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[02:12:20] <n1> hi Bytram
[02:12:48] <Bytram> n1: g'day!
[02:12:59] <Bytram> actually, tis morning for ya, right?
[02:13:18] <n1> well, 2:13
[02:13:23] <n1> how are you?
[02:15:08] <Bytram> knackered. just had a *long* day at work. It was drizzling rain just after I got to work and now it's down right steady.
[02:15:22] * Bytram notes that it is an improvement over the snow we'd been getting!
[02:15:25] <paulej72> at least it rain
[02:16:15] <n1> time to relax now!
[02:16:28] <Bytram> they're saving the snow for later tonight. :P
[02:18:52] <Bytram> though, from the looks of the weather radar, I'm might have some clearing in about an hour or so: http://images.intellicast.com
[02:27:09] <n1> i dont understand the weather
[02:27:40] <Bytram> me neither :/
[02:28:02] <Bytram> but as for the map, the greens are rain and the whitish-blues are snow
[02:29:33] <n1> it looks like the snow is going away
[02:30:03] <Bytram> and that is the difference between the weather 'forecast' and what is actually happening
[02:30:20] * Bytram goes to prepare some dinner
[02:30:21] <Bytram> biab
[02:30:27] <n1> i try to stick to places with boring weather cycles :)
[02:30:33] <n1> enjoy!
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[03:49:05] <Bytram|away> n1: bedtime for me... I just realized I forgot to ask how *your* day was! Hope it went well!!
[03:49:09] <Bytram|away> g'night all
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[12:06:02] <janrinok> If anyone is looking for training - just ping me please
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[13:16:15] <janrinok> If anyone is looking for training - just ping me please
[13:18:30] <paulej72> If anyone is looking for training - just ping janrinok please
[13:18:45] <paulej72> :)
[13:18:52] <paulej72> good morning janrinok
[13:21:01] <janrinok> paulej72: hi, how's things?
[13:21:44] <paulej72> not bad, I got some sleep last nigh so that is a bonus
[13:21:55] <paulej72> how are thing for you today?
[13:22:11] <janrinok> good to hear - do you and audioguy get things sorted yesterday?
[13:22:34] <paulej72> think so
[13:22:58] <janrinok> still tired here, but I don't think that will change in the short term. But thx anyway, the influx of new eds should help considerably once they come on line
[13:23:23] <paulej72> it is amlost easier to break things and force people to come and fix them if they want their service back :)
[13:23:25] <janrinok> audioguy sounded a little miffed at one point
[13:23:46] <janrinok> but I like your thinking
[13:24:08] <paulej72> yea, but noone was using his services and he has not been around much lately
[13:24:28] <janrinok> true
[13:25:02] <janrinok> did you get the certs problem resolved too?
[13:25:04] <paulej72> I would have not been so reckless on one of the production servers
[13:25:16] <janrinok> of course not ;)
[13:26:16] <paulej72> certs are still up in the air. I would love to get a wilcard cert for that box, but staff level stuff just requires a bypass of the cert warnings
[13:26:35] <janrinok> we can all cope with that I would imagine
[13:27:13] <paulej72> but is is a pain on some browsers as you can’t easly make a permanent exception.
[13:28:15] <janrinok> really? I must try to avoid such browsers
[13:28:46] <paulej72> Chrome is one
[13:30:15] <janrinok> someone must have actually thought about that and made a decision not to implement it, but I cannot immediately see the benefits of the chosen course of action. By all means default to a secure mode, but give the user that ability to change it if necessary...
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[17:03:04] <n1> howdy
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[18:48:00] <janrinok> hi nick, you still here?
[18:48:07] <n1> i am
[18:48:12] <n1> just doing some stories for tomorrow
[18:48:17] <n1> how goes things?
[18:48:32] <janrinok> not bad, a reasonably quiet day, how about you?
[18:49:01] <n1> pretty good, been weirdly productive for a sunday
[18:49:30] <n1> finally got around to concluding the reason my PC has random crashes is because of a bad stick of RAM
[18:49:31] <janrinok> at work, or at home
[18:49:41] <n1> at home
[18:50:09] <janrinok> and you had some spare RAM just sitting around?
[18:50:33] <n1> after doing some memtests ive now just taken out the one that was causing issues
[18:51:00] <n1> this system still has 12GB
[18:51:23] <Bytram> janrinok: hi there!
[18:51:47] <Bytram> You sure were busy! Took me a while to second-read all the stories you pushed to the site...
[18:51:54] <Bytram> I can't imagine how long the *editing* took!
[18:52:17] <n1> he's an editing machine
[18:52:26] <janrinok> hi Bytram
[18:52:28] <Bytram> nod nod
[18:52:31] <Bytram> janrinok++
[18:52:31] <Bender> karma - janrinok: 23
[18:52:34] <Bytram> janrinok: g'day!
[18:53:14] <Bytram> testing moderation changes is a lot more work than anticipated, but I'm plugging along.
[18:53:15] <janrinok> I took quite a while to do them, but I'm glad I got them out of the way early. I've been able to enjoy my weekend.
[18:53:41] <Bytram> So glad to hear you're enjoying your weekend!
[18:53:46] <n1> oh, janrinok just warning.. tuesday i'll probably not be around, very important meeting, if i am it wont be until late in the evening.
[18:57:01] <janrinok> ok, I'll cover it
[18:57:17] <janrinok> sry, still doing 3 or 4 things at once at the moment
[18:57:34] <n1> i'll be around tomorrow, so it shouldn't be an issue if we're running ahead like we are now
[18:57:44] <Bytram> I have a short day on tues, though I have some evening plans...
[18:57:50] <janrinok> we don't appear to have had an attack of the trolls today. I wonder if my story had a secondary effect?
[18:57:53] <Bytram> I can prolly push a few stories out if that'd help
[18:58:03] <Bytram> on tuesday, that is
[18:58:08] <janrinok> Bytram: anything will help, thx
[18:58:14] <n1> would be appreciated
[18:58:14] <Bytram> my pleasure!
[18:58:30] <n1> i actually missed the call about this meeting first time around, because i was doing editor training!
[18:58:50] <n1> but that was more the fault of the dog that jumped on me at the same time, rather than the training making me miss it
[18:58:54] <janrinok> I hope that didn't cost you money
[18:58:57] <Bytram> it seems whenever I look to see how the story queue is, one of you pushed out 6 or 8 stories, and we're covered well into the future!
[18:59:34] <n1> no problems, just annoying that i missed it after waiting nearly 2 weeks for it
[18:59:48] <janrinok> we're just trying something different. The empty submissions queue encourages more subs, and we have the stories planned for the next 24 hours or so with spaces for urgent bits
[19:00:09] <n1> but it's all booked in for tuesday now, and if it goes well it could keep me busy enough for the rest of the year along with the festivals
[19:00:11] <Bytram> do you have a simple means to tell where the 'gaps' are?
[19:00:24] <janrinok> good luck with that then nick
[19:00:30] * Bytram wishes there was a delat-time-in-minutes column so I could tell more easily
[19:00:38] <n1> Bytram, we're not leaving gaps as such, but i think we're more inclined to move the queue around now
[19:00:41] <Bytram> n1: best of luck with that!
[19:00:42] <janrinok> Bytram: no, just enough space to move stories around if we have to
[19:00:48] <Bytram> nod nod
[19:01:10] <n1> if a story is time sensitive or 'breaking' or urgent, then it jumps the queue
[19:01:16] <Bytram> k
[19:01:24] <n1> before it was less of an issue, but now we're running ahead like we are
[19:01:34] <n1> it's something we need to consider when appropriate
[19:01:42] <Bytram> and the other stories? just push one to the end, or shift a few around time-wise to 'flow' around it?
[19:01:52] <n1> i'd say go with whatever feels right
[19:01:53] <janrinok> I haven't had to post a story since yesterday morning, and nick has just taken us up to tomorrow evening (UTC)
[19:02:04] <n1> i dont have any issues with moving my stories around however anyone sees fit
[19:02:16] <n1> but i do try and order them in a way that there's a spread of topics
[19:02:20] <janrinok> as long as it works - do it
[19:02:29] <n1> but im not going to be territorial over it
[19:02:46] <Bytram> part of my concern is moving a story that should not be... but I just had an idea...
[19:02:55] <janrinok> if we discover that this is a better way of doing it, I might try to write a guide explaining how it works
[19:03:10] <Bytram> we try and vary the start times to keep the site from being too predictable, right?
[19:03:21] <janrinok> nothing clever, just trying to ease the pressure on eds a little
[19:03:29] <janrinok> Bytram: yep
[19:03:36] <Bytram> what if we, when it is important that a story go out at a particular time, set the start time to be :00 :15 :30 or :45 ??
[19:03:39] <n1> Bytram, i dont think there are many stories that shouldn't be moved
[19:03:43] <n1> only the meta stories really
[19:04:33] <Bytram> agreed, but it would be nice to have a way to know, and since we lack a 'story comment box' for stories (much like we do have for submissions)...
[19:04:44] <n1> i suggested that the other day
[19:04:48] <janrinok> Bytram: I'll give that some thought, but it will take a while for it to filter through to all the other eds. I don't want to confuse the 3 coming online soon
[19:04:50] <n1> you didnt seem too convinced on the idea
[19:04:55] <Bytram> this could serve as an interim, out-of-band means to communicate, please leave this scheduled, as is.
[19:05:08] <Bytram> oh, I like the idea!
[19:05:14] <janrinok> me? I think it is a good idea
[19:05:29] * Bytram was larady jumping ahead to how to implement it with the screen space that is available
[19:05:38] <n1> i dont think you were there when we discussed it, janrinok
[19:05:38] <Bytram> s/larady/already/
[19:05:52] <n1> oh yeah, i remember that was your main issue with it
[19:05:52] <janrinok> n1: ok
[19:06:06] <janrinok> but it makes sense and I'm happy with it
[19:06:13] <Bytram> and I sensed that the page was already pretty crowded, but the more I thought about it, the more I liked the idea
[19:06:17] <janrinok> better let LamX know what we are thinking
[19:06:27] <n1> i think we were talking about making the editing easier, and it was just a 'wishlist' idea i had
[19:06:33] <n1> to make life easier
[19:06:39] <janrinok> but I don't expect any opposition from there
[19:07:18] <Bytram> hmmm, what if there a single column containing something like: <a href="" title="Comment for the other editors">N</a> in a 'Notes" column?
[19:07:52] <janrinok> When we first started, we used to change to because it helped formatting on some devices, and it was consistent for searches of the data base. Have we changed that 'rule' - have I missed something?
[19:07:58] <n1> wont that take up as much space as a comment box?
[19:08:25] <n1> janrinok, laminatorx has never changed tags to as far as im aware
[19:08:35] <Bytram> n1: nope, just need space for the 'N' -- it's only when you hover the mouse cursor over it, that the text would appear
[19:08:40] <Bytram> just thinking out loud, atm
[19:08:49] <janrinok> all it needs on the stories page is a check box showing that there _is_ information, which could be seen by entering the editor
[19:09:10] <janrinok> well we did in the few few months, but it seemed to stop a long time ago
[19:09:11] <Bytram> janrinok: I used to do that religiously, but got tired of having to fight the system and just let it be.
[19:09:27] <n1> i nearly always change them
[19:09:28] <janrinok> I don't mind, it was the devs that asked us to do it
[19:09:33] <n1> it's only his that i've never seen change them
[19:09:39] <n1> but i think when we were asked to, it was done on here
[19:09:41] <n1> and lamx wasn't here
[19:09:59] <n1> so he never got the message, thats how i remember it anyway
[19:10:01] <Bytram> I have noticed, though, that there are some times when I insert blank lines in a story I am editing, hit preview, and they stay there, and other times, it gerts all mashed into one long string of text.
[19:10:10] <janrinok> quite possibly. And as no-one seems to be complaining when we don't it can't be that important.
[19:10:38] <Bytram> it potentionally makes a difference in a couple arenas, especially with mobile devices...
[19:10:41] <n1> i have told the new eds i trained to change them, but said that it's just the 'right' thing to do, isn't crucial
[19:10:44] <janrinok> Bytram: yes, the editor is satisfactory but could be improved a thousand fold
[19:10:59] <Bytram> by using '', it's easier for the devs to appply CSS styles to consistify the site's appearance
[19:11:15] <Bytram> janrinok: just 1000? ;)
[19:11:16] <n1> yeah, thats what i thought
[19:11:30] <janrinok> makes note of new word - consistify. I like that word, very cromulent
[19:11:55] <Bytram> istm that the blank line preservation depends on whether the user submitted it as 'plain old text' or 'html formatted'
[19:12:11] <janrinok> I think mrcoolbp mentioned a plugin the other day, I've not seen or used it, have you?
[19:12:18] <n1> if it's html formatted, will it keep the tags in submissions?
[19:12:20] * Bytram starts to wonder if that really *is* a word!
[19:12:23] <Bytram> brb
[19:12:36] <n1> i've never changed the submission format, but i know it always removed tags when i have
[19:12:43] <janrinok> lol - it wasn't a word, but it is now
[19:12:52] <n1> trying to make editing easier and the system says no!
[19:13:00] <n1> i liek consistify
[19:13:06] <n1> i like liek 2
[19:13:22] <janrinok> lol - and we're the bloody editors!
[19:13:24] * Bytram just checked over a dozen word lists and did not find 'consistify' in any of them.
[19:13:46] <n1> janrinok, i never said i was qualified for this
[19:13:59] <janrinok> it is in _our_ vocabulary now
[19:14:04] <Bytram> and the process by which we implement that would be called: consistification !!
[19:14:12] <janrinok> and I regularly prove that neither am I
[19:14:32] <n1> the consistification dept.
[19:14:35] <n1> is coming soon i assure you
[19:14:59] <janrinok> I suppose Bytram, being in QA, is the chief consistifier?
[19:15:01] <Bytram> and those who go around and mess it all up would be committing inconsistification
[19:15:34] <Bytram> interesting!
[19:15:38] <janrinok> I must try to get that into a story - perhaps on 1st April
[19:15:43] <Bytram> lol
[19:15:58] <janrinok> our own buzzwords!
[19:16:04] <Bytram> bingo!
[19:16:05] <Bytram> =)
[19:16:58] <Bytram> consistiation - the act of making things consistent
[19:17:08] <janrinok> I've not seen any trainees over the weekend, have you?
[19:17:20] * Bytram thinks that sounds too much like a bowel problem
[19:17:21] <janrinok> Bytram: consistification
[19:17:32] <n1> janrinok, i have not
[19:17:38] <Bytram> none for me
[19:17:44] <n1> i just checked dev to see if they'd been doing more pratice
[19:18:01] <janrinok> well, perhaps they're enjoying their weekends while they can muhahahah
[19:18:02] <n1> phone brb
[19:18:10] <janrinok> time for tea - brb
[19:18:52] <Bytram> cya
[19:19:41] <janrinok> bytram - you gone?
[19:19:47] <Bytram> http://nws.merriam-webster.com
[19:19:48] <NetCraft> ^ 03Merriam-Webster Online
[19:19:49] <Bytram> nope
[19:20:01] <janrinok> ah, the cya was for me was it?
[19:20:14] <Bytram> ayuh!
[19:20:36] <Bytram> consistify
[19:20:36] <Bytram> (verb) : to make consistent or congruous
[19:20:36] <Bytram> The author needed to consistify the format before submitting the manuscript.
[19:20:36] <Bytram> Submitted by: Paul Lillebo from North Carolina on Aug. 22, 2012 21:42
[19:21:03] <Bytram> (verb) : to make consistent
[19:21:05] <Bytram> The photos are all different, how can we consistify them?
[19:21:05] <Bytram> Submitted by: Faisal from United Kingdom on Apr. 22, 2008 06:04
[19:21:38] <janrinok> are you serious?
[19:22:01] <Bytram> was apparently submitted to M-W as possible new words
[19:22:40] <janrinok> 'to make consistent' has been fine until now - this is an editorial word, not something that can be used by unskilled linguists. I demand that we have the rights to consistify
[19:22:48] <Bytram> maybe 'congruation', instead?
[19:23:11] <janrinok> well congruency already exists
[19:23:15] <Bytram> or, 'congruate', to make congruent.
[19:23:39] <janrinok> either stop them, or recruit them as editors
[19:23:58] <chromas> Congruificatializing
[19:23:59] <Bytram> LOL!
[19:24:03] <Bytram> thanks for the laugh
[19:24:39] * Bytram is gonna take a break... biab
[19:24:43] <janrinok> k
[20:06:49] <Bytram> nap time
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[20:06:59] <janrinok> have a good sleep
[20:07:16] <Bytram|away> thanks! And a good night to you, too!
[20:07:24] <janrinok> cu tomorrow
[20:07:24] <Bytram|away> Give my best to S, too
[20:07:29] <janrinok> thx - I will
[20:07:31] <Bytram|away> k
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[20:09:29] <janrinok> got to go, bye
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