#editorial | Logs for 2014-03-30

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[01:07:16] <mrcoolbp> FINALLY back
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[01:44:01] * mrcoolbp is busy with other stuff right now though....
[03:28:24] <n1> evening
[03:28:48] <mrcoolbp> good evening
[03:29:01] * mrcoolbp is trying to juggle 3 things right now
[03:30:03] <n1> do what you gotta do, im only here to distract righ tnow
[03:30:05] <n1> right now*
[03:30:43] <mrcoolbp> heh
[03:30:49] <mrcoolbp> how's the que looking?
[03:31:14] <n1> last story is scheduled for 08:00
[03:31:17] <n1> it's 02:30 now
[03:31:42] <n1> could probably move the timings around a bit if necessary
[03:31:47] <n1> the subs queue is pretty low
[03:31:57] <mrcoolbp> is the que red or green?
[03:32:30] <n1> there's 4 more to go, 3 are red and im checking them now
[03:32:52] <n1> there's two subs from janrinok so they should be pretty quick to do
[03:35:22] <n1> im under the influence of alcohol right now so i dont trust myself to do them
[03:37:27] <n1> janrinok already put the two subs i made earlier in the queue
[03:38:30] <mrcoolbp> okay, let me know if they need a double check (mention my name)
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[15:52:56] <n1> ahoy
[15:53:41] <xlefay> Good morning good sir ;)
[15:53:42] <xlefay> How are you?
[15:55:06] <n1> ive been better, managed to spill beer all over my phone last night
[15:55:20] <n1> and i have a specification to write today which ive been putting off doing for like a month
[15:55:27] <xlefay> Does it run more beery now?
[15:55:30] <n1> hows things for you, xlefay
[15:55:50] <xlefay> I see, putting stuff off is always a bad call :p
[15:56:02] <xlefay> busy with the monitoring stuff still ;)
[15:56:11] <xlefay> 80 services OK!
[15:56:21] <n1> nice!
[15:56:23] <xlefay> and a shitload of service groups rofl
[15:56:28] <xlefay> s/service/host/
[15:56:52] <xlefay> The CentOS & Private HTTP server groups seem a bit lonely :'(
[15:57:18] <n1> site is pretty quiet right now, i see only 11 hits on the most recent story so far
[15:57:45] <xlefay> http://www.imgdumper.nl :)
[15:58:03] <xlefay> Yeah, it's Sunday, people are probably just spending their day with family and all
[15:58:12] <xlefay> err, Saturday
[15:58:37] <n1> all very pretty and healthy looking :p
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[15:58:45] <n1> yeah, i just got back from sunday lunch with the family
[15:58:54] <xlefay> Yep, but still a shitload of services and stuff to add :P
[16:00:17] <n1> well, i hope it never ends, just like the editing never will :p
[16:01:21] <xlefay> Hopefully. I'm looking in the possibility of having two nodes do the monitoring, but the downside is two notifications if something goes down unless one of the monitoring node goes down, so then you get to distributed monitoring and it's implementation sees to defeat the purpose slightly
[16:02:35] <n1> that requires an effort+cost/benefit analysis
[16:03:12] <xlefay> The way they described one solution would require a single(!) "master" server which instructs monitor servers to monitor stuff
[16:03:49] <xlefay> So you'll need three servers and still have a single point of failure...... -.- I'll have to read on a bit, maybe they thought of that, but from the way it looks; I think not
[16:04:35] <xlefay> There's a clear benefit situation: if Boron goes down so goes our monitoring, having another server do it, saves that problem; and it's unlikely both go down (generally)
[16:05:19] <n1> having a seperate server for monitoring doesnt sound like a bad idea
[16:05:31] <xlefay> as for effort, let's say I've got plenty of time at the moment, as for cost, resources aren't much of an issue; thinking of just setting up a secondary server which checks the hartbeat for boron, if it goes down, it just starts it's own Icinga instance
[16:05:37] <n1> but trying to have two servers for it, with a third master server or not
[16:05:43] <n1> sounds like redundancy for no real benefit
[16:06:16] <xlefay> I don't want a master server ;) I just want two servers, one that normally runs and one in case the monitoring server goes down
[16:06:36] <xlefay> primary monitoring server goes down* :)
[16:06:38] <n1> have the second monitoring server check the first one?
[16:07:02] <xlefay> No, just a heartbeat by default. If the heartbeat of the primary monitoring server stops, auto start the local monitoring system
[16:07:14] <n1> right, i get you
[16:07:15] <xlefay> So technically, it would be monitoring yea
[16:07:40] <n1> checking the first one is live, and then switching or starting services as necessary if not
[16:08:01] <xlefay> Exactly. Will just need to ensure everything is already pre-synced, e.g. monitoring configs, etc.
[16:09:27] <xlefay> Maybe when NC gets back I can pick his brain about this, he's got more experience than me ;)
[16:09:49] <n1> NC the oracle
[16:10:32] <xlefay> Thinking a cron job that checks every minute or so if the master server is up, should be good enough
[16:10:56] <n1> i'm all for simplicity and thats the most simple way i'd figure
[16:11:08] <xlefay> I'd rather waste a negligible tiny bit of resource every minute; because that one time, you really need it - you'll want it fast
[16:11:52] <n1> yeah, the resources to do it would be barely any
[16:12:13] <xlefay> exactly
[16:12:26] <xlefay> so yea, technically, the primary would be a master server rofl
[16:12:43] <n1> lol
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[20:25:21] <n1> things all good with you, janrinok?
[20:29:41] <janrinok> yeah good - feeling better?
[20:30:11] <n1> yeah, slowly feeling normal again
[20:30:30] <janrinok> obviously a good night then.
[20:31:25] <n1> yeah, it was until i spilled my nightcap beer over my phone just as i was about to go to bed
[20:31:31] <janrinok> rofl
[20:31:54] <n1> and the times changing, so after cleaning up that mess
[20:31:58] <n1> i barely got any sleep
[20:32:09] <janrinok> I suppose I should commiserate with the loss of the beer....
[20:32:22] <n1> the loss of my phone is more painful
[20:32:34] <n1> the charger/usb port no longer works
[20:32:50] <janrinok> give it a day or 2 to dry out
[20:33:05] <janrinok> did you rinse it with water? seriously.
[20:33:14] <n1> im working around it at the moment, as i have a seperate battery charger
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[20:33:54] <n1> ive ordered a new phone via ebay from the usa, i needed one anyway really
[20:33:57] <janrinok> the sugars in the beer will form a syrup which will be forever hydroscopic - I thing that is the correct phrase.
[20:34:14] <janrinok> think*
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[20:36:35] <n1> it's been on its way out for a while
[20:36:47] <n1> randomly restarting, more scratches on the screen than viewable display
[20:37:22] <n1> and it being of a generally poor specification anyway
[20:37:42] <janrinok> so the greatest loss _was_ the beer - I knew it!
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[20:38:02] <n1> lol
[20:38:11] <n1> was only san miguel
[20:38:26] <janrinok> One more story today and we will have achieved 48 hours of stories ALL DOUBLE CHECKED!
[20:38:30] <janrinok> That is a first!
[20:39:03] <n1> wow lol
[20:39:52] <n1> have you looked at the dark matter submission at all?
[20:39:56] <janrinok> there has only been the 3 of of us over the weekend but I cannot say how grateful I am that you joined us. The workload went from silly to bearable. Thanks
[20:40:13] <n1> :)
[20:40:36] <janrinok> I've spent most of my time on the wiki, only posting a few when I had to.
[20:41:37] <n1> hopefully things will continue in this direction, im getting the flow of it
[20:41:44] <janrinok> I'm trying to capture all the information that a new editor would want to know in a format that is easily digestable. Not exactly a tutorial but at least somewhere where a potential ed can get a feel for things.
[20:42:00] <n1> it's quite a contrast, some submissions take a couple of minutes, some take what feels like forever
[20:42:20] <janrinok> Yep, I've actually got a paragraph on that!
[20:42:33] <janrinok> actually several in different places.
[20:42:52] <n1> people who write proper submissions deserve gold stars
[20:43:01] <janrinok> I'll take a look at your sub now as a bit of a break.
[20:43:44] <n1> the dark matter sub isn't mine, it could be good all i noted was it was copy/pasted straight from the article and i dont really know what im reading with that
[20:45:34] <janrinok> OK, it's not too difficult. What we would normally do is move the link nearer to the beginning and add a very short summary. And then blockquote all the copy/pasta with a 'From the article' starter. Does that make sense?
[20:46:50] <n1> yeah, thats what i figured and how i've done it before
[20:46:54] <janrinok> As long as it is obviously quoted, any errors are the responsibility of the original link and not the editors. Doesn't mean they can't be wrong though...
[20:47:04] <n1> i looked at the story yesterday but i wasnt in the right frame of mind to work out if there was anything to it
[20:48:06] <janrinok> Its only a few days old and it is a significant find if it is eventually proven to be true.
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[20:48:57] <janrinok> Give it a shot and, if you are still not sure, just untick the Display option until I can have another look at it. You happy with that?
[20:49:09] <n1> yeah thats cool
[20:49:26] <janrinok> we don't have to release it if we are not happy with it.
[20:50:30] <janrinok> But take it easy - its the weekend and you need to enjoy yourself as well. It will wait until tomorrow if you would rather just chill.
[20:51:59] <n1> its been sitting there annoying me, so i'll get it done now :p
[20:52:04] <janrinok> k
[20:52:13] <n1> i might do some subs tomorrow, if the queue doesnt build up
[20:52:46] <janrinok> It usually picks up tomorrow afternoon for us, as the US begins to wake up and they return to work.
[20:54:21] <n1> heh
[20:54:34] <janrinok> We only need another 4-5 subs spread at 90-120 mins to see us through to tomorrow afternoon for us.
[20:55:39] <janrinok> or even spread at 120-150 mins - very few Americans read it during a Sunday night.
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[20:59:12] <n1> yeah, i imagine early monday for us will be as quiet as it is now
[21:00:28] <janrinok> yep
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[21:02:28] <janrinok> The 2 boxzy subs are over 6 months old. I'm wondering whether to email him to say thanks but no thanks.
[21:03:42] <n1> yeah, i saw one you'd already tagged
[21:03:46] <n1> and i looked at the other and saw the same
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[21:04:05] <n1> i finished with dark matter, if you want to take a peek
[21:05:07] <janrinok> will do
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[21:10:19] <janrinok> I can tell that you are tired. A couple of typos and you left <br><br> pairs in! Lol - no probs, its released.
[21:10:50] <n1> my apologies
[21:10:56] <janrinok> not necessary.
[21:11:14] <janrinok> its why we use 2 eds.
[21:11:39] <janrinok> You'll be doing the same for me at sometime!
[21:12:40] <n1> my logic is team work, i dont mind anyone correcting or changing anything i post, if someone sees something wrong, even if it's only semantics then it should be changed
[21:13:56] <janrinok> If you get bored at work tomorrow, you could do me a favour and look at the topic I've started in our team area of the wiki. I would welcome your input. Please don't make direct changes but make your comments on the Discussion page, or save them and laugh at me later as you go through them one by one....
[21:14:36] <n1> sure thing
[21:16:19] <janrinok> Actually, I think that the Dark Matter story is quite interesting but the abstract is a bit over my head!
[21:16:48] <n1> yeah, thats why i wanted your view on it... even more over my head
[21:17:04] <janrinok> somebody will _love_ it
[21:17:28] <n1> indeed
[21:17:33] <janrinok> I'm just doing a purge of crap submissions
[21:17:34] <xlefay> hey janrinok, you're here!
[21:17:44] <janrinok> xlefay: yep - how's things?
[21:17:57] <janrinok> and they didn't get either of us....
[21:18:09] <xlefay> 'they' didn't take you then I guess? Unless, one of us isn't who they claim to be
[21:18:23] <xlefay> Good, good, you? (don't mean to interrupt your convo though, just noticed you talking!)
[21:18:29] <janrinok> I thought we solved that one last night!
[21:18:56] <janrinok> np, we're just chatting. n1 is a bit fragile after last night...
[21:18:59] <xlefay> Yes, but a lot can change within a day, for instance, one could get taken by 'them'
[21:19:10] <xlefay> Why is that?
[21:19:18] <xlefay> (e.g. what happened last night?)
[21:19:19] <janrinok> its ok, I double locked my door last night.
[21:19:20] <n1> booze, lack of sleep
[21:19:30] <xlefay> Oh, I thought you broke the site.
[21:19:38] <janrinok> tell him about the telephone - rofl
[21:19:41] <n1> not yet ;)
[21:19:51] <n1> oh yeah, and i spilled beer all over my phone just before i went to bed
[21:20:00] <xlefay> n1, I guess we'll need to get those rumors out of the air then
[21:20:16] <xlefay> and yea, you told me that ;) you still haven't answered though, is the phone more beery now?
[21:20:23] <n1> before i joined the editorial team, i was told i could blame janrinok for everything
[21:20:35] <janrinok> is it a Blackbeery phone now?
[21:20:52] <xlefay> n1, or paulej72, take your pick
[21:20:56] <n1> it smells of beer thats for sure
[21:20:59] <janrinok> why not - everyone else does...
[21:21:30] <paulej72> don’’t blame me I dont even work here
[21:21:41] <n1> lol
[21:21:46] <janrinok> Yes, the others were telling us that paulej72
[21:22:50] <janrinok> paulej72: did you track down that annoying bug that was stripping out the 'byline' tag, or am I expecting too much too soon?
[21:23:28] <xlefay> And so it begins
[21:23:40] <paulej72> Yes I fixed that on dev, writing it up now on for a pull
[21:23:51] <janrinok> good work
[21:24:21] <janrinok> but take it easy, its Sunday, a day for chillin etc
[21:24:40] <xlefay> paulej72, re: not working here, that's just a minor inconvenient detail, we can just pretend you do!
[21:25:24] <janrinok> xlefay: quick to the kill, that's my boy....
[21:25:44] <xlefay> !grab janrinok
[21:25:44] <PoeticWarlord> Added quote 1
[21:25:48] <xlefay> At your service, sir.
[21:26:09] <janrinok> I'm sure that will come back to haunt me....
[21:26:27] <xlefay> I'm fairly sure it will
[21:26:36] <janrinok> lol
[21:26:45] <xlefay> What else are quotes for? ;)
[21:27:13] <janrinok> Is someone still looking at starting soylent.bash.org?
[21:27:28] <xlefay> Yes, actually. ;)
[21:27:39] <janrinok> otherwise known as the NCommander quotation book
[21:27:54] <xlefay> Why do you think I'm calling it ncdb?
[21:28:03] <janrinok> like it!
[21:29:06] <n1> janrinok, seeing the discussion in #Soylent?
[21:29:29] <xlefay> janrinok, anyway, same deal tomorrow?
[21:29:50] <xlefay> We should shuffle the protocol a bit though, otherwise we'll get predictable and they'll use it against us!
[21:31:08] <janrinok> Anybody know? We've got a submission in the queue that we will probably never release, but it might be worth transferring it to dev. Is there an easy way of doing that?
[21:31:16] <janrinok> n1 yep thx
[21:35:22] <janrinok> xlefay: yep tomorrow is good for me....
[21:38:15] <xlefay> haha alright :p
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[21:43:55] <janrinok> MrBluze: how's things?
[21:44:22] <MrBluze> hi janrinok
[21:44:36] <MrBluze> ok, i have been unproductive here because of deadlines at work
[21:44:39] <MrBluze> how are u??
[21:45:06] <janrinok> good but approaching the end of my day. Pity you have had to work on the weekend - is that usual?
[21:45:07] <MrBluze> i just looked at the stories queue ... normally i put 2-3 stories in overnight for consideration
[21:45:20] <MrBluze> im on call on some weekends
[21:45:26] <MrBluze> but i have a programming job i have to get finished
[21:46:22] <janrinok> when that happens you have little choice. Don't worry about here, the 3 of us will keep it going until tomorrow.
[21:46:55] <MrBluze> thanks
[21:47:04] <MrBluze> if i get a break today i will write some stories
[21:47:18] <janrinok> take a rest - the stories will keep
[21:47:32] <MrBluze> .. as the world approaches the brink once again (checking news feeds)
[21:47:36] <MrBluze> cheers
[21:47:47] <MrBluze> ill talk to u later :)
[21:47:49] <MrBluze> gtg
[21:47:51] <janrinok> l8r
[21:47:53] <n1> :), thanks MrBluze
[21:47:56] <n1> take it easy
[21:48:30] <janrinok> n1 are you editing that Abraham story or just viewing it? I think it could work but it will take some careful wording.
[21:49:15] <n1> i viewed it
[21:49:25] <n1> i wasn't sure about it
[21:49:32] <n1> was it news/relevant or just flamebait
[21:52:02] <janrinok> well it's in date, and if it was worded so as to no know religion, but to point out that the cause might not be Satan, but the fact that no-one rates it as a worthwhile investment, it could be published. At first, I wasn't sure if April 1st had come a few days early...
[21:52:19] <janrinok> so as to not knock religion*
[21:52:31] <n1> heheh
[21:52:32] <janrinok> that was a typo and a half!
[21:54:07] <janrinok> I'd need to consult with LamX to see if he was happy, but I would be prepared to try to edit it if he is.
[21:55:42] <janrinok> n1^
[21:55:58] <janrinok> I've marked the submission for LamX's attention.
[21:58:44] <n1> sounds like a plan
[21:59:24] <n1> although dinner sounds like an even better plan right now
[21:59:48] <janrinok> I'll be gone soon, so have a good dinner, a better evening, and cu tomorrow.
[22:00:23] <n1> take care :)
[22:07:07] <janrinok> u2
[22:09:23] <janrinok> cheers all
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