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[23:27:50] <Azrael> night night :)
[23:27:47] <Azrael> and back at you
[23:25:38] <Azrael> :D
[23:25:29] <xlefay> Ciao ;-)
[23:24:52] <xlefay> Azrael: I will be back later, feel free to send your edited document back. Our inital plan is to release it in the next 24 hours or so, from what I gathered - so if you could make that, we'd appreciate it :)
[23:20:42] <xlefay> General proof read, and probably, you'll find a few typo's, so feel free to correct those
[23:20:15] <Azrael> am I reading it for anything in particular? or just general proof?
[23:19:46] <Azrael> received and opening
[23:19:29] <xlefay> ... sent*
[23:18:37] <xlefay> ... send
[23:17:59] <Azrael> of course
[23:17:48] <xlefay> Azrael: of course, you've got a program capable of reading ODT?
[23:15:37] <xlefay> just cc'ing mrcoolbp & explaining why you're getting our report.
[23:13:49] <xlefay> Sending now
[23:12:50] <Azrael> :)
[23:12:41] <xlefay> No, not yet, just finishing it up
[23:12:25] <Azrael> nothing through yet, you sent already?
[23:06:41] <xlefay> Alright, thanks man, I appreciate it :)
[23:05:43] <Azrael> that's fine
[23:05:23] <xlefay> Azrael: haha that's alright, do you mind if I simply e-mail it to you?
[23:05:07] <Azrael> I'm gonna crash in the next few mins, running out of time for me to read :)
[23:03:43] <xlefay> Haha, nice
[23:03:13] <Azrael> I guess I can't be the editor to push it through :D
[23:02:59] <Azrael> someone submitted a blog post written by me as an article
[23:02:47] <Azrael> whoa, that's funny
[22:32:26] <Azrael> okio :)
[22:22:02] <xlefay> haha it's not a big document and I wouldn't want to keep you up. If I get it done in say, 15-30 mins, I'll send it to you if you wish though
[22:20:05] <Azrael> I plan to be in bed in 40 minutes ... but plans don't always go to... er.. plan :D
[22:13:48] <xlefay> If so, will you still be around in say, an hour or so, and if so, would you mind proof reading a document?
[22:13:13] <xlefay> Azrael: ya still here?
[21:52:58] <xlefay> Cool, cool
[21:49:25] <Azrael> We're all dead Dave
[21:49:20] <Azrael> Nope
[21:17:26] <xlefay> Has janrinok left any of you alive?
[21:17:16] <xlefay> Are there any editors which are currently in the state of being alive?
[21:11:33] <xlefay> Azrael: you do NOT want to know about the spade.
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[18:50:58] <monopoly> ^ 03It's a Seller's Market for IT Professionals - Computerworld ( http://www.computerworld.com )
[18:50:56] <Bytram|away> http://rss.computerworld.com
[18:18:04] <monopoly> ^ 03Dimly lit working environments: Correcting body clock is possible -- ScienceDaily ( http://www.sciencedaily.com )
[18:18:03] <Bytram|away> http://feeds.sciencedaily.com
[18:17:59] <Bytram|away> hmm, that's complexicated!
[18:08:08] <janrinok_> ...or should that be complexed?
[18:07:45] * Bytram|away is very complex =)
[18:03:14] <mrcoolbp> bytram will need it, his complexion is like mine
[17:46:44] <Bytram|away> thanks for the warning; /me has no desire to become a lobster!
[17:46:16] <janrinok_> Bytram|away: I hope that you enjoy yourself!
[17:46:11] <paulej72> Bytram|away: don’t forget the sunscreen :)
[17:45:32] <Bytram|away> paulej72: btw, if all goes according to plan, I'll be at the beach most of the day tomorrow.
[17:38:26] <paulej72> NCommander: when I pick up all of the missing pieces from subscrptions you can.
[17:37:26] <NCommander> paulej72, I'm not allowed to be optimistic for once?
[17:33:06] <paulej72> NCommander: you know that trivial and slash don’t belong in the same sentence :)
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[17:32:22] <NCommander> Would be trivial; SA is Perl based
[17:32:17] <NCommander> paulej72, great. I'm thinking we should run AC posts from spam assassin
[17:31:36] <paulej72> NCommander: well then it is probably a display bug. I still need to track it down, but it can wait till later. Thanks for the info.
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[17:31:22] <janrinok|afk> Bytram|away: thx - just got back.
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[17:30:45] <NCommander> paulej72, it seemed to work when I tried it
[17:30:32] <paulej72> Ncommander: even for subnets. When I set a ban on a subnet, it does not show the set value after saving
[17:29:37] <NCommander> paulej72, ban system is known to work
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[16:15:30] <Bytram> janrinok|afk: for the time being, I'm marking it as non-display... don't know how to merge a 'live' story with a submission. sorry!
[15:29:30] <monopoly> ^ 04SN article 03 Close 04(/stats.soylentnews.org/piwik/"; comments):
[15:29:30] <monopoly> ^ 04SN article 03 Close 04(/stats.soylentnews.org/piwik/"; comments):
[15:29:29] <Bytram> janrinok|afk: I just noticed you have a story in the queue: http://soylentnews.org that is a dupe of a story that is already on the front page: http://soylentnews.org
[15:28:51] <Bytram> janrinok|afk: Ping?
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[15:15:29] <mrcoolbp> janrinok|afk: honestly I've been nose-to-the-grindstone on the Swag Store, gotta work on real job all day. Won't be able to look at it with the time it deserves for a few days
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[15:11:24] <janrinok> gtg for an hour or two - cul8r
[15:07:52] <janrinok> were you happy with the other changes to the SN Pol Doc?
[15:07:19] <mrcoolbp> meh
[15:07:15] <janrinok> as I said, back-burner for that one
[15:06:36] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: "If a SuperAdmin is not present on IRC (or you don't know who they are) just send an email to admin@soylentnews.org with $ReleventDetails"
[15:05:37] <janrinok> on to the back-burner with that one.....
[15:05:11] <janrinok> I'm trying to document a procedure that explains to new editors how we do things - _they_ may not know a superadmin. LOL
[15:05:03] <mrcoolbp> ooh ooh, email admin@sn? lol
[15:04:47] * mrcoolbp drinks more coffee
[15:04:40] <mrcoolbp> I dunno
[15:04:36] <mrcoolbp> email Dev@SN ?
[15:03:50] <janrinok> lol
[15:03:36] <mrcoolbp> email EiC if you don't know a single superadmin
[15:02:50] * janrinok notes that then they ask who is a superadmin and how do I contact them.....
[15:02:35] <mrcoolbp> we know eachother, and are master pester-ers
[15:02:23] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: that's what I said = )
[15:02:11] <mrcoolbp> yeah, I'm not sure I could do that
[15:02:10] <janrinok> For the time being I'll simply tell editors to report SPAM to a SuperAdmin for action, and sort of leave it dangling there...
[15:02:08] <paulej72> not sure if it is a display bug or not gettting set bug
[15:01:12] <paulej72> The real issue currently is I need to trace the code all out as we have a bit of a bug right now. If I set a ban on a subnet, it does not show in the user interface that the ban was set, but the dbs seems to show that it has. Until that bug is fixed we may not have the protections that we think we have by setting bans.
[14:59:49] <janrinok> sounds reasonable
[14:59:43] <mrcoolbp> ^^ I'm guessing
[14:59:38] <mrcoolbp> ACLs and Access Modifiers
[14:59:20] <janrinok> I was trying to do that bit for you
[14:59:14] <paulej72> NCommander: has been doing it as well a few times. I have seen the logs
[14:59:13] <mrcoolbp> I think it's not that hard.
[14:59:08] <mrcoolbp> then pj can show me and I can document
[14:59:02] <janrinok> s/not/nor/
[14:58:47] <janrinok> Agreed, but they don't all know what paulej72 does, not is it documented yet.
[14:58:26] <mrcoolbp> since all the 10,000 people have those privs, and IF it's documented on how to do so, any of us could do it
[14:58:18] <paulej72> but on a serious not put in SuperAdmin (those who have a seclev of 10000 in Slash)
[14:58:04] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: but you are looking for someone with privs to do that
[14:57:37] <mrcoolbp> pj, I thought NC said there was a level *above* what we have (he called god)
[14:57:14] <paulej72> I would vote God for the name we use for superadmins
[14:57:06] <mrcoolbp> we just do what we can
[14:56:56] <mrcoolbp> we don't
[14:56:38] <janrinok> lol - I'm not even sure that the admins (super or otherwise) even have their responsibilities listed in such a fashion.
[14:56:20] <mrcoolbp> (please don't write "monkeys" on the policy doc
[14:56:04] <mrcoolbp> not a big change
[14:55:35] <mrcoolbp> SuperAdmin monkeys
[14:55:23] <mrcoolbp> we could all be wiped out in a terrible flood, and replaced with monkeys
[14:55:05] <mrcoolbp> it may vary, so just say "SuperAdmin"
[14:54:32] <janrinok> yes, but how do I know who the SuperAdmin who actions SPAM is?
[14:53:44] <mrcoolbp> just say "SuperAdmin" that's what we were sayin' before
[14:52:55] <janrinok> I'll have to 'invent' a post title for 'someone who actions SPAM'
[14:51:46] <mrcoolbp> 1 is normal user, 100 is editor, not sure if 1000 does anything, 10000 gives one access to grant privs to other users (among a variety of other power to weild)
[14:50:35] <janrinok> Looking at the seclevs above, there are only 2 levels, editors and everyone else!
[14:50:15] <mrcoolbp> ya
[14:49:59] <janrinok> obviously the coffee is working for you....
[14:49:46] <janrinok> lol
[14:49:34] <mrcoolbp> it's turtles all the way down after that
[14:49:22] <mrcoolbp> I think there's a "god" admin too
[14:49:02] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: NC used the term "super-admin"
[14:08:18] <Azrael> xlefay: spade??
[14:03:49] * janrinok notes that forewarned is forearmed - Azreal ought to ask xlefay about his spade....
[14:03:00] <Azrael> also if I find and assassinate a 2-digit user can I swap uid numbers with them? :D just a quick sql query (Iimagine)
[14:02:26] <janrinok> Hi Azrael: lol
[14:02:05] <Azrael> paulej72: can I swap my uid and seclev values?? :D
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[13:54:35] <janrinok> thx for your help - I'll let you get on with the subscription code :)
[13:54:02] <janrinok> Ah, I detect a spot of perl regexes riding to the rescue....
[13:53:50] <paulej72> sure I can let you know
[13:53:30] <paulej72> Yes we block the orginalting IP. but I think we need to setup some new filters to catch the viagra, cialis and what not spam at the source. Need to get a list of key words to filter and add them to the list.
[13:53:01] <janrinok> OK, I'll have to let it ride for a while then. If you remember, can you let me know when you have checked the system please?
[13:52:00] <paulej72> janrinok: SuperSys is not a term we normally use. I am not sure if anytone else has been setting bans, so I think that noone is conversant with how I do it. Also I am nt 100% sure that the ban system is working properly. I was having issues a coulpe of weeks ago and I need check that system out after I get the subscription code working.
[13:50:16] <janrinok> So basically all you do is block the originating IP?
[13:49:34] <paulej72> the ones with seclev at 10000 have the level needed to make bans
[13:49:27] <Woods> Psh, you guys and your two digit UIDs...
[13:49:26] <janrinok> And how many of them are conversant with how you handle spam when it is reported to you?
[13:48:42] <paulej72> +------+------------+--------+
[13:48:40] <paulej72> | 68 | mrcoolbp | 10000 |
[13:48:39] <paulej72> | 65 | xlefay | 10000 |
[13:48:37] <paulej72> | 58 | paulej72 | 10000 |
[13:48:36] <paulej72> | 24 | AudioGuy | 10000 |
[13:48:34] <paulej72> | 13 | mattie_p | 10000 |
[13:48:33] <paulej72> | 3 | robind | 10000 |
[13:48:31] <paulej72> | 2 | NCommander | 10000 |
[13:48:30] <paulej72> | 3765 | zizban | 100 |
[13:48:28] <paulej72> | 2855 | azrael | 100 |
[13:48:27] <paulej72> | 2726 | Woods | 100 |
[13:48:25] <paulej72> | 993 | n1 | 100 |
[13:48:24] <paulej72> | 76 | martyb | 100 |
[13:48:22] <paulej72> | 52 | janrinok | 100 |
[13:48:21] <paulej72> | 32 | Cactus | 100 |
[13:48:19] <paulej72> | 14 | LaminatorX | 100 |
[13:48:18] <paulej72> | 12 | Dopefish | 100 |
[13:48:16] <paulej72> +------+------------+--------+
[13:48:15] <paulej72> | uid | nickname | seclev |
[13:48:12] <paulej72> +------+------------+--------+
[13:48:10] <janrinok> paulej72: OK thx, is the term 'SuperSys' understood by everyone in the sys team - is it a commonly used term?
[13:48:07] <paulej72> janrinok:
[13:46:56] <Woods> Hello!
[13:46:40] <paulej72> Then we are talking slash admins who have a seclev above 1000 or something like that.
[13:46:38] <janrinok> hi Woods
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[13:42:51] <janrinok> well, with regard to handling spam really.
[13:39:53] <paulej72> are we talking full system wide or just in Slash
[13:39:02] <janrinok> paulej72: harking back to a conversation that we had last week, who would you say were the 'SuperSys' operators? I need to identify posts to put into a document.
[13:37:16] <janrinok> we're looking good up to the weekend, but it might start cooling a little then
[13:36:51] <paulej72> been much cooler here recently. about 3-5 C lower than average i would guess.
[13:34:23] <janrinok> good, I think. It's mid afternoon here on a very warm and sunny day.
[13:33:34] <paulej72> yes I am fine and so are my eyes. how about you
[13:32:38] <janrinok> I hope, however, that you are well despite the bloodshot eyes, paulej72 ?
[13:32:11] <janrinok> well you can always correct that...
[13:31:50] <paulej72> i am not high, my eyes are just natrually bloodshot
[13:30:20] <janrinok> hi guys
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[03:02:33] <mrcoolbp> nice
[03:02:30] <monopoly> ^ 04SN article 03 Ford and GM Sued over CD Auto-Rip Device in Cars 04(1 comments):
[03:02:30] <mrcoolbp> testing: http://soylentnews.org
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