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[02:43:01] <paulej72> n1 I just double checed your recent articles. I noticed nothing out of the ordinarly and the links looked good.
[02:48:58] <n1> thanks for that, paulej72
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[04:44:24] <Bytram> n1: Hi there! How's it going?
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[04:48:23] <Bytram> mrcoolbp: Hey there!
[04:48:29] <mrcoolbp> yo
[04:48:32] <mrcoolbp> sup?
[04:48:53] <Bytram> jst playing around trying to edit stories - kinda fun..
[04:49:00] <mrcoolbp> cool
[04:49:00] <Bytram> though I'm stil messing up once in a while.
[04:49:04] <mrcoolbp> happens
[04:49:06] <Bytram> hmm
[04:49:24] <Bytram> do you know a way to pull a story bacfk into the submission queue?
[04:50:05] <Bytram> I was trying to clean it up, but somehow made it go into the active story list: http://soylentnews.org
[04:51:05] <Bytram> after looking at it for a bit, it seems more like a slashvertisement for Siemens. And the damn has not hit any particular milestone that I could tell.
[04:51:10] <mrcoolbp> nope, I'd just keep it's display unchecked until we decide to run it or delete it
[04:51:28] <Bytram> sounds like a plan.
[04:52:08] <Bytram> I have the "release date" set for 04/30 02:50 ... I suppose I can push that out further. brb
[04:52:13] <Bytram> thanks for the help!!!!!!!!!!
[05:00:25] <mrcoolbp> bytram: I still see that story so it's all good, but careful, I think I sent one so far in the future it went to dev/null
[05:01:52] <Bytram> sounds like a possible work around. thanks!
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[14:14:03] <Bytram> Hi all! Story queue is running out.
[14:14:45] <Bytram> I've got one in the queue set to go in about 30 minutes or so (could use a review) and then the queue will be empty.
[14:15:36] <Bytram> I need to get ready for my day job, so I hope someone can put something else up soon.
[14:22:59] <Bytram> BTW, please take a look at: http://soylentnews.org
[14:38:03] <Bytram> I pushed the story back about 15 minutes to give us some more breathing room.
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[14:45:32] <LaminatorX> So, Bytram, what are your thoughts on this Siemens story?
[14:52:32] <n1> i'll be here to do some stories in an hour or two
[14:53:12] <LaminatorX> Cool, the bin is brimming.
[14:57:14] <Bytram> LaminatorX: hi! only got a couple minutes...
[14:57:35] <LaminatorX> Thanks for squeezing in those stroes then.
[14:57:42] <LaminatorX> "storis"
[14:57:46] <Bytram> I like the tech on the dam, but the whole story smells of an advert for Siemen's "powerline" thing.
[14:57:47] <LaminatorX> "stories"
[14:57:50] <Bytram> LOL!
[14:58:11] * LaminatorX hasn't had his coffee yet.
[14:58:11] <Mattiep> hey folks
[14:58:18] <LaminatorX> Hi Mattie.
[14:58:18] <Bytram> and nothing much, that I could tel, has happened recently wrt to either of them
[14:58:28] <Bytram> Mattiep: HI!!!!
[14:58:47] <Mattiep> been a while since I've been able to get on consistently and healthy, what's up?
[14:58:53] <Bytram> LaminatorX: so, I'm of a mind to delete the siemens story.
[14:59:08] <LaminatorX> The siemens link seems to be timing out at the moment. If you gotta go, I'll see if I can find another source for it, perhaps with commentary.
[14:59:20] <Bytram> Mattiep: up? That's the direction that I've never been able to fall
[14:59:30] <Mattiep> I get the link just fine
[14:59:55] <LaminatorX> That's interesting.
[14:59:55] <Bytram> LaminatorX: I'd sooner just kill it. Just wanted someone else to eyeball it. Really smells like a "slashvertisement", yanno?
[15:00:41] <LaminatorX> Well, I don't think AT is astroturfing for Siemens, but it would be good to have a source besides wiki and a press release.
[15:00:50] <Mattiep> well, its only based off a press release, but its 2.12 gigavolts or something!
[15:01:21] <Bytram> there's a car at the bottom of the dam?
[15:01:26] <LaminatorX> I'll see what I can turn up, and if nothing presents itself, we'll let it die.
[15:01:47] <Bytram> that sounds like a plan!
[15:02:16] <Bytram> btw, the story list shows me working on three atom thick story, but I'm not. ??!?
[15:02:26] <Bytram> (at the bottom of the admin page)
[15:02:46] <Mattiep> were you looking at that? It typically shows the last story you looked at
[15:02:48] <LaminatorX> It'll show the last one you looked at for a while.
[15:03:01] <Bytram> ooohhhhh!! thanks!
[15:04:31] <LaminatorX> It looks like the references drom the dam's wiki article have some meat on them.
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[15:06:29] <Bytram> hrmm? maybe some of that could be pulled into the story summary? OTOH, how timely is the story? I saw nothing to suggest that anything had really happened recently.
[15:07:01] <Bytram> afk - gtg shave
[15:07:04] <Mattiep> I saw some links talking about it from december
[15:08:33] <Mattiep> well, links about the tech, but looks like this is the completion?
[15:10:00] <Mattiep> http://tdworld.com (2009)
[15:16:23] <Bytram> ok, I gota be quick here.
[15:16:30] <Bytram> someone please take a look at: http://soylentnews.org
[15:16:40] <Bytram> looks like it IS a word-for-word dupe from /.
[15:17:34] <Bytram> also, current poll is about *submitting* names for a vote; I think the first ranking vote ended sunday. we could use an update on status.
[15:19:18] <Woods> Bytram: It is almost exactly the same. Maybe 2 or 3 words different.
[15:20:09] <Bytram> yup. I stopped reading /. since the slashcott; so would not have noticed. we should keep an eye for submissions from the same nick
[15:20:58] <Bytram> could also be that it was swubmitted to both /. and SN, and we just ran with it later?
[15:21:15] <Woods> One from Papas Fritas, one from Kaszz
[15:23:29] <Bytram> okay, I *really* gtg; HAVE FUN everybody!
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[15:26:34] <Woods> I think I will be pretty busy with work today, so I may not be able to help out too much.
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[15:31:15] <LaminatorX> I've responded to the x-posted story complaint.
[15:37:33] <Woods> I gotta go check on my boss, he is switching over the phone system today and might actually need my help.
[15:37:34] <Woods> AFK
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[16:13:02] <janrinok> hi guys
[16:13:50] <n1> uhoh
[16:13:56] <mrcoolbp> crap he's back!
[16:13:58] * mrcoolbp hides
[16:14:03] <n1> LaminatorX, we both just did the same story :|
[16:14:24] <janrinok> he he he ....
[16:14:42] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: hi
[16:14:43] <n1> this was after me choosing a different story because Woods was already doing my first choice.
[16:15:12] <janrinok> n1 - now remember to look at the bottom of the edit page whenever you open an edit.....
[16:15:17] <janrinok> rofl
[16:15:23] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: Hi! BTW that wiki is just the txt from the html file, I have a number of links in there, trying to get a real version up on .dev or staff instance for review
[16:15:42] <n1> I did....
[16:15:43] <janrinok> OK - understood. I liked it anyway
[16:15:50] <n1> thats how i knew Woods was doing the other story
[16:15:54] <n1> when i looked it was only me and woods
[16:15:59] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: I was mostly looking for criticisms on questions to add/remove (and corrections like typos and stuff)
[16:16:01] <janrinok> n1 - so , remember Rule 2 - Blame LamX!
[16:16:14] * mrcoolbp writes rule # 2 down
[16:16:37] <janrinok> just because he's back doesn't mean we have to stop blaming him...
[16:16:44] <mrcoolbp> = )
[16:16:59] <janrinok> the responsibility of being a TL
[16:17:25] <mrcoolbp> eh, go easy on him, the TL responsibilities can be crushing = )
[16:18:00] <janrinok> lol
[16:19:02] <janrinok> now of course, Rule 1 of being a TL is that you can blame someone in your team. And my sig is 'it's always my fault' so I expect incoming pretty soon....
[16:20:15] * mrcoolbp blames janrinok
[16:20:25] <n1> i'm getting really quite sick of these UK gov selling data stories.
[16:20:59] <mrcoolbp> I'm getting really quite sick of these UK gov selling data
[16:21:06] <mrcoolbp> = )
[16:21:12] <janrinok> get the pitchforks for n1 - can I come back and join in the revolution in London?
[16:21:27] <n1> well yes, that too
[16:21:44] <n1> i'm pretty sure you'll be arrested for carrying the pitchfork to the revolution
[16:21:49] <n1> dangerous weapon and all that
[16:22:19] <janrinok> It'll be ok, I usually write xlefay's name on anything like that....
[16:22:44] <n1> lol
[16:23:12] <n1> mrcoolbp, what actually angers me more is the UK populations total apathy to things like selling every bit of data, or the spying on every communication
[16:23:57] <mrcoolbp> sure that too
[16:24:09] <n1> much like the general US attitude about spying on other, even allied nations, "that's their jobs" .... the UK public seems to think it's the governments job to spy on the local population.
[16:24:49] <n1> and if they can make more money by selling our data, well then they're operating like 'UK PLC', which is apparently what we want.
[16:26:27] <n1> i think we're just used to being 'subjects'.
[16:28:41] * janrinok notes that n1 is in fine form today...
[16:30:23] <n1> lol
[16:31:22] <n1> i get really frustrated that no one gives a shit about anything, i've been told that we should be fracking because it wont be happening here, the evironmental impact wont be Londons problem.
[16:33:15] <LaminatorX> I've been living by "Blame LamX" for years now.
[16:33:31] <n1> hah
[16:33:43] <n1> well as long as i can blame either you or janrinok, i'm happy. ;)
[16:33:56] <janrinok> Hi LamX
[16:34:31] <janrinok> honest, n1 made me do it, I didn't want to say it at all....
[16:34:34] <mrcoolbp> guys the stories are dropping quite quickly today right?
[16:35:14] <janrinok> we're not into Nagging stage yet
[16:35:39] <LaminatorX> The bin is full, let the presses roll.
[16:35:57] <mrcoolbp> cool
[16:36:34] <LaminatorX> And we've only almost duped eachother once.
[16:49:47] <mrcoolbp> only almost once = )
[16:53:56] <LaminatorX> Frankly, it's refreshing to have enough active editors that it's even a risk.
[16:55:39] <Woods> Speaking of duplicates, apparently /. posted the giant floppy disk story about an hour ago, and we posted ours half an hour after that. And look at that, they look identical.
[16:56:53] <LaminatorX> I think Hugh Pickens and Pappas Fritas must be the same guy.
[16:57:34] <janrinok> I've slightly modified and released martyb's story - anyone has any objections?
[16:58:08] <n1> LaminatorX, i wouldn't be surprised.
[16:58:13] <janrinok> lol
[16:58:32] <n1> the 'style' is very much the same
[16:58:48] <janrinok> well, as long as _we_ are happy - and we _are_ a happy little team aren't we? - then who cares?
[16:58:49] <LaminatorX> I was thining of adding this to the dam story, Janrinok: http://journal.probeinternational.org
[16:58:49] <Woods> Maybe he is just browsing through the firehose at the other site?
[16:59:24] <n1> seems good to me, janrinok
[16:59:28] <LaminatorX> That's the less charitable possability, Woods.
[16:59:50] <janrinok> LaminatorX: yes please - add that!
[16:59:53] <LaminatorX> This is the second Hugh<->Pappas match that I've seen though.
[17:00:14] <Woods> But Hugh is one of the major posters on the other site, why would he come to us?
[17:01:13] <n1> i'd like to say because we're awesome
[17:01:16] <n1> but i don't think that's it...
[17:01:16] <LaminatorX> He wants traffic for his blog, one way or another I suppose.
[17:01:17] <Woods> :)
[17:01:25] <Woods> I will look into it more
[17:02:10] <n1> the website Pappas Fritas links to doesn't seem like it would be really benefiting from submitting stories to either site.
[17:02:39] <janrinok> look out also for papas fritas contact link - it is often not an email but sometimes to a site promoting some town in America, and sometimes to a blog. I change both to his SN home page.
[17:03:08] <n1> i've only ever seen it to the town promotion
[17:03:09] <Woods> I do the same, Janrinok.
[17:03:15] <n1> which i questioned before, and was told it was ok to leave that
[17:03:53] <janrinok> I've seen 3 links now, I think, but that is over several weeks and I cannot remember what they are/were.
[17:04:49] <janrinok> I'm wondering if he is just seeing if he can get links through, and then when he knows the success rate he might change the link to something more self-serving?
[17:05:19] <janrinok> Another user linked to an 'adult' site which took me 'hours' to check out.....
[17:05:22] <LaminatorX> HughPickens.com redirects to random promo links as well. it's gotta be the same guy or PR firm.
[17:05:51] <Woods> I will find out... Woods, the Internet Sleuth, is...
[17:05:54] * Woods puts on sunglasses
[17:05:57] <Woods> On the case.
[17:06:02] <n1> its the same person
[17:06:10] <Woods> Case closed.
[17:06:12] <n1> hughpickens.com whois
[17:06:20] <n1> " Ponca City,"
[17:06:25] * janrinok notes Woods has just walked into the door. He shouldn't wear dark glasses indoors.
[17:07:01] <n1> unless Ponca City is the place for aspiring tech writers...
[17:07:08] <Woods> lol, I doubt it
[17:07:24] <Woods> I used to live near Ponca...
[17:07:50] <LaminatorX> Where the wind comes racing 'cross the plains.
[17:08:14] * janrinok notes it looks like the Americans are about to burst into song....
[17:08:17] <Woods> Sweeping, LamX... The wind sweeps. geeze.
[17:08:34] <Woods> Not with the wrong lyrics!
[17:08:45] <Woods> Anyway.... Should we like, talk to him or something?
[17:08:56] * LaminatorX feels the musical theater cred pouting from his wounds.
[17:09:04] <Woods> I am very curious as to why he is on both sites.
[17:09:39] <janrinok> I don't mind where the submitters come from - as long as they are not playing the submission roulette game.
[17:09:59] <n1> looking at his tourismish site, it doesn't seem like it gets a lot of updates, or his 'hughpickens' site
[17:10:29] <mrcoolbp> BRB
[17:10:41] <n1> http://researchandideas.com seems to be his 'main' site
[17:11:15] <LaminatorX> He's a benign sort of astroturf, I think. If we get sick of people complaining about the parallel stories, we can pass on them. They're generally good content though, and they keep coming even as we strip his non-sequiter links.
[17:11:39] <n1> Hugh Pickens (Po-Hi '67) is a physicist who has explored for oil in the Amazon jungle, crossed the empty quarter of Saudi Arabia, and built satellite control stations for NASA all over the world. Retired in 1999, Pickens and his wife moved back to his hometown of Ponca City, Oklahoma in 2005 where he cultivates his square foot garden, mows nine acres of lawn, and writes about local history
[17:11:39] <n1> and photographs local events at the Poncan Theatre and Ponca Playhouse. Since 2001 Pickens has edited and published “Peace Corps Online,” serving over one million pageviews monthly. His other writing includes contributing over 1,400 stories to “Slashdot: News for Nerds,” and articles for Wikipedia, “Ponca City, We Love You”, and Peace Corps Worldwide.
[17:12:50] <LaminatorX> 1400 stories, wow.
[17:12:51] <janrinok> take all sorts I suppose...
[17:13:24] <n1> At first I assumed he was a student trying to get his credibility and experience up by having things published.
[17:13:35] <n1> Shows how good assumptions are.
[17:13:55] <Woods> Maybe he just likes us.
[17:14:16] <LaminatorX> Here's what I posted this morning in response to the x-site complaint: http://soylentnews.org
[17:14:17] <n1> ...because we're awesome
[17:14:46] <n1> i think that's the appropriate response
[17:15:04] <Woods> Wait. I have an idea. (Dangerous)
[17:15:24] <Woods> If we fast-track everything Papas Fritas submits, then the other site will look like they are copying US.
[17:15:45] <n1> haha
[17:15:51] <n1> i like that
[17:16:27] <Woods> Given then I accepted the submission at 8:30AM (My time) but set it to post at 9:30. The other site had it posted at 9:03.
[17:17:48] <Woods> Or would that just make for a weird "arms" race where Hugh Fritas becomes the most-wanted tech writer on the internets?
[17:18:12] <LaminatorX> Ponca's favorite son indeed.
[17:18:26] <n1> i don't know if it would work, or be good really... but it would be nice
[17:18:49] <n1> although we'd never know unless we check his stories on the old site
[17:18:57] <n1> to see if they get comments about it already being up here
[17:19:49] <LaminatorX> I don't see any harm in trying to scoop /. on Hush/Pappas material, but I'm not loosing any sleep over them being on both sites either.
[17:20:19] <n1> the comments complaining that the old site ran it before us will stop eventually, i think.
[17:20:40] <n1> i'm not losing sleep over it either, if anything we're keeping with tradition.
[17:21:04] <LaminatorX> I hope you're right. We're self-selected for emphatic complaining though, by virtue of our origin.
[17:21:42] <Woods> I think that is starting to become your motto, LamX
[17:21:54] <janrinok> There are times when we have to work hard to just do our normal role - I don't think I'm going to be spending time updating the sub list just to see if I can fast track a papas fritas story.
[17:21:54] <LaminatorX> Think of it as a dupe.
[17:22:35] <LaminatorX> (That was to Woods)
[17:23:51] <Woods> It appears that Hugh Fritas is at least submitting them to both sites at the same time. I will try to fast track one, and see how it goes.
[17:23:53] <LaminatorX> If you're looking through stories and once catches your eye and you feel like fast-tracking it, by all means do. If not, that's fine too. This isn't worth bending over backwards for.
[17:24:39] <Woods> Unrelated: The "High Voltage" story is posted on 5/30. Perhaps a date change is in order?
[17:25:13] <janrinok> ..and we don't know how many we may have already beaten /. to the punch with, perhaps they are having their 'audience' complain too?
[17:25:49] <janrinok> Woods: martyb put it there and I've just left it there. Perhaps he wants to see it go out. I'm happy if it fills a slot.
[17:26:36] <Woods> Janrinok: I will check through for duplicate stories between the sites and see if we got one off before they did, otherwise, if/when we get a Hugh Fritas story out first, I will definitely watch it at the other site to see if anything is mentioned.
[17:26:40] <Woods> You know... For science.
[17:27:13] <janrinok> whatever floats your boat.
[17:27:28] <LaminatorX> I recall them getting zinged when we scooped them on some things early on. I haven't been on their much though.
[17:27:45] <Woods> It does indeed. My boat is SO floated right now.
[17:27:50] <n1> i don't go on the other site at all anymore
[17:27:55] <janrinok> I have effectively forgotten the other site unless my attention is drawn to it by something said on here.
[17:28:00] <n1> yup
[17:28:15] <Woods> I only go there for the Astronomy articles. The crowd here does not much care for them. :(
[17:28:45] <n1> i've noticed that, astronomy is something i know shit about but it did seem to be quite popular on the old site
[17:28:57] <n1> here, not so much.
[17:29:22] <Woods> It is quite baffling, n1. 76 views on the last one I wrote.
[17:29:28] <janrinok> I used to report quite a few but they didn't get many comments
[17:29:52] <janrinok> perhaps it was my crap reporting....
[17:29:54] <n1> i'll tend to post them for 'overnight' now, which probably doesnt help either
[17:30:06] <janrinok> overnight where?
[17:30:15] <n1> for the US
[17:30:54] <n1> 00:00-10:00 UTC
[17:30:54] <Woods> This is true, but they have way fewer views/comments than even the surrounding posts.
[17:31:18] <n1> when the traffic usually slows down anyway
[17:31:33] <n1> but it doesnt make much difference as the good ones get picked up later in the day by the commenters
[17:31:56] <Woods> The most recent one though was at 9 this morning (US time).
[17:32:09] <Woods> I am sure it will catch up eventually.
[17:32:10] <LaminatorX> A lot of people read but don't comment if it's outside their expertise.
[17:32:19] <janrinok> OK, got to go for a while - cu guys later.
[17:32:27] <LaminatorX> Ciao
[17:32:32] <n1> laters, janrinok
[17:32:37] <Woods> Bye
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[17:33:47] <Woods> Oohh, apparently I am eligible to disable advertising on the other site.
[17:34:00] <LaminatorX> I think that's why the vaguely political stuff gets so hot, it's not so much that they're flamebait, it's that way more people have an opinion as compared to quantum mechanics.
[17:34:15] <LaminatorX> Burn some Karma, did you?
[17:34:33] <LaminatorX> Oh, I read that wrong.
[17:35:01] <n1> everyone has an opinion on subjective stuff, some of the pure science/tech stuff doesn't leave a lot of room for discussion
[17:35:02] <Woods> I think you are right, LamX.
[17:35:06] <LaminatorX> I'd been eligable for years, but never did until slashcott.
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[18:02:11] <Woods> I only looked back by a week, but it seems that we have not posted a story before they did in that time.
[18:02:59] <Woods> There are a couple of pending stories (for them) that we have already posted though, but it appears that Hugh likes to dupe his own stories with different titles.
[18:04:23] <LaminatorX> I'm not surprised they're a bit faster than us. The impression that I get from them is that they're tossing stories onto their sub-nexuses pretty quickly, and then picking from those to go to main page.
[18:05:23] <LaminatorX> We queue things forward more often, out of necessity given our staffing.
[18:05:28] <Woods> mmhmm
[18:05:49] <Woods> I try to not go past 2 hours ahead, but if I get busy, that can be problematic.
[18:06:53] <n1> well one would think their editors actually have it as their job/priority, while we're all doing it inbetween ours. so I would expect a bit more efficiency.
[18:07:30] <Woods> At least we are better multitaskers... ?
[18:08:49] <LaminatorX> I think they only have one person whose actual job is "Editor." The rest are devs and admins.
[18:09:01] <Woods> Huh.
[18:09:27] <n1> either way, the site is still a main focus and an paying the bills for some of them.
[18:09:42] <LaminatorX> Before NCommander changed it, there were no differences in slash between editors and site admins. everyone was god.
[18:10:06] <n1> yeah i remember that being talked about
[18:10:42] <LaminatorX> This design choice made sense when it was Taco, Neal, Hemos et al living under one roof and running the site together, but then it never got changed.
[18:18:37] LaminatorX is now known as LaminatorX|out2lunch
[18:57:29] <Woods> I found a typo in the "Pirate Bay Users" story, after I fixed it, the main page did not show the fixed version, I guess this is because of caching?
[18:57:57] <Woods> Oh yep, there it goes. It took about two minutes. Nevermind!
[18:59:33] <n1> what did i miss with it?
[19:00:06] <Woods> No wait, it went back to being wrong. This is weird.
[19:00:24] <Woods> The "Cheapest" price paid was accidentally also the average price paid
[19:00:33] <Woods> "Another 72 visitors went for the cheapest option with an average payment of $10.61, and 67 people ended up in the middle with an $10.61 average."
[19:00:34] <n1> the cache does weird things it seems
[19:00:50] <n1> it should work itself
[19:00:53] <Woods> I am sure it will catch up eventually, I am surprised nobody mentioned it in the comments.
[19:01:13] <n1> i read it over a few times and missed it
[19:01:18] <n1> thanks for catching it
[19:01:19] <Woods> It happens. Numbers.
[19:02:08] <Woods> The actual number was $1.78 for the cheapest.
[19:03:00] <n1> should have really caught that :-/
[19:04:13] <n1> maybe it was an error in tfa thats been corrected, as that part was a copy/paste
[19:10:28] <Woods> Perhaps. It is okay though, n1. It is not the end of the world. :) You can keep your job.
[19:10:38] <Woods> (I have hiring/firing power)
[19:14:13] <n1> lol
[19:14:18] <n1> put me out of my misery :p
[19:36:01] janrinok|afk is now known as janrinok
[19:36:45] LaminatorX|out2lunch is now known as LaminatorX
[19:37:02] <janrinok> hi LaminatorX just got back myself.
[19:40:52] * n1 can't decide if he should buy a 3.0m triple extension ladder or a 3.5m triple extension ladder
[19:41:05] <LaminatorX> Hullo.
[19:41:35] <janrinok> go for the 3.5 - bigger is better...
[19:41:54] <janrinok> LaminatorX: have a pleasant lunch?
[19:42:25] <LaminatorX> It is both pleasing and dangerous that the three out of five of the best Indian joints in town are within lunch-range of my office.
[19:42:50] <janrinok> You like indian food too, so do n1 and I!
[19:43:48] <LaminatorX> It's hard to go wrong there, really.
[19:46:15] <janrinok> What Lidl delight awaits you this evening, n1?
[19:47:40] <n1> i think i'm going to raid the freezer this evening, i don't know whats in there.
[19:47:57] <n1> "China and Russia will hold a "maritime cooperation-2014" drill in East China Sea at end-May, Voice of Russia reports on its Chinese-language website yesterday."
[19:47:57] <janrinok> oh, scarey...
[19:48:26] <janrinok> that last comment was in reference to your freezer - not Russia/China!
[19:48:43] <n1> yeah, i figured, it came up the same time as i hit enter
[19:51:14] <LaminatorX> OK, we just got a story from PF. I'm posting it right now.
[19:51:25] <n1> :D
[19:51:32] <janrinok> lol GFI
[19:54:29] <LaminatorX> Aw shucks, /. posted it an hour ago.
[19:55:05] <LaminatorX> Hugh didn't submit it to them though, or at least his wasn't the submission that they posted.
[19:55:55] <janrinok> Who did?
[19:56:12] <LaminatorX> rjmarvin
[19:56:57] <janrinok> not a name I've heard of - and he's in the 3,xxx,xxx range of /. users
[19:57:58] <janrinok> well, we've got enough stories to burn a few lol
[19:59:04] <LaminatorX> It's still a good story. If there's something worth talking about, I would hope that both sites would be covering it (though ideally not with the same verbiage).
[19:59:09] <n1> the people who complain about running the same stories as the old site just want to complain - you don't get it with any other news site "The Guardian sucks, the BBC reported this 2 hours ago."
[20:01:54] <n1> or maybe more accurately, "The BBC reported this story from AFP a few hours ago, stop copying."
[20:02:22] <janrinok> rofl - Dear Points of View ....DUPE!
[20:02:48] <n1> heh, yup
[20:03:05] <LaminatorX> First Letter to the Editor!
[20:03:42] <janrinok> are you being serious?
[20:04:17] <LaminatorX> Oh, no. People have written in already. I was imagining someone trying to get FP in a newspaper.
[20:05:22] <LaminatorX> I believe out actual fisrt letter to the editor was lhsi suggeting that we pay attention to the time difference when queueing articles with UK-centric content,
[20:05:35] <janrinok> good - because I've sent quite a few emails to explain rejected submissions - and, in general, they have been very well received. Normally results in another attempt at a submission within 24hrs.
[20:05:43] <LaminatorX> which was a pretty good suggestion.
[20:05:57] <janrinok> agreed.
[20:06:25] <LaminatorX> brb
[20:07:04] <n1> Woods, are you doing anything with that merge?
[20:07:46] <Woods> I was not sure how to handle it.
[20:08:06] <n1> how so
[20:08:28] <Woods> I do not know what the procedure is with that, I just know that if two stories are the same, you merge them.
[20:09:34] <n1> merge them, and just edit it as you think... i've done it before and entirely removed the text from one of the submissions
[20:09:50] <n1> other times, i've kept the best written one and added any additional information the other provides
[20:10:00] <janrinok> or you can actually just write them as 2 stories in the same block.
[20:10:33] <janrinok> it depends what you have to play with. There are no hard rules - do you what you think _you_ would like to read.
[20:10:40] <n1> yeah
[20:10:51] <n1> as an example; http://soylentnews.org
[20:11:23] <Woods> Hm, alright.
[20:11:23] <n1> the first sentence and the final sentence/paragraph are actually from one submission, the main text was from the other
[20:11:43] <janrinok> As long as you have merged them, they will both get the karma for the released story.
[20:12:26] <Woods> I will take care of it right now then.
[20:12:46] <n1> it's also a way of accepting submissions that people wont realise are dupes, if the story it would dupe hasn't been released yet, or you didnt see them both in the queue
[20:13:16] <janrinok> n1 - I think you had a clever trick of merging with one that is already in the story queue but not yet released?
[20:13:55] <n1> you can't merge with one already in the queue, but if you merge and then delete from the submissions list
[20:14:10] <n1> i don't know if you can 'merge' just one story though, i'd expect not.
[20:14:29] <janrinok> No I know that, I thought you came up with a clever way to fool the system - must have been mistaken.
[20:15:00] <n1> nope, if it's in the queue i'll just add the other submitter into the "writes:" bit
[20:15:21] <janrinok> yeah, but he doesn't get the karma or the accepted stats that way.
[20:15:40] <n1> if you merge it they do i believe
[20:15:47] <n1> it just doesnt go anywhere when the click on their accepted submission
[20:16:29] <n1> from what i know the merge accepts the story and gives karma, even if you delete it and never publish
[20:16:30] <janrinok> If you merge then yes. If you just add another name to a story that is in the queue then the new name gets nothing.
[20:16:36] <n1> quite
[20:17:02] <n1> i'd like to see if you can merge just one story, but i dont want to break the website :/
[20:17:29] <janrinok> try it on dev - that is what it is for.
[20:18:06] <n1> forgot about that...
[20:18:33] <n1> yes, you can!
[20:19:22] <janrinok> great - there must be hours of fun ahead....
[20:19:59] <n1> the only down side is if you're on the users profile page and click on the accepted submission it ends up with "no story link available"
[20:20:14] <n1> but thats a small price to pay i figure
[20:20:49] <janrinok> yeah - we will overlook that for the time being (until someone points out that dev has crashed due to dangling pointers or something...)
[20:21:42] <janrinok> Right, we have stories up to midnight'ish. Lets see if we can talk through a method of merging a story with a submission...
[20:21:58] <janrinok> if you're game that is....
[20:22:24] <n1> not sure how we could do that as it stands
[20:23:31] <janrinok> well, does the submitter get the karma when the story hits the story list or when the publication datetime is reached?
[20:24:13] <janrinok> If it is the former - the person already has the karma and stats. Put his story on Do no Display. Copy it and resubmit it as yourself.
[20:25:07] <janrinok> You now have 2 submissions, one of them in your own name. If you merge them, but edit it so that the original submitter's name is used plus the new merged one, then they both get karma - so do you but who cares?
[20:25:50] <n1> they get karma on acceptance
[20:25:54] <n1> according to my tests on dev
[20:25:57] <janrinok> bingo!
[20:26:10] <Woods> I did it guys! I successfully navigated across days. I set that story to be posted at Midnight 30.
[20:26:25] <n1> so it doesnt need to hit the stories queue or be published for karma to be given
[20:26:57] <LaminatorX> Here's an example of a merged story: http://soylentnews.org
[20:27:07] <janrinok> no but we are imagining the situation where we are trying to merge a submission with a story. The story is _already_ in the queue.
[20:27:58] <janrinok> LaminatorX: was that a merge with a story already in the story queue?
[20:28:22] <LaminatorX> I not only combined the articles, but selectively cut overlaping content frome them. When merging, I try to work top down from most informative to most commentary, but that's a subjective measure.
[20:28:30] <LaminatorX> No, just a regular merge.
[20:29:14] <n1> i think if a story is already in the queue but not published, we 'merge' the dupe in the submissions and then add the name manually to the story already in the queue
[20:29:19] <janrinok> yes, sry I think you getting misled. I was wondering how to merge a submission with a _story_ that has already been processed, so that they both get recognition. Is that what your example does?
[20:29:22] <n1> thats the 'simple' way without having to code anything.
[20:30:04] <janrinok> n1 - yep you're right - much easier!
[20:30:23] <n1> and the only cost is the broken link which can only be found on the merged users profile page
[20:30:39] <n1> but they still get the karma and credit
[20:30:46] <janrinok> that's it!
[20:32:00] <LaminatorX> I suggest, once doing that, edit the orphan story to just a link that takes the submitter to the merged story.
[20:32:23] <LaminatorX> Perhaps with a sentance explaining that as well.
[20:32:48] <n1> can you do that without it ending up in the stories queue?
[20:32:58] <janrinok> Yep, that would tie up the loose ends as well. I'll have to document that in the wiki somewhere.
[20:33:46] <LaminatorX> Let it be in the queue, but take display off.
[20:34:06] <janrinok> Woods: your story shows 00:33 - have you changed it from midnight?
[20:34:36] <janrinok> Nagger has appeared - 18 subs in queue.
[20:35:04] <Woods> Janrinok: 00:33 is midnight 33, right? Or am I understanding time incorrectly still?
[20:35:16] <n1> you're right, Woods
[20:35:22] <LaminatorX> Correct.
[20:35:25] <Woods> Whew!
[20:36:02] <janrinok> Oh, I thought you were releasing at 00:00 on the 30th
[20:36:45] <janrinok> that's the military in me....
[20:36:47] <n1> Woods is still learning the 24hr clock, i get confused by anything but.
[20:36:49] <Woods> Nah, releasing a story exactly on midnight would be particularly interesting.
[20:37:01] <janrinok> exactly!
[20:37:16] <Woods> I do not think mosquitos fit the bill, heh
[20:37:33] <janrinok> It should work fine - no reason why not - but I bet there will be a bit of slashcode that chokes on it.
[20:37:39] <Woods> lol
[20:39:25] <LaminatorX> Hey woods, how about "futebol" instead of soccer on that mosquito story department?
[20:39:46] <LaminatorX> We actually do have some Brazillian readers. They's likely appreciate it.
[20:39:56] <Woods> Oh, dang. I did not think about that.
[20:40:10] <LaminatorX> I'll change it up. I've still got it open.
[20:40:30] <Woods> Too late, I just did.
[20:40:45] <LaminatorX> Go team.
[20:40:49] <Woods> woo yeah
[20:41:29] <LaminatorX> Fun Fact: "SOCCer" is short for "aSOCCiation football," but nobody remembers.
[20:42:11] <janrinok> You were telling me that a few weeks back and then telling me about your local team that you (once) supported.
[20:43:21] <Woods> Noted: Janrinok remembers everything.
[20:43:26] <LaminatorX> Ah yes, the Steamers. Some of their players coached a summer camp my brother and I attended. They were both irish, which seemed odd as a lad, but makes perfect sense now.
[20:45:21] <janrinok> Woods: we spent quite a few weeks chatting on here as the only 2 eds still operating due to various reasons. We talked _a_lot_!
[20:45:52] <LaminatorX> Very sanity preserving, it was.
[20:46:17] <janrinok> likewise - enjoyed it immensely
[20:46:54] <Woods> So you guys are best buddies forever now?
[20:47:15] <LaminatorX> Don't tell him about the tattoos.
[20:47:31] <Woods> lol
[20:49:47] <janrinok> Can't I show him the small one?
[20:50:09] <LaminatorX> If you must.
[20:50:22] <Woods> Pic time!
[20:50:25] <janrinok> Only if everyone else promises to look away
[20:50:41] <Woods> Guys, hide your eyes! He is going to show me his little one.
[20:50:58] <Woods> Hm, that sentence did not work out so well.
[20:51:11] <janrinok> grab Woods
[20:51:21] <janrinok> damn it's not on here!
[20:51:33] <Woods> Hah! Bot-foiled again!
[20:51:36] <janrinok> !grab Woods
[20:51:37] <deadpeas> Added quote 7
[20:52:07] <janrinok> no prisoners!
[20:53:11] <janrinok> I can't remember half the commands for this damned bot!
[20:57:24] <LaminatorX> !quote janrinok
[20:57:24] <deadpeas> Quote 1 - <janrinok> xlefay: quick to the kill, that's my boy....
[20:57:25] <janrinok> sry about that - Soph needed some assistance
[20:57:28] <deadpeas> Also in quotes: 2, 5, 6
[20:58:05] <Woods> !quote 2
[20:58:05] <deadpeas> Quote 2 - <janrinok> xlefay: join the queue....
[20:58:29] <Woods> That one is way less hilarious.
[20:58:47] <Woods> Janrinok: I need you to only say hilarious things.
[20:59:16] <janrinok> Yeah - what he actually wanted was sent as a /me command - it doesn't record them
[21:01:03] <janrinok> n1 - you eating late tonight?
[21:01:24] <n1> i always do
[21:01:41] <janrinok> What have you got defrosting?
[21:01:59] <n1> still havn't looked yet, probably something i can put straight in the oven
[21:02:10] <n1> i have kangaroo steaks i really want to eat but i keep forgetting to take them out to defrost
[21:02:30] <janrinok> You can get them locally?
[21:02:33] <n1> also, i'm blaming you if the 3.5m ladder annoys me by being too big and heavy :P
[21:02:56] <janrinok> ...."it's always my fault"
[21:03:10] <n1> they were one of the weekly specials in lidl
[21:03:51] <n1> they have some game stuff occasionally, I missed the chance to get moose leg steaks
[21:04:06] * janrinok makes note to buy 3m ladder to offer to n1 at an 'attractive' price once the 3.5m gets too heavy
[21:04:16] <LaminatorX> Heavy==Stable Take it from the dude with feet full of metal, you want stable.
[21:04:25] <n1> and i thought it was great when they had diced reindeer in time for christmas.
[21:04:31] <janrinok> rofl
[21:04:39] <janrinok> very seasonal
[21:04:46] <LaminatorX> I actually had some rabbit stew on easter.
[21:05:06] <n1> i dont think ive ever had rebbit
[21:05:11] <n1> rabbit*
[21:05:13] <n1> any good?
[21:05:32] <janrinok> I eat rabbit every other week, the other time its chicken
[21:05:49] <chromas> Tastes kinda bunny
[21:05:54] <LaminatorX> Lots of flavor, which is helpful for stews.
[21:06:00] <janrinok> It's very lean so you have to cook it with something a bit fatty - bacon, belly pork, etc
[21:06:20] <n1> heavy and stable are indeed good when it comes to ladders, ive been getting away with my 'little giant' ladder, and the current extension ladder i have is actually quite dangerous so i'm glad i'll never have to use that again.
[21:06:27] <n1> i think i've been lucky not to have that one kill me.
[21:06:31] <janrinok> ... unless you put it in stews... Damn he types fast sometimes.,
[21:06:50] <n1> lol
[21:07:00] <janrinok> chromas: I liked that - it didn't get the recognition it deserved.
[21:07:16] <n1> rabbit stew sounds like the right way to go - i want some now!
[21:07:17] <LaminatorX> As I understand it, the flavor you get in a stew is from the bones and such more than the meat.
[21:07:29] <LaminatorX> At least with rabbit.
[21:07:37] <janrinok> that is correct
[21:08:23] <n1> i want more duck.
[21:08:39] <janrinok> A rabbit will feed 4 people for a meal, or 2 very hungry people.
[21:08:41] <LaminatorX> Some musicians I know were putting on a sing-along jesus Christ Superstar viewing in an old church that's meen converted to a skate park.
[21:09:00] <LaminatorX> Somebody brought stew.
[21:09:33] <LaminatorX> They call the place "The Church of Sk8tan."
[21:09:46] <janrinok> lol
[21:10:08] <LaminatorX> I sat in on drums for a couple of numbers, and it's the Mrs's favorite musical, so good times.
[21:10:45] <janrinok> was that recently?
[21:12:14] <LaminatorX> Just last week.
[21:13:06] <LaminatorX> Here's the place: https://www.youtube.com (warning, loud music)
[21:13:53] <LaminatorX> All the sacred stuff was stripped and re-used elsewhere when the place was decomissionned by the archdiocese.
[21:14:43] <LaminatorX> I mean to talk to them about recording some bands up there. The accoustics are, well just like a big old church.
[21:14:46] <n1> thats pretty damn cool
[21:14:51] <janrinok> A very impressive building nevertheless
[21:15:10] <n1> i have a feeling here they'd rather let the building fall down than let the youth anywhere near it
[21:15:25] <janrinok> Although I suspect it gets cold.
[21:15:51] <LaminatorX> It was neglected for quite some time, but the new owners are stabilizing the structure.
[21:16:18] <janrinok> n1 Yes some health and safety man would get upset about a rusty nail 10 feet off the ground and have the place closed rather than have someone enjoy it.
[21:16:28] <n1> i don't think it would even take the health and safety
[21:16:37] <n1> just the local residents wouldn't want the kids taking over
[21:16:41] <n1> or the building to 'change purpose'
[21:17:08] <LaminatorX> I actually took it upon myself to caution-tape the steamplugs portruding from the floor where the radiators used to be.
[21:17:08] <n1> "it has been a place of worship since 1812, it's that or nothing!"
[21:17:13] <janrinok> Well, once its decommissioned, its purpose has already been changed, but I know what you are getting at.
[21:17:39] <n1> oh indeed, but the chances of that purpose being changed to allow for a skate park?
[21:17:44] <janrinok> LaminatorX: Are you associated closely with the project?
[21:17:45] <n1> maybe luxury apartments..
[21:19:00] <LaminatorX> Oh no, I just happened to be there and thought, "You know, it's going to be dark and crowded in here once the show starts. Hey look, neon pink grip-tape."
[21:19:52] <janrinok> Lol - so someone is walking round thinking 'where the hell did I leave that tape...?'
[21:21:19] <LaminatorX> I did used to go there when I was a kid from time to time, back when my parents were active with Catholic Worker. I suspect the communist angle had as much to do with its original closure as did white flight and age shrinking the congregation.
[21:22:01] <janrinok> LaminatorX: I'm not sure I follow the 'communist angle'.
[21:23:14] <LaminatorX> http://en.wikipedia.org
[21:23:49] <LaminatorX> Grass-roots organizing and serving the poor makes heirarchies look bad.
[21:25:56] <janrinok> Thx for that link - I was just Googling when it popped up - it seems that almost anything in the US to do with charity, helping the weak and poor, or similar acts gets labelled as 'communist' - at least that is an outside perception.
[21:27:37] <n1> teach a man to fish, then he expects education for free.
[21:28:04] <LaminatorX> That or "anarchist," sure. I was tight with some anarchists in my STL Indymedia days. I'm probably on some lists.
[21:28:12] <janrinok> Most of the other wiki links seem far less condemning of the organisation.
[21:29:00] <janrinok> Yes, anarchist probably isn't the best work for publicity, but we are all on someone's list...
[21:29:11] <janrinok> s/work/word/
[21:29:26] <LaminatorX> Really though, when you set out to oppose de-facto plutocracy, it's hard not to end up at least a little marxist.
[21:29:35] <n1> heh
[21:31:44] <n1> I'm always in conflict with it... Have socialist leanings but run my own business, never taken welfare myself (yet), very much support the welfare state.
[21:33:38] <LaminatorX> Sounds reasonable.
[21:34:06] <janrinok> Mind you, what the US term left-wing politically is still very right-wing in European terms. I suppose we all appear communists if you define it that way.
[21:34:16] <n1> my dad actually identifies himself as a socialist, my mother identifies as "my politics are none of your business".
[21:34:51] <janrinok> must say I can agree with your Mum's point of view.
[21:35:21] <n1> I understand it, but it's very hard to have any meaningful discussion when you're not allowed to talk about it.
[21:35:29] <janrinok> Accept me for who and what I am - not any labels that someone wants to put on me.
[21:35:53] <n1> you can't learn the why/who/wheres of things if people wont talk about it, not even trying to change minds, just understand.
[21:35:58] <janrinok> Never discuss politics at home - never ends well for somebody!
[21:36:27] <n1> when i have sunday lunch with the family, politics always comes up and no one wins, but it's usually quite well behaved.
[21:36:29] <janrinok> I get your point
[21:37:01] <n1> i think mainly because we're all politically apathetic at this point, it just varies between "politicians dont represent the people" and we all agree to "politicians dont represent the people, but the liberals especially dont"
[21:37:21] <janrinok> We never discuss it, not religion - its another personal choice - and sex, well that's hardly Sunday lunch conversation.... lol
[21:37:53] <LaminatorX> My wife is a bit more mainstream than my father and I, but we manage the occasional policy chat at dinner without conflict breaking out.
[21:39:00] <n1> the problem with the 'policy chats' are when one side is informed by the 'intent/press release' of the legislation and another is what the legislation actually says/does
[21:39:17] <LaminatorX> Missouri is a weird place in so far as we're about evenly split between city and country populace, with the former leaning progressive and the latter heavily reactionary.
[21:39:31] <janrinok> Having seen first hand what people will do to each other in the name of religion (Bosnia) - I find it hard to believe that some people even know what any religion stands for.
[21:39:56] <n1> janrinok, religion is a lot of grey area, i respect peoples religion and try to not push my view on others.
[21:40:06] <n1> i have a degree of envy for people of faith.
[21:40:55] <janrinok> same here, that's why I say it's a personal thing, not something that I want to discuss bucause, the chances are, someone will take offence at my particular religion or views within it.
[21:41:43] <janrinok> I suppose that why it is one of the 3 banned topics on this IRC channel.....
[21:41:46] * n1 nods
[21:42:03] <n1> but we can discuss why we cant dicuss it, right? :p
[21:42:37] <LaminatorX> Oh man, I i didn't know we had any banned topics. Politics, religeon, and what else?
[21:42:44] <janrinok> yes, I think we can. just don't tell those PLF splitters over there what we are talking about....
[21:42:52] <janrinok> sex LaminatorX sex
[21:43:13] <LaminatorX> Ah. Good thing we left freenode then.
[21:43:33] <LaminatorX> !grab Janrinok
[21:43:33] <deadpeas> Added quote 8
[21:43:34] <n1> i think banned is a bit strong, given the conversations that do happen. but discretion must be used
[21:43:59] <janrinok> Landon was quite specific about that when we first arrived here...
[21:44:48] <janrinok> Reasonable people know where to draw the line, but some don't, so the rule is the only sensible way of practical enforcement.
[21:45:06] <n1> I don't recall, and it's not obvious anywhere, i havn't seen it written in an "IRC Rules"
[21:45:47] <LaminatorX> There was enough flaming going on about centos vs ubuntu, and ftp being insecure. No need to add fuel to the fire.
[21:45:53] <janrinok> I remember being on a chan when he did enforce it though, so it certainly _was_ the case at one point.
[21:46:26] <janrinok> LaminatorX: that was a good quote to grab...
[21:46:38] <n1> i'd say the rule is there, but as long as we're being civil, then it wont be strictly enforced
[21:47:08] <janrinok> Ah, those were the days.....
[21:47:12] <LaminatorX> If this were rpg.net, I'd make it my sig.
[21:47:14] <n1> flaming, regardless of topic should be frowned upon.
[21:52:06] <janrinok> Well, its getting close to the time to tuck Soph up for the night. Another interesting conversation and painless story production session.
[21:52:44] <LaminatorX> G'night.
[21:52:59] <janrinok> We got 24 stories out in the last 24 hours - that's not bad.
[21:53:38] <n1> take care, janrinok :)
[21:53:40] <janrinok> Some got a reasonable number of comments
[21:53:45] <LaminatorX> It'll be interesting to see what the queue looks like tomorrow. We haven't been this flush for a while.
[21:54:04] <janrinok> Yeah - cheers guys. Same time, same place tomorrow. Be safe.
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[22:57:13] <Woods> n1: Can you check over the story I just submitted and get it posted soon?
[22:57:32] <Woods> http://soylentnews.org
[22:58:03] <n1> i'm just about to leave for the night but i shall do that
[22:58:11] <Woods> Thanks.
[22:59:59] <n1> dept title?
[23:00:13] <Woods> Oy, ummm....
[23:00:34] <Woods> 100 percent less jar jar binks
[23:00:36] <LaminatorX> "Please don't suck."
[23:00:42] <Woods> Either one, lol
[23:01:07] <n1> the link doesnt want to load for me in either opera or chrome
[23:01:40] <n1> the text has finally loaded so it seems all good
[23:02:24] <Woods> The site may be getting slashdotted, CSS is having issues.
[23:03:04] <LaminatorX> Here's a second link, kotaku. http://kotaku.com
[23:03:28] <LaminatorX> They're probabbly getting beat up less than sw.com
[23:03:44] <Woods> Yeah, changing the link sounds like a good idea.
[23:04:31] <LaminatorX> Use'em both. Heck, TheForce.net has links for each cast member: http://www.theforce.net
[23:05:40] <n1> i added "Second Source because StarWars.com seems to be suffering from increased traffic."
[23:05:53] <n1> it will publish in about 5 minutes
[23:06:19] <Woods> Looks great, thanks.
[23:06:41] <n1> np
[23:06:49] <n1> take it easy guys, i'm out.
[23:06:53] <Woods> Later
[23:07:14] <LaminatorX> Gnight.
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