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[14:58:32] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: good morning
[15:00:31] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: Hi how are you?
[15:00:52] <mrcoolbp> not bad
[15:00:54] <mrcoolbp> can we urge laminatorX to review the editors awaiting approval?
[15:01:07] <mrcoolbp> I haven't heard from him since I sent those emails
[15:01:08] <paulej72> hey, if anyone wants to promote a trainee ed to full ed just let me know
[15:01:17] <mrcoolbp> aye
[15:01:29] <mrcoolbp> thanks paulej72, we are awaiting Lamx still
[15:01:41] <janrinok> I thought that the last few days had done that? The last email that he saw was that he would have to go with whatever we recommend
[15:02:00] <janrinok> that I saw*
[15:02:20] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: I didnt' receive that
[15:02:37] <mrcoolbp> well that makes it interesting
[15:02:51] <janrinok> Well I only received a small proportion of the emails that we going around, but that was definately amongst them
[15:16:17] <paulej72> I think the concensus among the rest of us is that the senior editors should be able to sign off on the trainees
[15:16:54] <mrcoolbp> as long as there are at least two of us, sounds sane to me
[15:17:19] <mrcoolbp> okay, lets approve some editors
[15:17:32] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: you around by any chance?
[15:44:40] <cmn32480> I am here mrcoolbp
[15:44:44] <cmn32480> fighting fires
[15:44:48] <cmn32480> booking flights
[15:44:57] <cmn32480> beating my head against the wall
[15:45:00] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: everything okay?
[15:45:02] <janrinok> email on its way to you cmn32480
[15:45:19] <cmn32480> and wondering if I can pad the walls of my home office in rubber
[15:46:02] <cmn32480> mrcoolbp work has been nuts and is getting worse
[15:46:09] <mrcoolbp> = (
[15:46:29] <cmn32480> this guy quit a week and change ago, and we have PO's rolling in faster than I can deal wiht them
[15:46:52] <cmn32480> it is funny as hell in a way
[15:47:04] <cmn32480> I'm racking up some serious hotel nights and frequent flier miles
[15:47:51] <janrinok> so your bags are full of those little bottles of shampoo and tiny tablets of soap?
[15:47:58] <cmn32480> feast or famine. we are in a feast adn not enough hands to eat it all
[15:48:13] <cmn32480> janrinok: absolutely! FREEBIE!
[15:48:16] <janrinok> don't eat the soap!
[15:48:25] <cmn32480> I can't... it gives me gas
[15:48:36] <janrinok> so you've tried.... that doesn not bode well
[15:49:31] <cmn32480> I was reaching for a granola bar... same bag.. wrong pocket
[15:49:38] <cmn32480> VERY wrong pocket :-)
[15:49:42] <janrinok> that's what they _all_ say
[15:50:05] <cmn32480> but on the up side... I had a great party trick... I was belching soap bubbles
[15:50:08] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: you have email
[15:50:15] <cmn32480> I have received, sir
[15:50:26] <janrinok> welcome to the team
[15:50:27] <mrcoolbp> Excellent sir. Gratz.
[15:50:31] <cmn32480> and I am honored, and humbled to be able to join your ranks
[15:50:39] <janrinok> that will change....
[15:50:40] <mrcoolbp> great power.... and all
[15:50:42] <mrcoolbp> lol
[15:51:18] <cmn32480> I shall try to use my power only for good, and the relief of those who have been working hard to keep us running
[15:51:26] <mrcoolbp> aye
[15:51:32] <janrinok> that's good enough for me
[15:51:37] <mrcoolbp> concur
[15:51:56] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: what would you like for your email address?
[15:52:20] <cmn32480> blink blink... email address?
[15:52:24] <mrcoolbp> yup
[15:52:32] <cmn32480> OH!
[15:52:36] <cmn32480> duh sorry
[15:52:37] <janrinok> an official email address - you're impotent now
[15:52:41] <mrcoolbp> lol
[15:52:47] <janrinok> sry - that should be important
[15:52:52] <mrcoolbp> I figured janny
[15:52:56] <cmn32480> I better not be impotent now
[15:53:06] <cmn32480> if that comes wiht the job... you can take this job and shove it
[15:53:13] <mrcoolbp> fair 'nuff
[15:53:25] <cmn32480> cmn32480@soylentnews.org
[15:53:31] <mrcoolbp> copy that
[15:53:31] <cmn32480> shoudl probably be available
[15:53:40] <mrcoolbp> I think so, will have to check = )
[15:53:48] <janrinok> be surprised if it isn't
[15:53:55] <cmn32480> me too
[15:54:08] <cmn32480> I've had that address for years on multiple email services
[15:54:17] <mrcoolbp> add another to the collection
[15:54:24] <cmn32480> many many years... close to 20 I think
[15:54:40] <cmn32480> I just got a call from American express
[15:54:53] <cmn32480> they wanted to make sure that all the plane flights I just booked were really for me
[15:54:57] <mrcoolbp> haha
[15:55:02] <cmn32480> sadly... yes.. they are
[15:55:17] <cmn32480> "Unusual travel activity"
[15:55:19] <cmn32480> hehehe
[15:55:21] <mrcoolbp> "Yes, and I'm not an int.ntl. spy or anything, yes mam, yes mam...."
[15:56:09] <cmn32480> I bet that pays better...
[15:56:52] <mrcoolbp> Not by much, you'd be surprised, the benefits are good though.
[15:57:17] <cmn32480> I have logged out and back in and I see the backslash bar at the top now
[15:57:46] <mrcoolbp> neato
[15:58:01] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: try not to break the whole site, k?
[15:58:04] <mrcoolbp> = )
[15:58:32] <cmn32480> Wait.. I thought that was my job?
[15:58:50] <cmn32480> I can only break Dev, right?
[16:00:11] <janrinok> cmn32480: I know that you know how to do everything, but if you have any questions just yell out
[16:01:15] <cmn32480> I woudl much rather ask and be told I have ti right, than not ask and screw it up
[16:01:36] <cmn32480> but I very much appreciate the offer of help Janrinok
[16:01:59] <janrinok> np - where are you normally located?
[16:03:37] <cmn32480> US East Coast
[16:04:12] <janrinok> OK, just so that I know when to expect you around
[16:04:15] <cmn32480> Crap noon.. I gotta take the kids to gymnastics
[16:04:28] <cmn32480> it will vary when I am on
[16:04:55] <cmn32480> most days I will be able to log in from work (if I am at the office), if I am on the road, it will likely be nights from the hotel
[16:04:56] <janrinok> of course, and we are all volunteers. Just do what you can to help, it will be much appreciated
[16:05:54] <cmn32480> If I can put up 1 or 2 a day for right now, given all that is happening with work, I'll be happy.
[16:06:15] <janrinok> so will weQ
[16:06:17] <janrinok> we!
[16:06:25] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: you got mail again
[16:07:19] <cmn32480> how does one change their nick on IRC? I'd like to put up and AFK
[16:07:57] <mrcoolbp> type: "/nick cmn|away"
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[16:08:42] <mrcoolbp> bingo
[16:08:44] <cmn32480|away> ahhhh sweet
[16:08:48] <cmn32480|away> thank you much
[16:08:51] <mrcoolbp> you can't talk now you are away
[16:09:41] <mrcoolbp> = )
[16:09:55] <mrcoolbp> (j/k)
[16:10:15] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: just a heads up, I will have to pop offline for a few hours today, but I will be back a little later
[16:10:28] <mrcoolbp> not quite yet but soon
[16:13:12] <janrinok> k - I'll be afk too, but will try and lurk
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[18:33:07] <CoolHand> looks like I'm really committed now... janrinok has put out an official article... :)
[18:49:20] <cmn32480> coolhand: crap
[18:50:04] <cmn32480> what was the line from Full Metal Jacket? "It's a big shit sandwich and we all gotta take a bite."
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[18:53:50] <janrinok> hi guys
[18:54:00] <janrinok> CoolHand: yep, too late
[18:54:44] <janrinok> cmn32480: hi to you too
[18:55:05] <cmn32480> good afternoon janrinok
[18:55:13] <janrinok> evening to you both
[18:56:03] <cmn32480> Janrinok, you are UTC+1, correct?
[18:56:28] <janrinok> hey, you are getting a friendly reception on that story - it could have been much worse ;)
[18:56:36] <janrinok> CoolHand: correct
[18:58:26] <janrinok> cmn32480: are you still travelling, or are you back near home now?
[18:59:29] <cmn32480> at home from last night until either Tuesday night or Wednesday morning, depending on how I book my flights.
[18:59:58] <janrinok> ah, OK. I got the impression that you will still on the move earlier.
[19:00:16] <cmn32480> then I will be winging my way to wonderful Alabama, where tehy seem to have invented time travel, because they are at least 50 years behind the rest of the world
[19:00:35] <janrinok> lol
[19:01:42] <cmn32480> still booking flights and hotels for next week. I thought I was going to be leaving Sunday night for a customer "emergency" but we got them at least functional until I can draw a breath and get up there with more than duct tape and bubble gum
[19:02:27] <janrinok> hey, that is quite advanced fixing skills you have there
[19:02:47] <janrinok> I can't chew gum and fix anything at the same time
[19:02:54] <cmn32480> hehehe
[19:03:22] <cmn32480> the bubble gum is like glue between pieces. The duct tape really just holds the universe together
[19:03:48] <cmn32480> it is like traveling the galaxy without a towel.... just not smart to leave it at home.
[19:04:19] <janrinok> so you don't have a sidekick to chew the gum for you?
[19:04:35] <janrinok> I'm not sure if that lowers your status or raises it....
[19:05:19] <cmn32480> no sidekick... but I got 3 kids 6 and under. Does that count?
[19:05:50] <janrinok> well it will keep you busy, that's for sure
[19:06:19] <cmn32480> they are a handful. I love them dearly. Even on the days when I want to kill them
[19:07:40] <janrinok> CoolHand: cmn32480 welcome to the team. just to let you know, we don't have any major editors and minor editors - just editors. If you see something wrong, then feel free to either change it or let someone else know that it is wrong. Don't be shy in speaking up.
[19:08:21] <janrinok> we all make mistakes too - the community are usually quite quick at letting us know :)
[19:08:37] <cmn32480> gluttons for punishment are we?
[19:09:18] <janrinok> very much so. And you both know that we come in for a lot of flak from the community. It just goes with the job.
[19:09:57] <janrinok> But personally, I am very glad that you are both here, and NotSanguine when he joins us
[19:10:11] * mrcoolbp is here too
[19:10:23] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: hi
[19:10:29] <mrcoolbp> hi
[19:11:23] <janrinok> but don't make the mistake that I and others have made. Make your contribution, but don't get suckered into working harder than you should.
[19:11:57] <mrcoolbp> ^^
[19:12:18] <mrcoolbp> Give what you can, but not more
[19:13:42] <janrinok> we're actually looking quite healthy story-wise for the start of a weekend. That's a pleasant change
[19:14:23] * mrcoolbp has some work to do but will respond to pings over the next 5 hours
[19:14:39] <janrinok> k, kept back to your grindstone...
[19:14:44] <janrinok> get back *
[19:14:52] <janrinok> brain not working tonight
[19:40:17] * janrinok thinks it is very quiet
[19:42:33] <cmn32480> only because my younger 2 kids are napping. Once they wake up, I'm sure you'll hear it.
[19:43:00] <janrinok> can't you put some of that duct tape to good use while they are still...?
[19:43:22] <janrinok> no, I suppose not
[19:43:43] <cmn32480> my wife has issues when I do stuff that leaves marks
[19:44:16] <janrinok> you've got a very sensible wife. Mine didn't find out until it was too late :-)
[19:51:14] <cmn32480> She isn't that sensible... she married me after all
[19:51:44] <janrinok> hehe - I'll tell her you said that
[19:52:03] <cmn32480> nothign I haven't already told her
[19:54:04] <cmn32480> as a side question.. what's a good Windows IRC client. the web works fine, but If I am going to hang out here more, I'd rather have an installed program
[19:54:25] <janrinok> I don't know - I don't use windows
[19:54:35] <cmn32480> figures
[19:54:39] <cmn32480> I shoulda known
[19:55:08] <janrinok> but somebody around here will have an idea. This chan is the best for tech advice.
[19:55:16] <janrinok> isn't *
[19:55:25] <cmn32480> right
[19:55:34] <cmn32480> I was gonna post it in the regular channel next
[20:08:09] <mrcoolbp> cmn32480: I use mIRC
[20:08:12] <mrcoolbp> it's not bad
[20:09:50] <cmn32480> HEXchat was also suggested on the main channel
[20:11:55] <mrcoolbp> aye, that one is probably a good choice as well
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[20:14:28] <janrinok> hi NotSanguine
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[20:17:12] <NotSanguine> Hey all. I started looking at a submission "Eyedrops Allow Night Vision Up to 50m" and it shows close matching with martyb. That measn I should back off and let him do this one, yes?
[20:17:53] <NotSanguine> Hey Janrinok
[20:18:17] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: looks like you both grabbed the story to edit
[20:18:21] <janrinok> NotSanguine: it looks like martyb is working on it.
[20:18:33] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: if you scroll down, you can see he is working on a story with the same title
[20:18:46] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: also, grats on the editorship
[20:18:49] <mrcoolbp> = )
[20:18:52] <NotSanguine> I did. what's the protocol for this?
[20:19:04] <janrinok> welcome to the team NotSanguine
[20:19:07] <NotSanguine> Thank you, mrcoolbp, glad to be here
[20:19:15] <mrcoolbp> so are we
[20:19:19] <NotSanguine> thank janrinok
[20:20:33] <NotSanguine> mrcoolbp: If someone is already editiing a submission I'll see it at the bottom, in the list of editors. Gotcha
[20:21:00] <mrcoolbp> Yessir.
[20:21:19] <cmn32480> NotSanguine - it means you get to go take your monthly shower. ALONE.
[20:21:29] <mrcoolbp> good to check that before you click "preview" on a sub. It's not very often that that happens though
[20:21:43] <janrinok> there is a minor gotcha. Once they post it, then it stays like that until they pick another story or log out. So you have to watch how long they have been working on it, or you can wait a long while ;)
[20:21:48] <NotSanguine> monthly? and waste all that water?
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[20:22:17] <janrinok> Bytram|away: welcome to our happy throng again
[20:22:28] * janrinok notes he has to be going soon
[20:22:31] <mrcoolbp> Bytram|away: yeah, notsanguine was about to work on that story as well
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[20:22:58] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: but he caught that it was a match to yours and will leave it for you
[20:22:59] <NotSanguine> I understand. just to confirm, if I leave the MEP page without saving, that will get rid of anything I've done?
[20:23:08] <janrinok> yep
[20:23:19] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: we'll miss ya
[20:23:35] <cmn32480> janrinok: that is a good tip. I hadn't picked up on that while paying in dev.
[20:23:36] <janrinok> only when you are throwing things....
[20:24:11] <NotSanguine> So martyb is leaving that one for me?
[20:24:13] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: heh! I noticed he was working on it, so *I* dropped it!
[20:24:18] <mrcoolbp> oh boy
[20:24:20] <janrinok> there are loads of tips and tricks that you will only learn by stumbling onto them
[20:24:22] <Bytram> NotSanguine: all yours!
[20:24:24] <Bytram> btw,
[20:24:34] <Bytram> an observation: there was only one story source
[20:24:39] <Bytram> I did a search
[20:24:47] <Bytram> could find no other coroborating eviddence
[20:25:01] <NotSanguine> Thanks. I did too and found the paper on the "Science for the masses" website
[20:25:03] <Bytram> except for a link to a pdrf, which might have been their original results
[20:25:05] <Bytram> hold on a sec
[20:25:39] <Bytram> it was: http://scienceforthemasses.org
[20:26:02] <Bytram> also, there is a patent: https://encrypted.google.com
[20:26:02] <TheMightyJuggs> ^ 03Patent US20120157377 - Methods to enhance night vision and treatment of night blindness - Google Patents
[20:26:11] <NotSanguine> I suppose I should find out if anyone else ahs worked on this
[20:26:38] <janrinok> the pdf looks legit
[20:26:39] <NotSanguine> The same info from the pdf is in html at http://scienceforthemasses.org
[20:26:40] <TheMightyJuggs> ^ 03A Review on Night Enhancement Eyedrops Using Chlorin e6 | Science for the Masses
[20:27:08] <Bytram> nod nod
[20:27:18] <NotSanguine> Thanks for the patent info, I'll add it as well.
[20:27:20] <janrinok> It's not a troll, so I would be happy to go with it
[20:27:31] <Bytram> agreed
[20:27:48] <Bytram> here's a mind-twisting headline from El Reg...
[20:27:49] <Bytram> http://go.theregister.com
[20:27:49] <TheMightyJuggs> ^ 03Flak for Slack chaps in yak app hack flap: User database whacked • The Register ( http://www.theregister.co.uk )
[20:28:00] <janrinok> lol
[20:28:01] <NotSanguine> IT would be nice to see if any other folks have been working in this direction. I'll see if I can find anything
[20:28:42] <Bytram> that's a good idea, but bewsare that it can easily turn into an hour of searching and wikipedia reading and ...
[20:28:45] <Bytram> ya know what I mean?
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[20:41:47] <NotSanguine_> Sorry. browser crashed. :(
[20:42:53] <NotSanguine_> I was able to determin that there has been plenty of research into the chemical mentioned in the story and paper.
[20:44:04] <NotSanguine_> Ffor oncological and opthamological uses. Would mention of this and a link to a Google scholar search be appropriate?
[20:44:34] <Bytram> can't say
[20:45:09] <Bytram> it's as much a *feel* for how much balance is necessary in the story itself, as well as providing opportunity for the community to find things to bring up and discuss.
[20:45:22] <Bytram> comes with experience, and I'm still lerning!
[20:45:31] <Bytram> s/lern/learn/
[20:45:36] <Bytram> see!!
[20:45:42] <mrcoolbp> NotSanguine: like our friend cmn, I would suggest you look into an irc client
[20:46:03] <NotSanguine_> I'd like to make mention that research on the chemical has been done and this isn't just some one off done in a garage
[20:46:22] <NotSanguine_> mrcoolbp: I think you're right
[20:46:40] <mrcoolbp> much better than the webchat
[20:47:26] <Bytram> NotSanguine_: sounds good to me!
[20:48:04] <NotSanguine_> bytram: I don't want to just dump a google search link into the summary, I'll see if Wikipedia can help :)
[20:48:41] <NotSanguine_> mrcoolbytram: Thanks for your advice
[20:48:51] <NotSanguine_> I mean both of you. :)
[20:49:00] <Bytram> LOL!
[20:52:16] <mrcoolbp> np
[20:54:31] <Bytram> back in a bit -- fixin dinner
[20:57:59] <Bytram> NotSanguine_: I apologize for my manners... WELCOME ABOARD!!!
[20:58:28] <Bytram> cmn32480: and a WELCOME ABOARD to you, as well!
[20:58:39] <Bytram> so good to see you both step up to the plate
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[21:02:05] <janrinok|afk> I'm going to have to say my goodbyes for today, but I'll be back here tomorrow. Cheers guys
[21:02:15] <paulej72> laters janrinok|afk
[21:02:15] <cmn32480|afk> night janrinok
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[21:02:38] <Bytram> janrinok|afk: cya!
[21:18:32] <cosurgi> anybody seen laminatorX ?
[21:18:43] <cosurgi> od martyb ?
[21:18:52] <cosurgi> I just wanted to tell them this link: http://gen.lib.rus.ec
[21:18:53] <TheMightyJuggs> ^ 03Library Genesis: Scientfic Articles
[21:19:14] <cosurgi> since martyb wrote: "I was unable to find a non-paywalled copy of the full article, but did find an abstract."
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[21:20:41] <NotSanguine_> thank you bytram. No worries, I'm a rude SOB myself. :)
[21:21:05] <Bytram> hmmm, hence the nick?
[21:21:12] <NotSanguine_> Heh
[21:21:39] <NotSanguine_> Actually, that's a reference to getting rather cynical in my middle age
[21:21:54] <NotSanguine_> At least I sure hope it's my middle age. :)
[21:22:25] <Bytram> depends on how long you're gonna live. when you die, divide by two, and then you'll know!
[21:22:40] <SoyCow1797> 'tis really I, janrinok, lurking on....
[21:23:11] <NotSanguine_> I finished (I hope) setting up the "night vision" article. As suggested, I unchecked "Display" to let you old timers look it over first
[21:23:31] <Bytram> http://www.merriam-webster.com
[21:23:31] <TheMightyJuggs> ^ 03Sanguine - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
[21:23:38] <Bytram> on my way
[21:23:50] <NotSanguine_> bytram: once I'm dead, that's the first thing I'll do.
[21:23:50] <SoyCow1797> I wish I could say the same NotSanguine_ , unfortunately I don't know many 120-odd year old folks, so I'm probably past my sell-by date
[21:24:10] <Bytram> NotSanguine_: you catch on quickly -- I think you'll fit in here just fine!
[21:24:34] <NotSanguine_> Well, I don't expect to live 98 years, but then, I never expected to make it to 30. So it's all gravy now.
[21:24:44] <paulej72> lol
[21:24:52] <SoyCow1797> ^
[21:25:13] SoyCow1797 is now known as janrinok_in_bed
[21:25:26] <janrinok_in_bed> I couldn't stand that nick
[21:25:33] <Bytram> NotSanguine_: looks to me like the story was still set to go out... are you sure you unchecked Display AND saved it?
[21:25:34] <NotSanguine_> Yup. Definition 4. The optimistic bit
[21:26:19] <NotSanguine_> I thought I'd unchecked Display. But I guess not.
[21:26:26] <NotSanguine_> I just made sure
[21:26:51] <Bytram> better!
[21:27:02] <Bytram> here's a nice learning opportunity, too.
[21:27:11] <Bytram> do you know how to get to the "story list" page?
[21:27:20] <paulej72> no wire hangers
[21:27:23] <NotSanguine_> Yes, I have a tab open to it
[21:27:27] <Bytram> k
[21:27:43] <Bytram> see how stories 7 and 11 have a "gray" background?
[21:27:51] <Bytram> that indicates that they are NOT display
[21:28:42] <NotSanguine_> I know. That's why I thought it was set not to display. I can olnly assume that once I saved *again* I didn't confirm that display was unchecked.
[21:28:48] <NotSanguine_> I'll be more careful
[21:29:00] <Bytram> np!
[21:29:18] <Bytram> ok, now /me goes to take a look..
[21:29:18] <Bytram> brb
[21:29:42] <NotSanguine_> Any recommendations for a good IRC client?
[21:29:57] <Bytram> what os are you using?
[21:29:58] <janrinok_in_bed> I would never make a mistake like that NotSanguine_ - er, except for here : http://soylentnews.org
[21:29:58] <TheMightyJuggs> ^✓ 03SoylentNews | Janrinok - FOR TRAINING ONLY - do not release!
[21:30:05] <NotSanguine_> browser. Yuck
[21:30:30] * Bytram remembers *that* one! =)
[21:30:42] <janrinok_in_bed> lol - no-one lets me forget it
[21:30:56] <Bytram> specially when you bring it back up gain!
[21:31:10] <janrinok_in_bed> If I hadn't someone else would have done
[21:31:13] <NotSanguine_> Good. Now I can remind you about it periodically as well, janrinok. :)
[21:31:33] <Bytram> You *ARE* catching on quick!
[21:31:36] <janrinok_in_bed> but I won't mention Bytram's mistake of today
[21:32:02] <Bytram> NotSanguine_: so, the story looks very good.
[21:32:10] <NotSanguine_> uh uh. Now you need to dish, janrinok. :)
[21:32:13] <janrinok_in_bed> or you could look at why there are 2 undisplayed stories.....
[21:32:18] <Bytram> I'm the QA dept here, so I had to find *something*, of course
[21:32:29] <janrinok_in_bed> heheh
[21:32:36] <Bytram> one was intentional as I found out after I got it all pretty that it was a story from 2012
[21:33:03] <NotSanguine_> Thanks bytram. Should I release the story, or leave that to you?
[21:33:17] <Bytram> NotSanguine_: but, there's one minor suggestion I'd like to make.
[21:33:22] <NotSanguine_> Please
[21:33:43] <Bytram> first sentence has: "...eye drops that temporarily enables enhanced night vision "
[21:34:01] <Bytram> the link text is: "enables enhanced night vision"
[21:34:17] <Bytram> "temporarily" modifies the word "enables"
[21:34:42] <Bytram> to split those inside and outside the link text is slightly disturbing
[21:34:53] <Bytram> I'd suggest including or excluding both from the link text
[21:34:53] <NotSanguine_> Perhaps "...temporarily enhances night vision"?
[21:35:23] <Bytram> it's not the wording itself.
[21:35:36] <NotSanguine_> Actually, the original text submitted just said "enables night vision"
[21:35:47] <NotSanguine_> I should have checked the link text as well.
[21:36:00] <Bytram> if what part of the wording that appears <a href="blah">OVER HERE</as>"
[21:36:11] <Bytram> s/if/it's/
[21:36:28] <Bytram> so, let me change it and you can see what I mean. k?
[21:37:04] <NotSanguine_> I see it
[21:37:13] <Bytram> Ah, oops. I misunderstood your earlier reply.
[21:37:32] <NotSanguine_> I thought that specifying temporarily was important
[21:37:39] <Bytram> you suggested: <a href="blah">
[21:37:51] <Bytram> ugh. typo
[21:37:55] <Bytram> you suggested: <a href="blah">temporarily enhances night vision</a>
[21:38:00] <Bytram> that would be fine, or
[21:38:18] <Bytram> temporarily enhances <a href="blah">night vision</a>
[21:38:23] <Bytram> that would work, too.
[21:38:31] <NotSanguine_> that was my thought. I'll look at it both ways and pick one
[21:38:52] <NotSanguine_> Oh, and changing the department as well
[21:38:54] <Bytram> oh, watch out LaminatorX is on the story, too.
[21:40:44] <NotSanguine_> I see that. Better now?
[21:41:13] * Bytram goes to look
[21:42:17] <Bytram> I like that better.
[21:42:44] <Bytram> okay, there's another thing I just noticed...
[21:42:58] <NotSanguine_> I see we have a perfectionist here....good!
[21:43:07] <NotSanguine_> yes sir?
[21:43:12] <Bytram> next to the last paragraph; has two links with link text of "here" -- we prefer to avoid that whenever possible
[21:43:45] <NotSanguine_> Let me look
[21:44:17] <Bytram> NotSanguine_: let me know when you've found it, and I'll show an alternative phrasing, k?
[21:44:28] <janrinok_in_bed> that's the problem with QA guys, they just keep breaking it
[21:44:40] <Bytram> janrinok_in_bed: go back to bed!
[21:44:59] <janrinok_in_bed> I can't go back, I already am
[21:45:02] <Bytram> that's the problem with devs and eds, they think everything is already *perfect*!
[21:45:09] <janrinok_in_bed> lol
[21:45:34] <Bytram> janrinok_in_bed: well, in that case, "move slowly away from the keyboard"
[21:46:23] <janrinok_in_bed> I'm going back to bash.org
[21:48:18] <NotSanguine_> bytram: I think it's better now.
[21:48:48] <Bytram> ouch... I was rewriting for you to see a different phrasing... now we have two versions in flight...
[21:48:58] <Bytram> you're on windows?
[21:49:07] <cmn32480|afk> Hexchat for Windows.
[21:49:14] <Bytram> fine
[21:49:17] <cmn32480|afk> working well for me for a few hours now
[21:49:30] <cmn32480|afk> if that can be called a ringing endorsement
[21:49:31] <NotSanguine_> I can windows or linux. Or even BSD in a pinch.
[21:49:45] <Bytram> with your cursor in the "INtro Copy" text entry field, type Ctrl+A and then Ctrl+C to get a complete copy of the text that you have
[21:49:51] <cmn32480|afk> Sorry Bytram.... Didn't mean to steal your thunder
[21:50:13] <Bytram> then open notepad or the like and paste your text into it, using Ctrl+V
[21:50:31] <Bytram> that way, no matter what happens, we can retrieve what you have. I'll do the same.
[21:50:46] <NotSanguine_> Why do you want me to copy it out?
[21:51:13] <NotSanguine_> The text is now in a local copy of emacs here.
[21:51:20] <Bytram> good!
[21:51:46] <Bytram> precautionary measure
[21:52:20] <NotSanguine_> Just so you know, I'm an infrastructure guy for the last 20 years or so. You don't need to give me the grandma treatment. But you didn't know that. So thatnks
[21:52:29] <Bytram> much better!
[21:52:58] <Bytram> got it! Whew! that makes things a LOT easier... and you're an Emacs guy, too? YAY!
[21:53:56] <NotSanguine_> q!<return> emacs<return> -- all the vi you'll ever need to know. :)
[21:54:38] <Bytram> about the only thing I'd suggest would be to mention "ZME Science" someplace near "article" -- not all people set up the site to display the domain name for each link.
[21:55:04] <Bytram> very well done!
[21:55:32] <NotSanguine_> Actually, my first intro to an emacs style editor was Epsilon (http://www.lugaru.com/) back in the early 80s. I found it to be *much* better than ed/edt on VMS. :)
[21:55:33] <TheMightyJuggs> ^ 03Lugaru Software Ltd.
[21:55:57] <mrcoolbp> ?
[21:56:13] <Bytram> NotSanguine_: FWIW, I once found over 30 typos in a printed copy of the Bible... I can usually find something "worng" with anything.
[21:56:14] <mrcoolbp> lol who changed the damn bots name
[21:56:18] <NotSanguine_> I'll take care of the "ZME" bit and save it again
[21:56:28] <mrcoolbp> .voice NotSanguine_
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[21:56:31] <Bytram> prolly juggs
[21:56:39] <mrcoolbp> .voice cmn32480
[21:56:53] <mrcoolbp> .voice cmn32480|afk
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[21:56:59] <Bytram> used to be "juggler" which would complicate trying to get an autocomplete with his nick and end up having people sending msgs to the bot instead of to him.
[21:57:08] <Bytram> yes, I remember using Epsilon
[21:57:19] <Bytram> I'd already used emacs for years
[21:57:50] <Bytram> prior to that, I'd learned to edit using TECO and I found the transiton from TECO to EMACS to be pretty straightforward.
[21:59:26] <Bytram> btw, I like the 'dept' line you came up with, too!
[21:59:54] <NotSanguine_> Another Who fan, eh? Good.
[21:59:59] <Bytram> Who?
[22:00:10] <janrinok_in_bed> can I say that I liked it too, or will I be sent back to the bed I'm already in?
[22:00:17] <NotSanguine_> Roger, Pete, Keith and John?
[22:00:37] <NotSanguine_> That's 'Who'
[22:00:47] <janrinok_in_bed> i even sang it when I read it
[22:00:48] <NotSanguine_> Thanks janrinok_in_bed
[22:00:59] <Bytram> ted n carol n bob m alice or somesuch
[22:01:18] <Bytram> sounds like I'm channeling a 60's cryptology conference
[22:01:26] <janrinok_in_bed> damn, that is a lot of memories in a few lines of chat
[22:01:31] <NotSanguine_> You're just yanking my chain aren't you bytram?
[22:01:41] <NotSanguine_> Don't stop
[22:02:40] <Bytram> NotSanguine_: that's more than I imagined, but it's just fine!
[22:02:58] <Bytram> I was thnking of just including "ZME Science" as plain text in there someplace
[22:03:10] <Bytram> including the link, too, is fine.
[22:03:15] <Bytram> uncheck the box!
[22:03:24] <NotSanguine_> I did initially, but if it was me, I'd ask "What the hell is ZME science?"
[22:03:31] <NotSanguine_> and then be annoyed when I had to google
[22:03:35] <Bytram> RTFS
[22:03:38] <Bytram> =)
[22:03:57] <Bytram> putting yourself in the reader's shoes -- wonderful.
[22:04:05] <NotSanguine_> I did uncheck the box
[22:04:08] <NotSanguine_> it's gray
[22:04:11] <Bytram> and saved?
[22:04:20] <NotSanguine_> Yes dad.
[22:04:29] <NotSanguine_> Sorry
[22:04:29] <Bytram> now junior...
[22:04:31] <janrinok_in_bed> lol
[22:04:45] <janrinok_in_bed> send him to bed!
[22:05:00] <Bytram> that's enough from *you*, young man!@
[22:05:04] <NotSanguine_> I try not to make the same mistake more than eight or nine times.
[22:05:19] <janrinok_in_bed> I;ve not been called young for quite a while now
[22:06:25] <Bytram> there's a delay between when things are checked in the edit window, and when the various daemons get around to seeing the change and moving things along
[22:06:27] <NotSanguine_> Shall I release the hounds..I mean article, or do you want to do the honors, bytram?
[22:06:39] <Bytram> be my guest!
[22:08:03] <Bytram> ugh, /me is *really* tired. I said "uncheck the box" when I meant "check the box" -- let 'er rip!
[22:08:06] <NotSanguine_> Done. Scheduled for 3/28 13:40
[22:08:31] <janrinok_in_bed> looking good
[22:08:34] <Bytram> huh? you changed the time?
[22:08:40] <NotSanguine_> Better get some rest old man
[22:08:41] <cmn32480|afk> Congrats on your first post NotSanguine_
[22:08:57] <NotSanguine_> Thanks cmn32480
[22:09:08] <Bytram> NotSanguine_: no need to have changed the time -- there was a nice slot right were it was!
[22:09:09] <NotSanguine_> I did change the time.
[22:09:14] <cmn32480|afk> I'll be doing the same thign this evening after my monsters go to bed
[22:09:39] * janrinok_in_bed is just checking if someone is on his lawn
[22:09:43] <NotSanguine_> I figured since it wasn't time-sensitive, I'd spread it out after the last approved story
[22:09:52] <Bytram> we've got a gap from 19:07 to 22:51 on 2/27 where it would fitin just fine.
[22:09:59] <Bytram> it's 22:09 or so right now
[22:10:11] <Bytram> so if you'd like, I'll move it ahead.
[22:10:33] <Bytram> nvm
[22:10:36] <NotSanguine_> I'm confused
[22:10:42] <Bytram> I don't even know what time it is
[22:10:53] <Bytram> I just realized what time it is rightnow.
[22:10:56] <NotSanguine_> I thought we wanted to spread stuff out so that new stories have a chance to get comments?
[22:10:59] <Bytram> never mind my last comment.
[22:11:07] <Bytram> yes, you are right.
[22:11:16] <Bytram> I thought I saw a gap between stories,
[22:11:29] <Bytram> but lost sight of the passing of time and that the gap I saw had effectively closed
[22:11:43] <Bytram> so, it's fine right where it is.
[22:12:18] <NotSanguine_> Cool. I think some prune juice and a nap would do you good about now, no?
[22:12:23] <Bytram> I congratulate you on your posting your first story to SoylentNews PBC!
[22:12:33] <Bytram> nap, yes.
[22:12:47] <NotSanguine_> Thank you sir! It was made much easier thanks to you
[22:12:51] <Bytram> I've had about 4-5 hrs sleep each night for the past 3 nights.
[22:13:02] <Bytram> methinks it has done caught up with me!
[22:13:29] <janrinok_in_bed> well, I really will go now - cheers all
[22:13:36] <Bytram> janrinok_in_bed: ciao!
[22:13:40] <NotSanguine_> It's Friday night, so herbal tea and sleep will do you good. Have a good night, sir
[22:13:55] <Bytram> c'mon, I'm not *that* old!
[22:13:56] <janrinok_in_bed> I;m hoping to
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[22:14:27] <Bytram|away> janrinok_in_bed: thanks for your work in helping the new Ed's get up-to-speed
[22:14:52] <Bytram|away> mrcoolbp: I hear you've been doing some training, too... thanks bunches!
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[22:16:57] <NotSanguine_> cmn32480" are you still around?
[22:17:23] <cmn32480|afk> I am in and out at the moment
[22:17:33] <cmn32480|afk> somebody has to cook dinner tonight
[22:17:35] <NotSanguine_> I'm going to use something other than HexChat and will let you know how it goes. Please let me know how Hexchat works for ou
[22:17:40] <NotSanguine_> you
[22:17:45] <cmn32480|afk> will do
[22:18:05] <NotSanguine_> Cool. Enjoy your dinner. later on
[22:18:07] <cmn32480|afk> so far, it has worked pretty well. I had to change the colors to a black background
[22:18:17] <cmn32480|afk> but other than that it was easy
[22:18:25] <NotSanguine_> See y'all later from a real IRC client
[22:18:31] <NotSanguine_> thanks!
[22:18:37] <cmn32480|afk> hehe. Nice job NotSanguine_
[22:19:16] <NotSanguine_> Thank you sir. Time for a shower now...you coming or what?
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[22:28:33] <NotSanguine> Is this thing on?
[22:28:50] <cmn32480|afk> NotSanguine I just finished cleaning all the iced tea off my monitors.
[22:29:00] <cmn32480|afk> ]PLeae don't type that stuff while I'm drinking
[22:29:28] <NotSanguine> That's what you get for drinking "on the job"
[22:29:51] <NotSanguine> I'm using Nettalk now BTW
[22:34:09] <cmn32480|afk> OK. let me know how it goes
[22:34:26] <cmn32480|afk> Been running back and forth to the grill and now have all three kids eating
[22:34:43] <NotSanguine> So far, so good. No boom. Yet.
[22:35:11] <NotSanguine> Only eating three kids tonight? Not so hungry eh?
[22:35:18] <cmn32480|afk> I'll keep and ear out. but it is time for me to eat while they are hot
[22:35:32] <cmn32480|afk> kinda like Girl scout cookies... made with real Girl Scouts
[22:35:49] <cmn32480|afk> back in a while!
[22:36:03] <NotSanguine> I'm outa here myself. Have a good night.
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[23:08:17] <Phoenix666> hi guys
[23:09:07] <Phoenix666> i think i hit a limit on submissions, because the option to submit disappeared.
[23:09:19] <Phoenix666> or maybe it's because we have enough in the pipeline...?
[23:14:36] <mrcoolbp> Hi Phoenix666
[23:14:48] <mrcoolbp> that's odd, let's see
[23:15:00] <mrcoolbp> http://soylentnews.org
[23:15:01] <TheMightyJuggs> ^ 03SoylentNews Submissions
[23:15:24] <mrcoolbp> Phoenix666 what happens when you go there?
[23:15:32] <Phoenix666> Direct link works
[23:15:45] <Phoenix666> but the option to "send in your scoop" isn't appearing for me
[23:15:51] <mrcoolbp> aH
[23:15:56] <mrcoolbp> that's called the "nagger"
[23:16:07] <mrcoolbp> it appears when there's < 20 submissions I think
[23:16:19] <mrcoolbp> The link should always be in the left nav bar under "Submit Story"
[23:16:26] <Phoenix666> got it
[23:16:37] <mrcoolbp> you broked it!
[23:16:40] <mrcoolbp> = )
[23:16:51] <mrcoolbp> actually you made the nagger so happy it stopped nagging
[23:17:41] <Phoenix666> excellent
[23:17:56] <mrcoolbp> nice work sir.
[23:18:30] <mrcoolbp> we got three new eds to feed your submissions to as well
[23:18:41] <mrcoolbp> so "yay" all around
[23:18:44] <Phoenix666> awesome
[23:20:15] <Phoenix666> so accepted stories run through to 1:40am EST tomorrow, so if all 20 submissions were accepted that would carry us through to approx. 8am EST Sunday, so we need about 16 more
[23:20:31] <Phoenix666> to get us through to 8am EST Monday
[23:21:13] <mrcoolbp> Phoenix666: remember we slow down the queue on the weekend to 1-2 hours or even more if we need
[23:21:23] <mrcoolbp> weekends tend to be slow news/reader-wise
[23:21:43] <Phoenix666> right, i was running with 1.5 hour intervals
[23:22:12] <mrcoolbp> well you've been working overtime on the story submissions, don't burn yourself out
[23:22:53] <Phoenix666> no worries there. trying to set up the new editors so you and janrinok can knock off for a while and get some R&R
[23:23:31] <Phoenix666> i've gotten into the rhythm a bit now, too
[23:24:10] cmn32480|afk is now known as cmn32480
[23:24:30] <cmn32480> we do appreciate it Phoenix666
[23:24:38] <Phoenix666> np
[23:25:29] <Phoenix666> i think there's enough now to carry through to Sunday morning, so I'll do a few more tonight and check back in again Sunday
[23:42:17] <mrcoolbp> cool, I won't be around much of the weekend, just here and there
[23:42:22] * mrcoolbp has to run out in a few
[23:46:45] <Phoenix666> later!
[23:48:44] <mrcoolbp> have a good one, talk soon
[23:53:05] <cmn32480> anybody wanna take a look at my first try? #7 in the story queue Highly nutritious Chocolate...
[23:59:45] <cmn32480> coolhand: what is your time zone?