#editorial | Logs for 2015-03-20
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[00:02:33] <mrcoolbp> great, freaking exhausted but great
[00:02:44] <mrcoolbp> what can I do for you today?
[00:04:03] <Phoenix666> nah just checking in on the editor thing.
[00:05:22] <Phoenix666> i've been working on keeping the submissions pipeline full
[00:06:08] <Phoenix666> i can keep doing that if you guys are ok on the editor side.
[00:07:26] <mrcoolbp> oh yeah, like I said, great submissions make editing easy, mucho thanks-o
[00:10:55] <Phoenix666> np! perhaps i'll stick to that role for now, then, and if you guys still need help on the editor side just holler
[00:12:41] <mrcoolbp> Poenix666: well we do need help, but I am not allowed to give you privs yet ; p
[00:14:14] <Phoenix666> i'm not in a rush and not trying to be pushy.
[00:14:50] <Phoenix666> what's the best way to take next steps?
[00:15:38] <Phoenix666> should i continue with submissions and you guys drop me a line if/when you want to give me privs?
[00:16:24] <Phoenix666> i want to make sure i'm checking the right mailbox :)
[00:18:06] <mrcoolbp> I have an email starting with da and ending in o.com
[00:18:13] <mrcoolbp> (from your user account)
[00:20:12] <Phoenix666> cool, that's me.
[00:20:14] <mrcoolbp> And you're not being pushy. I want to help, but proper channels yaknow
[00:20:20] <Phoenix666> sure, sure
[00:20:37] <Phoenix666> i've been poking my nose back in here because i wasn't sure
[00:21:31] <mrcoolbp> Phoenix666: let's see, where did we leave off last time
[00:21:56] <mrcoolbp> I show 5 stories posted to dev
[00:22:16] <mrcoolbp> let's get rid of the ones we don't want to show LaminatorX
[00:22:22] <Phoenix666> OK
[00:22:24] <Phoenix666> :)
[00:22:25] <mrcoolbp> unless we want to show him all of them
[00:22:55] <Phoenix666> doesn't matter. there have been a lot of hiccups on dev and i think they're not my best work
[00:23:17] <Phoenix666> submissions to live site are probably more representative, though those are of course mine and not edits of another's
[00:23:36] <mrcoolbp> okay, well what do you want to show the EiC as your "final project" so to speak? I'd prefer it not be your own submission
[00:24:40] <Phoenix666> dunno. maybe it's best to grab another tranche off the live server's pipeline that aren't from me and let me work on them on dev?
[00:26:23] <mrcoolbp> whatever you like sir, just let me know which one
[00:27:39] <Phoenix666> doesn't matter. the more unclear they are, the better a test it would be, i suppose.
[00:28:08] <mrcoolbp> aye, let me find a fair one
[00:28:58] <mrcoolbp> Phoenix666 in the _story_ list - Crowdsourcing the Transcription of CIA Documents, did you look at that already?
[00:30:08] <mrcoolbp> hmm, not seeing it
[00:30:13] <mrcoolbp> sec
[00:30:46] <Phoenix666> np--afk 10
[00:31:19] <mrcoolbp> https://dev.soylentnews.org
[00:31:20] <NetCraft> ^ 03SN (dev) article: Phoenix666 - Training - Crowdsourcing the Transcription of CIA Documents
[00:31:23] <mrcoolbp> lol
[00:55:27] <mrcoolbp> ooh, looks like they got spellcheck working
[00:57:51] <Phoenix666> sorry, back.
[00:58:10] <Phoenix666> ok, i cleaned up some punctuation on that one
[00:58:39] <mrcoolbp> let me know when it's "ready to go out" = )
[00:58:42] <Phoenix666> not really sure how to sex it up, so i tried to give a little more info on the age of the documents in question instead
[00:59:38] <Phoenix666> it's ready to go out, but not sure how many comments it would draw.
[01:00:06] <Phoenix666> btw there's a bug: you have to keep re-entering the Topic everytime you hit Preview
[01:00:14] <mrcoolbp> eew
[01:01:48] <mrcoolbp> that's no bueno
[01:01:57] <mrcoolbp> okay, well ignore the topic for now
[01:02:13] <Phoenix666> how's it look?
[01:03:21] <mrcoolbp> we are looking at the CIA one right?
[01:03:30] <Phoenix666> yeah
[01:04:28] <mrcoolbp> " government transparecy " = )
[01:04:54] <Phoenix666> got it
[01:05:58] <Phoenix666> i was looking at raw with tags
[01:06:17] <Phoenix666> easier to miss there
[01:06:38] <mrcoolbp> yes, Azrael showed me a WYSISYG extension for the editing panel
[01:06:51] <mrcoolbp> but I always hit preview and re-read after each edit = )
[01:07:07] <mrcoolbp> 2. also, if you are not US-based, "The National Archives" is ambiguous, we could in this case choose to denote that.
[01:08:07] <Phoenix666> good point
[01:09:20] <Phoenix666> alright, let me try snowden asylum one
[01:10:11] <Phoenix666> do you guys correct others' English if they're non-native speakers?
[01:10:53] <mrcoolbp> that would go back to our discussion last time
[01:12:12] <mrcoolbp> Phoenix666: which line are you talking about
[01:12:56] <mrcoolbp> I thought you were talking about quoted material, yes in this case it looks like the submitter is a non-native
[01:13:03] <paulej72> we are bi lingual here. we speak american and british
[01:13:30] <Phoenix666> :)
[01:13:39] <Phoenix666> "But I didn't find a better headline anyway."
[01:13:50] <mrcoolbp> yes excellent point paulej72. Phoenix666: if the style of the article is UK, the rest of the article should follow that standard
[01:14:00] <mrcoolbp> Phoenix666: yeah that's what I was looking at too
[01:14:05] <Phoenix666> I changed it to, "But I couldn't find a better headline."
[01:14:25] <Phoenix666> So, I'm more copy-editing here
[01:14:29] <mrcoolbp> Phoenix666: I agree. Early on we realized as editors we were going to have to expand and improve on submitter writing
[01:14:45] <paulej72> the first was perfect american, there was nothing wrong
[01:15:20] <paulej72> "But I didn't find a better headline, anyway."
[01:15:28] <mrcoolbp> As long as we are not putting words in their mouth (e.g. adding a slant perhaps on their behalf), then improving on their writing is a bonus
[01:16:06] <mrcoolbp> paulej72 is closer to the original, and still somewhat correct, but we are nearly splitting hairs here
[01:16:32] <mrcoolbp> s/somewhat/techinically if-not-slightly awkard but/
[01:16:35] <Phoenix666> the construction felt clumsy, and changing it made it smoother without changing the meaning
[01:16:44] <mrcoolbp> exactly
[01:16:49] <mrcoolbp> that's the goal
[01:16:58] <paulej72> I am just saying that I would not have changed it as that looks normal to me, although not “correct”
[01:17:11] <mrcoolbp> "not colloquial"
[01:17:17] <mrcoolbp> kinda awkward etc.
[01:17:23] <paulej72> but I am dev not an ed
[01:17:59] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: nah you are on-point
[01:22:51] <mrcoolbp> Phoenix666: not to interrupt, Some (good) submissions only needs copy editing. Some I've posted as-is. Some submissions are just a link (where we'd have to research a bit and write the summary from scratch). It varies heavily.
[01:23:52] <Phoenix666> np, i'm trying to untangle the last paragraph of the submitter's comments. i'm tempted to say i'd want to message him and ask him to clarify
[01:24:34] <mrcoolbp> hehe
[01:25:05] <mrcoolbp> Phoenix666: http://soylentnews.org
[01:25:06] <NetCraft> ^ 03SN comment by mrcoolbp (68)
[01:26:58] <Phoenix666> ok, i think that one's ready...take a look?
[01:27:24] <mrcoolbp> yar
[01:28:08] <mrcoolbp> while I do that, check display on the stories you think we want to show LamX, and undisplay the rest of yours
[01:28:28] <Phoenix666> k
[01:29:49] <Phoenix666> "Internal Server Error"
[01:29:56] <Phoenix666> am i jinxing this machine?
[01:30:43] <mrcoolbp> sec
[01:30:49] <mrcoolbp> try again
[01:31:27] <mrcoolbp> (remember, we just put up a fresh, untested version of this code)
[01:32:33] <Phoenix666> it keeps losing my login state
[01:32:52] <Phoenix666> maybe this is the system's way of saying, "come to the dev side..."
[01:33:05] <mrcoolbp> eek, try clearing the browser cache and restarting it
[01:37:37] <Phoenix666> ok, i think that undisplays the ones the last couple of days, and leaves the two tonight
[01:38:53] <mrcoolbp> okay, so for the snowden asylum one, we missed a big one
[01:39:04] <Phoenix666> ?
[01:39:07] <mrcoolbp> "From the ministry-of-freedom-department:"
[01:39:38] <Phoenix666> ?
[01:39:49] <mrcoolbp> nothing wrong with the dept, but you have it in the "Intro Copy" (submitter included it to suggest that dept), but it needs to go in the right field
[01:40:26] <mrcoolbp> currently we don't have a way for submitters to populate that field (like they can do with the title), so often they will suggest one in the body of their submission
[01:40:31] <Phoenix666> got it
[01:42:54] <Phoenix666> alright, i think i need to clock out for today. i'll take another crack at it tomorrow and keep practicing with submissions. thanks, mrcoolbp!
[01:43:10] <mrcoolbp> no prob, I'll be around tomorrow
[01:43:12] <mrcoolbp> ping me
[01:43:19] <Phoenix666> will do
[01:43:22] <Phoenix666> night!
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[14:57:46] <mrcoolbp> hey janrionk
[14:57:57] <mrcoolbp> ug, I can't even type today
[14:58:00] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: hi how are you today
[14:58:10] <mrcoolbp> tired
[14:58:25] <mrcoolbp> I'm fine tho, just need coffee and breakfast I suppose
[14:58:32] <janrinok> you're still not getting enough sleep?
[14:59:18] <mrcoolbp> I just work too much at $job
[14:59:48] <janrinok> I'm sorry to hear that, but I am pleased that I have left that particular problem behind me
[15:10:41] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: can we prepare another story for him to edit? I'd like to focus on copy editing rather than expanding a story
[15:11:12] <janrinok> OK
[15:12:32] <mrcoolbp> gonna grab morning foodstuffs
[15:42:25] <mrcoolbp> janrionk: the bmw i3 story isn't that bad, the anecdote at the end I'm not liking
[15:42:38] <mrcoolbp> needs reword
[15:44:08] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: not seen yet. I'm making up some stories for Pheonix666 - with intentional errors etc in the story queue on dev. Still cannot enter subs as we would like to do.
[15:44:22] <mrcoolbp> aye, that's a shame
[15:45:16] <mrcoolbp> looks like they are fixing the topics at least
[15:45:24] <mrcoolbp> we can pester them about the submissions thing next
[15:45:26] <mrcoolbp> = )
[15:46:06] <janrinok> but we are getting 500 errors - I think because NC is also working on the system. If Phoenix666 turns up for training it'll probably be best to touch base with NC to see what he is proposing to do that might affect training.
[15:46:19] <mrcoolbp> aye
[15:46:24] * mrcoolbp emails TLA
[15:47:26] <janrinok> is bery back up now?
[15:49:00] <janrinok> Checking my emails - 7 SPAM and nothing of interest. I can't even get a bigger penis....
[15:50:16] <mrcoolbp> = (
[15:50:41] <mrcoolbp> not sure
[15:50:53] <mrcoolbp> I can't follow the dev speak right now
[15:51:27] <mrcoolbp> still nothing from CowboyNeal
[15:52:09] <mrcoolbp> 15 days since he got the questions, and 10 days since he sent me an update "still working on these, haven't forgot"
[15:52:27] <mrcoolbp> ^16 days
[15:52:40] <janrinok> no - well, I understand it, but can't help solve it! No, I've not heard from cactus either, have you?
[15:53:02] <mrcoolbp> no
[15:53:06] <janrinok> CN is perhaps a busy man - although I don't know what he is doing now
[15:53:15] <mrcoolbp> he is busy he said
[15:53:31] <mrcoolbp> This is the 2nd time Cactus said he'd come back but hasn't = (
[15:53:49] <janrinok> ah, patience grasshopper
[15:54:21] <janrinok> I can't remember why he left, was there some animosity?
[15:54:26] <mrcoolbp> nope
[15:54:30] <mrcoolbp> not that I recall
[15:54:46] <mrcoolbp> I think phil left in frustration over the vote thing
[15:54:53] <mrcoolbp> but he's kinda lurked around since then
[15:55:11] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: out of the 9 ed volunteers, we actually got 2 that are waiting on Lamx, which isn't bad
[15:55:43] <janrinok> no, but I hope he doesn't sit on them too long, they might think that they are not wanted
[15:56:48] <mrcoolbp> he said 7 days I think, lemme check when I sent the first notification to him
[15:56:50] <janrinok> LamX has posted a few stories earlier, so I hope he pops up here before going away for the weekend.
[15:57:14] <mrcoolbp> been about 7 days already
[15:59:05] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: PM
[16:39:31] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: want I should edit some stories for tomorrow?
[16:39:52] <mrcoolbp> if we spend an hour or so, we can probably bust a bunch out together
[16:42:13] <janrinok> i've got to go in a few minutes but back on later.
[16:42:48] <mrcoolbp> k, I'll try to bust some out
[16:43:40] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: have you seen that 2nd story down the subs page with the same subject as your current edit (BMW I3)?
[16:44:00] <mrcoolbp> that's the one I was editing I thought
[16:44:20] <mrcoolbp> I think it stays there till I click "save"
[16:44:22] <janrinok> there are 2 on the page, the second suggests a merge but I haven't looked at either
[16:45:35] <janrinok> nurse is here - got to go. bbl,
[16:45:39] <mrcoolbp> I see it now, okay later
[16:45:40] <mrcoolbp> thx
[16:45:51] janrinok is now known as janrinok|afk
[17:03:26] <mrcoolbp> janrinok|afk: looks like they fixed submissions on dev too!
[17:57:54] * mrcoolbp submits a bunch of stories to dev for editors to train on
[18:17:45] <mrcoolbp> janrinok|afk : bunch of submissions on dev of varying difficulty = )
[18:19:58] <mrcoolbp> janrinok|afk : also I (finally) got an email back from Pax681, he may begin training soon. Going to go ahead and hook him up with editor bits on dev so he can start him training whenever
[19:06:16] janrinok|afk is now known as janrinok
[19:07:16] <janrinok> just back reading now
[19:11:56] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: I have stuff to do later so if you still want to go on an editing binge now I'm game
[19:14:08] * mrcoolbp merges and works on bmw storw
[19:15:31] <janrinok> already editing :)
[19:15:43] <mrcoolbp> yay
[19:20:00] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: can you submit this story as AC to Dev server? http://soylentnews.org
[19:20:01] <NetCraft> ^ 0304SN Submission by Anonymous Coward: vaccination mandatory in France
[19:20:13] <janrinok> ok
[19:20:29] * mrcoolbp abused the submision box and it won't let his IP do so
[19:26:57] <janrinok> you know that the last link in that story is a 404?
[19:27:35] <janrinok> ah, its intermittent - sometimes 404 sometimes a page
[19:28:03] <paulej72> slashdot red
[19:28:16] <paulej72> slashdotted
[19:28:24] <janrinok> k
[19:28:38] <paulej72> autocorrect sucks
[19:30:18] <janrinok> paulej72: if I copy french link into a submission box, it converts it to %C3 etc, and the link no longer works. Is this correct operation or another bug?
[19:30:47] <janrinok> i.e. do I have to type the diacritics manually?
[19:31:07] <paulej72> it's,a known bug high as ii is getting converted to entities
[19:31:29] <janrinok> k thx - I'll try to stop finding such things.....
[19:39:10] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: I've posted that story but a known bug stops the french link from working
[19:39:48] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: that's an interesting challenge for the new eds = )
[19:40:04] <janrinok> lol - I like your cruel streak ;)
[19:40:26] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: if you add in any more, don't include "for training" I want them to appear as normal as possible to give them "real-world" practice
[19:40:48] <mrcoolbp> mine only include instructions to delete the first byline
[19:41:07] <janrinok> ok - I just didn't want anyone else to delete them
[19:41:34] <mrcoolbp> apparently they didn't get the message in the past to remove "training" etc. from the headlines, I figure we remove that annoying obstacle
[19:41:58] <janrinok> yes, lets keep it KISS at first
[19:42:41] <janrinok> they could always label it 'For Training Only - Do Not Release' - that is bound to be safe - NOT :)
[19:43:25] <janrinok> http://soylentnews.org
[19:43:25] <NetCraft> " 03SoylentNews | Janrinok - FOR TRAINING ONLY - do not release!
[19:49:09] <paulej72> i blame the french for using illegal chrs in in their urls
[19:49:48] <janrinok> ah, internationalization - a marvellous idea
[19:53:22] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: this bmw story is taking me longer than I thought
[19:53:44] <janrinok> is that a good longer or a bad longer?
[19:58:35] <mrcoolbp> dunno, I just "saved" it
[19:58:50] * mrcoolbp only has another hour 'fore he has to go
[19:59:29] <janrinok> I've got about 30 mins but tomorrow's stories are looking much healthier. Did you notice that LamX has posted one?
[20:00:24] <mrcoolbp> aye, he does those ninja editing jobs
[20:00:35] <janrinok> ...like a shadow....
[20:12:51] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: that BMW story looks a good story to me. I hadn't read the subs and the story convinced me to read it all
[20:13:13] <mrcoolbp> thanks, I take my job(s) seriously = )
[20:13:23] <janrinok> what, _all_ of them?
[20:15:32] <mrcoolbp> I try
[20:15:44] * mrcoolbp makes a few more quick edits to his BMW summary
[20:18:57] * mrcoolbp moves the link to bmw.com to the first mention of the car name, adds a period after arstechinica, and cleans up links on the second submission
[20:19:00] <mrcoolbp> ah that's better
[20:19:45] <janrinok> at this rate, you'll have Saturday's stories ready by Sunday ;)
[20:20:08] <mrcoolbp> = (
[20:20:35] <mrcoolbp> was my first merge I think
[20:21:28] <janrinok> yes, you had a bad one there - a good story but a difficult merge
[20:22:30] * mrcoolbp tries another
[20:22:37] <janrinok> I hope that people read TFAs - because all of the links point to interesting material
[20:24:04] <janrinok> I've got to go for today. I'll put some more subs on dev tomorrow, and check the story queues as usual on the site itself. Have a good one, and enjoy your weekend.
[20:28:59] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: ^
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