#editorial | Logs for 2014-10-22

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[13:16:46] <LaminatorX> Hello all.
[13:19:08] <Azrael> hey hey
[13:19:27] <Azrael> LaminatorX: do I have you to thank for correcting my 'l' in launch? :)
[13:19:40] <LaminatorX> Indeed so. Go team.
[13:19:52] <Azrael> w00t, thanks :)
[13:21:00] <LaminatorX> Headline capitalization is actually the thing I most often fix, which I suppose is not the worst problem we could have.
[13:21:45] <LaminatorX> Blackmoore, Subsentiant, you guys around?
[13:23:00] <paulej72> LaminatorX: I setup Blackmoore with ed privs on production yester per your note here.
[13:23:19] <LaminatorX> I assumed as much, thanks.
[13:23:59] <LaminatorX> I spent yesterday having quality time with a pillow and cold medicine.
[13:26:28] <paulej72> there are worse things to do on a Tuesday :)
[13:39:15] <Blackmoore> yeah. i would rather be in bed sick than here at the office.
[13:39:55] <LaminatorX> Best Tuesday ever: https://www.youtube.com
[13:39:55] <NetCraft> ^ 03It was Tuesday - Street Fighter 1994 - YouTube
[13:56:19] <LaminatorX> So, Blackmoore, do you have any questions about the editor interface?
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[14:11:59] <Blackmoore> yeah. several but i want to start with - why do i have to look at a different page to see what time the newest entry in the queue is going to run
[14:12:32] <Blackmoore> if i'm at the sumbissons page http://soylentnews.org
[14:12:32] <NetCraft> ^ 03SoylentNews Submissions
[14:13:05] <Blackmoore> i still need to look at stories to get that detail
[14:21:13] <Azrael> yeah, that's annoying :)
[14:21:59] <Azrael> I reckon I could fix that for myself by further tweaking my greaemonkey script... hmm.. nice idea thanks!
[14:24:53] <LaminatorX> I believe the answer is, "Because it's always been that way."
[14:26:01] <LaminatorX> Historically speaking, I get the impression that /. did far less advance queueing than we do, which makes sense given that they had people working full time on running the site.
[14:26:38] <LaminatorX> It's a usability headache for us, but was less prominently so for them.
[14:27:11] <Blackmoore> :) well the other possible option is to have slash look at the queue and fillin a time one our after the last article in the queue
[14:27:36] <Blackmoore> but again very MINOR headache
[14:27:59] <LaminatorX> I usually bounce between two tabs.
[14:28:12] <Blackmoore> i didnt even realize that it wasnt doing it untill i accepted articles yesterday
[14:28:31] <Blackmoore> because on dev ; the time hardly matters
[14:33:38] <LaminatorX> Our general guideline for timing is to flex in response to submission volume. When we're overflowing, 1/hour, when we're <10 more like 1/3hours, with 90-120 minutes being the norm. We also slow doen a bit overnight and on the weekends when traffic is lower.
[14:34:31] <Azrael> and sometimes I do stupid times because my brain doesn't work and janrinok goes in and fixes the spacing for me :)
[14:34:35] <Blackmoore> that makes sense. fortunately we have a double check to the process so that can be adjusted.
[14:35:26] <Blackmoore> the other thing i find missing is a way to handle cases like https://soylentnews.org
[14:35:26] <NetCraft> ^ 04SN Submission by cosurgi http://janek.kozicki.pl 03Looking for a mathematical proof?
[14:35:33] <LaminatorX> Breaking news, esp security stuff can run immediately, regaurdless of subs or queue volume.
[14:35:39] <Blackmoore> which isnt a story - but really should be.
[14:36:19] <Blackmoore> Would I be allowed to beat that into an article?
[14:36:39] <LaminatorX> Sure.
[14:36:58] <Blackmoore> ok.
[14:37:36] <LaminatorX> brb
[14:43:12] <LaminatorX> Keep in mind also our trans-Atlantic community. If a story is particularly germaine to our Eoropean members, try not to run it when they're mostly in bed.
[14:44:02] <LaminatorX> s/Eor/Eur
[14:55:09] <nick> the more stories ive edited, the less it appears that the timing matters
[14:55:24] <nick> i still keep it in mind, but it doesnt seem to have the effect i would have assumed originally
[15:14:21] <LaminatorX> So, Blackmoore, tell me what needs fixed on the Xerox story.
[15:20:19] <Azrael> aha, now pulling most recent timestamp into submission edit page :)
[15:34:00] <Blackmoore> well I pulled a snip from the acutal article after looking at the link.
[15:34:28] <Blackmoore> i dont like the look of the part that was submitted,
[15:35:04] <Blackmoore> but I cant figure a way to work the link in a better way with out replacing all of what was sent in
[15:43:25] <Azrael> Blackmoore: replace it all, be brutal :)
[15:43:42] <Azrael> if you make it better you won't find submitters saying "waaa, he mademy submission better, waa waa"
[15:43:59] <Azrael> (no promises on that though)
[15:45:39] <LaminatorX> That's all good, but the capitalization in the title is off and the first sentance doesn't end with punctuation.
[15:46:40] <LaminatorX> http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[15:46:40] <NetCraft> ^ 04Wiki: 03Story Style
[15:52:11] <Blackmoore> ah. good catch. ..
[15:53:51] <Blackmoore> that's better.
[15:54:52] <LaminatorX> I've also changed a line in the Feminism story to make it less inflamitory.
[16:01:41] * nick has run away from all the stories touching on feminism
[16:02:09] <nick> including the 'how to get women into coding' type ones
[16:03:47] <Blackmoore> nick; I guess I'll see what i can do with those in the future. i dont mind the flames.
[16:04:22] <Blackmoore> good change LaminatorX - thanks
[16:05:12] <LaminatorX> Glad to. :) I go back and forth. On the one hand, we as a community are not well situated to handle such topics as well as I would like, OTOH, sticking out collective head in the sand lets that status quo remain unchallenged.
[16:05:52] <Blackmoore> i had thought about changing it to "desperate grad student looking for a thesis paper"
[16:07:38] <Blackmoore> the source was chuck full of intellectulist BS and i think she'll make upper management with the kind of drivel. it really had no bearing on if her new language was going to be any better than anything else we have.
[16:07:59] <Blackmoore> i'll let the crowd decide that
[16:08:24] <LaminatorX> It reminds me of a "Towards a Feminist Music Theory" paper I read back in college. It included such dreck as asserting that women should make better organists since playing the organ uses the whole body and women are more in touch with their bodies. I think Rosenthall's response makes the story worthwhile though.
[16:10:08] <nick> i just dont like touching them at all, being a guy i dont think you can ever win with it, especially something so important
[16:10:37] <nick> there's no other subject that makes me feel that way
[16:11:10] <LaminatorX> It's tricky, but I think men talking with eachother needs to be part of the solution as well.
[16:12:28] <LaminatorX> Alright, off to lunch. :)
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[16:13:00] <nick> enjoy
[16:13:18] <Blackmoore> i feel that way with systemd.
[16:13:46] <Blackmoore> but i have no problem lobbing questions at that damn thing
[16:14:00] <nick> there are plenty of subjects i dont know enough about
[16:14:21] <nick> but on most instances, i actually look forward to a comment or two that totally destroys TFS/TFA
[17:19:43] LaminatorX|out2lunch is now known as LaminatorX
[17:29:05] <nick> apologies for my absence again, LaminatorX. the work grind meant i didnt have the time or energy to even check SN.
[17:36:28] <LaminatorX> We'll all have our moments from time to time. Last week was a bit crazy as you and Jan both being out made for a bit of a perfect storm. It was good to see Azrael and Bytram step up.
[17:38:44] <nick> i had wishful thinking that janrinok was back, but yeah, Azrael and Bytram get gold stars.
[18:05:12] * Azrael strokes his gold star, "My precious!"
[18:05:40] <nick> Azrael, can you look over the Canada shooting story i just pushed?
[18:09:54] <Azrael> ok :)
[18:10:18] <nick> thanks :D
[18:11:51] <Azrael> np :)
[18:11:58] <Azrael> now greenified :D
[18:13:45] <LaminatorX> We just turned on the news here in the office. We noticed the creeping yellor pillars on our big board that mean commercial breaks being preempted.
[18:14:26] <LaminatorX> "Why are none of the news networks going to commercial?" seldom has a happy answer.
[18:14:43] <LaminatorX> Except for the new Pope, that guy's a gem.
[18:14:59] <nick> i cant believe he's the pope
[18:15:24] <nick> the catholic church dropped the ball on that one it seems
[18:15:44] <mattie_p> Is the pope catholic? Apparently not
[18:15:47] <LaminatorX> Or caught it, depending.
[18:16:17] <nick> mattie_p, seems to be the only logical conclusion
[18:16:41] <nick> well, the rest of the catholic church doesnt seem all that fond of what he's been saying
[18:16:52] <LaminatorX> Either that or somebody passed around the gospels during the conclaive.
[18:17:06] <nick> but it could be a long con, showing how modern the catholic church is, by having the pope as a fairly liberal figurehead
[18:17:13] <nick> while everyone underneath continues as normal
[18:17:18] <mattie_p> as a wrapper for some weed most likely
[18:18:51] <LaminatorX> It's been interesting to see the Liberation Theology types popping their heads up again. That's my parents' grad-school scene.
[18:19:42] <LaminatorX> I've made contact with some of their old friends in the Catholic Worker movement during the Ferguson actions. Interesting times.
[19:31:19] <mrcoolbp> GungnirSniper made an appearence in the comments recently
[19:32:47] <LaminatorX> Nice.
[19:52:59] <mrcoolbp> I didn't engage with him, just saw the comment this morningh
[19:53:54] <mrcoolbp> Azrael, what method did you use to copy the url for the article on the "L.A.'s iPad-Friendly School Superintendent Resigns" story? The link is messed up. I'll fix.
[19:54:20] <mrcoolbp> (the "Related: LA Schools Halve..." link)
[20:06:36] <Azrael> if it weas broken, clearly a stupid method!! thanks!!
[20:10:22] <Azrael> but now I read more.. is it possible the submission page is stripping the link somehow? 'cause fairly sure I copy pasted it intact...
[20:47:17] <Blackmoore> i think i might be gettigng this?
[20:49:15] * Azrael 2nds
[20:49:32] <Azrael> capitalising 'P' on progress
[20:50:39] <Azrael> otherwise awesome
[20:51:09] <Azrael> double green
[21:13:32] <Blackmoore> woot
[21:25:30] <LaminatorX> G'night all.
[21:26:48] <Blackmoore> gnight
[21:26:53] <Blackmoore> thanks for the help
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[21:27:44] <nick> i'll do some more stories in the next 2 or 3 hours, eating kangaroo steak right now
[21:27:49] <nick> because why not
[21:28:11] <Blackmoore> mm..
[21:28:35] <nick> eaten kangaroo before, Blackmoore?
[21:28:49] <Blackmoore> Sadly i wont be hunting this year. would have rather liked some Deer.
[21:29:08] <Blackmoore> I think i have - but here in the states it's kinda hard to prove
[21:29:24] <nick> heh
[21:29:35] <nick> weirdly, i never had kangaroo the whole time i was in aus
[21:30:08] <Blackmoore> i can get farmed bison, venison, rabbit.. ostrich.. llamma
[21:30:10] <nick> kangaroo is poor people food there, the european immigrants dont eat it generally, at least the ones i was mixing with
[21:30:32] <nick> im jealous
[21:30:38] <Blackmoore> yeah. if i understand kangaroo are treated as vermin
[21:30:50] <nick> i can get venison, but it's not that great usually.
[21:30:56] <nick> pretty much
[21:31:06] <nick> almost 6' 200lb vermin.
[21:31:12] <Blackmoore> well the farmed stuff is STUPID expensive compared to say chicken or beef
[21:31:35] <Blackmoore> the Deer out here are our version of 200-400 lbs vermin
[21:32:10] <Blackmoore> if i could hunt in the suburbs i'd bag plenty
[21:32:15] <nick> heh
[21:32:45] <nick> i should go hunting one day, for food. but in the london suburbs, it's not even on the radar
[21:32:58] <Blackmoore> no i dont expect it would be.
[21:33:09] <nick> only hunting ever talked about in this country is when the upper class don their gear and run around the countryside chasing foxes for sport
[21:33:31] <Blackmoore> US has a lot more space. i have a friend with 8 acres we can hunt on.
[21:33:43] <Blackmoore> and he's just a teracher.
[21:33:56] <nick> yeah, very different environment there
[21:34:08] <nick> i believe there are some places in the UK it's possible to hunt deer
[21:34:19] <nick> but will be a few hundred miles from where i'm at
[21:35:29] <nick> even if i went to get into it, i'm sure my social status is far too low to get into the scene
[21:35:46] <nick> not part of the landed gentry
[21:37:37] <nick> we do love our class system
[21:46:16] <Blackmoore> yeah; I'll never really get that. I like knowing - in my soul - that that rich bastard isnt any better a human than I am.
[21:46:43] <Blackmoore> of course most of our rich are really awful humansd
[21:47:09] <nick> i know that - in my soul too - but british society generally disagrees.
[21:48:51] <nick> but i think most societies have a degree of plutocracy in them
[21:49:01] <nick> to change the system, you first have to be a success in the system which you seek to change
[21:49:22] <nick> if you're poor, you wont get taken seriously, because you're poor, come back when you're rich and have proved yourself
[21:54:37] <Blackmoore> yeah.
[21:55:31] <Blackmoore> ok i have work i need to wrap up .. i'll be lurking
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[22:31:28] <blackmoore|afk> heading home.