbiter of Sorrow bit
[04:04:26] <mrcoolbp> specifically:
[04:04:40] <mrcoolbp> gets to add term(s) to the comment filter list
[04:05:10] <takyon> banning terms is not going to go over well
[04:05:11] <mrcoolbp> otherwise I'd say run as is
[04:05:33] <mrcoolbp> takyon: yes but these measures are already in place. I agree with the tone of the article
[04:05:50] <mrcoolbp> "hey we tried an experiment, what should we do next?" etc.
[04:05:58] <takyon> well I'm going to add my proposal in then
[04:06:07] <takyon> although I'd like to see some opinions now if you have any
[04:06:13] <mrcoolbp> great, do it in the comments =)
[04:06:28] <mrcoolbp> I have some opinions
[04:07:07] <mrcoolbp> I specifically like this "SoylentVolcanoLair dwellers do not like unilaterally handing down bans, imposing blocks etc. — We believe that should be in the hands of the community to moderate itself."
[04:07:26] <mrcoolbp> but currently spam-mod is used incorrectly a lot
[04:08:43] <juggs> mrcoolbp, the story as a whole is meant to act as a kernel for thoughts on how as a community moderated site we deal with repeat BS. We don't want to wield ban hammers top down. So let's put the nuclear option in the community's hands. You want to press the red button? 25 karma.
[04:09:00] <mrcoolbp> yeah, we haven't had a meta post in a while, and this is a cheeky conversation-starter
[04:09:04] <mrcoolbp> I like it
[04:09:05] <takyon> my idea will win over yours juggs
[04:09:15] <mrcoolbp> takyon, let's hear it?
[04:09:59] <takyon> add Agree, add a score that is simply (1*agree)+(-1*disagree). allow users to moderate more posts agree and disagree per hour/day
[04:10:34] <takyon> then add an input box somewhere that allows posts under a certain score to be hidden. set it to -9999 to default
[04:10:44] <takyon> that's it
[04:11:05] <takyon> people will use agree/disagree more often if it doesn't eat into their 5 a day mod points
[04:11:09] <mrcoolbp> give them the options to filter things how they like?
[04:11:36] <takyon> take the "kill all feminists" type posts
[04:12:03] <takyon> given a near unlimited use of agree/disagree, that would quickly get 1-3 agrees, and probably 10+ disagrees
[04:12:04] <Bytram> okay, it's not pretty, but it's got a variety of links to different sources. Could certainly benefit from more details. Story submitted.
[04:12:08] <juggs> mrcoolbp, The Arbiter Of Sorrow list was just a way to show that the post content had been community moderated via nuclear mods. My intention is to give the community the banhammer to wield at will.
[04:12:14] <takyon> so you filter anything below -5, and you're good to go
[04:12:23] <Bytram> And now it's time for me to head to bed.
[04:12:32] <Bytram> g'night, all!
[04:12:37] <takyon> night
[04:13:44] <mrcoolbp> later bytram!
[04:14:20] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: hi! and, umm, bye!
[04:14:24] <mrcoolbp> = )
[04:14:28] <Bytram> team++
[04:14:28] <Bender> karma - team: 2
[04:14:30] <Bytram> team++
[04:14:31] <Bender> karma - team: 3
[04:14:32] <takyon> yay team
[04:16:00] <juggs> As I repeat, my story sub is just meant as a starter for conversation, I will not be upset if someone takes it out back and puts a bullet in it. But let's get a conversation going around this.
[04:16:12] <takyon> so the three big changes are: add Agree, allow a lot more Agree/Disagree use, and have a field somewhere holding your threshold, disabled or -99999 by default. Other than that Agree and Disagree will still be +0 on the post, you just get to do something based on the number of Agrees and Disagrees
[04:16:35] <mrcoolbp> juggs: should takyon throw his idea after yours or in the comments?
[04:17:23] <takyon> i can do it in the comments
[04:17:29] <takyon> but when is the story running
[04:18:01] <takyon> 13:29 on monday huh
[04:20:29] <mrcoolbp> usually a good time
[04:21:19] <juggs> mrcoolbp, I wasn't intending to have a discussion in #editorial. I put a farcical story to the main page for discussion to elicit thoughts that encompass the whole community not just IRC. I handed that over to the Eds to kill or finesse my attempt a humour. I am trying to throw open to the community how we deal with repetitive nuisance without bring in the banhammer... my story was meant as farce.
[04:22:53] <mrcoolbp> Okay that makes sense, but the idea itself has enough things that make sense about it, that I feel like people will discuss it as a valid possibility = )
[04:22:56] <takyon> this will even give me time to make a mockup of the Threshold bar with a new field on it
[04:24:53] <juggs> mrcoolbp, you went all serious
[04:25:10] <takyon> http://puu.sh
[04:25:29] <juggs> mrcoolbp, remember you can smile and laugh and be silly for no reason!
[04:25:37] <mrcoolbp> juggs: didn't mean too, just giving you feedback on how I'm interpreting it!
[04:25:46] <mrcoolbp> I love the playful tonw
[04:25:48] <mrcoolbp> tone
[04:27:47] <juggs> mrcoolbp, hence why I tossed my stupid story over to editorial to run or not. I have no idea if it is a good idea to run it, it was just a beer mat stupidity to get people talking about a solution to problem the SN community has right now.
[04:28:25] <takyon> no it's great
[04:28:38] <takyon> now I have soapbox to put my superior idea
[04:28:47] <mrcoolbp> juggs: I know it seems stupid but a disclaimer like: "here's a crazy example idea" might help
[04:28:59] <mrcoolbp> takyon: lol
[04:29:44] <juggs> mrcoolbp, my missive is already mangled, feel free to Ed whatever you like into it :)
[04:30:04] <mrcoolbp> fair 'nuff
[04:30:16] <mrcoolbp> juggs: can you explain the filter thing I was asking about?
[04:48:34] <juggs> mrcoolbp, the comment filter that denies posting a comment without sufficient topic or content or ALL CAPS. The stupid story would add to that list of denied things on a rolling basis. Sheesh, everyone is taking this seriously, all I wanted to do is start a conversation on how we give the community access to a soft-ban-hammer. My idea sucks, I know that - that wasn't the point - it was meant to serve as as a kernel for discussion to decide what i
[04:48:34] <juggs> s sensible.
[04:49:18] <mrcoolbp> I just wanted to understand your "sucky" idea = )
[04:51:20] <juggs> Put it out to the community to judge :)
[04:52:39] <juggs> We are a community site right?
[04:54:04] <takyon> yup
[04:56:03] <mrcoolbp> juggs: https://soylentnews.org
[04:59:25] <juggs> mrcoolbp, out of my hands, those are not my words but if you want to go live with that so be it.
[04:59:36] <mrcoolbp> = (
[05:00:09] <mrcoolbp> "feel free to Ed whatever you like into it :)"
[05:01:11] <juggs> Sure. Go ahead.
[05:01:17] * mrcoolbp changes it to "but the moderator gets to add term(s) to the comment filter list (i.e. the list of words that could trigger a filter error, disallowing them from being posted)."
[05:02:02] <mrcoolbp> I can use brakets if you like = )
[05:02:08] <mrcoolbp> brackets*
[05:03:24] <juggs> FFS - it was meant to be a farce of a story for the weekend. Just take it out an shoot it.
[05:06:54] <mrcoolbp> Did NCommander get to see it?
[05:07:11] <mrcoolbp> I know you mentioned his name and a few others that should "approve" it
[05:09:53] <takyon> facy -> fancy
[05:10:41] <mrcoolbp> I thought that was just a british-ism
[05:10:46] <mrcoolbp> juggs verify
[05:12:41] <juggs> flights of facy should be "flights of fancy" if we're running with this shit post.
[05:14:32] * juggs provides mrcoolbp with a retina scan. Lucky I went grave robbing last night and plucked an eyeball eh!
[05:14:43] <juggs> :D
[05:15:01] * mrcoolbp edits
[05:16:12] * juggs goes to bed - I sleep through anything
[05:24:51] <NCommander> The IPID ban is iffy to me
[12:43:44] * n1 yawn