#editorial | Logs for 2014-09-08
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[03:58:15] <mrcoolbp> .op
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[03:59:02] * mrcoolbp tries to ctach up with what's happening
[03:59:45] <juggs> too many channels results in too much scrollback :)
[03:59:58] <mrcoolbp> juggs: yeah it's a volume issue too
[04:00:07] <mrcoolbp> also, just got out of a 12hr shift
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[04:00:14] <mrcoolbp> welcome
[04:00:20] <Subsentient> :^)
[04:00:22] <mrcoolbp> ah crap he brought his bot with him
[04:00:28] <Subsentient> lol
[04:00:30] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient
[04:00:36] <Subsentient> Want her goe?
[04:00:37] <Subsentient> gone?
[04:00:43] <mrcoolbp> nah I was kiddin'
[04:00:46] <Subsentient> kkj
[04:00:52] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: okay so what we do now is start playin' on dev
[04:01:06] <Subsentient> kk
[04:01:09] <mrcoolbp> sec
[04:01:36] <juggs> it's like an old MUD - group a bot and have it follow you around everywhere :D
[04:01:51] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: whenever ya feel like, you can rebuild editor cache on Dev
[04:02:05] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: you now have editor privledges on Dev
[04:02:14] <mrcoolbp> please log in now and observe
[04:02:37] <Subsentient> mrcoolbp: nice
[04:02:39] <Subsentient> kk
[04:03:12] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: this comes with possible site-breaking capability, try not to mess around too much = )
[04:03:32] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: the first things you need to do is read the links that are in the topic of this channel
[04:03:53] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: this will take some time, they are not short, for good reason, there is a lot that goes into this position
[04:04:03] <Subsentient> I'm here
[04:04:13] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: do you see the links?
[04:04:16] <Subsentient> mrcoolbp: kk
[04:04:18] <Subsentient> yeah
[04:04:34] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: please read "Story Style" thorougly
[04:04:45] <Subsentient> Will do
[04:04:56] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: "Story Editing" is more of a guide to the interface
[04:05:06] <mrcoolbp> I've been meaning to make helpful graphics for that page
[04:05:11] * mrcoolbp is overworked
[04:05:53] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: after you have a decent grasp of the basics, your next step is to actually start editing stories on the dev server
[04:06:26] <mrcoolbp> If you're not familiar with it, Dev.sn is a random (semi-recent) dump of the production server, so those are technically real submission
[04:06:27] <mrcoolbp> s
[04:07:37] <mrcoolbp> I'll run you through the VERY basics right now if you ready, but you'll need to use the "Story Editing" doc as a guide to get you around the interface as I just got out of a 12 hour shift and can't hold your hand through it today ( though I may have some time tomorrow mornin' (approx 9 hours from now)
[04:07:43] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: ^
[04:07:54] <Subsentient> kk, reading. Should I pause?
[04:08:07] <Subsentient> monopoly:
[04:08:09] <Subsentient> mrcoolbp:
[04:08:12] <Subsentient> $burrito monopoly
[04:08:12] * aqu4 chucks a nasty, rotten burrito at monopoly
[04:08:18] <mrcoolbp> that was unessary
[04:08:27] * mrcoolbp sucks at spelling right now
[04:08:42] * Subsentient prepares the grammar swastika flags
[04:09:10] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: what I'd like you to do, is learn the editing interface (it has a few quirks)
[04:09:18] <Subsentient> mrcoolbp: Alright.
[04:09:25] <Subsentient> Mostly done with that other article anyways.
[04:09:33] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: then next, I'd like you to edit some submissions on dev as if you were doing so for productions
[04:09:54] <mrcoolbp> Production = prod = our main server
[04:11:17] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: you'll also need to touch base with LamX letting him know that we've started this process, he makes final decisions on editors, I just help recruit people. I know you've been around a long time contributing in an un-official sense, so I'm glad to see you step up with such gusto
[04:12:03] <Subsentient> mrcoolbp: I was going insane with the bad stories.
[04:12:12] <mrcoolbp> perfect
[04:12:19] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: once you've edited a few stories on Dev, you'll need to post them to the dev server, don't worry, dev is where we can screw up and break things
[04:12:35] <Subsentient> I have a virtue in discrimination of quality even when I suck at the rest of the work, always have, so I figured I'd see if I can be of use somewhat.
[04:12:57] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: then LamX can review what you've posted and make a decision eventually (I'd shoot for at least 3 stories you've posted)
[04:15:14] <Subsentient> kk
[04:16:00] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: I'm happy to have you with us. Unfortunately, you're in kind of a purgatory state now, all editors have to go through this, I'd personally like to welcome you to the "staff" group, but I can't make you an official editor. LamX has to do that, he's the leader.
[04:16:28] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: juggs will contact you soon about getting you setup with some IRC privs, also please pester tomorrow and I
[04:16:32] <Subsentient> mrcoolbp: Oh I understand completely.
[04:16:38] <mrcoolbp> I can get you on the mailing list and other stuff
[04:16:44] <Subsentient> ahh
[04:16:50] <mrcoolbp> it's just late now and I don't want to mess things up
[04:17:05] <Subsentient> I suppose that this is the end of $godzilla in #soylent :^(
[04:17:25] <Subsentient> Now I have to be a grownup.
[04:17:33] <mrcoolbp> you now represent us, the fact that you are considering our "image" already is probably a good thing
[04:17:42] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: in public yes = )
[04:19:05] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: usualy I walk people though the editing interface, but you seem like a smart guy, I'm going to try to let you teach yourself, if the docs fall short firstly please let us know, secondly, this channel is mainly populated by the other editors, they will all be helpful (or I'll keeeeeel them) = )
[04:19:19] <Subsentient> mrcoolbp: I feel a news site needs to provide good news, not random drivel as if we just cloned slash repo for a personal project.
[04:19:31] <Subsentient> :^3
[04:19:57] <Subsentient> Things were going good there but that recent ebay story really tipped me over the edge.
[04:20:08] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: it's tougher then you think, we do this in our free time
[04:20:28] <Subsentient> Yeah. I know. I presently have the tired googley eyes so I won't try more than one real story right now.
[04:20:37] <Subsentient> on dev.sn ofc
[04:20:42] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: I'd suggest
[04:21:00] <mrcoolbp> unchecking the "display" checkbox on anything you edit tonight then = )
[04:26:04] <Subsentient> mrcoolbp: First edited submission: http://dev.soylentnews.org
[04:26:06] <monopoly> ^ 04SN (dev) article 03 Close 04(ID comments):
[04:26:16] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: I'll glance at it
[04:29:37] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: that is set to go out in 4 minutes sirc
[04:29:40] <mrcoolbp> sirc *
[04:29:51] <mrcoolbp> sir*
[04:31:28] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: was that your intention?
[04:31:41] <mrcoolbp> = )
[04:31:43] <Subsentient> mrcoolbp: Damn.
[04:31:49] <Subsentient> I meant to get it edited, that's all.
[04:31:57] <Subsentient> Save should not mean "push it out too"
[04:32:11] <Subsentient> But at least I corrected it.
[04:32:25] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: go back and edit it. Uncheck the "Display" checkbox
[04:32:31] <mrcoolbp> you still have time...
[04:33:21] <Subsentient> mrcoolbp: set story to neverdisplay?
[04:34:01] <Subsentient> There
[04:34:02] <Subsentient> I stopped it
[04:34:06] <Subsentient> turned gray as the guide said it would
[04:34:17] <mrcoolbp> yup
[04:34:23] <mrcoolbp> you got it just in time = )
[04:35:20] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: you're first mistake, it won't be your last. It's been mentioned before but: "Try not to let it bother you when you do make a mistake and the community otricizes you"
[04:35:31] <mrcoolbp> it will happen
[04:38:49] <Subsentient> mrcoolbp: I assume that story is now doomed to never go up lol
[04:40:52] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: negative, it's just in limbo 'till you check the box again
[04:42:47] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: like I said, I'm running on fumes right now, but I'll likely be more helpful in the future, ping me whenever and ask for help, also the other editors in this channel know what they are doing
[04:42:56] <Subsentient> mrcoolbp: kk
[04:43:01] <Subsentient> $admin list
[04:43:01] <aqu4> List of admins:
[04:43:02] <aqu4> [1] (4OWNER) *!WhiteRat@216.161.ghn.ql
[04:43:03] <aqu4> [2] (4OWNER) *!WhiteRat@universe2.us/Subsentient
[04:43:03] <aqu4> [3] (8ADMIN) *!mcasadeva@Soylent/Staff/Sysop/mcasadevall
[04:43:04] <aqu4> [4] (8ADMIN) prospectacle!*@v36-485-00-02.mit688.act.optusnet.com.au
[04:43:05] <aqu4> End of list.
[04:43:17] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: I'll leave it to you to get in touch with LamX and let him know I've gotten you started and that you would like to join the team
[04:43:30] <Subsentient> $admin add *!*@Soylent/Staff/mrcoolbp
[04:43:30] <aqu4> Admin add successful.
[04:43:32] <Subsentient> kk
[04:43:39] <Subsentient> mrcoolbp: There.
[04:43:45] <Subsentient> Perfect symmetry :^)
[04:44:03] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient, just let me know if you need anything, pester me about getting you full privs, an email address and on the mailing list, etc once we get the
[04:44:09] <mrcoolbp> "ok" from Laminator
[04:44:26] <mrcoolbp> <--mrcoolbp@soylentnews.org
[04:44:53] <Subsentient> kk then :^)
[04:45:06] <mrcoolbp> I'm always here (literally, I never sign out, thought I'm often at work, etc.) if you need anything
[04:51:30] <mrcoolbp> s/thought/though
[04:55:15] <Subsentient> mrcoolbp: Then tell me, what *is* an appropriate release delay for a story, since I can't find that in the wiki?
[04:56:33] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: good question, that should be added, but we shoot for around 1 hour during the day in the US, maybe 2 - 2.5 at night and on weekends. It depends on the queueu a bit too
[04:57:13] <Subsentient> mrcoolbp: Ahh
[04:57:15] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: I was more saying that you said you were going to knock some out tonight and you were tired, in the morning you could ACK them and send them to display once you are happy
[04:57:46] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: feel free to let stuff go live on "dev" not many visit it anyway, and it's where we go to test stuff and make mistakes
[04:58:00] <Subsentient> mrcoolbp: heh, well I actually have some sort of medical thing nobody can figure out. All thyroid tests and anemia tests come back normal, but I am always tired.
[05:13:50] <juggs> Subsentient, have you on my list to add to the eds group and give you a staff vhost/cloak if that is OK with you
[05:14:50] <Subsentient> juggs: once I get accepted that'd be great, but not before. I might get rejected. Preposterous, I know, but possible
[05:15:48] <Subsentient> juggs: What I want to know is how to edit a story in MEP without putting it into queue for being released.
[05:15:51] <Subsentient> Is that possible?
[05:16:32] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: that would be unchecking the display box as we did already
[05:17:40] <Subsentient> mrcoolbp: Won't that turn it gray?
[05:17:50] <mrcoolbp> exactly
[05:18:20] <Subsentient> mrcoolbp: But that doesn't seem to be the general idea. The idea of signing off for the other editors and editing but not declaring it fit to be a story is what I intend
[05:19:19] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: we are not there yet, we are only on dev, but yes, stories go out without a second check sometimes
[05:19:48] <mrcoolbp> if you are really unsure if it should go out, un-check display and ping an editor
[05:20:12] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: if you are confident, please feel free to post whatever to dev
[05:20:28] <Subsentient> mrcoolbp: The idea is to edit the story and allow other editors to review it before it being accepted as a story
[05:20:38] <mrcoolbp> no one is reading it for the stories, this is just for you to learn and for us to show Lamx what you can do
[05:21:12] <Subsentient> mrcoolbp: I understand but I'd like to get proper procedures down good.
[05:21:32] * juggs kicks mrcoolbp to bed - you'll be no use in the morning Timothy - you'll just get more and more tired if you don't sleep well and we all know how grouchy you get when tired :P Now git up them stairs.
[05:21:56] <mrcoolbp> ug
[05:22:12] * mrcoolbp finishes one more non-SN thing before bed
[05:22:16] <Subsentient> ugga
[05:23:24] * Subsentient pokes juggs since he scared off my resource for learning
[05:23:36] <Subsentient> juggs: Now you have to help me instead. :^3
[05:24:39] <mrcoolbp> hahaha, he doesn't know editing any more then the million monkeys with typewriters in his basement
[05:24:45] <mrcoolbp> good luck Subsentient
[05:25:00] <Subsentient> mrcoolbp: thanks
[05:25:02] <Subsentient> g'night
[05:25:07] <mrcoolbp> g'night
[05:25:36] <mrcoolbp> Subsentient: don't worry to much tonight, just ping me tomorrow, we'll get ya savvy in no time
[05:25:48] <Subsentient> kk
[05:30:38] <juggs> Subsentient, well you try looking after a million monkeys and keeping them in typewriter ribbons - let alone keeping them in a basement where heat and waste extraction become an issue - it's almost a full time job. I know nothing about editing, sheeeeet I only have the output of a million monkeys to edit. Guess I need an editing certificate to pass muster than any experience.
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[13:49:51] <Woods> New record!
[13:50:00] <Woods> 3 responses for someone to think I am a chatbot. Nailed it.
[15:27:43] <mrcoolbp> lol Woods
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[22:20:42] <Subsentient> $burrito mrcoolbp
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