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[15:03:22] <n1> hey Woods
[15:03:41] <Woods> No.
[15:03:44] <Woods> I mean hi.
[15:04:08] <n1> lol
[15:04:11] <n1> good mood eh?
[15:04:18] <Woods> Yeah, actually
[15:04:28] <Woods> My boss did all my work for me before I got in this morning.
[15:04:35] <n1> thats pretty awesome lol
[15:04:59] <Woods> There really only needs to be one of us, but they have not figured that out yet, and I surely will never tell them.
[15:05:56] <n1> hah
[15:06:05] <n1> not a bad thing for you
[15:06:12] <n1> or your boss, if he's not the one paying the wages
[15:06:13] <Woods> Indeed, I get to be here all day!
[15:06:40] <n1> going to do some stories? there's only one left in the queue and i have to run for a bit
[15:07:29] <Woods> Yes.
[15:07:31] <Woods> I got this.
[15:17:20] <n1> awesome
[15:17:53] <n1> good to have someone else working on this
[15:19:23] <Woods> Aye.
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[15:56:22] <mrcoolbp> woods: can you <a href="[user's profile]">[user] writes</a>:
[15:56:39] <Woods> Aw dang, I have not been remembering to do that.
[15:56:43] <mrcoolbp> woods: oops I mean <a href="">[user's profile]">[user] writes</a>:
[15:56:46] <Woods> I will edit the ones I have done.
[15:56:53] <mrcoolbp> cool
[15:56:59] <mrcoolbp> we need to work it into the code
[15:57:07] <xlefay> mrcoolbp, the first one was actually correct ;)
[15:57:19] * mrcoolbp gets coffeee
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[16:22:36] <janrinok> hi guys
[16:22:59] <Woods> I got stories covered until 17:40. I have to jump on this project my boss gave me.
[16:23:18] <janrinok> hi Woods - thanks for the update, and welcome!
[16:23:23] <mrcoolbp> hey janrinok
[16:23:58] <Woods> Hi, thanks!
[16:24:07] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: hi, I've not spoken to you for a day or two - how's things?
[16:24:25] <mrcoolbp> alright, and with you?
[16:25:09] <janrinok> not bad thx. I have my parents in law with me at the moment but they depart tomorrow. Back to peace and quiet, but I'll miss their help.
[16:25:26] <mrcoolbp> sounds nice
[16:25:36] <mrcoolbp> and how is the editing team?
[16:26:00] <janrinok> its been a very useful 10 days for me. The editing team is doing fine, and with Woods on line too it gets a bit easier every day!
[16:26:15] <janrinok> what you been up to?
[16:26:35] <Woods> I am helpful, horray!
[16:26:40] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: we have missed you though....
[16:27:04] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: thank
[16:27:05] <mrcoolbp> s
[16:27:59] <janrinok> I see the submission count isn't what it once was though. The weekend effect is creeping into the week now!
[16:29:12] <Woods> Really? Since the counter was added, I have never seen anywhere besides 12-17
[16:29:25] * mrcoolbp agrees
[16:30:50] <janrinok> in 'the good 'old days' we sometimes had 30 stories in the sub list - not all usable of course, but the same applies today.
[16:31:18] <janrinok> too many 's - but you get my drift...
[16:32:02] <Woods> Hm. I will have to submit more stories then.
[16:32:23] <n1> I think people forget, after the initial surge of trying to make the site viable
[16:32:32] <n1> people are not quite as motivated to submit now
[16:33:01] <janrinok> yes but they are just as quick to criticise if any one story is not exactly what they wanted lol
[16:33:09] <n1> indeed they are
[16:33:17] <Woods> People, am i rite?
[16:33:20] <n1> but it's ok, Woods is taking credit for the content, so he can take the blame too ;)
[16:33:20] <janrinok> hi n1 - how are you
[16:33:28] <Woods> Awww yeah
[16:33:34] <Woods> No wait, noooo
[16:33:48] <n1> not too bad thanks, janrinok - although my france trip has been changed
[16:33:52] <n1> how are you?
[16:33:57] <janrinok> sshhh - don't tell him too soon. We could get a few weeks out of this if we play it right....
[16:34:11] <n1> lol
[16:34:14] <janrinok> n1: changed destination or is it all off?
[16:34:35] <n1> changed destination - lille,france is now hamburg,germany
[16:34:52] <janrinok> er, trip to France is not at all then....
[16:34:53] <n1> couldn't get tickets for the lille show
[16:35:04] <n1> and none of us wanted to go to paris lol
[16:35:27] <janrinok> nobody apart from Parisians and US tourists _wants_ to go to Paris.
[16:35:39] <n1> will be my first trip to Germany, so im excited about that
[16:36:13] <janrinok> better beer in G
[16:36:17] <n1> and a bonus that the supporting artist is also someone i'd like to see... so it's shaping up to be a good night
[16:36:25] <n1> and i dont have to drive now
[16:39:21] <n1> everything good with you, janrinok? didn't see you around yesterday
[16:43:57] <janrinok> No, I got tied up in something else, which resulted in me having to provide a lot of extra support to my wife.
[16:44:29] <janrinok> I posted a few stories, but otherwise managed to avoid the temptation of IRC....
[16:44:50] <n1> sorry to hear that
[16:44:55] <n1> did the inlaws get away safely?
[16:45:03] <janrinok> they leave tomorrow.
[16:45:09] <n1> oh right yeah
[16:45:17] <n1> got my days mixed up
[16:45:38] <janrinok> I blame Easter - I've got no idea what day it is either....
[16:46:16] <n1> yeah, the bank holidays and my plan for the week going out the window by the end of todays second phonecall
[16:50:14] <janrinok> But is it a good change to your plan or not?
[16:52:17] <n1> its not the end of the world but not exactly ideal, i was intending to try out some new software for cctv hardware that we have installed at the 'office' but my desk there has been taken over for more urgent matters
[16:52:57] <n1> and tomorrows appointment has been pushed to thursday
[16:53:10] <janrinok> are people hiding under it, is it being used for firewood, or is it just somewhere convenient for the new coffee machine>
[16:53:13] <n1> which still wont get 100% confirmed until tomorrow
[16:53:48] <janrinok> s/>/?/
[16:55:10] <n1> my business partner has another business doing accountancy and bookkeeping, one of his clients sent him a load more work
[16:55:29] <janrinok> oh, I suppose that _might_ count as being more important
[16:55:44] <n1> so now you wont be able to see my desk for stacks of paperwork and files, and the data entry guy he has
[16:56:12] <n1> so me fucking around with the cctv and the network isn't really practical
[16:56:14] <janrinok> but will people think that it is your work, and thus surmise that you are working very very hard?
[16:56:35] <n1> no one would believe that
[16:56:38] <janrinok> lol
[16:56:44] <n1> thats where i leave the paperwork for him to deal with
[16:57:21] <n1> i might create it, but i keep it as pdf's - when it comes to stacks of actual paper, thats not my problem lol
[16:57:44] <janrinok> brb
[17:03:29] <mrcoolbp> we need to move towards a finished product on the "Story Style" doc
[17:03:46] <mrcoolbp> flesh out the "Editor's Notes" section
[17:03:56] <janrinok> Yes, and I need to get my bit finished too
[17:04:19] <mrcoolbp> US UK spelling
[17:04:19] <janrinok> I seem to have run out of time over the last couple of weeks.
[17:04:38] <mrcoolbp> yeah that happens around here
[17:04:53] <xlefay> janrinok, is it 'you'?
[17:05:16] <janrinok> has MrGirl been seen in the last month or so?
[17:05:44] <janrinok> xlefay: its as 'me' as I'm going to get - but I have my doubt whether it is really you.
[17:06:03] <xlefay> no, his nickname has expired.. his editor bits got removed, NC wants to send him an e-mail checking in
[17:06:13] <xlefay> I won't admit nor deny that
[17:06:19] <xlefay> ehh, wait, I mean, it's me!
[17:06:38] <janrinok> xlefay: lol. I wonder what happened to him. Perhaps he is too busy with his studies.
[17:07:16] <janrinok> xlefay: too late - it's obviously the real you!
[17:07:20] <xlefay> I'd expect him to at least send a mail, considering his activity here
[17:07:38] <xlefay> He isn't the type of person to just disappear
[17:07:54] <n1> it did appear one day he just stopped
[17:08:10] <janrinok> The reason I ask is that he requested that we didn't change his Editorial Style bit, but if he is not coming back then we need to get it sorted.
[17:08:36] <mrcoolbp> yeah too late janrinok
[17:08:50] <mrcoolbp> he DID say we could ADD stuff though....
[17:09:03] <mrcoolbp> I only *changed* one or two things and noted what I *did* change
[17:09:04] <xlefay> Remember when AudioGuy said that? No one did
[17:09:04] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: I thought (but could be wrong) that it was decided that either/both UK and US English were acceptable?
[17:09:16] <xlefay> Honestly.. if it's too much text, people won't
[17:09:20] <mrcoolbp> yes, so we need to put that in there...
[17:09:35] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: this is diff, it's a guide for us editors
[17:09:49] <janrinok> OK got you. I thought you wanted me to rewrite my bit into US-ese...
[17:09:49] <n1> janrinok, i generally default to US spelling
[17:09:50] <xlefay> janrinok, in fairness, I must note, I was rather confused when I read an article you wrote that was apparently in UK style
[17:10:02] * xlefay notes, I thought it was full of spelling errors, was so disappointed in you :(
[17:10:16] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: actually I'd love for you to write that as you are familiar with both regions
[17:10:26] <xlefay> Until someone (I believe n1) pointed out, it was UK-style
[17:10:32] <janrinok> lol
[17:10:51] <mrcoolbp> what is LamX's feelings on the US/UK thing?
[17:11:04] <n1> i've spent too long online talking to Americans, it's just easier to go American
[17:11:06] <janrinok> I normally use the style of the original material. If it is US then I stick with that, if it is UK then likewise.
[17:11:07] <xlefay> I'm not an editor, but I think it may be wise to go with either US or UK only, it'll take the confusion out for non-native speakers for one
[17:11:19] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: that's a good point
[17:11:21] <xlefay> (just my 2 cents as a happy reader)
[17:11:53] <mrcoolbp> xlefay I sympathise with that sentiment, but janrionk points out we link to UK articles with that spelling...hmmm I'm torn
[17:11:55] <janrinok> I'm trying to recall but I think LamX was in on the conversation when we agreed that both were acceptable. As long as it is in English, it was good to go.
[17:12:16] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: let's favor US, but go UK if need be?
[17:12:25] <n1> mrcoolbp, that's how i work now.
[17:12:29] <xlefay> hey it's up to you, but it can be rather confusing
[17:12:35] * mrcoolbp agrees with xlefay...again....sigh
[17:12:44] <Woods> Dang it, Mrcoolbp...
[17:12:49] <mrcoolbp> sorry
[17:12:52] <Woods> Stay strong!
[17:13:02] <xlefay> I will give you a heads up, if more non-natives read it and they make the same mistake as me, the editors (you guys) will get quite a pounding by them ;)
[17:13:03] <janrinok> I don't rewrite US into UK, but I cannot write complete wiki bits in US-ese.
[17:13:06] <mrcoolbp> I just hate when he says stuff that makes sense...
[17:13:21] <xlefay> *ahem*
[17:13:31] <mrcoolbp> xlefay, and someone will point out that there are other contries and spellings in the world besides 'merican
[17:13:49] <janrinok> Exactly - we specifically didn't want to be US-centric
[17:13:49] <xlefay> mrcoolbp, who said anything about american english?
[17:13:50] <mrcoolbp> esp. if the linked article is UK
[17:13:59] <xlefay> How about, NL_en?
[17:14:00] <mrcoolbp> we are talking about US/UK
[17:14:01] <Woods> I think we should stick with US all the time, unless specifically the quoted article is in UK.
[17:14:08] <mrcoolbp> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[17:14:31] <Woods> Out of respect... Or some other BS like that.
[17:14:46] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: no offense, but US/UK tends to be the dominant authorities on English
[17:14:57] <janrinok> the system defaults to US anyway. I only change to UK/Indian/whatever english when the submitter has used it in the first instance.
[17:14:59] <xlefay> janrinok, I'm a strong proponent of that sentiment. I get rather annoyed every time I see a post that says "The federal government" .. like "Yeah.. the US federal government .. not mine"
[17:15:37] <janrinok> exactly.
[17:15:41] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: we *should* be saying US gov
[17:15:42] <xlefay> It's annoying to see the site getting so US centric like /. - but regarding spelling, it's really about ensuring people have one format of reading it
[17:15:49] <Woods> Hm. I will have to be watching for that.
[17:16:21] <janrinok> Otherwise we'll start using all the UK abbreviations that will have everyone else baffled - lol
[17:16:25] <n1> from my observations, Americans seem to have very little interest in whats going on in other countries
[17:16:34] <n1> even if it is very similar to what is going on in the US
[17:16:34] <xlefay> janrinok, how about, Australian mate?
[17:16:38] <mrcoolbp> so let's not *assume* everyone is in the US, but favor US english, except when the *linked article* is using UK spelling, agreed??
[17:16:54] <Woods> n1: Yup, we like to ignore everyone else. We are pretty small-minded.
[17:16:57] <janrinok> sounds good, and it is what most of us are already doing.
[17:16:58] <mrcoolbp> abbrevaitions should be explained pretty much in all cases
[17:17:00] <xlefay> Then I can go off and "accidentally" misinterpret that as a call to mate.
[17:17:20] <Woods> Sounds good.
[17:17:23] <xlefay> mrcoolbp, now that sounds sensible ;-)
[17:17:40] <xlefay> janrinok, and I am however, truthfully sorry that we had to pick the US.. guess there's no escaping that
[17:17:50] <mrcoolbp> okay, I'm off to app[end the story style doc a bit then
[17:17:59] <janrinok> np
[17:18:00] <xlefay> especially since it's such an unoriginal implementation of the UK-style
[17:18:12] <janrinok> ...and they can't spell...
[17:18:17] <Woods> Progress!
[17:18:22] <n1> i'll just remove the u from my keyboard ;)
[17:18:26] <janrinok> ax, sox, color etc...
[17:18:35] <xlefay> janrinok, like colours!
[17:18:38] <xlefay> oh damn
[17:19:00] <xlefay> n1, hahaha +1
[17:19:03] <xlefay> !grab n1
[17:19:03] <deadbeef> Added quote 4
[17:19:17] <mrcoolbp> heh
[17:20:01] <mrcoolbp> xlefay, sorry about "picking" the US, but I think that's where a large part of the readership lies..maybe we should make a "Where do you Hail from?" poll....
[17:20:24] <xlefay> mrcoolbp, I'm in favor of picking the US-language style; I'm just sorry about it
[17:20:34] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: you quoted 'linked article' above - if the submission is in UK English, I don't change the submission _or_ the article
[17:20:49] <mrcoolbp> hmmm
[17:21:11] <mrcoolbp> don't want to basterdise people's speech, but consistency....man this is hard
[17:21:28] <xlefay> mrcoolbp, but that isn't because of the readership, but it's because, most foreigners are able to speak American more properly.. after all, the US-of-A's government has their fingers in every pie-hole
[17:21:35] <janrinok> They have submitted a perfectly good submission - why piss them off by changing it, and also creating work. We can all read each others' version without too many problems.
[17:21:50] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: that's fair, I"m with you
[17:22:06] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: we are an imperialistic bunch of a-holes most of the time
[17:22:26] <janrinok> what would be wrong is a submission in one version and the source material in the other.
[17:22:28] <xlefay> Fortunately, most US'ers like you, I know, aren't a-holes ;)
[17:22:49] <mrcoolbp> yeah, there's bunch of us too
[17:22:58] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: what then?
[17:23:07] <mrcoolbp> follow the article?
[17:23:31] <janrinok> Is it understandable - if yes - why change it?
[17:24:11] <janrinok> most UK english submissions are from UK sources - not all, but most, in my experience.
[17:24:11] <xlefay> s/why/dont/ s/\?// there ya go
[17:24:54] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: xlefay ? http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[17:24:54] <mrcoolbp> lol
[17:25:29] <janrinok> I've got to go for about an hour or so, but I would like to know what is finally decided!
[17:25:29] <xlefay> mrcoolbp, no clue what my position is.. x'D
[17:25:43] janrinok is now known as janrinok|afk
[17:26:09] <xlefay> put down 'member' now
[17:26:14] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: Star Trek Reboot contacter: as I have failed to do that?
[17:26:31] <xlefay> hmm, that's not really my strength :/
[17:26:39] <xlefay> We could work on that e-mail together I suppose
[17:26:40] <mrcoolbp> hah
[17:26:49] <mrcoolbp> it's on my list for today
[17:26:53] <mrcoolbp> gonna be around for a bit?
[17:27:10] <xlefay> mrcoolbp, hmm, I was going to sleep for a bit, when were you thinking of doing that?
[17:27:20] <mrcoolbp> let's tackle that now then
[17:27:49] <xlefay> ok
[17:28:00] <xlefay> check PM
[18:14:25] <mrcoolbp> editorial team
[18:14:33] <mrcoolbp> n1, woods
[18:14:47] <Woods> hm?
[18:37:25] <n1> yeah
[18:38:02] <n1> i'm kind of here for the next hour
[19:31:04] janrinok|afk is now known as janrinok
[19:31:35] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: have you got a minute?
[19:31:42] <mrcoolbp> sure
[19:31:47] <mrcoolbp> sup?
[19:32:01] <janrinok> I've been thinking about the UK v US thing
[19:32:29] <janrinok> I feel that as long as any entity (submission, story) whatever is consistent in a single language
[19:33:18] <janrinok> then there shouldn't be any real problems. The submission need not be the same as the source - to let any ed edit any submission - but it should be consistent _within_ the sub or source.
[19:33:28] <janrinok> how does that sound to you?
[19:33:38] <mrcoolbp> I like it
[19:33:48] <mrcoolbp> throw it in the wiki and have LamX review
[19:33:56] <mrcoolbp> (then email the staff list?)
[19:34:10] <xlefay> please do take out any specific words, that may confuse foreigners
[19:34:15] <xlefay> Lingo and the likes
[19:34:24] <janrinok> OK will do, yep if you think it necessary. Or should be wait until it is approved>
[19:34:26] * n1 takes note
[19:35:16] <janrinok> xlefay: that is a different problem. For example (US) I could care less means the exact opposite in UK, where we say "couldn't care less".
[19:35:46] <xlefay> The first one, has confused me for a long time..
[19:35:54] <mrcoolbp> We need to make a section in the Doc about "Lingo and Ackronyms" and such
[19:36:01] <janrinok> in the UK, it is so _unimportant_ that I couldn't care any less about it. i.e. I do not care anything at all now.
[19:36:26] <xlefay> I've found that English can be rather imprecise, or somewhat obscure the meaning initially
[19:36:45] <janrinok> xlefay: do you mean English or American? ;-)
[19:36:46] <xlefay> e.g. "I could care" .. "less" whereas, in my language, and apparently, in yours, you'd say "I couldn't care less"
[19:37:19] <xlefay> although, I recall that post of yours that, used the past tense for things that confused the shit out of me
[19:37:20] <n1> the Americans just wanted to be different
[19:37:40] <janrinok> lol
[19:37:53] <Woods> Xlefay: they mean the same thing.
[19:38:04] <mrcoolbp> yeah I would use either/both in the US
[19:38:07] <Woods> You can say "I could care less" OR "I could not care less"
[19:38:18] <janrinok> but say the opposite to each other. Woods, in the UK they do _not_ say the same thing at all,.
[19:38:20] <Woods> I have done both, and hated myself, and English, for it.
[19:38:21] <n1> I can see why to a non-native speaker
[19:38:33] <n1> if you evaluate the words, 'i could care less' doesn't really make much sense
[19:38:43] <xlefay> n1, it doesn't
[19:38:47] <Woods> Janrinok: I cannot even grasp that.
[19:38:57] <n1> i think english speakers look at the phrase in context
[19:39:02] <n1> rather than the definitions of the words
[19:39:24] <janrinok> 'I could care less' means that your level of caring is such that it would be possible to care even less about it.
[19:39:39] <n1> which is not what people mean when they say it
[19:40:27] <n1> unless there's a silent/implied "but not much" at the end of it
[19:40:49] <Woods> Honestly, I try to avoid the phrase whenever possible.
[19:41:14] <n1> 'i dont give a shit' works for me usually
[19:41:23] <Woods> Agreed, lol.
[19:41:24] <janrinok> exactly - that is why we need to specify it in the wiki - it can change the entire context of a story to UK, Indian subcontinent etc
[19:41:46] <Woods> Specificity sounds good.
[19:41:51] <xlefay> n1, yeah.. "I give shit not" .. "I could care less"
[19:41:53] <janrinok> n1 good solution but not headline material lol
[19:43:07] <xlefay> In my language: "Het kan mij niks schelen." a.k.a "I don't care." ; saying "I couldn't care less" is rather, unnatural from my pov
[19:43:21] <xlefay> Which is why it confused the shit out of me
[19:43:29] <xlefay> (initially)
[19:44:07] <n1> i will keep this in mind
[19:44:14] <Woods> Thinking about it, there is a similar phrase. If I am missing a keyboard, my boss might lead me to the storage area and say "Lets see if we cant find you a keyboard". It always baffled me, he does not want to find a keyboard?
[19:45:05] <xlefay> Yeah, that's odd
[19:45:25] <n1> that seems like a british way of saying it, a defeatist attitude.
[19:45:30] <janrinok> Woods, jfi - in the early days of SN we analysed the readership of the other site. The US was _not_ the biggest audience. The Indian subcontinent was. We don't see many submissions from them but that might change in time as our popularity grows.
[19:45:45] <janrinok> strange but true.....
[19:45:56] <Woods> Huh, cool.
[19:46:09] <Woods> I like hearing that USA is not the center of a community that I am a part of.
[19:46:23] <xlefay> I'd rather see the site transformed into an european centered site
[19:46:25] * xlefay ducks
[19:46:27] <n1> I really hope we can get participation up in the international/non-us centric stories
[19:46:43] <xlefay> I was obviously joking, but I do agree with n1
[19:46:51] <janrinok> in fact, I cannot recall seeing a sub from the Indian subcontinent, but it might have been covered by another ed
[19:47:37] <n1> there was a submission regarding copyright reform in asia, malaysia or singapore i recall... not sure if the submitter was from the region
[19:48:17] <janrinok> yes you're right - Hong Kong if I recall. thx
[19:48:20] <xlefay> Singapore
[19:48:26] <xlefay> http://soylentnews.org
[19:48:28] <n1> i concluded if the country was replaced with the USA it would have had 10x more comments, which i found really sad.
[19:48:31] <janrinok> So I was wrong again.....
[19:50:10] <mrcoolbp> whoa, I missed some stuff
[19:50:13] <mrcoolbp> damn phone calls
[19:51:57] <n1> 3 comments on that singapore story ¬_¬
[19:52:25] <janrinok> Damn - I used the 'a' word earlier - I said 'audience'. I am now beating myself with a stick of sharp thorns to make up for my deeds.
[19:52:38] <Woods> If that "Golf Courses Experiment With Pizza-Size Holes" story gets more comments, I will be sad.
[19:52:44] <janrinok> Of course, I meant readers!
[19:52:51] <n1> i'll admit, i've almost said it myself... caught myself before hitting submit/enter
[19:53:00] <n1> you mean community, janrinok.
[19:53:05] <janrinok> Woods: welcome to SN
[19:53:17] <Woods> lol... I will feel especially bad, because I posted it.
[19:53:27] <janrinok> or at least to our little group of eds....
[19:53:54] <janrinok> Can I say bollocks as a suitable way of showing remorse?
[19:54:08] <mrcoolbp> sure can
[19:54:10] <n1> Woods, I have learned that I have no idea of what stories float and which ones sink... Ones i expect to get some good comments, get very few and ones I don't think are that interesting, get quite a lot
[19:54:15] <Woods> Yes, but only half the people here even know what that means.
[19:54:42] <xlefay> I still hope one day *someone* (not me) will run an analysis on what people are interested in based on subject, comment & view counts and such
[19:54:43] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: I'd rather see the site not be geo-centric
[19:54:53] <janrinok> n1: reread that - but I know what you mean...
[19:54:55] <Woods> Oh geeze n1, I know right? I submitted an awesome story about the last mission for Cassini, but nobody really commented on it. :(
[19:54:56] <xlefay> mrcoolbp, I agree, I was joking earlier, I agreed with n1
[19:54:59] <mrcoolbp> ah
[19:55:07] * mrcoolbp is skimming backlog
[19:55:07] <n1> yeah
[19:55:16] <n1> i fucked that one up
[19:55:26] <janrinok> n1 - my bad. I must learn to reed proper lyke the big bois kan
[19:55:35] <n1> lol
[19:55:46] * mrcoolbp watches the cell-animations
[19:56:02] <Woods> Watch out for that second video if you have motion sickness.
[19:56:15] <n1> xlefay, I thought someone was looking at trying to work out the stories people are interested in
[19:56:49] <n1> someone asked for the info in #staff, and was given a spreadsheet with the info
[19:56:56] <n1> thats what i recall anyways
[19:58:23] <n1> I think we need another few hundred stories before we'll be able to see proper trends
[19:59:04] * mrcoolbp takes motion-sickness pills
[20:00:00] <n1> sensationalism and clickbait is not something we want to be known for, even if it does bring more hits
[20:00:19] <xlefay> n1, aah mechanicjay did that eah
[20:00:45] <n1> that sounds right
[20:01:12] <xlefay> yeah* I mean, an more thorough analysis, that'll determine what subject in itself people are interested in (not just a list with numbers of articles itself), e.g. keywords, comment keywords, etc..
[20:01:45] <n1> yeah, well i thought that was where it was heading, i didn't see anything on it after that
[20:01:49] <xlefay> essentially, an extensive analysis, of everything so you, the editors can stream-line stories based on that, and see how that goes
[20:02:08] <xlefay> n1, me neither bu MJ has been rather busy so maybe we'll see that soon :)
[20:02:47] <mrcoolbp> yeah I haven't seen him much
[20:02:53] <Woods> by Anonymous Coward: "Are we going to post all the Lame stories from that other site?"
[20:03:04] <n1> I think for that to work, streamlining stories on that
[20:03:07] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: should we post that email draft to the mailing list?
[20:03:08] <xlefay> Woods, don't take it personally
[20:03:11] <Woods> I have not been pre-screening the stories I accept at the other site, should I be?
[20:03:22] <n1> we'd move away from the submissions model to a degree
[20:03:31] <xlefay> mrcoolbp, yeah, he's been busy - I should check in with him sometime, see how he's doing
[20:03:51] <xlefay> mrcoolbp, also, yeah, after we get the raw numbers. but I'd just send it.. and message the list - saying what we sent.
[20:04:02] <n1> if we see what the community is interested in, and there are clear trends - we'll have to put the stories up ourselves
[20:04:17] <mrcoolbp> oh right, xlefay: waiting for NC on the numbers then?
[20:04:19] <n1> waiting for submissions, as with the old site, can mean we're weeks behind whats current
[20:04:22] <xlefay> n1, not perse, essentially, you'll just give a higher priority to those that are trending
[20:04:40] <xlefay> Although, the trending shit would be easily solved with a firehose of sorts
[20:04:43] <n1> n1, that would only work if we're getting more submissions than we are now
[20:04:58] <xlefay> A firehose would help do that I think
[20:05:06] <xlefay> mrcoolbp, yeah
[20:05:22] <mrcoolbp> cool
[20:05:34] <xlefay> http://pipedot.org the fuck
[20:06:24] <xlefay> LOL
[20:06:32] <xlefay> I posted a pipedot link .. and everyone goes quiet
[20:06:43] <Woods> Stunned silence.
[20:07:20] <n1> hadnt been on pipedot for a while
[20:07:36] <xlefay> Pipedot's pretty slick
[20:07:38] <n1> doesnt seem to be going anywhere
[20:07:44] <n1> but it still looks pretty
[20:07:45] <janrinok> Woods, you might find some useful tips on http://wiki.soylentnews.org but it is only draft so don't go getting too uptight about it.
[20:07:55] <xlefay> I'm actually pretty sure they're moving up
[20:08:09] <n1> oh?
[20:08:16] <janrinok> I've got a lot of work to do on it yet. By all means shout out the errors.
[20:08:27] <xlefay> That layout is to die for.. compared to SN's layout (sorry, but SN's layout is just.. ugly)
[20:08:44] <xlefay> It's simple, clean & effective ;)
[20:09:02] <n1> i agree pipedot looks better
[20:09:53] <n1> doesnt seem to have the users, based on 3 stories today and 8 comments
[20:10:14] <xlefay> I believe he paid about > $300 dollars for the logo (it was a competition) and it's a pretty one
[20:10:24] <xlefay> n1, from the looks of it, |. has >300 users so far
[20:10:29] <Woods> Janrinok: Thanks, I will take a look.
[20:10:54] <xlefay> oh, more than 500!
[20:11:06] <n1> we've had 11 articles so far today and 186 comments
[20:11:14] <xlefay> n1, in total ;)
[20:11:31] <n1> what, in total?
[20:11:42] <xlefay> I think it's quite impressive Pipedot got so far, since they wrote it from scratch
[20:11:48] <xlefay> n1, total comments today, right?
[20:11:50] <n1> yeah
[20:12:01] <n1> 186 comments over 11 articles
[20:12:02] <xlefay> Yeah pipedot's not winning that one
[20:12:32] <n1> and they didnt post anything on the 19th, 20th and 21st from what i saw
[20:13:04] <xlefay> ywah
[20:13:06] <xlefay> yeah*
[20:13:19] <n1> the site is pretty and the logo is nice, i havn't signed up or commented, so i don't know how sleek it is to use
[20:13:26] <n1> but they did very well from starting from nothing
[20:13:31] <janrinok> He's not doing bad though - is it still one man?
[20:13:46] <n1> but from what i saw, the devs here did pretty well, from starting with the slashcode mess
[20:13:51] <xlefay> believe the team has expended a bit
[20:13:57] <janrinok> thx xlefay
[20:14:01] <n1> there's 2 or 3 people posting stories iirc
[20:14:01] <xlefay> n1, no doubt
[20:14:25] <Woods> Janrinok: Do you want me to point out the US/UK differences in the Editing Process Wiki page?
[20:14:25] <janrinok> n1 you mean as eds, and not submissions?
[20:14:30] <n1> as eds
[20:14:31] <n1> yeah
[20:14:56] <Woods> I do not recall which we were going to use on the Wiki.
[20:15:01] <n1> all 3 stories they put up today have been by different editors
[20:15:08] <janrinok> Woods: it's written in UK English. Only tell me if it doesn't make sense in US English lol
[20:15:22] <Woods> That works. :)
[20:15:30] <n1> but they don't seem to include "$user writes:"
[20:15:37] <n1> so maybe they're sourcing the stories themselves
[20:15:51] <janrinok> that's not a bad effort at all then
[20:16:14] <n1> oh wait, it seems that the stories are posted by the submitters
[20:16:23] <n1> as one of the stories was posted by AC
[20:16:41] <janrinok> Ooo - there is room for some naughties there then....
[20:17:01] <xlefay> I'm sure they still need to be approved though
[20:17:05] <xlefay> I do kinda like that though
[20:17:15] <n1> yeah, I think they do need approving
[20:17:20] <mrcoolbp> there are definitely editors, he called for some applications at some point
[20:17:28] <mrcoolbp> and I know they have "submissions" by users
[20:17:40] <n1> if they didnt approve, i think there would be more stories
[20:17:42] <janrinok> We need to significantly rewrite slash if we wish to follow the same idea.
[20:17:45] <xlefay> yeah, the editors approve/disapprove, but the users name would stand there
[20:17:46] <mrcoolbp> GungnirSniper was posting submissions (not editor) over there
[20:18:13] <xlefay> janrinok, I would guess, it'd only be one small change in the template
[20:18:20] <janrinok> Yes, he left here after becoming an ed - I wonder if he was collecting ideas?
[20:18:47] <mrcoolbp> no idea, it was weird, he was here and then just left
[20:19:31] <janrinok> xlefay: no, the code is littered with <br><br> which we have to remove manually and replace with </p><p>. But paulej72 said that would have significant knock-on effects in the DB, if I remember correctly.
[20:19:52] <xlefay> janrinok, oh.. I thought you meant something else nvm
[20:20:13] <xlefay> I'm tired lol
[20:20:22] <janrinok> Yes the submission that we receive is not the one that goes out!
[20:20:23] <xlefay> Does anyone know if Audioguy's going to show up anytime soon?
[20:20:31] <xlefay> janrinok, makes sense
[20:21:43] <xlefay> holy...
[20:21:49] <xlefay> I clicked a twitter link, I see facebook
[20:22:06] <janrinok> the sky is falling....
[20:22:10] <xlefay> https://twitter.com
[20:22:12] <n1> yeah, if you read soylent news
[20:22:18] <n1> you'd know about that redesign ;)
[20:22:20] <xlefay> n1, I did read that one..
[20:22:26] <mrcoolbp> I can page audioguy
[20:22:27] <xlefay> but I didn't expect it to have happened already
[20:22:34] <xlefay> mrcoolbp, nah it's not that important
[20:22:37] <n1> yeah well, apparently you shouldn't have done, according to the comments it got :p
[20:22:53] <xlefay> hmm
[20:24:48] <n1> not sure why you'd click on a twitter link in the first place
[20:24:54] <xlefay> it was a mistake
[20:24:58] <Woods> Janrinok: I like the onimous "TO BE CONTINUED " at the end. Will there be a sequel?
[20:25:00] <xlefay> I meant to click somewhere else :/
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[20:28:22] <janrinok> Woods: Son of Editing Process Rides Again....!
[20:28:54] <janrinok> ...with zombies
[20:29:09] <Woods> Golf Pizza has 9 comments, btw. :\
[20:29:44] <n1> heh
[20:29:52] <n1> how many are constructive?
[20:29:58] <n1> or related to the article
[20:30:14] <janrinok> n1: you are very negative this evening - lolo
[20:30:39] <Woods> 7 related.
[20:30:44] <Woods> Thank you very much.
[20:31:00] <janrinok> How many did n1 write?
[20:31:12] <n1> lol
[20:31:14] <Woods> Probably 5, tough to tell how many alters he has.
[20:31:29] <janrinok> you've got to watch him closely you know...
[20:31:55] <Woods> Oh I will...
[20:32:19] * Woods watches n1 surreptitiously
[20:32:20] <janrinok> I'm the only one you can trust, honest!
[20:32:23] <n1> rofl
[20:32:55] <janrinok> and be very careful around xlefay ...., that's all I'll say here.
[20:33:34] * janrinok prepares to stir things up before he has to go...
[20:33:54] <n1> im about to leave too
[20:34:30] <n1> i'll be in the shadows later probably to fill up the queue before bed, but we probably need another 2 or 3 done until then
[20:35:26] <Woods> I will put a couple up, and try to find something to write about.
[20:35:40] <xlefay> janrinok, :)))
[20:35:51] <janrinok> I'm on the wiki at the moment. I'll try and push something out if my other half is cooperative.
[20:36:07] <xlefay> Oh god, you're sitting on it, aren't you?
[20:36:41] <janrinok> Yep, damned uncomfortable too!
[20:36:57] <xlefay> I bet. Wiki's do strange things to contributors, you've been warned!
[20:37:22] <janrinok> I lost an hours work a few weeks back - I was not a happy man!
[20:37:35] <xlefay> Auch
[20:37:59] <xlefay> You'd think with all that JS, it'd at the very least, save drafts of what you're working on..
[20:38:03] <n1> good chatting as always guys
[20:38:09] <n1> dont let the bastards grind you down!
[20:38:13] <xlefay> take care n1 :)
[20:38:17] <janrinok> same with you n1 - take care
[20:38:24] <xlefay> and stop commenting on the pizza/golf thing!
[20:38:28] <n1> laters :)
[20:38:29] <n1> LOL
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[20:38:40] <xlefay> take care buddy
[20:38:45] <janrinok> bye
[21:09:41] <janrinok> Woods - that is a very good story ref Netgear!
[21:10:16] <Woods> Did you check out the PDF? It made me chuckle.
[21:10:21] <janrinok> yep
[21:10:24] <Woods> I thought it was all going to be numbers and graphs
[21:10:36] <janrinok> the best tonight by far
[21:11:21] <Woods> I thought about swapping it with another story that is posting sooner, but tonight may make it more visible.
[21:11:50] <janrinok> I think it OK where it is, but it's your call
[21:12:36] <Woods> Nah, it will be fine.
[21:26:45] <janrinok> Woods, I've got to go and take care of my other half. Will be back on tomorrow.
[21:26:54] <Woods> Aight, catch you later.
[21:27:04] <janrinok> cheers bud
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[22:01:20] <mrcoolbp> Woods
[22:01:29] <Woods> Hm?
[22:02:41] <mrcoolbp> want in on the "staff vote?"
[22:02:48] <mrcoolbp> PM audioguy your email
[22:03:41] <Woods> Done, thanks.
[22:04:23] <mrcoolbp> np
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