#editorial | Logs for 2014-11-11

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[16:56:15] <Blackmoore> too many kickstart projects in the queue
[16:56:39] <nick> i havn't looked at queue yet today, im about to run to the store
[16:56:45] <nick> in the subs queue im guessing?
[17:02:47] <Blackmoore> yeah,
[17:03:21] <Blackmoore> Arduino as a PLC , Jolla TOHKBD kickstarter launched , Wristband uses encryption to grant access to devic
[17:04:04] <Blackmoore> i'm off to locate some science
[17:53:06] <nick> i nearly did the Arduino story, but as it's still like 4 months away from launch, and there's no price yet
[17:53:24] <nick> feels too much like PR for arduino
[17:59:24] <nick> err i was thinking of the beagleboard actually
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[18:29:31] <Blackmoore> i did the beagle board, but based on the article itself
[18:36:41] <Blackmoore> The Internet Shines a Light on Predators is th kind of artical i want to toss back at the submitter and say "this is a good start. come back with another 4-5 cases."
[18:38:53] <Blackmoore> I like the title and the subject - but there is one example. hardly enough to justify the title.
[19:01:25] <nick> i did look at that one also, i cant even remember my conclusion
[19:01:36] <nick> but there must have been a reason i didnt do anything with it
[19:02:34] <Blackmoore> well that's at least two against. strike it from the queue or get one more veto
[19:03:00] <nick> i'll look at it now to refresh my memory
[19:03:31] <Blackmoore> i dont have any reason to veto it on allegations - but it's ragging on one damn case.
[19:04:56] <nick> i'm struggling to see relevance really, it's interesting
[19:05:13] <nick> but i dont really get what i'm supposed to learn from it
[19:05:36] <nick> this might be clouded because of the scandals in the UK about celebrities involved in sexual abuses
[19:05:38] <nick> spanning decades
[19:06:04] <nick> it's just another example of that, and the internet doesn't seem to be all that much of a factor
[19:06:14] <nick> it's more a change in social attitudes rather than the internet enabling this stuff to come out
[19:08:37] <nick> http://en.wikipedia.org
[19:08:38] <NetCraft> ^ 04Wiki: 03Operation Yewtree
[19:09:29] <Blackmoore> cripes a wiki page - and the size of that list
[19:10:07] <nick> shit is serious, it was kept on the down low for a long fucking time and it makes me and many people sick to see what had been going on
[19:10:34] <Blackmoore> but this is exactly why i agree with the premise of the article; but not the article. it's not looking at the long list of people who are finally being accused/convicted of the crimes
[19:10:51] <nick> and they even got Max Clifford on it, who was seen as pretty much untouchable because of his connections with the press.
[19:11:45] <nick> this explains how serious it was:
[19:11:53] <nick> " In June 2014, investigations into Savile's activities in 28 NHS hospitals, including Leeds General Infirmary and Broadmoor psychiatric hospital, concluded that he had sexually assaulted staff and patients aged between five and 75 over several decades."
[19:12:08] <Blackmoore> wtf
[19:12:17] <Blackmoore> that's
[19:12:17] <nick> Jimmy Savile literally had keys to hospitals
[19:12:20] <Blackmoore> thats..
[19:12:44] <Blackmoore> why the hell did anyone not kill this monster?
[19:13:02] <nick> everyone was on it and looked the other way
[19:13:11] <nick> as i said, he literally had keys to the hospitals
[19:13:14] <Blackmoore> geh.
[19:13:25] <nick> he was a visible public figure
[19:13:31] <nick> got an OBE
[19:14:02] <nick> "Through his support of charities, Savile became a friend of Margaret Thatcher, who in 1981, described his work as "marvellous"."
[19:14:30] <nick> he was a public figure involved in lots of charities, even though there had been speculation for decades, he was too well connected
[19:14:39] <Blackmoore> well considering Thatcher - i wouldnt be suprised if she raped him
[19:14:41] <nick> when people went to the police, they were dismissed as telling tales
[19:15:14] <nick> and a much more recent case covering someone else, the ex-gf of the abuser went to the police and told them about what he was doing, molesting children
[19:15:23] <nick> and they wouldn't take any action because "it would damage his career"
[19:15:27] <Blackmoore> as i would expect. i dont know any "good" cops.
[19:15:52] <Blackmoore> just thugs trying to hold down a paycheck
[19:16:40] <Blackmoore> if i had been a nurse there - well, a hypodermic needle, filled with air.
[19:17:04] <nick> another example
[19:17:05] <nick> "A dossier on paedophiles allegedly associated with the British government was assembled by the British Member of Parliament, Geoffrey Dickens, who handed it to the then Home Secretary, Leon Brittan, in 1984. The whereabouts of the dossier is unknown, along with other files on organised child abuse that had been held by the Home Office."
[19:17:52] <nick> no one knows whats in the dossier and no one knows where it is, but we have been assured by Leon Brittan that "all necessary action was taken".
[19:19:24] <nick> this year they tried to start up a review to see what had gone on, and they managed to appoint the sister of the advisor to Leon Brittan to chair that review
[19:20:12] <nick> and then the next person they put to chair the review, was someone who worked with Leon Brittan and had several dinners at their private residence in recent, among other connections.
[19:20:22] <nick> in recent years*
[19:21:49] <Blackmoore> and people wonder why i would like to see an asteroid hit.
[19:22:26] <nick> http://www.telegraph.co.uk
[19:22:35] <Blackmoore> as a species - we're hypocrital and abusive
[19:22:53] <nick> Fiona Woolf wrote "there were no other guests" at one of their dinner parties
[19:23:05] <nick> the government decided it would look better if "there were at least four other guests"
[19:24:23] <nick> sadly, i agree
[19:24:43] <nick> i understand why people place faith and have hope, because the alternative is unpleasant
[19:25:29] <nick> we have to believe that it's not that bad, and we're only one election away from solving the problems
[19:26:04] <nick> i was asked recently about if i was a monarchist or proud to be british or some such
[19:26:37] <nick> and i said no, explained how i didnt have a lot of respect for the insitutions or what britain has stood for over the centuries
[19:27:11] <nick> but people dont seem to get it, just get blank looks and "but it's your country, you should be proud"
[19:27:24] <nick> "why?" ... "because you should!"
[19:27:35] <Blackmoore> and i'll go with - it's out country, we shoudl do better.
[19:27:52] <Blackmoore> our country --should
[19:27:59] <nick> i cant remember quite how it got there but i ended up drawing the comparison to having faith in your country is no different from having faith in religion
[19:28:10] <nick> and the response to that was 'but religion is man made'
[19:28:10] <Blackmoore> yeah - it's apt.
[19:28:16] <nick> 'and nations are not?'
[19:28:19] <Blackmoore> *blink*
[19:28:28] <nick> "umm, but they grow over time and it's just different"
[19:28:32] <Blackmoore> yeah.. it's all man made
[19:28:49] <nick> i get the american ideal of its your country
[19:28:56] <nick> but britain is quite clearly not the peoples country
[19:28:59] <nick> it has never been
[19:29:35] <Blackmoore> yeah. but it is a country based on conquest.
[19:29:51] <nick> the US?
[19:29:56] <Blackmoore> UK
[19:30:03] <Blackmoore> saxons, romans,
[19:30:11] <nick> indeed
[19:30:30] <nick> thats why i dont really know a lot, and indeed most people dont know much about british history
[19:30:34] <Blackmoore> kings and refomers
[19:30:37] <nick> because when it began is very fucking confusing
[19:30:50] <nick> we dont have a date of independence to look back on and go "this is where we started"
[19:30:58] <Blackmoore> true.
[19:31:36] <Blackmoore> there isnt even a "date" to look at and say "hey this is when Rome fell from power"
[19:32:01] <nick> yeah, it's a gradual thing
[19:32:02] <Blackmoore> we have a document of independence; and a war.
[19:32:09] <nick> and thats a problem with the british mindset
[19:32:11] <Blackmoore> or two
[19:32:21] <nick> we still think we're on top
[19:32:45] <nick> and because were were still, practically in living memory it's hard to accept we're not as powerful and important as we were
[19:32:47] <Blackmoore> yeah. and that kinda of delusion is a bad thing
[19:33:02] <nick> and people forget the industry that made is so powerful, was based on owning half of the rest of the world
[19:33:15] <nick> which got their independence
[19:33:51] <Blackmoore> of course being the big freekign bully on the planet isnt bright either. (i ponit at the CIA for making the world the worse place)
[19:34:06] <nick> america does things big
[19:34:34] <nick> when the government decided to get involved in the WW2, there was no rolling back
[19:35:02] <Blackmoore> well, I like that we do things big. that's a space program, that's national vaccinations, thats winning the war against a facist regime
[19:35:28] <nick> doing things big isn't always a bad thing
[19:35:29] <Blackmoore> at the same time we are to blame for a whole lot of nonsense in the middle east.
[19:35:34] <nick> but it shouldnt just be applied to everything
[19:35:49] <Blackmoore> yep
[19:35:49] <nick> and lets not forget south america
[19:36:25] <nick> i cant remember where i read it, but also in living memory there was some internal government docs that talked about the USA's 'right' to south america
[19:36:51] <Blackmoore> sadly i know jack all about south america, but yeah - that document starts back durring the munroe presidency
[19:37:04] <Blackmoore> and used by teddy rosevelt
[19:37:32] <nick> some of the stuff that was going in the world wars and the cold war, does not make the USA look good
[19:37:33] <Blackmoore> but the idea then was "we should have control over s. america"
[19:37:55] <Blackmoore> no we look like a bully and a rapist
[19:38:10] <Blackmoore> in a long line of bullies and rapists
[19:39:02] <nick> indeed, and the UK was in that long line
[19:39:34] <nick> there's some revisionist history about the UK involvement in WWI
[19:39:58] <nick> because the 'honest' reasons about the situation of the UK and its involvement in WWI, don't sound all that great when remembering the fallen troops
[19:44:19] <nick> they were apparently defending freedom and democracy before anyone had it anyway.
[19:46:22] <Blackmoore> *sigh* yeah freedom and democracy of "king and country"
[19:47:12] <Blackmoore> wwi was a nasty mess that proved how horrid we actually are
[19:48:32] <nick> when ww1 was going on, in the uk, only property owning men were allowed to vote, that was freedom and democracy, around 70% of the adult population were not allowed to vote
[19:50:37] <nick> and after reforms and such following ww1, which allowed some women to vote and more men
[19:50:39] <nick> "Seven percent of the electorate had more than one vote"
[19:51:20] <nick> it really is depressing
[19:57:52] <Blackmoore> well, we tend to be possesive, self agrandizing, and general assholes to other people.
[19:58:00] <Blackmoore> more so when you have more
[19:59:07] <nick> people ¬_¬
[20:01:23] * nick goes off to start the SoylentNation
[20:06:24] <Blackmoore> i like it.. what planet are we taking?
[20:07:28] <nick> i was thinking more like acquiring an existing state, probably in the caribbean or a pacific island
[20:14:47] <Blackmoore> mm. nice idea but the natives and the neigbors.. I cetainly understand. you really can't get your hands on an interstellar transport at any price these days.
[20:15:30] <nick> and another planet reduces the possibility for beach bbq
[20:15:46] <nick> not a great example but cuba has done pretty well considering the neighbours
[20:18:38] <nick> and circling back to the sexual abuse story, just caught this elsewhere: "as long as he's not a risk to you or the people you care about, just let it go"
[20:21:30] <Blackmoore> *headdesk*
[20:22:06] <nick> thats the reaction to a sexual predator using a fake name and address sexual harassing women in public places
[20:22:21] <Blackmoore> yeah.
[20:23:09] <Blackmoore> and the gamegate crud
[20:23:20] <nick> thats today with 'modern' attitudes, 30 years ago it would have been that all over
[20:24:04] <nick> i havn't really paid much attention to gamergate, it just made me sick and to be fair it does every day, the attitudes some people have toward women they dont like
[20:24:08] <nick> for no real reason
[20:24:42] <nick> if it was two men involved in the gamergate situation, how many death/rape threats would have gone around?
[20:24:52] <nick> i doubt any.
[20:25:20] <nick> it would have just been a really boring case of bad journalism standards.
[20:25:54] <nick> which in all fairness goes on in the mainstream press every day, and no one gives a shit, because corporate media is bought and paid for all the time.
[20:27:25] <nick> where is the outrage of Murdoch/Fox owned 'news' outlets doing relentless and totally biased plugs for movies and TV which other branches of the media empire are producing
[20:33:39] <Blackmoore> yup. that should be more an ourrage than getting a game reviewed (which turned out to be a fabrication too)
[20:35:17] <nick> the fact gamergate got more traction than any other questionable journalism or reviews is very depressing. I subscribe to a magazine which every christmas does a feature on book reviews
[20:35:33] <nick> and they cover all the connections between the person reviewing and the author
[20:36:03] <nick> same publishers, management companies, "i review your book, you review mine"
[20:36:05] <nick> that sort of deal
[20:36:14] <nick> all carried by the mainstream 'respected' press
[20:49:39] <Blackmoore> yup.
[20:51:05] <Blackmoore> but apparently it s bad thing if you sleep with the reviewer.. (again a lie) as if that is any different than large sums of cash, or simply wanting to remain friends
[20:54:04] <nick> i dont think it's even that, i think it applies only because it's 'gamers', easy to destroy and tarnish an emerging industry (especially games journalism) which isn't taken seriously by the 'mainstream press', unless they're using it as the reason psychopaths exist.
[20:59:41] <Blackmoore> ah true
[21:05:50] <nick> making any progress on the 'original content'?
[21:10:47] <Blackmoore> the depression artical is stalled. badly.
[21:11:10] <nick> you were writing something specific? (was not aware)
[21:11:26] <Blackmoore> but i just threw one up about "thinks i wont work with" which is more of a meta original
[21:12:28] <Blackmoore> yeah - I had a start after we lost robin williams (but mostly due to my own depression and the number of cases on staff)
[21:13:03] <Blackmoore> but I want to get that one right -
[21:13:35] <nick> i'd be willing to take a look at what you have now, if you're so inclined and have a theory on why you've stalled with it
[21:13:44] <Blackmoore> i expect to do another noir piece.
[21:14:04] <nick> the noir piece was really nice, i did enjoy that.
[21:14:07] <Blackmoore> sadly i have the depression work on the home system
[21:14:29] <nick> well, whenever you want, doesn't have to be today
[21:14:34] <Blackmoore> I'll brush it off and get it over.
[21:14:51] <nick> email it to me if you'd like, or not
[21:15:08] <Blackmoore> for the next noir i'm gonna send him after dark matter/dark energy.
[21:15:35] <nick> i am well versed in depression, from my own perspective and from other people in my family so i have a pretty good understanding of the subject i think, or at least certain areas of it
[21:20:53] <Blackmoore> cool, i'll want the extra set of eyes on the article.
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[21:45:18] <Blackmoore> geh.
[21:45:35] <Blackmoore> title of my article shoud be THINGS i wont work with
[22:55:19] <nick> unforgivable!
[23:03:15] <Blackmoore> me speak enlish good
[23:03:28] <Blackmoore> :P
[23:03:31] <Blackmoore> gnight
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