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[13:42:11] <Bytram|away> Hi!
[13:43:23] <Bytram|away> I just put a story in the queue; would much appreciate a look at it.
[13:45:04] <Bytram|away> thanks!
[13:45:40] <Bytram|away> gotta get ready to go to work; will check in before I leave.
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[15:16:50] <janrinok> hi guys
[15:16:58] <paulej72> hi janrinok
[15:17:43] <mrcoolbp> yo
[15:18:03] <mrcoolbp> Janrinok: LamX posted a story with no link
[15:18:05] <mrcoolbp> = )
[15:18:31] <mrcoolbp> I'll note the submission didn't actually have a link....still kinda humurous though
[15:29:46] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: ok which one?
[15:30:06] <mrcoolbp> http://soylentnews.org
[15:30:21] <janrinok> looking
[15:30:37] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: I fixed it already
[15:31:08] <janrinok> Ah OK, I was going to say that it has a link on my screen! How's things with you?
[15:31:38] <mrcoolbp> alright, still being mocked about the vote (read the comments on that article)
[15:32:35] <janrinok> where - I can't see a vote story?
[15:33:58] <janrinok> still not found - but a bit of mocking will do you no harm. Now, a lot of mocking.... well that's a different story.
[15:34:18] <mrcoolbp> no I mean on the article I just linked
[15:34:40] <mrcoolbp> (/me thinks it's a lot because they are *still* doing it on recent articles)
[15:37:38] <janrinok> It's not your fault - but the name vote _is_ taking an inordinate amount of time to resolve. I've seen the conversations on here but to many members it looks like something of a cock-up. In fact, I wish they would have the second vote, and then someone, anyone would decide on a name and we can all move on.
[15:38:55] <janrinok> That's not to criticise any of the hard work that has been done in the background by yourself and others, but I would rather we were concentrating on improving the site _content_.
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[15:41:03] <mrcoolbp> I get all that, but we were criticised for not allowing enough time before, and it was paused temporarily
[15:41:19] <mrcoolbp> it's back underway though and will hopefully be resolved soon
[15:42:52] <janrinok> Take it easy - I'm not criticising anyone. And I know the very good reasons that it has panned out the way it has. I think that in future we should have a little less democracy and a little more autocracy - if we, the staff, agree it makes sense, then let's do it.
[15:44:05] <janrinok> Other than that - I hope that you are well? Let LamX take a mocking for his missing link....
[15:45:59] <janrinok> I am absolutely knackered - I've not had a day off for several months but I start a week off beginning this evening. My wife and I have some chilling planned for the next week or so, but it depends on how well she copes with travelling.
[15:46:13] <youngatheart> just for the record, as a non-staff, I am in favor of decisions that have consensus and not terribly high impact being made without consulting me
[15:47:02] <mrcoolbp> youngatheart: it was a promise that was made a long time ago that we are delivering on, but your stance is duly noted. Thank you.
[15:47:34] <youngatheart> mrcoolbp: I'm also a big stickler for sticking to promises no matter how much of a nuisance, and it is appreciated.
[15:47:34] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: sorry, didn't mean to sound combative at all, it just seems we are damned if we do damned if we don't with this damned thing = )
[15:47:45] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: I hope you enjoy a week off!
[15:48:09] <janrinok> youngatheart: thanks for that - I have picked up similar comments in various threads. But, whatever we do, _someone_ will complain. While most support what we do, they tend to remain the silent majority. But those that want to complain can get very vocal and personal at times. I never expected it quite to much when I took on the job, although I don't get put off as much by it nowadays.
[15:48:53] * youngatheart is jealous and wants a week off too to chill with his wife, youngatheart's wife that is, not janrinok's
[15:49:11] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: perhaps we are both a bit tired... Sorry if I came across a bit too heavy there as well... ;-)
[15:49:18] <mrcoolbp> janrionk: yeah I'm with you. but picture this situation like this: you post one terrible article, and each subsequent article people continue to complain about that first one = )
[15:49:54] <mrcoolbp> despite our the explanation and legitimate reasons for it being less-than-ideal
[15:50:04] <janrinok> Tell me about it...... Although I think that most have forgotten the 'DO NOT RELEASE -For Training Only' story....
[15:50:07] * mrcoolbp 's analogy begins to break down
[15:50:31] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: I certainly haven't, but don't mock you constantly = )
[15:50:37] <youngatheart> speaking of articles, I came on IRC to ask about the London Black Cab vs Uber thing, I thought I remembered a recent SoylentNews article on the subject and should reference it if I'm submitting a story, but I don't see it, was it just my imagination?
[15:50:37] <janrinok> mattie_p still remembers it too
[15:51:09] <mrcoolbp> youngatheart did you try searching for it? I don't recall that specific one
[15:51:31] <janrinok> I don't remember it and can't see it in the story list. As it is UK I would normally pay particular notice to it, youngatheart
[15:51:36] <youngatheart> mrcoolbp: I did search, but didn't find anything
[15:51:36] * mrcoolbp notes that wasn't meant to sound snarky
[15:52:23] <Woods> Janrinok: Looks like some numbers were off in the "Deal Imminent For UK ISP Piracy Letters" story, they have been fixed.
[15:52:25] <youngatheart> I know I saw a story somewhere, might have been another site, just didn't want to re-hash unnecessarily, thanks
[15:52:27] <janrinok> youngatheart: submit it - get your name in lights. Fame, riches, girls all await you if you submit the best ever story....
[15:52:38] <mrcoolbp> we have a lot of articles at this point, it could be buried somewhere, but I'm not sure youngatheart. Also I'm demonstrably too tired to say anything definitive at this point
[15:52:46] <janrinok> Failing that, I will be grateful...
[15:53:00] <mrcoolbp> lol
[15:53:16] <youngatheart> janrinok: 1) I have and am still waiting and 2) does my wife have to know about the girls?
[15:53:43] <janrinok> just you, us and 4300+ members - no-one else will know...
[15:53:58] <youngatheart> awesome
[15:54:08] <mattie_p> janrinok of course I remember!
[15:54:10] <Woods> Janrinok, Youngatheart: 4300+ REGISTERED users... Do not forget the anonymous ones!
[15:54:26] <janrinok> hi Woods - I obviously had.....
[15:55:00] <janrinok> thanks mattie_p - always there when needed! How's your daughter doing?
[15:55:27] <mattie_p> she is home now, getting much much better. back at school full time this past week so almost normal
[15:55:36] <mrcoolbp> youngatheart: I'm not seeing the submission
[15:55:55] <janrinok> good to hear. Best wishes to you all and I hope it is soon behind you.
[15:58:34] <janrinok> youngatheart: what title did you use - doesn't have to be exact, but I can't see the submission either.
[16:01:03] <youngatheart> sorry, that was unclear, I've already submitted stuff but not yet for this topic today
[16:01:16] <janrinok> Woods: Good spot on those figures, even after i RE-read it I didn't see it. I _am_ tired...
[16:01:24] <youngatheart> I will try to be more clear in my submission
[16:02:04] <mattie_p> google search "site"soylentnews.org" with additional words "uber" "taxi" "cab" and "London" don't indicate any stories
[16:02:41] <janrinok> Hey - does that mean I'm as good as Google?
[16:03:01] <mattie_p> with respect to SN possibly
[16:04:50] <janrinok> that's right, always playing it down...
[16:05:03] <Woods> Janrinok: You were taking a break for a week or so right? When is that happening?
[16:05:33] <janrinok> starting after I finish editing the current batch of stories. So in an hour or two.
[16:05:46] <Woods> Oh, okay.
[16:06:03] <janrinok> You sound disappointed that I'm still here....?
[16:06:07] <Woods> Well thanks for getting a few more stories out before you go.
[16:06:15] <Woods> Disappointed that you are going, :P
[16:06:28] <mattie_p> well, he'll be back
[16:06:30] <Woods> My boss has been on vacation this whole week, so I have not been particularly useful to SN.
[16:06:37] <mattie_p> everyone needs time off from the site now and then
[16:06:38] <janrinok> its the military thing - leave always starts after you finish duty on a given day.
[16:06:42] <mattie_p> especially as we'lre not paid
[16:06:53] <mattie_p> s/lre/re/
[16:06:54] <Woods> Mattie_p: Yeah, but not for an entire week.
[16:07:12] <Woods> And my perception of time is all jacked up, it will seem like almost a Month.
[16:07:20] <mattie_p> I took a couple weeks off due to my daughter, so I'm in no position to judge
[16:07:21] <janrinok> mattie_p: I couldn't agree more. Woods: I couldn't disagree more :)
[16:08:12] <Woods> Oh no, I am not saying he should NOT take a break, I am just saying I will miss him while he is gone. Who will I make cheeky remarks to?!
[16:08:17] <janrinok> mattie_p: that was hardly a break!
[16:08:45] <mattie_p> I'm sure you'll find someone, Woods. Maybe time to make snarky remarks on the site
[16:08:46] <janrinok> I'm sure you will find someone Woods - LamX is always there if you need him :)
[16:08:56] <Woods> Wow you guys
[16:09:10] <mattie_p> wow, yeah
[16:09:10] <janrinok> its like an echo echo echo
[16:09:16] <mattie_p> channeling each other
[16:09:22] <mattie_p> must be that military background
[16:09:35] <Woods> That could have been way more creepy if Janrinok used more contractions.
[16:10:14] <janrinok> mattie_p: Yes, I apologised for that outburst on the thread - but it has been give +5 Funny. I just don't understand....
[16:10:24] <Woods> Ugh, I gotta go do a thing, I will be back later.
[16:11:24] <janrinok> brb
[16:11:37] <mattie_p> later folks
[16:22:36] <mrcoolbp> later
[17:04:35] <janrinok> Bye guys - off on my break, but might pop in from time to time. Good luck to the team!
[17:08:56] <mrcoolbp> have fun!
[17:09:41] <janrinok> thx - will try very hard to do so!
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[17:15:17] <Woods> Bye Janrinok!
[17:20:00] <Woods> On the matchstick art story: Thank GOD the last paragraph is there. The only thing I could think about the entire story was how he cut the heads off of those matchsticks.
[17:31:47] <mrcoolbp> lol
[17:38:44] <mattie_p> did he forget the US doesn't use the space shuttle any more?
[17:39:59] <mrcoolbp> he probably started it back when they did = )
[17:41:48] <mattie_p> 1950 man-hours is about 50 weeks
[17:41:54] <mattie_p> @40 hours a week
[17:42:03] <mattie_p> somehow I suspect he does more than that tho
[17:44:28] <mrcoolbp> yeah, I estimated about a year using similar-though-slightly-different thought-process
[17:45:11] <mrcoolbp> mattie_p, though he did ask for a check, I think bytram broke the carnal editor rule
[17:45:17] <mrcoolbp> http://soylentnews.org
[17:45:20] <mattie_p> complete in 2012, last shuttle flight was 2011
[17:45:37] <mrcoolbp> mattie_p I was just joking
[17:45:51] <mrcoolbp> I think the shuttle is actually the challenger
[17:45:53] <mattie_p> yeah, but you might have been accurate
[17:46:12] <mrcoolbp> it was slightly plausible, that's why it's funny
[17:46:14] <mattie_p> says atlantis
[17:46:18] <mrcoolbp> = (
[17:46:28] <mrcoolbp> he has another model of challenger I think I saw
[17:46:34] <mrcoolbp> with the launch station and everythign
[17:47:11] <mrcoolbp> isn't Editor Rule # 1 "Thou shalt not post thy own story" ?
[17:47:27] <mattie_p> yeah, kind of bad form there
[17:47:30] <mrcoolbp> we should add that to one of the editor docs
[17:47:36] <mattie_p> I don't know that its rule #1, but its on there
[17:49:00] <mattie_p> I think rule #1 is "thou shalt not post a story without checking thine spelling and all of thy story links"
[17:49:14] <mrcoolbp> heh okay
[17:52:37] <Woods> I notice it looked like something he would draft, but I did not pay that much attention that it was actually him... Given the difference in the names.
[17:54:18] <mrcoolbp> $rev martyb
[19:11:10] <mrcoolbp> ---==Editors==---
[19:11:16] <mrcoolbp> I just added this: http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[19:11:38] <mrcoolbp> feel free to move it around and expand on it (or If I missed it being somewhere else delete it or whatever)
[20:37:56] <Woods> Mrcoolbp: Looks good, perhaps we should add "Do not edit quoted material. [Except for clarity by using square brackets]"
[20:38:42] <mrcoolbp> add whatever you like, I'm off to a wedding!
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