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[13:04:53] <LaminatorX> You there, Subsentient?
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[16:09:26] <n1> hows #editorial?
[16:09:54] <janrinok> going ok i guess
[16:10:56] <janrinok> We got a comment on one of the threads about a sub - after investigation the story was submitted, edited and ready to go in 14 minutes. That's something of a record for a routine story. Congrats
[16:11:06] <n1> apologies for my late editing last night, from when i left here yesterday afternoon i basically spent all afternoon sitting in traffic ¬_¬
[16:11:16] <n1> yeah, i saw all that
[16:11:23] <janrinok> np - you played a blinder. I was very impressed
[16:11:25] <n1> if it wasnt like 4am, i would have merged the stories
[16:11:57] <janrinok> I have pointed that out to the complainant.
[16:12:03] <n1> and the story went live about an hour after i edited it, so it was the smallest window possible to have a dupe
[16:12:23] <n1> so yeah, the one time we get breaking news as it happens, we upset someone lol
[16:12:24] <janrinok> One day we get rebuked for not editing stories quickly enough, the next for editing too quickly :)
[16:13:00] <janrinok> He should have looked at the pending stories before pressing submit...
[16:13:34] <n1> i also made the assumption someone with karma score of 50 would be a bit more understanding
[16:13:40] <janrinok> I don't think anyone is really upset
[16:13:48] <n1> yeah, frustrated though
[16:13:55] <janrinok> that's life
[16:14:11] <n1> and i get why, but really it was lucky i didnt fall asleep during the process!
[16:14:19] <janrinok> lol
[16:14:44] <mrcoolbp> any sign of LamX ?
[16:14:59] <n1> mrcoolbp, havn't seen anything from him lately
[16:15:03] <n1> not been on the emails?
[16:15:27] <mrcoolbp> I sent him one on his SN email, haven't tried his personal yet
[16:15:37] <janrinok> he's edited a few stories but not he's not appeared on here
[16:17:19] <mrcoolbp> should I try his personal email?
[16:17:55] <janrinok> why not - if he's busy I'm sure he will say (politely)
[16:18:00] <n1> might be worth it, just to keep in contact. would assume he's just busy at the moment
[16:18:23] <n1> and maybe a little burned out so taking an informal break
[16:18:43] <mrcoolbp> right, if he's super busy I don't want to bother him, but at the same time I'm trying to get more help for his team....
[16:19:00] <janrinok> we been short of Eds recently and he has worked hard during that period
[16:19:09] <janrinok> *we've been
[16:20:25] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: as I think I said, I have the capacity to train a few up but I lack authority to put them on to the live system
[16:20:34] <mrcoolbp> xactly
[16:21:44] <n1> psh, you trained me... look how well that worked out ;)
[16:22:22] <janrinok> true
[16:22:51] <janrinok> but you can't only throw so much shit at a wall before the wall falls down....
[16:23:04] <janrinok> :)
[16:23:28] <janrinok> *you can
[16:23:58] <n1> I was really impressed last night by dw861's submission
[16:24:42] <n1> no copy/pasta, easy and informative read
[16:25:41] <janrinok> yes, I thought it would have attracted more comments
[16:25:52] <n1> me too
[16:25:59] <n1> but im used to being wrong about that lol
[16:26:16] <janrinok> the subs list is not looking too healthy for the start of the weekend
[16:26:45] * mrcoolbp copies Lamx personal email
[16:26:54] <janrinok> thanks mrcoolbp
[16:27:02] <mrcoolbp> np
[16:27:21] <n1> i'll try and do some subs over this evening and tomorrow to keep things topped up
[16:28:15] <janrinok> n1: I did some training with LancePodstrong last weekend, he should be ready to come aboard the editorial ship anytime soon. And I believe that subsentient has been showing interest/being pushed our way too.
[16:28:44] <n1> still waiting for an editor who is an expert in all things dark matter...
[16:28:50] <janrinok> lol
[16:29:18] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: I don't think we should be afraid to slow down the queue on slower days
[16:29:30] <n1> we already do really
[16:29:32] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: no we often do
[16:29:56] <n1> if there's over 2 hours between stories we really are slowing down
[16:30:26] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: but there's not even enough 'good' stories to get us through tomorrow so well have to go looking ourselves.
[16:30:44] <mrcoolbp> = /
[16:31:14] <n1> same happened the other day, hence my 3 submissions on thursday
[16:31:23] <n1> because there was fuck all worth going with in the queue
[16:31:24] <janrinok> noted - and appreciated
[16:31:48] <n1> it's frustrating
[16:32:01] <mrcoolbp> okay, well keep up the good work guys, keep me posted
[16:32:08] <n1> but i dont really mind it, it's hard to get the ball rolling the way we want
[16:32:35] <n1> people dont want to put in a submission, and it only get 10 comments i figure
[16:33:05] <janrinok> and the weekend tends to attract more ACs posting crap unfortunately.
[16:33:27] <n1> but i think the weekend being generally quiet is not the end of the world, as i thought it kind of was before
[16:33:44] <n1> it's just that most of the community contribute from work
[16:34:02] <n1> and keep the weekends to themselves/family/friends
[16:34:04] <n1> is my assumption
[16:34:19] <janrinok> no - but we have to be wary of the site looking like its struggling and then people start wandering off never to return
[16:34:33] <n1> oh indeed, if the site is completely dead on the weekend it's not a good thing
[16:35:00] <mrcoolbp> we are always going to have more traffic during the week guys
[16:35:08] <n1> but we shouldn't be worried if traffic drops on the weekend
[16:35:31] <n1> the week crowd dont see the lack of activity on the weekend kind of thing
[16:35:33] <n1> if you know what i mean
[16:36:05] <janrinok> not the end of the world - but a minor set-back in my view
[16:36:12] <n1> agreed
[16:36:36] <n1> it's not what i want either, but i can see why it happens
[16:36:44] <janrinok> ditto
[16:37:10] <n1> and it arguably puts the site in a better demographic, people in gainful employment
[16:37:33] <janrinok> ..or at least employment, gainful or otherwise
[16:37:44] <n1> wishful thinking maybe
[16:37:45] <n1> heh
[16:38:16] <n1> but to get a real representation of whats going on, we'd need to compare traffic changes on the weekends to other tech news sites
[16:38:52] <janrinok> you mean those sites where we get out news from?
[16:38:58] <n1> aye
[16:39:28] <janrinok> I think it's despicable that they don't do more to support us....
[16:39:35] <n1> rofl
[16:39:55] <n1> "For discussion on this article, please check out soylentnews some time in the next 2 or 3 days..."
[16:40:06] <janrinok> lol
[16:40:45] <mrcoolbp> any sign of Azrael? feel like active editor pool is shrinking
[16:41:28] <n1> i think he put up a story a few days ago
[16:42:06] <janrinok> He pops up on #soylent and put out 1 story a few days back. He's been having a hard time at home I believe. He nearly moved to London with his job, but that doesn't look like its happening now
[16:42:28] <janrinok> perhaps that should read 'difficult time'
[16:42:50] <n1> 2 stories since november, and one was about a week ago, so still there in the shadows
[16:43:04] <mrcoolbp> I see
[16:43:10] <mrcoolbp> who else do we have?
[16:43:32] <n1> i'm guessing zizban probably wont be returning
[16:43:36] <janrinok> martyb has been helping out - although less so in the last few days
[16:43:49] <janrinok> zizban has all but disappeared
[16:43:53] <n1> and Woods also :/
[16:45:01] <janrinok> A few of them came aboard last summer, so I'm wondering if their absence is college related rather than disinterest
[16:45:01] <n1> Woods hasn't edited a story since october 7th, zizban since july.
[16:45:25] <n1> janrinok, thats what i was hoping, but the time does keep ticking on with it
[16:45:42] <janrinok> well, we won't know either way until summer!
[16:46:07] <n1> well i thought previously the logic was, they stopped because it was summer so they wern't at college anymore
[16:46:15] <n1> and we were expecting them back when term started again
[16:46:33] <janrinok> we all need to take breaks every now and then, but have a few more 'core' editors would make life much easier and improve our response time to stories
[16:46:43] <n1> agreed
[16:46:58] <mrcoolbp> yeah, I know you guys are in burn-out territory, I want to avoid that
[16:47:03] <mrcoolbp> I was there a month ago
[16:47:07] <n1> i really hoped in my absences there would have been another editor or two appear
[16:47:25] <n1> was quite sad to find it was janrinok, lamx and bytram picking up the slack i left
[16:47:28] <mrcoolbp> we are working on getting Lance on board
[16:47:41] <janrinok> I had my burn out last Oct/Nov time - I'm under doc's orders to manage my time better...
[16:47:55] <mrcoolbp> janrinok, what about Subsentient, is he still interested?
[16:48:19] <janrinok> I've not spoken to him personally yet - I only heard things second hand
[16:48:31] <n1> last i heard he was planning original content with blackmoore
[16:48:37] <n1> but that was some time ago
[16:49:12] * mrcoolbp emailed blackmoore and dopefish re: O.C. a few days ago and haven't heard from them
[16:49:25] <mrcoolbp> on 2/16
[16:49:43] <janrinok> I think some people are a bit disillusioned with the mechanics of the ed job. There is a lot of routine activity and not much opportunity for showing flare or originality
[16:49:58] <janrinok> *flair
[16:51:02] <janrinok> sry guys to spoil the conversation - but I must go afk for a while. She who must be obeyed needs me more than SN....
[16:51:35] <Subsentient> mrcoolbp: Yes, but I got stuff to do today. Might be able to deal with it later tonight
[16:51:57] <mrcoolbp> I'll be on for next 7 hrs
[16:52:08] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient
[16:52:09] <janrinok> hi Subsentient - can't stop though, just going afk
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[16:54:52] <Subsentient> mrcoolbp: the reason the editor thing went belly up for a long time was that in July I had a *VERY* serious relapse in my OCD, was extremely suicidal, and ended up in a crisis center. I'm now on a very high dose of Prozac for the OCD which helps nuke 80% of it, so I'm ok now.
[16:56:10] <mrcoolbp> yes I'm aware, I'm glad you are doing better
[16:56:51] * mrcoolbp is on the phone with matt_ currently
[16:57:00] <n1> Subsentient, sorry to hear that but happy to hear things are improving
[16:58:30] <n1> obviously this is personal experience and doesn't apply to everyone, but the editing job actually helps me maintain a mental balance
[16:59:02] <n1> sometimes i do get disillusioned, like janrinok said - but overall i have found it to be a positive for me
[18:50:37] <Azrael> mrcoolbp: I am ratehr awol :(
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[19:07:18] <n1> hope things are ok for you, Azrael
[19:07:52] <janrinok> hi nick Azrael
[19:08:07] <Azrael> n1: happy to say the only things keeping me awol are a busy busy home life and busy busy work life. No ills or sicks or other bad things :D
[19:08:15] <Azrael> janrinok: hey hey
[19:08:36] <janrinok> hi az - what's this, chatting to you twice in a matter of days....
[19:09:05] <n1> as long as you're still smilin'
[19:11:18] <janrinok> n1: did your meeting go well yesterday?
[19:13:58] <n1> yeah, better than i hoped actually
[19:14:51] <janrinok> but you got home a bit later than you hoped?
[19:15:22] <n1> project is a little way off, but i have side stepped having to get my hands too dirty (quite literally, part of the project is digging lots of trenches for cable runs)
[19:16:04] <janrinok> that sounds interesting - this is the security side of your business?
[19:16:15] <n1> yeah, half hour meeting and dropped in to see a friend for a cup of tea... 2hours or so each side stuck in traffic
[19:16:39] <janrinok> but the OpenStreetMap directions were good?
[19:16:51] <n1> yup
[19:17:17] <n1> janrinok, it's a cctv system
[19:17:35] <n1> with some wifi access points also
[19:17:41] <janrinok> thought it sounded something like that - not your usual festival type work
[19:18:00] <n1> yeah, wouldn't be digging trenches for that
[19:18:54] <janrinok> have you got any plans for the w/e
[19:19:17] <n1> have a meeting tomorrow, from what was postponed on tuesday
[19:19:32] <n1> and i need to play around with these new 180/360degree cctv cameras
[19:19:41] <janrinok> Yes, I recall.
[19:20:16] <n1> family is coming down tomorrow too
[19:20:19] <n1> which i am planning to avoid
[19:20:25] <janrinok> lol
[19:20:51] <n1> i have work to do!
[19:20:53] <n1> thats my story anyway
[19:21:02] <janrinok> you stick to it!
[19:21:30] <n1> damn right
[19:21:52] <janrinok> and your gastronomic plans for this evening? (I like this bit....)
[19:22:04] <n1> i'll probably be lurking in here for most of the weekend
[19:22:27] <n1> well, for lunch i had indonesian noodles and japenese style (or whatever) fried chicken
[19:22:30] <n1> which was rather good
[19:22:47] <janrinok> sounds better than 'rather good' to me
[19:23:11] <n1> i picked up some beef 'rib fingers' earlier
[19:23:15] <n1> which is what the plan is for dinner
[19:23:35] <janrinok> damn - we should live closer to each other!
[19:23:56] <n1> going to be a slow cook though i think, not sure what i should do seasoning/sauce wise yet
[19:24:58] <n1> i did get some korean bbq sauce for pork ribs
[19:25:06] <n1> but it does say pork, dont know if i can be a rebel and put it on beef
[19:25:09] <janrinok> we had scallops and shallots in a mildly spicy cream sauce, with pasta
[19:25:20] <n1> that does sound very nice
[19:25:27] <janrinok> yeah, that'd be OK with beef too I guess
[19:25:48] <n1> i'm not a huge fan of seafood, but i'm down with what you just described
[19:25:49] <janrinok> don't ask for a recipe - I usually make things up
[19:25:55] <n1> best way to do it
[19:26:01] <n1> freestyle cooking
[19:26:09] <janrinok> well, living on the French coast, seafood is both cheap and plentiful
[19:26:33] <n1> when i was shopping earlier for the beef and such, did jump a little when i walked past the seafood counter
[19:26:37] <n1> and the size of the damn crabs they have
[19:26:43] <n1> thought it was going to eat my face
[19:26:54] <janrinok> lol - still alive?
[19:27:07] <janrinok> ..that's the crabs not you
[19:27:19] <n1> they wernt, but i was close enough that it didn't matter when they surprised me out of the corner of my eye
[19:27:31] <n1> used to seeing crabs there and lidl even has them sometimes
[19:27:42] <janrinok> lol - I wouldn't have laughed at you much if I'd been there, honest
[19:27:57] <n1> but these were like 4-5x the size of 'normal' crabs you can buy in these parts
[19:28:11] <n1> along with some evil looking squid
[19:28:56] <n1> i remember some years ago being at a french market and the live crabs and everything else
[19:29:34] <n1> probably 20 years ago now, i was only a kid at the time.
[19:29:40] <n1> but that was scary then heh
[19:31:05] <janrinok> yep - you get used to it pretty quickly. Now 'dead' ones seem a bit bizare
[19:31:05] <janrinok> very impressionable age
[19:31:32] <n1> at that time, not something i'd ever seen in the local tesco/sainsbury's
[19:31:46] <janrinok> no, I can well imagine
[19:32:09] <n1> today was just a, "wtf is that huge evil looking thing" in the corner of my eye kind of surprise
[19:32:30] <janrinok> lol you got me laughing again...
[19:32:36] <n1> if it was alive, i would have been in range kind of thing...
[19:33:06] <n1> well i'm glad you find it amusing ;)
[19:33:31] <janrinok> yes, I certainly do :)
[19:34:12] <n1> anyway, i must make moves if i am to get any work done this evening
[19:34:25] <janrinok> OK, I'll be here for a while yet
[19:34:27] <n1> i will return in a while, from a different location
[19:34:53] <n1> if you're gone by the time i get back, hope you have a pleasant evening and enjoy the weekend :)
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