#editorial | Logs for 2015-02-23

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[02:13:44] <juggs> Hi Eds! :D Not sure what I managed to do, but somehow I ended up with 2 versions of my Subscriptions - RFC story :/ (I edited a window I had open from yesterday!). I see two in the story list - one with mrcoolbp as the Author and one with myself. I have unchecked "Display" on mine and set the date well into March - which I think means it won't go out before someone who knows how to use the editing functions properly (clearly not me!) can properl
[02:13:44] <juggs> y kill it :D
[02:14:16] <juggs> Thanks kindly :)
[02:16:05] <n1> i will do editor magic and lose it in the abyss!
[02:18:37] <n1> it's gone from being in the way
[02:19:12] <juggs> thanks Nick
[02:20:14] <juggs> editor wizardry - I was just trying to clarify the "fill your boots" phrase that seemed to have certain US eds confused. Seems martyb got to that in his version.
[02:22:57] <n1> the current editor solution for the dupe/mistake story situation is setting it to an invalid time/date and that sends it to the start of the stories list and out the way of now/whats been published.
[02:23:30] <n1> not elegant, but it works and keeps things tidy
[02:23:41] <n1> 'fill your boots' doesn't translate?
[02:23:48] <n1> kind of surprising
[02:38:05] <juggs> apparently not - I believe at one point it was edited to read "fill our boots". Same words, subtly different language. It's interesting. Teach me to use UK colloquialisms!
[02:44:14] <n1> it is usually best to just write in american online, avoid that whole mess!
[02:46:22] <juggs> to be fair, it was late and I was slightly lubricated with Polish beer when I submitted that - just sort of threw it together :D
[02:48:46] <n1> heh
[02:48:56] <n1> i havn't tried many of the polish beers
[02:49:00] <n1> any suggestions?
[02:59:03] <juggs> Zubr. It's become a SABMiller brand now, but so far it hasn't changed. http://en.kp.pl I'd describe it as a full bodied slightly malty lager - bit darker in colour to the typical fizz pump shite. Bit of beast at 6% mind, you're not driving legally after even one can. Seems to be in most independent offies / 7-11 type shops around here.
[02:59:05] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Żubr: an instant hit!
[02:59:48] <juggs> Tyskie is OK I guess.. but a bit insipid.
[03:00:33] <n1> Will try Zubr!
[03:00:50] <n1> Sounds like the right beer for me
[03:01:22] <n1> have seen it in all the offies
[03:02:21] <juggs> We seem to have a lot of Eastern Europeans living around my parts so I guess these things naturally follow. Have quite a few Polska shops too - good for cured sausage stuff - which works well with the beer if one is not afraid cholesterol laden pork products :D
[03:02:36] <n1> and am trying to support the local trader and stop buying my beer and tobacco vices from the supermarkets
[03:03:48] <n1> the polish seem to be national, i think all the local shops have stuff for the polish community now.
[03:04:02] <n1> even if it's just the beers
[03:04:44] <juggs> Supermarkets used to be good for beer offers, but these days the local corner shop seems to have better prices, more choice and are independent. Supermarkets seem tied to the Carlsberg borg and charge extortionately for anything in a bottle.
[03:05:26] <n1> 3 for £5 is a scam imho
[03:06:21] <n1> any time i try and get beer from tesco express, end up with a 4 pack of becks vier, anything else is over priced or fosters.
[03:06:59] <n1> remember getting good deals on beer back some years ago, from the main stores, but not any time ive been in say the last 3
[03:07:03] <juggs> I love visiting my brother in Berlin when it comes to beers. Every few blocks there is an independent beer shop. Crates stacked floor to ceiling of the most wonderful German beers at ~30-50p a bottle (off sales are hardly taxed).
[03:07:57] <n1> damn germany, cheap beer and smokes.
[03:08:04] <n1> >:
[03:13:09] <juggs> not that cheap for smokes these days. But beer - yeh. They also have their "purity laws" for beer - which means you don't get all manner of sweeteners or other additives in the stuff. Still, a few hefe dunkel will give you a stonking headache the next day and a need to be near a loo! :D
[03:19:53] <n1> was much cheaper than here when i went last year
[03:20:23] <n1> less than half the price, maybe 1/3.
[03:20:31] <n1> for rolling tobacco anyway
[03:24:30] <juggs> I have a fondness for Berlin. Technically they are broke, but it is a fantastic laid back place with a buzzing tech scene out east.
[03:25:54] <mrcoolbp> okay you guys are really making me want good beer now
[03:26:31] <n1> i only have bad beer right now :/
[03:26:43] <juggs> have a cold one mrcoolbp - you know it makes sense
[03:28:03] <mrcoolbp> hmmm, lets see, I have whiskey, that'll do
[03:28:24] <n1> what whiskey?
[03:28:41] <mrcoolbp> nuthing good, Jim beam is fine for mixing with coke though = )
[03:28:59] * mrcoolbp likes bourbon and scotch tho
[03:29:08] <n1> for shame, there's no excuse when you live in the US and end up with Jim Beam
[03:30:21] <mrcoolbp> s'cheap tho
[03:30:23] <n1> i'll drink it happily, but thats because it's one of only 3-4 american whiskeys that are available in this country.
[03:32:24] <n1> dont know why jack daniels and jim beam got the monopoly on exporting american whiskey
[03:34:01] <mrcoolbp> n1: that's simple not possible. Go to a nice liquor store and ask for bourbon
[03:34:25] <mrcoolbp> there are a huge variety of craft bourbons that I'm sure some get exported
[03:34:33] <n1> and i'd have to pay for it on the credit card lol
[03:34:58] <mrcoolbp> n1: they are just the big names in half-decent inexpensive bourbon
[03:35:11] <n1> there are places to get it, but there is a premium on it
[03:35:21] <mrcoolbp> the alcohol industry in US is messed up (read the wars and prohibition combined)
[03:36:24] <n1> A 700ml bottle of JD sells retail here for $30+
[03:36:37] <mrcoolbp> wow
[03:36:55] <n1> Makers Mark is the best you can get here normally, and that can be $40-$45
[03:36:59] <n1> same for Wild Turkey
[03:37:00] <mrcoolbp> n1: it's so easy to make if you have a still and a few hillbillies
[03:37:20] <mrcoolbp> n1: maker's is decent. But I'm talking about the aged bourbons
[03:37:34] <mrcoolbp> you get caramel, sweet, oaky, vanilla etc.
[03:37:39] <mrcoolbp> nutty
[03:37:50] <mrcoolbp> shit they are good, but those start around 40-50 here
[03:38:20] <n1> yeah, that was my point.. thats what i'm paying for the mass produced, 'inexpensive' and most popular bottles
[03:39:09] <n1> amazon is probably my best bet for finding some good stuff for a reasonable price...
[03:39:50] <n1> any suggestions of the type you're talking about?
[03:41:04] <n1> http://www.amazon.co.uk
[03:41:06] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Evan Williams 1783 Small Batch Kentucky Straight Bourbon Whisky 70 cl: Amazon.co.uk: Grocery
[03:41:13] <n1> is where i'd be heading most likely
[03:41:48] <mrcoolbp> this one's pretty good actually http://www.amazon.co.uk
[03:41:51] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Blanton's Bourbon Special Reserve Whisky 70 cl: Amazon.co.uk: Grocery
[03:42:10] <n1> looks classy
[03:42:14] <mrcoolbp> http://www.amazon.co.uk
[03:42:16] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Blanton's Bourbon Original Whisky 70 cl: Amazon.co.uk: Grocery
[03:42:44] <mrcoolbp> decent: http://www.amazon.co.uk
[03:42:48] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Woodford Reserve Bourbon 43.2% 70cl: Amazon.co.uk: Grocery
[03:44:05] <n1> might be able to treat myself to some blanton's if this season goes to plan
[03:44:40] <n1> thanks for the suggestions
[03:47:00] <mrcoolbp> no prob man
[03:47:22] <mrcoolbp> n1: can definitely tell you some scotch that will blow your mind, but it'll cost you (for the scotch)
[03:47:40] <mrcoolbp> 21 year, aged in port barrels
[03:47:49] <n1> not actually a fan of scotch, that would be too easy ;)
[03:47:55] <mrcoolbp> had a 30 year that was insane
[03:48:14] <mrcoolbp> n1: you haven't tried this
[03:48:49] <n1> the best scotch i had was talisker, don't know how long it was aged though
[04:02:27] <juggs> My fave is Dalwhinnie. Scotch is such an individual taste though, some like the dark peaty types, some like the amber coloured light types. Horses for courses. I suspect the lack of US malts in the UK is to some extent due to protection of the Scots malts and likely vice versa.
[04:04:48] <mrcoolbp> the peat/smoke is an aquired taste as well
[04:05:38] <n1> would need to find the right one to get me into scotch, the best introduction for my tastes
[04:09:14] <mrcoolbp> n1: Balvenie 21year Port-wood would have you hooked I'm tellin' ya
[04:09:46] <mrcoolbp> https://www.masterofmalt.com
[04:09:48] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Balvenie 21 Year Old PortWood Finish Whisky - Master of Malt
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[18:21:58] <n1> wb janrinok
[18:24:27] <janrinok> hi nick
[18:24:44] <janrinok> how was the Finest Chicken do-dah-whatsit?
[18:25:21] <n1> it was better than expected
[18:26:18] <janrinok> well, that was a foregone, but doesn't mean it was _good_
[18:26:35] <n1> just getting ready to head out shortly, but currently feeling the pain of two "disagree" mods and no reply to clarify why.
[18:27:04] <n1> it was good by tesco prepared meal standards
[18:27:12] <n1> so overall, 6/10
[18:27:28] <janrinok> I'm not happy with disagree mods. They change the original comment where they should refer to the new comment being made, imho
[18:27:58] <n1> that would be better
[18:28:08] <janrinok> Just because someone disagrees it doesn't necessarily mean the the original comment was wrong
[18:28:14] <n1> having two people tell me they disagree without giving any kind of feedback is not very helpful
[18:30:03] <n1> comment in question: http://soylentnews.org
[18:30:03] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SN comment by n1 (993)
[18:30:25] <janrinok> looking
[18:31:34] <n1> now there is room for countering my statements, but just saying disagree doesnt clarify where i'm wrong in their opinion
[18:31:51] <janrinok> as staff, you should be able to see who down modded you - then you can ask them
[18:32:34] <janrinok> go to your personnal comments page and all should be revealed
[18:32:37] <n1> yeah, i can see who did it, but thats not fair to single people out like that
[18:32:47] <n1> as i only have that advantage as staff
[18:33:07] <janrinok> nope - but that's another reason I dislike the Disagree mod - I cannot see the point of it
[18:33:40] <n1> i agree with you!
[18:33:47] <janrinok> under the previous system people had to write something to explain why they disagreed
[18:34:06] <janrinok> now they just down mod you
[18:34:18] <janrinok> intelligent comment killer
[18:35:17] <n1> yeah, people are totally free to disagree but please damn it people, help me learn from my mistakes rather than just pointing them out!
[18:36:06] <janrinok> disagree!
[18:36:13] <mrcoolbp> the "+0 Dissagree" was an experiment, it still might be better than using some other -1 mod to disagree. Some people are too lazy to type = )
[18:36:18] <janrinok> oh, sry, that is not what you meant....
[18:36:30] <mrcoolbp> not sure though
[18:36:43] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: yeah but have you had any other feedback yet?
[18:37:08] <mrcoolbp> other people also don't like it, and some people want overrated back
[18:37:17] <mrcoolbp> (this is from comments and not admin@ emails)
[18:37:26] <n1> if people disagree that strongly with my comment, i could easily see them just marking it as troll so i think mrcoolbp has a point
[18:37:48] <janrinok> I was never too keen on over-rated either - what we want is an intelligent debate, not a down mod and run
[18:37:55] <n1> but then disagree has a problem in itself, you cant disagree that someone else disagrees with you
[18:38:03] <mrcoolbp> n1: I'm just spit-balling here but I think that was the thinking behind the idea. I'm not advocating either way
[18:38:20] <mrcoolbp> n1: you sure can, you just mod +1 something
[18:38:34] <n1> yeah, but i mean it in the way that a bad disagree mod
[18:38:39] <n1> is more likely to stand than a bad troll mod
[18:39:37] <n1> it's just a little frustrating, i want to hear the other perspective damn it!
[18:40:25] <janrinok> we want an intelligent comment of some sort to follow any critical mod really, other than Troll which is self-evident I believe
[18:40:46] <mrcoolbp> ^
[18:40:55] <mrcoolbp> can't force 'em to comment
[18:41:17] <janrinok> no, but currently it is a quick click to kill a comment by false praise
[18:41:38] <janrinok> perhaps got my metaphors mixed or whatever it was I just did...
[18:41:54] <n1> there is no perfect solution but now it's affected me personally, i am against the disagree mod!
[18:42:05] * n1 rages!
[18:42:36] <janrinok> How about - If you down mod then a comment box automatically appears for the explanation. If the comment box is left empty or is filled with garbage then it should be easy to spot and undo the mod
[18:43:16] <n1> but seriously, the disagree mod as it is right now, personally I dont think is helpful.
[18:43:54] <janrinok> and now I agree with you - mutual agreement mods all round
[18:44:21] <n1> lol
[18:45:21] <n1> really need to leave soon, got distracted with the subscriptions RFC story
[18:45:35] <janrinok> get your stuff ready for tomorrow
[18:45:55] <janrinok> press some iron to make sure that you are in peak form
[18:46:02] <janrinok> have another meal
[18:46:13] <janrinok> have a beer
[18:46:40] <n1> a beer does sound good this evening
[18:46:42] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: "kill a comment" ?
[18:47:27] <janrinok> well, I tend to skip comments that are assessed as a waste of time - and the disagree mod tends to suggest a negative view rather than a positive one
[18:47:46] <janrinok> I would rather read an intelligent reply
[18:48:17] <janrinok> perhaps that is my problem and failure to understand what the disagree mod is intended to signify
[18:51:40] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: I think that we have too many possible moderation reasons. I can understand the need to suppress trolls and offtopics, and perhaps acknowledge when a comment has something to particularly recommend it, but most of the others seem to reduce discussion.
[18:52:47] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: could just go to plus/minus, but I think that would be met with backlash = )
[18:54:00] <janrinok> maybe - we need to sell it better. Either what we have or why we are changing. The point of the site is discussion and we should maximise that somehow. It is the comments that attract more users, increase revenue, etc
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[20:16:18] <n1> change of location complete
[20:16:26] <n1> and a new tesco finest dinner to be had :/
[20:21:05] <janrinok> lol
[20:22:19] <janrinok> just done a posting session to see us through the night. Now, don't forget to get a good nights sleep before you go digging trenches....
[20:24:00] <janrinok> n1: ^
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[20:26:31] <nick> lagging something terrible right now
[20:26:37] <nick> <+n1> nice, i'll check the queue before i go to bed later. no digging trenches tomorrow thankfully but do have some cable runs to do
[20:26:51] <janrinok> Oh, is that just as much fun?
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[20:27:15] <janrinok> I assume that is like a cat 5 cable run, or video cable maybe
[20:27:25] <nick> it should be fine actually, but however fine cable running is, i would still prefer to avoid it!
[20:27:34] <nick> yeah, cat5e
[20:28:13] <janrinok> I'll think of you when I have muy umpteenth cup of tea in my warm home
[20:28:22] <nick> lol thanks
[20:28:45] <nick> altough for dinner this evening i will be having Tesco Finest Pig Cheeks in Red Wine Sauce
[20:28:57] <janrinok> gewg been doing a lot of subs recently. I try to vary submitters but he had 6 in the queue at one point.
[20:29:24] <nick> yeah i think i saw last night he put a bunch in
[20:29:31] <janrinok> Finest Pig Cheeks - they didn't do the pig much good, did they?
[20:29:53] <janrinok> brb
[20:30:03] <nick> lol
[20:31:47] <nick> dont recall ever having them before, but apparently the cheeks are the most tasty part of a pig
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[20:43:26] <janrinok> they are a good cut of meat, as you say. Where do my evenings go? It feel like I just sat down at the computer and it's time to go take care of S - who is well today, just for info
[20:44:29] <n1> if i see your evenings, i'll make sure to point them back in your direction
[20:44:40] <janrinok> thanks lol
[20:44:40] <n1> otherwise, good to hear S is doing well :)
[20:45:55] <janrinok> thx - but got to go unfortunately. See tomorrow after your cable pulling session. Take care
[20:46:55] <n1> you too :) be safe
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