#editorial | Logs for 2014-07-18

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[14:33:07] <janrinok> hi guys
[14:38:17] <Azrael> yoyo
[14:39:59] <LaminatorX> Hi.
[14:42:40] <Azrael> LaminatorX: howdy :)
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[14:49:53] <janrinok> hi Azrael LaminatorX mrcoolbp
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[14:50:18] <Bytram> hi all!
[14:50:40] <mrcoolbp> good $time-slot to everyone
[14:50:56] <janrinok> how's things Bytram ?
[14:51:09] <Bytram> LaminatorX: Hey there! I notice you were/are editing the Superconducting cable story... are you done with it? There's a typo in the title and I don't want to overwrite any pending changes if you are still working on it
[14:51:13] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: finally skimmed the SN Policy doc, it's lookin' good, I'm hoping we can par down the language a bit somewhere but it's starting to look pretty comprehensive
[14:51:22] <mrcoolbp> I still have to add some stuff for sure though
[14:51:26] <Bytram> janrinok: ok, running a little behind
[14:51:31] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: g'day!
[14:51:34] <janrinok> Yep I'm working on it.
[14:51:48] <LaminatorX> Fix away. I totally did not notice the typo. Go teamwork.
[14:51:55] <Bytram> !woop
[14:51:55] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[14:51:58] <Bytram> on my way
[14:52:25] * LaminatorX has only gotten three hours of sleep for two nights in a row, and is likely to miss many things at the moment.
[14:52:51] <mrcoolbp> LaminatorX: damn, thou must sleepeth
[14:52:54] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: I going to move it to the wiki - because it is easier to both edit and easier for everyone to see what has been done. And I'm going to separate it into sections: General, Editiorial, Systems etc just for ease of management. Are you OK with that?
[14:54:25] * Bytram helpfully offers LaminatorX a blanket, milk, and some cookies. :)
[14:54:57] <LaminatorX> Sadly, I am at the office for another 6 hours. Thanks, ust the same.
[14:55:57] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: please do!
[14:56:01] <janrinok> thx
[14:56:07] * Bytram has been known to nod off at work once or twice in the past :/
[14:56:13] <mrcoolbp> LaminatorX: well then take a day off or something after
[14:56:18] <Bytram> ^^
[14:56:41] <Bytram> btw, an observation on editing...
[14:56:45] * janrinok has been know to wake up once or twice when at work...
[14:56:59] <janrinok> known*
[14:57:15] <paulej72> ^ same
[14:57:26] <janrinok> hi paulej72
[14:57:47] <paulej72> hello. I have been lurking since 9 EDt
[14:58:09] <Bytram> wherever one would have an mdash, using *just* a single hyphen/dash can lead to confusion with a hyphenated word... I have previouly used " -- " to mark out a replaced mdash and would like to propose that as the norm here.
[14:58:51] <janrinok> paulej72: a question. I notify you of spam in the submission list or in the comments, what post/role are you filling when I do that? - I have to document the procedure and I'm not sure how to phrase it.
[14:59:47] <janrinok> By or single hyphen with spaces before and after...?
[14:59:54] * Bytram is upda the superconducting story accordingly (replacing '-' mdashes with ' -- ')
[15:00:01] <Bytram> s/upda/updating/
[15:01:50] <LaminatorX> Does &#8212;. work on slash at present?
[15:02:08] <Bytram> ugh... just hit wrong button, hold on!
[15:02:14] <mrcoolbp> LaminatorX: ask TheMightyBuzzard in #soylent
[15:02:53] <Bytram> LaminatorX: Last I knew, &mdash; got stripped out. I dunno about &#8212; will have to try it... brb
[15:03:13] <paulej72> I check that it ipid for that sub is only being used by the spammer. Then I set and Access Modifier of Spammer. This sets ACS of No Comment Post, No Comment Post Anon, and No Story Submit.
[15:04:13] <LaminatorX> &####; almost always works.
[15:04:54] <janrinok> paulej72: Yep, I'm OK with that. I don't need the details, what I have to say is that 'an editor must notify ..? that there is spam in...'. Is it you in particular, any member of Sys, or is there a function (e.g. Spam Controller) or whatever ?
[15:05:01] <Bytram> LaminatorX: yeah, but there's bunches of filters in there that actively block out certain character entities...
[15:05:05] <Bytram> still checking...
[15:06:10] <paulej72> janrinok: it needs to be a slah super admin, but I do not think that list matches any of out functional group lists.
[15:06:51] <LaminatorX> I just previewed &8212; in my journal. I got an emdash.
[15:07:13] <LaminatorX> It wasn't munged in the editor window either.
[15:07:22] <janrinok> That'll be why I am having a problem then..... Say, in 10 years time, you are no longer doing the same role, I need to be able to write a procedure that will endure through the change.
[15:07:41] <Bytram> LaminatorX: I just put the following in the extended comments section of the superconducting story and noticed it got mangled on the way to/from the db...
[15:07:46] <Bytram> <p>"&amp;#8212;" = "&#8212;"</p>
[15:07:47] <Bytram> <p>"&amp;mdash;" = "&mdash;"</p>
[15:07:50] <Bytram> became..
[15:07:59] <Bytram> <p>"&amp;#8212;" = "&#8212;"</p><p>"&amp;mdash;" = ""</p>
[15:08:11] <Bytram> and appeared as:
[15:08:20] <Bytram> "&#8212;" = ""
[15:08:20] <Bytram> "&mdash;" = ""
[15:08:33] <Bytram> in the preview area.
[15:08:59] <Bytram> I know this is an area under major development (thanks to TheMightyBuzzard) under his UTF-8 support efforts.
[15:09:30] <janrinok> paulej72: if you could (in slow time) please think about it within Sys and come up with a suitable post/role it would be helpful for several other documents that we are having to write to support Incorporation etc.
[15:09:52] <Bytram> so, for the time being, I suppose we can use the easy-to-remember decimal numeric character entity: &#8212; until such time as the next release of code goes live.
[15:12:41] <LaminatorX> I don't know that I'd call it easy to remember, but the unicode list up in the topic is handy.
[15:13:15] <janrinok> I find the space-hyphen-space combo much quicker although technically incorrect - it is quite readable.
[15:14:55] <Bytram> LaminatorX: that was a tongue-in-cheek / ironic observation that fell absolutely flat as a joke. :/
[15:15:36] <Bytram> I have updated the story to use &#8212; throughout. take a look: http://soylentnews.org
[15:15:37] <LaminatorX> My fault, semi-concious.
[15:15:52] <Bytram> my fault: sem-funny.
[15:15:56] <Bytram> my fault: semifunny.
[15:16:01] <Bytram> See! :/
[15:16:35] <janrinok> Bytram: it cannot be your fault - see my sig!
[15:16:53] <LaminatorX> semi—textual
[15:17:00] <Bytram> janrinok: c'mon... it's nice to share! =)
[15:17:13] <LaminatorX> ^totally used an emdash there.
[15:18:01] <janrinok> LaminatorX: and very pretty it looks too
[15:19:28] <janrinok> gtg - bbl - 2hrs'ish
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[15:20:13] <Bytram> mdash: ndash: hyphen: -
[15:20:20] <Bytram> janrinok|afk: cya
[15:20:30] <Bytram> actually, I must do the same!
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[15:20:46] <Azrael> mbop, nbop, bop
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[15:21:43] <janrinok|afk> LaminatorX: in your example though, shouldn't it really have _been_ a hyphen? &mdash is for separating two clauses? Not sure, I forgotten much of this sort of thing.
[15:21:51] <LaminatorX> CL is an underappreciated talent.
[15:22:08] <LaminatorX> It totally should have been a hyphen, yes.
[15:22:45] * janrinok|afk totters off believing that he as at least remembered 1 thing from the dim and distant past...
[15:23:14] <LaminatorX> More than you ever wanted to know about dashes: http://en.wikipedia.org
[15:46:23] <Bytram|afk> LaminatorX: fascinating reading--thanks for the link! <grin>
[15:46:27] <Bytram|afk> gtg
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[15:50:35] <LaminatorX> me2
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[18:16:01] <janrinok> Azrael: are you around?
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[18:44:27] <janrinok> Bytram|away: hi
[18:45:02] <Bytram|away> janrinok: shhhhh... I'm not here yet!
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[18:45:16] <Bytram> janrinok: Hi!
[18:45:18] <janrinok> ok -pretend I didn't say that
[18:45:24] <Bytram> say what? ;)
[18:45:29] <janrinok> Oh Hi! I didn't know that you were here!
[18:45:38] <Bytram> LOL!
[18:45:57] <janrinok> how's things?
[18:46:02] <Bytram> thanks! I *needed* that! Humo[u]r is a wonderful thing!
[18:46:12] <Bytram> came in to make a couple story fixes...
[18:46:16] <janrinok> especially when spelled correctly
[18:46:31] <Bytram> four shore!
[18:46:39] <janrinok> Anything I can help with?
[18:47:04] <janrinok> I not make spolling mistooks or grammer errers.
[18:47:23] <Bytram> write!
[18:47:34] <janrinok> oh que
[18:48:01] <janrinok> or should that be oh quay - I never know
[18:48:29] <Bytram> AnonTechie suggested a "dept" for the "Is the Universe a bubble" story; lamx didn't use it and addedone of his own; which should we use?
[18:48:54] <Bytram> linky: http://soylentnews.org
[18:49:04] <janrinok> If LamX is the ed - it's his story. The submission is advisory only
[18:49:51] <janrinok> After all, we often rewrite submissions.
[18:50:13] <Bytram> so we should strike the part of the story which *still* contains the suggested "dept" text?
[18:50:24] <Bytram> "bubble bubble toil and trouble dept."
[18:50:37] <janrinok> Oh yes - they shouldn't both be in there. Sry I wasn't thinking about that.
[18:50:44] <Bytram> btw, lamx said he's going on 3 hrs sleep these past two nights, so take that as you will.
[18:51:16] <janrinok> We all get very tired from time to time. Let him rest.
[18:51:26] <Bytram> oh, yes, definitely!
[18:51:58] <Bytram> yanno, it's not causing any harm leaving the submitter's suggestion in there, and I actually *do* like it...
[18:52:12] <janrinok> I'm trying to find out how to do a spell check in the wiki.....
[18:52:14] <Bytram> I say just leave it as is. what say you?
[18:52:33] <janrinok> OK, leave it - I don't suppose anyone will complain (more than usual...)
[18:52:35] <Bytram> janrinok: no idea. I copy paste to a terminal window and use a spell checker, there.
[18:52:40] <Bytram> nod nod
[18:54:06] <Bytram> there are a couple other minor typos in it; going in to fix 'em.
[18:54:08] <Bytram> brb
[18:54:10] <paulej72> use a browser with spellchecking :)
[18:54:23] <Bytram> paulej72: yeah, that helps, too!
[18:54:31] <janrinok> paulej72: I have - but for some reason it doesn't show in the wiki...?
[18:54:41] <Bytram> paulej72: btw, thanks for all you do behind the scenes to keep this boat afloat!
[18:55:11] <Bytram> I don't say it often enough, but I really appreciate your hard work, and you do it so quietly and smoothly, I don't even notice!
[18:55:18] <paulej72> Bytram: this is a submarine and is not susposed to float
[18:55:42] * Bytram notes that would make it a bit difficult to disembark, no?
[18:57:34] * janrinok wonders if Bytram has been issued with his waterwings and breathing straw yet....
[18:58:12] * Bytram notes he's going to ask for an extra-long straw, just in case
[18:59:43] <janrinok> paulej72: It seems that, when entering the wiki, IceWeasel 'forgets' which language I use and so disables the spellcheck. Selecting a language and it works again...
[19:05:59] <Bytram> janrinok: I prolly shouldn't have done it to a live story, but it's Friday... I added a link to the journal article in the summary.
[19:06:49] <janrinok> No, I had to do the same to one of Az's stories about an hour ago. The only link was paywalled - so nobody could actually read TFS!
[19:12:13] * Bytram has not tried it, but ISTR there may be public libraries that have access to some journals.
[19:13:08] <janrinok> OK thx, but I wasn't in a position to go looking. I just googled the story and found a viewable link and added it with an Ed's Comment at the bottom.
[19:14:25] <Bytram> yup; sounds like the best approach. Besides...
[19:14:59] <Bytram> I can't imagine too many libraries would be much pleased with a few hundreds/thousands of journal lookups coming through them all at once!
[19:15:18] <Bytram> afk food, back in a few
[19:15:22] <janrinok> lol - the other site had a name for that.
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[19:17:35] <janrinok|afk> bb in 1 hour
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