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[09:02:09] <Azrael> janrinok|afk: howdy :)
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[13:13:07] <Bytram> http://phys.org
[13:13:26] <monopoly> ^ 03Software provides a clear overview in long documents ( http://phys.org )
[13:14:58] <Woods> Bytram: https://soylentnews.org
[13:15:18] <monopoly> ^ 04SN article 03 What's the Appeal of Playing 'Mundane' Simulator Games? 04(26 comments):
[13:16:17] <Bytram> Woods: ummm, I looked at it... is there something special I should be seeing?
[13:16:28] <Woods> Department. :P
[13:17:13] <Woods> Yesterday you left minutes before it went live.
[13:17:30] <Bytram> lol
[13:18:00] <Bytram> flattered by the appelation, but forgive my memory, what did I do?
[13:50:38] janrinok|afk is now known as janrinok
[13:50:44] <janrinok> hi guys
[13:51:23] <Bytram> janrinok: hi!
[13:51:45] <Bytram> janrinok: hey, how's your wiki-fu?
[13:51:54] <janrinok> Bytram: hi - how's it going - still UTF-8'ing?
[13:52:09] <Bytram> a bit, but also trying to catch up on some old stuff, too
[13:52:12] <janrinok> wiki-fu is OK'ish
[13:52:28] <Bytram> I've got an HTML doc with a draft set of rules for running a board meeting.
[13:52:42] <janrinok> That's a pity......
[13:53:05] <Bytram> want to put it up on the wiki, but have no idea of what kind of things it'll mangle
[13:53:18] <janrinok> Basically, it just wants text thrown at it, with a bit of markup for headings etc - but not HTML markup!
[13:53:35] * Bytram would think it would now how to translate?
[13:53:41] <Bytram> s/now/know/
[13:54:06] <janrinok> Seriously, not trying to be rude, have a look at the Help - Formatting and then you can judge what it might do to your HTML.
[13:54:31] <Bytram> sometimes I need to be pointed to the obvious... THANKS!
[13:54:40] <janrinok> But I wouldn't think it would like it - you will have to remove a lot of HTML removal
[13:55:07] <janrinok> The markup for the wiki is very simple - once you've used it once or twice.
[13:55:22] <Bytram> I'm pretty handy at transmogrifying documents, just need to get used to the vagaries of wiki-formatting, I guess.
[13:55:23] <janrinok> If in doubt, throw it at a page and give me a call.
[13:55:31] * Bytram heads to the help page
[13:55:38] <Bytram> janrinok: nod nod; thanks!
[13:57:52] <janrinok> Bytram: its simple things like =Page Title=, == Header 1 ==, === Header Type 2 ===, etc
[13:58:14] <Bytram> oh boy. :/
[13:58:29] * Bytram is trying to find a place to put the document atm
[13:58:42] <janrinok> so I suppose you could regex all the <h1> to == etc
[13:59:06] <Bytram> yup. am pretty handy with emacs macros,too.
[13:59:44] <janrinok> Pick the page which will be _above_ yours. Begin to edit it and add a link - The link will be red because it doesn't exist yet. Goto the link (blank page) and start typing!
[14:00:30] <janrinok> Don't use the Page Title - that will be the page you link from, i.e. the page above yours.
[14:00:40] <Bytram> that helps! I found a place to put it, but the page might be locked? http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[14:00:59] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03SoylentNews PBC Board of Directors: The Board of Directors of SoylentNews PBC (the "Corporation") has general responsibility for the Corporation. The Board derives its powers from the Bylaws of the Corporation, Article III ("Directors"), Section 1 ("Powers"):
[14:01:27] <janrinok> mrcoolb was working on that, but I don't think it was locked last time I looked. Hang on - I'm just firing up my main box
[14:01:36] <Bytram> k, thanks!
[14:02:20] <janrinok> I have IRC and rss-bot running all day on a secondary box.....
[14:04:29] <janrinok> Yep - he's locked it. Pick any page to start with that is not locked - it is easy to move the document later when you make contact with mrcoolbp
[14:04:44] <Bytram> thanks for the confirmation!
[14:04:56] <janrinok> Put it in Editorial if you want for the time being Bytram
[14:04:58] <Bytram> looks like I might be able to put a link here: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[14:04:59] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03SoylentNews Policy Document: Parent:Useful_Links
[14:05:24] <janrinok> Yep, that's one of mine and not locked.
[14:05:53] <janrinok> Do you want me to start you off or would you rather do it yourself and learn by poking around?
[14:06:08] <Bytram> I'll poke if you will watch?
[14:06:10] <Bytram> nograb
[14:06:16] <janrinok> go ahead
[14:06:42] <Bytram> Under "Organization > The Board" I should click [edit] to insert a new link there?
[14:07:36] <janrinok> You are going to create a new page, so you can put it where you like - the end of the doc I suggest. Because all you will add to this page is a link
[14:08:19] <janrinok> [[link_to_your_page|Link To Your Page]] is the link format
[14:10:09] <Bytram> almost done, hold on
[14:10:44] <Bytram> janrinok: ok, I think I got it: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[14:10:45] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03SoylentNews Policy Document: Parent:Useful_Links
[14:10:59] <Bytram> I now have a link to a new page: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[14:11:00] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03Board Meetings Rules of Order: There is currently no text in this page. You can search for this page title in other pages, or search the related logs, but you do not have permission to create this page. ( http://wiki.soylentnews.org )
[14:11:30] <janrinok> Ah OK, not where I was looking but a good place!
[14:11:35] <Bytram> thanks
[14:11:51] <Bytram> I'm just gonna try putting in what I have and see what happens; cross your fingers!
[14:12:34] <janrinok> yep that worked - now 'edit this page'
[14:12:37] <Bytram> Huh! Not too bad! I'm going to save it as is.
[14:13:15] <Bytram> take a look: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[14:13:16] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03Board Meetings Rules of Order: &<p class="p1">This document lays out guidelines for conducting Board Meetings of SoylentNews PBC. Its intent is to facilitate an open and efficient meeting whereby input is solicited and decisions can be made in a cordial and effective ...
[14:13:33] <janrinok> Looks good for HTML - brilliant!
[14:14:05] <janrinok> take out all the <p>, a CRLF starts a new para.
[14:14:38] <Bytram> Must say I was pleasantly surprised, but it makes sense that a wiki should be able to help take in plain html and make it somewhat presentable for getting things started on a site.
[14:14:56] <janrinok> Yep - but I didn't know whether it would or not....
[14:15:09] <Bytram> one thing that I'll need help on is making links from the items in the "Contents" section to each of the subsections referenced
[14:15:25] <Bytram> let me clean up the extraneous html markup, first. brb
[14:15:28] <janrinok> internal page links?
[14:15:58] <Bytram> yup. for example, where it has: These are the primary steps of running a board meeting:
[14:15:58] <Bytram> Call to Order / Open the meeting
[14:16:30] <janrinok> Help - Formatting -Links - Internal links
[14:16:43] <Bytram> I want item #1 to go to the subsection with the same title (ooops - gotta fix that), item #2 to the matching subssection, etc. all within *this* document
[14:17:02] <Bytram> let me clean out the leftover HTML markup. back in a bit
[14:17:31] <janrinok> as above then 'Internal link to an anchor'
[14:25:48] <Bytram> okay, I think I've cleaned out any HTML elements that displayed.
[14:26:00] <janrinok> see my line above yours
[14:26:16] * Bytram heads to the help page
[14:31:39] <Bytram> oh. It looks like it uses standard html ID's and HREFs
[14:31:54] <janrinok> So you are a happy boy now!
[14:32:06] <Bytram> in *theory*
[14:32:11] <janrinok> lol
[14:32:21] <Bytram> notice how I said it *looks* like... =)
[14:33:05] <janrinok> I followed a few random links while you were editing and found a whole load of HTML bits and pieces...
[14:33:28] <Bytram> hmm?
[14:34:19] <janrinok> down on the Help:Formatting page
[14:34:42] <janrinok> HTML tags
[14:35:11] <Bytram> kinda busy atm... will check later
[14:35:31] <janrinok> understood
[14:36:44] <janrinok> You do know that all the titles in your Contents are _already_ internal links - try clicking on one...
[14:37:15] <Bytram> no?!!!! really?
[14:37:19] <janrinok> try it
[14:37:47] <janrinok> I think that we were talking at cross-purposes
[14:38:38] <Bytram> umm, I see what you saw... I still have work to do.
[14:38:57] <janrinok> what would you like it to do that it doesn't do yet?
[14:39:00] <Bytram> I'm thinking that each thing under 1.3 contents should be a link to the corresponding place in the doc
[14:40:04] <janrinok> Do you mean ' 1. Call to Order etc should link to somewhere else?
[14:40:51] <Bytram> I've got it figured out; I have the IDs for a target, I just (!) need to make links to them...
[14:40:57] <Bytram> brb too much coffee
[14:41:32] <janrinok> If you just use a lower header i.e. === Call to Order === it will do it all automagically.
[14:42:36] <janrinok> ...if I'm following what you are trying to achieve.
[14:42:52] <janrinok> brb too much tea!
[14:44:20] <Bytram> janrinok: I think I've got it figured out... give me a few minutes
[14:47:52] <janrinok> Suggestion: Rename your 'Contents' to read 'Sequence of Actions' to prevent confusion with the contents at the top of the page?
[14:50:51] <Bytram> janrinok: take a look at it now. http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[14:50:52] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03Board Meetings Rules of Order: This is first DRAFT of a guide to running Board Meetings of SoylentNews PBC.
[14:51:31] <janrinok> excellent!
[14:52:20] <Bytram> janrinok: thanks for your help! Just needed to have someone looking over my shoulder in case I went too far off-course... wouldn't have been able to do it alone.
[14:52:32] <janrinok> Point of clarity - only Board members can vote, but can any observer speak if given the Floor?
[14:52:38] <Bytram> ys.
[14:52:41] <Bytram> yes.
[14:52:46] <janrinok> thx
[14:53:29] <Bytram> I had gotten to a point where there was too much stuff spinning around in my head and I needed to get it down in writing so another set of eyes could look it over.
[14:53:53] <Bytram> I *expect* there will be questions/refinements
[14:53:57] <Bytram> =)
[14:54:09] <janrinok> exactly - I've done some work on Policy, but it still requires work by others and then opening up for general comments.
[14:54:17] <Bytram> exatly!
[14:54:41] <janrinok> I can't find any typos!
[14:56:12] <janrinok> I see that you've kept most of the HTML - the other docs use wiki markup but I don't suppose it will make any difference in appearence.
[14:56:56] <Bytram> KISS!
[14:57:01] <janrinok> Actually - it does. The Headings are not in the same style but that is being super-picky!
[14:57:29] <janrinok> Much less typing in wiki-markup
[14:57:36] <Bytram> they may appear to be overly large or extra bold because of the header level that I used?
[14:57:51] <Bytram> much less *thinking* for me in HTML!
[14:58:01] <Bytram> emacs SGML mode FTW
[14:58:14] <janrinok> yep - but I'm not sure which <h?> applies to === level
[14:59:07] <Bytram> janrinok: try some! edit the doc, put in a '===' after a couple of the headings, and see what matches up.
[14:59:17] <janrinok> The important thing is the get the documents, procedures and policy in print - we can worry more about the aesthetics later.
[14:59:26] <Bytram> nod nod
[15:02:20] <Bytram> FYI: I just put up a story submission: http://soylentnews.org
[15:02:21] <monopoly> ^ 04SN Submission by martyb 03Computer Keyboard Recommendations?
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[15:02:49] <janrinok> looking
[15:03:05] <Bytram> I know it's kind of late in the day, but I suspect it would spark a LOT of discussion if we could run it early this afternoon; nice way to wind up the week, so to speak/write.
[15:04:01] <janrinok> move one of mine and put yours in its place if you wish - I bet someone complains about the spelling (although I _understand_ why you have done it!)
[15:04:31] <Bytram> thought I'd add it for *dramatic effect*
[15:04:34] <Bytram> =)
[15:05:07] <Bytram> I appreciate the offer on swapping story slots with you.
[15:05:08] <janrinok> Somebody will complain about the standard of editors, not checking our work, when he was young...., get off my grass!
[15:05:28] <Bytram> as I'm not supposed to approve my own stories, would you please be so kind as to do the honors?
[15:05:40] <Bytram> janrinok: s/grass/lawn/
[15:06:04] <janrinok> certainly - when would you like it to go out - name the story you want to replace rather than confuse each other with tz
[15:06:21] <Bytram> .op
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[15:06:27] <Bytram> .deop
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[15:06:45] * LaminatorX is adjusting to the concept of a world where new Model M's are available.
[15:06:52] <Bytram> LOL!
[15:06:55] <janrinok> lol - hi LaminatorX
[15:07:12] <Bytram> funny thing is that the Model M's have a *membrane* pad under the keyswitches.
[15:07:20] * Bytram liked the capative ones!
[15:07:35] <Bytram> s/ative/acitive/
[15:07:58] <janrinok> Bytram: pick a time please
[15:08:13] <Bytram> s; got distracted.
[15:08:22] <Bytram> 21:01
[15:08:25] <Bytram> please.
[15:08:33] <janrinok> lol
[15:09:05] <Bytram> would actually prefer: 17:54 but that's Azrael's
[15:09:37] <janrinok> do you have a preferred Dept? something witty, perhaps?
[15:09:54] <Azrael> ???
[15:10:20] <Bytram> janrinok: fffix-mmmy-kkkeys-ppplease
[15:10:30] <Bytram> idk
[15:10:31] <janrinok> OK lol
[15:10:43] <Bytram> I'm open to suggestions; that's what first came to mind
[15:11:39] <janrinok> you can 2nd ed it if you wish!
[15:11:57] * Bytram is thinking it would be a real hoot if he selected a letter and doubled every occurence of THAT one; selected a different letter, and REMOVED all occurences of it. then pose a puzzle to the readers to figure out which is which.
[15:12:18] <janrinok> you mean like I usually type?
[15:12:24] <Bytram> LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
[15:12:36] <Bytram> ah, thanks for the laugh! You're QUICK!
[15:12:55] <janrinok> the truth is often funny - but hurts...
[15:13:40] <janrinok> gtg - bbl - 2 hours'ish
[15:13:52] <Bytram> as much as I'd like to 2nd edit it, I'll let someone else take the reins on that one.
[15:14:07] * Bytram reserves the right for a quick looksee before it goes live. =)
[15:14:26] <Bytram> janrinok: I see you put it in and updated the time; MUCH obliged!
[15:14:37] <janrinok> np
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[15:14:53] <Bytram> tnks again! cyal8r
[15:28:50] <Bytram> made a little tweak to emphasize desire for a lighter touch to the keyboard
[15:31:26] <Woods> Bytram: Edited department to read "fffix-mmy-kkkys-ppppplas"
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[15:37:24] <Bytram|afk> Woods: LOL! thaks!
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[23:08:26] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: looks like I missed Bytram
[23:08:58] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: only here for a bit, gotta run back out, shall I unlock a page for mr Bytram?
[23:11:29] <mrcoolbp> oh, he's not here = (