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[14:53:29] <Bytram> g'morning everyone!
[14:55:52] <Bytram> is there an editor in the house?
[14:56:06] <n1> just about
[14:56:18] <Bytram> LOL!
[14:56:34] <n1> i was expecting to not be here, waiting for a call back on a meeting thats supposed to be happening in 5minutes
[14:56:42] <Bytram> I was looking at the NSA story that is about to go live...
[14:56:49] <n1> problems?
[14:57:01] <Bytram> looks like the submission part from colo is missing?
[14:57:08] <Bytram> just a sec and I'll get a link
[14:57:24] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[14:57:25] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03Error
[14:57:54] <Bytram> and here's c0lo's submission: https://soylentnews.org
[14:57:55] <Hedonismbot> ^ 0304SN Submission by c0lo: The newly discovered "Equation Group" deemed as the top world hackers
[14:59:27] <Bytram> I don't know whether that was an accidental cut-n-paste overwrite of the submission as the three stories got merged, intentional, or what.
[14:59:40] <Bytram> was hoping janrinock would be here so I could ask him..
[15:00:26] <n1> hmmm
[15:01:04] <n1> well it seems that it was intentional
[15:01:09] <n1> but the link is broken
[15:01:20] <Bytram> known prob with the editing software
[15:01:36] <Bytram> &tid=nnnn gets mangled
[15:01:42] <n1> i am assuming the link is supposed to be: https://soylentnews.org
[15:01:42] <Hedonismbot> ^ 03SN article: The Most Advanced Hacking Operation ever Uncovered 04(20 comments)
[15:01:45] <Bytram> I've got that fixed in the copy I'm editing.
[15:02:05] <Bytram> yuppers, that's what I took it to be, too.
[15:02:40] <Bytram> when there's a link to a story/comment on SN, need to get it correct in the editing window and then: SAVE IT WITHOUT PREVIEW
[15:02:50] <n1> i would just fix the link and leave it at that
[15:02:57] <n1> i'll try to remember that
[15:03:30] <Bytram> so, c0lo's part of the story is a one-sentence intro... to nothing?
[15:03:57] <Bytram> all I see is:
[15:03:57] <Bytram> The newly discovered "Equation Group" deemed as the top world hackers
[15:03:58] <Bytram> c0lo writes offering a story that was published here only a few hours ago:
[15:04:12] <n1> c0lo submission is basically a dupe is the way i took it
[15:04:22] <Bytram> oh? hmmm...
[15:04:44] <n1> it's more like an update story than a new one and the c0lo part is the previous story reference
[15:04:48] <Bytram> did you look at his submission?
[15:04:58] * Bytram goes to look at the earlier story
[15:05:13] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[15:05:13] <n1> hmm
[15:05:13] <Hedonismbot> ^* 03SN article: The Most Advanced Hacking Operation ever Uncovered 04(20 comments)
[15:05:24] <Bytram> no 'meat' on that one.
[15:05:25] <n1> there is more stuff in there than the original summary
[15:05:28] <n1> indeed
[15:05:36] <Bytram> yes, by FAR!
[15:05:44] <n1> not sure really where to go with this
[15:05:58] <n1> delay the story so we have more thinking time?
[15:06:02] <Bytram> yeah, hence my poking in here to get feedback.
[15:06:05] <Bytram> good idea.
[15:06:22] <Bytram> lemme think for a sec
[15:06:29] <n1> it would be better if all the submissions were merged into one, to make it an easy read
[15:06:33] <n1> but thats going to take some work
[15:06:40] <Bytram> *understatement*
[15:07:06] <Bytram> we've gotten some very positive feedback from community on the multi-author stories on the front page, though.
[15:07:36] <Bytram> we still have 3.5 hrs before this story goes live.
[15:07:41] <n1> when theyve been like that?
[15:07:49] <n1> because it's not an easy read at the moment
[15:08:04] <Bytram> mostly cause c0lo's stuff got chopped out.
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[15:09:15] <Bytram> my thoughts are to put the c0lo stuff in the intro copy, and the other two subs into the extended copy
[15:09:37] <n1> the way i would do it is, "AnonTechie, aqui and c0lo write with updates to a previous story"
[15:09:46] <n1> and then cherrypick the best bits into a readable format
[15:09:47] <Bytram> as it now stands, it seems to me the story would read better w/o c0lo being mentioned at all.
[15:09:49] <n1> or something like that
[15:10:00] <Bytram> that would be *ideal*, yes.
[15:10:06] <Bytram> also much more work. :/
[15:10:17] * Bytram ponders
[15:10:19] <n1> no disagreement there
[15:10:24] * Bytram and fetches more coffee
[15:11:43] <Bytram> more importantly, so good to see you back in the saddle over here!
[15:12:06] <n1> thanks :)
[15:12:13] <n1> it's good to be back
[15:12:28] <n1> from my most unvacation like vacation
[15:12:51] <Bytram> I recall we'd had a couple long chats a while back and, when friends go missing for a while, it can be difficult.
[15:13:25] <n1> i tried not to go missing, i did inform mrcoolbp and lamx i wasn't going to be around for a month
[15:13:41] <Bytram> I know I've been struggling for the past few months with work pressures, extended work hours (and variously extra early or extra late hours) as well as all the snow and cold we've had this winter.
[15:13:46] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:14:08] <Bytram> I prolly saw it but didn't register through the sleep deprivation. ;/
[15:14:13] <n1> that doesnt sound too good
[15:14:14] <n1> :(
[15:14:59] <Bytram> hey, it is what it is. I've got some really nice repeat customers who are always so happy to see me, and I need to keep my focus on *that* instead of mgmt pressures to sell stuff and meet goals.
[15:15:20] <Bytram> anyway, I'm gonna ponder on what to do with the story. need to step away for a few minutes.
[15:15:26] <Bytram> thanks for the feedback!
[15:16:20] <n1> any time
[15:16:27] <n1> always try to help
[15:16:42] <n1> if i wasn't trying to do a million things at once right now i'd have a crack at it
[15:19:57] <Bytram> back
[15:20:06] <Bytram> hey! good luck on your meeting!
[15:20:47] * Bytram wishes we had version control on story editing
[15:24:06] <Bytram> AHA!!!!!!!
[15:24:41] <Bytram> duplicate tab in PaleMoon allows me to keep one version, and make a duplicate that I can work from
[15:24:44] <Bytram> =)
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[15:35:43] <Bytram> hmmm, AnonTechie's submission is taken from the same, Ars article referenced in our first NSA story on the 'Equation Group'
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[15:36:09] <Bytram> hi SoyGuest28505
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[15:36:51] <dx3bydt3_> FYI a story I submitted (currently in pending "Unexplained Haze Over Mars" ) was also submitted by tonyPick with the title "Massive Martian Plume Mystery" He's got at least one link in there that I didn't include.
[15:37:06] <Bytram> dx3bydt3_: thanks for the info!
[15:38:08] <Bytram> n1: it seems that one of the merged stories is basically a different summary/extract of the original 'equation group' Ars Technica story that we ran with yesterday.
[15:38:32] <Bytram> i.e. doesn't reference anything new.
[15:38:46] <n1> remove it then?
[15:38:56] <Bytram> that's what I was thinking...
[15:39:27] <Bytram> I don't like doing that, but it really doesn't add much new to the story -- in essence it's just a different synopsis.
[15:40:48] <n1> if it's redundant information, it doesnt need to be there
[15:40:54] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:40:55] <n1> as long as there is a link to the previous story
[15:41:08] <Bytram> that's the one with the 'tid' problem, but yeah.
[15:41:16] <Bytram> I'm going to strike it out.
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[15:46:12] <Bytram> janrinok2: hiya!
[15:46:26] <janrinok2> hi Bytram how's things?
[15:46:41] <Bytram> much better after a good night's sleep!
[15:46:43] <Bytram> you?
[15:46:56] <janrinok2> good to hear - are you completely recovered or just 'better'
[15:47:22] <Bytram> oh, *that* -- back to normal.
[15:47:26] <Bytram> thanks for asking!
[15:47:30] <janrinok2> np
[15:47:40] <janrinok2> I'm just setting up another box
[15:47:57] <janrinok2> I've tried PC-BSD but I have found too many things that I cannot do for the time being
[15:48:00] <Bytram> I was looking at the update story on the NSA and noticed a couple things.
[15:48:25] <janrinok2> ... so I'm trying Ubuntu 14.04 MATE deskto and, currently, I am very pleased
[15:48:31] <Bytram> one of the submitters was basically providing a different synopsis of the original Ars article -- didn't look like it added much to the new story
[15:48:39] * Bytram is glad to hear it!
[15:49:00] <janrinok2> you mean one of the three?
[15:49:03] <Bytram> otoh, c0lo's submission seems to have been mostly lost on its way into the story.
[15:49:04] <Bytram> yes
[15:49:37] <Bytram> here's c0lo's submission: https://soylentnews.org
[15:49:37] <Hedonismbot> ^* 0304SN Submission by c0lo: The newly discovered "Equation Group" deemed as the top world hackers
[15:49:49] <janrinok2> Yes, I had to think quite a bit about editing that story - with earlier links, repeated content and what have you
[15:50:10] <Bytram> it *is* exceedingly difficult to keep track of everything.
[15:50:35] <janrinok2> I didn't think that I had left anything major out although I didn't want to repeat it all just to be sure
[15:51:01] <janrinok2> is there something in particular that you feel was missed?
[15:52:22] <Bytram> I saw a reference to c0lo's submission, but it was only a couple sentences in this story, but his submission goes into great detail.
[15:52:39] <Bytram> I figured it may have been a cut-n-paste accidental-overwrite kind of thing.
[15:52:53] <janrinok2> yes, but most of that was/is in the story that went out at 11:54 UTC
[15:53:38] <janrinok2> that is why I replaced his submission with a link to the story that has already gone out
[15:53:50] <Bytram> I'm not seeing it? Here's that story: https://soylentnews.org
[15:53:50] <Hedonismbot> ^* 03SN article: The Most Advanced Hacking Operation ever Uncovered 04(20 comments)
[15:54:11] <Bytram> and here's c0lo's submission: https://soylentnews.org
[15:54:11] <Hedonismbot> ^* 0304SN Submission by c0lo: The newly discovered "Equation Group" deemed as the top world hackers
[15:54:48] <janrinok2> and they are both about the 'Equation Group' - nicht war?
[15:55:36] <Bytram> yes, all of these are. What I saw in c0lo's submission was a wonderful summary of all the various techniques that were employed that I did not see in the 11:54 article
[15:56:23] <janrinok2> but they are all in the linked material - something had to go because there are 3 stories in one there. I didn't feel that repeating the links was necessary. Feel free to change it if you wish
[15:56:43] <Bytram> 11:54 article (let's call it NSA1) was a high-level summary, to my eyes. This submission was much more detailed and informative.
[15:56:47] <Bytram> hmmm,
[15:57:05] <Bytram> let me think for a moment.. and I gotta fetch my laundry. :/
[15:57:28] <janrinok2> c0lo's details are taken from the linked material - but I'll pause why you get your washing...
[15:59:16] <janrinok2> *pause while
[16:01:18] <Bytram> back
[16:01:41] <Bytram> permanent press needs to be removed promptly from the dryer.
[16:01:42] <Bytram> =)
[16:01:54] <Bytram> maybe I missed something there.
[16:02:01] * Bytram reloads ars story
[16:02:08] <janrinok2> c0lo's description of the techniques was taken directly from one of the links - namely the ars technica story. I didn't feel that repeating it was necessary.
[16:02:28] <janrinok2> its a judgement call I suppose. Would you have left it in?
[16:03:00] * Bytram waits for his slow internet connection to load the ars story
[16:03:15] <janrinok2> just below the map picture is the list of techniques
[16:03:27] <Bytram> ahhhh, I see it now.
[16:03:56] <Bytram> he also had references to a number of other sources and I must have assumed that his details were taken, at least in part, from the others, as well.
[16:03:59] <janrinok2> There are 4 pages to that story
[16:04:10] <Bytram> yes. I read the story before it got to our site.
[16:04:25] <Bytram> but, it was late at night and I don't remember *everything* I read. =)
[16:04:39] <janrinok2> yep, but I followed them and found that some were circular reporting - i.e. linking back to the same origins
[16:04:46] <Bytram> ahhh.
[16:04:49] <Bytram> k
[16:05:03] <Bytram> that puts it in a different light.
[16:05:16] <Bytram> while I ponder on *that*, there's something else...
[16:05:20] <janrinok2> but it doesn't go out for a while yet - feel free to change it if you wish. That's why more than one ed should see each release
[16:05:31] <janrinok2> go ahead
[16:05:34] <Bytram> AnonTechie's submission seemed to be just a different synopsis of the same Ars story we first ran.
[16:05:46] <Bytram> doesn't reference anything else
[16:06:02] <Bytram> was wondering what that added to this story?
[16:07:39] <janrinok2> I was trying to give all 3 submitters some credit for their work while, to me, equally interesting is the 'alleged' links to NSA. I say alleged because Kaspersky is Russian and might be coerced into the story slant it has chosen.
[16:08:16] <janrinok2> I didn't want to express it as such as it might bias the subsequent discussions
[16:08:34] <Bytram> I certainly understand that and agree with the sentiment that including as many submissions as possible is desirable.
[16:09:38] <janrinok2> The fact that AnonTechies story shows that the CD's we changed in 'the postal system' suggests that a very powerful hand was behind this particular malware.
[16:10:02] <janrinok2> *were changed
[16:10:23] <Bytram> I agree.
[16:10:34] <Bytram> Yet, that was in the original Ars story, too.
[16:10:58] <Bytram> but I see that it is worthy of mention in this story.
[16:11:00] <Bytram> hmmm
[16:11:24] <janrinok2> True - my title was trying to show the link to NSA rather than the content of the ars technica story which we have already published this morning.
[16:11:34] <Bytram> yuppers
[16:11:56] <janrinok2> Perhaps I didn't do a very good job :0 Pull the story if you think it is not right
[16:12:21] <Bytram> I can see striking c0lo's first blockquote as it's big and verbatim from Ars...
[16:12:52] <Bytram> nah, you did very well -- merging two stories is difficult enough... trying to get three merged together is insane
[16:13:58] <Bytram> too many abstractions, references, and sources -- never mind the subject material and trying to put it into understandable english prose!
[16:14:13] <janrinok2> It will all depend on whether people actually TFLink rather than just skim our summaries. But if they don't read it then the whole thing will fall apart anyway. As I say, there are 4 pages there
[16:14:27] <Bytram> nod nod
[16:14:43] <janrinok2> *read TFLink
[16:14:55] <janrinok2> brain - keyboard disconnect
[16:14:56] <Bytram> in light of the reference to the CDs being 'hacked' while in the USPS, that makes me rethink my thoughts on AnonTechie's submission
[16:15:09] <Bytram> LOL -- I sit on mine. =)
[16:15:26] <Bytram> I meant my brain, not the kbd
[16:15:30] <Bytram> nograb
[16:15:34] <janrinok2> It depends on how you want to show the story, or what one thinks _is_ the story
[16:16:09] <Bytram> and THAT is the challenge!
[16:16:37] * Bytram reads the news these days with an entirely different perspective than he used to!
[16:16:39] <janrinok2> yep - that why we get paid so much, or would get paid in there was anyone being paid at all :)
[16:16:54] <Bytram> I'll double your pay!
[16:17:01] <janrinok2> triple it - I can cope
[16:17:02] <Bytram> ;)
[16:17:08] <Bytram> LOL!!!!!
[16:17:32] <Bytram> laughter is good for the soul.
[16:17:37] <Bytram> how's S doing?
[16:18:15] <janrinok2> I've got to go in a few minutes but I will not be offended if you pull the story or decide it is not presented properly. S is in the slow decline of MS but is having a relatively good day, for her.
[16:18:41] <Bytram> that has to be very hard to watch -- my heart goes out to you.
[16:18:43] <janrinok2> The nurse is due anytime - in fact I might have just heard her car arrive
[16:18:59] <Bytram> thanks to our discussion, I have a very differnet view on the story.
[16:19:21] <janrinok2> thx - I keep thinking I have readied myself but I'm just fooling myself if I'm honest
[16:19:42] <Bytram> I'm thinking maybe just add the 2nd blockquoted part from colo's story so that it's more than just a one-loine reference.
[16:19:55] <Bytram> and maybe bold the part from AnonTechie referencing the USPS?
[16:20:06] <janrinok2> But we may have many years left together or not - no-one knows. So one day at a time and keep smiling!
[16:20:33] <janrinok2> go ahead with the changes - I've got to go soon as I said
[16:20:40] <Bytram> not knowing can be a curse or a blessing -- mostly depends on how I look at things -- and yet it is still hard.
[16:21:00] <Bytram> I gu3ess if it were easy, then it wouldn't mean so much, eh?
[16:21:20] <janrinok2> exactly - you put that well (You should be an editor!)
[16:21:44] <Bytram> thanks... I'm speechless.
[16:22:09] <Bytram> I think for the time being, I'm going to swap the order of that story with the next to get some more time to reflect on it.
[16:22:34] <Bytram> hmmm, can't do that w/o editing the story, tho.
[16:22:59] <janrinok2> go ahead and thx, it was worth discussing it. It will only benefit from your editing
[16:23:04] <Bytram> oh, we've still got a couple hours before it goes live. no problem then.
[16:23:26] <Bytram> and from *your* feedback! I knew i was missing *something*!
[16:24:02] <Bytram> I just "did not know" what it was and didn't want to leap to a conclusion.
[16:24:07] <janrinok2> The 2 important bits from Anontechie are the mail intercept, and the fact that it has been done before with an Oracle CD
[16:24:22] <Bytram> I agree.
[16:24:50] <janrinok2> got to go now - cu later
[16:24:51] <Bytram> my viewpoint is: as a reader of the story, what does this bring to me that I haven't seen before.
[16:24:55] <Bytram> ciao for now!
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[16:25:11] <Bytram> the intercept is important -- will keep it in.
[16:41:07] <n1> can someone make me lunch?
[16:44:36] <Bytram> n1: you can do that yourself: /nick lunch
[16:44:43] <Bytram> =)
[16:49:03] <n1> har har
[17:52:01] <Bytram> n1: I was able to chat w/ janrinok and clarify his thoughts on the NSA2 article. ended up just adding a paragraph from c0lo's submission, added a little perspective to AnonTechie's submission, and made some minor spelling, etc. tweaks.
[17:52:07] <Bytram> thanks a LOT for your feedback!
[17:52:30] <n1> awesome, i'll take a look in a bit
[17:52:50] <n1> i just dropped the ball on a specification and planning for an important job ¬_¬
[17:52:58] <n1> i need to figure out this headache
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[19:19:48] <n1> ahoy janrinok
[19:20:24] <janrinok> hi nick
[19:33:15] <janrinok> that conversation wasn't up to your usual standard, n1
[19:43:04] <n1> sorry, on phone
[19:43:08] <n1> been a busy day today
[19:43:38] * janrinok wonders whether to wait half an hour to reply, decides that is cruel
[19:43:50] <janrinok> np nick
[19:45:27] <janrinok> a busy day but was it a good day?
[19:47:46] <Bytram> janrinok: ok, stories are merged and my dupe has been marked to NOT display. Excellent catch!!!!!!
[19:47:51] <Bytram> afk brb
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[20:06:54] <n1> yeah, busy good
[20:08:29] <janrinok> there appears to be a good 30 minutes time lag between comments. You need to get your router fixed...
[20:08:58] <n1> im here now
[20:09:33] <n1> was an hour long call with my business partner
[20:09:35] <janrinok> np ;)
[20:09:43] <n1> convincing me to spend more money
[20:09:47] <janrinok> everything going good?
[20:09:52] <n1> and he's the one supposed to stop me doing it!
[20:10:10] <janrinok> it must be a good omen
[20:10:20] <n1> yeah, things are working out it seems
[20:10:38] <n1> although it looks like may is going to be very damn busy
[20:11:00] <janrinok> my financial advisor is already in bed in the next room - but she's had a good day
[20:11:16] <n1> thats good
[20:11:28] <n1> everything going well over there?
[20:11:39] <janrinok> yep - she's watching TV and even laughing at M.A.S.H
[20:12:21] <n1> M.A.S.H is a great show
[20:12:55] <janrinok> it doesn't matter how many times I watch it - I always end up laughing. And there is always something new happening in the background
[20:15:43] <janrinok> I'll soon have to call it a day for today. Anything good in particular happen to you today?
[20:19:50] <n1> just a lot of work really
[20:20:09] <n1> was supposed to have a meeting with a client but didn't happen
[20:20:20] <janrinok> no show?
[20:20:21] <n1> which isnt the end of the world because i had a lot to get done
[20:20:43] <n1> asked me to call half hour before, and no answer - meeting was arranged 2 weeks ago
[20:20:59] <n1> but other things came up for him, his own meetings with investors and such.
[20:21:11] <n1> but he since text and emailed me back with many apologies
[20:21:29] <janrinok> OK - that's the decent thing to do
[20:22:08] <n1> I really dont mind, he's the best client ive ever had so I wasn't worried about it.
[20:22:44] <janrinok> how's the business going at the moment?
[20:23:00] <n1> pretty good right now
[20:23:24] <Bytram> back
[20:23:29] <janrinok> and your next festival will be in the Spring?
[20:23:32] <Bytram> n1: hey! that's GREAT news!
[20:23:43] <n1> the mix between expansion and diversifying whilst also investing to enable all that to happen
[20:23:58] <n1> so not making the big bucks, but things are heading in the right direction
[20:23:58] <Bytram> quite the balancing act
[20:24:01] <janrinok> sounds good, as Bytram said
[20:24:09] <n1> getting to know the right people and such
[20:24:18] <n1> and yeah, festivals in the spring
[20:24:30] <n1> hence may being very busy
[20:24:37] <n1> got two festivals that overlap by a couple days
[20:24:41] <n1> as of course they would
[20:24:53] <janrinok> sod's law or something
[20:25:05] <n1> so it's a setup one festival, couple days downtime, travel to the next festival and set that up
[20:25:18] <n1> then go back to the first one to remove all the equipment and such from that
[20:25:35] <n1> then go back to the second one before it finishes
[20:25:35] <Bytram> are they anywhere near each other?
[20:25:51] <n1> i dont think so
[20:26:06] <Bytram> that would make it too easy!
[20:26:26] <n1> oh actually
[20:26:28] <n1> it's not so bad!
[20:26:32] <n1> only 60 miles
[20:26:37] <n1> so thats cool
[20:26:41] <Bytram> !woop
[20:26:41] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[20:26:47] <n1> that made my day
[20:26:52] <n1> i thought it was going to be 200 or so
[20:27:17] <janrinok> you'll be able to listen to one festival while you dismantle the other.....
[20:28:36] <n1> something like that heh
[20:29:35] <n1> but this is looking good anyways
[20:29:47] <n1> now i do need to send an email to my least favorite client
[20:30:11] <janrinok> well, good luck with that, and I'm afraid I must leave. Cheers to you both
[20:30:30] <Bytram> janrinok: have a good evening! It's been a pleasure, as always!!
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[20:35:00] <n1> how is your day, Bytram?
[20:35:42] <Bytram> a bit of a break from the ol' grind... yesterday was my 'friday' -- got a good night's sleep and am planning on catching a nap before heading out to meet with some friends this pm.
[20:36:51] <n1> sounds good, weekends are a bit antiquated these days
[20:36:57] <Bytram> nod nod
[20:37:03] <n1> anything good planned with your friends?
[20:37:36] <Bytram> nothing special; we just get together each week to catch up on things and talk about life and such.
[20:37:56] <n1> thats good you're able to do that
[20:38:46] <Bytram> I plan my week around that; helps me keep the rest of my life on a solid foundation
[20:39:12] <n1> better to plan your week around something good
[20:39:22] <n1> keeps priorities in order a little better
[20:39:50] <Bytram> yuppers! no matter what else happens, they've seen me at my best (and worst) and know me very well.
[20:40:10] <Bytram> if I'm out-of-sorts, they'll pick up on it and try and help me find out what's going on.
[20:40:13] <Bytram> helps me stay grounded
[20:40:28] <Bytram> and, of course, the even better part is that I can try and do the same for them!
[20:41:03] <Bytram> much more important that trying to sell some shiny bauble to someone to earn my pay
[20:41:21] <Bytram> though, that said, I do appreciate being able to pay my rent!
[20:42:38] <n1> mhmm
[20:43:11] <Bytram> balancing things is what makes life worthwhile
[20:43:57] <Bytram> how does it go? "Good judgement comes from experience -- experience comes from poor judgement."
[20:44:43] <n1> from the song i was just listening to: 'these are tough times, but we seek solace in our friends and co-conspirators, we make small differences in each others lives and dream we can make real progress'
[20:45:17] * Bytram shivers at the 'coincidence'
[20:46:25] * Bytram just hit submit on a story so the queue isn't quite so empty.
[20:46:55] <n1> cool, i'll be doing some stories soon
[20:47:02] <n1> but i havnt actually eaten properly yet today
[20:47:09] <n1> so i need water and food first
[20:47:43] <Bytram> nod nod; /me just finished having [a very late] breakfast
[20:48:05] <n1> well it's nearly 9pm here
[20:48:11] <n1> and i had a snack about 5pm
[20:48:18] <Bytram> though I know it's important to eat regularly to keep my spirits up, I always seem to find something to distract me until it's early in the afternoon!
[20:48:27] <Bytram> it's nearly 4pm here
[20:48:29] <n1> same
[20:48:42] * Bytram is not so good at first things first.
[21:14:14] <n1> so hungry
[21:16:49] * Bytram keeps a bag of frozen chicken nuggets in the freezer for just such an occasion
[21:20:06] <n1> not far off what im going to be having
[21:20:19] <n1> frozen breaded chicken and wedges
[21:20:39] <Bytram> wedges?
[21:20:46] <Bytram> of cheese, maybe?
[21:20:55] <n1> potato wedges
[21:20:58] <Bytram> ah.
[21:21:07] * Bytram suggests heating before eating
[21:21:17] <Bytram> ;)
[21:21:23] <n1> yup, good plan
[21:22:24] <Bytram> when I was on a project in England, 'chips' were *slices* of potatoes; in the US 'chips' were tiny-thin slivers of potatoes that had been deep fried until crisp.
[21:23:06] <Bytram> and don't get me started on the differences between soda, tonic, 'coke', soft drink and the like all meaning the exact same thing!
[21:23:35] <Bytram> ditto for: sub, hoagie, italian sandwich, and hero being all the same kind of thing.
[21:23:51] <Bytram> no wonder English is a difficult language to learn!
[21:24:32] * Bytram is tired; am gonna take a nap.
[21:24:57] <Bytram> n1: have a good day/night, my friend! As always, nice chatting with ya!
[21:25:15] <Bytram> and, especially, thanks for the feedback earlier on how to handle that article. excellent feedback!
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