#editorial | Logs for 2015-04-09

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[00:09:03] * NotSanguine finished the alien life story
[00:09:12] <takyon> I've updated the bystanders who press record story
[00:09:21] <NotSanguine> So, for the moment we're good until around 0900 UTC
[00:09:36] <takyon> the cameraman was named and interviewed by nbc nightly news
[00:10:53] <mrcoolbp> cool
[00:11:38] <mrcoolbp> takyon: we aren’t sure weather to run: https://soylentnews.org
[00:11:56] <NotSanguine> I just see a black screen with audio (no flash installed for me)
[00:13:13] <takyon> it's nbc, what do you expect
[00:14:01] <NotSanguine> HUff post has a transcript
[00:14:02] <NotSanguine> http://www.huffingtonpost.com
[00:14:03] <RobotHouse> ^ 03Witness Who Recorded Shooting Of Walter Scott Speaks Out: 'Police Had Control' (VIDEO)
[00:14:39] <NotSanguine> nO. Not a transcript. A story based on the interview
[00:15:30] <takyon> I swapped the URL and removed the autoplay text
[00:16:05] <mrcoolbp> oops, I fixed a tag and made the story green, this still needs a second-check: https://soylentnews.org
[00:16:12] <takyon> so is it really a secret that there are libertarian-leaning people in the tech industry
[00:16:31] <mrcoolbp> takyon: *shrug*
[00:16:34] <mrcoolbp> it’s a weird piece
[00:16:49] <takyon> ok more importantly the CNET piece looks like crap and just went live
[00:17:04] <takyon> oh I forgot about the more after the break feature
[00:17:05] <NotSanguine> That's not the issue, IMHO. The quotes from the National Journal piece are the most inflammatory in the article
[00:17:29] <takyon> why is [techradar] in brackets
[00:17:49] <mrcoolbp> cause it wasn’t cnet like the rest of the links
[00:17:59] <NotSanguine> There are a number of more 'moderate' sections, but do we want to mess with submitter's poltical leanings by including them?
[00:18:44] <NotSanguine> Because it's not on CNet and all the other links were. Some people configure their preferences so they don't see the domain name after links
[00:19:11] <mrcoolbp> takyon feel free to remove the “[techradar]”, also, lots of other apple watch review rolling in if you want to pad that:
[00:19:13] <NotSanguine> Beat me to it, eh mrcoolbp? :)
[00:19:42] <mrcoolbp> <- ninja master
[00:19:44] <mrcoolbp> http://www.forbes.com
[00:19:44] <RobotHouse> ^ 03Apple Watch Reviews, Tim Cook's Smartwatch Struggles To Tell The Time - Forbes
[00:20:18] <takyon> I cleaned cnet story up a bit, take a look
[00:20:22] <mrcoolbp> http://phys.org
[00:20:23] <RobotHouse> ^ 03Early Apple Watch reviews are mixed ( http://phys.org )
[00:20:57] <mrcoolbp> http://go.theregister.com
[00:20:58] <RobotHouse> ^ 03Screw YOU, Apple – Netflix teases world+dog with its own 'coming soon' SMARTWATCH • The Register ( http://www.theregister.co.uk )
[00:21:37] <mrcoolbp> takyon: did you un-paragraph it?
[00:21:47] <takyon> ummmmmnm no
[00:21:55] <mrcoolbp> oh, maybe NotSanguine did
[00:22:08] <takyon> I fixed some grammar and capitalization issues
[00:22:20] <NotSanguine> Yes. I did. I got yelled at by janrinok the other day for not doing so
[00:22:37] <mrcoolbp> hah, I may go a little heavy on the tags lol
[00:22:42] <takyon> remind me not to edit on antihistamines
[00:22:58] <NotSanguine> HIstamines are important for editing.
[00:23:08] <mrcoolbp> yeah sorry guys, I’m not editing at my best today
[00:23:19] <takyon> I tend to stick with paragraph tags because my soylent "browser extension" adds new lines around them, making it ez-pz to read
[00:23:48] <NotSanguine> janrinok was pretty adamant about using '
[00:23:52] <NotSanguine> grrr
[00:24:05] <NotSanguine> ... and instead of 
[00:24:11] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: I used tags, did it change them to tags!?!?
[00:24:22] * mrcoolbp never uses br tags in stories
[00:24:25] <takyon> I'm going to change Cnet -> CNET
[00:24:26] <NotSanguine> he said that doesn't display well on mobile devices
[00:24:34] <mrcoolbp> takyon: ACK that, go for it
[00:24:54] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: correct, but I had many more breaks in there, it’s like all one paragraph now
[00:24:59] * mrcoolbp previewed it a bunch
[00:25:04] <NotSanguine> I removed a bunch of tags from several stories. don't remember if it was yours
[00:25:20] <mrcoolbp> ah man, it ate my tags wtf?
[00:25:42] <mrcoolbp> https://soylentnews.org
[00:25:42] <RobotHouse> ^ 0304SN Submission by mrcoolbp: Cnet Update: Apple Watch, Skype Translator, and Google's GMeet
[00:25:51] <mrcoolbp> tons of br tags, I didn’t use any
[00:25:59] <takyon> ok CNET is done for
[00:26:04] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: slash is converting my tags to tags!
[00:26:16] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: I thought it was supposed to do the opposite...
[00:26:30] <mrcoolbp> ug
[00:26:32] <takyon> hey stop
[00:26:34] <takyon> full fucking stop
[00:26:37] <mrcoolbp> oh
[00:26:41] <takyon> what ever you linked oesn't really exist
[00:26:46] <mrcoolbp> wtf
[00:26:58] <takyon> it's the "original copy"
[00:27:09] <mrcoolbp> takyon: yeah I linked to the “submission”
[00:27:17] <takyon> ok good to know
[00:27:20] <mrcoolbp> it gives you the original submission
[00:27:31] <takyon> I'm honestly not sure how appears in stories without manually adding it
[00:27:45] <mrcoolbp> the only way I’ve been able to find it (without going to the submitter’s page) is to [Edit] and then find the link to “submission”
[00:28:17] <mrcoolbp> takyon: I thought we setup slash back in the day to convert tags to tags, it looks like it’s doing the opposite!!!??!11!!eleven!!
[00:28:28] <mrcoolbp> all my work wasted...
[00:29:03] <mrcoolbp> I need to remember to Select “HTML Formatted” when submitting maybe...
[00:29:14] <mrcoolbp> sigh
[00:29:24] <takyon> Idk whenever I submit a story I just hit enter and the result is paragraph tags. It all seems to work. I don't know how anybody is excreting 
[00:29:29] <NotSanguine> When I do submissions, I just type it and use hard returns to space it out. Do my submissions have a ton of s?
[00:29:49] <takyon> oh that explains it: I always use Plain Old Text
[00:29:55] <takyon> even with HTML tags mixed in
[00:30:03] <NotSanguine> Me too. Plain old text
[00:30:07] <takyon> apparently "Plain Old Text" really means "Plain Just Works"
[00:30:07] * mrcoolbp needs to play with the submissions process more
[00:30:24] <mrcoolbp> takyon, NotSanguine: oh well I gotta get going guys, email me if I don’t respond to pings
[00:30:27] <mrcoolbp> thanks for all the help
[00:30:34] <takyon> no problemo
[00:30:41] <takyon> ok onto the secret republican story
[00:30:48] <NotSanguine> Thank you for stepping up too, mrcoolbp
[00:30:57] <mrcoolbp> just do what I can.
[00:31:02] <mrcoolbp> = )
[00:31:03] <takyon> I'm sure ethanol fueled would love this to run, and we could easily put it in at midnight or whenever
[00:32:22] <takyon> If I were to do the least amount of work possible to run this, I would...
[00:32:33] <NotSanguine> takyon: It just comes across as a complete hit piece on the "liberal establishment" in the Bay Area. There are statistics in the article which clearly show that Rs are a fairly small minority
[00:32:44] <takyon> a.) add a sentence after the blockquote stating the main conclusion of the article (I haven't read it yet)
[00:33:00] <takyon> and b.) add a link to the old brendan eich saga
[00:33:30] <NotSanguine> The main conclusion is that those nasty Dems are stifling the heroic Rs
[00:33:49] <mrcoolbp> sometimes acknowledging the bias in something absolves us of the “guilt” in including it = )
[00:34:26] <NotSanguine> takyon: I'm not saying we shouldn't push it. I just didn't want to be the guy to decide one way or another.
[00:34:29] <NotSanguine> :)
[00:34:29] <takyon> I think if we really want to juice this story up
[00:34:47] <takyon> we should link the news about that guy who wanted to split california into several states
[00:34:51] <takyon> that would be amusing
[00:35:13] <NotSanguine> Therein lies the rub. IF we "juice up" the story as you suggest, we risk getting complaints that we're messing with people's political beliefs.
[00:35:34] <NotSanguine> If it was a tech or science story, making the coverage more balanced is a no brainer
[00:35:37] <takyon> >For some right-leaning techies, the GOP brand itself is a liability. The startup CEO stressed that there are "a number of ideas that conservatives have that I totally disagree with," such as opposition to same-sex marriage, and he abhors the thought of being lumped in with Republicans who deny climate change or evolution.
[00:35:49] <takyon> (it's called libertarians and log cabin republicans)
[00:35:52] <NotSanguine> But if we cut the legs out from a political story, we're censoring the submitter, no?
[00:36:20] <mrcoolbp> Not Sanguine: there’s a way to handle adding our own editorial and allowing his to stay
[00:36:25] <NotSanguine> Right. But the submitter *chose* not to include that. To be inflammatory, I'm sure.
[00:37:07] <takyon> I don't think this story is impossible to run. It's pointing out legitimate views that exist. It could use another article that talks statistics
[00:37:19] <NotSanguine> mrcoolbp: that works for me. But I'll watch how you guys handle it and learn the proper technique
[00:37:24] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: you could start with “$SUBMITTER writes in with a link on x” then have an intro paragraph. Then have a “$submitter writes:”
[00:37:46] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: I don’t have time, leaving in 10 minutes = /
[00:38:01] <takyon> it already has Ethanol-Fueled writes:
[00:38:07] <takyon> it's clear this is his baby as is
[00:38:58] <NotSanguine> takyon: I think what's at issue is that if we run such an obviously biased story, we will be seen as endorsing those views
[00:40:08] <NotSanguine> mrcoolbp made some suggestions regarding how to handle this. I need to think about it a bit. This isn't breaking news, so I think I'll step back and think about how to edit this without drawing the ire of the users.
[00:40:21] <takyon> well I've read it and while the article is biting typical of a National Journal piece the thesis or our summary doesn't seem correct
[00:40:26] <takyon> *incorrect
[00:41:04] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: keep in mind I’m not trying to sway, not sure how I feel about it, just trying to give you options = )
[00:41:13] <takyon> I found a potential supplement: http://www.politico.com
[00:41:14] <RobotHouse> ^ 03Rand Paul sees gold in Silicon Valley - Anna Palmer and Tony Romm - POLITICO
[00:41:17] * mrcoolbp gets ready to head out
[00:41:37] <NotSanguine> have a good night, mrcoolbp
[00:42:12] <takyon> http://www.nbcnews.com
[00:42:13] <RobotHouse> ^ 03Net Neutrality Stance Presents Silicon Valley Challenge For Rand Paul - NBC News
[00:43:08] <takyon> here's an article from an even more biased conservative source that could contradict the national journal piece: http://www.breitbart.com
[00:43:09] <RobotHouse> ^ 03Silicon Valley Lobbying Has Grown 2,000% and Most Money Goes To Democrats (In 2 Graphs) - Breitbart
[00:44:02] <NotSanguine> this is old, but http://www.theamericanconservative.com
[00:44:05] <RobotHouse> ^ 03The Party of Silicon Valley? | The American Conservative
[00:44:45] <NotSanguine> this is more current
[00:44:47] <NotSanguine> http://www.huffingtonpost.com
[00:44:48] <RobotHouse> ^ 03Republicans Could Be Gambling Silicon Valley's Support Over Net Neutrality
[00:45:00] <takyon> I updated the time to put it at the top of the list at 9:00 UTC
[00:45:07] <takyon> but not displayed
[00:45:17] <takyon> give it a think over
[00:45:22] <NotSanguine> I'm going to cogitate.
[00:46:01] <NotSanguine> I need to step away for a bit. Do you have time to 2nd edit some of the stories and maybe edit some in the submissions queue?
[00:46:08] <takyon> what should I do next, massage the supermodel article?
[00:46:22] <NotSanguine> Nah. Just massage the supermodel :)
[00:48:03] <NotSanguine> Yes. The french model and Mars articles need 2nd edits. I'm going to make the INtel article later so that someone (other than you) has time to 2nd edit
[00:48:22] <takyon> thanks
[00:48:32] <takyon> I make them good in advance ;)
[00:49:27] <NotSanguine> It was pretty easy to edit. thanks!
[00:50:15] <NotSanguine> But I need to step away for a bit. I've been at this for quite a while and need a break.
[00:50:25] <takyon> god damn it, my soylent extension is not prettifying this textarea
[00:50:35] NotSanguine is now known as NotSanguine|ZenMomen
[00:50:46] <NotSanguine|ZenMomen> How do you mean?
[00:51:11] <takyon> the reason is SSL. it doesn't match URLs with https: !!!
[00:51:47] <NotSanguine|ZenMomen> I'm still not understanding. But that happens to me a lot.
[00:52:33] <takyon> I made a Chrome user extension that takes the Intro Copy and stuff and automatically adds new lines
[00:52:40] <takyon> now that I fixed it the thing looks like this automatically
[00:53:04] <takyon> http://puu.sh
[00:53:55] <NotSanguine|ZenMomen> so it's easier for you to read. I gotcha
[00:54:32] <NotSanguine|ZenMomen> I just look at the preview, then fix it up and then preview again,
[00:57:01] <takyon> this is a lot faster. finding your place in a wall of text and paragraph tags is tough. It also automatically converts line breaks to paragraph tags
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[01:11:12] <takyon> ok, I finished the model story
[01:13:33] <takyon> added "Could Be" to the aliens headline
[01:13:56] <takyon> a cover-your-ass clause, if you will
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[02:56:05] <takyon> "Reconnaissance" spelling fixed
[03:09:50] <takyon> did we do any stories about DEA spying yet
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[08:52:01] <wantkitteh> I assume folks are aware of the issues on dev with opening the Stories page?
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[21:42:02] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: ping
[21:42:09] <NotSanguine> yes sir?
[21:42:16] <mrcoolbp> howdy, how are ya
[21:42:25] <NotSanguine> I'm doing all right. And you?
[21:42:31] <mrcoolbp> freakin’ tired
[21:42:44] <mrcoolbp> how’s your evening looking?
[21:42:55] <NotSanguine> Fairly quiet
[21:43:12] * mrcoolbp glances at the queue
[21:43:13] <mrcoolbp> should we go on an editing binge again?
[21:44:02] <NotSanguine> The DARPA and Vegas articles look iike they have potential
[21:44:31] * mrcoolbp thinks the submitter is bonkers who sent in the “Complex Organic Molecules Found Around Young Star” story
[21:44:48] <mrcoolbp> ; )
[21:44:51] <mrcoolbp> just kidding
[21:45:00] <mrcoolbp> I’ll take a look at that one for now
[21:45:03] <NotSanguine> Yeah, he's a real jerk. We should ban him
[21:46:13] <mrcoolbp> nah, too much fun to watch
[21:46:17] * mrcoolbp grabs popcorn
[21:46:24] <NotSanguine> Cool. I'll take a look a those other two presently
[21:46:36] <mrcoolbp> nice
[21:46:37] * NotSanguine thinks popcorn is the devil's spawn
[21:46:51] <NotSanguine> which just means more for you. :)
[21:51:25] <mrcoolbp> heh
[21:51:40] <mrcoolbp> looks like you got -ed also ; p
[21:52:14] <NotSanguine> life is rough sometimes :)
[21:52:49] <mrcoolbp> do you rember if you tried to select html-formatting?
[21:54:09] <NotSanguine> I always use plain old text. Maybe I messed it up?
[21:55:14] <mrcoolbp> if one includes tags, I *think* one should use “html-formatted”
[21:55:48] <NotSanguine> I usually just paste/type into the submission box. Sorry about that.
[21:56:09] <mrcoolbp> nah, I did the same to you yesterday, I’m trying to save ourselves the trouble
[21:56:37] <mrcoolbp> if you are just pasting in text with no html, you did it right
[21:59:11] <paulej72> mrcoolbp: saving a submission defaults to truing p tags to br tags. I need to rewite the filter that does this as it is a pita
[21:59:42] <paulej72> once in the admin pages, you can do p tags again
[21:59:51] <mrcoolbp> oh, I thought we wrapped that up a while ago, sorry for the incessent pingining and pining yesterday paulej72
[22:00:14] * mrcoolbp has been using find/replace
[22:00:18] <paulej72> not a problem as I ignored you :P
[22:00:21] <mrcoolbp> lol
[22:00:58] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: there’s your answer: don’t wasted your time with tags in submission process, they get filtered out anyway. Best to use “plain text” I guess.
[22:01:06] <paulej72> really I was busy at work and away from my computer fot the afternoon. when I got back home I felt like reading rahter than ircing
[22:01:15] <mrcoolbp> not a problem
[22:01:31] <mrcoolbp> I was under the impression we had made slash our bitch in that dept.
[22:01:51] <paulej72> not yet, its on the todo list :)
[22:15:41] <mrcoolbp> what isn’t?
[22:23:39] <paulej72> making slash our bitch
[22:29:12] * mrcoolbp adds
[22:29:33] <mrcoolbp> brb, shower
[22:29:42] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: ^
[22:29:42] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: ^
[22:29:50] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: got two in there
[22:29:59] <mrcoolbp> oops, double-post = )
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[22:37:04] <NotSanguine> uh oh
[22:37:32] <NotSanguine> Sorry. I missed that. What happened?
[22:47:25] <mrcoolbp> back, nah nuthing buddy.
[22:53:29] <takyon> writing Aurora 180 PFLOPS supercomputer story
[22:55:34] * mrcoolbp is editing Adams playing with Floyd article
[22:55:40] <mrcoolbp> kinda weekend fare though ^
[22:55:55] <mrcoolbp> but I love floyd so it’s cool to me!
[22:57:29] <mrcoolbp> from the hitchhiker's-guide-to-pink-floyd dept.
[23:11:17] * mrcoolbp “saves” ^
[23:11:44] <mrcoolbp> takyon: you still working on the Aurora sub?
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[23:17:38] * mrcoolbp scared him off
[23:17:41] <mrcoolbp> good riddance!
[23:27:00] <NotSanguine> mrcoolbp: In the pepper spray story, shouldn't it be (at the end) "The cost quoted is 600,000 Rupees (US$9,600) per drone."?
[23:27:21] <NotSanguine> so folks know it's that much per drone and not for the whole fleet?
[23:27:40] <mrcoolbp> I would think so, lemme check source again
[23:28:05] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: aye. Please add.
[23:32:35] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: on the DARPA 100-year story, “push to create software that can continue to be useful and relevant “ , I’m going to remove “relevant” as I think it’s misleading the intention of the project
[23:32:56] <mrcoolbp> not sure how to re-word
[23:33:11] <mrcoolbp> of if necessary at all
[23:35:05] <NotSanguine> mrcoolbp: Better now? Both stories that is
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[23:35:50] <mrcoolbp> looks good to me, I’ll “green” the DARPA piece
[23:36:11] <takyon> that took a while
[23:36:16] <takyon> and my webs cut out
[23:36:24] <mrcoolbp> I noticed = )
[23:36:30] <NotSanguine> mrcoobp: Thank you sir
[23:36:38] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: thank you
[23:37:03] <mrcoolbp> takyon: you still working on the Aurora piece?
[23:50:00] <mrcoolbp> paulej72 ^
[23:51:26] <takyon> no
[23:52:50] <mrcoolbp> oh I see it now = )
[23:54:26] <takyon> I've seen some FLOPS man
[23:54:42] * takyon shoots coolant
[23:55:26] <takyon> I just realized I didn't use the word "exascale" once. and that's probably a good thing
[23:55:38] <mrcoolbp> good for you = )
[23:56:09] <chromas> [from the waiting-to-exascale dept]
[23:56:36] <mrcoolbp> hahaha
[23:57:05] <mrcoolbp> CowboyNeal has been working on the interview questions for over a month....
[23:57:06] <takyon> you got me
[23:57:20] * mrcoolbp does not wish to pester him further
[23:58:05] <takyon> he sends it back to you in epub format
[23:58:08] <chromas> Do a poll about original content we'd like to see; have CowboyNeal as first option
[23:58:15] <mrcoolbp> heh
[23:58:33] <mrcoolbp> chromas will be here all week folks, tip your servers.
[23:58:51] <chromas> try the neal
[23:59:13] <mrcoolbp> on a roll (get it?)