#editorial | Logs for 2014-06-30

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[14:27:07] <Azrael> anyone up? :)
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[15:04:04] <janrinok> hi guys
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[15:06:03] <janrinok> hi LaminatorX - how did your w/e go?
[15:06:14] <LaminatorX> Well, thanks. How about yours?
[15:06:55] <janrinok> Nothing special, but I managed to get some programming done, so I am pleased with the outcome.
[15:07:40] <janrinok> I've just logged on to find that Azrael is a one-man-army today!
[15:08:09] <LaminatorX> He is on quite a tear.
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[15:09:50] <janrinok> hi zizban
[15:10:04] <zizban> hey all
[15:10:42] <janrinok> good weekend?
[15:11:01] <zizban> Yes. Yesterday went to nephew's graduation party. Today: day off
[15:11:53] <janrinok> well enjoy!
[15:12:24] <zizban> I am!
[15:12:37] <janrinok> 'Scuse my Euro-centric ignorance - I'm assuming graduation from college?
[15:14:44] <janrinok> zizban: I think you are editing the story that I just posted....
[15:14:55] <zizban> Yes
[15:14:59] <zizban> and am I?
[15:15:17] <zizban> OOOOps
[15:15:19] <zizban> I am
[15:15:28] <zizban> well I'll look your over then
[15:15:29] <janrinok> ...or at least reading it - it had no link but it has now!
[15:15:51] <zizban> Ya I had to find it but you did that too
[15:16:27] <zizban> Looks good
[15:17:45] <janrinok> brb - time for a cup of tea
[15:18:00] <zizban> I'll do the IEFT one since I understand ZERO of it
[15:21:50] <janrinok> OK - its yours
[15:23:20] <zizban> Oh boy!
[15:31:06] <zizban> This one was mostly formatting it to our standards
[15:32:15] <janrinok> yep, that is often the case. Even those where the submitter has tried hard to produce exactly what we require finds his/her efforts mashed up by slashcode!
[15:34:30] <zizban> Read to rock. Check it out when you get a chance
[15:35:29] <zizban> Onto immoral behavior
[15:35:35] <zizban> I mean, the story
[15:37:05] <zizban> Ishi used the british spelling of behaviour...do I keep it or make it Merikan?
[15:37:41] <janrinok> Use whatever the submitter used, because it is likely that the linked material will also be the same.
[15:37:49] <zizban> Lemme check
[15:38:11] <zizban> Nope, it's an American study. I'll change it
[15:38:16] <janrinok> The other reason is that any dialect of English is acceptable
[15:39:36] <janrinok> However, that are some meanings that are opposites in US-en and UK-en and can significantly alter the content if you are not very careful and fully conversant with both dialects. The recommendations are that we do _not_ change them. Its documented in the Editing guide.
[15:40:32] <zizban> Oh Right
[15:40:38] <zizban> I forgot about that
[15:40:40] <janrinok> e.g The US-en 'I could care less' appears to have completely opposite meanings depending on which side of the pond you are on!
[15:40:53] <zizban> I think I'm safe with behavior
[15:41:08] <janrinok> ah, you mean behaviour!
[15:41:34] <zizban> Yes
[15:41:51] <zizban> Since it's an article in en_US
[15:41:54] <janrinok> If you start down that route, you will find lots of Merican being rewritten into yurpean
[15:42:13] <janrinok> I would strongly recommend that you leave them as is.
[15:42:36] <zizban> Alright I will
[15:42:39] * zizban grumbles
[15:42:42] <janrinok> I simply select the appropriate dictionary for spell checking and everything is easy.
[15:43:50] <janrinok> If you piss of the submitters they might not be submitters for very long.... :)
[15:44:58] <zizban> That's very true!
[15:45:05] <zizban> Okay, all set
[15:45:12] <zizban> If you want to give it a looksee
[15:45:42] <janrinok> OK, I'll just finish the one that I am doing - if you would be so kind as to reciprocate, I'd be grateful.
[15:47:28] <zizban> which one?
[15:47:56] <janrinok> any that are still showing as red?
[15:48:05] <zizban> OK
[15:49:57] <zizban> Ok both done. Corrected a minor typo in the gunstores one.
[15:50:02] <janrinok> thx
[15:50:10] <janrinok> another about to drop in 30 secs
[15:50:11] <zizban> NP
[15:50:16] <zizban> OK
[15:50:32] <zizban> There is an article I saw yesterday I might want to submit
[15:50:36] <zizban> lemme go find it
[15:51:22] <zizban> I like this one for us: http://www.imore.com
[15:51:59] <Azrael> /nick One-Man-Army
[15:52:03] <janrinok> ...I knew you wouldn't leave behaviour as it was.... : )
[15:52:03] <Azrael> oops ;)
[15:52:16] <janrinok> hi az - good effort
[15:52:20] <zizban> I did! Or I thought I did
[15:52:46] <janrinok> 5 or 6 changed to US spelling lol
[15:53:12] <janrinok> Ah, you left the title, but changed the article?
[15:53:23] <Azrael> I was slightly worried they'd start going through without a second approval
[15:53:42] <zizban> No the article is in en_US
[15:53:51] <zizban> thats what I was trying to day :)
[15:54:20] <zizban> say
[15:54:21] <janrinok> OK, I changed it to US spelling in the title. We'll call it quits!
[15:54:25] <zizban> LOL
[15:54:26] <zizban> okay
[15:55:24] <zizban> Vision Report OK
[15:55:25] <janrinok> Az - have no fear, somebody would have checked them - in fact both I and LaminatorX came on to do just that, but it wouldn't be the end of the world.
[15:56:05] <janrinok> I suggest we wait now for more submissions - we haven't got much worth fighting over at present.
[15:56:20] <zizban> I was planning on it
[15:56:41] <zizban> We are getting low
[15:56:53] <janrinok> And there are still a couple of eds who have not yet shown today who I would normally expect to see.
[15:57:26] <zizban> I am going to work on submitting the Metal article. It's a little sparse but very interesting
[15:57:56] <janrinok> I've just deleted 3 that have been sat there for over 10 days or were dupes.
[15:58:44] <zizban> ah
[15:58:44] <janrinok> When the Nagger shows only 4 subs it might prompt some activity on the part of the community
[15:58:51] <zizban> I was wondering how long stories stayed
[15:59:23] <janrinok> Until it seems that nobody wants to do them. There was one that I would have put through but I was the submitter so I killed it.
[16:00:07] <zizban> LOL
[16:01:33] <janrinok> And I haven't a clue what web-sniffer should do, but it gives me a form and a capture so there is not much of a story behind that one either!
[16:01:51] <janrinok> sorry - captcha
[16:02:39] <janrinok> Azrael: welcome to the Hall of Fame
[16:08:17] <LaminatorX> Hippos!
[16:09:14] <janrinok> When Soph told me she had seen a story about hippos on the BBC news I though - is that SN material or not - looks like I was wrong again!
[16:11:55] <janrinok> thought*
[16:13:36] <Azrael> janrinok: thanks :)
[16:14:01] <janrinok> you're chasing NCommander now
[16:14:28] <Azrael> w00t
[16:14:51] <janrinok> mind you, if we used word count as the metric, we would all be in NC's dust!
[16:15:32] <Azrael> lol
[16:16:20] <janrinok> You also feature well in the latest Poll
[16:17:49] <Azrael> always knew a nick starting with 'A' would help one day
[16:18:30] <janrinok> can't be many that have the first and last letters of the alphabet at the start of their nick!
[16:20:47] <Azrael> :)
[16:20:50] <zizban> Stupid formatting in submissions
[16:20:53] <zizban> why wont you work?
[16:21:09] <janrinok> because there is slashcode involved?
[16:21:29] * LaminatorX is very grateful that the office firedrill was in the morning before the oppressive heat kicks in.
[16:21:39] <Azrael> i have a gm script that embeds a wysiwyg editor
[16:21:52] <Azrael> not working perfectly ywt :/
[16:22:01] <janrinok> 'gm' ?
[16:22:10] <Azrael> greasemonkey
[16:22:15] <janrinok> gotcha
[16:22:29] <Azrael> may share soon :)
[16:23:07] <zizban> I give up. I'm not going to try to make a word a hyperlink. It just wont work.
[16:23:10] <janrinok> make it automatically change <br><br> to </p><p> and you are onto a winner!
[16:23:21] <janrinok> Azrael: ^^
[16:24:20] <Azrael> easily done :)
[16:24:37] <Azrael> i say... serting myself up for failure
[16:24:46] <janrinok> zizban: That's twice you've found that problem - are you using the standard submission ed?
[16:24:56] <zizban> Yep
[16:25:02] <zizban> Is there a different one?
[16:25:18] <janrinok> No - some edit elsewhere and then cut and paste.
[16:25:31] <zizban> ah I should try that
[16:26:01] <janrinok> are you linux, Mac or win user?
[16:27:28] <janrinok> For linux - which is all I know - there are quite a few HTML-editors which can simplify some of the more repetitive tasks.
[16:28:12] <janrinok> The problem is limiting oneself to the subset of HTML that slashcode supports.
[16:29:13] <LaminatorX> I find the fact that I haven't updated my HTML skills since the late 90's an advantage here.
[16:30:17] <janrinok> LOL - I had never used it until I became an ed here - it was simply not in my skillset.
[16:31:14] * janrinok notes not much call for HTML in real-time avionics!
[16:32:02] <LaminatorX> They implement <blink> at the microcontroller level.
[16:32:24] <zizban> I am a Linux user
[16:32:36] <janrinok> yep, followed by a loud whoosh and something usually flies off the wing!
[16:33:05] <janrinok> zizban: what a sensible man.
[16:33:13] <zizban> Thanks
[16:34:50] <janrinok> you have quite a few editors to choose from if you use Linux.
[16:35:00] <zizban> Ya I imagine'
[16:38:02] <zizban> submitted. Oh man slash mangled it! Apologies in advance to the editor that gets it
[16:38:29] <janrinok> I'm looking at it
[16:38:53] <zizban> Its awful
[16:38:56] <zizban> I'm sorry
[16:39:27] <janrinok> Should there be something other than the floating ? between 'fall.' and 'Right'?
[16:40:49] <zizban> No, that's two pragraphs from the TFA
[16:40:55] <zizban> paragraphs
[16:41:03] * zizban weeps. will never do this again
[16:41:10] <janrinok> lol rofl
[16:44:04] <zizban> BBl gotta take care to mechanic
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[16:44:25] <janrinok> OK cu
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[16:59:38] <janrinok> hi Blackmoore - don't often see you in these parts, but welcome all the same.
[17:12:27] <janrinok> OK - its off to the kitchen for me, bbl - about 2 hours.
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[17:35:42] <Blackmoore> HI! I have a question for the editors ; Unfortunately I'm working and in the middle of something that needs my attenetion for a another half hour
[17:51:23] <Blackmoore> ok, with that out of the way. I can get back to you guys :P
[17:56:31] <Blackmoore> i was looking in the soylent log earlyer today and saw someone aska question about https://www.indiegogo.com
[17:56:47] <Blackmoore> now I'm at work and cant watch the damn thing.
[17:57:43] <Blackmoore> so while I WANT to send up a submission 1) i cant verify who this is or what this guy is talking about
[17:58:55] <Blackmoore> if i could verify who it is, and what pior art they are claiming microsoft patented; then I have to find a way to frame it for a discussion
[17:59:22] <Blackmoore> so I'm kinda stuck.
[18:02:46] <mrcoolbp> Blackmoore: $35K and $250K are needed to make his case?
[18:02:49] <mrcoolbp> that seems high
[18:03:09] <mrcoolbp> we could try to research the claims at least if there's no way to verify his identity yet
[18:04:20] <mrcoolbp> but it looks like a scam to me on fist glance </cynicism>
[18:05:29] <Blackmoore> well, I need to know what they cliam to have patent to, before i can judge the amount, but 250K isnt unreasonable.
[18:05:45] <Blackmoore> i've been watching NOvell vs SCo for years
[18:06:07] <Blackmoore> and Mocrosoft vs Lotus (over the f1 key)
[18:06:20] <mrcoolbp> Blackmoore: understood, so what are you asking of the editor team?
[18:06:50] <Blackmoore> is this th type of thing we want to promote?
[18:07:03] <Blackmoore> sure it IS tech news.
[18:07:09] <mrcoolbp> if it's real, I'd say so, but it seems kinda sketchy
[18:07:14] <Blackmoore> but this is a) a fundraiser.
[18:07:22] <Blackmoore> and b) litigation
[18:07:42] <Blackmoore> if we were Grocklaw I'd have no questions
[18:09:05] <Blackmoore> bad enough that I will not have the ability to see the video until MAYBE tuseday after 10pm..
[18:10:59] <mrcoolbp> blackmoore: http://v-graph.com
[18:13:26] <mrcoolbp> I'm no developer, and maybe I'm missing something, but what the description says it does isn't what I'd call revolutionary
[18:13:31] <mrcoolbp> "The Browser surfs the Web with the best of them. Linking on URL's, downloading and showing GIF and JPG images, are just a start."
[18:15:52] <Blackmoore> yeah, if I'm gonna submit this I need to track down what they think they have prior art on. if it is Hypertext itself, microsoft has noright to the patent
[18:15:53] <Azrael> If anyone wants to try my very rough and not yet perfect script, you can do from my badly named http://www.learning-technologist.net
[18:16:03] <Azrael> requires greasemonkey :D
[18:16:20] <Azrael> running away, ping me by name with comments for me to see later
[18:17:13] <mrcoolbp> Blackmoore: To your original question: Yes, I think the subject matter is something we'd cover, but this one doesn't seem very "meaty." I mean, he's reached 1% of his goal...quick search isn't turning up anything on him, I'm just not sure
[18:17:20] <mrcoolbp> Azreal: cool!
[18:18:12] <Blackmoore> if they just have a browser - and it isn't Douglas Engelbart - I would have to direct the conversation to consider the merit of the claim
[18:20:18] <mrcoolbp> ah, hmmm
[18:21:10] <mrcoolbp> Blackmoore: like I said: that description page didn
[18:21:18] <mrcoolbp> didn't look very impressive
[18:21:28] <mrcoolbp> but I could be missing something
[18:27:32] <Blackmoore> ah - i get it.
[18:28:01] <Blackmoore> they claim to have the prior art on " integrate a web browser into your applications."
[18:29:12] <Blackmoore> I have something to work with now.
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[19:24:39] <Azrael> mrcoolbp: have you tried it?
[19:27:44] <janrinok|afk> Azrael: I'm trying to but how do you make it work?
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[19:28:46] <janrinok> I've installed GM, and your script. I open the submit.pl page and then..... ?
[19:33:34] <Azrael> er.. nothing actually ;)
[19:33:51] <Azrael> well, go to http://soylentnews.org
[19:34:04] <Azrael> click on one of the stories, i.e. http://soylentnews.org
[19:34:42] <Azrael> Intro Copy text area now a wysiwyg editor
[19:35:32] <janrinok> Yes, I can see that Az, thanks but its not for me. I thought it moved me to an editor of my choice. How do I insert a list? Find and Replace? Perhaps I'm missing something but I'll stick to my other editors thanks.
[19:35:44] <Azrael> if you click preview, all text areas are wysiwyg editors, and the date box gives a pretty date picker
[19:37:45] <Azrael> well I only specify a cut down list of editing optins, lists and indent/outdent are available options, I just have excluded them for the time being
[19:38:20] <Azrael> mostly because I'm trying to get blockquote working - it wasn't an available option and my hack to include it doesn't always work
[19:38:30] <janrinok> Thanks Azrael. I stick to what I have - but I do appreciate the effort.
[19:38:38] <Azrael> :)
[19:40:03] <Azrael> I think there are firefox plugins that explicitly turn textareas into wysiwyg editors, and lets you choose which you want, but I wanted something more tailored to my own needs and the datepicker more of a priority for me that the html editor
[19:40:47] <Azrael> and I think I have a <br> -> <p> fix working, but not yet included on thhe script at the above URL
[19:41:24] <janrinok> For me, people have already written 100s of editors that do better than the one that comes with slashcode. I misunderstood - I was hoping for something that would shift the text to be edited into an editor of my choice, and return it when I had finished.
[19:42:21] <Azrael> ahh, no :)
[19:43:01] <Azrael> I was hoping a better editor like TinyMCE would work... but that seems to use iframes and anything using an iframe fails from a GM script (for me any way) due to cross site script security
[19:43:49] <janrinok> That's what I do manually - and I have all the HTML editing commands that I can wish for, plus all the usual text editing - Find and Replace, choice of dictionaries etc.
[19:44:03] <Azrael> also my goal is to make it work right primarily for me, so not upset if it doesn;t scratch anyone else's itches :D
[19:44:35] <Azrael> my perspective is if anyone else wants something different they can make their own GM script and are welcome to use mine as a starting point :D
[19:44:40] <janrinok> Quite right - that's exactly why you should be doing it. You will never please everyone else, not even a small subset of them!
[19:45:37] <Azrael> sadly I never even 100% please myself ... some people are just hard to please! ;)
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[22:11:26] <Azrael> ping ping I have a question
[22:13:02] <Azrael> mrcoolbp, LaminatorX: ping?
[22:17:03] <Azrael> I pushed an article into a gap to go out today as it is news about today and the story says 'today' and I felt more useful going today than tomorrow (which would include editing it to say 'yesterday' and being less newsworthy by then
[22:34:23] <paulej72> Azrael: that is an appropriate thing to do. You can also push the later stories back if needed. Current news should get put up ASAP, other stuff can wait
[22:43:32] <Azrael> paulej72: thanks :) I wasn't sure if I should push others back, but will do now :)
[22:43:50] <LaminatorX> What's up?
[22:44:08] * LaminatorX reads back.
[22:45:34] <LaminatorX> Breaking news can run immediately, any time.
[22:47:26] <paulej72> LaminatorX: it is not breaking news, it is broken news :P
[22:49:05] <LaminatorX> It's breaking my heart.
[23:18:05] <Azrael> was the supreme court thing... not so breaking to go at once, but enough for same day I thought
[23:20:28] <Azrael> LaminatorX: I see you edited, out of interest what did I miss?
[23:20:59] <Azrael> oh.. hang on.. that doesn't mean you edited...
[23:21:17] <LaminatorX> It looked fine to me.
[23:21:32] <Azrael> I'm just being tired and disfunctional :D
[23:21:52] <LaminatorX> MNo worries.
[23:22:10] <Azrael> and I am wanting to kick jquery in the teeth but I can't find its teeth :/
[23:22:34] <LaminatorX> It only displays them on user request.
[23:22:55] <Azrael> hmm?
[23:23:29] <Azrael> tis my own jquery that is giving me issues
[23:24:00] <LaminatorX> A failed joke on my part. /. Beta loads the entire comment tree hidden, and exposes pieces using jquery. It hogs ram enourmously.
[23:24:12] <Azrael> ahhh
[23:24:13] <Azrael> :D
[23:24:32] <Azrael> I think most appropriate response is: fuck beta! ;)
[23:27:16] <LaminatorX> Alrignt. I'm off.
[23:27:28] <Azrael> nightnight
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