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[04:07:58] <LaminatorX> Good evening.
[04:08:46] <mattie_p> hey, LaminatorX
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[04:09:29] <LaminatorX> So, n1, now that you've taken backslash for a spin, do you have any questions?
[04:13:19] <n1> not really, i think i get it
[04:14:05] <n1> about to get some sleep
[04:15:30] <LaminatorX> Alright. I'll queue things up for overnight. I do note that a couple of your stories have had quotation marks around blockquoted material. That is an error. The block-quote takes the place of the quotation marks.
[04:15:53] <n1> noted
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[04:16:28] <LaminatorX> I've fixed them where I've come across it. Good work overall though.
[04:16:28] <n1> if you have any other thoughts let me know, and ill just do some more tomorrow
[04:17:21] <n1> laters, LaminatorX, mrcoolbp
[04:17:27] <LaminatorX> That's the only one that's jumped out at me. Keep up the good work.
[04:17:40] <mrcoolbp> later n1
[04:17:53] <mrcoolbp> how's it going LaminatorX?
[04:18:05] <LaminatorX> Well, yourself?
[04:18:19] <mrcoolbp> pretty well thanks.
[04:20:38] <LaminatorX> How about we each queue up two for overnight?
[04:21:31] <mrcoolbp> sure, are we still running about 1:10 between them?
[04:24:03] <LaminatorX> I tend to space them out a bit more in the wee hours. Mayby hold off on any UK specific content until after 0800 UTC as well.
[04:24:53] <mrcoolbp> makes sense, do you want me to tackle that Carmack tweet? I know it's old but I found some cool articles (one from anandtech) about it
[04:25:52] <LaminatorX> Which one?
[04:26:17] <mrcoolbp> "transatlantic ping faster then sending pixel to screen"
[04:27:08] <LaminatorX> If you've been doing the legwork, then by all means, please do.
[04:27:27] <LaminatorX> Have you noticed where you can see what other editors are working on?
[04:27:31] <mrcoolbp> no
[04:27:34] <mrcoolbp> not yet
[04:28:25] <LaminatorX> If you scroll to the bottom of the stories list, you'll see a list of all the editors and site admins, past and present.
[04:29:40] <LaminatorX> It looks like n1 still has a window on "French intelligence has unrestricted telco access" open, and I have one open on the Carmack tweet.
[04:29:44] <mrcoolbp> cool, you are working on Universe's Death clock, I see it
[04:30:16] <LaminatorX> I was, before I looked at the transatlatic ping.
[04:31:00] <LaminatorX> It's not as robust as CVS or the like, but you can at least stve off the parallel-editing dupe threat.
[04:32:51] <mrcoolbp> hopefully
[04:32:53] <LaminatorX> I'm going to merge those two Oculus/fb followups, and put them in hold for a followup story over the weekend.
[04:33:01] <mrcoolbp> okay
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[04:44:01] <mrcoolbp> LaminatorX: I could be overthinking this but I have this question: with this "transatlantic ping" story, I plan on expanding on it greatly, should I make light of that? or do we give the credit to the submitter (in this case AC)?
[04:44:19] <mrcoolbp> do we just fade into the background?
[04:45:42] <LaminatorX> With an AC, it doesn't so much matter. Generally, we should fade, but if you want to take a more active voice that's OK too. Just make sure to make it clear when you're doing so.
[04:46:03] <mrcoolbp> okay, thanks
[04:46:24] <LaminatorX> I had to pick the one with all the unicode. Razzzn fraggn.
[04:46:29] <mrcoolbp> ug
[04:48:25] <LaminatorX> This is my friend: http://en.wikipedia.org
[04:49:16] <LaminatorX> The &####; format almost always works, but the perl-wash at the submission stage massacres the originally input characters something fierce.
[04:49:58] <mrcoolbp> we should get Dev on that when they have some time
[04:50:02] <mrcoolbp> thanks for the link
[04:51:02] <mrcoolbp> wow, didn't realize pipedot was only posting 2-3 stories/day
[04:52:58] <LaminatorX> That's part of why I didn't want to come down on GS for x-submitting. Being nice to |. is good karma.
[04:53:27] <LaminatorX> Speaking of which, hi there GungnirSniper, how are you this evening?
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[05:05:05] <mrcoolbp> heh, understood Laminator, I'm trying to keep an eye over there so we don't post exact dupes now though.
[05:05:11] <mrcoolbp> figure my first story....
[05:06:36] <LaminatorX> My suggestion to anyone who does it, is to be prepared to step in to the comments and explain it, should there be an issue.
[05:07:33] <mrcoolbp> fair, LaminatorX. Also, when you get some time (stop laughing) would you add to the story style Doc as well?
[05:08:39] <LaminatorX> I think I'll have some this weekend. I want to finish the FAQ first though. It keeps getting bumped by life.
[05:10:23] <mrcoolbp> yeah
[05:10:34] <GungnirSniper> <3 LaminatorX. What FAQ are you working on?
[05:10:37] <mrcoolbp> hey that youtube link skips the whole video BTW, I'll fix it
[05:10:45] <mrcoolbp> The FAQ for the main page
[05:11:09] <mrcoolbp> LaminatorX, if you want to send me what you have, I can take a look....
[05:12:27] <LaminatorX> It's saved at work at the moment. If I get slammed again at the office again tomorrow, I'll send it along though. The other guy who does my job for my region's wive just had a baby, so I've been working for two this week.
[05:13:26] <GungnirSniper> Funny, one of my coworkers just had a boy, but we'll pretend his work isn't as important as happy hour.
[05:15:14] <mrcoolbp> LaminatorX: no problem
[05:16:11] <LaminatorX> The trans-at ping story looks good, mrcoolbp. You forgot to title-case the headline though.
[05:16:20] <mrcoolbp> ug
[05:16:29] <mrcoolbp> that's why we have checks
[05:16:48] * mrcoolbp is watching the death clock video
[05:17:02] <LaminatorX> I'd normally have fixed it myself, but I figured feedback for training is good. :P
[05:21:30] <mrcoolbp> oh, I'll fix it, thanks
[05:21:53] <mrcoolbp> oh you did already...
[05:23:45] <LaminatorX> Yup. Alright. I'm going to sneak off to bed. Feel free to give my posts a second look as well. I'll look at anything else you post tonight over breakfast.
[05:24:24] <mrcoolbp> goodnight sir.
[05:24:52] <mrcoolbp> = )
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[05:28:06] <GungnirSniper> Is it time to remove Barrabas' editor permissions?
[05:29:12] <LaminatorX> I think he's on the list historically, yes? (Please tell me the list under stories is historical.)
[05:30:54] <GungnirSniper> Looking at his user page, I don't see anything since March 10th.
[05:31:38] <mrcoolbp> I think we should remove, I notified NC
[05:31:51] <LaminatorX> I don't think he's been banned from the site, but all his privs should be standard user now.
[05:31:57] <mrcoolbp> they are
[05:32:15] <mrcoolbp> look in #staff, for some reason slash still lists him there
[05:32:24] <mrcoolbp> I need to sleep as well
[05:32:31] <mrcoolbp> goodnight people
[05:32:43] <LaminatorX> Gnight gang.
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[11:12:50] <janrinok> hi guys
[11:12:56] <janrinok> n1: are you around?
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[15:25:21] <janrinok> hi GungnirSniper
[15:41:26] <n1> afternoon
[15:41:43] <n1> hey janrinok, im mostly here now
[15:44:16] <janrinok> n1 how's it going? Do you want to continue part 2 of your training?
[15:45:33] * janrinok counts the 4.5 hours for response to last question, and wonders if he has time to make a cup of tea...
[15:46:11] <n1> lol
[15:47:01] <n1> are you especially busy at the moment/soon because im just finishing up some real work and could do with preparing some lunch? If you could give me an hour
[15:47:53] <janrinok> no probs, it will probably be better this evening, as I suspect I will be going as soon as you are finishing lunch.
[15:49:29] <n1> sounds good, i'm going to be around this afternoon and evening, if im not it's most likely just a brief detour to the shop
[15:50:13] <janrinok> OK, we will do it later. I'll leave you to earn your crust and do some real work.
[15:51:10] <n1> sounds like a plan, hope you didnt take offence to my editing of your story yesterday but after reading the comments it just really stood out to me
[15:51:38] <janrinok> No, I wouldn't have but that doesn't make either of us right/wrong. It is a matter of taste.
[15:52:37] <janrinok> But having bought a 2013 Oxford Dictionary - the big one not the concise - I note that software piracy and hackers are both accepted terms now, but neither means what we would like it to mean.
[15:53:37] <n1> i replied to your comment on the subject, and i took it as the "guilty until proven innocent" implication was the issue, not in which way the term was used
[15:54:02] <janrinok> Yes I saw that, thanks. But np either way :)
[15:54:41] <n1> cool, thanks. just trying to help :)
[15:54:45] <n1> anyway, i'll be back soon
[15:54:47] <n1> speak to you later
[15:54:51] <janrinok> I releases all of your stories yesterday evening. Thanks for that. I can tell the difference that an extra ed or two makes.
[15:54:58] <janrinok> released*
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[16:01:11] <GungnirSniper> Oh hey everybody. :)
[16:01:20] <janrinok> hi GungnirSniper how's things?
[16:01:50] <LaminatorX> Good morning
[16:02:16] <janrinok> LaminatorX: hi, good afternoon to you also. You are well, I hope?
[16:02:55] <LaminatorX> Indeed so, thanks.
[16:03:53] <GungnirSniper> If it's afternoon somewhere, I don't feel bad about steak for breakfast here.
[16:03:57] <LaminatorX> Are you ready to learn the editor's tools, GungnirSniper?
[16:04:10] <janrinok> I started n1 off last night - I hope you don't mind - but I told him to make sure his stories are not displayed until they have been seen by someone else. At least until you formally approve him.
[16:04:52] <janrinok> GungnirSniper: steak for breakfast. Like that idea but very un-French.
[16:05:15] <LaminatorX> N1 seems to be doing fine, Janrinok, well done.
[16:05:45] <GungnirSniper> ::claps::
[16:06:02] <janrinok> A bit more to do with n1, we'll do that this evening.
[16:06:19] * janrinok bows to GungnirSniper
[16:47:38] <n1> wow its a busy friday afternoon
[16:47:49] <n1> you still around janrinok or on your way out?
[16:56:54] <janrinok> still here but leaving soon
[16:57:59] <n1> if you want to show me anything, ive got a few minutes, or we can wait until later
[16:59:06] <janrinok> ok pick a submission and let me know which one
[16:59:19] <n1> smoking ban
[16:59:26] <janrinok> ok open it
[16:59:41] <janrinok> ..in edit mode
[17:00:05] <janrinok> move to the topics field
[17:00:30] <n1> ok
[17:00:39] <janrinok> Selection of topics works, but to my mind isn't intuitive
[17:01:10] <janrinok> If you highlight the word Science in the list and then press the 'x' symbol it will remove it. do it.
[17:01:29] <n1> yup
[17:01:55] <janrinok> if you now press the '+' symbol it opens another window
[17:02:07] <n1> i see it
[17:02:41] <janrinok> select the topic from there and press the 'Add' at the bottom. On a wide screen the selection is a long way from the field that you are trying to update
[17:03:07] <n1> yeah, done
[17:03:52] <janrinok> Initially, when I was fist looking at the right hand window, I thought that Add would insert a new topic into the list - it just doesn't feel right to me.
[17:04:08] <n1> only one topic allowed?
[17:04:08] <GungnirSniper> I can't see the smoking story, does it disappear from the list when another editor is working on it?
[17:04:21] <janrinok> no - it shouldn't GungnirSniper
[17:04:40] <janrinok> n1: try adding more than one
[17:04:47] <LaminatorX> It's in the submissions list, not the stories list.
[17:05:20] <n1> added a second topic
[17:05:43] <janrinok> now the problem will be, which topic will have it icon displayed when the story appears?
[17:06:19] <n1> on the preview
[17:06:19] <n1> both
[17:07:22] <janrinok> And I don't know how to test it (other than on dev.soylentnews.org) to find out what happens when the story appears. LaminatorX do you know?
[17:07:59] <n1> the preview shows the science ontop of news, same as in the topic/nexus list
[17:08:17] <janrinok> n1 - I suspect that it will be the same as the preview, but I've never seen it used on this site or the other.
[17:08:24] <n1> me either
[17:08:34] <janrinok> Perhaps I've just not been paying attention.
[17:09:38] <janrinok> There was a story earlier about tablets and MS Word - it would have been ideal for 2 icons but I didn't get to try it.
[17:10:10] <n1> shall we try it having two topics on this one?
[17:10:23] <janrinok> And, because I've never seen it used, I don't know what it might do to the DB. I'd rather not be the one to crash the system!
[17:10:25] <LaminatorX> I don't know about the icons. Slash has worked both ways over the years, I'm not sure how our version would jump. I don't think it would hurt anything though.
[17:10:47] <n1> the way it displays, seems like it's supposed to do it
[17:11:02] <janrinok> n1, edit the story and put it in the queue, and we'll see what happens...
[17:11:08] <n1> ok
[17:13:39] <janrinok> Thinking about it, as I have, I suspect that the DB will have a field, or perhaps 2, in which to store topics. I've got no idea what happens if you go outside the number of fields. And if the number is 1, then we could be in for a bit of a giggle...
[17:17:40] <n1> how long can the dept field be?
[17:18:08] <janrinok> another good question
[17:18:19] <janrinok> this could be an entertaining weekend.
[17:18:30] <n1> lol
[17:19:02] <janrinok> Anyway, that was just a little aside to fill 15-20 minutes.
[17:19:11] <n1> the article just reminded me of a song, so im trying to work that into the dept. :p
[17:19:12] <LaminatorX> I'm headed to lunch, i'll be back on this afternoon though.
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[17:19:31] <janrinok> cul8r, you going before it is released huh?
[17:19:43] <n1> laters, LaminatorX|afk
[17:22:14] <janrinok> I suspect that there are quite a few pitfalls that no-one has looked at in the slashcode. The point is, that it is easy to do something that those who originally wrote the code didn't imagine.
[17:22:51] <n1> everything ive seen the devs talk about slashcode isn't surprising
[17:22:56] <n1> it's a mess and blah
[17:23:05] <janrinok> exactly.
[17:23:24] <n1> which im not surprised that the code is a mess on a site for people obsessed with semantics
[17:23:53] <n1> but it seems stable at least, even if it's dysfunctional
[17:24:44] <janrinok> At some point, you are going to make all the same mistakes that every other editor has made. It doesn't matter what anyone tells you, it will happen. And there is a very good chance that we will, at some time, crash the system. We just have to accept that, take the criticism that will surely come our way, and move on.
[17:25:16] <janrinok> It is only stable if you do things that they expect you to do.
[17:25:30] <n1> yeah, im trying to be very careful
[17:25:43] <n1> ive broken enough stuff on my own projects over the years lol
[17:26:01] <janrinok> I would suggest that weekends are the best (??) time for trying something new as we invariably have a lower readership and fewer submissions.
[17:27:32] <n1> i think the story is ready, if you want to look it over
[17:27:40] <janrinok> ok will do then I must fly
[17:30:37] <janrinok> K, it looks good. We'll have to wait until later to see what happens.
[17:30:58] <n1> sounds like a plan
[17:31:13] <janrinok> I've got to dash, but if either you or GungnirSniper wants to 2nd ed my other 2 stories, then I'm happy.
[17:31:54] <n1> ok, will do that, i might work on another story after i get back from the shop, wont display unless ya'll vanish
[17:33:44] <janrinok> I'll be back on in a couple of hours, LaminatorX|afk likewise. We can start looking a bit more at content or, if you prefer, you can just go ahead and do more stories. When you feel confident - I suspect you are already - ask for LaminatorX|afk's blessing to be let loose and then you can start releasing your stories as well.
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[17:34:34] <n1> take it easy :)
[17:34:38] <janrinok|afk> u2
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[18:15:32] <LaminatorX> I think you can start releasing your stories n1. Don't hesitate to ask questions.
[18:16:38] <LaminatorX> .topapp http://wiki.soylentnews.org
[18:16:47] <LaminatorX> .help
[18:17:18] <LaminatorX> .topicappend http://wiki.soylentnews.org
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[18:17:41] <LaminatorX> .topicappend http://en.wikipedia.org
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[18:55:45] <n1> thanks, LaminatorX
[18:59:47] <LaminatorX> Keep up the good work. There're some fine points yet to learn, but you know more at this point than I did when I started.
[19:00:32] <LaminatorX> Check that list of unicode characters up in the topic, when you have a chance.
[19:01:17] <LaminatorX> Slash murders unicode in submitted stories much of the time, but will properly handle &###; entries.
[19:02:50] <LaminatorX> If you can figure out what the mangled character was originally supposed to be, entering the appropriate &###; will get the job done.
[19:03:48] <n1> i had that yesterday, i think you finished it off on the french telecoms story
[19:04:18] <n1> i was halfway through editing it but falling asleep when you turned up last night so i gave up heh
[19:07:19] <LaminatorX> I saw you'd had it open for like half an hour. :)
[19:08:04] <LaminatorX> Thankfully in that case it was simple enough to look in the article and see all eh accent greves.
[19:09:03] <LaminatorX> Not hard once you know, frustrating as heck until then.
[19:09:38] <n1> was a bit too tired at that point for editing... shouldnt edit whilst half asleep or drunk, it's even harder than i thought!
[19:10:09] <n1> i'll get better once i get more of a flow to it
[19:11:38] <LaminatorX> I will fully admit to editing while tired/and or drinking. Hopefully with more hands it will be necessary less often.
[19:16:23] <LaminatorX> The high water mark for distraction is probably a Google hangout with Barrabas, NCommander, Dopefish and mattie_p where I was listenning in on headphones but couldn't talk because I was in the sound-booth at a music club running the board for a Dr. Dre tribute night. I probably caught about 2/3 of the meeting.
[19:17:20] <LaminatorX> It still was nice to get a feel for personalities moreso than we get on IRC though.
[19:21:17] <n1> yeah that would have been interesting
[19:21:43] <n1> im guessing that was at the start, and some time before barrabas left
[19:22:47] <LaminatorX> Right, that was just before we went live. The big shocker was that there was no distinct "Editor" permission level in slash. Everyone was AC, user, or site-admin.
[19:24:03] <LaminatorX> It kind of shed some light on the amoung of half-assed editing /. has had over the years. Nobody's job was "editor." It was all the devs and admins pitching in between their other work.
[19:25:06] <n1> a degree of irony on the basis of the site and the comments from a technical perspective, and how the site works in contradiction to that.
[19:25:23] <LaminatorX> NCommander sorted out the permission levels by the next day, thankfully.
[19:25:45] <n1> there wasnt a lot of editors on the old site from what i recall
[19:25:50] <n1> or a lot of the admin doing editing
[19:26:36] <n1> if anything, doing the editing yesterday has given me insight into how far the submissions are from the story they come to be
[19:27:57] <n1> working from the submissions is actually harder than starting from scratch with a story, but obviously saves the time and work in finding a story
[19:28:47] <LaminatorX> The hands-on html rejiggering should become less over time, as our default formatting gets de-/.-ed. But yeah, it's a very different thing.
[19:29:33] <LaminatorX> Some are almost ready to go right out of the gate, some might need half re-written but be worth the work for a great topic.
[19:30:01] <n1> yeah, thats where i got to last night, there were good stories but i was too tired to actually get my brain back into gear to make it work
[19:30:56] <n1> oh and it's a way off yet, months, vaguely related your soundbooth distractions... later this summer i'm working on two music festivals, from setup to knockdown, so i'll be gone for like a week x2
[19:31:58] <n1> ive had enough trouble over the last couple years just checking email on my phone because the networks get so weighed down by traffic
[19:32:03] <LaminatorX> Cool, keep the team in the loop. Which festivals?
[19:32:37] <n1> couple of small ones, Wickham festival, and Bikes On The Farm, which will be its first year
[19:33:08] <n1> i got the contract to do the CCTV and some other things
[19:33:36] <LaminatorX> Great news. I always enjoy watching UK concerts rebroadcast over here. The big pennants are a neat tradition.
[19:34:06] <n1> ive been going to music festivals all my life
[19:34:17] <n1> i was 4 months old at my first glastonbury, my dad was site crew
[19:34:57] <LaminatorX> I bet you slept like a champ.
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[19:35:28] <n1> i got used to sleeping anywhere, ive always travelled and stuff, although in the last couple years it's not as easy
[19:36:05] <n1> i did volunteer at festivals the last couple years, which worked to a degree... but this year it's much better
[19:36:29] <n1> im going to be there for the festival, getting paid, but i'll not be working, except emergencies/support when the festival is actually going on
[19:36:50] <LaminatorX> Sounds about perfect.
[19:37:00] <n1> get my work done before and after the ticket holders are on site, get my AAA pass :p
[19:37:49] <n1> shame music wont pay the bills
[19:38:19] <LaminatorX> Truer words have never been spoken.
[19:38:30] <n1> heh
[19:38:51] <n1> ive come to the conclusion the only thing that seems to work is diversity
[19:39:01] <xlefay> ps LaminatorX: mrcoolbp should probably also be in the !editors group? Writing these docs is still on the road map.
[19:39:59] <LaminatorX> Ah, I thought he already was.
[19:40:02] <n1> wth is it with all the stories and submissions being health related
[19:40:33] <xlefay> To quickly outline the benefit: we'll keep an up to date list of groups on IRC & everyone in the group gets access in this channel (autovoice and the ability to op, change topic, etc.. administrate it whenever needed); you can get a list of all the current members by /gs flags !editors
[19:41:11] <n1> will nickserv let me link names?
[19:41:49] <xlefay> (plus, they get access to the fancy editors cloak, n1 & gungnirsniper might want to take it: /hs take Soylent/Staff/Editor/$account // cc: n1)
[19:41:57] <xlefay> Yes, you can /nick another nick and /ns group it
[19:42:21] <n1> sweet, i though it would work... it's been a long time since i've used irc so much
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[19:43:55] <xlefay> Also, if they do take the cloak they can join the ultra secret special staff chill channel, after someone PM's them it, of course ;)
[19:44:33] <n1> lol
[19:44:37] <n1> gimmie :p
[19:44:41] <LaminatorX> Dammit, rule 1, Loggie is in the room.
[19:45:43] <xlefay> LaminatorX, I didn't say it's name :P
[19:47:05] <LaminatorX> Business is to be conducted in #staff. Venting and bacon fetishism may take place elsewhere.
[19:47:24] <xlefay> bacon in ##, venting and such "the other channel"
[19:47:31] <LaminatorX> Right.
[19:48:54] <n1> very little other than bacon in ##
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[19:55:53] <n1> wb janrinok
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[20:01:02] <LaminatorX> I'll need to keep my nose in paying work more for the next few hours, but I'll pop in and out here.
[20:02:58] <n1> im working on the most recent submission as a break from the health related stories
[20:03:26] <janrinok> n1 I've just be back-reading - so you're good to go. Welcome again to the madhouse.
[20:04:13] <n1> heh thanks :D
[20:04:28] <janrinok> Let me know when you have a few moments and I'll drop a few more minor bits to you
[20:17:54] <n1> janrinok, can you look at the story i just put into the queue, it's not set to display yet
[20:18:18] <janrinok> will do
[20:18:48] <janrinok> its not about health - are you sure :)
[20:18:55] <n1> heh
[20:19:24] <n1> originally the abstract was as one paragraph, but that was a nasty wall of text so i split it into two. want to see that it reads ok
[20:19:33] <n1> and also, the abstract originally had a link in the submission
[20:19:45] <n1> but the link was to the submitter, or someone elses C drive
[20:19:57] <janrinok> lol - well spotted
[20:20:00] <n1> but the other two links seem to cover it
[20:20:50] <janrinok> I assume that you mean microns for the lens size and not 100 metres?!
[20:21:16] <n1> i think so lol
[20:21:45] <n1> i didnt actually change any of the wording, just sorted the formatting
[20:22:39] <janrinok> no it is 1mm in diameter
[20:23:11] <n1> i was just trying to find it
[20:23:16] <n1> where did you see that
[20:23:21] <janrinok> no - I'm still trying to track it down....
[20:23:45] <n1> (∼100 µm)
[20:24:01] <janrinok> on the keynote+sensor page...
[20:24:27] <n1> i just put the sentence into google and it found it in the pdf.. cheating i know
[20:24:36] <janrinok> no - good thinking
[20:25:10] <n1> i'll fix it
[20:25:29] <janrinok> OK - I'll continue looking.
[20:26:41] <n1> updated
[20:26:54] <janrinok> Once you've corrected that, tick display and let your story run....
[20:27:14] <n1> happy with where i split the paragraph
[20:27:15] <n1> ?
[20:27:34] <janrinok> yep, it reads well
[20:28:06] <janrinok> like the Dept too!
[20:28:50] <n1> lol thanks
[20:29:08] <n1> some are easier than others
[20:29:09] <janrinok> ok, have you got a few moments?
[20:29:11] <n1> yeah
[20:29:34] <janrinok> Other miscellaneous things to know:
[20:30:22] <janrinok> When we have more that 25 or so stories in the list, we release them as we process them. That normally makes for about 3-4 pre hour if editing alone.
[20:31:07] <janrinok> Less than 25ish but more than 10, we start releasing them at approx 60-90 minutes intervals, to keep the output active.
[20:31:52] <janrinok> At about 15 stories, there should be an auto software alert that asks for more submissions. paulej72 is working on that but it might not be implemented yet.
[20:32:13] <LaminatorX> It's in dev, but not production.
[20:32:52] <janrinok> when we get down to 10 stories our role changes a little. Let other eds know if you can, and then share the workload between releasing what we have and looking for new stories ourselves.
[20:33:22] <janrinok> I make it a rule (not enforced as far as I know) not to release my own stories. It has the potential for abuse.
[20:33:36] <n1> i think thats logical
[20:33:40] <janrinok> LaminatorX: thanks for the update.
[20:34:03] <n1> i was going to suggest maybe i look for some stories now, as the list isnt looking all that healthy?...
[20:34:22] <janrinok> LaminatorX and I found ourselves in that position once or twice during the last couple of weeks. Finding stories, editing and trying to have a life got a bit difficult at times!
[20:35:24] <janrinok> You can always make a plea on the #soylent channel for submissions. It will probably get a handful. However, the weekend is always sparse - well, on current experience it has proven to be that way.
[20:36:06] <janrinok> next item
[20:37:17] <janrinok> there are staff and editor wide mailing lists available. To be honest I've not used them yet to originate a topic, only to respond to others so I'm not entirely sure how I do that using my own email client.
[20:38:48] <n1> not sure i'd use it
[20:38:48] <janrinok> However, that is a lot of noise but some very useful nuggets to be found so check your emails at least daily. It is the easiest way for some (esp NCommander) to let everyone know what is going on. Prepare for some very big emails to wade through.
[20:39:12] <janrinok> next topic.
[20:39:36] <n1> am i on the mailing list by default?
[20:39:49] <janrinok> Yes you should be
[20:39:53] <n1> ok
[20:40:08] <n1> im never far away from my emails, damn smartphones.
[20:40:23] <janrinok> They have your email address, so if you haven't checked recently fire it up and see if you have anything.
[20:40:32] <janrinok> I got 6 emails today.
[20:41:06] <janrinok> shall I go on, or do you want to check that now?
[20:41:06] <n1> i havnt had any
[20:41:09] <janrinok> lol
[20:41:20] <n1> ive been on my emails all day for other work
[20:41:21] <n1> so i would have seen
[20:41:32] <n1> i just checked spam and nothing there
[20:41:42] <janrinok> worth checking that your name has gone on the list - it should have but you never know.
[20:42:06] <janrinok> xlefay is your man for that I think
[20:42:55] <janrinok> ok let me know when to move to the next topic
[20:43:26] <n1> whenever you're ready
[20:44:28] <janrinok> OK, as you have just found with your latest story, sometimes what the submitter writes looks good but the error is in the detail. He probably wrote microns but the slash code striped out the unicode.
[20:45:18] <n1> weirdly, the unicode was there, half of it seemed to still work, and the other half didnt display anything
[20:45:35] <janrinok> Another favourite (which got me!) is when an article quotes some figures and produces some stats, but if you check the maths it is all crap. Never trust any story to be good until you have checked it yourself.
[20:45:58] <n1> i think i remember that story
[20:45:58] <n1> heh
[20:46:32] <janrinok> And the end of the day, the editor will get the blame. People will demand that you are 'fired'. (as if we are employed..!)
[20:46:57] <LaminatorX> Complaints are easy. Improvements are hard.
[20:47:07] <janrinok> It can take a long time to check all the facts on a scientific study.
[20:47:18] <janrinok> final topic.
[20:47:48] <n1> LaminatorX, im basing on that i'm doing a good job when no ones complaining and im being ignored :p
[20:48:12] <janrinok> There is no such thing as a stupid question. The only stupidity is not asking it. We have _all_ made mistakes. There is no written manual on how to do this - although I'm starting to put one together in my head.
[20:49:23] <janrinok> Enjoy it - but you will spend time on here complaining about it. Don't worry, we'll all listen. Been there, done that, got the T shirt etc
[20:49:32] <n1> heheh yeah
[20:50:26] * janrinok waves goodbye to new ed has he wanders off into the big wide world...
[20:50:54] <n1> its scrary out there you know
[20:50:58] <n1> -r
[20:51:01] <janrinok> tell me about it
[20:52:07] <n1> are you actually leaving?
[20:52:16] <janrinok> no, only just got here :)
[20:52:32] <n1> as i said before, i think i should look for some stories and make some submissions
[20:52:47] <n1> even out the health focus we're on today
[20:52:53] <LaminatorX> That would be great. We can always use some more good ones heading into the weekend.
[20:52:57] <janrinok> go for it - I'm going to get my Friday evening drink!
[20:53:33] <LaminatorX> I;ll probably go through and clear out some of the dregs tomorrow. Once a week seems to be about the right pace for that.
[20:53:39] <n1> i'll be around tomorrow for a while, but this time tomorrow i wont be around
[20:53:55] <n1> and if i do make it back, i wont be in a fit state to comprehend things to edit, if you know what i mean.
[20:54:23] <janrinok> LaminatorX: I cleared a few today, and emailed one submitter telling him why I wasn't using his story, but asking him to submit more.
[20:55:17] <LaminatorX> Nice. There are so many things that become possible when it's not just the two of us doing all the stories.
[20:55:22] <janrinok> We also got that 3D home design story back - word for word the same. It might be auto-generated.
[20:55:53] <LaminatorX> I'm actually kind of touched that somebody feels like we're worth astroturfing.
[20:55:58] <janrinok> It was from an AC so I just killed it.
[20:56:14] <janrinok> lol I hadn't thought of it as a badge of achievement
[20:56:21] <n1> lol
[20:56:48] <n1> "Facebook will use drones and lasers to deliver internet access to the developing world"
[20:56:59] <n1> has that topic been accepted/rejected/duped already?
[20:57:19] <janrinok> I think that we have had that - best check the back stories. Sorry to put a damper on it.
[20:57:30] <n1> thats why i asked ;)
[20:57:35] <n1> i'll check
[20:57:47] <n1> i figured by the time a uk newspaper picked it up, it would be old
[20:59:16] <n1> i had a quick search and nothings standing out yet
[20:59:23] <LaminatorX> There is a section in the editing tool that shows possably similar stories.
[20:59:52] <janrinok> I've certainly read it in the last few weeks but it all blurs into mush after a while...
[20:59:55] <n1> i went onto stories and used the search box and typed "facebook drone"
[20:59:57] <n1> and nothing came up
[21:00:04] <n1> nothing relevant anyway
[21:00:20] <n1> it's not a submission yet, because i havnt made it :p
[21:01:14] <janrinok> cut and paste the article into a submission, and let the computer do the statistical correlation with similar stories.
[21:02:39] <n1> i think it's new, as the article references a zuckerberg blog post from 23hrs ago
[21:03:23] <janrinok> Well, the community will always tell you if it's a dupe - its just not the way you would like to be told.
[21:08:11] <n1> ive submitted it, but i didnt actually write the summary yet, just the copy paste from article
[21:08:34] <janrinok> yep - I've used that technique a few times.
[21:09:02] <n1> similar stories, it seems to be clear
[21:09:38] <janrinok> the zuckerburg bit might be new though, if it has enought to warrant a story in its own right
[21:09:46] <janrinok> enough*
[21:11:02] <n1> its got some detail, i think it deserves to go up
[21:11:09] <janrinok> go gor it
[21:11:13] <n1> but i'll let you actually post it ;)
[21:11:18] <janrinok> for*
[21:11:26] <janrinok> thanks :)
[21:11:28] <n1> i'll do the editing and move it to the queue for non-display
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[21:31:40] <n1> if someone wants to check and approve it, i think it's ready
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[21:39:24] <janrinok> ..just picking my pringles crumbs from my keyboard...
[21:39:39] <n1> lol
[21:39:40] <n1> nice
[21:40:17] <n1> i nearly bought some pringles when i was at the shop, had a deal on them £1.25!
[21:41:54] <janrinok> I'm still not sure that this is a story from yesterday. The story was 'shared' yesterday but I cannot see when he actually said what is being reported. Mind you, knowing nothing about FB means I haven't really got a clue what they mean by 'shared'.
[21:42:13] <n1> wow, there's actually a story about bacon.. not sure how i can make it into a relevant submission though
[21:42:22] <janrinok> rofl
[21:42:28] <n1> http://www.zerohedge.com
[21:42:45] <janrinok> kobach will read it, hell, he'll probably do a screen grab and frame it!
[21:43:08] <n1> NYT and BBC picked up the FB story in the last few hours
[21:43:28] <n1> reuters got it yesterday
[21:43:47] <janrinok> n1, your story, I'm happy to release it. OK with the NTY/BBC. Do you want to add their input to your existing story?
[21:44:03] <n1> i dont think so
[21:44:07] <n1> they're all going off his blog post
[21:44:15] <janrinok> OK, Ill tick it and away it goes.
[21:44:35] <n1> wedging Oculus VR acquisition in there to make it a bigger story
[21:44:50] <n1> but there's no more detail i can see on the topic at hand
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[21:45:46] <janrinok> OK done - but if you read anything new you can always edit the story before it gets released at 22:32.
[21:46:11] <n1> are you going to change it so i'm not the submitter and editor?
[21:46:47] <janrinok> no - I've check it so it's not as if you did it all without someone else being involved.
[21:47:21] <n1> ok
[21:47:51] <janrinok> My worry would be someone who played the system to advertise their own product, or to shill for someone else. In this instance, unless you are actually a FB employee I think that we are safe. :)
[21:48:20] <n1> lol
[21:48:37] <n1> i dont have a facebook account, so if i was, i'd be more likely to be the janitor :p
[21:48:51] <janrinok> rofl
[21:49:16] <janrinok> I'd not be sufficiently qualified for such a role
[21:49:26] <n1> after cleaning up all those submissions
[21:49:29] <n1> i think you would be
[21:49:40] <janrinok> thx but no thx
[21:51:15] <n1> are you going to edit your sub, do you want me to find another one to make?
[21:52:02] <n1> i put a note on the '40 year old movie spoiler' submission, as it's not actually a submission.
[21:52:11] <janrinok> No i'm just in collection mode at the moment.
[21:52:36] <janrinok> Is the 40 y o spoiler a story or not - I haven't looked at it yet
[21:52:50] <n1> it's not
[21:52:54] <n1> it's community feedback
[21:53:06] <janrinok> If you wouldn't write it up - delete it.
[21:53:11] <n1> ok
[21:54:05] <janrinok> At the start of the weekend we need to know exactly how many subs we have. There is usually a drop of in submissions, but an increase in reader intolerance.
[21:54:52] <n1> deleted but pasted content over to staff, as was the intention of the submission.
[21:55:16] <janrinok> OK - I'm not sure I follow having not read it but is sounds good
[21:55:24] <janrinok> it*
[21:55:52] <n1> it was a comment on the sites colour/theme and that it's not obvious how to send a message to another user
[21:55:53] <janrinok> I'm going to emulate LaminatorX more often and stop correcting my mistakes if they are still readable.
[21:56:22] <janrinok> I don't think you can send a message to another user - that was something we asked for early on.
[21:56:47] <n1> i have no idea, not something ive looked at
[21:57:26] <janrinok> we want that facility so that we can tell people why their submission has been rejected so that they get the feedback that they both want and deserve.
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[21:59:06] <janrinok> We discarded the green colour because we looked too much like the other site, and the message facility is a long-standing requirement (well 6 weeks or so). I'm wondering who JoeMerchant really is...
[22:05:56] <n1> the name come up before
[22:06:04] <n1> ?
[22:07:14] <janrinok> I've not heard of it, but it might be someone who left the team and is quietly stirring things up. No matter, it will either be ignored or create something that we can sit back and enjoy watching.
[22:14:28] paulej72_away is now known as paulej72
[22:16:26] <LaminatorX> If you found a legit science bacon story, you should run with it. :)
[22:21:26] <n1> its more business than science, otherwise i would have
[22:21:39] <n1> the price of bacon is up 51% this quarter!
[22:22:22] <xlefay> LaminatorX, you had me at bacon
[22:23:05] <LaminatorX> Ah well. We'll have to wait for the glorious day when a new carbon-nanotube based curing process that is fuelled by bitcoins is announced.
[22:23:15] <xlefay> !grab LaminatorX
[22:23:15] <PoeticWarlord> Added quote 0
[22:23:57] <n1> rofl
[22:24:21] <n1> missed out on 3D printer in that..
[22:24:49] <LaminatorX> And Facebook buying it.
[22:25:17] <n1> facebook having control over the bacon supply chain is a scary thought
[22:26:11] <LaminatorX> Well, they'd give it away but you'd have to tell them everything you eat.
[22:26:17] <paulej72> LaminatorX: any progress on the FAQ, not pressuring or anything, I just needed something to code on tonight.
[22:26:38] <xlefay> I'm fairly sure ## would be leading the resistance, most notably, kobach.
[22:27:08] <paulej72> Here is a question for all of the editors. I was looking into fixing slashes story submission, but ran into a big issue.
[22:27:56] <paulej72> I can make it use paragraph tags, but there is a bu that removes the p tags on the first paragraph.
[22:28:26] <LaminatorX> I'm sorry for the delays, paulej72. I should be able to finish it up tomorrow afternoon. I've gotten a lot less done at the office this week than I wanted to. My team mate is home with a new baby.
[22:29:06] <LaminatorX> So what would that give us, tag wise?
[22:29:13] <paulej72> This would not be an issue if this this code was only used for story submissions, but it is also used for journals
[22:29:28] <paulej72> LaminatorX: no problems with the faq
[22:30:37] <paulej72> For the stories, I can wrap the submitte with a p tag with a class set to it, and I can wrap the whole story easily with a div or p tags and not use the quotes or i tags
[22:31:03] <paulej72> the story would still contain the double br tags
[22:31:22] <LaminatorX> Those are less of a hassle than the quotes and is
[22:31:54] <paulej72> I can not easily fix it so it will give us proper p tags arround all of the paragraphs.
[22:32:38] <paulej72> There is some regex voodoo that is messing things up and I am not a good enough regex wizzard to fix it.
[22:32:56] <LaminatorX> Progress is welcome, even if not perfection.
[22:33:23] <LaminatorX> I can live with the br's, we deal with them now anyway.
[22:35:11] <paulej72> the real issue is that similar code works fine for comments, but breaks for stories. I was tracing code for days until my eyes bled and I still could not single out the problematic code.
[22:35:31] <LaminatorX> Is the regex what's slaughtering the unicode? There's definitely some kind of borked parsing going on.
[22:36:49] <janrinok> paulej72: can you put something on dev, and we can play with it or is that increasing your workload too much?
[22:36:52] <paulej72> Yes there is code to encde the hig bits so that things can be stored into the db properly. As I understand it the db is not able to store utf nativly
[22:37:22] <janrinok> slashcode FTW!
[22:37:28] <LaminatorX> That makes a lot of sense, actually.
[22:37:51] <paulej72> janrinok: That was my plan. I can have the new template up in about 10 minutes
[22:38:14] <janrinok> worth a look if you are not too stretched.
[22:38:38] <LaminatorX> What you described sounds great to me.
[22:39:00] <LaminatorX> It would be an immediate time-saver, even if we still have to do some hand editing.
[22:40:12] <LaminatorX> Alright, I'm heading home, but I'll pop in later. I'll be available on and off throughout the weekend. Great work today.
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[22:40:29] <janrinok> LaminatorX: have a good one.
[22:40:41] <janrinok> Damn 2 seconds too late
[22:41:54] <n1> made another sub, there's only one more story left in the queue
[22:42:34] <janrinok> OK if you release a few more I'll carry on collecting. I've got 3 lined up on my 'puter
[22:42:49] <n1> are yours ready to go?
[22:42:53] <n1> the ones in the sub list
[22:43:23] <janrinok> They are raw subs, but shouldn't need much editing to make them ready - undoing the slash crap basically.
[22:43:30] <n1> yeah, i see it
[22:43:34] <n1> i'll do them now
[22:43:37] <janrinok> k
[22:43:40] <n1> and then i'll finally get my pizza in the oven :p
[22:44:00] <janrinok> Do that first, the current story has to go and then we have about an hour.
[22:44:32] <n1> i'll do one now
[22:44:33] <paulej72> OK dev has been updated. Please let me know if you do not have editor privs on dev as the dbs are different and not in sync.
[22:45:02] <janrinok> I don't suppose that I do, having only every looked at it and not prodded it paulej72
[22:45:56] <paulej72> janrinok: you should as I believe that you did prior to the db clone
[22:46:41] <janrinok> OK, I've just never tried to use it. I assume that we just log on as normal but using dev.soylentnews.org?
[22:46:50] <paulej72> yes
[22:47:10] <janrinok> k, I'll give it a try in 2-3 minutes. Just finishing a submission
[22:55:35] <paulej72> n1: can you try to submit and edit a story on dev. Just make sure to keep Ncommander’s story on top
[23:02:22] <janrinok> paulej72: I get an error when I try to preview during the editing process - internal error or misconfiguration error. But the submission is _much_ easier to edit so your changes get a thumbs up from me.
[23:03:00] <paulej72> janrinok: I am trying to figure that error out. I am redeploying slash to see if that fixes it
[23:03:47] <janrinok> ok - let me know when you want me to try again
[23:05:48] <n1> yeah, i got the same error
[23:05:59] <n1> but otherwise, looking great so far
[23:07:03] <n1> nice, someone submitted the same story as me 6 minutes after i did
[23:07:39] <janrinok> reject it with a snotty email saying why they need to speed up - and then wait for the cries of anguish on the thread...
[23:08:05] <n1> lol
[23:08:47] <janrinok> Alternatively, just be grateful that someone else is submitting something. Merge them together and mention both submitters' names. You both go to bed happy.
[23:09:06] <n1> i'll use their sub, and just add the extra bit i put in mine
[23:09:18] <n1> as someone else made the submission there's no point in saying i did too lol
[23:09:19] <janrinok> sounds like a plan
[23:10:08] -!- mrcoolbp [mrcoolbp!~mrcoolbp@Soylent/Staff/mrcoolbp] has joined #editorial
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[23:10:20] <janrinok> I would be careful while using both normal and dev at the sametime. It increases the chance of a cock-up.
[23:10:36] <n1> im not using dev now, just left it sat at the error page
[23:10:36] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: greetings, how's things?
[23:10:52] <janrinok> Yes but you are still logged in to it.
[23:10:56] <n1> true
[23:10:56] <mrcoolbp> good, I only have a few minutes inbetween work and band practice
[23:11:03] <mrcoolbp> how are you guys? What's up?
[23:11:20] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: I'm surprised that you are wasting your free time with us! lol
[23:11:28] <mrcoolbp> never wasting
[23:11:42] <mrcoolbp> hey janrinok: did you see the transatlantic ping story?
[23:11:57] <janrinok> Things are looking up. more editors. playing on dev with a new submission template which will be a great improvement.
[23:12:02] <mrcoolbp> someone said it was a dupe, I searched briefly and couldn't find another (on our site anyway)
[23:12:29] <n1> i remember looking at it
[23:12:32] <n1> i think it's quite old
[23:12:40] <n1> so it might be from the old site
[23:12:54] <janrinok> Yes, saw your story - I'm not sure if I've read it before somewhere else or in a previous submission here. But, WTH, we all do it from time to time!
[23:13:13] <mrcoolbp> oh well.
[23:13:29] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: I'm getting an error when clicking the "preview" on dev.
[23:13:49] <janrinok> The community will guide you - perhaps a touch brutally but nonetheless it will be feedback
[23:14:05] <mrcoolbp> It can be discouraging right?
[23:14:10] <janrinok> Yes, there is a prob at the moment on dev paulej72 is working on it. We've broken it!
[23:14:17] * n1 cough
[23:14:19] <n1> you broke it!
[23:14:19] <n1> :p
[23:14:35] <janrinok> No I think it was your mouse click last...
[23:14:38] <paulej72> our security measures are set too tight
[23:14:44] <paulej72> broke the site
[23:14:52] <janrinok> That's what she said...
[23:14:53] <mrcoolbp> paulej72 broke it = )
[23:15:03] <janrinok> Yeah, blame paulej72
[23:15:10] <paulej72> Ncommander and xlefay did it
[23:15:25] <mrcoolbp> oh that I believe
[23:15:26] <n1> lol
[23:15:27] <janrinok> Like it, NCommander and xlefay did it!
[23:15:28] <xlefay> Actually, that was all NC, but I'll be happy to share the credit :P
[23:15:38] <janrinok> rofl
[23:15:59] <mrcoolbp> hey everyone, please add your email to the staff vote list: http://staff.soylentnews.org
[23:16:00] <xlefay> paulej72, in all fairness, that's why we've got it up on dev :P
[23:16:15] <xlefay> so we can first, figure out what should be allowed and what shouldn't ;-)
[23:16:51] <janrinok> Ah you always spoil things by bringing common-sense and logic into everything....
[23:17:01] <mrcoolbp> xlefay is good at that
[23:17:04] <n1> mrcoolbp, it asks me for a username and pwd
[23:17:14] <mrcoolbp> staff; pass
[23:17:17] <mrcoolbp> no wait
[23:17:21] <janrinok> lol
[23:17:23] <mrcoolbp> soylent; staff
[23:17:24] <mrcoolbp> heh
[23:17:49] <xlefay> mrcoolbp, releasing the username and password in a public & logged channel does defeat the purpose of it being passworded, doesn't it?
[23:18:03] <mrcoolbp> it's not for that, just for bots and spammers
[23:18:16] <xlefay> Ah I see
[23:19:23] <janrinok> there he goes with his logic again
[23:20:12] <xlefay> I'm sorry, I'll *try to* refrain from using logic.
[23:20:33] <janrinok> not too much I hope, it is actually important for your job, and all that....
[23:20:33] <mrcoolbp> n1, did you add yourself?
[23:20:48] <janrinok> I think he is editing
[23:20:58] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: we appreciate that, it's really slowing us down = )
[23:21:17] <janrinok> lol
[23:23:32] <n1> yeah i did
[23:23:37] <mrcoolbp> thanks
[23:23:37] <n1> im after janrinok
[23:23:40] <mrcoolbp> k
[23:24:02] <n1> i would say i was editing, but that was a lie... i was getting my pizza out the oven :p
[23:24:18] <janrinok> shhh, 'editing' is what we call it.
[23:24:25] <n1> hah
[23:24:38] <xlefay> Editing the oven's content, are we? :)
[23:24:39] <janrinok> It makes you sound more important.
[23:24:40] <n1> editing into a more digestable format
[23:25:10] <xlefay> Well, at the moment, you're probably editing the size of the pizza. Enjoy!
[23:25:38] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: you off to band practice yet?
[23:25:47] <mrcoolbp> in about 20 minutes
[23:25:54] <janrinok> What do you play
[23:25:56] <janrinok> ?
[23:26:00] <mrcoolbp> xlefay: you haven't signed up for the list yet...
[23:26:05] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: electric guitar
[23:26:17] <mrcoolbp> (lot's of pink floyd)
[23:26:32] <n1> cover band?
[23:26:32] <xlefay> mrcoolbp, that's correct, I'll review the mails and stuff after I return from sleep()
[23:26:35] <janrinok> good, I'm acoustic guitar and banjo - def not pink floyd though
[23:27:03] <mrcoolbp> n1: we have orginals and do a lot of covers too. Our originals are modern progressive rock
[23:27:46] <n1> i'd love to hear some of your originals some time
[23:28:01] <paulej72> dev is fixed. I added the appropriate code to apparmor to fix the edit issue
[23:28:15] <n1> i'm all about progressive and post rock.... as well as hip-hop.. :p
[23:28:17] <xlefay> Including /usr/bin/ispell ?
[23:28:27] <mrcoolbp> n1: www.washbrain.com
[23:28:45] * mrcoolbp attempts to finish his emails before jetting off to rock
[23:29:31] <n1> thanks for sharing :)
[23:29:40] <janrinok> paulej72: it works fine for me - I like it!
[23:38:25] <paulej72> janrinok: did you notice the class on the byline
[23:38:54] <janrinok> er, no
[23:39:11] <janrinok> what am I looking for?
[23:39:28] <mrcoolbp> paulej72 if you have a second can you sign up for the voting list: http://staff.soylentnews.org
[23:41:15] <mrcoolbp> editors: By the way, if you want to test post a story to DEV, just bump NCommander's post to the top please (at least until he can get another theme up so it's obvious that it's the DEV server
[23:41:18] <janrinok> OK I can see it on yours.
[23:42:51] * mrcoolbp is not seeing the "class on the byline" (also has no idea what that is)
[23:43:09] <mrcoolbp> oh wait
[23:43:23] * mrcoolbp now sees it but still doesn't know what it is
[23:43:25] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: If you look at paulej72 test message, it is easy to see. Not sure what it does though
[23:43:54] <mrcoolbp> hrm
[23:44:15] <paulej72> <p class=“byliine”> to allow for future styling
[23:44:51] <janrinok> OK, I can follow that. Should it be automatic or do we put it in manually?
[23:46:09] <janrinok> I'm going to have to go soon, its almost midnight.
[23:46:20] <paulej72> automatic. Look at one of the new stories on dev
[23:46:35] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: nive
[23:46:38] <mrcoolbp> nice*
[23:46:58] <janrinok> I edited my own submission but it didn't have the byline in it....
[23:47:30] <janrinok> Perhaps I'll have to try submitting something else.
[23:48:02] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: what about all those un-labeled txt boxes?
[23:48:32] <paulej72> what unlabled text boxes?
[23:48:53] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: "under pending submission by..."
[23:49:09] <mrcoolbp> (on the edit submission page)
[23:50:30] <paulej72> can you give me a URL as I am not sure what you talking about
[23:52:15] <mrcoolbp> it's on ANY edit story page
[23:52:17] <janrinok> The byline exists on the original submission but, as soon as I start editing it as an 'editor' it disappears again. paulej72 is that meant to happen, or am I being a bit dim?
[23:52:32] <mrcoolbp> *ther're* on every edit story page
[23:53:36] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: paulej72: when I click preview the "byline" tag also dissapears for me
[23:54:29] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: perhaps we're both being a bit dim?
[23:55:18] <mrcoolbp> paulej72: There are 3 total "unlabeled text boxes", they appear directly below the text "Pending submission by [user]" and directly above the "title" text box
[23:55:31] <mrcoolbp> the've been there from the start I believe
[23:56:00] <mrcoolbp> in fact I may have seen some info in some of the slash docs about them, but I don't think so...
[23:58:00] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: I can see 1 unlabeled text box below the pending submission line, and 2 more below the Submissions Memory line on the same page. I don't know what they do....
[23:58:09] <paulej72> the inputs are named comment_###, submatch, and subnote
[23:58:41] <paulej72> First is self explanitory. the other two, not sure.
[23:58:47] <mrcoolbp> hmm
[23:59:01] * mrcoolbp tries something
[23:59:15] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: They exist on the in use (ie. not dev) system also. The first is the comments from the submission list which, if there aren't any, is just left blank