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[02:12:20] <n1> hi Bytram
[02:12:48] <Bytram> n1: g'day!
[02:12:59] <Bytram> actually, tis morning for ya, right?
[02:13:18] <n1> well, 2:13
[02:13:23] <n1> how are you?
[02:15:08] <Bytram> knackered. just had a *long* day at work. It was drizzling rain just after I got to work and now it's down right steady.
[02:15:22] * Bytram notes that it is an improvement over the snow we'd been getting!
[02:15:25] <paulej72> at least it rain
[02:16:15] <n1> time to relax now!
[02:16:28] <Bytram> they're saving the snow for later tonight. :P
[02:18:52] <Bytram> though, from the looks of the weather radar, I'm might have some clearing in about an hour or so: http://images.intellicast.com
[02:27:09] <n1> i dont understand the weather
[02:27:40] <Bytram> me neither :/
[02:28:02] <Bytram> but as for the map, the greens are rain and the whitish-blues are snow
[02:29:33] <n1> it looks like the snow is going away
[02:30:03] <Bytram> and that is the difference between the weather 'forecast' and what is actually happening
[02:30:20] * Bytram goes to prepare some dinner
[02:30:21] <Bytram> biab
[02:30:27] <n1> i try to stick to places with boring weather cycles :)
[02:30:33] <n1> enjoy!
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[03:49:05] <Bytram|away> n1: bedtime for me... I just realized I forgot to ask how *your* day was! Hope it went well!!
[03:49:09] <Bytram|away> g'night all
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[12:06:02] <janrinok> If anyone is looking for training - just ping me please
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[13:16:15] <janrinok> If anyone is looking for training - just ping me please
[13:18:30] <paulej72> If anyone is looking for training - just ping janrinok please
[13:18:45] <paulej72> :)
[13:18:52] <paulej72> good morning janrinok
[13:21:01] <janrinok> paulej72: hi, how's things?
[13:21:44] <paulej72> not bad, I got some sleep last nigh so that is a bonus
[13:21:55] <paulej72> how are thing for you today?
[13:22:11] <janrinok> good to hear - do you and audioguy get things sorted yesterday?
[13:22:34] <paulej72> think so
[13:22:58] <janrinok> still tired here, but I don't think that will change in the short term. But thx anyway, the influx of new eds should help considerably once they come on line
[13:23:23] <paulej72> it is amlost easier to break things and force people to come and fix them if they want their service back :)
[13:23:25] <janrinok> audioguy sounded a little miffed at one point
[13:23:46] <janrinok> but I like your thinking
[13:24:08] <paulej72> yea, but noone was using his services and he has not been around much lately
[13:24:28] <janrinok> true
[13:25:02] <janrinok> did you get the certs problem resolved too?
[13:25:04] <paulej72> I would have not been so reckless on one of the production servers
[13:25:16] <janrinok> of course not ;)
[13:26:16] <paulej72> certs are still up in the air. I would love to get a wilcard cert for that box, but staff level stuff just requires a bypass of the cert warnings
[13:26:35] <janrinok> we can all cope with that I would imagine
[13:27:13] <paulej72> but is is a pain on some browsers as you can’t easly make a permanent exception.
[13:28:15] <janrinok> really? I must try to avoid such browsers
[13:28:46] <paulej72> Chrome is one
[13:30:15] <janrinok> someone must have actually thought about that and made a decision not to implement it, but I cannot immediately see the benefits of the chosen course of action. By all means default to a secure mode, but give the user that ability to change it if necessary...
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[17:03:04] <n1> howdy
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[18:48:00] <janrinok> hi nick, you still here?
[18:48:07] <n1> i am
[18:48:12] <n1> just doing some stories for tomorrow
[18:48:17] <n1> how goes things?
[18:48:32] <janrinok> not bad, a reasonably quiet day, how about you?
[18:49:01] <n1> pretty good, been weirdly productive for a sunday
[18:49:30] <n1> finally got around to concluding the reason my PC has random crashes is because of a bad stick of RAM
[18:49:31] <janrinok> at work, or at home
[18:49:41] <n1> at home
[18:50:09] <janrinok> and you had some spare RAM just sitting around?
[18:50:33] <n1> after doing some memtests ive now just taken out the one that was causing issues
[18:51:00] <n1> this system still has 12GB
[18:51:23] <Bytram> janrinok: hi there!
[18:51:47] <Bytram> You sure were busy! Took me a while to second-read all the stories you pushed to the site...
[18:51:54] <Bytram> I can't imagine how long the *editing* took!
[18:52:17] <n1> he's an editing machine
[18:52:26] <janrinok> hi Bytram
[18:52:28] <Bytram> nod nod
[18:52:31] <Bytram> janrinok++
[18:52:31] <Bender> karma - janrinok: 23
[18:52:34] <Bytram> janrinok: g'day!
[18:53:14] <Bytram> testing moderation changes is a lot more work than anticipated, but I'm plugging along.
[18:53:15] <janrinok> I took quite a while to do them, but I'm glad I got them out of the way early. I've been able to enjoy my weekend.
[18:53:41] <Bytram> So glad to hear you're enjoying your weekend!
[18:53:46] <n1> oh, janrinok just warning.. tuesday i'll probably not be around, very important meeting, if i am it wont be until late in the evening.
[18:57:01] <janrinok> ok, I'll cover it
[18:57:17] <janrinok> sry, still doing 3 or 4 things at once at the moment
[18:57:34] <n1> i'll be around tomorrow, so it shouldn't be an issue if we're running ahead like we are now
[18:57:44] <Bytram> I have a short day on tues, though I have some evening plans...
[18:57:50] <janrinok> we don't appear to have had an attack of the trolls today. I wonder if my story had a secondary effect?
[18:57:53] <Bytram> I can prolly push a few stories out if that'd help
[18:58:03] <Bytram> on tuesday, that is
[18:58:08] <janrinok> Bytram: anything will help, thx
[18:58:14] <n1> would be appreciated
[18:58:14] <Bytram> my pleasure!
[18:58:30] <n1> i actually missed the call about this meeting first time around, because i was doing editor training!
[18:58:50] <n1> but that was more the fault of the dog that jumped on me at the same time, rather than the training making me miss it
[18:58:54] <janrinok> I hope that didn't cost you money
[18:58:57] <Bytram> it seems whenever I look to see how the story queue is, one of you pushed out 6 or 8 stories, and we're covered well into the future!
[18:59:34] <n1> no problems, just annoying that i missed it after waiting nearly 2 weeks for it
[18:59:48] <janrinok> we're just trying something different. The empty submissions queue encourages more subs, and we have the stories planned for the next 24 hours or so with spaces for urgent bits
[19:00:09] <n1> but it's all booked in for tuesday now, and if it goes well it could keep me busy enough for the rest of the year along with the festivals
[19:00:11] <Bytram> do you have a simple means to tell where the 'gaps' are?
[19:00:24] <janrinok> good luck with that then nick
[19:00:30] * Bytram wishes there was a delat-time-in-minutes column so I could tell more easily
[19:00:38] <n1> Bytram, we're not leaving gaps as such, but i think we're more inclined to move the queue around now
[19:00:41] <Bytram> n1: best of luck with that!
[19:00:42] <janrinok> Bytram: no, just enough space to move stories around if we have to
[19:00:48] <Bytram> nod nod
[19:01:10] <n1> if a story is time sensitive or 'breaking' or urgent, then it jumps the queue
[19:01:16] <Bytram> k
[19:01:24] <n1> before it was less of an issue, but now we're running ahead like we are
[19:01:34] <n1> it's something we need to consider when appropriate
[19:01:42] <Bytram> and the other stories? just push one to the end, or shift a few around time-wise to 'flow' around it?
[19:01:52] <n1> i'd say go with whatever feels right
[19:01:53] <janrinok> I haven't had to post a story since yesterday morning, and nick has just taken us up to tomorrow evening (UTC)
[19:02:04] <n1> i dont have any issues with moving my stories around however anyone sees fit
[19:02:16] <n1> but i do try and order them in a way that there's a spread of topics
[19:02:20] <janrinok> as long as it works - do it
[19:02:29] <n1> but im not going to be territorial over it
[19:02:46] <Bytram> part of my concern is moving a story that should not be... but I just had an idea...
[19:02:55] <janrinok> if we discover that this is a better way of doing it, I might try to write a guide explaining how it works
[19:03:10] <Bytram> we try and vary the start times to keep the site from being too predictable, right?
[19:03:21] <janrinok> nothing clever, just trying to ease the pressure on eds a little
[19:03:29] <janrinok> Bytram: yep
[19:03:36] <Bytram> what if we, when it is important that a story go out at a particular time, set the start time to be :00 :15 :30 or :45 ??
[19:03:39] <n1> Bytram, i dont think there are many stories that shouldn't be moved
[19:03:43] <n1> only the meta stories really
[19:04:33] <Bytram> agreed, but it would be nice to have a way to know, and since we lack a 'story comment box' for stories (much like we do have for submissions)...
[19:04:44] <n1> i suggested that the other day
[19:04:48] <janrinok> Bytram: I'll give that some thought, but it will take a while for it to filter through to all the other eds. I don't want to confuse the 3 coming online soon
[19:04:50] <n1> you didnt seem too convinced on the idea
[19:04:55] <Bytram> this could serve as an interim, out-of-band means to communicate, please leave this scheduled, as is.
[19:05:08] <Bytram> oh, I like the idea!
[19:05:14] <janrinok> me? I think it is a good idea
[19:05:29] * Bytram was larady jumping ahead to how to implement it with the screen space that is available
[19:05:38] <n1> i dont think you were there when we discussed it, janrinok
[19:05:38] <Bytram> s/larady/already/
[19:05:52] <n1> oh yeah, i remember that was your main issue with it
[19:05:52] <janrinok> n1: ok
[19:06:06] <janrinok> but it makes sense and I'm happy with it
[19:06:13] <Bytram> and I sensed that the page was already pretty crowded, but the more I thought about it, the more I liked the idea
[19:06:17] <janrinok> better let LamX know what we are thinking
[19:06:27] <n1> i think we were talking about making the editing easier, and it was just a 'wishlist' idea i had
[19:06:33] <n1> to make life easier
[19:06:39] <janrinok> but I don't expect any opposition from there
[19:07:18] <Bytram> hmmm, what if there a single column containing something like: <a href="" title="Comment for the other editors">N</a> in a 'Notes" column?
[19:07:52] <janrinok> When we first started, we used to change <br><br> to </p><p> because it helped formatting on some devices, and it was consistent for searches of the data base. Have we changed that 'rule' - have I missed something?
[19:07:58] <n1> wont that take up as much space as a comment box?
[19:08:25] <n1> janrinok, laminatorx has never changed <br> tags to </p><p> as far as im aware
[19:08:35] <Bytram> n1: nope, just need space for the 'N' -- it's only when you hover the mouse cursor over it, that the text would appear
[19:08:40] <Bytram> just thinking out loud, atm
[19:08:49] <janrinok> all it needs on the stories page is a check box showing that there _is_ information, which could be seen by entering the editor
[19:09:10] <janrinok> well we did in the few few months, but it seemed to stop a long time ago
[19:09:11] <Bytram> janrinok: I used to do that religiously, but got tired of having to fight the system and just let it be.
[19:09:27] <n1> i nearly always change them
[19:09:28] <janrinok> I don't mind, it was the devs that asked us to do it
[19:09:33] <n1> it's only his that i've never seen change them
[19:09:39] <n1> but i think when we were asked to, it was done on here
[19:09:41] <n1> and lamx wasn't here
[19:09:59] <n1> so he never got the message, thats how i remember it anyway
[19:10:01] <Bytram> I have noticed, though, that there are some times when I insert blank lines in a story I am editing, hit preview, and they stay there, and other times, it gerts all mashed into one long string of text.
[19:10:10] <janrinok> quite possibly. And as no-one seems to be complaining when we don't it can't be that important.
[19:10:38] <Bytram> it potentionally makes a difference in a couple arenas, especially with mobile devices...
[19:10:41] <n1> i have told the new eds i trained to change them, but said that it's just the 'right' thing to do, isn't crucial
[19:10:44] <janrinok> Bytram: yes, the editor is satisfactory but could be improved a thousand fold
[19:10:59] <Bytram> by using '<p>', it's easier for the devs to appply CSS styles to consistify the site's appearance
[19:11:15] <Bytram> janrinok: just 1000? ;)
[19:11:16] <n1> yeah, thats what i thought
[19:11:30] <janrinok> makes note of new word - consistify. I like that word, very cromulent
[19:11:55] <Bytram> istm that the blank line preservation depends on whether the user submitted it as 'plain old text' or 'html formatted'
[19:12:11] <janrinok> I think mrcoolbp mentioned a plugin the other day, I've not seen or used it, have you?
[19:12:18] <n1> if it's html formatted, will it keep the </p><p> tags in submissions?
[19:12:20] * Bytram starts to wonder if that really *is* a word!
[19:12:23] <Bytram> brb
[19:12:36] <n1> i've never changed the submission format, but i know it always removed <p> tags when i have
[19:12:43] <janrinok> lol - it wasn't a word, but it is now
[19:12:52] <n1> trying to make editing easier and the system says no!
[19:13:00] <n1> i liek consistify
[19:13:06] <n1> i like liek 2
[19:13:22] <janrinok> lol - and we're the bloody editors!
[19:13:24] * Bytram just checked over a dozen word lists and did not find 'consistify' in any of them.
[19:13:46] <n1> janrinok, i never said i was qualified for this
[19:13:59] <janrinok> it is in _our_ vocabulary now
[19:14:04] <Bytram> and the process by which we implement that would be called: consistification !!
[19:14:12] <janrinok> and I regularly prove that neither am I
[19:14:32] <n1> the consistification dept.
[19:14:35] <n1> is coming soon i assure you
[19:14:59] <janrinok> I suppose Bytram, being in QA, is the chief consistifier?
[19:15:01] <Bytram> and those who go around and mess it all up would be committing inconsistification
[19:15:34] <Bytram> interesting!
[19:15:38] <janrinok> I must try to get that into a story - perhaps on 1st April
[19:15:43] <Bytram> lol
[19:15:58] <janrinok> our own buzzwords!
[19:16:04] <Bytram> bingo!
[19:16:05] <Bytram> =)
[19:16:58] <Bytram> consistiation - the act of making things consistent
[19:17:08] <janrinok> I've not seen any trainees over the weekend, have you?
[19:17:20] * Bytram thinks that sounds too much like a bowel problem
[19:17:21] <janrinok> Bytram: consistification
[19:17:32] <n1> janrinok, i have not
[19:17:38] <Bytram> none for me
[19:17:44] <n1> i just checked dev to see if they'd been doing more pratice
[19:18:01] <janrinok> well, perhaps they're enjoying their weekends while they can muhahahah
[19:18:02] <n1> phone brb
[19:18:10] <janrinok> time for tea - brb
[19:18:52] <Bytram> cya
[19:19:41] <janrinok> bytram - you gone?
[19:19:47] <Bytram> http://nws.merriam-webster.com
[19:19:48] <NetCraft> ^ 03Merriam-Webster Online
[19:19:49] <Bytram> nope
[19:20:01] <janrinok> ah, the cya was for me was it?
[19:20:14] <Bytram> ayuh!
[19:20:36] <Bytram> consistify
[19:20:36] <Bytram> (verb) : to make consistent or congruous
[19:20:36] <Bytram> The author needed to consistify the format before submitting the manuscript.
[19:20:36] <Bytram> Submitted by: Paul Lillebo from North Carolina on Aug. 22, 2012 21:42
[19:21:03] <Bytram> (verb) : to make consistent
[19:21:05] <Bytram> The photos are all different, how can we consistify them?
[19:21:05] <Bytram> Submitted by: Faisal from United Kingdom on Apr. 22, 2008 06:04
[19:21:38] <janrinok> are you serious?
[19:22:01] <Bytram> was apparently submitted to M-W as possible new words
[19:22:40] <janrinok> 'to make consistent' has been fine until now - this is an editorial word, not something that can be used by unskilled linguists. I demand that we have the rights to consistify
[19:22:48] <Bytram> maybe 'congruation', instead?
[19:23:11] <janrinok> well congruency already exists
[19:23:15] <Bytram> or, 'congruate', to make congruent.
[19:23:39] <janrinok> either stop them, or recruit them as editors
[19:23:58] <chromas> Congruificatializing
[19:23:59] <Bytram> LOL!
[19:24:03] <Bytram> thanks for the laugh
[19:24:39] * Bytram is gonna take a break... biab
[19:24:43] <janrinok> k
[20:06:49] <Bytram> nap time
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[20:06:59] <janrinok> have a good sleep
[20:07:16] <Bytram|away> thanks! And a good night to you, too!
[20:07:24] <janrinok> cu tomorrow
[20:07:24] <Bytram|away> Give my best to S, too
[20:07:29] <janrinok> thx - I will
[20:07:31] <Bytram|away> k
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[20:09:29] <janrinok> got to go, bye
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