#editorial | Logs for 2014-03-26

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[21:19:39] <janrinok> LaminatorX: I going to stop for a while and 'phone my other half. I'll probably be back on later, but I won't promise. If I fail to reappear, I'll see you tomorrow.
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[21:02:31] <janrinok> I knew it wouldn't be simple. My little brain would have put it all in one place, but that's probably why I'm an editor and not a systems guy
[21:01:31] <paulej72> janrinok: there is code in the data module that strips the formatting and white space. I have to fix that as well, but I could not find the part that adds the <i> and “s
[21:00:18] <janrinok> paulej72: What's the betting that there is something in there that means you end up having to modify several files....?
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[20:59:41] <janrinok> cu
[20:59:36] <stderr> See you...
[20:59:32] <stderr> Anyway... I'm out again...
[20:58:59] <stderr> Works for me too now.
[20:58:45] <paulej72> Yea I found the template that sets up the story formating at least partially.
[20:57:51] <janrinok> stderr: thx for that - I never was sure why Varnish was only used for non-logged-in readers. It makes sense, even to me :)
[20:56:51] <janrinok> Its appeared now, at least for me. I don't suppose Varnish has been changed so it was just a very thin tube....
[20:56:39] <stderr> Users who ain't logged in can use the caching since they're all seen as the same user from Varnish's point of view.
[20:55:58] <stderr> I don't know if they changed anything after I left, so maybe Varnish is caching more now. It probably wouldn't make much sense, since how often do the same logged-in user load the same story where there isn't any new comments?
[20:50:23] <janrinok> stderr: ok that's more your area of expertise than mine. :) As LamX said, it's there on the preview/edit view. It'll fall out the end at some point.
[20:49:11] <janrinok> yep - I'm not sweating on it
[20:48:00] <LaminatorX> It's there in the preview/edit view.
[20:48:00] <stderr> I'm logged in. As far as I know, Varnish doesn't cache pages for people who are logged in.
[20:47:01] <janrinok> still waiting for the update to make its way through varnish I think...
[20:45:30] <janrinok> stderr - thx, but ssshh I'm not sure anyone in the community noticed...
[20:43:17] <janrinok> OK
[20:43:05] <stderr> Any editors around? http://soylentnews.org still doesn't have a department.
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[20:42:26] <paulej72> thanks
[20:39:02] <janrinok> well good luck to your Mom too
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[20:38:44] <paulej72> I hope everything turns out OK with you wife. My mom will be in soon to get a small procedure done which I hope will be unevnetfull.
[20:38:14] <janrinok> Why am I not surprised that it will not be straight-forward? ;)
[20:37:47] <paulej72> I was lloking into the submission code last night to see where it does its magic on formatting the story. Unfortunately I was not able to find where it puts eveything in a quotes and <i> tags
[20:37:03] <janrinok> Personally OK, but my wife is in hospital overnight - nothing serious, just running some tests.
[20:36:24] <paulej72> not bad. how about you
[20:36:01] <janrinok> paulej72: by the way - how's things with you?
[20:35:33] <janrinok> ok thx - it was just something I wanted to try but np
[20:35:14] <paulej72> janrinok: no code has been updated on production yet.
[20:33:07] <janrinok> I'm trying to get the list down to 15 items to see if the new warning software kicks in. I'm not even sure if paulej72 has had time to do anything yet.
[20:32:09] <LaminatorX> It was quite refreshing, yes.
[20:31:55] <janrinok> Good idea. I actually enjoyed having other enthusiastic people on topic yesterday.
[20:31:23] <LaminatorX> We should probably look at another editor team meeting sometime in the next week as well, what with all the new folk.
[20:31:16] <janrinok> OK - ignore the same question on the #staff channel. We are playing flip/flop
[20:30:48] <LaminatorX> And friday.
[20:30:35] <LaminatorX> It didn't we're aiming for tomorrow.
[20:29:38] <janrinok> LaminatorX: How did the training go today?
[20:26:30] <LaminatorX> Here I am, janrinok.
[20:14:15] <janrinok> LaminatorX: you around?
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[17:03:57] <xyzzyyzzyx> janrinok: no worries, hope all is well with her long-term
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[16:59:38] <LaminatorX> though though though...
[16:59:25] <LaminatorX> What's frustrating is that if you can actually get the appropriate unicode &####; into the page, it works just fine. There's some intermediate perl-washing though that goes nuts over pasted in characters though.
[16:57:32] <janrinok> lol
[16:57:26] <LaminatorX> I think I hit the unicode with a stick until it capitulated.
[16:56:37] <LaminatorX> No worries man, priorities. Thanks for the heads-up though.
[16:53:38] <janrinok> LaminatorX: My efforts as editor today might be a little sporadic!
[16:52:40] <janrinok> It was precautionary - although she was in considerable pain - and it should be treatable at home with the appropriate care and medication. It's why I took early retirement so not entirely unexpected.
[16:51:43] <LaminatorX> Yikes! How is she doing?
[16:51:19] <janrinok> xyzzyyzzyx: My wife was taken into hospital yesterday evening (she should be home later today) so I never got to do it as I said I intended to do.
[16:50:31] <janrinok> a bit later than either of us would have hoped xyzzyyzzyx
[16:50:12] <xyzzyyzzyx> janrinok: huzzah! thank you sir
[16:49:52] <janrinok> xyzzyyzzyx: your story re Lexmark is due out at 16:41 UTC
[16:49:50] <LaminatorX> Hmm, it looks good in preview, but then it's borked again after I update. That might just be cached though.
[16:49:47] <xyzzyyzzyx> and yes, accounting systems still use Crystal -_-
[16:49:19] <xyzzyyzzyx> janrinok: busy busy - happy 2hr deadline on some Crystal formulas <spew>
[16:47:28] <janrinok> thx
[16:47:24] <LaminatorX> I'll take a look.
[16:46:25] <janrinok> LaminatorX: Your story due out at 1558 - the Dept has suffered from Unicode-itis. Can you pse correct it or let me know what it should be and I will do it?
[16:21:40] <janrinok> ?
[16:21:31] <janrinok> xyzzyyzzyx: hi hows things
[16:20:33] * xyzzyyzzyx waves
[16:19:34] <janrinok> hi guys
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[16:17:00] <xyzzyyzzyx> greetings
[16:08:53] <LaminatorX> Hello.
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[15:54:57] <stderr> I'm out of here too... See you.
[15:51:24] <bytram_afk> gotta take care of a couple things... back in 10-15 minutes
[15:51:21] <stderr> No problem.
[15:51:04] <bytram_afk> stderr, wow... I must have set that to iso-8859-1 YEARS ago! fixed. THANKS!
[15:50:00] <bytram_afk> SkyNet, utf-8 makes sense.
[15:49:54] <bytram_afk> stderr, I had to *type* that msg as firefox was not-responding (couldn't cut and paste)...
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[15:13:16] <stderr> I'm not sure, but I think the charset should be utf-8. At least if you want all the fancy letters to work...
[15:12:06] <stderr> And Content-Type: text/html, not .html
[15:11:52] <stderr> I think the real problem might be something else... It should be "Transfer-Encoding: chunked", not "chumked". :-)
[15:01:06] <bytram> xyzzyyzzyx, yup. could be a bad interaction with all my addons/plugins, too.
[14:59:28] <xyzzyyzzyx> o u c h
[14:43:54] <bytram> Pop goes the [fire] weasel!
[14:42:29] <bytram> have to restart firefox... blegh!
[14:39:58] <bytram> "Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2014 13:35:11 GMT Server: Apache/1.3.2 (Unix)mod_perl/1.31 Connection: close Transfer-Encoding: chumked Content-Type: text/.html; charset=iso-8859-1"
[14:38:01] <bytram> strange... "The server encountered an internal error or misconfigutation and was unable to complete your request."... hit back in FireFox... and now it's "unresponsive" and pegged my CPU @ 100%
[14:35:36] <bytram> yup, go into the pending queue, select the story, and it looks like I can change things.
[14:34:39] <stderr> Yeah, I have heard that before. :-)
[14:34:25] <bytram> stderr, thanks for that! I was just coming to that conclusion... (the UI for the admin side of things is, umm, poor. :)
[14:33:59] <xyzzyyzzyx> bytram: ok
[14:33:14] <stderr> bytram: It has been done before.
[14:17:35] <bytram> xyzzyyzzyx, am trying a test on the dev server...
[14:16:12] <bytram> xyzzyyzzyx, I don't know, either. But, I am sure that a story can be altered once it hits the main page. Don't know if the dept can be changed at that point, though.
[14:05:21] <xyzzyyzzyx> not sure if things already promoted can be altered. I know they can't be deleted.
[13:57:02] <stderr> Maybe another editor could add a department?
[13:56:05] <xyzzyyzzyx> stderr: Topic listed as 'News'
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[13:27:10] <stderr> http://soylentnews.org No department?
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[05:48:15] <MrBluze> it will be ok
[05:48:11] <MrBluze> nvm.. ill have to fix whatever i did wrong next time
[05:33:51] <MrBluze> what does the display checkbox do
[05:32:41] <MrBluze> okay so when i finish editing an article .. i save it and wait for sign off right?
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[05:29:56] <mrcoolbp> = )
[05:29:56] <MrBluze> connection reset .. hmm
[05:29:28] <MrBluze> gnite mrcoolbp
[05:29:25] <MrBluze> im getting an error with admin.pl
[05:29:25] <mrcoolbp> goodnight
[05:29:18] <mrcoolbp> I'm out for the night guys, I've been on way too long today
[05:16:26] <MrBluze> the military war games / board games is better.. i do that one i think
[05:15:07] <MrBluze> it says.. smartphone use is rising.. but here we have one person who doesnt own one.. amazing
[05:14:56] <MrBluze> well it contradicts itself
[05:14:39] <GungnirSniper> "Mah grandpah got a new dumbfone and so did my aunt so Android is dying."
[05:14:10] <MrBluze> it's like the recent dilbert comics .. the boring guy saying "Did I tell you about the time I saw a potato..."
[05:13:51] <MrBluze> yeah its too obvious
[05:13:41] <GungnirSniper> Also, pretty anecdotal.
[05:12:20] <MrBluze> hmm.. no.. the smart phone / dumb phone article is boring as batsh*t
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[05:08:31] <mrcoolbp> goodnight LaminatorX!
[05:08:00] <MrBluze> :)
[05:06:37] <LaminatorX> Alright. I really did mean to go bed. Goonight everyone, and I'm super-psyched to have the fresh faces on the team. Thank you all.
[05:06:01] <MrBluze> ok
[05:05:57] <LaminatorX> Absolutely. That's how I wrap a lot of AnonTechie's stuff.
[05:05:29] <MrBluze> if i redo a submission completely.. can I change it to "username points out an article from ..."
[05:04:58] <LaminatorX> I'm not going to tell anyone that they have to give us an exclusive on a story or whatever, but it is good form to change it up a bit if you're submitting to multiple places, out of courtesy.
[05:03:43] <LaminatorX> It's not a huge deal, but it does lead to accusations of scraping like the comment above.
[05:02:56] <mrcoolbp> GungnirSniper: well, LaminatorX would be the one to tell you if it's a problem or not, I'm not sure. I only brought it up because I've seen people saying it should be discouraged, and also we get this: http://soylentnews.org
[05:01:43] <LaminatorX> I'm at work then but I can do IRC at the office and it's usually pretty quiet before lunch. Let's do tomorrow, fridays are busier.
[04:58:37] <mrcoolbp> gungnirSniper, are you /msg ing me?
[04:58:11] <MrBluze> ok i am going to edit and prepare the dumbphone/smartphone article
[04:55:58] <mrcoolbp> GungnirSniper: I think if the summary is word for word and we post it also, it doesn't look very good, it's generally discouraged
[04:55:17] <GungnirSniper> I hope so, I added a few comments to stories in the queue today.
[04:55:15] <LaminatorX> That's a long way off, but the idea is to become something of a writing talent incubator in the long run.
[04:54:51] <LaminatorX> One od Barrabas's best ideas, for which there thankfully remains some momentum, is to eventually be able to give feedback and maybe ask for revisions on submissions.
[04:53:48] <mrcoolbp> the transatlantic ping one actually yields some interesting reads with a little help from google
[04:53:15] <MrBluze> ppl don't try very hard i think
[04:53:09] <MrBluze> yeah .. but sometimes the submission is a lead to a more interesting story
[04:52:39] <mrcoolbp> yeah I had a similar reaction
[04:52:31] <LaminatorX> Hey there, GS. Welcome to the terrordome.
[04:52:31] <mrcoolbp> gungnirSniper: did you happen to cross-post the e-cig story (with the exact same summary) to |. ?
[04:52:15] <GungnirSniper> My first reaction on seeing the submissions queue - Holy gods this is what gets submitted?
[04:51:25] <GungnirSniper> Salut.
[04:51:23] <MrBluze> sleep well LaminatorX
[04:51:02] <mrcoolbp> Hey GungnirSniper
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[04:50:01] <MrBluze> but i will :)
[04:49:56] <MrBluze> my time window is actually in about 6 hrs from now normally
[04:49:42] <MrBluze> i can start editing in about 3/4 hours
[04:49:32] <MrBluze> i am at work
[04:49:31] <MrBluze> oh, yes
[04:48:19] <LaminatorX> Again, that second sentance was to have been a question.
[04:47:57] <LaminatorX> I need to head to bed. Can you post two more to get us through til morning. I'll pick up the torch then.
[04:45:41] <LaminatorX> Paid services, generally.
[04:45:05] <MrBluze> .. what do universities use as a check for originality?
[04:44:09] <LaminatorX> That would be handy. There's already a siilar function in place for the dupe checker.
[04:43:31] <MrBluze> idea for editors: automate cross-checking of summaries to see which websites come up with verbatim copies on google
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[04:26:13] <LaminatorX> It should be discouraged, yes.
[04:25:43] <mrcoolbp> true but there was a damning comment calling it out, I'm just saying if he's an editor here, maybe we can ask him not to cross-post identical summaries..
[04:24:36] <LaminatorX> I'm not super worried about cross submissions to |., we're on very friendly terms with them.
[04:23:08] <mrcoolbp> heh
[04:22:51] <LaminatorX> Well, best to get those out of the way sooner rather than later, mrcoolbp. :)
[04:22:03] <mrcoolbp> LaminatorX BTW: maybe we should ask gungnirsniper if he is submitting identical articles to pipedot? It was his submission.
[04:20:22] <mrcoolbp> LaminatorX, Thanks but I managed to post a pipedot story (word for word summary) and broke Betterige's rule alreayd
[04:19:36] <mrcoolbp> n1: ^^^
[04:13:59] <LaminatorX> That second sentance was supposed to be a question. :)
[04:13:00] <LaminatorX> I see you're in the fast ping story, n1. You want to try posting it. I'll give it a look over.
[04:12:35] <LaminatorX> Hey there. Stories are lookin good, fellas.
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[01:10:39] <n1> the founders have shown form though, in 2011 they sold their previous venture to autodesk
[01:05:14] <mrcoolbp> yeah agreed
[00:50:28] <n1> its a real shame, i have a feeling it wont reach its potential now
[00:48:07] <n1> the founders have success behind them, and people seem to like having John Carmack attatched
[00:45:43] <n1> $91mil invested, $75mil later... two years after the start - $2bn to FB, before a product is even released
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[00:45:23] <janrinok> bye guys (again)
[00:43:46] <n1> announced today
[00:43:43] <janrinok> forget the other site - we had it weeks ago - lol
[00:43:40] <n1> yeah it did
[00:43:21] <mrcoolbp> looks like it just happened today
[00:43:06] <janrinok> We ran a story about Oculus Rift in our first few days - although no connection with FB then.
[00:43:00] <n1> according to wiki oculus rift is actually the hardware
[00:42:31] <n1> Oculus Rift was their first game/tech demo from my limited knowledge
[00:42:16] <n1> it's a virtual reality thing
[00:42:14] <mrcoolbp> shit slashdot ran the story already....
[00:42:12] <n1> Oculus VR is the company i think
[00:41:56] <janrinok> what is Oculus Rift?
[00:41:42] <n1> yeah apparently, there was discussion on this in the main channel
[00:41:32] <mrcoolbp> rift*
[00:41:27] <mrcoolbp> facebook bought Oculus rifht?
[00:41:24] <mrcoolbp> n1:
[00:41:21] <mrcoolbp> whoa!
[00:41:12] <mrcoolbp> later!
[00:41:07] <janrinok> np - I'm off now, cheers all!
[00:40:51] <mrcoolbp> well it's still much appreciated
[00:35:41] <janrinok> well I've got a few minutes if anything springs to mind. I think you lesson with LamX will be of more benefit than anything that I have given you today.
[00:34:09] <mrcoolbp> janrinok: thanks, I currently have nothing but I'm sure I will have question soon
[00:33:32] <janrinok> chromas: Unicode is a pain when editing submissions. I try to remove as much as possible. I haven't found an easy way of doing it - but that might be my limitation rather than a system problem.
[00:32:09] <janrinok> I'm going to leave soon - got a day of hospital appointments for tomorrow for my wife. But, any other questions before I go?
[00:28:48] <janrinok> Merge, I haven't used yet, but I suspect that you select 2 subs and press Merge - BUT check that one with LamX first. I could be talking crap at this point.
[00:27:49] <janrinok> to Delete something, select it using the small box immediately to the right of the drop down list which currently says 'Main Page' for the submission in question, and then select 'Delete' at the bottom. You can delete multiple files of course. Use carefully - there is no undo!
[00:25:52] <n1> sometimes it's too obvious it has to be a trick ;)
[00:25:37] <mrcoolbp> duh
[00:25:34] <mrcoolbp> ah
[00:25:26] <janrinok> You simply type whatever you want into the left hand column adjacent to the appropriate story, then press 'Update' at the bottom of the page.
[00:25:26] <mrcoolbp> yes
[00:24:20] <janrinok> doc's now gone - you were asking how to add the comments to the sub list?
[00:24:04] <mrcoolbp> for a little while
[00:23:57] <mrcoolbp> yup
[00:23:18] <janrinok> mrcoolbp: you still around?
[00:14:27] <chromas> Unlike comments, the submissions form doesn't seem to allow html entities for Unicode chars. Is it possible to add them during the editing process?
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[00:00:52] <mrcoolbp> n1, I'm still adding to it, it will have a little more in it in about 20 minutes