#editorial | Logs for 2015-03-02
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[11:37:09] <Subsentient> $pageall
[11:37:09] <aqu4> aqu4 Tachyon Azrael TheMightyBuzzard Subsentient Hedonismbot juggs chromas Bender paulej72
[11:37:09] <aqu4> xlefay NCommander mrcoolbp Loggie SkyNet
[11:37:16] <Subsentient> I just submitted my first story! :^D
[11:37:23] <Tachyon> hm?
[11:37:25] <Subsentient> The bionic hand one!
[11:37:28] <Subsentient> :^D
[11:37:33] <Tachyon> good for you!
[11:37:35] <Subsentient> Set to show at noon
[11:40:12] <Azrael> ooooo congrats Subsentient
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[13:10:26] <nick> good morning/afternoon/evening #editorial
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[13:40:48] <Subsentient> janrinok: Care to sign off on my first story? :^D
[13:40:48] <Subsentient> https://soylentnews.org
[13:40:49] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SN article: First True Bionic Hand 04(4 comments)
[13:41:05] <Subsentient> nvm
[13:41:08] <Subsentient> I see it went live
[13:41:12] <TheMightyBuzzard> heh, dingus
[13:41:41] <janrinok> Subsentient: Hi, congrats on your first live one! The timing was a bit off but no matter
[13:42:10] <Subsentient> janrinok: It seems to have changed, or the timezone is displaying incorrectly
[13:42:16] <Subsentient> I tried to set it for noon
[13:42:18] <janrinok> Subsentient: your story was signed off by Az several hours ago
[13:43:01] <janrinok> Subsentient: you did set it for noon - but that was only 43 minutes before the next story went out.... ;-)
[13:43:05] <Subsentient> ahh
[13:43:12] <Subsentient> I couldn't find a perfect gap.
[13:43:30] <janrinok> Subsentient: no you will have to start moving stories to fit one in usually
[13:43:36] <Subsentient> ahh
[13:45:28] * nick is in a dancing mood today
[13:45:49] <janrinok> go nick - er, why dancing? you're not in love are you?
[13:46:25] <nick> i have just had a really good morning, for a monday.
[13:47:13] <nick> made some extra margin on some equipment i sold, and got an email regarding all the money and shit i'm owed from the festival season
[13:47:16] <janrinok> as long as it's not any of that smutty, girly stuff....
[13:47:31] <nick> lol
[13:53:12] <nick> you know shit is bad when an email sings off with: "I realise that my professional reputation has been very badly damaged [...] and accept you may not wish to work with me in the future I will completely understand if this is the case."
[13:53:55] <janrinok> did it also include 'but we have a cash-flow problem at present'?
[13:54:35] <janrinok> but I suppose any email singing is not good
[13:54:35] <nick> "[...] this will enable me to get the funds I owe you out of another company that I am now a partner in if this is ok?"
[13:54:44] <nick> lol
[13:54:47] <janrinok> same same
[13:54:47] <nick> you know what i meant!
[13:55:09] <janrinok> lol - editors! damn!
[13:55:41] <nick> if it was singing, that could explain the dancing
[13:56:02] <janrinok> true - good riposte
[13:56:39] <nick> i dont really know where to go with it at this point though, do i just go for the money i'm owed
[13:57:08] <nick> or do i get the money and keep the possibility of working with him open
[13:57:34] <janrinok> when does he 'think' he will be able to pay up?
[13:58:27] <nick> doesn't say, but one would soon if he's hoping on getting me on board for this season
[13:58:41] <nick> the fact he emailed me now, after 5months or so of silence
[13:58:46] <nick> means he must be planning something
[13:59:27] <janrinok> Subsentient: referring to your comment re timing above - if you are logged in it shows all times in UTC, otherwise it defaults to your system time which might be why the timings look different
[13:59:49] <Subsentient> janrinok: IF I am logged in it shows in UTC? Not UTC if NOT logged in?
[14:00:03] <nick> <3 UTC
[14:00:48] <janrinok> mine shows US time (SN system time) if I'm NOT logged in, but UTC when I am.
[14:01:21] <nick> there is an option somewhere to set your time though, i believe?
[14:01:36] <nick> not sure if it works for the stories queue or whatever though
[14:01:48] <janrinok> nick: but if you are not logged in - it doesn't read the options does it...
[14:02:00] <nick> well no, but if you're not logged in you cant post a story
[14:02:19] <janrinok> you can still see subs and the pending list - which will show in SN time
[14:02:55] <nick> it does confuse me a when that happens
[14:03:09] <janrinok> Subsentient posted a story but subsequently thought that its timing had been changed - I suspect he was looking at the pending list but I'm not sure
[14:03:57] <nick> i'm guessing he thought the 12:00 would be his time not UTC?
[14:04:03] <Subsentient> janrinok: I was logged in every step of the way, so perhaps backSlash is showing me two separate timezones?
[14:04:19] <nick> Subsentient, that's what im figuring
[14:04:36] <nick> backslash is on UTC, but when you're on public pages it goes to SN time or your preferences
[14:05:03] <janrinok> Subsentient: never seen that before....
[14:05:13] <nick> i've never changed it, so it shows UTC to me both on blackslash and on the public pages
[14:05:55] <Subsentient> I think someone needs to go through the code and put the name of the timezone next to the displayed time.
[14:06:09] <janrinok> and I just work in UTC even though I live in France. All my computers show mulitple times just for the hell of it
[14:06:50] <nick> need to get the whole world on UTC
[14:06:50] <Subsentient> janrinok: Here's the problem for me.
[14:06:52] <Subsentient> $time MST
[14:06:52] <aqu4> Mon 2015-03-02 07:05:45 AM MST
[14:06:53] <nick> it would be convinient for me.
[14:06:54] <Subsentient> $time UTC
[14:06:54] <aqu4> Mon 2015-03-02 02:05:47 PM UTC
[14:07:00] <Subsentient> See the difference there?
[14:07:49] <janrinok> Subsentient: yes but I'm missing the point that you are making
[14:08:18] <Subsentient> janrinok: For me, different time zones make a difference of many hours, and there is no easy way to see what timezone slash is referring tro.
[14:10:02] <janrinok> SN or slash is using UTC internally, but _its_ local time if you do not log in yet view stories. It is UTC+5 if I recall, east coast somewhere. Your computer cannot change SN's displayed pages if you are not logged in.
[14:10:16] <janrinok> nor can SN send you pages in your preferred timezone
[14:10:53] <janrinok> I think I'm talking myself into gobbledyspook speak
[14:10:56] <nick> i just changed my time to MST, but indeed backslash still uses UTC
[14:11:31] <janrinok> You have to set the timezone that you desire in your options, don't you?
[14:11:36] <nick> yeah
[14:11:44] <nick> but it still doesn't change backslash
[14:12:22] <nick> so for now, Subsentient just keep in mind, whatever stories you do, the time will be 7hours ahead
[14:12:25] <janrinok> True, but if you are not logged in it defaults NOT to UTC, but the east coast USA, where SN is located
[14:13:01] <janrinok> seems like a daft choice of timezones for a default but, what the hell?
[14:13:43] <nick> seems fairly typical
[14:14:01] <nick> east cost america is generally the most active in my experience
[14:14:12] <nick> although that could well just be because timezones mean i see more east coast activity
[14:14:41] <janrinok> yeah, I sleep through most of the TZs significantly east of my bed...
[14:15:34] <janrinok> When I lived in Russia, I could travel throught 11 timezones and still be in the same country!
[14:15:44] <janrinok> through*
[14:16:16] <nick> must be tricky trying to do business with people the other end of the country
[14:18:16] <nick> should really make some lunch
[14:21:59] <janrinok> getting telephone calls tee'd up etc could be difficult
[14:22:11] <janrinok> time for tea
[14:52:15] <nick> stirfry chicken and noodles
[14:59:42] <janrinok> sounds good
[14:59:51] <janrinok> prolly smells good too
[15:00:27] <janrinok> salmon with chilli and ginger tonight, prolly with pasta
[15:04:32] <nick> salmon sounds good, i keep meaning to get some
[15:08:55] * mrcoolbp is waking up
[15:12:21] <nick> mornin' mrcoolbp
[15:12:32] <mrcoolbp> morning nick
[15:12:37] <mrcoolbp> how goes it
[15:12:51] * mrcoolbp hasn't had coffee yet so sugar coating would be ideal
[15:13:16] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: hi - NCommander 'stole' that task from me!
[15:13:38] <mrcoolbp> I saw that
[15:13:41] <janrinok> lol
[15:13:44] <mrcoolbp> sorry buddy
[15:13:47] <mrcoolbp> = )
[15:13:50] <janrinok> np
[15:14:12] * mrcoolbp is going to tweak it a bit, I will ask for review in 10 min
[15:14:15] <mrcoolbp> janrinok ^
[15:14:18] <janrinok> k
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[15:20:15] <janrinok> Subsentient: does your bot need to restart again now?
[15:20:30] <Subsentient> janrinok: No, I was wondering why it wasn't doing something, turns out it's my fault
[15:20:45] <Subsentient> I specifically passed $restart nosave because I was wondering if it was a bug
[15:21:04] <Subsentient> $help restart
[15:21:04] <aqu4> OWNERS: [$restart]: Tells me to restart myself. Pass nosave if you don't want me to remember session-specific channels etc.
[15:21:14] <janrinok> Subsentient: your fault? Surely you must be mistaken. Blame a computer!
[15:21:19] <Subsentient> lol
[15:22:44] <Subsentient> $restart
[15:22:44] <aqu4> Be right back.
[15:22:45] <aqu4> New aqu4bot instance loaded. Rebuilding list of users in channels. Please wait...
[15:22:52] <aqu4> Restart completed.
[15:23:30] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: it's your fault
[15:23:37] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: also please check
[15:23:40] <mrcoolbp> all set
[15:24:03] <janrinok> k looking
[15:25:07] <janrinok> looks good - nothing to do
[15:26:28] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: I'll reckon between 80 - 90 usable posts, your best guess?
[15:31:14] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: not sure actually
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[15:31:47] <mrcoolbp> was it something I said ?
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[15:31:58] <mrcoolbp> = )
[15:32:14] * mrcoolbp checks up on subsentient's progress
[15:32:18] <janrinok> ...engines wind down
[15:32:54] <janrinok> gosh, that was exciting
[15:33:12] <mrcoolbp> what happened?
[15:33:15] <janrinok> they could make a TV series of something like that....
[15:33:21] <mrcoolbp> ?
[15:33:32] <janrinok> the lag just kept on climbing
[15:34:57] <mrcoolbp> weirdo
[15:35:12] <janrinok> in _my_ world I'm normal
[15:35:22] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: I reached out to crutchy about writing a story about all the cool IRC stuff we've done
[15:35:38] <mrcoolbp> he didn't actually write one, but he enumerated some of the functions and stuff
[15:35:44] <janrinok> that'll be good
[15:35:54] <mrcoolbp> do you think any of the editors would want to compile into an article?
[15:35:59] <janrinok> I don't know more than a fraction of it
[15:36:04] <janrinok> yes, sure
[15:37:24] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: I can just dump the convo in here, but it's wall-o-text style
[15:37:29] <mrcoolbp> be forewarned
[15:38:00] <janrinok> lol - well we will give it our best shot
[15:38:32] <janrinok> could you pastebin it or something?
[15:38:55] <mrcoolbp> yah
[15:38:56] <mrcoolbp> sec
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[15:39:39] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: http://pastebin.com
[15:39:39] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03crutchy> mentioned in the batcave (#) cos that channel seems to be "bot central" - Pastebin.com
[15:39:44] <janrinok> thx
[15:39:50] <mrcoolbp> no thank you = )
[15:40:08] <janrinok> I/we haven't done anything yet....
[15:40:11] <mrcoolbp> maybe you can delegate/collaborate to nick or something
[15:40:15] <mrcoolbp> = )
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[15:40:46] <mrcoolbp> I have work in 2 hours, can assist till then if ya want
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[15:43:42] <nick> janrinok, if you want to have first go and then i'll take a look?
[15:44:06] <janrinok> well, terminology. What is the batcave or eggdrop
[15:44:23] <janrinok> nick: sure
[15:44:49] <mrcoolbp> batcave is channel # (##) I think
[15:44:58] <mrcoolbp> eggdrop is a scripting language IIRC
[15:44:59] <nick> eggdrop is a bot
[15:45:06] <nick> type of bot anyway
[15:45:08] <mrcoolbp> er a bot language
[15:45:28] <mrcoolbp> http://eggheads.org
[15:45:28] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Eggheads.org - Main Index
[15:45:31] <nick> "Eggdrop is a popular IRC bot and the oldest still being maintained"
[15:45:37] <mrcoolbp> there ya go
[15:45:46] <mrcoolbp> this is why I'm not writing the article = )
[15:46:02] <janrinok> lol
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[15:46:58] <janrinok> nick - I've posted enought stories today, I'll make a start on it this evening after I have got S settled down for the night
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[15:47:12] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: duh, why didn't I think of it
[15:47:19] <janrinok> enough* random 't's keeping appearing
[15:47:20] <Subsentient> mrcoolbp: ?
[15:47:31] <mrcoolbp> subsentient: can you assist janrinok with above task?
[15:47:48] <mrcoolbp> they are writing a story about SN IRC bots
[15:47:55] <Subsentient> mrcoolbp: :^D
[15:47:58] <janrinok> what, involve someone who knows what he is talking about - rediculous concept
[15:48:20] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: I asked crutchy to enumerate some of the bots:
[15:48:21] <mrcoolbp> http://pastebin.com
[15:48:21] <Hedonismbot> ^* 03crutchy> mentioned in the batcave (#) cos that channel seems to be "bot central" - Pastebin.com
[15:48:24] <nick> janrinok, i can take a look first if you want. i'm guessing we dont need to get it out ASAP.
[15:48:33] <mrcoolbp> nah no rush guys
[15:48:40] <nick> just putting a few stories in the queue and then i'll take a look at it
[15:48:53] <janrinok> OK, make a start and I'll pull something together as well, I'll start from the bottom working up....
[15:49:23] <mrcoolbp> nick: do you want to give the interview article a little more leeway? Looks like we don't have too much in the queue anyway
[15:49:43] <mrcoolbp> or we can make Subsentient do it for practice...
[15:49:53] <janrinok> I never knew we had so many channels active......
[15:50:06] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: I like your style of leadership!
[15:50:08] * Subsentient sneaks away to get out of the work
[15:50:30] <nick> i'll push it back half hour or so
[15:51:01] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: yah gotta delegate a bit. Sorry, I gotta go to work soon = )
[15:51:04] <Subsentient> Any story on IRC bots must be 93% boasting of aqu4's glory, and 7% talking about all the other lame bots.
[15:51:22] <mrcoolbp> okay so Subsentient is off of that job
[15:51:26] <mrcoolbp> = )
[15:51:57] <Subsentient> $beer aqu4
[15:51:58] * aqu4 gives aqu4 a cold can of beer
[15:56:24] <janrinok> Subsentient: assume the role of technical advisor in the production of this story
[15:56:36] * Subsentient puts on his technical advising hat
[15:56:57] <Subsentient> janrinok: kk
[15:57:12] <janrinok> lol - a special hat!
[15:57:14] <Subsentient> janrinok: Any links for me to see what's being produced or is it all mental now?
[15:58:05] <janrinok> no - we only got it a few minutes ago and I'll start work on it in an hour or 2 once I've got S taken care of. Nick is posting a few stories.
[16:01:49] <nick> im just about to put the Aliens movie story into the queue but it does very much need a second look over
[16:02:01] <janrinok> Subsentient: There are only a handful of stories in the submission queue. That is one reason why I was spacing at about 90-120 minutes this morning. It would be nice to have enough stories to see us through the evening and early hours, but Monday isn't a very good submission day. Still we might get a few more.
[16:02:26] <janrinok> nick ok - I'll give it a look but not immediately
[16:03:52] <janrinok> nick: ^
[16:05:50] <nick> there's a good few links in the story and ive edited it a fair bit to make it an easier read, but it's not going out until 21:00
[16:05:58] <nick> so whenever/whoever has the time between now and then
[16:06:18] <janrinok> k
[16:13:00] <nick> if anyone can think of a headline for the gchq story, would be nice
[16:14:01] <nick> also, at time i put it in the queue the links are dead; privacyinternational.org is spitting out 502 errors for all pages. i'm assuming it'd going to be live again before the story goes out in a few hours
[16:17:03] <mrcoolbp> nick: "Join the Campaign to Uncover GCHQ Spying" or something
[16:17:20] <mrcoolbp> "GCHQ Spying and You"
[16:17:23] <mrcoolbp> lol
[16:24:33] <nick> "Privacy International's Campaign to Uncover GCHQ Spying" ?
[16:25:38] <mrcoolbp> s/Uncover/something else/
[16:25:51] <mrcoolbp> expose, de-mystify,
[16:25:57] <mrcoolbp> I'm searching for a word
[16:26:16] <mrcoolbp> "Uncover" works, but it's already uncovered....
[16:26:22] <nick> yeah
[16:26:25] <nick> its not the best word
[16:27:11] <nick> expose might be better, but still doesnt fit quite right in context
[16:27:20] <nick> disclose?
[16:27:26] <mrcoolbp> might work
[16:29:58] <nick> "Privacy International's Campaign to Disclose Illegal GCHQ Spying"
[16:30:38] * mrcoolbp like
[16:31:03] <mrcoolbp> maybe add "Join Privacy Int...."
[16:31:08] <mrcoolbp> nick ^
[16:31:33] <nick> i dont think its our place to encourage
[16:31:46] <mrcoolbp> good point, article already does that
[16:31:47] <mrcoolbp> I'm guessing a lot of the comments will be: "sure sure, we'll just hand us all your info etc"
[16:32:12] <mrcoolbp> I meant these are the stories that becon the tinfoil beanies
[16:32:21] <nick> im interested in what/if any feedback there is going to be
[16:32:30] <mrcoolbp> there will be feedback
[16:32:51] <nick> because personally, i'm not going to put my name on it, i will just assume that they have been spying on me with legal and illegal justifications, such if life.
[16:32:54] <nick> is*
[16:35:22] <nick> but as i am reminded by members of my family, here in britain there has never been any expectation of privacy in communication, even if it might have been implicit in the legal system
[16:35:52] <nick> it's never been the case, communications internal and exteranl always been subject to monitoring
[16:37:45] <nick> ive even had to explain to them why ya'll americans (or some of you) care so much about it, with the fairly well defined legal principals of the consitution which explicitly state the rights and freedoms your entitled to as Americans
[16:38:49] <mrcoolbp> yeah, we no likey
[16:38:55] <nick> being educated to believe those fundamental principles are what govern the country and are supposed to restrict governments potential for tyranny
[16:39:04] <mrcoolbp> bam. nailed it
[16:39:17] <nick> whereas the UK is brought it up to just accept any whim from the current government
[16:39:27] <mrcoolbp> yeah that's weird to me
[16:39:29] <nick> or just ignoring the whole lot and dealing with 'the reality of the situation we're in now'
[16:39:39] <mrcoolbp> we are a whiney bunch tho eh?
[16:39:42] <nick> which is why no one in the UK really cares about being spied on all the time
[16:39:50] <mrcoolbp> well we do = )
[16:39:53] <nick> because if we don't, terrorists.
[16:40:11] <nick> but we had decades of terrorism and these kind of things being normal
[16:40:14] <nick> because of 'the troubles'
[16:41:49] <nick> i envy that you do have those defined rights to use easily
[16:44:08] <nick> the UK seems more concerned about removing whatever legal protections exist if only in theory
[16:44:17] <nick> because it makes law enforcement and stopping terrorist much harder
[16:45:28] <nick> we are exempt from the laws we wrote, because we know better, our government is too well established to ever abuse its power (idk how that logic works, but apparently)
[16:46:10] <nick> the laws, human rights and international law, is for the little people, those newer or backwards countries, not for us, we can use our discretion.
[16:47:30] <nick> actually, our constition comes in the form of... "the queen wouldn't let that happen."
[16:49:57] <mrcoolbp> lol
[16:50:01] * mrcoolbp goes to make breakfast
[16:50:09] <nick> damn nationality. international citizen for life.
[16:50:33] <nick> i need to go shop, but i cant remember what for
[16:50:41] <nick> fruit, vitamins and something else....
[17:09:26] <nick> janrinok, my plan for this evening is to manage the queue up until about 12:00UTC tomorrow, if we dont have enough subs to get us there, i'll make some subs myself
[18:59:20] <janrinok> ok - I'm back now and I've read your message
[19:03:40] <nick> wb
[19:03:59] <janrinok> was very nice salmon
[19:04:18] <nick> see you had been busy over weekend in my absence, so trying to give you a well deserved break
[19:04:20] <nick> awesome
[19:04:57] <janrinok> thx - I was very tired yesterday pm - and I didn't sleep well so I'm still knackered today.
[19:09:25] <paulej72> any eds still here
[19:09:30] <janrinok> yep
[19:09:59] <janrinok> paulej72: can I help, nick is here too?
[19:10:09] <paulej72> we have an RFC that we want to go out today. I have set not to display and just put in a no so good time slot
[19:10:23] <janrinok> so you want it out soonest?
[19:10:45] <paulej72> Can one of you look it over and make sure it is readable and fix the times on the other stores to make it fit OK
[19:10:48] <paulej72> Thanks
[19:10:59] <janrinok> np - consider it done
[19:11:38] <paulej72> probably soonest would be good. Want to get the most hits on it as possible
[19:11:44] <janrinok> k
[19:12:10] <janrinok> it will go in the next available slot and I'll move the story that is currently there
[19:12:25] <paulej72> thot sounds good
[19:16:02] <janrinok> paulej72: TheMightyBuzzard are either of you still working on the RFC story - the editor shows that you both are
[19:16:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh i had it open reading it
[19:16:18] <paulej72> I am done
[19:16:37] <janrinok> thx - otherwise changes get a bit confused. Carry on reading TheMightyBuzzard
[19:16:53] <TheMightyBuzzard> closed now. that's what happens when you let devs n admins edit.
[19:17:45] <paulej72> :)
[19:18:30] <nick> what did i miss
[19:19:02] <paulej72> world came to and end, but restared just where it left off. No one noticed
[19:19:13] <janrinok> nothing nick - I'm just editing a story that they want out fairly quickly and then I'll reshuffle the list to get it out
[19:19:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok, any time in the next 15 seconds is fine. no rush.</joke>
[19:19:59] <nick> im having a read of it now
[19:20:34] <janrinok> TheMightyBuzzard: yeah - I'm actually just deleting it all and refilling the text with personal insults to all the devs
[19:20:50] * TheMightyBuzzard is especially proud of working the I ♥ Moose Wang bit into a serious story
[19:21:02] <janrinok> so was I - UTF FTW
[19:21:20] <nick> lol
[19:21:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh ya, edity guys, use proper unicode if ya can from now on. no need to ੩ anymore.
[19:22:39] <janrinok> nick: what the hell is unicode anyway?
[19:22:46] <paulej72> Also if you can leave off http: and https: from SN links that would be awsome too
[19:22:50] <janrinok> ;-)
[19:23:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, didja fix the one i did that on?
[19:23:08] <nick> lol
[19:23:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> numfar, do the dance of shame
[19:23:37] <nick> there's something going on today, too high spirits for a monday.
[19:23:44] <paulej72> I believe I did, but the question did it take as I saved multiple times
[19:23:52] <TheMightyBuzzard> shurg
[19:24:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh, my coffee finally kicked in. i was worthless all morning.
[19:24:23] <janrinok> paulej72: TheMightyBuzzard: I would remove the http(s) but someone has put that link in the RFC draft. Now, I wonder who that was....?
[19:25:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> see above re: dance of shame
[19:25:33] <nick> 4) Making Spam not cost mod points but limiting it to 5/day .... making/marking?
[19:26:01] * TheMightyBuzzard eyes paulej72
[19:26:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> 35 files changed... you bastard...
[19:26:16] <janrinok> I've changed that to marking, nick
[19:26:25] <nick> cool
[19:26:35] <nick> just took a couple reads to comprehend what was going on there
[19:26:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> marking?
[19:27:00] <nick> the way i read it at first, was you're allowed to spam the site 5 times a day
[19:27:05] <paulej72> Making Spam mods not cost ....
[19:27:09] <janrinok> the draft read "Making Spam not to cost mod points...
[19:27:23] <janrinok> I think you mean 'Marking Spam..."
[19:27:27] <TheMightyBuzzard> making makes sense, marking just wtfs happen
[19:27:50] <nick> with paulej72's addition of mods makes more sense
[19:27:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> swap it to Spam mods to not cost ...
[19:28:00] <nick> but as it was originally, i read it twice as you're free to spam 5 times a day
[19:28:05] <janrinok> k
[19:28:08] <TheMightyBuzzard> save a word
[19:30:07] <nick> otherwise it reads fine
[19:30:24] <nick> nothing else is jumping out at me
[19:32:36] <TheMightyBuzzard> which is pretty good for me. i should go find one of my english teachers and give her an apple. not the one who thought bilingual meant you couldn't speak english though. that guy was a retard.
[19:33:05] <janrinok> nick: I've just update and repositioned it - final read through please
[19:36:16] <nick> taught english by someone who didnt know the meaning of bilingual?
[19:36:21] <nick> janrinok, on my way
[19:37:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> nick, i shit you not. my 9th grade english teacher thought that. sent me to the office when i showed him in a dictionary.
[19:37:23] <nick> that is insanity
[19:37:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> and a biting commentary on the state of public education
[19:38:32] <nick> shows a basic failing on their part of understanding the language, even if they hadn't seen the word much "bi" and "lingual" should give them a fucking clue
[19:38:49] <TheMightyBuzzard> truth
[19:39:28] <nick> i thought it was bad when my english teacher said the only reason she was a teacher#
[19:39:40] <nick> was due to it being a shorter studying time than being a nurse
[19:39:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> ha!
[19:39:57] <janrinok> ... and nurses look sexier
[19:39:59] <nick> to move from South Africa to the UK
[19:40:12] <nick> i appreciated the honesty, but thought it was quite shocking at the same time
[19:40:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> well honestly i should hope so. nobody gonna die if you fuck up some grammar, usually.
[19:40:45] <nick> well yeah, but it's not very good indicator of being an educator is a vocation
[19:41:03] <nick> it was just a job, no passion for it
[19:41:43] <nick> janrinok, only change I would make: So given the legitimate concerns of gamification of karma scores leading to lower quality comments raised by some users in regards to our RFC: Reworking Karma post, we agree and the idea has been scrapped.
[19:41:50] <nick> is just remove the "So"
[19:41:57] <nick> from the start of that sentence
[19:42:13] <janrinok> k - wilco
[19:42:27] <nick> whos going to do it, i see you and paulej72 on the story
[19:42:29] <janrinok> ... which mean 'will comply' in aircrew speak
[19:42:37] <janrinok> I am editing
[19:42:37] <nick> ah
[19:42:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> i'm even cool with that as long as they're good at it. i never had any passion for my job until i got into my own business. well cept my stint in the army.
[19:42:59] <nick> TheMightyBuzzard, she was good in the way she didnt mind me sleeping in class, as long as i didnt disrupt,
[19:43:54] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, i had a biology teacher like that. she was awesome. great freaking legs too. came to class on halloween as tinkerbell.
[19:44:30] <janrinok> I misread that completely - I thought you said 'Didn't mind sleeping with me in class' - Must do ONE thing at once...
[19:44:41] <nick> haha
[19:44:59] <TheMightyBuzzard> ya, that would have been an epic teacher not a good one.
[19:45:08] <nick> coming to class as tinkerbell is a pretty bold move
[19:45:13] <janrinok> TheMightyBuzzard: I obviously went to the wrong school
[19:45:58] <TheMightyBuzzard> i don't think any straight guy in class that day heard a word she said. there is simply no way to wear a tinkerbell outfit and not look slutty as nine kinds of hell.
[19:46:31] <janrinok> TheMightyBuzzard: is that RFC story the first one you have edited and released yourself? You do not show as Author - but that is a known bug on a first release
[19:47:06] <TheMightyBuzzard> probably. also a good chance i'm not in the authors cache
[19:47:29] <janrinok> you will be but only after it goes out and the magic fairy visits the system during the night
[19:48:04] <nick> oh janrinok, one thing you might have missed in a discussion in here at some point
[19:48:11] <janrinok> go ahead
[19:48:27] <nick> the <h3> tags apparently break something, so if you're keeping headlines on merged stories, replace <h3>'s with <b>
[19:48:54] <janrinok> sounds like a dev problem to me ;-)
[19:49:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> why not <h4>?
[19:49:24] <janrinok> I might have to edit our wiki entry on format or something...
[19:49:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> janrinok, stop making more work for me!
[19:50:14] <janrinok> ah devs, [$DEITY] bless 'em
[19:50:22] <nick> it's not something that we have to worry about all that often
[19:50:31] <janrinok> don't tell him that....
[19:50:45] <nick> and personally I think bold makes it an easier read than the larger <h3>
[19:50:50] <janrinok> it's just moved 4 places down the bug list on that comment alone
[19:50:59] <nick> lol
[19:52:34] <paulej72> fixed
[19:52:51] <janrinok> the <h3> bug?
[19:52:53] <paulej72> TheMightyBuzzard author status
[19:52:58] <janrinok> ah
[19:53:24] <paulej72> <h3>'s break the sanity of the page for screen readers
[19:53:25] <TheMightyBuzzard> oh. well crap. i keep tryin to be just a dev and keep getting more stuff stuck to me.
[19:53:55] <paulej72> the headlines are <h3>s so anything below a headline should be <h4> or lower
[19:54:07] <janrinok> yeah, come on TMB, you have another 4 stories to get out before you finish today.
[19:54:20] * TheMightyBuzzard sighs
[19:54:38] <TheMightyBuzzard> thankfully, i have mandatory nap time in my contract.
[19:55:00] <nick> i think you'll find that only applies to dev work...
[19:55:08] <janrinok> lol
[19:55:17] * TheMightyBuzzard quickly edits the contract
[19:55:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> hey, if AT&T can do it to me...
[19:55:35] <janrinok> if you edit that quickly, your 4 stories shouldn't take long
[19:55:51] <nick> haha
[19:57:51] <TheMightyBuzzard> okay, my hands is shaking. going to get a sammich, then a nap, then get back to reading through paulej72's 35 freaking files worth of pull request
[19:58:15] <paulej72> :)
[19:58:26] <paulej72> its less than NCommander's
[19:58:33] <janrinok> I'm pleased to see that the dross has finally been deleted from the Subs list. I've taken out quite a bit over the last few days, but it looks more timely and relevant now
[19:58:57] <janrinok> TMN have a good eat and sleep.
[19:59:06] <janrinok> TMB*
[19:59:20] <nick> I rarely delete anything from the list, i think it ends up we're all waiting for someone else to make the executive decision
[20:00:07] <janrinok> I let others see if they can make a story out of it - but after a while I just bin it and wait to see if anyone complains. They never have!
[20:00:48] <paulej72> waaah waaay someone deleted my utterly pants sub
[20:01:54] <nick> janrinok, i guess you dont count gewg_ in 'anyone' ;)
[20:02:09] <janrinok> paulej72: I don't let that keep me awake at night
[20:03:25] <janrinok> gewg_ occasionally produces a good story. I often have to try to remove the politics or the 'hash' bias, but he has his uses. He and Hugh Pickens both provide a fair number of stories whether they are universally liked or not.
[20:04:45] <janrinok> I made a comment a few days back - if I stop posting all of gewg's stories, I am effectively stopping his free speech - something we said we would never do
[20:05:04] <nick> i like the majority of his stories
[20:05:24] <nick> but they're not all that 'relevant' to the site sometimes, and im pretty open when it comes to the subject matter we cover
[20:06:00] <janrinok> I certainly don't find them all biased or too left wing - but compared to here in France, both US parties are fairly right wing...
[20:07:05] <janrinok> 70% tech, 30% what people want to talk about.
[20:07:07] <paulej72> hey I resemble that remark :P
[20:07:40] <paulej72> is it beer o'clock yet
[20:07:53] <janrinok> it's always beer o'clock
[20:08:21] <nick> what janrinok said
[20:08:24] <paulej72> brb, i have to return some coffee to the wild
[20:08:28] <janrinok> it's never too early, you are just late from yesterday's drinking
[20:10:16] <nick> time for me to decide on dinner
[20:10:53] <paulej72> back
[20:12:39] <janrinok> the CowboyNeal thread has some good questions but a lot are squandering the opportunity. Still, that's the community we serve.
[20:13:20] <paulej72> what's your favorite food ??
[20:13:36] <janrinok> is that to me or CN?
[20:14:21] <janrinok> I love curry - medium but aromatic curry, lemon rice, a naan bread or two, and a good cool real ale.
[20:15:15] <janrinok> paulej72: or perhaps my eyes had already glazed over when that question flashed past on my screen
[20:15:50] <paulej72> is that the kind of question you were looking for?
[20:16:13] <janrinok> it's better than some that have been submitted :o
[20:20:51] <janrinok> Damn, the evening is passing quickly, only a few minutes until I must go.
[20:25:04] <nick> mmmm naan bread
[20:27:20] <janrinok> real, home-made, freshly-baked naan bread
[20:27:36] <nick> so jealous right now
[20:28:40] <nick> i have some frozen burgers cooking right now, and i get back to read about a nice curry with lemon rice and naan bread
[20:28:43] <nick> is not fair
[20:34:13] <janrinok> well, I must confess that we try to eat well. Not large quantities, but I try to cook a varied and tasty diet.
[20:35:45] <janrinok> but I must go - have a good evening and I'll do some more work on the bots story tomorrow. Have a good day, nick.
[20:35:55] <nick> take care janrinok
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[20:35:57] <nick> :)