#editorial | Logs for 2014-07-10

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[03:51:17] <BlackHole> NCommander, I saw that the candidate just posted a comment in reply to yours.
[03:51:26] <BlackHole> NCommander: http://soylentnews.org
[03:51:28] <monopoly> ^ 04SN comment by yankprintster (4225): Yeah, an article would be cool. There were only a few new questions I saw today, and I've running short on time today, so I might have to come back tomorrow to addre...
[03:52:14] <BlackHole> NCommander, he comments: "We can do whatever works best with your newly drafted interview policies."
[03:53:14] * BlackHole is working furiously to draft some policy ideas as per our meeting yesterday, and would be very happy for any and all input :)
[03:54:21] * BlackHole is also drafting an email to his opponents, and will think carefully if it makes sense before sending...
[03:56:18] <BlackHole> anyway, here is an open invite for anyone to leave any comments/suggestions about this here. i will be sure to read the scrollback later.
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[15:32:12] <zizban> UK Parliament story done if anyone wants to look it over.
[15:59:14] <zizban> Jehovah's Witness story done
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[16:21:54] <Woods> Zizban: Ping
[16:21:58] <zizban> Png
[16:22:58] <Woods> The second paragraph of "UK Parliament Set ..." looks weird, maybe it is just the regional speech, but can you take another look at it? I am not sure how it should be fixed.
[16:23:14] <Woods> "The unheard speed of passing this legislation is almost guaranteed by support of the three main political parties in the UK parliament."
[16:25:32] <zizban> See, that reads OK to me
[16:27:09] <mrcoolbp> zizban: looking at the 10billion Google suit
[16:27:14] <zizban> thanks
[16:27:23] <zizban> that one was trickier than I thought it would be
[16:27:53] <mrcoolbp> zizban: was there supposed to be another link in the Jehova's witness story?
[16:28:06] <zizban> No, just to the lawsuit itself
[16:28:27] <mrcoolbp> zizban then what is the blockquote quoting?
[16:28:34] <mrcoolbp> also typo: "edollars"
[16:28:40] <mrcoolbp> Woods: ^
[16:29:00] <zizban> It is quoting the submitter. I thought it looked better
[16:29:15] <mrcoolbp> zizban, the "quote" should be from the story
[16:29:21] <Woods> Mrcoolbp: edollars are not a thing?
[16:29:32] <mrcoolbp> Woods: don't think so = )
[16:29:33] <zizban> Oh OK. I have done this before to make it look better
[16:30:19] <mrcoolbp> zizban: I could be wrong to say that is incorrect, I don't think it's codified anywhere exactly
[16:30:36] <mrcoolbp> zizban: but when I see a "quote" i tend to think it's from the story we are linking to
[16:30:42] <zizban> Not a big deal. Whatever you think is correct is fine
[16:30:58] * mrcoolbp edits
[16:32:10] <zizban> Thanks
[16:32:56] <mrcoolbp> zizban no prob
[16:33:19] <Woods> I believe Mrcoolbp is correct on the "Only blockquoting articles" bit
[16:33:27] <mrcoolbp> zizban: one thing we kinda decided early on that is different from TOS is that we don't surround "everything" in quotes
[16:33:35] <zizban> OK, works for me
[16:33:35] <Woods> And I also think it is not written, but I believe Lammy said it to me one day.
[16:33:54] <mrcoolbp> on TOS it was always quoted that way zizban, so I see your thinking
[16:34:04] <mrcoolbp> sec
[16:34:32] <mrcoolbp> "The colon and structure signifies the following text is the summary, and quotes are not necessary surrounding the entire text."
[16:35:28] <mrcoolbp> we found it weird first quoting the submitter, then often quoting an article within that quote, then if there's another quote in the article....anyway it got messy we found
[16:35:36] <zizban> Ok, I see that
[16:35:45] <mrcoolbp> cool, cool.
[16:35:59] * mrcoolbp gets of his high horse
[16:36:05] <Woods> Zizban, that sentence I mentioned looks fine to you? I still cannot understand it.
[16:36:11] <zizban> Yes it
[16:36:22] <zizban> does
[16:36:48] <mrcoolbp> Woods: I'm good with it
[16:36:53] * mrcoolbp goes to read it in context
[16:37:17] <Woods> Dang it, I guess my brain is broken today then.
[16:38:30] <mrcoolbp> Woods: it is definitely a bit odd, but it works
[16:38:56] <zizban> Cool
[16:39:02] <Woods> I just need to step back a bit or something, I simply cannot grasp it. But if you guys think it is fine, I trust you.
[16:40:38] <mrcoolbp> Woods: "What's the Best Current Bittorrent Client" should that have a "?" at the end?
[16:41:16] <Woods> I could see it either way, but I suppose since it IS an ask question, it should
[16:41:18] <Woods> My mistake
[16:42:04] <mrcoolbp> Woods: want me to fix?
[16:42:13] <Woods> Go for it
[16:42:29] * mrcoolbp presses "Update"
[16:44:16] * zizban waits for the world to end
[16:44:46] * mrcoolbp looks at his watch
[16:44:50] <mrcoolbp> I think we're good.
[16:44:56] * zizban sighs in releif
[16:44:59] <mrcoolbp> = )
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[17:04:11] <janrinok> hi guys
[17:05:52] <n1> hi janrinok
[17:06:15] <janrinok> hi n1 - how's things?
[17:07:06] <n1> things are ok. how about for yourself?
[17:07:28] <janrinok> not a good day - but thing's will hopefully get better....
[17:08:27] <n1> I hope so too :(
[17:08:44] <janrinok> thx
[17:11:25] <janrinok> Have you seen the rants of the new commenter/submitter? Apparently he's come from the other site, where he is well known (but not well respected I suspect).
[17:11:37] <janrinok> APK is his nick
[17:13:25] <janrinok> His 'writing style' is unique, to put it mildly...
[17:17:52] <zizban> I remember him!
[17:18:11] <janrinok> You say that with excitement because...?
[17:18:32] <zizban> not excitement, surprise
[17:18:48] <zizban> as "I was hoping he wouldn't show up here"
[17:19:15] <janrinok> gotcha!
[17:19:29] <janrinok> ...well he has - and made a submission.
[17:19:57] <n1> oh
[17:20:01] <n1> i saw a submission from APK
[17:20:07] <n1> and i walked away slowly...
[17:20:12] <janrinok> I ran..
[17:20:18] <n1> heh
[17:20:31] <janrinok> I've marked it appropriately
[17:20:31] <n1> was he/she on the old site?
[17:20:53] <janrinok> so some other commenters have said - but its not a nick that I know.
[17:21:26] <n1> it sounds familiar but most 3 letter combinations do.
[17:22:22] <janrinok> His 'contact' is a website (start64.com) which I don't think is his. It's readable - unlike most of the other stuff he seems to write.
[17:23:22] <janrinok> anyway zizban - how's things with you
[17:23:37] <zizban> Fine. Day off today because I am working camp this weekend
[17:24:07] <janrinok> OK, I remember our discussion about it lol. 2 weeks is it, that you are away?
[17:24:45] <zizban> On and off about two weeks. I worked camp tuesday, back at school wed, camp this weekend, back at school Mon
[17:25:11] <janrinok> Is that a good way of doing it, or does the changing make it difficult?
[17:26:54] <zizban> Makes it harder because I come back to work exhausted and behind on paperwork
[17:28:11] <janrinok> sry to hear that, but I hope overall you enjoy the next couple of weeks.
[17:28:44] <zizban> Thanks. Camp is fine. Looking forward to tomorrow.
[17:29:10] <janrinok> the weather is good, I take it?
[17:29:46] <zizban> Awesome!
[17:30:06] <janrinok> There is at least 1 redeeming feature then....
[17:30:39] <mrcoolbp> hi janrinok!
[17:30:50] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: Hi how's things?
[17:31:13] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: f-ing uber buys (can't overstate this) but also freakin' awesome!
[17:31:22] <mrcoolbp> buys = busy
[17:31:43] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: had our first board-meeting of SN PBC
[17:31:51] <mrcoolbp> setup paypall already
[17:31:55] <mrcoolbp> er paypal
[17:32:06] <janrinok> good to hear. I tried to link up with NC a night or two back but he was having a meeting with Matt (blackhole) in meatspace.
[17:32:10] <mrcoolbp> Going to setup the bank account today with BlackHole
[17:32:31] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: I find that meeting nearly impossible
[17:32:57] <mrcoolbp> Matt is in MA, NCommander is in AK (3ish thousand miles apart)
[17:33:22] <janrinok> I thought for you guys that was almost neighbours?
[17:33:39] <mrcoolbp> 3K miles!?!
[17:33:43] <mrcoolbp> oh I get it, a
[17:33:46] <mrcoolbp> US joke
[17:33:57] <janrinok> lol
[17:34:10] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: anything I can help with?
[17:35:06] <janrinok> I've tried drafting a new bit in the wiki regarding the need for submissions from the community. It's not right yet, but when it is I would like you to but it into the appropriate section.
[17:35:29] * zizban can't wait for his SN PBC employee badge
[17:35:44] <janrinok> I'm getting tired of having to explain to people that we need submissions. I would like to be able to link to the wiki to explain how the system is _meant_ to work.
[17:36:02] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: I'll gladly help, but you are missing a verb in that first sentence after "I would like you to" = )
[17:36:15] <janrinok> #put* not but
[17:36:27] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: I see whatcha mean, could that go in the FAQ as well?
[17:36:28] <zizban> Someone should write up an example submission to put in the wiki
[17:36:40] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: there's a blurb about it, but we could expand on that
[17:37:07] <mrcoolbp> I nominate zizban for that task = )
[17:37:21] <zizban> mrcoolbp: did see the one submission I did? Oy.
[17:37:31] <janrinok> I need something that explains how a community site works, why we need people to submit, and why it is not the editors who should be looking for stories but the community. All without offending anyone...
[17:37:32] * zizban still cringes at the memory
[17:37:51] <mrcoolbp> zizban: negative, link me
[17:38:01] <zizban> Oh it was fixed and posted
[17:38:16] <zizban> but trust me, I wont be submitting anything again for a _long_time
[17:38:21] <mrcoolbp> janrionk: maybe putting that on the FAQ would be more "visible?"
[17:38:28] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: the wiki isn't used a whole lot
[17:38:30] <janrinok> Yeah there are guidelines, but nothing that tells people that _they_ are our reporters. Many seem to think it is the editors who should be searching for stories.
[17:39:05] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: I'm with ya, I get what your saying, but is the wiki the best place for it?
[17:39:19] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: sure throw it up there
[17:39:20] <janrinok> Rather than have to write a paragraph each time someone asks the same question, I just want to be able to point to a link.
[17:39:28] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: yeah
[17:39:46] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: maybe we should throw it up on the about page or the faq as well
[17:39:50] <janrinok> Anyway, I'm working on it - where it finally goes we can decide later.
[17:39:54] <mrcoolbp> okay
[17:40:03] <mrcoolbp> let me know, I'll gladly take a look
[17:40:17] <mrcoolbp> you've always checked/improved my writeups
[17:40:21] <mrcoolbp> least I can do
[17:40:32] <janrinok> I've put it in the discussion page for the Guidelines, the main page is locked.
[17:40:59] <mrcoolbp> janrionok: hmm lemme look
[17:41:37] <janrinok> zizban: It wasn't _that_ bad. The slashcode ate your formatting but the content was mainly there...
[17:41:45] <zizban> heh
[17:42:49] <mrcoolbp> janrionk: it's "Allow autoconfirmed users" maybe you didn't confirm your wiki account?
[17:43:05] <mrcoolbp> the wiki maing page ^
[17:43:09] <janrinok> I also think that an example submission is to restrictive. The format changes depending on source material and what is already in the submission. There are several ways that one could write the same story each in compliance with the guidelines.
[17:43:14] <janrinok> too*
[17:43:17] <zizban> Right
[17:43:41] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: I was logged in as my usual self but it wouldn't let me edit.
[17:43:51] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: absolutely, lamx suggested putting in some more examples (or was that you?)
[17:44:04] <janrinok> not me
[17:44:12] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: I'll unlock it and relock it after you edit
[17:44:37] <janrinok> Leave it as is for now, I'll play with the wording and let you know when I'm ready.
[17:44:42] <mrcoolbp> sure
[17:44:47] <mrcoolbp> there's always the sandbox
[17:44:53] <janrinok> true
[17:45:42] <mrcoolbp> just copy/pasta the section you are working on
[17:45:51] <janrinok> I was also chatting yesterday and several people mentioned that there was no point in submitting stories while there were 30+ in the queue. I had to do a clear out for stories that were not going to make the grade.
[17:46:16] <zizban> Good idea
[17:46:55] <mrcoolbp> janrionk: as editors we are tempted not to reject submissions
[17:47:04] <janrinok> We would like a pool of good stories to pick from, but some submitters feel that they are wasting their time if the pool is too big.
[17:47:28] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: agreed, but these were spam, missing links, overcome by events etc.
[17:47:36] <mrcoolbp> zizban, janrinok: if we pass over a story, maybe put a note, then the next person has to either post or reject?
[17:47:53] <mrcoolbp> janrionk: hmmm
[17:48:06] <zizban> OK
[17:48:11] <zizban> where do we put the note?
[17:48:26] <mrcoolbp> ug, I need to make some graphics that point to this stuff
[17:48:38] <janrinok> Well I already make the notes part, and LamX has suggested that we no longer inform submitters when we reject a story, so I'm not sure that it will change things much.
[17:48:52] <mrcoolbp> !todo make helpful graphics for editing interface
[17:48:52] <Bender> todo item 11 added
[17:48:58] <zizban> I was never informed when a story was rejected
[17:49:10] <zizban> its fine on a small site but if we get bigger, oh my
[17:49:30] <janrinok> I've sent out dozens of rejections, and normally received another submission within days..
[17:50:02] <janrinok> zizban: we want a messaging system that we can use to members - its on the list but not a high priority.
[17:50:10] <mrcoolbp> janrionk: I meant we make a new rule something like: "If thou passes on a story, thou must make a note, if thou encounters a story with a note that contains 'pass' thou must either posteth said story, or thou must rejecteth!"
[17:50:10] <zizban> ah
[17:50:33] <zizban> mrcoolbp: though makesth sense-th
[17:50:33] <janrinok> I'm happy to give that a try
[17:51:01] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: we should probably run that by lamX but yeah, it would help
[17:51:07] <zizban> But happens if I browse a submission but dont have to time to post it?
[17:51:24] <n1> i pass on stories generally because i'm not versed enough in the subject to know if it's news or interesting
[17:51:49] <zizban> sometimes I even look at submission but cant edit for various reasons
[17:51:50] <janrinok> and some stories I skip because I haven't the technical competence to decide whether its good or bullshit
[17:51:57] <n1> ^
[17:52:14] <zizban> It's a good idea, it just needs to be worked out
[17:52:24] <janrinok> Some that I thought were good have been laughed at by people with more expertise than I have.
[17:52:29] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: I only ever rejected one sotry...and it led to this
[17:52:29] <mrcoolbp> http://soylentnews.org
[17:52:30] <monopoly> ^ 04SN journal 03 SoylentNews Uses Pseudo Science Sources Editorially 04(4 comments): I received and article rejection from the SoylentNews Editorial Staff with the following letter: *********************** Hi, Just wanted to let you know that w...
[17:52:44] <mrcoolbp> anyway, I don't reject stories anymore....
[17:53:08] <mrcoolbp> maybe once a story recieves 2 passes?
[17:53:19] <zizban> Two passes would work
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[17:54:04] <janrinok> I like the thrust of this but I can still see a few hurdles with specialist subjects. Might have to think some more on this tonight.
[17:54:12] <zizban> I agree
[17:54:29] <janrinok> I've got to go - sry - but SO calls and she must be obeyed!
[17:54:39] <zizban> ha ha cya
[17:54:47] <janrinok> cul8r
[17:54:52] janrinok is now known as janrinok|afk
[17:58:43] <mrcoolbp> love that guy
[18:00:48] <zizban> we all do
[18:04:21] <mrcoolbp> zizban: maybe adding to my rule "Unless thou encouters a specialist subject, thou must seek out a specialist"
[18:04:30] <zizban> I like that
[18:04:34] <mrcoolbp> anyway, my point is that we need to not leave them sitting
[18:04:59] <mrcoolbp> people have complained about time-in-queue without rejection before
[18:05:26] <zizban> Have they? Oh
[18:05:41] <mrcoolbp> but they can complain about anything I've noticed = )
[18:05:48] <zizban> Whats up with that IT vendor story thats been there since 6/30
[18:06:54] <mrcoolbp> let's make a call now
[18:07:17] <zizban> kill it
[18:08:43] <mrcoolbp> agreed
[18:09:06] <zizban> cool
[18:09:18] <mrcoolbp> if there's a reason it's being saved, there should be a note
[18:09:58] <zizban> Absolutely
[18:12:16] <mrcoolbp> hmmm
[18:12:25] <mrcoolbp> http://wiki.soylentnews.org doesn't have a part about rejecting at all
[18:12:26] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03Editing Process: Parent: Editors Team
[18:12:53] <mrcoolbp> I think you just hit "delete"
[18:12:58] <mrcoolbp> lemme check
[18:13:16] <zizban> That would be my guess
[18:15:08] <mrcoolbp> yup
[18:15:18] <mrcoolbp> zizban: do the honors would ya = )
[18:15:22] <zizban> OK
[18:15:53] <zizban> I am happy to get fired first :)
[18:15:55] <zizban> all done
[18:16:35] <mrcoolbp> Oh we're in this together man
[18:16:53] <zizban> LOL cool
[18:18:43] <mrcoolbp> okay, gotta hop in the shower
[18:21:33] <zizban> cya
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[19:36:43] <janrinok> hi n1
[19:37:13] <n1> hi janrinok
[19:37:24] * n1 was just ranting elsewhere
[19:37:38] <janrinok> Pity I had to leave before - that was developing into an interesting discussion
[19:37:47] <janrinok> Did you enjoy your rant?
[19:38:21] <n1> not really, CYNK + UK Snoopers law doesn't leave a pleasant taste, even after ranting
[19:39:04] <n1> or other reading which means apparently EU is encouraging to do like Cyprus, and seize savings accounts to keep banks running.
[19:39:32] <janrinok> I haven't seen that last one... Where is that?
[19:40:35] <n1> http://www.marketwatch.com
[19:40:36] <monopoly> ^ 03Germany OKs plan to make creditors prop up banks - MarketWatch: BERLIN--Germany's cabinet Wednesday approved plans to force creditors into propping up struggling banks beginning in 2015, one year earlier than required under Europe...
[19:40:44] <n1> http://www.zerohedge.com
[19:40:44] <janrinok> thx
[19:40:46] <monopoly> ^ 03New Laws That Allow The Government to Seize Savings Deposits During a Crisis | Zero Hedge: Behind the veneer of “all is well” being promoted by both world Governments and the Mainstream Media, the political elite have begun implementing legislation that...
[19:42:11] <n1> i say apparently because these things are never written in the clearest of language, so it may or may not be true
[19:42:12] <janrinok> ..and they wonder why the UK doesn't want to be in th eurozone!
[19:42:17] <n1> and we wont know until they actually do it
[19:42:27] <n1> because im sure 'thats not the intention with this legislation'
[19:42:33] <n1> even if they leave the door wide open for it
[19:42:50] <n1> well, the zerohedge article notes
[19:42:59] <n1> "If you think this couldn’t happen elsewhere you are wrong. Canada, New Zealand and even the UK and US have proposed similar measures. The next time stuff hits the fan, savings will be on the hook, not the Central Banks."
[19:43:46] <janrinok> I don't think that the Snoopers' Charter is as bad as first feared, although I don't like any loss of privacy at all. This is mainly giving a legal basis for the requirement that already exists on ISP and telcos - they were threatening to delete data if no legal support was forthcoming.
[19:44:07] <janrinok> However, the fact that it has to be debated in FULL in Parliament is a good move.
[19:44:17] <n1> afaik
[19:44:23] <n1> the bill isnt available to be read
[19:44:49] <janrinok> The world is becomming very sucky of late
[19:45:37] <n1> i think it's always been this sucky, it's just easier to find out about it, we're connected now
[19:45:51] <n1> but it might all get better, when we no longer have a free internet
[19:45:58] <n1> information control will make things feel so much better
[19:46:10] <janrinok> I'm reading about the second US spy being asked to leave Germany - the Americans do not appear to be learning on this topic, do they?
[19:46:32] <n1> cynical me thinks this is just PR for the german government
[19:46:48] <n1> 'look how we're standing up to the americans'
[19:47:08] <janrinok> could be, although being sent home from a dip post does have ramifications, so it is not usually done lightly.
[19:48:46] <n1> true
[19:48:53] <n1> i still dont see it meaning anything really
[19:49:00] <n1> nothing is going to change as a result
[19:49:35] <janrinok> nope - things don't look their brightest at tyhe
[19:49:42] <janrinok> at the moment do they?
[19:50:13] * janrinok decides hitting the Enter key prematurely is the worst possible typo....
[19:50:22] <n1> more motivations to get out of the city for me
[19:51:44] <janrinok> I'm just glad that I have retired.
[19:51:47] <n1> well, get out of the country really.
[19:52:04] <n1> yeah, glad to be out of it i hope.
[19:52:22] <janrinok> Where would you go that you believe is any better - different maybe, but better?
[19:53:32] <n1> i like the idea of Portugal, maybe not better but different.
[19:53:54] <n1> Very much sick of London attitudes, everything is big money, everything needs to be done last week.
[19:54:56] <n1> i'd like to go back to Australia, not for the government because they're just as bad there, but the culture is better outside that.
[19:54:58] <janrinok> Certainly a better pace of life, and better weather. I lived in Gib for 3 years - brilliant in many ways but I personally wouldn't want to stay there forever. Surprisingly lots of corruption (low level) and very hard to be accepted.
[19:55:38] <janrinok> Aus is good, I choose somewhere remote if it wasn't for Soph.
[19:55:49] <n1> i think i'll always be transient, but i'd like somewhere to go back to sometimes.
[19:55:59] <janrinok> But we would have to be fairly near to a city or major medical facilities.
[19:56:48] <n1> i spent most of a year in Melbourne, and it was the best time of my life, attitudes and life is just different.
[19:57:10] <janrinok> Its hard for us to go to a new country now - they don't want to accept the incumbent medical costs without a huge contribution from me. So we either stay here or return to UK. And, at the moment, here is winning hands down.
[19:57:23] <n1> Yeah, stay where you are, i would.
[19:57:41] <n1> I'd take France over here too.
[19:57:48] <janrinok> I bet Melbourne was fun - I would like to be able to give that a look-see
[19:59:02] <n1> Portugal just seems good to me, but i think i'd be just as happy in Spain or even France. Some of the logic behind the desire for a different way of life, is that it's not unreasonable to commute to London.
[19:59:39] <n1> So i can work here when I have to, and it's not a major problem, just a long drive and a ferry crossing.
[20:00:39] <janrinok> I hated commuting - not that I ever had to do for any significant period.
[20:01:03] <janrinok> It was like the London version of Harry Potter's Dementors!
[20:01:05] <n1> I wouldn't want to do it all the time, but i could come up for a week or two as things require.
[20:01:08] <n1> lol
[20:01:30] <n1> after working in central london for a couple years, where a mile can take an hour, i think i can handle it.
[20:01:58] <n1> paying more in petrol and parking than i was earning each day...
[20:02:31] <janrinok> One of the happiest times of my career was when my office was in a cockpit. Absolutely brilliant. Work hard, concentrate on the job in hand, but forget the real world.
[20:02:51] <n1> I can understand that, focus on the task, there is nothing else to focus on.
[20:03:15] <janrinok> ... I suppose dropping bombs makes one like that...
[20:03:50] <n1> I'd imagine so, can't think about anything else at that point.
[20:04:47] <n1> not dropping bombs, but i think most people would like that, but there are so many external forces at work in most occupations, you can't just focus on one thing and get it done, move onto the next
[20:05:23] <janrinok> I think we have a good bunch of eds at the moment - I'm actually enjoying coming on the site each day.
[20:06:07] <n1> yeah, we seem to be doing pretty good. not so much pressure, i dont see an empty queue every time i look anymore :D
[20:06:28] <janrinok> agreed - I'm not frightened to look any more!
[20:07:31] <n1> i took the time the other day to actually just read the site, and it was a pleasant experience reading summaries and comments, not as an editor.
[20:07:46] <janrinok> yeah - I did that too!
[20:10:06] <n1> was also shocked to see over 30 submissions in the queue, which obviously caused it's own issues as noted in the previous discussion
[20:10:15] <janrinok> I've just taken a second look at the submission from APK - and decided that I cannot face that tonight, it will have to wait until tomorrow.
[20:10:46] <n1> i might try tonight, might need a drink to help heh
[20:10:57] <janrinok> I'd need a bloody bottle full!
[20:11:05] <n1> lol
[20:11:51] <janrinok> Did you get caught in the various showers that seem to have hit the SE this afternoon?
[20:12:17] <janrinok> or were you watching strikers from your window?
[20:12:20] <n1> can't say ive seen any rain today, walked to PC World and didnt get caught.
[20:13:01] <janrinok> well I was told by a meteorologist - so that explains that report.
[20:13:23] <n1> tuesday and wednesday i got rained on and the dog was freaking out about thunder she could here miles away.
[20:14:10] <janrinok> we've got showers forecast for tomorrow with lots of sunny spells in between. I'll just wait and see what happens.
[20:14:45] <n1> i had dinner with my mum the other day, before she went back to the island. she wants a 'weather stone'.
[20:15:03] <janrinok> lol - I've seen one of them before!
[20:15:31] <n1> i thought it was a great idea
[20:15:51] <janrinok> gets a laugh from everyone who sees it
[20:16:19] <n1> she's going to make one, so next time i go to the island it should be working lol
[20:17:05] <janrinok> I think you have to calibrate it first - :)
[20:17:36] <n1> she's going to have to figure that out, dont think they're designed for tropical conditions lol
[20:18:09] <n1> where it's either hot, raining, or hurricane
[20:18:42] <janrinok> that is still 3 settings to be calibrated before you can be _sure_ it is correct.
[20:19:49] <n1> could end up being the national weather service
[20:20:09] <janrinok> lol - with its own 5 minute slot on TV!
[20:21:46] <janrinok> Are you old enough to remember the 'p[o
[20:21:59] <janrinok> 'potter's wheel' on TV?
[20:22:23] <n1> not thay i can recall
[20:22:26] <n1> that*
[20:23:45] <janrinok> Early days - to fill time they would show a short clip of someone using a potter's wheel, changing a lump of clay into a different shaped lump of clay. They thought people would enjoy watching that rather than a blank screen. The stone could easily become famous in a slot like that...
[20:23:59] <n1> i just found it on youtube.
[20:24:33] <n1> yeah, that would work heh
[20:24:49] <n1> at night when there's no shows on, you can have live weather reports with constant updates
[20:24:57] <n1> so there's no dead time or repeats at all
[20:25:05] <janrinok> Some were successful - others left you trying to work out what it was supposed to be. Especially if they cut the clip short.
[20:25:30] <janrinok> You'd need to have someone holding a torch pointing at the stone....
[20:25:43] <n1> probably someone in the basement BBC HQ who didnt actually know how to make anything...
[20:26:23] <janrinok> I wonder if anyone every admits to being that 'potter'?
[20:27:14] <n1> would be good pub trivia
[20:27:41] <janrinok> invaluable knowledge for winning pints off mates...
[20:29:12] <janrinok> brb - cup of tea time
[20:29:19] <n1> good idea
[20:29:22] <n1> i should think about dinner
[20:30:25] <janrinok> any ideas?
[20:31:20] <n1> well, i have some 'kentucky bbq' sausages from yesterday
[20:31:50] <janrinok> good start
[20:32:27] <n1> they're quite large too, i went overboard yesterday, had 2 of them with mash, beans and some breaded spicy prawns
[20:33:16] <janrinok> Hey, we had bangers and mash yesterday too. With a nice thick onion gravy and peas. I like the sound of you spicy prawns though.
[20:33:44] <n1> now thats a good meal.
[20:34:06] <Woods> Janrinok: Bangers and mash?
[20:34:19] <n1> bangers=sausages
[20:34:35] <Woods> Ah, mashed potatoes then?
[20:34:43] <n1> bangers+mash+onion gravy+peas=british pub food
[20:34:51] <n1> indeed!
[20:34:54] <Woods> Aahhhh
[20:35:03] <Woods> Sounds tasty
[20:35:16] <janrinok> The 'old' sausages were made with real pig gut skins. If you didn't prick them before you cooked them they would more than likely explode. They became known as 'bangers'.
[20:35:28] <n1> from what janrinok has said before, i'm always going to be jealous, after detailing the home made curry with all the extras
[20:35:54] <janrinok> Once a week - we have a curry of some sort or other.
[20:36:09] <n1> like a true brit :p
[20:36:28] <janrinok> Woods: what's your favourite food?
[20:37:16] <Woods> Bangers makes sense now. Favorite food, hmmm....
[20:37:39] <Woods> There is a regional place in the states called Chipotle that makes fantastic burritos, that has been my favorite of late.
[20:38:30] <paulej72> hello all
[20:38:40] <janrinok> Hi paulej72 - have you been away?
[20:38:42] <n1> chipotle, of south park fame?
[20:38:51] <n1> hey paulej72
[20:39:26] <Woods> n1: Yes, though their claims of undue affects are exaggerated.
[20:39:41] <janrinok> I make tortillas from time to time, but I don't make burritos - I must try that sometime.
[20:39:47] <paulej72> yes. I had all this week of, but I spent the last 3 days at my place in Pennsylvania. I do not have internet access there so I was basically offline
[20:39:48] <n1> South Park, exaggerate? I am shocked!
[20:40:21] <janrinok> Well welcome back - we _did_ miss you, or at least notice that you were missing....
[20:41:20] <janrinok> I remember you telling us about your place - I was very envious, still am!
[20:41:22] <n1> good to have you back paulej72.... i meant to ask you, in response to a comment you made on the site a while ago about web browsers...
[20:41:39] <n1> If you wern't stuck on FF, what would you be using?
[20:45:37] <paulej72> n1: I use safari on my one mac at work as my primary and I also use IE a lot a work. Have Chrome to use for one business function at work. A friend and I mad a Chrome plugin that made a table out of a plain text output of systeme that we use to register our mac address for DHCP service.
[20:46:42] <paulej72> So out of all of them, they all suck in one way or another. I hate the minimalilstic way all ofht current browsers are going is not my cup of tea.
[20:46:49] <n1> only way i'll be using a mac is with a gun to my head ;)
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[20:49:20] <n1> so the solution to browsers, is to use all of them?
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[20:50:33] <paulej72> yes as I do when I am developing. I have FF, Safari and Chrome all open.
[20:50:36] <janrinok> I'm back - but I'll never know the answer to the question re browser
[20:51:19] <n1> lol
[20:51:23] <n1> basically, they all suck.
[20:51:27] <paulej72> http://logs.sylnt.us
[20:51:28] <monopoly> ^ 03#editorial | Logs for 2014-07-10
[20:51:33] <n1> so use all of them for what works at the time.
[20:51:53] <janrinok> thx paulej72 - I was just being lazy
[20:52:01] <paulej72> ;)
[20:52:39] <n1> janrinok, regarding the 'linked to the old site' submission
[20:52:58] <n1> the submitter appears to be the same person and the source is included in the old site story.
[20:54:29] <janrinok> Yes, but he didn't go to much effort and we know that the story has _already_ been covered by them. By the way, we got quite a few stories out ahead of them over the last 5 or 6 days.
[20:55:27] <n1> yeah, i wasn't sure what to do with it, not going to run it?
[20:56:14] <n1> thats good at least, being days behind isnt ideal, but as i dont check the old site anymore, i wouldn't know.
[20:56:19] <janrinok> well to me, it doesn't shout out as something to grab my attention. It's probably correct - but I can't see anything special about it.
[20:56:21] <n1> and comments seem to have stopped on that front.
[20:57:37] <janrinok> I've got a link that shows be story headers from the other site - just so that I can try to spot the obvious dupes.
[21:05:26] <janrinok> n1: what did you decide for dinner?
[21:06:21] <n1> sausages, potato wedges and my special sweetcorn recipe
[21:06:40] <janrinok> lovely - I'll be round shortly...
[21:07:14] <janrinok> Actually, I would rather like to be able to do that, bearing beers of course...
[21:08:04] <n1> yeah, it would be nice especially bearing beers!
[21:09:12] <n1> i've still got my eye on a trip to your corner of france ;)
[21:09:19] <janrinok> Do you realise, that all the eds could be standing near to each other in any given place, and we probably wouldn't know it!
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[21:09:41] <janrinok> n1 - anytime.
[21:09:44] <janrinok> Hi Azrael
[21:10:03] <Azrael> yoyo
[21:10:13] <n1> hey Azrael
[21:10:36] <janrinok> how's things az?
[21:10:54] <Azrael> hey n1
[21:11:11] <Azrael> things are muddling along over here, how're you janrinok? and how's n1 ?
[21:11:40] <n1> muddling along sounds about right
[21:12:15] <janrinok> things have been better, but perhaps it'll all improve tomorrow :)
[21:12:32] <n1> i am going to make dinner now, so it'll be ready in about 30 minutes, janrinok ;)
[21:13:08] <janrinok> Ok - I'm going to watch Mock the Week at 10 o'clock your time
[21:14:51] <n1> mock the week... i expected better from you!
[21:15:29] <janrinok> I will probably laugh myself silly - its a release valve!
[21:16:22] <n1> yeah, i get that - it's not a bad show really.
[21:17:22] <Azrael> bon apetit n1
[21:17:54] <janrinok> n1: when you say 'make dinner' - do you mean switch the microwave on?
[21:22:04] <janrinok> Azrael: what have you been up to, anything interesting?
[21:23:07] <Azrael> janrinok: going to work, then going home again ;)
[21:23:24] <janrinok> yup, sorry to hear that.
[21:26:02] <n1> janrinok, more like the oven!
[21:26:10] <n1> microwave is for lunch ;)
[21:26:22] <janrinok> sry chef...
[21:26:39] <n1> when i did work in a kitchen though, there was a lot of 'premium' stuff
[21:26:44] <n1> that came in frozen and just needed nuking
[21:26:53] <n1> curries people were paying £10 for
[21:27:21] <janrinok> So a good mark-up on things like that then?
[21:27:53] <n1> dont know what the costs were, but one would think so
[21:28:02] <n1> i'd imagine they were under £2 wholesale
[21:28:45] <janrinok> Thursday is the one day of the week that I do not cook dinner. Thursday is pizza!
[21:28:50] <n1> it was good times for me though, agency chefs who didnt care, so i could cook and eat what i wanted
[21:29:03] <n1> eating food worth more than i was earning a shift
[21:29:11] <janrinok> lol
[21:29:27] <n1> i like cooking properly, if i dont have to clean up after.
[21:29:54] <n1> not home made pizza?
[21:31:31] <janrinok> Azrael: I like your comment on the Snooping Law - so many people don't understand what is actually happening, whereas in fact there have been some additional safeguards built in - although no doubt some sleight of hand will get round them.
[21:32:00] <n1> got it good now really, usually get a couple decent meals from friends and family during the week and the obligatory family sunday lunch.
[21:32:07] * n1 goes to read Azrael's comment
[21:33:29] <n1> sounds like another example of using the EU when it suits
[21:35:08] <n1> 'we have to follow eu rules... until we don't actually like it, then we can do it our own way' but while its in the interests of x to have legislation, we're powerless to do anything but what we're told by the EU
[21:35:18] <n1> much like how the US uses the UN.
[21:35:21] <janrinok> no, I can see understand how the situation arose - but I think it will still come back to bite them. The public are becoming more and more aware of what exactly had been done in their name, and many do not like it. There might still be some good battles to come. Putting after the election might be the first mistake. I one party says 'We will undo all of this' it might make an attractive platform slogan.
[21:35:51] <n1> I find it hard to believe any good battles are to come
[21:35:59] <n1> when Lab/Con/Lib are all singing the same tune
[21:36:00] <janrinok> Whether they actually _can_ undo it all is yet to be seen.
[21:37:25] <janrinok> They will not repeal everything but, for example, according to the BBC there have already been restriction placed upon local councils who have been using RIPA for their own ends. There is a clause in the new legislation that prevents much of this behaviour.
[21:37:47] <Azrael> janrinok: I have a slight advantage I guess that I've been dealing with this issue today :D
[21:37:57] <janrinok> .... although no-one is quoting the exact restriction...
[21:38:06] <n1> that's an interesting one
[21:38:21] <janrinok> No matter - your comment is all the more valuable then.
[21:38:53] <Azrael> I like my other comment, pointing to PPUK press release :D
[21:39:05] <n1> I think, "Termination clause ensuring these powers expire at the end of 2016"
[21:39:31] <n1> is interesting, wont even find its feet if it's going to end that quickly
[21:40:26] <Azrael> n1: it is basically a status quo law, to be replaced in a slightly less fast-track lgislation next session
[21:40:50] <n1> it doesn't seem as bad as it could be
[21:41:10] <n1> but it still has little bearing on GCHQ activities
[21:41:24] <janrinok> it makes what is already being done legal, tells the ISPs and Telcos not to worry, and gives everyone some time to think of where to go next. The LibDems could (if they are sharp enough) make a lot of ground by opposing bits of this in the debate to come.
[21:42:15] <Azrael> I hope LibDem party gets destroyed at next election - tis what they deserve
[21:42:23] <janrinok> The LibDems only gave it their support because they were given some concessions.
[21:42:39] <janrinok> But I think Az is right - it is too late for them.
[21:44:06] <janrinok> Originally, there were 3 topics taboo on the IRC chans that we were using. Sex, politics and religion. I don't know whether that has changed now we have our own IRC server...?
[21:44:28] <n1> i'm just going as long as we're respectful we should be allowed to talk
[21:44:30] <janrinok> ...But discussing the stories is fair game!
[21:44:40] <n1> if it's just trolling or abuse then thats different
[21:44:44] <janrinok> cul8r n1
[21:44:56] <n1> off now?
[21:44:59] <Azrael> janrinok: politics is certainly on-topic on my other irc network :D http://pirateirc.net
[21:45:00] <monopoly> ^ 03Pirate IRC Network: The Pirate IRC network is an IRC network for the Pirate Parties International. Its aim is to provide...
[21:45:03] <janrinok> sry I might have misread what you said...
[21:45:09] <n1> shamless promotion, Azrael :p
[21:45:14] <Azrael> :D
[21:45:21] <janrinok> but effective
[21:45:21] <n1> i'll hop over there in a bit
[21:45:25] <n1> indeed!
[21:45:32] <n1> foodings
[21:45:33] <n1> brb
[21:45:41] <janrinok> added it to my daily links.
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[21:57:10] <janrinok> hi BlackHole - how's things?
[21:57:37] <BlackHole> janrinok, hi! i just got back from meeting with mrcoolbp irl.
[21:57:47] <BlackHole> many eggrolls and much pizza was eaten :)
[21:58:02] <janrinok> lol
[21:58:08] <BlackHole> janrinok, how are you today?
[21:58:27] <janrinok> didn't you meet up with NC a day or two back or did I misunderstand?
[21:58:52] <janrinok> Not the best of days for me, but perhaps tomorrow will be better...
[21:59:18] <BlackHole> janrinok, that was a couple of weeks ago, when he was in the boston area.
[21:59:35] <janrinok> ah - misunderstanding on my part (again!)
[22:01:16] <BlackHole> no worries, if it was because of something i said, i may have been referring to the meeting in #staff on Tuesday...
[22:01:44] <janrinok> Ah probably that - but my fault as usual. (It's in my sig)
[22:02:14] <janrinok> so how did you and mrcoolbp fare?
[22:04:53] <janrinok> I do hope that this fall-off in submissions isn't the start of the w/e dead period....
[22:05:05] <n1> indeed
[22:05:12] <n1> we're going to struggle tomorrow if it is
[22:05:36] <BlackHole> janrinok, it went very well, i think. i showed him an email that i have drafted to invite the candidates opponents into the discussion :)
[22:05:38] <janrinok> If there are only a few subs I might make a few story subs myself instead
[22:06:00] <janrinok> BlackHole: excellent - I was hoping that that idea would gain traction
[22:06:56] <BlackHole> janrinok, also, we were thinking that it would be awesome to modify the "Site News" slashbox into a "Featured Articles and Site News" slashbox.
[22:07:12] <BlackHole> i'm not saying that Dwarf Fortress isn't the most important thing in the universe, but... ;)
[22:07:14] <janrinok> that gets my vote too
[22:07:36] <BlackHole> cool!
[22:07:41] <janrinok> DF is a rather niche topic, I'm not sure it should be front page all the time
[22:13:36] <paulej72> there already is a featured article slashbox it just needs turned on and populated.
[22:13:51] <janrinok> paulej72: even better news!
[22:14:33] <chromas> You guys mentioned APK
[22:14:35] <chromas> Alexander Peter Kowalski
[22:14:57] <janrinok> Is he famous/infamous on the other site?
[22:15:43] <paulej72> infamous for his off topic host file rants
[22:15:49] <chromas> He usually have long posts about using gigantic hosts files and links to his other comments
[22:16:08] <chromas> http://www.thorschrock.com
[22:16:08] <janrinok> I thought that it would be something like that - well he's here now
[22:16:10] <monopoly> ^ 03 How to Respond When People Threaten to Sue You on the Web: Alexander Peter Kowalski expresses his frustration that COmputer Associates and Schrock Innovations have classified his silent backgroung pinhg utility as
[22:17:44] <janrinok> he has quite a few entries on Google too, with pictures.
[22:19:59] <janrinok> He's made a submission that we are all tiptoeing around - it looks like he is batshit crazy.
[22:20:33] <janrinok> Novel use of capital letters too...
[22:21:59] <BlackHole> wow.
[22:22:58] <BlackHole> maybe this is a case where you should write your own brief summary to the linked article, and include his as the first post?
[22:23:04] <janrinok> they ought to increase his meds.
[22:23:20] <chromas> Here's an example /. comment (warning: may take you to beta) http://it.slashdot.org
[22:23:21] <monopoly> ^ 03New Attack Uses Attackers' Own Ad Network To Deliver Android Malware - Slashdot: Trailrunner7 writes "The concept of malware riding shotgun with legitimate mobile apps is not a new one. There have been a slew of cases in which attackers have compr... ( http://slashdot.org )
[22:23:29] <janrinok> I get enough criticism as it is BlackHole - I'm not sure I'm up for that!
[22:23:50] <paulej72> don't accept the sub
[22:24:25] <BlackHole> janrinok, yeah, you're right.
[22:26:31] <janrinok> When he rants it is VERY hard to follow what he writes.
[22:27:21] <janrinok> We're not accepting the sub, but there might be some value in the story. I'm putting it off until tomorrow because at this time of night I don't fancy tackling it.
[22:30:17] * mrcoolbp is back
[22:30:24] <mrcoolbp> ug traffic on "the pike"
[22:30:24] <BlackHole> mrcollbp, hi!
[22:30:30] <janrinok> hi mrcoolbp
[22:30:37] <mrcoolbp> hiya!
[22:31:35] <janrinok> so I gather that you a stuffed full of pizza!?
[22:32:23] <mrcoolbp> avocado egg rolls. but yes
[22:32:52] <janrinok> sounds good anyway.
[22:33:44] <janrinok> BlackHole has been updating us - and paulej72 has confirmed that the Featured Articles box already exists but just needs turning on!
[22:33:57] <mrcoolbp> excellent
[22:34:12] <mrcoolbp> .voice BlackHole
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[22:36:30] <BlackHole> mrcoolbp, thanks!
[22:36:42] <mrcoolbp> = )
[22:37:14] <mrcoolbp> BlackHole: what would you like your address to be?
[22:40:08] <janrinok> well, I've got about 15 minutes left - any time critical topics for discussion?
[22:40:41] <mrcoolbp> BlackHole: ^
[22:41:26] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: make one up and see if he can guess it....
[22:41:36] <mrcoolbp> lol
[22:41:47] <mrcoolbp> !todo
[22:41:47] <Bender> todo for mrcoolbp: 1) revisit staff meetings 2) Get ball rollin' on a site-redesign (crowd-sourced contest-y thing) 3) make sure someone else has privs on every system 4) add "or join us on IRC" to last question of FAQ" 5) paypal account 6) swag 7) SN Policy Manual 8) Sci-Fi weaponry to defend SN 9) contact StarTrek Reboot orgs 10) social-media/user recruitment strategy - 1 more
[22:41:54] <mrcoolbp> hmmm
[22:42:18] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: did you get a presentable version of that doc you were talking about on the wiki?
[22:42:26] <mrcoolbp> !todo -more
[22:42:27] <Bender> todo item 14 added
[22:42:29] <mrcoolbp> ug
[22:42:33] <mrcoolbp> !done 14
[22:42:33] <Bender> 1 item deleted
[22:42:49] <janrinok> not yet - I'm putting off most jobs until tomorrow. Today has not been a good one.
[22:43:16] <mrcoolbp> I'm sorry to hear about that. How is S doing ?
[22:43:44] <janrinok> not taking the recent news too well - so it is a difficult time for her.
[22:44:24] <janrinok> I'm not sure how up to speed you are on this?
[22:44:35] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: I'm not up on all that, but my thoughts are with y'all
[22:45:30] <paulej72> Do we have an idea what we want in the featured articles slashbox. I can get it up and running if we have something to put into it.
[22:46:36] <janrinok> thx. We received news last week that she faces fairly major preventative surgery - but not having it opens up vulnerabilities to all sorts of major problems. So she has to come to terms that this is a life-changing moment, and make the decision. There is only one way that it can go really, but it is still a difficult thing to accept.
[22:47:18] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: take it one day at a time, be there for her, and step back from here if you need to
[22:47:46] <janrinok> thx - I know, but being here is actually good for me, too.
[22:48:05] <paulej72> I have the block up on dev.soylentnews.org with some old site news articles as a test
[22:48:33] <mrcoolbp> cool
[22:48:58] <janrinok> that looks good.
[22:51:41] <janrinok> hey, I've got to go. Take care guys - see you all tomorrow.
[22:51:50] <paulej72> That is set that eds can edit it. If you go to the admin menu and select cofig, then blocks. Under the Static and Color Blocks select features and click Edit Block.
[22:51:52] <mrcoolbp> get some rest janrinok
[22:52:07] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: looking now
[22:52:10] <janrinok> thx
[22:52:15] -!- janrinok has quit [Quit: leaving]
[22:53:31] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: which block is the featured articles? I found site_news
[22:53:42] <paulej72> features.
[22:54:12] <paulej72> Do this only on dev for now as I have not set it up on prod yet.
[22:54:19] <mrcoolbp> oh lol, I didn't scroll down enough
[22:54:26] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: understood
[22:54:48] <paulej72> I need real content before I reactivate it on prod
[22:54:58] <mrcoolbp> k
[23:05:03] <Azrael> n1: it isn't always that much fun over there, caught us on a good day :D
[23:06:02] <n1> lol
[23:06:37] <n1> just another place to lurk, possibly more suitable for my rants that here ;) .... been a while since i've been on irc so much
[23:10:06] <Azrael> :D
[23:10:15] <Azrael> more the merrier over there!
[23:48:05] * mrcoolbp reads backlog for a consensus on what to do with APK
[23:49:36] <chromas> Many of his posts are longer than the backlog
[23:53:42] <mrcoolbp> you should see the email he sent