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[03:20:02] <takyon> which is a better dept. for the soylent story
[03:20:13] <takyon> "post-foodism" or "get-ready-to-rumble"
[03:24:58] <Bytram> takyon: from the 'Soylent News' dept.
[03:24:59] <Bytram> =)
[03:27:09] <takyon> 2meta4me
[03:27:17] <takyon> shit all 3 of them are good though
[03:28:48] <takyon> we already have that joke in the summary so back to my 2
[03:29:04] <Bytram> from the "Indy Gestion" dept
[03:30:05] <takyon> woe-unto-early-adopters dept
[03:36:49] <takyon> indie-gestion it is
[03:57:15] <Bytram> =
[03:57:20] <Bytram> :O
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[17:45:40] * mrcoolbp is tring to keep queue from running out
[17:47:27] <mrcoolbp> Subsientient, CoolHand, you guys around?
[17:48:09] * mrcoolbp spelled Subsentient wrong
[17:51:37] <mrcoolbp> if you guys could throw a few stories in the queue, we are basically out.
[17:51:50] <mrcoolbp> I have to afk, bbl
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[20:35:32] <NotSanguine> Editors: ping. Any reason I shouldn't run the "Obama Says Climate Change Is Harming Americans’ Health" story?
[20:36:55] <NotSanguine> mrcoolbp, Coolhand, subsentient? Anyone
[20:46:42] <NotSanguine> I'm going to assume that means "no, there is no reason you shouldn't run this story."
[21:34:14] <NotSanguine> Are you around mrcoolbp?
[21:38:18] <NotSanguine> The only (IMHO) halfway decent stories in the submission queue were submitted by me. Perhaps someone could look at possible running some of them.
[21:42:47] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: I’m back
[21:42:55] <mrcoolbp> sorry
[21:42:59] <mrcoolbp> let me catch up here
[21:46:38] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: quick readthrough on “Obama Says Climate Change...” article is good
[21:49:17] <NotSanguine> thanks
[21:49:45] <mrcoolbp> not sure about the silicon valled republicans article either
[21:50:30] <NotSanguine> mrcoolbp: The "The Secret Republicans of Silicon Valley" story is pretty rabidly partisan, it even excludes moderating text from TFA. Not sure how you'd want to proceed.
[21:51:22] <mrcoolbp> let’s hold on that, I’ll give a quick check to the other story
[21:51:26] <NotSanguine> Yeah. I thought about making it a bit less rabid, but I've gotten complaints (mostly from _gewg) about changing submissions
[21:52:25] <mrcoolbp> well, it’s our job to refine, but we shouldn’t put words in the mouths of others. it’s a tough line to toe.
[21:53:04] <mrcoolbp> so you’ll get complaints like that. I’m not saying we should ignore them, but no matter how we do it, we’ll likely get them. It’s best to learn what we can from them and move on.
[21:53:14] * mrcoolbp checks The Courage of Bystanders Who Press 'Record'
[21:53:22] <NotSanguine> agreed. The issue here is that I'd need to reorganize (and add to) the quotes from TFA pretty significantly. Not sure if I'm comfortable with that
[21:53:55] <NotSanguine> If it was a science or tech story. I'd be less concerned.
[21:54:08] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: yeah, I think breaking chron. order on quotes is okay if you intersparse original text
[21:54:14] <mrcoolbp> certainly not all in one blockquote
[21:55:14] <NotSanguine> That's not what I meant. I was thinking that some of the more 'moderate' sections of TFA should be included. Otherwise, it's just a hit piece on SV Democrats
[21:55:33] <mrcoolbp> let me finish the “press ‘record”” story
[22:02:10] <mrcoolbp> okay, I’m gonna “green” the “Press ‘record’” story
[22:03:18] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: since the republicans is non-display, let’s see if we can get an opinion from CooHand, Azrael, or Subsentient on that in the mean time while we look at the Submisions queue
[22:03:32] <mrcoolbp> (multi-tasking)
[22:04:06] <NotSanguine> That's my other issue. Most of the submissions are mine
[22:04:18] <NotSanguine> Working on another one now
[22:04:18] <mrcoolbp> right, let’s look at the 3 that aren’t
[22:05:41] <NotSanguine> The opensource bit is garbage. I looked at it the other day. Broken links except those that make unsubstantiated attacks on certain folks
[22:06:20] <mrcoolbp> I rejected the systemd story earlier, and posted the poll btw
[22:06:36] * mrcoolbp looks again at the opensource sub
[22:07:04] <mrcoolbp> It’s AC, it’s horribly written, and there are broken links
[22:07:22] <mrcoolbp> we could complete rewrite it, or I can make some subs and we can post eachoter’s subs
[22:07:34] <mrcoolbp> er
[22:07:46] <NotSanguine> The Gates/JObs TFA is fully quoted in TFS. Also Not sure how much people care what Billy Boy thinks about anything.
[22:07:50] <mrcoolbp> those are mutually exclusive, just two different options to go on next
[22:08:12] <mrcoolbp> That’s the only one I haven’t looked at yet, sec
[22:08:40] <NotSanguine> I'm in the middle of a submission now. I'll finish it up and come back. If you submit, I'll happily edit.
[22:08:44] <mrcoolbp> “diff between [him -> he] and steve jobs
[22:09:13] <NotSanguine> Perhaps we need some kind of incentive for submissions? Ten submissions a month gets you a month subscription or something like that?
[22:09:22] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: we should dump these stories if we aren’t going to run them though. How do you feel about the “scoop” behind the opensource piece?
[22:09:33] <NotSanguine> Make that "ten *accepted* submissions"
[22:09:39] <mrcoolbp> NotSangiune: that’s not a bad idea
[22:09:57] <mrcoolbp> I think it’s a particularly slow week
[22:10:10] <mrcoolbp> also janrinok is out for the next 2 days or so
[22:12:27] <NotSanguine> The first link is reasonable http://esr.ibiblio.org
[22:12:32] <RobotHouse> ^ 03Condemning Censorship, Even of Werewolves
[22:13:35] <mrcoolbp> we might want to just do a quick re-write if we think the topic is worth running
[22:14:12] <NotSanguine> But both links that aren't broken are from 2008 and 2009. I think this is just an inflammatory bit to get the MRAs' panties in a bunch
[22:14:54] <mrcoolbp> vote to reject then
[22:14:59] <NotSanguine> If there was something new or it could be tied to something going on in the recent past, maybe. I say pass
[22:15:15] <mrcoolbp> okay, go ahead and “delete” it then
[22:16:29] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine ^
[22:16:38] <NotSanguine> Done.
[22:17:09] <NotSanguine> The Gates/Jobs piece is pretty weak. I vote against it.
[22:17:10] <mrcoolbp> I see what you mean about the Jobs/Gates story, not much to it
[22:17:14] <mrcoolbp> heh
[22:17:16] <mrcoolbp> ninjaed
[22:17:43] <NotSanguine> The CIA torture songs bit might be good, though
[22:17:56] <mrcoolbp> okay, I’ll reject Jobs/Gates now
[22:18:04] * mrcoolbp hits “delete
[22:18:10] <NotSanguine> Personally, I think it's dumb but I can see that many folks would be interested
[22:18:17] <mrcoolbp> meh
[22:18:30] <mrcoolbp> That story is weekend fare
[22:18:34] <mrcoolbp> maybe?
[22:18:38] <NotSanguine> That makes my vote, "don't care'
[22:18:38] <mrcoolbp> though it
[22:18:50] <mrcoolbp> though it’s wednesday....
[22:19:26] <NotSanguine> So we're down to NotSanguine's submissions. God I hate editing those. :)
[22:20:10] <mrcoolbp> The torture songs piece is less interesting once you go read an insightful comment on the reddit post basically saying ‘those songs were chosen not because they are annoying, only because they will keep you awake longer due to parts of them being surprising and that they are different from eachother’
[22:20:40] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: I’ll have to make some submissions I guess
[22:23:12] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: but making those “rejections” is an important job that we are hesitant to do, hopefully someone will see the small queue and help us out while we work
[22:23:25] * mrcoolbp is looking at an iwatch story
[22:36:09] * mrcoolbp is almost done with a sub
[22:45:48] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: sub sent
[22:47:21] * NotSanguine checking out mrcoolbp's submission
[22:55:12] * NotSanguine thinks the CNET update is a little light, but is saving it now anyway.
[23:07:29] <mrcoolbp> the udate is light, the reviews are decent though, and they had nothing on GMeet, so I found the techradar peice.
[23:07:35] <mrcoolbp> update*
[23:07:50] * mrcoolbp is working on another sub already, nearly done
[23:16:19] * NotSanguine wonders if folks just don't like his submissions.
[23:26:54] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: ‘nother sub in
[23:27:22] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: doubt it, I think it’s just you and I right now. Let me take a look at your subs now that there’s something to intersparse them with
[23:27:30] <mrcoolbp> didn’t want it to be NotSanguineNews = )
[23:29:43] * mrcoolbp looks at MRO story
[23:42:11] <mrcoolbp> takyon is submitting from the ether
[23:42:18] <mrcoolbp> didn’t even notice that one
[23:42:41] <NotSanguine> I snatched it up as soon as I saw it.
[23:42:41] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: I gotta duck out soon = (
[23:42:46] <mrcoolbp> nice snage
[23:42:49] <mrcoolbp> snag*
[23:43:43] <NotSanguine> thanks. Well. I've done what I can do for the moment. I'll look at your NASA story, but hopefully some other folks will step up with submissions & edits.
[23:44:00] <mrcoolbp> aye, I’m going to finish up the MRO story
[23:48:52] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: going to delete the trailing end of the quote
[23:49:00] <mrcoolbp> “We have calculated that the ice in the glaciers is equivalent to over 150 billion cubic meters of ice – that much ice could cover the entire surface of Mars with 1.1 meters of ice. The ice at the mid-latitudes is therefore an important part of Mars' water reservoir," explains Nanna Bjørnholt Karlsson”
[23:49:45] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: That info appears farther up, and for conciseness and visual clarity, also I try not to use the “...” I just don’t think it looks “clean”
[23:49:54] <mrcoolbp> good sub otherwise
[23:53:28] <mrcoolbp> for me, especially when quoting, I try to include only the most important/relevent data
[23:53:30] <NotSanguine> Thanks for the constructive criticism. I'll keep that in mind. As for the ellipsis, I like it because it tells everyone tht the quotes are not contiguous
[23:53:48] <mrcoolbp> I get that, I just wish it “looked cooler”
[23:53:49] <mrcoolbp> heh
[23:54:23] <mrcoolbp> I’m NOT saying “don’t use it”, but as an excercise, try to avoid it the next few times
[23:54:27] <NotSanguine> There's a fine line, if someone knows little about a subject, some explanatory text (especially quoted from TFA) can be very useful
[23:54:45] <mrcoolbp> agreed, but they could read TFA (stop laughing)
[23:54:51] <Subsentient> mrcoolbp: Sorry I haven't been doing anything recently, I've been dead exhausted for a week.
[23:55:24] <NotSanguine> mrcoolbp: TFA? Based on some of the comments I've read, we're lucky folks read TFS!
[23:56:11] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: s’okay, we are 2-manning the queue, I think we managed to get it full until early tomorrow morning, but janrinok is out for the next few days, so even a little help would go a long way if you are able
[23:56:23] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: well put
[23:57:10] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: for example, NotSanguine and I are posting *eachother’s stories*, so it wouldn’t really help us to second-check ourselves....
[23:57:18] <Subsentient> hah
[23:57:20] <Subsentient> kk
[23:57:20] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: check the red stories if you have time
[23:57:25] <mrcoolbp> thanks
[23:57:28] <Subsentient> will do'
[23:58:07] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: sweet, also note that a few have gone out already, should focus on those that haven’t
[23:58:40] * NotSanguine is looking at the alien life story
[23:58:43] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: also we aren’t sure on the “Republicans of Silicon Valley”, let us know if you think we should run it
[23:59:00] <Subsentient> k