#editorial | Logs for 2015-03-10

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[14:31:10] <nick> janrinok, take youve seen the ironman editing from lamx this morning
[14:32:52] <janrinok> yes indeed - that's a welcome sight
[14:33:41] <nick> guessing he saw the 'calling all editors' and decided to step up
[14:33:49] <nick> he did every story in the queue as far as im aware
[14:35:01] <janrinok> looks pretty much like it - he was the one person who my piece was not aimed at. GungirSniper also posted something in his journal which I commented on. I hope it spurs him to contribute just a little.
[14:35:39] <janrinok> GungnirSniper*
[14:38:02] <nick> i saw that last night
[14:38:11] <nick> didn't really want to get into it
[14:39:00] <nick> didn't have the energy to explain it's the same AC that submitted the story, made most of the comments and then subsequently complained everywhere possible that 'good comments' kept getting modded down
[14:47:10] <nick> that one person made a notable percentage of the comments over the last few days, he's made more comments than a cabal of moderators could hope to cope with to mod him down
[14:48:01] <janrinok> I wonder - not with any malice intended - whether GS and the AC are one and the same, or perhaps just good buddies....
[14:48:23] <nick> i don't think so
[14:48:57] <nick> i assumed GS saw the comment and thought it was important, but hadn't followed the days of comments leading upto it
[14:49:09] <janrinok> It just crossed my mind while reading some of GS's other comments in current threads. But you are probably quite correct
[14:49:17] <nick> and doesn't know that 90% of the comments are from the same AC
[14:49:37] <nick> i liked it in the michael brown discussion he said "i can't speak for the submitter but..."
[14:50:28] <janrinok> lol - gets 'em every time!
[14:51:03] <nick> im figuring the only reason he was even active yesterday was because i said over the weekend about holding the sub until monday
[14:51:33] <janrinok> wheels within wheels. My poor brain can't take it any more ;)
[14:52:18] <nick> and thats exactly why i didnt reply to the journal last night lol
[14:52:48] * janrinok cowers in a dark corner while scowling at the cruel world about him
[14:53:01] <nick> sounds perfectly reasonable
[14:53:46] <janrinok> how about you - you good today?
[14:54:28] <nick> trying not to complain
[14:54:50] <nick> didnt get confirmation yet for the job i hoped to start today
[14:55:05] <nick> but im feeling lazy anyway today so fuck it
[14:55:32] <janrinok> lol - although I'm sorry that you haven't got the 'go' yet, of course
[14:56:35] <nick> it's not a big deal. the actual client is out of the country so maybe isn't checking his emails as frequently
[14:57:55] <janrinok> I might do some programming tonight as the queues are taken care of. That would be a pleasant break for me. I think I will still have an early night. The coughing last night kept me awake a lot of the time.
[14:59:07] <nick> sounds fair
[14:59:21] <nick> didnt get that great sleep myself either last night
[15:02:51] <janrinok> any particular reason that you can identify?
[15:08:22] <nick> just didnt let my brain wind down before sleep i think
[15:08:41] <janrinok> I don't think mine every winds up nowadays
[15:08:50] <janrinok> ever*
[15:09:27] <nick> :(
[15:09:46] <nick> for a long while mine didnt, but it doesn't make things better
[15:09:49] <nick> need time to recharge
[15:11:51] <nick> did find using f.lux helped a lot
[15:20:53] <janrinok> what is f.lux
[15:21:23] <nick> http://en.wikipedia.org
[15:21:23] <FunkMasterBash> ^ 03Wiki: f.lux
[15:21:46] <nick> "The program was designed to reduce eye strain during nighttime use and to prevent disruption of normal sleep patterns."
[15:22:03] <janrinok> interesting - I had never heard of that....
[15:22:39] <nick> me either, it was something i would have ignored
[15:22:52] <nick> but i decided to try it, and it made a difference straight away
[15:23:18] <nick> i have similar software on my phone too
[15:23:39] <janrinok> looking at downloading now....
[15:24:44] <nick> the software can do it automatically, but i actually just have it on all the time and turn it off to do graphical/colour sensitive things
[15:27:36] <janrinok> all the download sites seem to be out of date
[15:29:16] <nick> :/ that sucks
[15:31:17] <janrinok> I'll keep looking though..
[15:32:07] <nick> shouldnt have read the news...
[15:32:34] <nick> it seems like this year is David Cameron's War on Encryption
[15:35:34] <janrinok> I can't find the item you are referring to - I'm on the BBC website but google is not much help
[15:35:58] <nick> it was actually an article i caught on rss-bot
[15:36:05] <janrinok> ah
[15:36:22] <nick> http://www.bbc.co.uk
[15:36:23] <FunkMasterBash> ^ 03BBC News - Banning Tor unwise and infeasible, MPs told
[15:37:04] <nick> "Speaking in January, following attacks by gunmen in Paris and its surrounding areas, David Cameron said there should be no "means of communication" the security services could not read."
[15:38:21] <janrinok> well, at least he is being told that he is wrong - which makes a pleasant change.
[15:38:26] <nick> As usual, the government body set to advise the government on these complex issues, in this case the "Parliamentary Office of Science and Technology"
[15:38:40] <nick> raises concerns about this being unworkable and basically stupid
[15:38:49] <nick> "A spokesman for the prime minister did not respond to a request for comment."
[15:39:04] <nick> because reality isn't going to help anyone win an election
[15:39:23] <janrinok> i.e. he now knows that he is a dick, but can't think what to say next. How about "I was wrong"
[15:39:52] <nick> im sure he'll find a private-sector think tank that will give him the answers he wants
[15:40:17] <nick> and that'll be better because they're proven to be 'independent' being a third party in the private sector
[15:40:47] <nick> who understand the realities and challenges we face fighting extremism and child abuse
[15:41:36] <janrinok> don't get your tongue stuck in your cheek....
[15:41:47] <janrinok> ;)
[15:42:24] <nick> the bit that annoys me is the whole 'encryption' debate in government is always exclusively framed as if Tor is the only encryption system going
[15:44:27] <nick> but this does seem to be our slow march to the UK's internet whitelist
[15:44:54] <janrinok> I'll be better able to explain when we meet face to face, but I am definately in the game-keeper turned poacher mob in this regard. I wish they would just let us be 'private' citizens again. There have always been ways for criminals and terrorists to communicate without being caught but they feel that this particular method is more evil than the others.
[15:46:00] <nick> my logic with this stuff goes, well our security services would be totally fucked if people plotting terrorism started meeting and having quiet conversations in meatspace
[15:47:29] <nick> anyone with even a passing understanding of how the whole thing works would see that they dont know what the fuck they're talking about
[15:47:41] <janrinok> ah, that doesn't pose as much of a problem as you might think. But there are other well tried and tested methods that have been use for years that provide much more security if you really need to communicate without being heard.
[15:47:52] <nick> oh indeed
[15:47:57] <nick> thats also my other point
[15:48:49] <nick> my opinion is it only serves to keep tabs on the general population
[15:49:09] <nick> the people up to the really bad shit, as they always have in history will just change their methods
[15:49:13] <nick> or go old-school
[15:50:11] <janrinok> from my point of view, they have misused technical systems that were designed to be used against an 'enemy' into a system that is now being used against its own citizens. And, as you rightly point out, it won't matter a jot to those who wish us ill.
[15:51:05] <nick> and as i think was said at the start of this 'war on terror'
[15:51:20] <nick> we're actually doing a pretty good job of removing the freedoms that we're supposed to be defending from the terrorists
[15:51:34] <janrinok> particularly so in the US
[15:51:56] <janrinok> OBL said he would do it - and he has succeeded even after his death
[15:53:08] <nick> pretty much any government announcement on terror strategy makes me think "no, you're the fuckers letting them win"
[15:53:40] <janrinok> true, but they have nothing left to do, they are at a loss for an answer.
[15:54:18] <nick> it's politics
[15:54:24] <janrinok> exactly
[15:54:27] <nick> you have to find something to do, an enemy to fight, a reason to be important
[15:54:34] <janrinok> but it's not security
[15:54:57] <nick> job security for the security services
[15:55:35] <janrinok> Oh, I think that they would be quite happy without it, they have plenty enough to do without this.
[15:55:57] <nick> im sure they're not turning down the extra few million/billion budget they get handed every few months
[15:56:19] <janrinok> But the public have to accept that, just like with the IRA, the enemy will have some successes, but that doesn't mean that they can defeat the people
[15:57:02] <nick> a society where such things are impossible, is not one i want to live in
[15:57:09] <janrinok> nor I
[15:57:13] <nick> freedom works both ways
[15:57:18] <janrinok> which is partly why I don't
[15:57:53] <nick> it is getting harder and harder for me here, i feel so far removed from the general population
[15:58:18] <nick> most people seem very accepting of it all 'it's the times we're in, its what the government is there for'
[15:58:20] <janrinok> I think more people are like you than are different
[15:58:36] <nick> people agree with me to a point, but most people i have spoken to
[15:58:42] <nick> agree, but are actually apathetic in general
[15:58:47] <nick> 'thats how it is'
[16:00:17] <nick> most people dont have the time to care, working all hours available and then sitting infront of the TV watching whatever reality-talent show is on this month
[16:00:21] <janrinok> let the bad guys have their bit of the Middle East but tell them quite clearly that, if they step outside and cause trouble, it will be the big N option and you will all be gone. Perhaps a bit harsh ;)
[16:00:59] <nick> on a bit of a tanget, on the few times i catch TV, it actually makes me sick and angry of how pathetic and patronizing 'family entertainment' is
[16:01:57] <janrinok> I don't watch much nowadays - I waste my time talking to people that I have never even met on the internet. I know, you find that hard to believe, but I do!
[16:02:08] <nick> especially those reality-talent shows, it feels like i've slipped into a circus like dystopian future
[16:03:03] <janrinok> I don't think that I have every watched one - I've seen enough in the trailers to think - 'that's not for me'
[16:03:20] <nick> janrinok, lots of money making sure the ME doesn't get nuked, would not do well for the oil giants revenues
[16:03:38] <janrinok> tough
[16:03:53] <nick> yeah, but thats why it cant/wont happen
[16:04:01] <nick> too much money involved
[16:04:58] <janrinok> During the cold war, we said OK, you live there and, as long as you stay there, we can work from that basis. But cross this imaginary line, and we will _all_ regret it, but that will not stop it from happening.
[16:06:27] <janrinok> Sorry - got to go. House full of nurses and social workers! bbl
[16:06:31] <nick> take care
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[18:03:37] <nick> lamx has gone crazy, he's editing the stories as they come in
[18:36:44] <Subsentient> $tell janrinok sorry I haven't been doing any stories last few days, we're having housing issues and I've had to take care of that
[18:36:44] <aqu4> I'll tell them in a PM next time I see 'em.
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