#editorial | Logs for 2015-03-28
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[21:19:48] <cmn32480> set a quiet period before the move 2 or 4 hours (?) so that the move can be accomplished with no changes to the data
[21:18:39] <paulej72> lots of dirctories and files that need to be copied individually.
[21:18:02] <paulej72> my biggest issue is going to be shutting down things here and moving just the current logs and dbs for irc to the new digs. want ot keep the latest data when we move.
[21:16:31] <paulej72> I got the ircs stuff moved, but i have to setup the web proxies for some of the tools now
[21:16:28] <cmn32480> if there si anythgin that I can do to help, please let me know
[21:15:45] <paulej72> yep
[21:13:13] <cmn32480> the IRC server move is part of the consolidation for cost control?
[21:12:37] <paulej72> sure sure
[21:11:50] <cmn32480> ok. no rush in getting me access to it. I'm still learnign quite a bit in this littel corner of the world
[21:11:23] <paulej72> probably more things happen over irc than anything else
[21:10:43] <paulej72> no really mostly a permanent record of disscussions we need like incorporation docs and such
[21:10:31] <cmn32480> stuff that is way over my head
[21:10:18] <cmn32480> got it
[21:10:10] <paulej72> theoretical dissucuion about the state of the universer
[21:09:49] <cmn32480> what's it generally used for?
[21:09:35] <paulej72> we have not used the staff slash server much lateley so you are not missing much
[21:09:25] <cmn32480> I can do what I need to editing at this point, so when you get to it
[21:09:08] <cmn32480> no worries.
[21:09:00] <paulej72> I am working on the irc server move so I really don't want to get ldap and kerberos setup atm
[21:08:13] <cmn32480> ok
[21:07:52] <paulej72> I will in the near future need to set you up with ssh access to the staff server so you can set your kerberos password. That is needed to access the staff slash server.
[21:06:52] <cmn32480> NotSanguine and I jsut had a rather lengthy conversation on an autism article that I was editing
[21:06:29] <cmn32480> there is a learning curve.
[21:06:21] <paulej72> how goes the edititing
[21:06:13] <paulej72> no, yes, maybe
[21:05:54] <cmn32480> paulej72 what if I'm out? Does that count as being home?
[21:05:14] <cmn32480> no
[21:00:05] <paulej72> anyone home?
[20:46:56] NotSanguine is now known as NotSanguine_out
[20:46:45] <cmn32480> take it easy. Thatnks for the insight.
[20:46:33] <NotSanguine> Anyway, I need to go and prepare for company. check you later cmn32480
[20:46:03] <NotSanguine> Perhaps someone should suggest that to your nephews and nieces, eh?
[20:45:37] <cmn32480> hehehe
[20:45:37] <NotSanguine> That was way fun
[20:45:19] <NotSanguine> When my nephews and nieces were much younger, I used to have sneak up on their uncles and rub their heads.
[20:44:07] <NotSanguine> Cute.
[20:44:01] <cmn32480> she has a very different sense of humor the you and I
[20:43:29] <cmn32480> I told her "Honey, when you have a great tool, you put a shed over it"
[20:43:28] <NotSanguine> Because she disagrees, or because she doesn't want to encourage other women?
[20:43:12] <cmn32480> she also want me to get rid of my gut
[20:43:02] <cmn32480> My wife would shake her head and refuse to let me leave the house while wearing it
[20:41:54] <NotSanguine> YOu might want to get a T-shirt with that. Or would your wife disapprove?
[20:41:17] <NotSanguine> My three step-brothers are all bald. As one of my sisters in-law put it: "It's not a bald spot, it's a solar panel for a sex machine."
[20:41:07] <cmn32480> now I shave it to avoid the hassle
[20:40:55] <cmn32480> it got progressively worse with each passing child
[20:40:29] <cmn32480> I've been balding since I was about 21. Started falling out right about when I met my wife.
[20:40:22] <NotSanguine> So. In your face, bald guy!
[20:39:59] <NotSanguine> I'm not bald. In fact, I made sure to grow my hair extra long for my 25 year HS reunion as an -- "in your face, bald guys!"
[20:39:40] <cmn32480> Let me see if I can work that in. Probably "after the break"
[20:38:50] <NotSanguine> I went and took a closer look at healthline. At first I thoght it was an amateurish medical blogger site, but it appears that it's a bit better than that. Not as persuasive as SciAm though.
[20:37:21] <NotSanguine> Looks better. Why not include the healthline link too. and maybe a link to the Italian paper on PLOS1?
[20:37:03] <cmn32480> that's better
[20:36:35] <cmn32480> let me try that again
[20:36:31] <cmn32480> somethign didn't take...
[20:36:27] <cmn32480> grrrrr
[20:34:40] <cmn32480> and my 4 year old is sitting in my lap
[20:34:10] <cmn32480> and if it makes you feel any better, I'm 35, bald, married, 3 kids, and a ball buster as well
[20:33:33] <cmn32480> take a ppek now, please
[20:30:23] <cmn32480> updating now
[20:30:19] <cmn32480> agreed
[20:30:12] <NotSanguine> But Scientific American isn't a pseudo-science blog
[20:29:50] <cmn32480> surprisingly, so did the healthline article.
[20:28:58] <NotSanguine> It refernces the ASU paper
[20:28:39] <TheMightyJuggs> ^ 03Gut Bacteria May Play a Role in Autism - Scientific American
[20:28:38] <NotSanguine> http://www.scientificamerican.com
[20:28:36] <NotSanguine> try this one
[20:28:01] <cmn32480> it is the original link, but you are correct, I should put in somethign from a place that is a bit more well known.
[20:27:57] <NotSanguine> You're going to see a bunch of complaints about that.
[20:27:30] <NotSanguine> Healthline.com is *not* a reliable source
[20:27:23] <cmn32480> around here... BIG SURPRISE
[20:27:00] <cmn32480> no. linked direct to the abstract from the paper
[20:26:56] <NotSanguine> Well, I'm not a 23 year old hot grad student. I'm a 48 year-old make technologist who likes to bust chops.
[20:26:16] <cmn32480> and to quote Al Bundy, "I'm married.... with children."
[20:25:40] <cmn32480> YOu said somethign yesterday about a midlife crisis and the only way you woudl know for sure is if you lived to be 90. 23 years old is totally out
[20:25:15] <NotSanguine> The Scientific American article?
[20:24:52] <NotSanguine> How do you know I'm not a 23 year old hot brunette MIT grad student with a penchant for older guys?
[20:24:24] <cmn32480> I found one that I linked to that looked to be writtne in almost English from Arizona State
[20:24:06] <cmn32480> there is a surprising amount of studies on this that are already out there.
[20:23:35] <cmn32480> that woudl be what I meant by "ALONE"
[20:23:25] <NotSanguine> :)
[20:23:20] <NotSanguine> without me? I think I may cry
[20:23:12] <cmn32480> alone
[20:23:09] <cmn32480> took a shower.
[20:23:09] <NotSanguine> hey
[20:23:07] <NotSanguine> http://www.nature.com
[20:23:04] <cmn32480> I feel all clean now
[20:22:56] <cmn32480> Hey Not_Sanguine
[20:22:46] <TheMightyJuggs> ^ 03Innate immunity associated with inflammatory responses and cytokine production against common... - Abstract - Europe PubMed Central
[20:22:45] <NotSanguine> http://europepmc.org
[20:22:33] <TheMightyJuggs> ^ 03Differences between the gut microflora of children with autistic spectrum disorders and that of healthy children
[20:22:31] <NotSanguine> http://jmm.sgmjournals.org
[20:22:11] <TheMightyJuggs> ^ 03BMC Gastroenterology | Full text | Gastrointestinal flora and gastrointestinal status in children with autism -- comparisons to neurotypical children and correlation with autism severity
[20:22:08] <NotSanguine> http://www.biomedcentral.com
[20:21:54] <TheMightyJuggs> ^ 03Bacterium can reverse autism-like behaviour in mice : Nature News & Comment
[20:21:54] <NotSanguine> http://www.nature.com
[20:21:51] <NotSanguine> Have you checked out these links?
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[20:21:29] <NotSanguine_out> having typing issues today.
[20:21:15] <NotSanguine_out> sorry
[20:21:12] <NotSanguine_out> cmn
[20:21:08] <NotSanguine_out> Hey cm32480
[20:12:12] <cmn32480> If anybody is around, I just did some major editing on the autism story that has been in the queue a few days. It is in the story queue for 10am tomorrow but is not set to display.
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[18:06:35] <janrinok> Oh goody! I've just opened my emails and I can have 'fuller breasts' and a super-dooper keyboard!
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[17:40:50] <mrcoolbp> = )
[17:40:49] <mrcoolbp> later
[17:40:45] <mrcoolbp> sigh
[17:38:07] <cmn32480> we will. don't worry. smoking pile of ashes when you return
[17:35:42] <mrcoolbp> Off to work with me. Try not to burn the site down over the weekend guys.
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[17:17:20] <cmn32480> hey coolhand
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[17:09:21] <CoolHand> well, it's not as far as miles and miles
[17:03:18] * mrcoolbp is a big The Who fan
[17:03:11] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: I love the tagline "I can see for metres and metres"
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[15:34:17] <janrinok> back to our PM
[15:33:51] <cmn32480> no
[15:33:20] <janrinok> By the way, has anyone explained the 2 hash numbers that appear on comments for staff eyes only?
[15:33:11] <cmn32480> yes, there do seem to be some people here with a specialized knowledge, and when they speak on their topic they absolutely know their stuff
[15:32:30] <janrinok> I've been impressed with the number of specialists and experts that we have among us
[15:32:02] <cmn32480> agreed seems to be a very smart individual
[15:31:22] <janrinok> it was from gewg_ who, despite his political slant, is a prolific submitter and often digs up stories that others have missed
[15:30:55] <cmn32480> I'll try to keep an eye on that
[15:30:38] <cmn32480> ok
[15:29:44] <janrinok> the comments
[15:29:38] <cmn32480> that came from IRC or in the comments?
[15:29:19] <janrinok> I had a comment this morning on a story, so I changed its title and reworded one phrase, everybody is now happy
[15:28:28] <cmn32480> right
[15:27:33] <janrinok> yes, but it is the first place they come to, so that is where they leave their comment
[15:27:13] <cmn32480> lotsa noise
[15:27:05] <cmn32480> the snr on #soylent is pretty low
[15:26:39] <janrinok> It is not time critical, but it helps prevent numerous people complaining about the same thing. Very often they will pop up on here and tell us too, particularly on #soylent
[15:25:59] <cmn32480> I will keep an eye on that as well
[15:25:52] <cmn32480> ok
[15:25:33] <janrinok> Another thing that we do when we get a few minutes, is scan through the comments on the last half dozen stories or so, looking for typos that the community have found. Edit the original, make a comment about the edit and time if the edit changes the substance of the story, and then thank the commenter for his/her help
[15:24:40] <cmn32480> seems like there are a few people who submit a lot, and then ther are people like me who submit occassionally, or when we see the queue getting low
[15:23:42] <janrinok> it has been looking more healthy the last few weeks. thx ;)
[15:23:27] <cmn32480> i read what you meant. Not what you typed :-)
[15:23:06] <janrinok> occasion* - fingers not connected to brain
[15:23:05] <cmn32480> I watch the nag line on the front page
[15:22:51] <cmn32480> yup
[15:22:32] <janrinok> More recently we have been down to 3 or 4 quite often, and down to 0 on more than 1 ocassion
[15:22:24] <cmn32480> this time last year the site was still new and everybody was clamoring to be part of it
[15:21:58] <janrinok> this time last year we would have about 30 - 40 stories in the sub queue and we could pick the best from amongst them.
[15:20:42] <janrinok> back now
[15:19:22] <cmn32480> i thinkhe was hanging out in here last weekend when the queue was down to like 2 stories, and a few of us threw in a bunch of subs to get us to Monday
[15:15:26] <cmn32480> Phoenix has submitted like 4 to 1 for everybody else lately
[15:15:09] <cmn32480> i got bombarded by my kids
[15:14:49] <janrinok> brb 5 (be right back in 5 minutes)
[15:14:30] <janrinok> but phoenix666 is doing very well at finding stories currently, it is hard to ignore what he is submitting
[15:13:48] <janrinok> If you can, and it is not easy, try not to run consecutive Phoenix666 stories. Try to insert at least one from another submitter in between if possible
[15:12:52] <janrinok> I've already put 2 up for tomorrow, and Azrael has done another.
[15:12:39] <cmn32480> but at least now we can spread it around a bit
[15:12:27] <cmn32480> i bet
[15:12:02] <janrinok> It can be disheartening as an editor, especially if you have just spent a long time processing stories to see them just trolled to death
[15:11:42] <cmn32480> all the sunday drivers so to speak
[15:11:30] <cmn32480> yeah, i've noticed that
[15:11:08] <janrinok> As you are prob aware, we tend to get an influx of trolls at the weekend, particularly Sunday afternoon and evening. Don't push out a really important story unless absolutely necessary, because it will get buried in troll comments
[15:10:33] <cmn32480> let it sit for a bit and try something else for the moment
[15:10:03] <cmn32480> tenuous at best
[15:09:56] <janrinok> Yes, and we have already covered that in 2 previous stories. I suppose deleting it is a bit naughty though
[15:09:23] <cmn32480> the only relation to tech is the email server link
[15:08:49] <janrinok> Yes, I can understand that one, but if we start covering all stories about candidates then I have a load of Cameron and Miliband stories which are doing the rounds here. Nothing to do with tech though
[15:08:27] <cmn32480> i think it has been mostly becasue of this
[15:08:17] <cmn32480> she was the presumptive nominee from the democrats up until recently
[15:07:00] <cmn32480> it may be big enough to prevent Clinton from actually running for president
[15:06:39] <janrinok> that will explain the sub then
[15:06:06] <cmn32480> it is a big story here
[15:05:41] <janrinok> as you know, we try to avoid purely political stories, but I'll leave it to someone on your side of the pond to decide if that is worth running with
[15:05:08] <cmn32480> I think the kliener perkins is a SV VC company
[15:04:19] <janrinok> cmn32480: Ah, that explains the Pao story. The linked article doesn't mention SV as far as I recall
[15:04:16] <cmn32480> the political stories are always a bit flamebaitish
[15:03:33] <janrinok> and the Hillary Clinton story - the submission is concentrating on the political angle rather than the technical. Again, it looks a bit flamebait'ish
[15:03:23] <cmn32480> it has to do with tech a littel because it is all out of Silicon Valley
[15:02:51] <cmn32480> it has been in the news, but I haven't been paying attention to it
[15:02:38] <cmn32480> i did see this one
[15:02:30] <janrinok> yep, near the bottom
[15:02:20] <cmn32480> is it in the queue?
[15:01:31] <janrinok> I cannot see what it has to do with SN - other than it is a flamebait story that tend to surface at weekends
[15:00:54] <janrinok> about gender inequallity - or not, according to the final verdict
[15:00:51] <cmn32480> I have not heard anything, but I have been out of the loop traveling the last 2 weeks
[15:00:20] <janrinok> its a court case
[15:00:11] <cmn32480> what sport would that be?
[14:59:11] <janrinok> is the Ellen Pao Vs Kleiner Perkins big in the US?
[14:58:28] <janrinok> there are a couple of subs that I'm not sure belong here
[14:57:52] <cmn32480> well I am glad I could help
[14:56:23] <janrinok> highlight of my day, that was
[14:51:49] <cmn32480> ok
[14:51:44] <janrinok> while you are here, let me try something - which will probably not work
[14:49:48] <cmn32480> and I don't know that we need to progress beyond that too far
[14:49:44] <janrinok> hi juggs
[14:49:23] <janrinok> I found one - still unable to do anything other than basic :-)
[14:49:21] * cmn32480 for stuff like this
[14:49:09] <TheMightyJuggs> ^ 03#Beginner - IRC Commands, the Basics
[14:49:09] <cmn32480> http://www.ircbeginner.com
[14:48:56] <cmn32480> i actually went and found a basic IRC guide last night
[14:48:34] <janrinok> makes me look cool - I haven't got a clue what I'm typing
[14:48:32] <cmn32480> if I don't have some, you don't want to be around
[14:48:23] <cmn32480> tea for you is like coffee for me
[14:48:13] <cmn32480> ahhh
[14:48:13] <janrinok> back*
[14:48:09] <janrinok> welcome backj
[14:47:50] <cmn32480> wb?
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[14:47:39] <janrinok> wb
[14:47:30] <Bender> karma - coffee: 5
[14:47:30] <cmn32480|afk> coffee++
[14:41:39] <Bender> karma - tea: 3
[14:41:39] <Bender> karma - tea: 2
[14:41:39] <janrinok> tea++
[14:41:39] <janrinok> tea++
[14:41:35] <janrinok> one, ONE!
[14:41:12] <Bender> karma - tea: 1
[14:41:12] <janrinok> tea++
[14:36:18] <janrinok> ah, a cup of hot rosie lee (that's tea for our American cousins, not dipped in seawater)
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[14:22:23] <cmn32480> time to go make coffee... they let me sleep in this morning 'till 10
[14:20:06] <CoolHand> lol... will do :)
[14:19:38] <cmn32480> stay strong coolhand!
[14:19:12] <cmn32480> and there is the big issue. it doen'st even happen for everybody at the same time
[14:19:03] <CoolHand> cmn32480: yeah, I agree with that... It's just hard to take here because we resisted for so long (until about 10 years ago), then finally caved in
[14:18:47] <janrinok> our clocks change tonight
[14:17:39] <cmn32480> personally, I think they ought to get rid of it everywhere. cars have headlights afterall
[14:17:08] <CoolHand> cmn32480: I agree - I hope Indiana repeals it again... a lot of people want to
[14:16:54] <cmn32480> stupid Daylight savings
[14:16:42] <CoolHand> cmn32480: sounds about right... I believe it's UTC-5 other times depending on DST
[14:15:54] <cmn32480> coolhand - UTC-4 (EST/EDT) sound right?
[14:14:42] <janrinok> CoolHand: thanks for your efforts yesterday, the day's work is done
[14:14:40] <cmn32480> will fix the wiki
[14:14:36] <cmn32480> I
[14:14:34] <cmn32480> thanks Coolhand
[14:14:08] <CoolHand> hey janrinok
[14:14:04] <CoolHand> cmn32480: my timezone is Easter time (new york/Indianapolis)
[14:13:51] <janrinok> hi CoolHand
[14:13:42] <CoolHand>
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[01:54:00] <cmn32480> NotSanguine and I have both dumped stories into the queue for review at anyone's convenience.
[01:42:38] <NotSanguine> Thanks juggs
[01:42:30] <juggs> Welcome aboard NotSanguine :D
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[01:39:01] <cmn32480> me too.
[01:38:49] <NotSanguine> UTC -5 (US/Eastern)
[01:38:22] <cmn32480> and I added us newbs to the Wiki under editors. What's your time zone?
[01:37:59] <NotSanguine> Thanks cmn32480. I took care of it
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[01:36:23] <cmn32480|afk> NotSanguine - scroll back a bit. Juggs posted somethign for you to register your nick
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[01:34:57] <NotSanguine_bathing> Is someone available to look it over and let me know if it's ready to go?
[01:34:32] <NotSanguine_bathing> I just finished editing "EU Announces Plans to Banish Geo-Blocking and Revise Copyright Law"
[01:34:16] <NotSanguine_bathing> Hey all
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[01:14:43] <cmn32480> Thanks Juggs
[01:14:32] <cmn32480> next time I log in, we'll see if I configured Hexchat correctly
[01:14:30] <juggs> Good stuff, I've added you to the Editors group and given you a staff host mask :) Welcome aboard!
[01:13:55] <cmn32480> done.
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[01:12:38] <juggs> cmn32480, once that's done, each time you connect you'll need to identify with NickServ with: /ns identify <password> or if using an irc client you should be able to put the NickServ password in the config for the connection
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[01:11:22] <juggs> hi NotSanguine_bathing - can you please register your irc nick with: /ns register <password> <email-address>
[01:11:08] <juggs> cmn32480, any password you desire :D Probably best not to use the same as for the site
[01:10:42] <cmn32480> juggs - is that a new password, or an existing one for some other part of the site?
[01:09:55] <juggs> hi cmn32480 - can you please register your irc nick with: /ns register <password> <email-address>
[00:12:02] <mrcoolbp> no prob
[00:11:57] <cmn32480> thanks mrcoolbp
[00:11:52] <mrcoolbp> = )
[00:11:50] <mrcoolbp> lol, okay cmn32480: I gotta jet. Catch ya later.
[00:11:38] <TheMightyJuggs> ^ 03I can't!
[00:11:38] <mrcoolbp> better: http://soylentnews.org
[00:10:40] * mrcoolbp removes "I dunno,"
[00:10:24] * mrcoolbp thinks
[00:10:13] <cmn32480> OK. I am out of the article
[00:09:57] <mrcoolbp> okay I'll fix and approve
[00:09:50] <cmn32480> yes
[00:09:41] <mrcoolbp> should we change his "I dunno" to "I don't know" ??
[00:09:24] <cmn32480> understood. I will watch for that
[00:09:21] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: yeah otherwise looks good I'd say
[00:09:00] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: it will auto link to [userprofile] *unless* they specify an email address, inwhich case it uses mailto, maybe it's just personal pref but I hate mailtos = )
[00:07:57] <cmn32480> in truth, mrcoolbp, i didn't pick a hard one for the first try.
[00:06:54] <cmn32480> Got it. I missed that
[00:06:42] <TheMightyJuggs> ^ 03Phoenix666 - SoylentNews User
[00:06:41] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: OOPS yeah changing to <a href="https://soylentnews.org/~Phoenix666">
[00:06:34] <chromas> ~
[00:06:20] <TheMightyJuggs> ^ 03404 File Not Found
[00:06:20] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: recommend changing to <a href="https://soylentnews.org/Phoenix666">
[00:05:53] <cmn32480> If you gotta scoot.. it'll hold 'til later. I have bath time coming shortly
[00:05:13] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: I can take a look real quick, but I'm running off after
[00:02:50] -!- Phoenix666 has quit [Quit: Leaving]
[00:02:45] <cmn32480> You too. Safe weekend
[00:02:38] <Phoenix666> :-)
[00:02:28] <Phoenix666> i'll check back in then. have a good evening/day/morning and ttyl!
[00:02:19] <cmn32480> You, sir, are a beast
[00:02:04] <Phoenix666> cmn32480, everyone: OK, I threw 3-4 more in the hopper. If you like those it should carry everything through 'til about noon EST Sunday.
[00:00:39] <cmn32480> NotSanguine_ - What si your tmie zone?