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[00:40:54] <juggs> ping takyon
[01:08:37] <takyon> sup
[01:10:22] <juggs> ah, hi takyon. I need to set up your vhost and editor grouping here on irc. To do that I need you to register your irc nick with nickserv with this command: /ns register <password> <email-address>
[01:11:04] <takyon> juggs juggs juggs
[01:11:15] <juggs> takyon?
[01:11:25] <takyon> yeah I didn't scroll down
[01:11:35] <juggs> ha :D
[01:13:05] <takyon> done
[01:13:24] <juggs> k, gimme a mo
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[01:14:24] <juggs> there ya go :) Welcome on board
[01:15:03] <takyon> thanks
[01:15:28] <juggs> You should see a channel invite also. Not sure how that looks on the web interface
[01:16:34] <takyon> but I'm already in teh channel
[01:16:57] <juggs> an invite for a different channel :P
[01:17:23] <juggs> takyon /j #chillax
[01:18:51] <takyon> one sec
[01:19:16] <juggs> lol, you've already joined :)
[01:37:42] * mrcoolbp arrives home
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[02:02:47] <cmn32480> notsanguine ping
[02:03:24] <cmn32480> coolhand takyon mrcoolbp ping
[02:03:38] <mrcoolbp> I'm here, sup cmn32480?
[02:03:43] <cmn32480> heymrcoolbp
[02:03:46] <mrcoolbp> hey
[02:03:52] <NotSanguine> yes sir?
[02:03:54] <takyon> yuh
[02:04:02] <mrcoolbp> he called in the wolves
[02:04:06] <NotSanguine> What's up, cmn32480?
[02:04:10] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: what can we do for you?
[02:04:12] <cmn32480> if a submission doens't have a user name associated, but the IP hash gives the username
[02:04:24] <cmn32480> do we use the username, or leave it as AC
[02:04:27] <mrcoolbp> Oh I thought we came across this the othernight
[02:04:37] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: I would definately go AC
[02:04:37] <juggs> Anon Coward I'd have thought, no?
[02:04:54] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: want to give them the option to be anon
[02:04:56] <cmn32480> you probably did, but I haven't exactly been on a roll lately
[02:04:59] <takyon> AC
[02:05:04] <cmn32480> I was thinking AC
[02:05:08] <NotSanguine> Is this the Georgia article?
[02:05:09] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: vote?
[02:05:13] <cmn32480> yes
[02:05:15] <mrcoolbp> oh he's thinknig
[02:05:22] <cmn32480> didn't you see the smoke?
[02:05:34] <takyon> http://soylentnews.org
[02:05:34] <i_heart_beta> ^✓ 03SoylentNews Submissions
[02:05:52] <takyon> when you submit the name box says "Leave Blank to be Anonymous"
[02:05:53] <NotSanguine> I vote for AC
[02:06:01] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: AC it is
[02:06:14] <takyon> so if you're not logged in and not putting your name it's clearly a blank right
[02:06:23] <mrcoolbp> yes
[02:06:36] <mrcoolbp> slash doesn't look up your UID based on your IPID
[02:06:49] <mrcoolbp> may have been a mistake, but that's their fault = )
[02:06:54] <cmn32480> only nosey editors do that?
[02:06:59] <mrcoolbp> we should respect their option to be anon
[02:07:09] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: xactly
[02:07:11] <cmn32480> that is what I was thinking. Just wanted to be sure
[02:07:12] <mrcoolbp> = )
[02:07:19] <NotSanguine> When it comes up blank like that (rather than as Anonymous Coward) , I always take a closer look at the submission as it's more likely to be some sort of hose job
[02:07:29] <cmn32480> thank you all for your input, please return to your regularly scheduled Friday night
[02:07:56] <cmn32480> I was thinking the same, and was starting to look for corroboration
[02:08:04] <mrcoolbp> ALL of his submissions were as AC
[02:08:08] <NotSanguine> Since you all are listening, I'm going to be unavailable starting in a few hours until late sunday afternoon
[02:08:10] <mrcoolbp> https://soylentnews.org
[02:08:11] <i_heart_beta> ^ 03- SoylentNews User
[02:08:15] <mrcoolbp> scroll to the bottom
[02:08:46] <NotSanguine> I see it.
[02:09:00] <cmn32480> interesting
[02:09:04] <NotSanguine> I'll log back in to IRC once I'm back home
[02:09:06] <cmn32480> I never scrolled that far before
[02:09:12] <mrcoolbp> = )
[02:09:25] <cmn32480> we chalk this up to "ongoing training
[02:09:31] <mrcoolbp> slash is a freaking beast, but it's pretty cool
[02:09:32] <NotSanguine> Is that the SN Editor's equivalent of Third Base, mrcoolbp?
[02:09:44] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: sure why not
[02:09:55] <NotSanguine> :)
[02:10:52] <cmn32480> thanks fellas. I'm gonna spend my Friday night in a hotel editing as long as the internet connection holds up
[02:11:16] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: here for a few hours if ya need anyting
[02:11:22] <mrcoolbp> just ping me really loudly = )
[02:11:33] <mrcoolbp> might go relax for a bit, 'nother long workday
[02:11:39] <mrcoolbp> not yet though
[02:11:45] * mrcoolbp is catching up from the day
[02:11:50] <cmn32480> i hear you
[02:11:57] <mrcoolbp> takyon: no new stories?
[02:12:06] * mrcoolbp was going to rip them apart = )
[02:12:09] <cmn32480> went from one job the last 3 days to another one 4 hours away tomrow
[02:12:18] <mrcoolbp> aye
[02:12:36] <takyon> eh
[02:12:52] <cmn32480> If i work fast, I might get home tomorrow night avoiding the wrath of my wife for missing Easter morning
[02:13:42] <takyon> I have a chelsea manning story that could rustle some jimmies
[02:14:23] <cmn32480> she's not that attractive... and frankly, comes with a lot of baggage
[02:15:25] <juggs> takyon, is that the one about them starting to tweet from jail via some PR firm?
[02:15:37] <takyon> yeah
[02:17:11] <takyon> but first I want to see if I can fix up the VT100 CSS
[02:18:16] <mrcoolbp> takyon: coolness
[02:18:46] <mrcoolbp> takyon: after you get your head under the hood of the themes, would you be willing to write up an article explaining how to create them?
[02:18:58] <mrcoolbp> I was thinking of having a user-them contest
[02:19:44] <juggs> wouldn't that go along the lines of "know some css stuff, edit da css"
[02:20:20] <mrcoolbp> juggs: prolly
[02:20:29] * mrcoolbp hasn't looked at it
[02:20:35] <mrcoolbp> juggs: is it just a css file?
[02:21:02] <mrcoolbp> er css file and image (for the "logo")
[02:21:44] <mrcoolbp> juggs: nm, asking TMB now
[02:22:42] <juggs> well looking the homepage now I see admin.css , base.css , chillax.css , comments.css , print.css according to firebug. I presume the theme is all in chillax.css ~shurg~ TMB will know for sure
[02:23:23] <takyon> vt100.css doesn't include the status1, status2 (and status3) classes that are applied to table rows in the "your recent submissions" list
[02:23:28] <takyon> it was probably forgotten
[02:23:46] <takyon> additionally I want to put a green border-left on blockquotes
[02:24:39] <juggs> takyon, vt100 was TheMightyBuzzard's creation - I see he's alive in #chillax at the moment
[02:24:47] * mrcoolbp made the logo
[02:25:00] <juggs> mrcoolbp++
[02:25:00] <Bender> karma - mrcoolbp: 7
[02:26:15] <takyon> I'm getting some changes ready
[02:38:04] <cmn32480> anybody wanna check out the GA electric ar story?
[02:38:08] <cmn32480> *car
[02:40:17] <cmn32480> hey takyon or mrcoolbp, anybody wanna check the electric car story?
[02:40:29] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: I'll take a look
[02:40:38] <cmn32480> than ks much
[02:41:52] <mrcoolbp> sec
[02:41:55] <mrcoolbp> np
[02:44:29] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: reword: "how the current set up of the tax credits works"
[02:44:41] <mrcoolbp> suggestions?
[02:45:05] <mrcoolbp> setup -> "system" ?
[02:45:39] <cmn32480> "The Economist has a breakdown of the current system of tax credits and the expected economic impact...
[02:45:58] <cmn32480> soudns better
[02:46:48] <cmn32480> any other suggestions?
[02:46:49] <takyon> http://pastebin.com
[02:46:50] <i_heart_beta> ^ 03[CSS] css - Pastebin.com
[02:47:00] <takyon> that's my proposed change to the VT100 stylesheet
[02:47:20] <takyon> problem 1. I added padding to the margin that wasn't there before
[02:47:44] <takyon> problem 2. the orange mustard color of the pending submissions is still a bit hard to read. but the 3 colors are better than what's there now
[02:47:56] <takyon> *padding to the blockquote
[02:48:21] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: lemme look again, sec
[02:49:30] <takyon> blockquote screenshot: http://puu.sh
[02:50:43] <takyon> submissions screenshot: http://puu.sh
[02:51:04] <mrcoolbp> takyon: are you messing with me? = 0
[02:51:09] <mrcoolbp> okay looking
[02:51:10] <takyon> I'll just mail all of this to dev then
[02:51:40] <mrcoolbp> takyon: color on "Submissions" is off
[02:51:51] <mrcoolbp> takyon: change color of pending
[02:51:56] <mrcoolbp> maybe amber?
[02:52:15] <mrcoolbp> also text on "rejected" is wrong
[02:52:26] <mrcoolbp> let's try black or white
[02:52:41] <mrcoolbp> grenn on red not working
[02:52:43] <mrcoolbp> green
[02:52:48] <takyon> white might be better than amber
[02:52:54] <mrcoolbp> k
[02:53:00] <mrcoolbp> fix text as well
[02:53:14] <mrcoolbp> on both "rejected" and "pending"
[02:53:18] <takyon> what's wrong with red
[02:53:20] <takyon> too harsh?
[02:53:35] <mrcoolbp> RED is fine, but the green text is hard to read
[02:53:43] <mrcoolbp> (on red)
[02:54:54] <takyon> http://puu.sh
[02:55:34] <mrcoolbp> takyon, not bad, though pending and rejected still look similar no?
[02:55:44] <mrcoolbp> oh wait
[02:56:01] <mrcoolbp> looks like an illusion
[02:56:11] <takyon> I'll give you a minute
[02:56:27] <mrcoolbp> takyon, can you make the green text on white a little darker green (text color darker)
[02:56:32] <mrcoolbp> i think that's pending
[02:57:04] <mrcoolbp> the red on black is more readable no, can ACK that, tho it's not "pretty" it's just admin stuff, so I'm not worried about it
[02:57:04] <takyon> I haven't changed the text colors at all, but that's what needs to be done
[02:57:14] <mrcoolbp> takyon, only on white version
[02:57:19] <mrcoolbp> the others are readable
[02:57:21] <takyon> right
[02:58:07] <mrcoolbp> why are some of the titles a lighter green (the text on accepted stories)
[02:59:18] <mrcoolbp> takyon: also let's get a look at the "Stories" list, I think the "non-display" stories were black BG with dark text, would suggest changing that to grey BG if possible
[02:59:23] <mrcoolbp> or white
[03:01:04] <takyon> visited and stuf
[03:01:07] <mrcoolbp> takyon: did you want me to make get you an email?
[03:01:14] <takyon> yes how
[03:01:17] * mrcoolbp is guessing takyon@soylentnews.org?
[03:01:28] <takyon> yes please
[03:01:32] <mrcoolbp> takyon: I'll msg the email god
[03:02:21] <takyon> http://puu.sh
[03:02:37] <mrcoolbp> better!
[03:04:36] <takyon> did you have any feelings on the blockquote border
[03:05:12] <mrcoolbp> I like what we did with the blockquotes for the other themes, but that is more conventional, and seems appro for this theme, so YES
[03:06:40] <takyon> ok emailed to dev
[03:07:34] <mrcoolbp> takyon: cool, tmb will likely find that and work it into a theme of dev in the next week or so
[03:07:54] <mrcoolbp> takyon: then we'll roll it into the next site update if there's approval of your changes
[03:09:07] <cmn32480> mrcoolbp ping
[03:09:35] <mrcoolbp> here
[03:09:36] <cmn32480> I'm workign on the USC screwed up media campaign article
[03:09:46] <cmn32480> and this is one where the picture is the story
[03:09:51] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: sorry I was sidetracked
[03:09:58] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: let's step back
[03:10:02] <cmn32480> ok
[03:10:07] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: did we finish the first story yet?
[03:10:19] <cmn32480> i thought so
[03:10:42] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: reading that last sentence makes sense easily now
[03:10:47] * mrcoolbp can make it "green
[03:10:56] <cmn32480> I made the changes suggested, ;cuz they were a significant imrpovement
[03:11:05] <mrcoolbp> aye
[03:11:16] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: okay, you were saying?
[03:11:26] <cmn32480> I'm looking at the USC article
[03:11:43] <cmn32480> this is one where the picture of the poster from the media campaign IS the story
[03:11:53] <cmn32480> look at the first cited scientific american article
[03:12:02] <mrcoolbp> k
[03:12:16] <cmn32480> the poster about the donation has the brain backwards
[03:12:28] <cmn32480> for a donation to a neurological institute
[03:12:51] <cmn32480> it made me lol, but the pic is the story
[03:12:58] <cmn32480> I'm wondering about the img tag
[03:13:08] <cmn32480> and if this is an appropriate use of it
[03:13:27] * mrcoolbp starts by saying it's best to start at the TOP of the submissions queue
[03:13:32] * mrcoolbp looks
[03:13:44] <cmn32480> I'm short, I have to read from the bottom
[03:14:05] * mrcoolbp whacks cmn32480 with a 5 1/2 floppy disk
[03:14:30] * cmn32480 pulls out his laser disc
[03:14:45] * mrcoolbp runs
[03:14:57] <cmn32480> FRISBEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
[03:15:20] <cmn32480> though I deserved the whack
[03:15:21] <mrcoolbp> omg the fucking brain is backwards....
[03:15:25] * juggs ducks
[03:15:32] <cmn32480> I KNOW!!!!
[03:15:39] <cmn32480> that is what makes it hilarious
[03:15:53] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: I don't think a [sic] would cover that one...
[03:15:56] <cmn32480> I almost wanna put in an IMG tag and make the whole story above the fold be:
[03:16:03] <cmn32480> "What's wrong wiht this picture??"
[03:16:36] <mrcoolbp> rofl
[03:17:09] <juggs> Are we going with images in stories as a BAU thing now?
[03:17:16] <cmn32480> BAU?
[03:17:31] <juggs> business as usual
[03:17:39] <cmn32480> i don't think so
[03:17:48] <cmn32480> but in this instance, it IS the story
[03:18:05] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: hmm, what to do, what to do....
[03:18:13] <cmn32480> rofl
[03:18:13] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: we could just not mention it
[03:18:25] <cmn32480> the picture?
[03:18:28] <juggs> my apologies for the TLA, I have mind worms due to spending too long in large corporate environments. Neither are helpful.
[03:18:36] <cmn32480> and see if the community reads the articles?
[03:18:40] <mrcoolbp> yeah
[03:18:50] <mrcoolbp> give a months sub to anyone that points it out = )
[03:19:19] <cmn32480> I don't ahve the authority to do that
[03:19:39] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: Here are the options:
[03:19:44] <mrcoolbp> don't mention it
[03:19:45] <mrcoolbp> could use an [Editor's note] though we try to avoid that at all costs
[03:19:53] <mrcoolbp> could leave it in the comments
[03:20:05] <mrcoolbp> (as an editor it's easy to get "FIRST!!!11!!11!"
[03:20:16] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: not sure what else
[03:20:24] <mrcoolbp> I'm open to suggestions on this one
[03:20:31] * mrcoolbp looks at a pitcure of a brain
[03:20:49] * cmn32480 giggles
[03:22:59] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: okay look at this picture, and remove the cerebellum: https://www.google.com
[03:22:59] <mrcoolbp> he_brain_CRUK_188.svg%252F2000px-Diagram_showing_some_of_the_main_areas_of_the_brain_CRUK_188.svg.png%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fen.wikipedia.org%252Fwiki%252FHuman_brain%3B2000%3B1109
[03:23:00] <i_heart_beta> ^ 03brain - Google Search
[03:23:05] <mrcoolbp> sorry for the long link
[03:23:45] <cmn32480> https://www.google.com
[03:23:46] <i_heart_beta> ^ 03brain - Google Search
[03:24:08] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: I think they have the orientation correct, but without the cerebellum it looks wrong (plus I think they rotated it slightly)
[03:25:19] <cmn32480> mrcoolbp... I am pretty sure it is backwards
[03:25:37] <cmn32480> the cerebellum is in the front
[03:26:28] <cmn32480> it looks backards
[03:26:30] <mrcoolbp> shit, is it?
[03:26:59] <cmn32480> based on the basic google image search it looks liek it
[03:27:36] <mrcoolbp> "Frontal lobe" is in the front....
[03:27:44] <cmn32480> what I can't find it the original ad on any of the paper's websites
[03:28:57] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: you'd better be right about this if you are going to call out Scientific American....
[03:29:17] <cmn32480> I'm agreeing wiht Scientific American
[03:29:21] <mrcoolbp> looks like for some reason their graphic doesn't have the cerebellum, and the orientation IS IN FACT correct
[03:29:45] <mrcoolbp> to me anyways, but I'm not even close to being an authority on an issue like this
[03:29:50] <cmn32480> me neither
[03:30:03] <cmn32480> I wonder if we take it to the community?
[03:30:24] <cmn32480> have them evaluate it and see if somebody knows
[03:30:37] <cmn32480> and that is the kicker on the article?
[03:30:40] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: I'd do that in the comments
[03:30:59] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: our role as editors is to stay " out of the way" as much as possible
[03:31:18] <mrcoolbp> we are still users (unlike the other site) though and we jump into the comments and join the discussion
[03:31:36] <mrcoolbp> more often then them anyway
[03:33:19] <mrcoolbp> but as an editor, my goal is to present information that users present in the most accurate and clean presentation possible, sometimes expanding on what they give us
[03:33:23] <mrcoolbp> sometimes we re-write
[03:33:25] <cmn32480> maybe
[03:33:36] <mrcoolbp> but I prefer NOT to "guide the discussion"
[03:33:55] <cmn32480> agreed
[03:34:01] <cmn32480> I was looking at the pictures again
[03:34:19] <mrcoolbp> if a CLEAR mistake is present, we may want to point that out, but how we do that is important
[03:34:26] <cmn32480> "according to Scientific American
[03:34:42] <cmn32480> USC Screwed up
[03:34:45] <mrcoolbp> heh
[03:35:00] * mrcoolbp didn't read the whole article and might be missing something
[03:35:13] <mrcoolbp> lemme look again
[03:35:19] <cmn32480> the last thign in the article is that SA notes that tehy did the same thign abotu 2 years ago
[03:36:24] <mrcoolbp> the thing that gets me is that diagonal lobe across the center/bottom
[03:36:51] <mrcoolbp> looks like the pink area in this image: http://upload.wikimedia.org
[03:37:07] <mrcoolbp> we just gotta figure out how these are supposed to be oriented!
[03:37:37] <mrcoolbp> I'm pretty fucking sure the forebrain is in the front though....
[03:38:36] * cmn32480 thinks he shoudl have started at the top of the queue
[03:38:38] <mrcoolbp> if you remove the hindbrain
[03:39:10] <mrcoolbp> the "pink area" is oriented correctly (assuming the forebrain is supposed to be in the front)
[03:39:19] <cmn32480> one other issue... I can't find ANY other corroborating links to the SA article
[03:39:32] <mrcoolbp> this tells me that USC is RIGHT, and Scientific american is WRONG, which is actually noteworthy
[03:40:27] <mrcoolbp> if I'm right, it's pretty sad though, as I'm in NO WAY qualified to judge this, and I've already started drinking
[03:40:34] <mrcoolbp> but my oberservations have merit
[03:40:41] <mrcoolbp> let's poll #soylent
[03:40:54] <cmn32480> ok
[03:41:05] <cmn32480> that'll be scientific
[03:41:39] <mrcoolbp> heh
[03:41:47] <mrcoolbp> no but more minds will help
[03:41:51] <mrcoolbp> I need you to help explain
[03:41:54] <mrcoolbp> I'll chime in
[03:41:59] <mrcoolbp> jump in in #soylent
[03:43:10] <mrcoolbp> nevermind, I think I covered it
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[03:55:49] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: okay so I'm thinking we run the story
[03:55:54] <cmn32480> ok
[03:56:06] <cmn32480> and phrase it so the community can aruge if the images are correct?
[03:56:12] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: aye
[03:56:13] <takyon> mrcoolbp: fyi the email I sent to dev had the latest CSS and I sent another one with 4 allegedly correct screenshots
[03:56:27] <mrcoolbp> takyon: good
[03:57:00] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: work it up and ping me
[03:57:06] <cmn32480> will do.
[03:57:07] <mrcoolbp> nice
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[04:06:07] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: do we need any photoshopping to illustrate my point?
[04:06:11] * mrcoolbp can do that
[04:06:38] * cmn32480 can't do that
[04:06:54] * cmn32480 can gimp along, but not well
[04:07:25] * mrcoolbp does that
[04:11:14] <cmn32480> mrcoolbp ping
[04:11:30] <cmn32480> check it, sir
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[04:11:31] <mrcoolbp> here
[04:11:33] <mrcoolbp> k
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[04:12:25] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: "highly likely that they are no one consulted them"
[04:12:31] <mrcoolbp> = )
[04:12:57] <mrcoolbp> also no caps on my name
[04:13:12] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: ^
[04:13:39] <cmn32480> it is highly likely that they were not consulted before putting out
[04:13:42] <cmn32480> so adjusted
[04:13:51] <cmn32480> mine nor takyon either
[04:14:44] <cmn32480> any other thoughts?
[04:15:46] <takyon> who's putting out
[04:16:09] <cmn32480> depends, are you showering with NotSanguine?
[04:16:27] <cmn32480> or did you mean the article?
[04:16:35] <takyon> the shower is a place for cleaning
[04:17:04] <cmn32480> sorry mrcoolbp, I made the changes, and hit preview, not update
[04:17:39] <cmn32480> agreed
[04:18:08] <cmn32480> I can't 2nd my own article., has to be another editor
[04:18:39] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: yeah it's def backwards
[04:18:44] * mrcoolbp is realizing now
[04:19:01] * cmn32480 whacks mrcoolbp with a 5 1/2 floppy
[04:19:16] <mrcoolbp> still think cerebellum is mostly removed but he wasn't doing the horizontal inverse correctly
[04:19:31] <cmn32480> ok
[04:19:36] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: okay what now
[04:19:47] <mrcoolbp> remove editors note completely
[04:19:57] <cmn32480> smh
[04:19:57] * mrcoolbp has wasted much of your time he realizes
[04:20:19] <takyon> oh yeah about editors' notes
[04:20:44] * cmn32480 wishes he had a beer
[04:20:51] <takyon> there should be a field on saved stories that allows comments that aren't published, like with the submissions list. except a full textarea
[04:20:56] <cmn32480> what about editors notes takyon?
[04:21:12] <mrcoolbp> takyon: I fully agree
[04:21:27] <cmn32480> you mean stuff like in the left hadn column in the submission queue?
[04:21:31] <takyon> and to support the feature, the note from the submissions list should be copied over into the textarea
[04:21:32] <mrcoolbp> takyon: editors notes to eachother need to be greatly expanded
[04:21:40] <takyon> yes cmn32480
[04:21:46] <mrcoolbp> takyon: we have a text-area about 10 chars long = (
[04:21:50] <cmn32480> that'd be swell
[04:22:01] <cmn32480> crack the whip mrcoolbp
[04:22:01] <mrcoolbp> takyon: it's actually longer than that BUT you can only view a few chars at a time
[04:22:14] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: yeah I will
[04:22:15] <takyon> well there isn't any such thing on the saved story
[04:22:25] <mrcoolbp> takyon: even better point
[04:22:35] <mrcoolbp> takyon: actually I think it's still there but not sure
[04:22:48] <mrcoolbp> takyon: could put it in HTML comments though !
[04:23:00] <cmn32480> mrcoolbp takyon followed us home... can we keep him as an editor?
[04:23:10] <mrcoolbp> I guesss....
[04:23:18] <cmn32480> YAY!!!!!!
[04:23:29] * cmn32480 dopes the happy dance
[04:23:42] * takyon dopes the dope
[04:23:48] <mrcoolbp> s'okay
[04:24:25] <takyon> html comment would be pretty funny. but then we run into the other problem, which is that the textarea is condensed and could use newlines
[04:24:38] <cmn32480> ok gents. I gotta get up at 6 to make sure I make this job on time and hopefully catch a flight tomorrow afternoon
[04:25:01] <takyon> I plan to do something for myself locally before anything is done for the group. like replacing all instances of </p><p> with </p>\n\n<p>
[04:25:08] <cmn32480> I will see you all in the near future, hopefully
[04:25:13] <mrcoolbp> GO TO BED, cmn32480: I can't do much to the story at this late hour either, set for Sunday and undisplay?
[04:25:18] <cmn32480> we generally use <br><br?
[04:25:19] <takyon> night
[04:25:31] <cmn32480> mrcoolbp - agreed
[04:25:34] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: no, <p> tags all the way
[04:25:35] <takyon> no this is for the textarea that you look at
[04:25:53] <takyon> you have to use a newline character in the textarea value for whitespace to show up
[04:25:56] <mrcoolbp> only if you need to use them, then you can use br tags, but p tags are better
[04:27:08] <mrcoolbp> takyon: we'll need to work with paulej72 to come up with a good solution to the "leaving notes on stories" problem
[04:27:54] <mrcoolbp> takyon: I'll make a feature request on the bug tracker for now, but we should try to engage him in IRC when we can
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[04:28:11] <takyon> ok
[04:28:31] <takyon> I'll try to do a greasemonkey script for making the textarea readable
[04:31:03] <juggs> mrcoolbp, some kind of editor only scratchpad attached to each sub for notes sounds like a good idea. Timestamp entries etc. Or is this just adding another frond to the leviathan of code that is slash?
[04:31:25] <mrcoolbp> takyon: https://github.com
[04:31:27] <i_heart_beta> ^ 03Editors need a way to leave notes to each other on Stories · Issue #437 · SoylentNews/slashcode · GitHub
[04:31:51] <mrcoolbp> juggs: leave a note there with that comment ^
[04:32:02] <mrcoolbp> juggs: sounds like the right direction
[04:32:35] * mrcoolbp goes to submit another feature request about the current feature on submissions list needing "expanding"
[04:32:45] <takyon> Edit it to say that the submissions note field should be copied to the story note field when someone is preparing to save the story the first time
[04:32:51] <juggs> better than sounding like One Direction I guess :D
[04:35:56] <mrcoolbp> https://github.com
[04:35:56] <i_heart_beta> ^ 03Notes to other editors on "Submissions List" needs expansion · Issue #438 · SoylentNews/slashcode · GitHub
[04:36:36] <takyon> ^ edit first one mrcoolbp
[04:36:54] <mrcoolbp> k
[04:38:37] <mrcoolbp> juggs: want me to add your note too?
[04:39:12] <takyon> thanks
[04:39:14] <takyon> good night
[04:39:19] <mrcoolbp> g'night takyon!
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[04:40:27] <juggs> mrcoolbp, if you like, not sure it adds much bu have at it if you think it worthy.
[04:41:19] <mrcoolbp> i do
[04:41:22] <mrcoolbp> will do
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[04:46:25] <mrcoolbp> juggs: https://github.com
[04:46:25] <i_heart_beta> ^* 03Editors need a way to leave notes to each other on Stories · Issue #437 · SoylentNews/slashcode · GitHub
[04:54:17] <juggs> Looks good mrcoolbp. The age old problem of delayed comms. IRC nails it for chat with a bouncer, Usenet and BBS were similar but centralised. A per story scratchpad for editors doesn't sound impossible, hell what is impossible beyond the desire to "make it so"?
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[04:55:40] <mrcoolbp> juggs: it's highly appropriate in this situation
[04:55:57] <mrcoolbp> juggs: the team-effort of editors would be much more effective
[04:56:08] <mrcoolbp> this is something I've been thinking about for a while
[04:56:17] <mrcoolbp> you guys helped me understand how it could be so thanks
[04:59:55] <juggs> yeh, some kind of revision history with a shared scratchpad to leave notes during the editing process would be ideal. It's not impossible, but I'm sure it's a lot of work to go from here to there so to speak.
[05:00:30] <chromasctl> wiki
[05:01:46] <mrcoolbp> juggs: that's a fair point, but I'm convinced we could make something better than we have not in the submissions list, AND ANYTHOING
[05:02:06] <mrcoolbp> ...ANYTHING would be better than what we have in the Stories list (nothing)
[05:08:38] <juggs> mrcoolbp, agreed, don't ask for Venus on a stick with lap dancers when the Moon on a stick will do. Or maybe start with Venus on a stick with lap dancers and expect to be negotiated down to Moon on a stick. Still a win when all you actually needed was cloud on stick.
[05:09:13] <mrcoolbp> juggs: well-put?
[05:10:24] <juggs> da fuq am I on about, am I actually making any sense at all. I think a lie down is in my near future, that was just garbage. I'll be selling "inspirational" posters next.
[05:11:33] <mrcoolbp> yeah, agreed, too much sense-making.
[05:11:38] * mrcoolbp orders juggs to lie down
[05:18:25] * juggs disobeys - I'd never have gone far in the military
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[07:10:34] * mrcoolbp Note to editors: *** Based on his recent experience mrcoolbp is working with "NC" on a "Note to other editors" within posted stories, and (later) expanding the "note to other editors" box in the submisssion queue. These notese will (hopefully) be preserved FROM the submsisions over to the actual story, at least, that's the goal. ***
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[11:42:05] <janrinok> hi wantkitteh
[11:45:32] <janrinok> wantkitteh: hi?
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[14:11:20] <janrinok> CoolHand: ping?
[14:12:16] <takyon> if you use Google Chrome, you can use this user script to add newlines and stuff to intro copy editing: http://puu.sh
[14:13:12] <janrinok> takyon: looks nice but I can't test it, I am a FF/IceWeasel man
[14:14:18] <takyon> it's probably going to work on greasemonkey or whatever firefox/opera/etc. use, but I haven't tested it so I don't know
[14:15:39] <takyon> janirok: results: http://puu.sh
[14:16:29] <takyon> or janrinok
[14:16:49] <chromas> ja<tab>
[14:17:13] <janrinok> that looks very nice, and it replaces <b><br> with </p><p> too - I like it very much
[14:18:08] <takyon> it also kills curly quotes and ellipses, which can be turned off easily
[14:21:00] <takyon> at the very least this will make my editing easier because when I stare at that default lump of text and paragraph tags my mind glazes over. and previewing deletes any newlines added
[14:21:16] <takyon> I also emailed it to dev
[14:23:52] <janrinok> I'll install it when I have a minute
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[15:17:02] <takyon> http://soylentnews.org
[15:17:26] <takyon> Teradata Believes Bill Gates is Wrong About AI
[15:17:48] <takyon> and a source article is needed for the bill gates warning on AI
[15:23:40] <takyon> done
[15:28:01] <wantkitteh> quick question: if I fix typos in a quotation block from an article, is that ed-note worthy?
[15:28:46] <janrinok> takyon: any reason why your stories are queued for tomorrow rather than today?
[15:29:01] <mrcoolbp> wantkitteh: depends on the context
[15:29:12] <mrcoolbp> wantkitteh: let's take a gander, what are you looking at?
[15:30:19] <wantkitteh> sub on dev site, Dubai building world’s biggest mall
[15:30:29] <mrcoolbp> okay, I'll look
[15:30:30] <mrcoolbp> wantkitteh: BTW we discorage use of [Ed. Notes] in any case that's it's not necessary. Also, changing quoted material is a general "no no" as well, but there are exceptions to both conventions
[15:31:25] <mrcoolbp> wantkitteh: okay so what are you looking to change (and why if it's not obvi)
[15:31:55] <wantkitteh> very minor corrections: “Steet” was mispelled on the original site, should have been “Street” and ‘retail streets network’ appears to need a “a” in front of it
[15:32:28] <mrcoolbp> "a" could be inserted thusly: [a] 'retail streets...
[15:34:11] <mrcoolbp> hmm, on the "Steet" there are a few ways we can handle that one
[15:34:46] <wantkitteh> isn’t there an editorial conventional for an acronym or something you can put in square brackets indicating a typographical error in the original text? it’s slipped my mind for a sec
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[15:35:15] <mrcoolbp> wantkitteh: [sic]
[15:35:19] <wantkitteh> that’s the one
[15:35:37] <mrcoolbp> wantkitteh: though I tend to want to use that when the "mistake" is relevent
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[15:36:33] <wantkitteh> it’s a misquotation of a landmark place name. opinion?
[15:36:57] <mrcoolbp> wantkitteh: "Several usage guides recommend that a bracketed sic be used primarily as an aid to the reader, and not as an indicator of disagreement with the source."
[15:37:21] <janrinok> takyon: are you happy for your Trackerless Torrents story to go?
[15:37:33] <mrcoolbp> wantkitteh: we could also replace "Steet" with [Street]
[15:37:56] <wantkitteh> ok
[15:38:07] <mrcoolbp> wantkitteh: what do you think would be best?
[15:38:31] <wantkitteh> I think the bracketed correction improves the readability best
[15:38:36] <mrcoolbp> wantkitteh: 3 option is to delete that part of the quote, and reword as part of the summar, not sure that would be best in this case
[15:38:50] <mrcoolbp> wantkitteh: go for it
[15:39:44] <takyon> janrinok: yeah I just merged two adjacent blockquotes just now
[15:40:11] <janrinok> ah, ok, I've seconded it and moved its time forward
[15:40:34] <mrcoolbp> wantkitteh: BTW we often see large blockquotes in submissions, it can often be useful to par-down which sections we quote, and sometimes add new quotes from source to enhance the summary
[15:40:49] <takyon> so how about that USC brain story
[15:40:52] <mrcoolbp> heh
[15:41:06] <mrcoolbp> takyon: I have no desire to touch that one after screwing up last night
[15:41:14] * mrcoolbp runs away screaming
[15:41:14] <janrinok> takyon I'm happy with it but isn't that a cmn story?
[15:41:32] <janrinok> I've moved it forward too
[15:41:42] <takyon> all of us own all mistakes
[15:41:47] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: go ahead and run that if you are happy with it
[15:42:21] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: do you want to keep the Ed Comment in that or has the question now been resolved?
[15:42:26] <mrcoolbp> NO
[15:42:34] <mrcoolbp> delete the comment
[15:42:37] <janrinok> k
[15:42:38] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: lemme look
[15:42:43] <takyon> fyi I made a couple emergency grammar edits to the Amazon Dash story
[15:43:06] <janrinok> np - that's what you are here for :)
[15:43:37] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: yeah just remove note completelly
[15:43:52] <mrcoolbp> damn, time sneaking up on me
[15:43:57] * mrcoolbp has to get some work done
[15:44:04] <mrcoolbp> ping me if ya need me
[15:44:11] * takyon was about to try and steal mrcoolbp's time
[15:44:21] <mrcoolbp> takyon: guick thing?
[15:44:28] <mrcoolbp> quick*
[15:44:33] <takyon> just look at dev email later
[15:45:38] <mrcoolbp> takyon: I don't get the dev email
[15:45:40] * mrcoolbp is not a dev
[15:45:46] <mrcoolbp> like at all
[15:45:54] * mrcoolbp knows html
[15:46:06] * mrcoolbp knows kung fu (not really)
[15:46:23] <takyon> yeah I'll just send it to you. and it's noncritical
[15:46:45] <mrcoolbp> sure
[15:46:51] <mrcoolbp> me @ sn.prg
[15:46:54] <mrcoolbp> org*
[15:47:12] <janrinok> wantkitteh: ping
[15:47:53] <mrcoolbp> takyon: rcvd, thx
[15:48:03] <janrinok> I must go
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[15:49:45] <wantkitteh> ok, cool
[15:50:16] <wantkitteh> mrcoolbp: you’re still editing the dubai mall story on dev, I take it you’re planning on dupeing it?
[15:50:22] <wantkitteh> *not, evne xD
[15:50:32] <mrcoolbp> wantkitteh: nah, I'm out of it
[15:50:38] <wantkitteh> cool, thx
[15:50:45] <mrcoolbp> wantkitteh: prolly just cache, was looking to help you = )
[15:51:07] <wantkitteh> I suspected as much, just checking ;)
[15:52:11] <takyon> I'll probably run the Uber burglar story by tomorrow
[15:52:25] <takyon> it's a feel good story for Easter
[15:54:37] <wantkitteh> afk for a while: need to get some fresh air
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[16:34:06] <juggs> how's it looking?
[17:01:49] <mrcoolbp> not bad
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[17:33:23] <janrinok> wantkitteh: ping
[17:33:31] <wantkitteh> hi
[17:33:51] <janrinok> omn
[17:33:53] <janrinok> pm
[18:10:41] <mrcoolbp> be back tomorrow
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