#editorial | Logs for 2014-07-03
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[00:21:10] * n1 sigh
[00:29:59] <paulej72> hgis
[00:31:39] <n1> hi paulej72
[00:31:49] <paulej72> hello
[00:32:29] <n1> i was just checking kaszz submissions, they seem to be direct copy/pastes from summaries on the other site.
[00:32:30] <n1> ¬_¬
[00:35:41] <paulej72> from the same user on the other site or multple users?
[00:38:45] <n1> i dont like going on to the other site, i think from other users
[00:38:59] <n1> submitted to us an hour or so after the other site published
[00:41:20] <n1> summaries are from two different people on the other site
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[15:10:31] <n1> hi Bytram
[15:15:28] <Bytram> n1: g'day!
[15:20:40] <n1> i wouldn't go that far
[15:20:43] <n1> how are you?
[15:21:15] <Bytram> making progress in trying to grok Unicode and UTF-8 encodings thereof
[15:22:52] <Bytram> n1: sounds like your day isn't going the best?
[15:25:01] <n1> some shit different day
[15:25:58] <Bytram> I had a friend who pointed out that shit (aka manure) was applied to gardens to promote growth.
[15:26:10] <n1> and my theory continues... yesterday i made an observation
[15:26:13] <n1> <+n1> on an unrelated subject, i've been pondering something myself. What i've noted on pretty much every tech acquisition in recent times, the one comment element, is venture capital.
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[15:26:50] <janrinok> hi guys
[15:26:55] <Bytram> janrinok: hiya!
[15:27:07] <n1> just in time for me to continue from yesterday, janrinok! - today, facebook buys video ad firm that had $12m VC funding.
[15:27:38] <Bytram> n1: ISTR that Google, Apple, FaceBook, and Microsoft have been spending bunches of money and are not, per se, VCs
[15:28:04] <n1> ISTR?
[15:28:10] <Bytram> n1: Oh, you mean the acquiree not the acquirer!
[15:28:15] <n1> yeah
[15:28:25] <n1> the companies they buy, are nearly always VC funded.
[15:28:58] <janrinok> hi Bytram - hi and I've just noticed that n1 - and lo to anyone else I've missed.
[15:29:05] <Bytram> How would *you* contact FB with the next great idea? And how could you get it to the point that they'd be interested? Needs money to make money, methinks.
[15:29:06] <n1> one assumes their acquisition managers are tied to VC's, or indeed listen to VC's and create the self-fulfilling prophecy
[15:30:17] <Bytram> the aquirer wants not *just* the tech, but also a management team that has, and can continue to, "grow" the "product"
[15:30:19] <n1> i really didnt expect it to take one day for another example of my theory.
[15:30:30] <janrinok> Bytram: you'd have to read yesterday's log to fill in the detail of this story
[15:31:30] <Bytram> oh, unfortunately don't have time for that ATM.
[15:31:47] <Bytram> hmmm, I wonder if this would work...
[15:31:54] <Bytram> .op
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[15:31:59] <janrinok> lol - I wasn't suggesting that you _should_, only that you _could_!
[15:32:00] <Bytram> .deop
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[15:32:03] <Bytram> http://phys.org
[15:32:05] <monopoly> └ 03Google 'forgets' stories on BBC, UK newspaper sites: Google has restricted access to a BBC blog posting and several British newspaper stories under a legal ruling granting people a right to be 'forgotten' in search engi... ( http://phys.org )
[15:32:09] <Bytram> !woop
[15:32:09] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[15:33:06] <Bytram> now, if you see an "interesting" link online that has some sort of "obfuscated" URL, you can find out what the direct URL is, as well as the target URL's title!
[15:33:35] <Bytram> it also, seems to, output the first bit of the target page
[15:34:17] <Bytram> let's try another, related, story link:
[15:34:18] <Bytram> http://feedproxy.google.com
[15:34:19] <monopoly> └ 03Google right to be forgotten is 'going to get messy' after BBC story disappears - CNET: The BBC says it is "concerned" that a blog post from 2007 has been removed from Google's search results, but an expert suggests requests to remove data have the poten... ( http://www.cnet.com )
[15:35:21] <Bytram> http://www.cnet.com
[15:35:21] <monopoly> └ 03Google right to be forgotten is 'going to get messy' after BBC story disappears - CNET: The BBC says it is "concerned" that a blog post from 2007 has been removed from Google's search results, but an expert suggests requests to remove data have the poten...
[15:36:00] <Bytram> and you can check to see how much of the URL is necessary so as to remove any extraneous tracking "stuff"
[15:36:48] <janrinok> Bytram: what's that UTF-8 character meant to be that starts of each news quote. It shows as a sort of 'L' character but half a line higher than it should be?
[15:37:29] <Bytram> that's there to suggest that it is in referrence to the line preceding it... at least according to the bot's author.
[15:37:44] <Bytram> or, are you asking what the UTF-8 sequence is for that character?
[15:37:57] <janrinok> It didn't give me that idea...
[15:38:39] <janrinok> no - you answered the question perfectly. I just couldn't, and still can't, see why that char was chosen. How about an up arrow?
[15:39:11] <Bytram> yeah, me neither, but now that I know what it's intention is, and it *does* serve to indicate it is additional "traffic" on IRC not generated by a "normal" user, it works for me.
[15:39:24] <Bytram> I'm sure if you have a better suggestion, it would be considered.
[15:39:40] <Bytram> I don't recall for certain, but I *think* that crutchy wrote that one.
[15:39:52] <janrinok> I've aslo got a very small insect between the glass of my screen and the LCD behind it. I looks like a comma that will not stand still!
[15:42:16] * Bytram searches cupboard for a can of Raid
[15:43:22] <janrinok> I've got Raid, but can't find a hole in which to squirt it to get to the inside of the screen!
[15:43:49] <Bytram> ll
[15:43:51] <Bytram> lol
[15:44:13] <Bytram> put a piece of cheese on top of the monitor to lure the little bugger out!
[15:44:26] <janrinok> do insects eat cheese?
[15:44:50] <Bytram> works for mice
[15:45:08] <paulej72> janrinok: it is a computer bug therefore you need a JIT debugger
[15:45:41] * Bytram envisions the cheese at the top of his monitor being consumed by his mouse
[15:45:56] <Bytram> the cursor, it moves all by itself!
[15:45:58] <Bytram> =)
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[15:46:14] <janrinok> paulej72: thx - I knew someone would have an answer. Have a nice day, paulej72
[15:46:39] <Bytram> paulej72: hi! how's things?
[15:46:47] * janrinok notes that paulej72 is always there when you don't need him......
[15:47:16] <paulej72> Busy I am tring to get a bunch of shit done before noon so I can take next week off.
[15:47:37] <janrinok> before noon where? Its late afternoon for me
[15:47:53] <Bytram> janrinok: EDT
[15:48:48] <paulej72> Well then janrinok I can leave :)
[15:48:49] <janrinok> gotcha - get work done before noon on Thursday and take the following week off. I wish that I'd worked there.....
[15:48:56] <janrinok> rofl
[15:49:11] <nick> hahaha
[15:49:32] <janrinok> any plans for next week paulej72 - or simply chillin'?
[15:51:08] <janrinok> I fixed one of my 2 main computers on Monday, and now the second one is making un-computer-like noises. This does not bode well...
[15:51:37] <paulej72> Mostly chillin, but I will need to work on my car a bit. I have a bad antilock brake sensor that is intermiitenly loosing connection. It could be a bad cable or a bad sensor. Both are problems for my model. If it is the sensor, I’ll need to replace the wheel berring assembly.
[15:51:48] <Bytram> janrinok: ask not for whom the well bodes?
[15:52:01] <janrinok> Bytram: very good - quick too
[15:52:08] <Bytram> paulej72: ugh. goodluck with that!
[15:52:18] <janrinok> paulej72: is that expensive - as though anything is cheap nowadays.
[15:52:22] <Bytram> janrinok: mare see!
[15:53:16] <paulej72> If I get the wheel berring on line it is about $80 US. I just did my mon’s car a couple of weeks ago to fix a bad berring
[15:53:46] <janrinok> that's a lot of beer and cheetos...
[15:54:45] <Bytram> i tried replacing spark plugs on my car many years ago, just as my dad taught me, but his car had a cast iron block and mine was aluminum. guess who overtightened one plug and had to pay $500 to get it fixed? :/
[15:55:14] <Bytram> that was a savings I could do without
[15:55:24] <janrinok> ouch - a lesson learned?
[15:55:38] <Bytram> yeah. I don't touch that stuff anymore!
[15:56:04] <Bytram> gtg afk back in 5 minutes or so
[15:56:47] <janrinok> me too - time for a cup of tea. brb
[16:06:44] * nick yawn
[16:06:56] <Bytram> back
[16:07:07] <nick> wb
[16:07:20] <Bytram> thanks!
[16:07:28] <Bytram> hmmm, this might be interesting... http://feedproxy.google.com
[16:07:29] <monopoly> ↳ 03IEEE Launches Anti-Malware Support Service | SecurityWeek.Com: The IEEE announced the launch of a new service designed to help the security industry respond more efficiently to the modern malware threats landscape. ( http://www.securityweek.com )
[16:07:33] * nick is having a reasonably relaxed day
[16:08:08] <Bytram> let's try finding the "clean" version of that url: http://www.securityweek.com
[16:08:10] <monopoly> ↳ 03IEEE Launches Anti-Malware Support Service | SecurityWeek.Com: The IEEE announced the launch of a new service designed to help the security industry respond more efficiently to the modern malware threats landscape. ( http://www.securityweek.com )
[16:08:17] <Bytram> Nice!
[16:08:24] <Bytram> chromas++
[16:08:24] <Bender> karma - chromas: 1
[16:08:49] <nick> i'm amazed at some of the links people include in submissions
[16:08:57] <nick> i'll read that article in a minute
[16:09:20] <Bytram> I just saw that link pop up on the #rss-bot channel and it looked interesting.
[16:09:38] * Bytram goes back to studying Unicode and UTF-8
[16:25:25] <nick> sounds like lots of fun
[16:26:49] <nick> can't figure out how to make a succinct summary from that IEEE anti-malware story without it reading like marketing materials.
[16:36:42] <Bytram> nick: prolly cause it *is*, in some respects, marketing materials?
[16:38:01] <nick> in some respects is being too kind
[16:38:42] <Bytram> nick: be kind, rewind. drop it then. there's other stories coming down the pipe, I'm sure.
[16:39:49] <janrinok> back 2
[16:41:03] <nick> i think it's interesting, it might get picked up by someone with a better imagination on how to write a more objective summary
[16:41:13] <janrinok> I've sprayed my VDU - the bug is laughing at me!
[16:41:55] <nick> lol
[16:42:19] <janrinok> I must have keen hearing, but I'll swear that it is laughing...
[16:42:20] <Bytram> janrinok: hmmmm, turn OFF the VDO, and shine a light *near* the bug and see if you can push/pull it in a certain direction? U got a laser pointer? =)
[16:43:02] <Bytram> pull = atttract the bug to the light; push = bright light on its behind to warm it up and guide it away from the light.
[16:43:55] <janrinok> Oh, it's walked out of view a few times, but it keeps coming back. I turned of the VDU, took off the back, and sprayed everywhere. I even thought it might be that bug display that someone wrote a year or two ago. but no, it's the real thing.
[16:45:27] <janrinok> I haven't got a laser pointer - and it doesn't seem in the least bit interested in my small torch light (flashlight for USians who are reading....)
[16:46:18] <janrinok> I'll die eventually... or grow into something that I can make a good movie out of....
[16:46:33] <janrinok> It'll* not me!
[16:48:07] <Bytram> janrinok: sorry to break it to you, but you'll die, too. I just hope it's not any time soon!!!!
[16:48:39] <janrinok> Noooo! I'm invincible - just crap at killing bugs....
[16:49:29] <Bytram> janrinok: hmmm, plan B: turn the monitor on, and create graphics to tempt the bug... Microsoft Paint, Full Screen, fill all with black, draw with all white.
[16:50:22] <janrinok> I've thought of running the screen test and dazzle the blighter to death, but it doesn't seem too concerned, in fact, I think it sat down to watch!
[16:50:36] <Bytram> ROFL!!!!!!!
[16:51:28] <Bytram> here's another buyout story: http://go.theregister.com
[16:51:30] <monopoly> ↳ 03Facebook pays half a billion dollars for firm that slaps ads on videos • The Register: 'Cos you all love sitting though THAT, right? ( http://www.theregister.co.uk )
[16:51:33] <janrinok> I got so dazzled though I can't see it at the moment. It's probably hiding being a period!
[16:51:50] <Bytram> Bring out yer dead!
[16:52:04] <janrinok> no, it's come back out to mock me.
[16:52:35] <Bytram> just noticed a typo in the title of the story that just went live... on my way to fix
[16:53:16] <Bytram> "UK Internet Filters Censors More than Porn" should be: "UK Internet Filters Censor More than Porn"
[16:54:03] <janrinok> yep and there is another 'isps' which should be 'ISPs' - I got 3 of them but missed the one in the 2nd para
[16:54:28] <Bytram> already got it.
[16:54:52] <Bytram> also, question: "This data has been collected by the Open Rights Group new website that checks"
[16:54:57] <Bytram> s/new// ??
[16:55:19] <Bytram> or "This data has been collected by the new Open Rights Group website that checks
[16:55:50] <Azrael> or Group's new
[16:55:51] <janrinok> No the actual bit that does the checking is new....
[16:56:19] <Azrael> though more importantly, first post!
[16:56:37] <janrinok> HI Azrael
[16:56:40] <Bytram> ok, then I'll change it to "This data has been collected by the Open Rights Group website that checks", because the word "new" appears a couple times after that and makes it clear
[16:57:22] <janrinok> In fact, I can see more typos as we talk...
[16:57:24] <Azrael> janrinok: Hi hi
[16:57:43] <janrinok> That editor ought to be given a month off on full pay.
[16:58:15] <Bytram> janrinok: I suggest a full month off with *double* pay!
[16:58:39] <janrinok> para 2 - 'to see if a site _is_ blocked'
[16:58:47] <Bytram> okay, chanegs made and saved.
[16:58:48] <janrinok> Bytram: You get my vote!
[16:58:59] <Bytram> janrinok: can you double my pay now, too?
[16:59:02] <Bytram> =)
[16:59:26] <janrinok> I'll wait until it clears the cache to see if any of the others that I have spotted still remain...
[17:01:06] <janrinok> OK good job - I've doubled your pay, and there will be a 10% at the end of this month.
[17:01:54] <Bytram> janrinok: (IIRC) if you go straight to the story link, you should see changes immediately: http://soylentnews.org
[17:01:55] <monopoly> ↳ 04SN farticle 03 UK Internet Filters Censor More than Porn 04(1 comments): lhsi writes: The UK internet "porn filters" have been found to be blocking more than just porn, including TorrentFreak & Linuxtracker. Twitter, Facebook and red...
[17:02:39] <janrinok> Yes you can, but I like to make sure that they reach the front page and don't take a wrong turning in the cache...
[17:04:16] <janrinok> Az - how things with you today?
[17:04:26] <Bytram> nod nod. I like to look at the direct page, first, verify THAT is correct, and then wait to make sure it makes it okay to the main page.
[17:05:17] <Bytram> janrinok: I just saw the update on the main page. go get 'em tiger!
[17:05:35] <janrinok> I am a firm believer in the cache-gremlin, who lives next door to the Unicode-gremlin.
[17:06:01] <Bytram> nod nod. Just remember to never give 'em water!
[17:06:10] <Bytram> nor feed 'em after midnight.
[17:06:13] <Bytram> =)
[17:06:33] <janrinok> lol
[17:06:48] <Bytram> oh, here's a fun one. Some people just do NOT understand the internet, eh? http://www.itworld.com
[17:06:52] <monopoly> ↳ 03Goldman Sachs seeks deletion of mistakenly sent confidential email | ITworld: Google has blocked access to a sensitive email that was sent by mistake to the Gmail account of an unknown person, according to Goldman Sachs, on whose behalf the ema...
[17:07:11] <janrinok> Azrael: congrats on your frosty piss - how's things with you today?
[17:07:25] <Bytram> hmm, not quite as inane as I thought it would be. nvm
[17:08:57] <janrinok> I bet they wouldn't do that with an email that I had sent - court order or not!
[17:09:07] <Bytram> nod nod
[17:10:00] <Bytram> time to get cleaned up and about my day... have fun, all!
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[17:10:11] <janrinok> gtg - have to jobs to do before dinner! bye all
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[17:10:40] <Bytram|afk> janrinok|afk: have a good one!
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[18:06:27] <Azrael> janrinok|afk: busy busy... as lack of any posted stories by me in over 24 hours!! GASP!
[18:06:43] <Azrael> add 'shown by' in there somewhere
[18:06:56] <nick> hi Azrael
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[18:08:55] <Azrael> hi nick
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[18:10:43] <n1> how are things?
[18:12:19] <Azrael> gooooood ish thnak you, yourself? :)
[18:13:38] <n1> i can't complain for now (which is unusual)
[18:13:56] <n1> although dealing with this windows8 laptop next to me might change that.
[18:14:16] <Azrael> urg
[18:15:41] <n1> just looking at it... urgh
[18:15:42] <n1> lol
[18:18:45] <Azrael> :D
[18:18:51] <Azrael> just thinking about it - urg
[18:20:52] * n1 pokes it with a stick
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[19:41:18] <nick> wb mr janrinok
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[19:52:06] <Bytram|afk> http://rss.computerworld.com
[19:52:07] <monopoly> ↳ 03Why You Should Invest in Training Your IT Team - Computerworld: &"The only thing worse than training employees and losing them is to not train them and keep them." -- Zig Ziglar ( http://www.computerworld.com )
[19:52:47] <Bytram|afk> http://www.computerworld.com
[19:52:48] <monopoly> ↳ 03Why You Should Invest in Training Your IT Team - Computerworld: &"The only thing worse than training employees and losing them is to not train them and keep them." -- Zig Ziglar
[19:53:11] <Bytram|afk> janrinok: wb! how's the bug?
[19:56:49] <janrinok> Bytram|afk: still walking about - imperious to the Raid that I sprayed.
[19:57:06] <janrinok> impervious*
[19:57:16] * Bytram|afk liked the first spelling better!
[19:57:45] * janrinok notes that typing with a plaster on the ends of 3 fingers is not as easy as one would think...
[19:57:56] <chromas> imperious is apt
[19:58:00] <Bytram|afk> methinks it's best to let it wander around and hopefully come free, rather than become a permanent blot upon thy screen.
[19:58:06] <chromas> " having or showing arrogant superiority to and disdain of those one views as unworthy"
[19:58:10] <janrinok> true - but I can take no credit!
[19:58:21] <Bytram|afk> Out damn spot!
[19:58:49] <janrinok> It'll get bored reading this channel at some point....
[19:58:52] <Bytram|afk> Ivanhoe?
[19:59:07] <Bytram|afk> I can't remember what work that famous quote is from...
[19:59:25] <janrinok> Are you asking if the quote came from Ivanhoe?
[19:59:30] <Bytram|afk> yes.
[19:59:34] <janrinok> Hamlet
[20:00:12] <Bytram|afk> huh. read 'em both decades ago; hard to keep 'em straight!
[20:00:12] <janrinok> sry Macbeth
[20:00:16] <Bytram|afk> Ahhhh!
[20:00:21] <Bytram|afk> that's the one!
[20:00:38] <janrinok> These old blokes are all the same to me, too
[20:00:54] <Bytram|afk> isn't that the one with the oracle(?) saying the king(?) was safe until the woods marched upon Dunsinere?
[20:01:08] <janrinok> Macbeth Act 5 Sc 1
[20:01:23] <Bytram|afk> btw, I finished a first pass at a UTF-8 encoder! Just need to put in a filter to catch invalid code points coming in. =)
[20:01:28] <Bytram|afk> show off!
[20:01:30] <Bytram|afk> =)
[20:01:43] <janrinok> my google-fu is strong tonight
[20:02:18] <Bytram|afk> hhmmmm, google-fu, kung-fu, kung pau chicken, now I'm hungry!
[20:02:41] <janrinok> not heard bacon mentioned for quite a few weeks either....
[20:03:00] * Bytram|afk is NOT complaining about that.
[20:03:21] <janrinok> no, but quite a few of the 'old gang' are now missing in action.
[20:03:23] Bytram|afk is now known as Bytram
[20:04:10] <janrinok> I don't suppose we should say the 'old gang' - we only started in February!
[20:04:36] <Bytram> who you calling old? ;)
[20:04:40] <nick> har har
[20:04:40] <janrinok> me?
[20:04:53] <Bytram> ewe?
[20:05:08] <janrinok> like lambs to the slaughter
[20:05:10] <Bytram> I prefer the term "experienced"
[20:05:28] <janrinok> don't they use the same phrase with street walkers?
[20:05:40] * Bytram wouldn't know.
[20:05:54] <janrinok> er, I think a friend told me...
[20:06:18] * Bytram liked the movie "Pretty Woman" with Julia Roberts
[20:06:43] <janrinok> what's not to like about that film?
[20:07:07] <chromas> Julia Roberts
[20:07:16] <janrinok> you don't like her?
[20:07:25] <janrinok> as she was then, not now?
[20:07:39] <nick> lol
[20:07:47] <chromas> She's got a big mouth; any bigger and the top of her head would separate like South Park Canadians
[20:07:50] <janrinok> ..although......
[20:08:00] <Bytram> I thought she gave a spectacular performance! "Experienced" *cough* and yet charmingly naive at the same time.
[20:08:36] <janrinok> If she turns up at your place chromas, please give her my address and send her on her way.
[20:10:58] <chromas> Do you accept DCC?
[20:11:15] <chromas> I'll send her through the internet
[20:11:47] <janrinok> that'll do for me!
[20:12:41] * Bytram would appreciate being CC'd on that email
[20:19:22] <Bytram> http://go.theregister.com
[20:19:23] <monopoly> ↳ 03Visited the Tor, Tails or a Linux mag website? You're on the NSA's 'EXTREMIST' list • The Register: Privacy-conscious netizens and more targeted by super-snoops ( http://www.theregister.co.uk )
[20:19:46] <nick> that would be all of us then?
[20:20:19] <Bytram> http://feeds.arstechnica.com
[20:20:21] <monopoly> ↳ 03Old school: I work in DOS for an entire day | Ars Technica: Open source MS-DOS alternative lives—but using it nearly killed me. ( http://arstechnica.com )
[20:20:35] <Bytram> wimp!
[20:27:04] <chromas> "Lotus 1-2-3 or VisiCalc?" Wrong! The correct choice is Quattro
[20:30:26] <Bytram> I paid full retail for Lotus 1-2-3 back in the day. Now, it's free? http://vetusware.com
[20:30:28] <monopoly> ↳ 03Download Lotus 1-2-3 Version 2.4 (720k Disk Format) by | VETUSWARE.COM - the biggest free abandonware collection in t...: Download Lotus 1-2-3 Version 2.4 (720k Disk Format) by
[20:31:02] <Bytram> afk brb
[20:51:10] <janrinok> gtg - cheers guys until tomorrow
[20:51:30] <Bytram> janrinok: good to see you; have a good night!
[20:51:35] <janrinok> u2
[20:53:02] <nick> laters, janrinok
[20:53:07] <janrinok> tata
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[20:55:10] * Bytram hears rumble of thunder... might lose connection.
[20:55:51] <nick> heh
[20:56:17] <nick> i remember those days, living with the parents, always used to lose my net connection when it rained
[20:57:22] <nick> we were on the 'the signal/noise ratio is 42% on a normal day, so that's acceptable' (the upper limit before they had to fix the line would be 1% different)
[20:57:32] * Bytram has a UPS, but internet is over a tethered creaky/old mobile phone
[20:57:40] <nick> so any time it rained, or there was strong winds, things went bad.
[20:58:15] <Bytram> nick: so, isn't that the time that you call them out? I bet the Linesmen would get tired of that darn quick!
[20:58:43] <nick> they 'average it'
[20:58:50] <nick> so because 70% of the time, it's not raining
[20:58:51] <nick> it's fine
[20:59:00] <nick> they can remotely test the line
[20:59:16] <nick> or they'll just hassle you out for hours about how you need to check all your house wiring
[20:59:50] <Bytram> I'll bet that was before the days of there being a "demarcation point" for you to work from, right?
[20:59:58] * Bytram assumes your in the USA?
[21:00:02] <nick> nop
[21:00:04] <nick> nope*
[21:00:06] <nick> UK
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[21:00:24] <Bytram> oh. :/ BT?
[21:00:26] <n1> yeah
[21:00:55] <n1> we'd get 10% of the advertised 'upto speeds' because we were fo far from the exchange
[21:01:08] <n1> people on the other end of the road would be on a closer exchange that was in a different town
[21:01:13] <n1> so*
[21:01:48] <n1> what they do now, is if you're online but it's slow or being unreliable
[21:01:57] <n1> they'll hassle you until you let them remote desktop into your PC
[21:02:01] <n1> and clear your caches for you...
[21:02:30] <n1> i was fucking furious when i found out thats what they've been doing to non-tech people, literally hours on the phone waiting for you to give up
[21:02:38] <n1> because it's cheaper for you to spend hours on the phone to india
[21:02:45] <n1> than it is to send an engineer out locally
[21:03:16] <Bytram> n1: bummer!
[21:03:51] * Bytram in a prior position worked on a specialty PBX and at times partnered with BT.
[21:04:52] <n1> well, im going to hell now
[21:05:07] <n1> because we're going to be reselling BT adsl and fttc/vdsl2 soon
[21:05:27] <n1> but it does mean i will have some access to their diagnostics
[21:05:46] <Bytram> n1: do you have to do the support for it, or can you fob it off to them?
[21:07:01] <n1> will do first level of support, but generally it will be BT's problem
[21:07:20] <n1> but with the diagnostics, i should be able to tell what's going on with each client
[21:07:31] <Bytram> well, that's a plus!
[21:07:42] <n1> and because we're local, i dont mind going to peoples property to poke around or do what ever
[21:07:52] <n1> which is part of the service, unlike BT
[21:08:02] <n1> who will just go "well, it must be inside your house so fuck you"
[21:08:27] <Bytram> and while you're there, you might notice something else that you could help them with...
[21:08:46] <Bytram> hey, have you noticed any problems with foo?
[21:09:01] <Bytram> I've seen that do bar before and know how to fix it.
[21:09:04] <n1> thats it, trying to do the complete package
[21:09:09] <Bytram> it would only cost... =)
[21:28:49] <n1> telecoms is probably a fools game, so i'm well suited to it
[21:29:44] <n1> we've not even launched this side of the business yet but we're already getting some decent leads
[21:31:46] <Bytram> well, that IS good news!
[21:32:49] * Bytram is trying out the arachne (dos-based) browser and I've got nearly 30 tabs open in firefox, and hexchat running, and thunderbird running, on a tired old lap top... wish me luck!
[21:33:34] <Bytram> NTVDM.EXE has encountered a problem and needs to close. We are sorry for the inconvenience.
[21:43:41] <n1> why the ... are you using dos anything?
[21:45:32] <Bytram> why not? small and quick alternatives can be handy.
[21:46:36] <Bytram> I've used lynx.exe to get a quick dump of a *large* HTML file which I would then feed to a spell checker and verify/proofread
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[21:47:08] <Bytram> was looking for something that had better css support and came upon Arachne mentioned in the Ars Technica article and thought I'd give it a whirl.
[21:47:23] <Bytram> this article: http://arstechnica.com
[21:47:24] <monopoly> ↳ 03Old school: I work in DOS for an entire day | Ars Technica: Open source MS-DOS alternative lives—but using it nearly killed me.
[21:48:02] <Bytram> besides, I started using computers before there was a DOS for PCs. From my perspective, it ain't *that* old! =)
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[21:48:52] <n1> heheh
[21:49:28] <n1> ive lost my curiosity with these things sadly
[21:49:34] <n1> i used to really enjoy playing around with stuff like that
[21:50:29] <Bytram> besides, what was barely *tolerable* performance "back in the day" absolutely screams on today's hardware!
[21:52:35] <n1> if you're already versed in using it, i can imagine it's quite pleasant
[21:52:52] <Bytram> nod nod
[21:53:11] <Bytram> especially since I'm keyboard centric, instead of mouse-centric
[21:53:56] <n1> my first entry to computers was a Mac LCIII with OS 7.1
[21:54:00] <n1> so i've always had GUI
[21:54:21] <Bytram> newbie!! ;)
[21:54:43] <n1> yeah well shoot me for being young :p
[21:54:57] <n1> although i find myself saying 'kids these days' now
[21:55:10] <Bytram> DEC PDP/8e with 110 baud dialup modem using an ASR-38 TeleType with paper tape for off-line storage!
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[21:55:24] <Bytram> n1: I was just kidding. I'm just an old fart, is all. =)
[21:55:44] <n1> lol
[21:55:53] <n1> and i thought 56k dialup was bad :p
[21:56:12] <n1> writing a log of internet use to see if this 'internet thing' was worth keeping.
[21:56:20] <Bytram> later got an OSI Challenger 4p with 4KB of memory and a 6502 @ 1 Mhz -- what a speed demon THAT was!
[21:56:43] <Bytram> true story...
[21:57:03] <Bytram> my girl friend came over to visit me one afternoon
[21:57:15] <Bytram> I had the computer out on my kitchen table hooked up to a portable color tv
[21:57:21] <Bytram> she cglanced at the computer
[21:57:36] <Bytram> saw the big letters "OSI" emblazened on the computer
[21:57:50] <Bytram> her eyes got VERY BIG
[21:58:00] <Bytram> she turned to look me square in the eye and said
[21:58:13] <Bytram> You're with the "Office of Secret Intelligence"?
[21:58:26] <n1> hah
[21:58:35] <Bytram> apparently, she'd watched a little too much of "The Six Million Dollar Man"!
[21:59:30] <Bytram> ah, those were the days when computers were still quite rare.
[21:59:36] <n1> i dont have such an amusing anecdote. Being in untold amounts of trouble for having porn spam in my email inbox when i was but 11.
[21:59:48] <n1> because i must have put it there, why would they send me this porn spam without me asking for it
[21:59:59] <n1> banned from the computer for just having an email address basically...
[22:00:08] <Bytram> was shortly after the Tandy Radio Shack TRS-80 came out.
[22:00:23] <Bytram> LOL. there's some that doesn't know that you just can't tell.
[22:00:29] <Bytram> :/
[22:01:11] <n1> to be honest, it's only recently that outside 'work' computers have had mainstream acceptance
[22:01:25] <Bytram> nod nod
[22:01:31] <n1> i was still in highschool early 2000's, and it was still very much a taboo to use computers except when forced to for school work.
[22:01:32] <Bytram> except today they call it a phone.
[22:01:59] <Bytram> that's about when the 80386 came out?
[22:02:04] <n1> yeah, well it's entirely different now - when i was 'social networking' online it was lame
[22:02:08] <Bytram> nah, 80486
[22:02:16] <Bytram> yup
[22:02:17] <n1> and yet, i'm still the weird one for not having a facebook...
[22:02:31] <Bytram> me nether,and don't plan to start.
[22:03:22] <Bytram> gtg, back in a bit
[22:03:27] <n1> kk
[22:03:36] <Bytram> nice chatting with ya!
[22:04:03] <n1> take care :)
[22:04:58] <Bytram> thanks! You too!!!
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[23:05:27] <n1> if anyone is about, a second look over the NSA/BoingBoing/Linux Journal story would be much appreciated
[23:21:58] <n1> thanks woods
[23:22:07] <Woods> Oh hey, no problem ni.
[23:22:09] <Woods> n1*
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