#editorial | Logs for 2014-07-08

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[00:43:22] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: finally home from work
[00:46:47] <mrcoolbp> just missed J, oh well
[00:47:31] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: I'll email the volunteer that worked up a some updates to the topic icon and see if he can come up with something for "nerd culture"
[00:47:41] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: let me know if there are any others
[00:47:56] <mrcoolbp> e.g. other icons we need
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[00:53:56] <BlackHole> mrcoolbp, the candidate posted a comment! :o)
[00:54:10] <mrcoolbp> link me
[00:54:33] <BlackHole> link: http://soylentnews.org
[00:54:34] <monopoly> ^ 04SN comment by Anonymous Coward: This is B.J. Guillot, the candidate mentioned. I will review the various questions here and start replying in a few hours. I have to finish working at my day job bef...
[00:54:54] <mrcoolbp> thx
[00:56:03] <mrcoolbp> BlackHole, NCommander and I are considering contacting him directly
[00:56:11] <mrcoolbp> thoughts?
[00:56:31] <BlackHole> yeah, definitely something to think _carefully_ about, i would think.
[00:57:13] <BlackHole> atm, there is a discussion between the community and a political candidate, without staff intervention...
[00:57:27] <mrcoolbp> cool, let me read it a sec
[00:58:36] <BlackHole> i think that to the extent that the staff can _enhance_ the discussion between the community and the politician, that would be great
[00:58:49] <BlackHole> what would not be great would be to in any way _influence_ that discussion...
[00:59:07] <BlackHole> just my 2 cents.
[01:01:11] <BlackHole> it's a really tough one, because if the community doesn't want to talk to him to any greater degree, then taking extrordinary steps to give him a platform and force that discussion could generate well-deserved backlash...
[01:01:13] <mrcoolbp> lol, didn't you just ask him a bunch of questions? = )
[01:01:19] <BlackHole> oh yeah ;)
[01:01:31] <BlackHole> maybe i'm overthinking things =)
[01:01:44] <mrcoolbp> what I'm thinking is we bump the story with and update:
[01:01:54] <mrcoolbp> "Ask him questions below"
[01:01:56] <mrcoolbp> or somethings
[01:03:02] <BlackHole> that actually sounds like a good compromise. just update the story title to something like: "You Asked, Candidate Responds! Ask Him Questions Below"
[01:03:12] <BlackHole> or something
[01:04:12] <mrcoolbp> yeah
[01:04:22] <BlackHole> sweet!
[01:04:29] <mrcoolbp> hmm, we missed LamX, I can run the idea by NCommander
[01:05:02] <BlackHole> yeah, NC mentioned inviting him to an interview or AMA, which sounded a bit too intervention-y to me, i guess.
[01:05:27] <mrcoolbp> I'm looking at it in context now and I like this idea better
[01:05:33] <BlackHole> would be cool to get some of the regular editor's input...
[01:05:34] <mrcoolbp> it = the comment
[01:05:40] * BlackHole hears crickets chirping
[01:05:47] <mrcoolbp> mattie_p: how's the new house?
[01:05:58] <mrcoolbp> (he's probably unpacking)
[01:06:16] <BlackHole> yeah, and jan is taking a _much_ deserved rest, i believe
[01:06:28] <mrcoolbp> Blackhole: looks like jan and Lam aren't even logged in, I could email them though
[01:06:29] <BlackHole> i sort of talked his ear off yesterday :P
[01:06:40] <mrcoolbp> absolutely: maybe I shouldn't bother jan then
[01:06:46] <mrcoolbp> oh lol
[01:07:00] <chromas> Could maybe ask other big names or people of power to come forward
[01:07:08] <chromas> (ones who read us)
[01:07:12] <BlackHole> yeah, i would stick with the USers, i guess, since they had a nice long vacation ;)
[01:07:16] <mrcoolbp> someone kinda did right chromas?
[01:07:23] <BlackHole> chromas, definitely!
[01:07:35] <chromas> mrcoolbp: in the story, if it's updated/edited
[01:08:06] <mrcoolbp> chromas: hmm, I don't think that belongs in this story
[01:08:15] <mrcoolbp> maybe a AskSoylent article
[01:08:25] <mrcoolbp> link back to this one
[01:09:00] <mrcoolbp> chromas: you could submit one....
[01:10:18] <chromas> I was just thinking of something at the end like "Does your state or providence (or whatever) have any prominent Soylent readers?"
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[01:14:16] <mrcoolbp> Azrael: do you mind if we add this ^^^ to your story?
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[01:59:07] <BlackHole> Azrael, ping.
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[04:08:46] <mrcoolbp> Azrael: I updated the "Candidate Fan of Soylentnews" Story as he stepped forward to respond = )
[04:08:56] <mrcoolbp> mattie_p: http://soylentnews.org
[04:08:56] <monopoly> ^ 03SoylentNews: SoylentNews is people
[04:09:08] <mrcoolbp> http://soylentnews.org
[04:09:09] <monopoly> ^ 04SN article 03 *Update: Candidate Responds* U.S. Congressional Candidate a Fan of SoylentNews 04(26 comments): *Updated: Mr. Guillot AKA yankprintster (4225) responded and is interested in answering a some questions. Ask him your questions below in the comments* BlackHo...
[04:09:10] <BlackHole> small typo: "interested in answering _a_ some questions"
[04:09:18] <mrcoolbp> oops
[04:10:03] <mrcoolbp> BlackHole: <14mrcoolbp> *Updated: Mr. Guillot AKA yankprintster (4225) responded and is interested in answering a some questions. Ask him your questions below in the comments*
[04:10:03] <mrcoolbp> <BlackHole> perfect!
[04:10:17] <mrcoolbp> = )
[04:10:19] <BlackHole> hah!
[04:10:35] <BlackHole> only take editorial advice from an editor, i guess :)
[04:11:49] <mrcoolbp> none of them resonded
[04:12:09] <mrcoolbp> responded, what's with me tonight
[04:12:12] <BlackHole> oh, dear.
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[10:23:59] <janrinok> hi guys. If there is anyone around who can 2nd ed my stories and release them, I would appreciate it.
[10:31:50] <Azrael> mrcoolbp: cool :)
[10:32:37] <Azrael> janrinok: will do
[10:35:46] <Azrael> that geek story, can't wait to post in it.. 'the geek shall inherit the earth' or some such :D
[10:37:13] <Azrael> Is it my imagination, or are story submissions way up and regularly so?
[10:45:18] <janrinok> I think there has been a marked improvement, and its a long time since we had 30+ submissions waiting in the queue.
[10:45:55] <janrinok> sry for the late response - I'm doing other tasks but lurking each time I pass.
[10:46:39] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: Did you get the request for a new icon for the 'Nerd Culture' topic?
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[11:06:45] <Azrael> janrinok|lurking: no worries :)#
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[13:20:59] <Bytram|away> Hi All! Saw comment about a bad link on the Ars Technica story about Alice and Wildtangent;
[13:21:07] <Bytram|away> found the link and updated the story with it.
[13:24:19] <Bytram|away> janrinok|lurking: ^^
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[15:16:59] <janrinok> hi anybody
[15:18:40] <chromas> I know Woods is here... (ping)
[15:19:01] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: not really awake yet
[15:19:07] <Woods> Pong
[15:19:08] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: I saw your request
[15:19:33] <Woods> I am here, but my boss is on vacation all this week, so I may not be readily available.
[15:20:29] <janrinok> I'm wide awake but being pulled in 3 directions at once at the moment :)
[15:21:11] <janrinok> Woods: Doesn't that mean that you can skive more? mrcoolbp: Thanks for the ack, chromas hi to you too!
[15:21:36] <Woods> Janrinok: Not familiar with that word, skive?
[15:21:57] <janrinok> to do nothing, shirk off working, to be lazy...
[15:22:30] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: I'm not sure what that icon would look like
[15:22:31] <Woods> Huh, I kinda like it. Is that a UK word? Or have I just never heard of it?
[15:22:55] <Woods> And I can both do less, and MORE work. Since he is gone, I have to pick up the slack, but if there is nothing to do, then I do not have to pretend to be busy.
[15:23:03] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: also it will be a bit before we can get the icon up
[15:23:31] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: to be honest, neither do I.... I've been thinking of subjects such as art, music, film, theatre etc and trying to think of a symbol that is fairly representative...
[15:24:04] <janrinok> Woods: its in the dictionary but where it originates I know not.
[15:24:16] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: also after I spent hours setting up my branch of SoylentCode paulej72 is now testing TMB's branch of slashcode for UTF stuff
[15:24:32] <mrcoolbp> so he's not setup to test my branch on dev.
[15:24:39] <Woods> Janrinok: Internet suggests it is British.
[15:24:47] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: There is no rush for it but as we have encouraged people to write on the topic I suppose we ought to have something to make it obvious.
[15:25:21] <janrinok> brb - time for tea!
[15:25:27] <mrcoolbp> cool
[15:26:30] <janrinok> tea brewing - give it a few minutes...
[15:26:56] * mrcoolbp is waking up, give him  a few minutes
[15:27:27] <janrinok> Woods: if the internet says it is British, who am I to argue. The internet _cannot_ be wrong!
[15:27:39] <Woods> Agreed
[15:27:46] <Woods> Long live the internet!
[15:35:18] <mrcoolbp> yay!
[15:39:49] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: thinking about icons, I've had 2 (probably bad) ideas. The first is a silouhette of the film camera, the second, a theatre mask superimposed with some musical notes....
[15:40:56] * mrcoolbp thinks
[15:41:21] <janrinok> I did say that they were probably bad....
[15:41:50] <mrcoolbp> how about a picture of "Comic Book Man" from simpsons
[15:43:36] <janrinok> Do I lose my geek card if I say I wouldn't know who CBM is?
[15:43:37] <mrcoolbp> http://en.wikipedia.org
[15:43:38] <monopoly> ^ 04Wiki: 03Comic Book Guy: Comic Book Guy (CBG) is the common, popular name for Jeff Albertson, a recurring fictional character in the animated television series The Simpsons. He is voiced by H...
[15:43:52] <mrcoolbp> or just a comic book?!
[15:44:06] <mrcoolbp> that might work
[15:44:54] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: is it easy to just add an new topic?
[15:45:08] <janrinok> yep - I suspect that guy looks to much like many of us!
[15:45:15] <janrinok> too*
[15:46:32] <janrinok> Ah, tea. All is now well with the world...
[15:47:03] * mrcoolbp makes coffee
[15:50:35] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: how about a comic book and a light-saber or something
[15:51:47] <janrinok> sounds as good as my suggestions -( I don't suppose that makes you feel any better, does it? )
[15:52:24] <janrinok> Its such a broad topic that any one icon would work but no single icon can cover the entire topic.
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[15:55:51] <janrinok> Azrael: are you on channel?
[15:56:49] <Azrael> janrinok: nope :(
[15:57:28] <janrinok> ok, I won't tell you then that, with 30+ subs in the queue, we can release at about 60-90 minutes separation.
[15:57:59] <Azrael> I wish I was here to be told that, as it is useful information :(
[15:58:18] <janrinok> Unfortunately, I'll have to tell you next time you are on...
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[16:00:43] <mrcoolbp> stupid IRC
[16:00:53] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: you see, that's what coffee does to IRC....
[16:01:11] * mrcoolbp switches to tea
[16:01:15] <janrinok> lol
[16:01:41] <janrinok> tea doesn't affect IRC, but I do wet myself every few hours....
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[16:06:02] <janrinok> damn, that's some strong coffee...
[16:07:35] * mrcoolbp brews it very strong
[16:08:06] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: BTW, we need to migrate this IRC server in the next few days
[16:08:15] <janrinok> where to?
[16:08:41] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: Backup IRC server is at : 6667 PLEASE BOOKMARK IT
[16:09:44] <janrinok> Noted - is that up now and is it kept in step with this server?
[16:09:55] <mrcoolbp> no
[16:10:02] <mrcoolbp> it's stripped-down, but it works
[16:10:06] <janrinok> OK, I won't switch too soon then....
[16:12:21] <janrinok> Is this server due to become a new nexus or something?
[16:15:18] <mrcoolbp> this server will go down eventually
[16:16:59] <janrinok> I'm sure that we will have just as much fun on the new server as we have had here
[16:18:11] <janrinok> It's funny, I'm meant to be taking it easy (well, doing other things really) but when I want a break I seem to come back here....
[16:20:43] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: That was a brilliant scoop engineered by Blackhole, NC and yourself regarding the Q and A session with Yankprintsters. I just thought I'd say thx while it is in my mind.
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[16:23:56] <mrcoolbp> janrionk: fantastic, thanks
[16:24:10] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: we tried to ping a "real" editor but couldn't find any
[16:24:16] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: so I took the liberty
[16:24:26] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: we actually emailed him and he responded
[16:24:27] <janrinok> Any plans to approach his opponent to coerce him to do the same?
[16:24:42] <mrcoolbp> janrionk: that would be cool, who is it?
[16:24:50] <janrinok> standby
[16:25:12] * mrcoolbp stands, but not "by"
[16:27:00] <janrinok> http://ballotpedia.org
[16:27:01] <monopoly> ^ 03Washington's 2nd Congressional District elections, 2014 - Ballotpedia: Ballotpedia is a nonprofit, nonpartisan collaborative encyclopedia designed to connect people to politics and elections at the local, state and federal level.
[16:28:01] <janrinok> Rick Larson is Democrat, and Mark Lapointe is Independant
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[16:31:05] <janrinok> Unfortunately, it looks like a rock-solid D seat, so perhaps our man will not make much headway
[16:31:17] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: I wonder if either of them are even geeky enough to know what TOS is
[16:32:18] <janrinok> But would they dare _not_ to respond to the invitation. After all, the challenger is showing his mettle.
[16:34:57] <mrcoolbp> hmm, especially not if they already have a huge lead
[16:40:24] <janrinok> Couch it in terms of 'not wanting to show politcal bias' so we 'invite him to answer pre-prepared questions from the community' etc
[16:46:28] <mrcoolbp> janrionk: you think I should email them?
[16:48:01] <janrinok> Well, I'd run it past NC first, but I don't see that we have anything to lose by it. We will have cleared ourselves of any accusations of showing bias that could arise in the future, and it could be another interesting story or two.
[16:48:45] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: methinks he's not awake yet
[16:50:20] <janrinok> there is no rush. I suspect that won't want to do it live, unlike yankprintsters, because they will probably not be up to speed on the subject matter. But we would need a day or two to gather and vet community questions so there is no need to dash off immediately to make contact.
[16:52:20] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: help me pester NCommander, I can help with contacting the people
[16:52:48] <janrinok> And I'd keep it limited to questions of a technical nature or related thereto, and not let the community go off on a tangent. Incidentally, I think yankprintsters batted away some very pointed questions most effectively. He understood the community - and the trolls one might encounter, very well and knew how to handle them.
[16:53:23] <janrinok> Sure, I'll help pester him - do you think he will be reluctant?
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[16:58:50] <mrcoolbp> janrionk: nah
[16:59:16] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: we should make an effort not to be biased, basic due dilligence
[17:00:33] <janrinok> Exactly, and even if they refuse we can always show in the future that we gave them the opportunity to respond but that they declined. We come out looking good either way, especially if we make a short story out of the fact that we invited them and they declined.
[17:02:01] <janrinok> Lets imagine half of our US community will support one or other of the main parties (approx) - I wouldn't want someone in the future from within the community or from outside to suggest that we have a bias.
[17:07:53] <janrinok> gtg for an hour or 2. I'll be back on later to help persuade NC - I'll come on here first and try to hook up with you to find out if you have already spoken to him. cul8r.
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[19:34:37] <janrinok> hi Azrael
[19:34:41] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: ping
[19:51:57] <Azrael> janrinok: yo yo
[19:57:16] <janrinok> Hi az, how's things?
[20:00:53] <Azrael> yeah, ok, you?
[20:03:28] <janrinok> yeah good, tired but good
[20:04:16] * Azrael nods
[20:08:55] <janrinok> Hey Azrael - you are racing up the HallOfFame page!
[20:26:12] <Azrael> w00t
[20:26:27] <janrinok> Who are you chasing?
[20:26:31] <Azrael> janrinok: I'm not sure I'll catch you this decade :D
[20:27:00] <Azrael> I guess at this point I'm chasing martyb :D
[20:27:08] <janrinok> I've already said that I am going to take a break when I reach 1000. Not quit, just slow down and take things a bit easier.
[20:27:26] <Azrael> I have hoever won my other race
[20:27:35] <janrinok> You certainly have!
[20:28:05] <Azrael> assuming you know which my other race is... I've been keeping it quiet to have less competition
[20:28:15] <janrinok> lol
[20:29:19] <Azrael> http://soylentnews.org
[20:29:20] <monopoly> ^ 04SN Poll : Which editor would win in a battle royale? (If grammar and punctuation were weapons) (29 comments; 67 total votes)
[20:31:38] <janrinok> Whilst I congratulate you on your achievement - you do know that the polls are famous for being intentionally skewed - it actually says not to trust them...
[20:32:11] <Azrael> :P
[20:32:34] <Azrael> well given it lets me vote multiple times each day... yeah...
[20:32:57] <janrinok> All the same, any publicity is good publicity....
[20:38:11] <janrinok> I'm going to have to go - have a good evening Az.
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[20:49:45] <Woods> You know Azrael, I surely thought I was going to win that one. I had the first two votes.
[20:49:56] <Woods> Of course, one of those was mine, but still...
[21:22:16] <Azrael> :D
[21:22:28] <Azrael> Woods: well you can vote for yourself at least twice a day, so... :D
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