#editorial | Logs for 2015-03-04

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[02:01:11] <n1> who put the irc bot info together?
[02:01:16] <n1> for the story
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[03:23:48] <n1> hey Bytram
[03:24:37] <Bytram> g'day!
[03:24:58] * Bytram just found an oversight in the UTF-8 implementation on our site
[03:25:01] <Bytram> :/
[03:32:50] <n1> :/
[03:33:48] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[03:33:48] <Hedonismbot> ^* 03SN comment by martyb (76)
[03:34:12] <Bytram> it's not THAT bad, but it opens up, umm, pandora's box of additional potential nefariousness
[03:34:21] <Bytram> (try saying that three times fast!)
[03:35:36] <n1> im not going to try lol
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[03:40:08] <n1> Bytram, is there anything i should watch out for as a result of this?
[03:40:59] <Bytram> I barely grok it myself; I think we'rew pretty much safe... just watch out for Named Character Entities like '&eacute;'
[03:41:20] <n1> TheMightyBuzzard, are you doing the 'breaking news'?
[03:42:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> heck no, i only got edity powers cause it comes with adminy powers
[03:42:19] <n1> i just saw you were looking at the story is all ;)
[03:42:35] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i was cheating and reading it before it went live
[03:42:59] <n1> im sure thats against the rules
[03:43:11] <Bytram> n1: I'm on it
[03:44:29] <Bytram> n1: Looks okay as submitted.... do you agree?
[03:45:02] <n1> only have breaking in headline
[03:45:06] <n1> but otherwise seems good
[03:45:08] <Bytram> nod nod
[03:45:48] <Bytram> any quick ideas on a dept?
[03:47:17] <Bytram> from the irregulation dsept.
[03:47:20] <Bytram> from the irregulation dept.
[03:47:44] <Bytram> I'm going with that one
[03:47:48] * Bytram hits preview
[03:48:23] <n1> cool
[03:48:47] * Bytram sets release time to: 3:52
[03:48:54] <Bytram> gives us a couple minutes just incase
[03:50:57] <n1> i wonder how big this is going to be
[03:51:00] <n1> generally
[03:52:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't bug me none. i don't have a cellphone.
[03:52:40] <n1> nice
[03:53:10] <n1> i tip my hat to you sir
[03:53:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> had one but it rang while i was fishing years ago and i threw it in the lake.
[03:55:16] <n1> i miss being able to leave it behind
[03:56:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> it's... well it's an acquired taste. i don't miss having one at all until i get a flat or something.
[03:56:20] <n1> although i should just set up my pbx to avoid calls getting to me
[03:57:11] <Bytram> /dev/nul ftw
[03:57:27] <n1> thats the worry i have when i do leave it behind, not at that point having it helps that much sometimes
[03:57:39] <n1> being no doubt in the worst possible place for it to happen
[03:57:44] <Bytram> nod nod
[03:58:02] <n1> i dont see the story in the queue?
[03:58:15] * Bytram checks
[03:58:28] <Bytram> helps if I mit the submit button.
[03:58:29] <Bytram> :(
[03:58:34] <Bytram> s/mit/hit/
[03:58:48] <Bytram> I had just noticed it, too.
[03:58:52] <Bytram> I see it now.
[03:59:02] <n1> you'd think it was late in the day or something
[03:59:10] <Bytram> LOL
[03:59:44] * Bytram put in an 11hr day yesterday and another long one today... and it's snowing, again.
[03:59:59] * Bytram is NOT tired, nosiree bob
[04:00:04] <TheMightyBuzzard> yeah, we're bout to get an ice storm. fun fun.
[04:00:21] <Bytram> make sure your UPS is fully charged
[04:01:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> never use em. fed-ex ftw.
[04:01:22] <Bytram> ROFL!
[04:02:17] <TheMightyBuzzard> not worried about it if i lose power. i got these pre-computer things you can read even when the power's out. bewks or some such i think they're called.
[04:02:47] <Bytram> do you have any of dem kandewels, too?
[04:02:51] <n1> lol
[04:03:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> no but i got a travel trailer with oh 24h of battery lights or so.
[04:03:48] <Bytram> that'll help.
[04:04:07] <Bytram> does it have a metal roof? might get a bit noisy in an ice storm.
[04:04:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> think that's bad? it's parked under a pecan tree. every fall it's kerblam, kerblam, kerblam.
[04:05:12] <Bytram> SNORT!
[04:05:31] <Bytram> well then, it's very simple, move the tree!
[04:05:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> can't, it's the neighbor's tree.
[04:05:53] <Bytram> why is everybody pecan on me?
[04:06:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> /nick charliebrown
[04:06:31] <n1> you guys...
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[11:55:22] <Subsentient> n1: mrcoolbp: One of you wanna take a look at this? http://soylentnews.org
[11:55:22] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Error
[12:23:47] * n1 grumbles
[12:23:50] <n1> mornin'
[12:27:23] <TheMightyBuzzard> mornin
[12:28:34] <n1> Subsentient, seems great to me; have signed off on it. Changed the timing but otherwise, no problems that i saw.
[12:28:52] <Subsentient> n1: Timing, from what to what?
[12:29:05] <n1> i brought it forward half an hour
[12:30:26] <n1> we generally aim for stories each 60-90mins during the day, push it to 120mins over night when we are low on subs
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[15:14:55] <n1> and im back
[15:17:57] <janrinok> n1: and I'm being given the hard time on a thread now - I suspect that someone is out to piss off the eds
[15:18:21] * TheMightyBuzzard chuckles
[15:18:44] <n1> oh?
[15:19:21] <janrinok> yes - the Mobile World Congress story. I can't link it, its on the other computer
[15:19:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> which story, i'll go see if there's anyone needs kicked in the nuts
[15:19:58] * n1 goes to look
[15:20:26] <janrinok> wrong story - its the Clinton story
[15:22:15] <janrinok> not a big problem but if people don't like the story they can either submit a better one or join us here and help out ;)
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[15:23:19] <n1> really dont get why that post is there
[15:23:33] <n1> its an important story i'd think
[15:23:39] <n1> and another commenter seems to agree with me
[15:23:49] <janrinok> so do I, but perhaps it depends on one's politics
[15:24:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> you intruded on someone's echo chamber
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[15:24:35] <janrinok> lol
[15:25:03] <n1> at least it hasnt been modded +5 insightful
[15:25:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> take it as a compliment, means you're not pushing an agenda.
[15:25:54] <janrinok> the MWC story is where I explained that there are only 2 experienced eds covering 24hrs a day, 7/365
[15:27:11] <n1> im going to mod your mwc reply up
[15:27:25] <janrinok> lol - go for it
[15:28:54] <n1> it is worth noting
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[15:30:06] <n1> people are right to call us out on things, but at the same time we dont have the time or resources
[15:30:37] <n1> mainstream news sites with real resources make bigger fuckups than that when pushing through stories.
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[15:32:32] <n1> but also, i like that they have high standards and expectations for us
[15:33:19] <n1> i dont like it so much at 3-4am when i'm struggling to stay awake heh
[15:33:54] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: what am I looking for here?
[15:34:14] <Subsentient> mrcoolbp: Hmm//
[15:34:15] <Subsentient> ?
[15:34:32] <mrcoolbp> oh you were just looking for a second ed signoff methinks
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[15:37:09] <Subsentient> yeh
[15:38:24] <janrinok> Subsentient: a signoff? on which story?
[15:38:56] <Subsentient> janrinok: I did one
[15:39:11] <Subsentient> janrinok: http://soylentnews.org
[15:39:11] <Hedonismbot> ^* 03Error
[15:41:54] <janrinok> Subsentient: it was signed off by n1 at 12:28 UTC. Have you updated your stories page recently?
[15:42:05] <Subsentient> janrinok: Already signed off I know
[15:42:12] <janrinok> ah
[15:42:15] <n1> yeah it was a while ago, mrcoolbp is just catching up i think
[15:42:19] * janrinok wanders away confused
[15:42:35] <janrinok> gotcha, OK
[15:46:46] <mrcoolbp> shows me for responding to pings
[15:47:33] <janrinok> be gentle with me - I'm lacking in sleep and intelligence....
[15:49:18] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: this time it was my fault
[15:49:22] <mrcoolbp> = )
[15:49:28] <janrinok> lo9l
[15:56:43] <janrinok> we need more comments on the test story and more moderators. I've modded on each of the available comments, and there aren't enough of us to really push the system are there?
[15:58:27] <n1> on dev?
[15:58:40] <janrinok> yep
[15:59:08] <janrinok> we have enough people trying to mod the live system ;)
[15:59:16] <n1> thats what i was thinking
[15:59:37] <n1> ive used all my mod points but can still post some more randomness
[16:00:37] <TheMightyBuzzard> we're not looking to push the system as much as we are having enough recent moderations to theoretically hide a mod-bomb
[16:01:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> he just needed a mess of "valid" mods to see if his algorithm is able to sort out the bomb from the rest
[16:01:47] <n1> refresh the mod points so i can do some more?
[16:01:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> sure
[16:02:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> done
[16:02:41] <janrinok> ah OK tmb
[16:03:07] <n1> waiting for the points to come through
[16:06:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> should have already
[16:06:36] <n1> still hasnt
[16:06:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> weird
[16:06:52] <n1> refreshed a few times now
[16:07:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> reran it, give a refresh again
[16:07:46] <n1> nope
[16:08:00] <janrinok> I love the Touchè on dev
[16:08:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> restarted varnish just to check that's not it
[16:08:32] <n1> any new modpoints showing up for you, janrinok?
[16:09:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> db shows he has 5
[16:09:26] <TheMightyBuzzard> you using the n1 nick?
[16:09:32] <n1> yeah
[16:09:42] <n1> still none showing up for me, signed out and back in just to check that
[16:09:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> weird. dunno what to tell ya cause the db shows you with 5
[16:10:13] <janrinok> I don't even know where to look for them =( I don't usually moderate
[16:10:22] <janrinok> Seen!
[16:10:29] <janrinok> no 1 point only
[16:10:29] <n1> maybe there something stopping them showing up because of the 24hr normal rue?
[16:10:34] <TheMightyBuzzard> should be a slashbox on the right saying you got blah blah mod points use em or lose em
[16:10:35] <n1> rule*
[16:10:43] <TheMightyBuzzard> nope, done this many times before
[16:11:14] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'll bounce the server n varnish real quick i guess.
[16:11:29] <n1> difference between user levels causing it perhaps?
[16:11:47] <n1> admins can get new points but normal users and editors don't?
[16:12:05] <n1> theyre showin gup now
[16:12:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> bounced
[16:12:08] <n1> showing up*
[16:12:26] <janrinok> showing up here too
[16:12:30] <TheMightyBuzzard> shurg, prolly just a caching issue
[16:12:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> memcached maybe, who knows.
[16:17:51] <n1> used points up again
[16:17:54] <n1> should that be enough?
[16:19:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> prolly, yeah. if it's not i'll go on a rampage later.
[16:20:32] <TheMightyBuzzard> back to watchin SHIELD then and writing up an error message after.
[16:21:37] <n1> smoke break for me, then paperwork bullshit :|
[16:22:19] <n1> janrinok, i'm good for taking over the stories queue this evening from where you finished
[16:22:41] <n1> will try and get it to about the same place as i did for tuesday
[16:36:47] <janrinok> thx - that would be helpful. If the bot info has been updated I'll do a bit more on that story, otherwise I might enjoy doing some programming tonight
[16:37:43] <n1> teamwork!
[16:38:18] <janrinok> I'll probably try to get to bed early tonight - but not sure if it will do any good.
[16:38:44] <janrinok> anyway - time to go prepare a meal for S, be back in an hour or two.
[16:39:05] <n1> ok, until then :)
[16:39:10] <janrinok> laters
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[16:47:22] <Bytram> janrinok|afk: ping!
[16:47:38] <n1> he's making dinner
[16:47:57] <Bytram> I was working on your bot story for a while and saved some changes I'd made... then I noticed that you were on the story, too.
[16:48:27] <Bytram> janrinok|afk: I've hit 'back' in my browser so I still have a copy of the changes I made... hope it didn't affect your work!
[16:48:32] <n1> think he was just looking at it
[16:48:34] <Bytram> n1: thanks for the info!
[16:49:21] <n1> he was/is considering working on it after dinner as i understand
[16:49:39] <Bytram> nod nod
[16:49:41] <Bytram> thanks!
[16:49:56] <n1> np
[16:49:59] <n1> you all good?
[16:50:13] <Bytram> nobody was working on it while I was doing updates... and I kept looking... until I hit update and then saw he'd been at it for 8 minutes. :/
[16:50:25] <Bytram> yeah. tired, but good. u?
[16:51:00] * Bytram needs to drain some coffee... back in a few minutes
[16:52:18] <n1> things are good here
[16:54:39] <Bytram> back
[16:54:50] <Bytram> great! glad to 'hear' it!
[16:56:00] <n1> yeah, being more positive at the moment
[16:56:10] <n1> has been quite a productive last couple weeks
[16:56:34] <Bytram> YAY!
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[19:04:28] <n1> wb janrinok
[19:04:32] <janrinok> hi nick
[19:04:48] <janrinok> have you ever looked at the bot page in the wiki?
[19:04:58] <n1> cant say i have
[19:05:03] <n1> or not recently
[19:06:04] <janrinok> I thought ciri's purpose was to annoy people - it is a very powerful bot! Unit conversions for weight, distances, temperatures, country codes, googling, scrabble, weather, etc
[19:07:12] <janrinok> I'm not sure if it is just me that didn't know this stuff, or whether it just hasn't been promulgated anywhere near as much as it should have been.
[19:07:13] <n1> it can do those things, but i'm sure the actual purpose is to annoy people.
[19:07:19] <janrinok> lol
[19:09:19] <n1> i have never been a big fan of irc bots
[19:09:38] <n1> but i appreciate why we have so many and i dont mind it in a soylentnews context at all
[19:10:13] <janrinok> no, I think it is brilliant. But if you don't know that they are there you can't use them
[19:10:38] <n1> oh indeed, they can be very useful
[19:11:13] <janrinok> I might unquiet ciri and have a play sometime
[19:11:34] <n1> i'm interested in what the response will be to the article
[19:11:54] <janrinok> have you looked at it at all?
[19:12:22] <janrinok> I'm not sure where to go with it now. A sort of 'so what?' moment
[19:12:56] <n1> i have looked at it, but only in passing to be honest
[19:13:27] <janrinok> I'd like to get it out before weekend so, if you have any bright ideas, I would love to hear them
[19:13:48] * mrcoolbp takes a look
[19:14:09] <n1> i dont think it can be expanded on that much really
[19:14:42] <n1> there's enough information there, easy to read and find something that might be relevant to you/them/whoever
[19:16:23] <mrcoolbp> needa make some corrections to the wording as some of it is copypasta from crutchy's stream-o-conciousness stuff
[19:16:29] <n1> yeah
[19:16:57] <n1> just tidying up what is there, but doesnt really need anything more to it
[19:17:25] <janrinok> except I must add more about ciri - it does so much that I didn't know about
[19:17:31] <n1> when i get in the editing flow shortly, i will take a closer look
[19:18:00] <janrinok> OK, if you change it fine, if not I'll look at putting out sometime tomorrow.
[19:18:49] <n1> i'll move it to tomorrow evening but not to display, after checking it over if you want to add more tomorrow
[19:20:00] <janrinok> k
[19:20:23] <mrcoolbp> I might do some work on it later too, but I gotta run out in a few
[19:20:31] <janrinok> np thx to you both
[19:23:52] <n1> i dont get why the NACA story was submitted by an AC
[19:23:59] <n1> it seems to be a completely original submission
[19:25:04] <janrinok> I haven't looked at it but a lot of people are just not logging in anymore. It could be a member of staff or a newbie - it makes it hard to tell which stories are genuine so you have to chase each link to make sure you're not being tricked.
[19:26:09] <n1> ive just been through it and it's a really good submission
[19:26:36] <n1> 5 stars
[19:27:05] <janrinok> it has an IP that has not been seen before so someone wants to remain anon.
[19:27:51] <janrinok> Yes, I like that story
[19:30:03] <n1> dont really want to change anything, cant see any real problems with it as is
[19:32:25] <mrcoolbp> check the IPID?
[19:32:43] <n1> there's nothing wrong with the story
[19:32:52] <mrcoolbp> hmm, only one entry on that IPID
[19:32:53] <n1> it's just good
[19:33:13] <n1> top 1% of submissions good
[19:33:25] <n1> maybe 5% but you get what i mean
[19:34:27] <n1> original submissions like this are usually about less 'general interest' type stories
[19:34:52] <mrcoolbp> yeah it is good, without checking the links and stuff though
[19:34:53] <n1> and from an AC one would expect it to be maybe a political or something
[19:35:01] <n1> the links are all great
[19:35:10] <mrcoolbp> cool, post it
[19:35:24] <n1> and ive searched a few bits on google to no returns as being copypasta
[19:36:39] <n1> there does seem to be some kind of tag on the nasa.gov link at the end
[19:43:51] <n1> any suggestions on dept. title?
[19:44:04] <janrinok> from airship to spaceship
[19:44:28] <janrinok> balloon to battlestar
[19:45:04] <n1> like second one
[19:45:18] <janrinok> whistles the tune to "walkin' on the moon"
[19:47:00] <n1> shouldnt take that long to edit a story i only changed two words on...
[19:47:07] <janrinok> lol
[19:47:18] <n1> actually, one word.
[19:47:26] <janrinok> as soon as it comes up I'm going to log on as AC and mock you
[19:47:26] <n1> "today" to "this week"
[19:47:43] <n1> i deserve it
[19:47:43] <janrinok> call this a story!?
[19:47:50] <n1> old news.
[19:47:56] <janrinok> you and me both ....
[19:48:19] <n1> might be a day late, and a few billion dollars short
[19:48:24] <janrinok> and then someone will blame the Republicans and all hell will let loose
[19:48:26] <n1> for the americans anyway
[19:48:42] <janrinok> we've got this sussed...
[19:48:52] <n1> lol
[19:49:48] <n1> space wouldn't be half as fun if it wasn't for the possibility of spaceship battles.
[19:50:23] <janrinok> as long as they don't point those bright pew pew things at me
[19:51:03] <n1> just like in the movies
[19:51:10] <janrinok> zactly
[20:06:12] <n1> takyon is writing some good submissions
[20:06:55] <janrinok> he is indeed - posted a few of his over the last week or so
[20:07:41] <janrinok> By the way nick - are you aware of the down time this coming saturday? There was a story on Monday about it.
[20:08:09] <n1> yeah, i did see
[20:08:18] <n1> will be sure to rage about it anonymously
[20:08:50] <janrinok> because it's the sort of thing I would jump on here and say 'site is down!' and everyone would look at me and laugh - again
[20:09:53] <n1> some people will have missed it
[20:10:01] <n1> or may forget at the time
[20:11:22] <janrinok> thx for using the dept :)
[20:12:02] <n1> thanks for suggesting it!
[20:12:21] <janrinok> as someone said about 4 hours ago - teamwork
[20:14:50] <janrinok> tomorrow will be another milestone for me - should pass the 1,500 barrier. I might have my weekly beer and pizza to celebrate
[20:17:03] <janrinok> almost my time to go for the evening. You back on tomorrow or pulling cables and things?
[20:17:53] <n1> i should be around in the evening at some point
[20:18:12] <janrinok> ok - I should be here and I'll see you then
[20:18:31] <n1> take care and congrats on the 1500!
[20:18:56] <janrinok> that's for tomorrow, or whenever the counter runs.
[20:19:10] <janrinok> Take care and see you
[20:19:10] <n1> good work man
[20:19:19] <janrinok> ditto
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[23:07:04] <mrcoolbp> nick: I'm going to take a look at the bot story now
[23:08:48] <mrcoolbp> Azrael: can you link me to your WYSIWYG extension for soylent editing?
[23:12:13] <n1> thanks, mrcoolbp
[23:14:33] <n1> it seems odd, not getting many submissions but the site seems relatively busy
[23:18:07] * mrcoolbp hacks away at the wording on bot story
[23:18:19] <n1> heheh
[23:19:50] <n1> there is no rush, but if you do have any time this evening. i made a few submissions that should be ready to go, if you could pick a couple to top up the queue... i'm basically waiting on submissions that are not mine.
[23:21:17] <mrcoolbp> I can do a few
[23:22:37] <n1> that would be great
[23:42:51] <mrcoolbp> nick: http://soylentnews.org
[23:42:51] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Error
[23:44:29] <n1> awesome, thanks :)
[23:45:39] <n1> i can sign off on it now if you're done there
[23:46:45] <mrcoolbp> yeah boy!