#editorial | Logs for 2014-07-14

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[00:44:51] <mrcool> Azrael, n1 I need a quick review if either of you have a second
[00:46:15] <mrcool> = /
[00:47:03] <n1> yo
[00:47:21] <mrcool> n1: are you n1@soylentnews.org?
[00:47:24] <n1> aye
[00:47:26] <mrcool> k
[00:49:11] <mrcool> n1: did you follow the whole APK encounter?
[00:49:26] <mrcool> n1: I'm responding to an email he sent the admin@sn address
[00:49:53] <mrcool> n1: I'm on 4 hours sleep / the last 48 hours, so I need an ACK on this one
[00:50:25] <n1> i have been following yeah, dont know all the details but ive seen his rants
[00:51:17] <mrcool> n1: you got mail
[00:53:40] <n1> i'm checking it now, making a few changes. will send it back in a couple mins.
[00:54:05] <n1> i'm only a couple hours ahead of you on the sleep front and it's nearly 2am here, so hopefully i'm not just making it worse ;)
[00:54:13] <mrcool> rofl
[00:54:41] <mrcool> okay, I gotta go relax with my wife, send it back and I'll do the rest
[00:54:44] <mrcool> much appreciated!
[00:54:59] <n1> take it easy
[00:55:02] <mrcool> you 2
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[13:29:16] * mrcoolbp proposes changing the topic to "Prospective Editors please read: http://sylnt.us and http://sylnt.us" but isn't sure why the list of unicode chars are in the topic
[13:30:26] <n1> because things get ugly in copy/pasted submissions
[13:32:16] <n1> ah crud
[13:34:04] <n1> i would also include a link to the submission guidelines too, to cover both sides of process
[13:34:15] <mrcoolbp> will do
[13:34:49] <n1> hope the email was alright?
[13:35:26] <mrcoolbp> n1: need to wait till coffee kicks in, but reading last night before bed it looked like an intelligently crafted subtle improvement
[13:35:39] <n1> lol
[13:35:48] <n1> ok, i needed that laugh :p
[13:35:53] * mrcoolbp wants to handle this professionally and will reword some of his own stuff, but likes your changes
[13:36:00] <mrcoolbp> = )
[13:38:59] <n1> compared to a work email i got this morning
[13:39:03] <n1> it's fantastic
[13:40:20] <n1> that included a 'no' instead of 'know' and a 'thoughs' instead of 'those'. Also included not one bit of punctuation.
[13:40:43] <mrcoolbp> n1: yeah but the content of the email is what I'd like to be...articulate with
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[14:37:56] <n1> hi Bytram
[14:38:28] <Bytram> n1: hi! how's things?
[14:38:55] <n1> just accidentally hit delete on a story ¬_¬
[14:39:25] <Bytram> woops!
[14:39:42] <Bytram> ummm, might be able to get it back from the original submission
[14:39:44] <n1> otherwise, same ol' shit ... time is running out on projects, client is trying to get a loan to be able to get it moving...
[14:39:50] <n1> it's ok, i managed to get it back
[14:39:55] <Bytram> yay!
[14:39:59] <Bytram> how'd you do that?
[14:40:18] <n1> i just went to go back a page, hit preview and it's still ok to edit
[14:40:23] <n1> what happens when i save it.... who knows
[14:40:40] <Bytram> nod nod; i think I've done that before; seemed to be okay, IIRC
[14:41:31] <n1> dont even know how i hit the wrong button in the first place
[14:41:45] <n1> wrong button syndrome.
[14:42:53] <n1> how are you doing?
[14:43:09] <Bytram> yup; I've got a wireless keyboard that occasionally drops letters and then autorepeats others, randomly
[14:43:20] <n1> yup, wbs is in force... just typed that question on the wrong keys, one key to the right.
[14:43:22] <Bytram> ok, a bit tired and sore, but in good spirts otherwise
[14:43:38] <n1> had a busy weekend?
[14:44:05] <Bytram> yup; worked all through it and going in again tonight.
[14:44:07] <Bytram> brb
[14:49:25] <Bytram> back for a bit.
[14:49:35] <n1> wb
[14:49:48] <Bytram> sorry to hear about the challenges at work; it gets frustrating, I know!
[14:50:51] <n1> yeah, it's an all or nothing kind of deal... i might not be here for a week or two as a result. was supposed to be working on it from the start of this month, can't do anything yet.
[14:51:24] <n1> so i might be working 24/7 between tomorrow-4th
[14:51:32] <n1> or any later than tomorrow, need to find some more hours in the day
[14:53:43] * Bytram offers a couple I'm not using at the moment
[14:53:52] <n1> lol
[14:54:03] <n1> sounds like you need them for a bit of R&R
[14:54:04] <Bytram> yep, hurry up and wait... and then go nuts.
[14:54:28] <Bytram> been there. can be exhausting, but also exhilerating, too!
[14:54:40] <n1> it always seems to be this way, all or nothing. I can see why most people prefer being an employee.
[14:55:22] <Bytram> yup, but that has its own trade-offs and some of those are pretty significant, too.
[14:56:12] <n1> oh indeed, thats why i turned down a very good job offer, after getting them to increase their offer, heh.
[14:56:27] <Bytram> lol!
[14:57:04] <Bytram> nod nod; I'm an employee atm, but thinking of getting back into the software realm... it's been a while though, so hard to get my foot in the door.
[14:57:37] <n1> yeah, I know how it goes, i spend most of my time 'networking' and chasing leads, not actually doing the 'work'.
[14:59:39] <Bytram> nod nod
[14:59:50] <n1> what sort of stuff are you wanting to do? If i have any freelance work I can probably offer it your way if you're interested.
[15:00:04] <n1> I'm not a dev/coder but opportunities do come up.
[15:01:14] <Bytram> I'm still good with general concepts and seeing/manipulating patterns/sets of things. what language do you use?
[15:02:48] <n1> I don't use any, every job is different and coding isn't my deal.
[15:02:59] <Bytram> ah. got it.
[15:03:20] <n1> I wish it was simple, but in everything, there's no one size fits all
[15:03:36] <Bytram> yep, if there were, you couldn't charge much for it. =)
[15:03:47] <Bytram> nature calls, brb
[15:03:55] <n1> What languages are you versed in, just to give me an idea if something does come up?
[15:03:56] <n1> ok
[15:10:16] <Bytram> umm, lately been doing a lot with gawk; don't have the environment set up for it atm, but have done C, Fortran, Cobol, PL/1, bunches offferent shell/batch languages
[15:10:29] <Bytram> afk
[15:10:52] <n1> take it easy :)
[15:45:02] <Woods> n1, Janrinok, Azrael: I am going on vacation from Thursday the 17th, to Monday the 21st. I have no idea if I will be near a computer at any point during that time frame.
[15:46:26] <n1> Noted, Woods. Hope you have a good vacation :)
[15:47:12] <n1> i'm not going to be around friday/saturday myself - going for one day of a music festival.
[15:47:12] <Woods> Me too, going to see the family.
[15:47:19] <Woods> Nkice
[15:47:37] <n1> is seeing the family usually a good thing? ;)
[15:47:57] <Woods> It is a thing, lol
[15:48:21] <n1> hahaha
[15:48:23] <Woods> I am awkward, even around my family, but they miss me (Or something) so I figured I should go see them.
[15:48:47] <n1> my mum was around for a week or so, she lives overseas. she was actually well behaved so it was reasonably pleasant.
[15:49:55] <n1> I hope you find it enjoyable and get some r&r, and it's nice to be missed (or something)!
[15:50:44] <Woods> lol indeed.
[15:55:22] <Azrael> Woods: have fun!!! we'll trash the place while you're gone!
[15:55:55] <Woods> Dang it you guys, this is why we do not have nice things.
[15:56:52] <Azrael> :P
[15:58:15] <n1> lol
[16:01:01] <mrcoolbp> .op
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[16:01:03] <mrcoolbp> .topic | Please read: http://sylnt.us http://sylnt.us and http://sylnt.us | http://en.wikipedia.org |
[16:01:03] SkyNet changed topic of #editorial to: | Please read: http://sylnt.us http://sylnt.us and http://sylnt.us | http://en.wikipedia.org |
[16:01:06] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03Story Style: Note: Whereas some languages, like French and German, have standardized forms governed by regulatory bodies, English is in many ways a free-for-all. Let this be a collection of ... ( http://wiki.soylentnews.org )
[16:01:09] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03Editing Process: Parent: Editors Team ( http://wiki.soylentnews.org )
[16:01:09] <monopoly> ^ 03SoylentNews: FAQ ( http://soylentnews.org )
[16:01:09] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03List of Unicode characters: This is a list of Unicode characters
[16:01:09] <mrcoolbp> .deop
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[16:05:27] <chromas> Guess I need to detect and ignore .commands
[16:05:42] <mrcoolbp> chromas probably
[16:10:02] <chromas> Fixed
[16:10:15] <mrcoolbp> chromas: shall I test?
[16:10:42] <chromas> Sure
[16:11:31] <mrcoolbp> .op
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[16:11:35] <chromas> "If I test it, is it really going to work? Or are you just lying again?" :D
[16:11:35] <mrcoolbp> .topic | Please read: http://sylnt.us http://sylnt.us and http://sylnt.us | http://en.wikipedia.org |
[16:11:55] <mrcoolbp> .deop
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[16:12:18] <mrcoolbp> chromas: looks good = )
[16:12:37] * mrcoolbp notes topic probably didn't change because it was exactly the same
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[17:26:43] <janrinok> hi guys
[17:26:48] <mrcoolbp> janrinok!
[17:26:54] <mrcoolbp> hey, how are ya?
[17:27:14] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: not too bad - enjoying the holiday w/e here - Bastille Day to day.
[17:27:40] <mrcoolbp> cool, do you get to behead a bunch of people?
[17:28:13] <janrinok> Unfortunately not - but I have a list ready just in case someone gives the opportunity!
[17:28:17] <mrcoolbp> = (
[17:28:27] <janrinok> No - only locals
[17:28:35] <mrcoolbp> = )
[17:29:29] <janrinok> I noticed that in one of the local cheese shops on Saturday morning, they were using a model guillotine to slice cheese!
[17:29:38] <mrcoolbp> nice
[17:29:51] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: after you check n1's stories, I have a project we could work on
[17:29:56] <janrinok> I suppose they only bring it out once a year....
[17:30:08] <janrinok> OK, give me a few minutes.
[17:44:10] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: back here!
[17:45:22] <mrcoolbp> okay
[17:45:43] <mrcoolbp> so did you see the convo with BlackHole and LaminatorX regarding a policy manual?
[17:46:07] <janrinok> nope I've been rather absent this last few days enjoying some time with Soph.
[17:46:20] <mrcoolbp> okay, let me forward you this email real quick
[17:46:26] <janrinok> OK
[17:49:00] <janrinok> which channel was it in - I can always go through the logs if you prefer?
[17:49:23] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: actually I just sent it
[17:50:04] <janrinok> to my SN email?
[17:50:10] <mrcoolbp> no, your personal
[17:50:13] <mrcoolbp> sorry
[17:50:22] <mrcoolbp> want me to re-send?
[17:50:26] <janrinok> ah - different computer - brb
[17:50:37] <mrcoolbp> = /
[17:52:09] <mrcoolbp> well basically I'd like to get a draft of "policy for staff" written, LamX provided the meat of the editorial section
[17:52:21] <janrinok> can you resend to janrinok at SN please - the other email takes up to 15 minutes to get here.
[17:52:29] <mrcoolbp> sure!
[17:53:01] * janrinok is not sure what the Russians do to it, other than slow it down!
[17:53:46] <janrinok> got it
[17:53:53] <mrcoolbp> nice, that was quick
[17:54:30] <janrinok> sry, I stand corrected, I _was_ part of that discussion. I thought that there might have been another one since then....
[17:54:39] <mrcoolbp> lol
[17:54:57] <mrcoolbp> anyway, any interest in helping me get this into a Policy Doc format?
[17:55:05] <janrinok> in fact I think most of the eds had in input.
[17:55:13] <mrcoolbp> I thought so
[17:55:14] <janrinok> Yeah sure
[17:55:53] <janrinok> do you want me to knock up a first draft and push it to you for comments?
[17:56:10] <mrcoolbp> sure, I'm going to try to work on the "rest of staff" section
[17:56:41] <janrinok> OK, it there a timescale - I have quite a few commitments with S over the next day or two.
[17:57:01] <janrinok> is there a timescale?*
[17:57:36] <mrcoolbp> janrinok, I'd like to try to get this done soon, but if you are busy I can work up the draft and have you do initial review before passing out to the rest of staff
[17:58:06] <mrcoolbp> ...for review and then bringing up for the for ratification after
[17:58:08] <janrinok> Let me put something together tonight - best effort but no masterpiece likely - sort of thing....
[17:58:37] <mrcoolbp> okay, if you don't get to it, let me know and I'll tackle I guess
[17:59:02] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: also this can be short/concise, we just want to have something on paper
[17:59:03] <janrinok> Is there a template for the 'Policy Doc' or do you just want words on paper?
[17:59:30] <janrinok> I'm going to have to start calling you Radar (MASH character!)
[18:00:17] <mrcoolbp> heh, I don't have a template yet, so let's keep it simple, we can always expand
[18:02:47] <janrinok> on it!
[18:02:52] <mrcoolbp> thanks!
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[18:07:54] <Blackmoore> question; Would you like me to resubmit the "focus fusion" articlae with less of an advertizement and more of a spin for discussion about fusion?
[18:08:32] <mrcoolbp> blackmoore: let me take a look
[18:09:04] <Blackmoore> the indygogo itself is over.
[18:33:16] <mrcoolbp> Blackmoore: sorry, wife just got home, was catching up, already looking at your submission
[18:35:25] <mrcoolbp> Blackmoore: http://soylentnews.org
[18:35:26] <monopoly> ^ 04SN article 03 Fusion Power by 2020 But Need Crowdfunding 04(30 comments):
[18:35:33] <mrcoolbp> it's a dupe, I'm gonna delete it
[18:37:47] <Blackmoore> that works too
[18:38:14] <mrcoolbp> sorry = )
[18:45:26] <Blackmoore> no big deal, I dont see every accepted article since I spend my weekends away from the computer.
[19:02:56] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: do you want my first draft by email?
[19:03:13] <mrcoolbp> sure, I'm working on a framework for the rest of the document
[19:03:27] <janrinok> ok will be a minute or two
[19:03:34] <mrcoolbp> sweet
[19:03:50] <mrcoolbp> let me send you what I have and we can switch
[19:04:41] <janrinok> OK, that solves me trying to find your email address on the other comp!
[19:04:50] <mrcoolbp> haha
[19:04:58] <mrcoolbp> mrcoolbp@soylentnews.org
[19:07:14] <janrinok> mine sent
[19:11:52] <mrcoolbp> First impression: hmm, lots of references to the Board of Directors, I'd rather have the board handling just the business/legal-end of things...
[19:13:20] <janrinok> Yeah - but I'm not sure who he _is_ responsible to.
[19:14:21] <janrinok> We need a term that covers the Team Leaders - if they are responsible for the day-to-day management and control of the site.
[19:15:47] <janrinok> For example, we discussed that editors might have to go 'above the head' of the EiC to resolve disputes etc. Who is 'above the head'?
[19:16:52] <mrcoolbp> yes, these things need to be decided
[19:22:01] <janrinok> brb - cup of tea time, and turn S over to her other side!
[19:22:17] <mrcoolbp> Haha
[19:27:34] <janrinok> back again
[19:29:32] <mrcoolbp> yay!
[19:29:38] * mrcoolbp is doing 4 things at once again
[19:29:39] <janrinok> Thoughts. All the team leaders could be termed the 'Management', 'SoylentNews Committee', 'Team Leaders Committee' - none sound quite right....
[19:29:58] <mrcoolbp> janrinok, let's skip that part for now, I'll keep reading
[19:30:09] * janrinok things mrcoolbp is a very busy man...
[19:51:40] <janrinok> bbl - 10 mins
[19:57:34] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: I gotta go shopping, be back in 1hr
[20:40:36] <janrinok> gtg - see you guys tomorrow
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