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[00:02:43] <chromas> Expandable comments came from a greasemonkey script
[00:03:00] <chromas> Maybe your script can be, too :)
[00:06:50] <Azrael> :)
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[12:56:29] <janrinok> hi guys
[13:02:37] <Azrael> yoyo
[13:03:41] <Azrael> got to push some stories out quick... got to end of queue :)
[13:05:44] <janrinok> OK - do you want a hand?
[13:08:04] <janrinok> paulej72: are you here - we have 4 spam submissions
[13:12:01] <Azrael> janrinok: I'm ok to smack a few through at the moment :)
[13:12:11] <Azrael> ooks like laminator is too
[13:13:15] <janrinok> Az - do not delete the spam subs until a member of sys has seen where they are coming from. thx
[13:20:12] <janrinok> OK -I'll go back to lurking. See you in an hour or two
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[13:21:06] <Azrael> ok
[13:25:05] <Azrael> janrinok|afk: ping
[13:25:48] <Azrael> look-whose-listening deliberate? or should be look-who's-listening
[13:30:32] <Azrael> assuming typo so changing :)
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[14:26:20] <Bytram> hey gang!
[14:26:53] <Bytram> Just a heads up that the current slash code *deletes* the mdash named character entity...
[14:27:57] <Bytram> In other words, where the user may have submitted, for example: "This story &mdash; reported by FizzBuzz &mdash; brings up a ..."
[14:28:29] <Bytram> Would have been expected to render something like: "This story -- reported by FizzBuzz -- brings up a ..."
[14:28:51] <Bytram> But, instead renders as: "This story reported by FizzBuzz brings up a ..."
[14:29:23] <Bytram> note that the spaces surrounding the &mdash; remain, but the character, iteself, is deleted.
[14:29:55] <Bytram> I have fixed several stories recently where this has made it's way to the front page. :(
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[14:34:36] <Bytram> LaminatorX: g'morning!
[14:34:42] <LaminatorX> Hello everyone.
[14:35:17] <Bytram> h'sings?
[14:35:22] <Bytram> how's things?
[14:35:34] * Bytram needs to clean his keyboard :/
[14:36:48] <LaminatorX> Pretty well thanks. I got to run sound for The Beat las night (Paul Collins's. not English).
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[14:40:16] <janrinok> hi everyone
[14:42:54] <LaminatorX> Hi Janrinok.
[14:43:23] <janrinok> Hi LaminatorX - how's things? I note your good fortune from last night!
[14:44:12] <LaminatorX> Fun Fact: The English Beat and Paul Colins's Beat toured together a few years ago. They called the tour, "Two Beats hearting as One."
[14:44:49] <janrinok> very witty naming of tour.
[14:45:10] <LaminatorX> That is probably the best thing to ever happen in the aftermath of an international trademark dispute.
[14:45:34] <janrinok> lol
[14:46:12] <janrinok> yep, witty and simultaneously putting the past behind them
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[14:50:05] <janrinok> hi Woods
[14:50:20] <Woods> Hi
[14:50:22] <Woods> Hey
[14:51:07] <LaminatorX> Hey there.
[14:52:09] <Woods> With Azael and Zizban around, this has gotten way easier.
[14:52:46] <LaminatorX> I It's nice not being on the edge all the time.
[14:53:23] <Woods> lol
[14:55:51] <Azrael> :D
[14:56:06] <janrinok> I couldn't agree more - there must be a critical number of eds when the pendulum of effort suddenly swings
[14:56:50] <Woods> n1 has been busy for the last couple weeks so it was what, just me, Janrinok, and LaminatorX I think right?
[14:57:01] <Woods> So 3 is too low, 5 must be the ticket.
[14:58:13] <paulej72> where are the 4 spam submissions?
[14:58:17] <janrinok> We had 4 span submissions before - I flagged them up but they have been deleted now so I assume that the sys guys saw them, took whatever they could from them, and then deleted them. I've not seen any response from this on this channel or #staff
[14:58:48] <janrinok> They were very obvious and didn't stand a chance of making it past an editor
[14:59:27] <LaminatorX> I nuked the spam.
[14:59:28] <janrinok> Woods: I think it is not only the number of eds that is important, but when they are available within the 24hr period
[14:59:40] <janrinok> Ah, ok LaminatorX
[14:59:44] <Woods> Ohh yes, definitely.
[15:00:30] <paulej72> LaminatorX: I need to see them to put them on the spam list. Please do not delete in the future, just note that they are spam.
[15:00:43] <LaminatorX> We have a spam list?
[15:01:06] <janrinok> I sometimes think all my stories go straight to it.....
[15:01:30] <LaminatorX> Can we put them in Hold for you?
[15:01:37] <paulej72> built in spam/ban system. Setting an IPID to spammer, does not allow them to submit stories or comments
[15:02:07] <LaminatorX> Sounds great.
[15:02:11] <paulej72> LaminatorX: yes you can put hold on them.
[15:02:49] <janrinok> so that is what the 'hold' button is for..... I wondered about that :)
[15:03:04] <LaminatorX> That'll work. If they're in the Hold they won't inflate the pending submissions number.
[15:03:12] <paulej72> Some asshat has been spamming a story from Februray for the last 3 months. Just set spammer on about 8 IPIDs
[15:03:32] <LaminatorX> If we wanted to have an obit at the ready for Vint Cerf or somebody, we'd keep it there too.
[15:03:49] <janrinok> mattie_p will be upset - he thought his story was doing ever so well....
[15:04:48] <Bytram> hi gang!
[15:05:05] <Woods> Shhh, quiet guys, Bytram is here...
[15:05:06] <janrinok> hi Bytram
[15:05:21] <janrinok> Woods: I didn't tell him anything....
[15:05:30] <Bytram> I noticed a few submissions had the named character entity "&mdash;" which gets filtered out... I've had to fix several stories so far. :(
[15:05:32] <Woods> Excellent.
[15:05:39] <Bytram> janrinok: Hi!
[15:05:53] <Bytram> Woods: g'day!
[15:06:03] <Bytram> hmmm, I just realized...
[15:06:52] <Bytram> paulej72: Is there a variable in the admin interface which lists the named character entities that we delete?
[15:07:08] <janrinok> I find that if I replace the mdash character in the story with the (identical looking) one from my keyboard it works as normal. It might be a UTF-8 problem.
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[15:08:04] <Woods> Janrinok: From a pedant standpoint, I think the mdash character is a couple pixels longer than the standard hyphen.
[15:08:29] <Bytram> janrinok: Yeah. but in the past day or two, I've noticed stories made it out to the front page with the character missing and had to go in and manually fix it. :/
[15:08:40] <Bytram> it would be nice if the code just left it in there in the first place!
[15:09:05] <janrinok> good spot - I'll stick with my hyphen fix until we have it sorted out.
[15:09:45] <Bytram> janrinok: thanks! Here's an example of the before and after when I fix it:
[15:10:19] <Bytram> "the author &mdash; famed for his insight in these matters &mdash opined ..."
[15:10:32] <Bytram> "the author -- famed for his insight in these matters -- opined ..."
[15:11:10] <janrinok> either fix seem satisfactory to me. As long as the story makes sense for the community, I'm happy.
[15:11:11] <Bytram> btw, another named character entity that I think should make it through, if it does not already, is "&hellip;" which should be replaced with "..."
[15:12:03] <Bytram> the doubled-dash is the representation used back in the days of typewriters and fixed-width only fonts, so that's why I use "--" instead of "-".
[15:12:20] <mrcoolbp> "--" is acceptable
[15:12:25] <mrcoolbp> IMO
[15:12:33] <janrinok> the memory is strong in this one....
[15:12:45] <zizban> heh
[15:12:47] <Woods> Bytram: I cannot stand to have punctuation in the title, I think it looks funny. I try to reword it without the extra dashes and dots.
[15:12:49] <Bytram> mrcoolbp++ G'morning!
[15:12:49] <Bender> karma - mrcoolbp: 3
[15:12:56] <mrcoolbp> g'mornin!
[15:13:01] <zizban> morning all
[15:13:09] <janrinok> hi mrcoolbp - how's things with you
[15:13:13] <mrcoolbp> mornin' zizban
[15:13:13] <Bytram> Woods: I suggest you avoid taking up Morse Code
[15:13:24] <Bytram> =)
[15:13:26] <Woods> Lol
[15:13:45] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: at the beach with my family...it's freakin' awesome
[15:13:52] <mrcoolbp> lots of sunburn and home-cooked meals
[15:14:07] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: Isn't there a slash variable that enumerates the named character entities that we strip out?
[15:14:26] <zizban> That Outlook outage story looks like flamebait
[15:14:32] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: that would be helpful, but I'm not sure
[15:14:52] <janrinok> that's twice you've told me that you are in great places with you family yet you insist on logging on to here. That's either dedication or... or... well I can't think of a politely insulting word that meets my needs!
[15:15:23] <Bytram> it'sbeen a few days, but I seem to recall there is one... themightybuzzard mentioned a vew vars that listed filtered things.
[15:15:29] <janrinok> but glad to see you anyway!
[15:15:32] <Bytram> let me see if I can track it down.
[15:16:03] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: we have two seperate houses, the younger folk are here with me, in the mornin' before the rest of the younger folk wake up, I usually check in to see if I missed anything, right now I'm just waiting for....ah coffee's done
[15:16:23] <janrinok> lol - makes more sense now!
[15:16:23] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: I had to bring my laptop to do work anyway, so I'm leaving it logged in for the backlog
[15:16:24] <Bytram> coffee++
[15:16:24] <Bender> karma - coffee: 1
[15:16:33] <mrcoolbp> coffee++
[15:16:33] <Bender> karma - coffee: 2
[15:18:26] <zizban> I'm going to try to make the Outlook story not look like flamebait. Not sure if that will work.
[15:18:30] * zizban dives in
[15:18:36] <Woods> The results of that poll sure are interesting, looks like Science has the lead by far, and Random is in second. Very interesting.
[15:18:36] <janrinok> good luck ziz
[15:18:43] <LaminatorX> Godspeed, zizban.
[15:18:59] <Woods> Zizban: Holler if we need to send a search party for you.
[15:19:07] <zizban> Will do, thanks
[15:19:13] <janrinok> he was a fine ed, he will be missed....
[15:19:46] <zizban> hey! I'm still here ;P
[15:20:04] <janrinok> yes, but you haven't finished the job yet....
[15:20:25] <zizban> True
[15:21:18] <Woods> Preemptive eulogy.
[15:22:29] <zizban> That's the name of my next band
[15:22:52] <janrinok> Do your bands come and go that quickly?
[15:23:36] <zizban> Yes, it's spinal tap only worse
[15:24:09] <janrinok> let me know when your next (and possibly final) booking is taking place..
[15:24:15] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: I *might* have found the variable, but I cannot check the live site. Could you please check the value of the site variable: charrefs_bad_entity
[15:24:35] <mrcoolbp> k
[15:24:44] <Bytram> thnx!
[15:25:27] <mrcoolbp> Bytram: "zwnj|zwj|lrm|rlm"
[15:25:44] <mrcoolbp> "Entities that approveCharref should always delete"
[15:25:54] <Bytram> On production, really? I saw that on dev and thought it was just garbage.
[15:26:03] * Bytram goes back to his search.
[15:26:23] <mrcoolbp> yup, sorry
[15:26:31] <mrcoolbp> let me know if there's anything else I cand do
[15:26:55] <Bytram> much appreciated! thanks a bunch for looking for me!
[15:27:14] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: I didn't even understand that 'encrypted' response...
[15:28:01] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: ?
[15:28:13] <janrinok> zwnj|zwj etc
[15:28:20] <mrcoolbp> it was for bytram
[15:28:30] * zizban is trying to think of an aditional line or two that isn't flamebait. "Are we too reliant on cloud srevices?"
[15:28:33] <janrinok> yes, but he understood it - I didn't
[15:28:46] <mrcoolbp> (janrinok: neither did I)
[15:28:50] <zizban> "What do you do in case of a service outage?"
[15:28:58] <mrcoolbp> ^^^
[15:29:06] <Bytram> afk brb
[15:29:32] <zizban> "Does workplace rely on the cloud? If so, how do deal with outages?"
[15:29:36] <zizban> your
[15:30:24] <zizban> That should do
[15:30:57] <janrinok> Try not to invoke Betteridge's law - i.e. can you remove the question element?
[15:32:01] <janrinok> zizban: I'd try to add more from TFA if it was me.
[15:32:07] <zizban> Ya but if I do the story is one line
[15:32:12] <zizban> Okay that would work
[15:32:14] <zizban> lemme see
[15:33:15] <janrinok> There are some cracking quotes in that article! Not sure that they are _all_ usable though
[15:33:20] <paulej72> Bytram: I am not sure where that is getting delete. TheMightyBuzzard might have a bit more knowledge in this area right now.
[15:33:52] <zizban> The article is kind of flamebait in itself.
[15:34:08] <Bytram> paulej72: ok, thanks! I know I discussed some of this with him a few days ago, but can't seem to find where it's happening, either.
[15:34:11] <Bytram> thanks for looking!
[15:34:30] <janrinok> True, but I think you could tame it by choosing your quotes carefully, and letting the reader draw his own conclusions from TFA
[15:35:13] <zizban> Thats the angle I am pursing
[15:35:14] <Bytram> from the "rains-reins-reigns" dept
[15:35:25] <Bytram> =)
[15:37:40] <zizban> heh
[15:39:09] <Bytram> don't have a dictionary to hand, but IIRC "rain" is the wet stuff, "rein" is what is used to control a horse, and "reign" is what a king does.
[15:39:21] <janrinok> spot on
[15:39:26] <Bytram> !woop
[15:39:26] <Bender> woop woop woop (\/) (;,,;) (\/)
[15:40:00] <janrinok> next - vein, vain, and vane
[15:40:53] <Bytram> blood vessels are useless in this direction
[15:42:10] <janrinok> lol
[15:42:52] <Bytram> Neigh nay is nigh
[15:43:28] <Bytram> I eye "aye!"
[15:43:33] <janrinok> I recall when learning Russian that someone criticised Russian for being too difficult - and such problems didn't exist in English. After 15 minutes - he surrendered.
[15:44:06] <Bytram> You yew ewe?
[15:44:11] <Bytram> LOL!
[15:45:09] <janrinok> ghoti == fish. Take the 'gh' sound from enough, the 'o' sound from women, and the 'ti' sound from station. Put them together - fish.
[15:45:31] * Bytram played lots of "Go Fish" as a child.
[15:48:39] <zizban> Into the stories it goes if anyone wants to look it over for me
[15:49:02] <janrinok> will do
[15:49:20] <zizban> thanks
[15:49:37] * zizban catches up on work stuff in the meantime
[15:53:18] <janrinok> zizban: One sentence addition from TFA - just to balance the viewpoints.
[15:53:31] <zizban> Yes?
[15:54:08] <janrinok> 'without email on Tuesday, frustrated MS users turned to another modern medium for airing complaints: Twitter'
[15:54:13] <zizban> LOL
[15:54:19] <zizban> I didn't see that. That's awesome
[16:10:47] <zizban> Alright back to the que
[16:14:22] <zizban> Wow that Hovercar submitter is seriously bitter. Man
[16:15:05] <Bytram> bw, for thse of you who might be new here or who may have forgotten, there's a channel with RSS feeds from various news sources from around the web. To see it, do: /join #rss-bot
[16:15:18] <janrinok> I haven't seen it and I'm doing a different story at the moment. I'll read it in a while ziz.
[16:15:41] <zizban> Oh it's just an observation. I'm thinking aloud
[16:15:47] <zizban> I'm starting to work on it
[16:27:03] <janrinok> having read it, the author obviously doesn't understand the concept of monorails either - removing the power does _not_ cause vehicles to fall to the ground. Hovever, I personally think that it will prove too expensive and inflexible to become popular.
[16:28:15] <zizban> Ya me too but I have it knocked into rough shape now, still plugging away
[16:30:17] <janrinok> Not an easy story to put together, and make sure that you 'thick skin' is intact. It will probably attract some derogatory comments from some idiot or other who will demand that editors be 'fired' and replaced by an army of waiting volunteers whom we appear to have overlooked - lol!
[16:32:17] <zizban> lol
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[16:32:55] <Bytram> here's some breaking news: http://arstechnica.com
[16:33:10] <zizban> Oh man that stinks
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[16:33:20] <n1> well there was me coming here hoping for good news...
[16:33:24] <n1> ¬_¬
[16:36:48] <zizban> That's a bummer
[16:37:48] <n1> how are you, zizban?
[16:38:25] <zizban> Good, just doing some edits in some downtime
[16:38:46] <zizban> Cold mostly gone, just hacking up lung part6s now
[16:39:31] <n1> i had similar recently, a cold for about 4 days, but hacking up lungs lasted nearly 3 weeks
[16:39:40] <Bytram|afk> n1: Not so much good news, but certainly a well-written description of the coding "zone": http://www.slate.com
[16:39:41] <n1> was really quite unpleasant
[16:39:53] <Bytram|afk> n1: hope you're back in fine shape, now.
[16:40:16] <n1> yeah, i'm all good now thanks Bytram|afk :)
[16:40:23] <n1> hope all is well with you
[16:41:13] <Bytram|afk> thanks. Yeah. A bit tired. Could use a nap, but due in to work afore long and have a late shift tonight. At least I have tomorrow off, so can catch up on sleep, then. =)
[16:41:21] <n1> i think i was in the 'zone' last night - although the amateur version being html and css.
[16:41:45] <zizban> That's I how i felt the last two days. when is my nap?
[16:42:07] <n1> when all your work is done, then you can nap.
[16:42:13] <Bytram|afk> getting CSS and HTML to work as expected is like building a Venn Diagram in hyperspace.
[16:42:32] <n1> sometimes it takes a bit of forcinh
[16:42:35] <n1> forcing*
[16:42:46] <n1> but i assume thats the same for many languages and such
[16:42:57] <n1> i don't code so i'm not all that aware
[16:43:02] <Bytram|afk> yeah, but whenever possible, avoid the "!important" -- it'll only bite ya later!
[16:43:28] * n1 takes note
[16:43:36] <zizban> OK the story is in the que if someone wants to check it over
[16:43:41] <n1> will do, zizban
[16:43:42] <janrinok> hail n1 - receiver of bad aereo news!
[16:43:54] <zizban> oooh and I got to put first story for tomorrow on oooooooooooooooooo
[16:44:06] <n1> lol, hey janrinok
[16:44:14] <janrinok> how's things?
[16:45:43] <janrinok> if anyone gets bored - I also have a few stories that need checking please...
[16:45:59] <zizban> I didnt check display...d'oh
[16:46:05] <n1> i'm about to check zizbans
[16:46:09] <n1> and i'll also check yours, janrinok
[16:46:12] <janrinok> yes, I had noticed that
[16:46:18] <zizban> I have a student coming soon so I cant
[16:46:27] <n1> but otherewise, i'm generally disillusioned with the world around me
[16:46:29] <n1> but it's not new
[16:46:29] <janrinok> hail n1 - the checker of other peoples stories!
[16:46:57] <janrinok> Disillusionment is good - the only way is up!
[16:47:28] <janrinok> I might have been watching too much of the re-run of I Claudius. All this 'hailing' and things
[16:48:17] <zizban> Thou has not me thinks
[16:48:53] <janrinok> thx zizban, I was beginning to worry for a moment...
[16:49:06] <zizban> Hey, anytime :)
[16:52:06] <n1> zizban, a few minor changes to your story but nothing major - replaced <br> tags, formatted title and shortened the monorail link, as it's just a reference for what a monorail is, not an additional source for the story.
[16:52:21] <zizban> Cool
[16:52:43] * n1 gets his red pen out for marking janrinok's work
[16:52:57] <zizban> Ya you are correct about the link
[16:53:41] <zizban> Looks better indeed
[16:54:47] <janrinok> oh dear - n1 has his red pen out...
[16:55:14] <n1> format catches my eye more than anything else, so my stories might only just be readable, but damn it they will look tidy
[16:55:53] <zizban> LOL nothing wrong with that
[16:56:05] <janrinok> ah, appearance over content... the pair of you. I'm doomed.
[16:56:23] <zizban> LOL
[16:56:37] <zizban> You now readers will nitpick if we didn't
[16:57:21] <janrinok> now=know? nitpicking...
[16:57:47] <zizban> just like that
[16:57:51] <janrinok> rofl
[16:58:06] <n1> lol
[16:58:09] <janrinok> I'll bet you are just praying for a student to arrive, aren't you?
[16:59:02] <zizban> I am ::weeps::
[16:59:05] <zizban> And she's here
[16:59:08] <zizban> bbl
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[17:02:12] Bytram|afk is now known as Bytram
[17:07:54] <janrinok> hi again Bytram
[17:08:04] <Bytram> hi
[17:08:15] <janrinok> n1: thx for that
[17:08:47] <n1> dont think ive ever seen the queue so ahead of time, mind blown.
[17:09:05] <Bytram> nod nod
[17:09:28] <janrinok> we were saying earlier - the extra 2 eds have made a lot of difference. Convenient spread of tz and effort.
[17:13:09] <n1> good times
[17:13:31] <n1> it's refreshing to not have to rush to get the queue a few hours ahead
[17:13:51] <janrinok> exactly - LamX said the very same thing.
[17:14:32] <Bytram> agreed!
[17:15:11] <Bytram> but, we need to keep an eye open for the possibility of rescheduling things when a "fresh" story comes in, too.
[17:15:26] <janrinok> I'm going to have to go afk for an hour or two - speak to you good gentlemen later.
[17:15:37] <Bytram> janrinok: Ciao for now!
[17:15:42] janrinok is now known as janrinok|afk
[17:15:55] <n1> laters,janrinok|afk
[17:16:19] <n1> Bytram, rescheduling is a very good idea, i have moved my own stories around for various reasons
[17:16:35] <n1> but am hesitant to move someone elses without discussing it first
[17:16:43] <Bytram> not that I expect we'll need to do it often, but it's good to keep in the back on one's mind.
[17:17:14] <n1> i think we're shooting ourselves in the foot if a breaking story comes in, and we dont run it because the queue is full
[17:17:27] <Bytram> nod nod
[17:17:32] <Bytram> NOD NOD!! =)
[17:18:23] <n1> it's all quite subjective though
[17:18:58] <Bytram> yup. That's why they pay us the BIG bucks!
[17:19:01] <Bytram> ;)
[17:19:16] <n1> lol
[17:20:33] * Bytram needs to be getting about getting ready for the day job... have fun folks!
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[17:20:58] <n1> take care Bytram
[17:21:07] <n1> a pleasure as always
[17:21:11] <Bytram|away> n1: thanks! same to you!
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[17:27:42] <mrcoolbp> Azrael, what time-zone are you in?
[17:27:59] * mrcoolbp adds Azrael to editors wiki page
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[19:57:21] <Azrael> mrcoolbp: UTC+0
[20:35:38] <n1> hi Azrael, wb janrinok
[20:38:33] <janrinok> hi n1
[20:39:14] <janrinok> hi Azrael
[20:39:33] <Azrael> n1: hihi
[20:39:35] <Azrael> janrinok: hihi
[20:39:45] <janrinok> having a good day?
[20:40:05] <Azrael> yeaaaaaaah except for having to go into the office :/
[20:40:44] <janrinok> yes, I used to find that work got in the way of my social life - so I retired! Now, I haven't got a social life...!
[20:41:15] <Azrael> lol
[20:42:33] * n1 looks back all rose tinted
[20:42:46] <janrinok> last 3 stories out are all Az's
[20:43:23] <janrinok> ...and NCommander posted 1. The editorial team grows still further. Tomorrow - The World!
[20:43:36] <n1> lol
[20:44:01] <n1> i'm still genuinely annoyed about microsoft/nokia/android
[20:44:17] <janrinok> in what way?
[20:44:47] <n1> i remember when nokia made the best phones, then smartphones happened, and the people running nokia killed it by partnering with microsoft
[20:44:56] <n1> and now, microsofts first nokia phone runs android...
[20:45:12] <janrinok> Ah the old MS technique - buy em out and bury them
[20:45:20] <LaminatorX> https://www.youtube.com
[20:46:04] <LaminatorX> I miss the Nokia's I used to get. Great signal everywhere I went.
[20:46:08] <n1> been a while since i last heard that
[20:46:27] <LaminatorX> I figured we needed a theme song.
[20:46:35] <n1> Nokia 3210 or 6210
[20:47:04] <janrinok> I'm still using 2 very old Nokias. They still work, still act like telephones should and they have earned their keep many times.
[20:47:21] <n1> was still using 6210's at work in 08, and they still make them apparently.
[20:47:25] <janrinok> nothing else - just telephones
[20:47:33] <LaminatorX> I've got an LG flipphone, because Star trek.
[20:47:39] <janrinok> lol
[20:47:43] <n1> lol, nice
[20:48:01] <janrinok> So LamX are you currently writing a theme tune for the Editors from Soylent?
[20:48:53] <LaminatorX> Nah, I'm a horrible lyricist. It's only since I've started mining Tolkien for lyrics that I've become a prolific writer.
[20:50:34] <janrinok> .. a simple ballad about the tribulations of being an Ed, small submission queues, always being criticised, the long hours, one's only friends are names on a computer screen. There must be something in Tolkien that covers that lot.
[20:51:18] <LaminatorX> This one's pretty close: http://tolkien.cro.net
[20:51:56] <janrinok> Yes! just slap a tune on that!
[21:40:57] <janrinok> time for me to wend my way - cu guys tomorrow
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