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[22:40:54] <Cactus_> Might as well add Janrin while I'm here.
[22:39:40] <Cactus_> Also, Mattie, LamX and myself were the only ones in the group. I guess Dope wasn't even there.
[22:39:13] <Cactus_> Because no one uses the forums =/
[22:39:06] <mrgirlpluggedout> I feel left out.
[22:39:03] <Cactus_> It has mostly been a copy-paste of the early editor submissions.
[22:39:01] <mrgirlpluggedout> whycome I didn't know this existed!
[22:38:37] <Cactus_> No problem.
[22:38:35] <Cactus_> Huzzah!
[22:38:33] <mrgirlpluggedout> Thanks
[22:38:31] <mrgirlpluggedout> Hooray.
[22:37:43] <Cactus_> Refresh the top level directory
[22:36:49] <Cactus_> I think I can manually add you
[22:36:41] <Cactus_> Oh, wow. Looking at the Ed group, we only have 3 people.
[22:36:11] <mrgirlpluggedout> I see Content, Newly Registered, Registered, Code, Style, System, and that's it.
[22:35:41] <mrgirlpluggedout> Yeah, I looked there.
[22:34:23] <Cactus_> User Control Panel --> Usergroups
[22:34:02] <Cactus_> Well, let us see here.
[22:33:33] <mrgirlpluggedout> Where do I find it in the user panel?
[22:31:30] <mrgirlpluggedout> Lemme check.
[22:31:28] <mrgirlpluggedout> Sorry, was afk.
[22:29:58] <Cactus_> Have you added yourself to the Editor group in your user panel?
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[22:26:57] <Cactus_> nm, found you
[22:25:29] <Cactus_> Do you have a forum log-in?
[22:24:49] <Cactus_> It was locked down somehow, lemme see if I can get you in to that group
[22:24:35] <Cactus_> Ok, there is an Editors board between Art and Story Meta-Discussion.
[22:23:51] <mrgirlpluggedout> I see code, style, and content.
[22:23:29] <Cactus_> Can you see the Editors forum, mrgirlpluggedout
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[22:17:57] <mrgirlpluggedout> Is the application thread on the forums?
[22:17:35] <mrgirlpluggedout> G'night
[22:14:20] <Cactus_> Have a good one, janrinok
[22:13:11] <janrinok> cheers guys, until tomorrow.
[22:13:02] <janrinok> well, I've been on here for 7 hours - I think I'd better call it a day
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[22:12:15] <Cactus_> Later, LaminatorX
[22:12:07] <LaminatorX> Thank you again for your trust and hard work. GO TEAM!
[22:12:07] <janrinok> ok cu
[22:11:46] <LaminatorX> Alright. Catchyoulater then. I'll get an IRC todo later tonight like all the cool managers, start reaching out to the other managers, and start recruiting a couple more editors. If anyone thinks some candidates in the application thread are compelling, feel free to bring them to my attention.
[22:10:47] <janrinok> the world needs droks - I think
[22:10:37] <janrinok> lol
[22:10:34] <Cactus_> dork*
[22:10:30] <Cactus_> I type like I speak, and a speak like a drok.
[22:10:09] <Cactus_> Yeah, I say that a lot.
[22:09:42] <janrinok> Cactus_: that sounds very pirate'ish
[22:09:39] <LaminatorX> MMmm. Crust.
[22:09:33] <Cactus_> Getting somewhere, instead of stagnating.
[22:09:21] <Cactus_> Yarr.
[22:09:02] <janrinok> I'm happy with the outcome here
[22:08:41] <janrinok> no - go earn a crust
[22:08:07] <Cactus_> Not I
[22:07:59] <LaminatorX> Anything else you need from me immediately? Dayjob is calling my name.
[22:07:42] <Cactus_> It'll have the people chime in who DON'T immediately jump to bashing.
[22:07:22] <Cactus_> Actually - I think that will be a good thing to ask.
[22:06:29] <LaminatorX> Not necessarily off limits, but needs very careful consideration.
[22:06:12] <Cactus_> oooh
[22:06:06] <LaminatorX> "Ask SN? Social environment of SN " is about religous tolerance on the site.
[22:05:37] <Cactus_> We have one in "Hold" a dupe from late feb
[22:05:27] <Cactus_> Which?
[22:04:38] <LaminatorX> Building understanding: Good, Starting giant flamewar:Bad.
[22:04:08] <Cactus_> Aaaaaand they are gone!
[22:04:03] <LaminatorX> I've held the religeon one. That needs careful handling.
[22:04:00] <janrinok> Cactus_: after you...
[22:03:45] <LaminatorX> Sure.
[22:03:33] <janrinok> I guess so - they were old regime anyway
[22:02:58] <Cactus_> Can we can those?
[22:02:55] <Cactus_> What about those 1st three subs in the queue?
[22:02:45] <Cactus_> Will do
[22:02:41] <LaminatorX> Are there any things in particular you wish to ask of me, at this point?
[22:02:07] <LaminatorX> (which you all should feel free to do whenever you feel like it. :) )
[22:01:29] <LaminatorX> And check in regularly at other times to catch any gaps.
[22:00:11] <LaminatorX> I'll keep posting stuff when I get in to work in the morning.
[21:59:32] <LaminatorX> Unless you can hand-off live.
[21:59:06] <LaminatorX> Alright, let's try to keep posts queued about four hours out any time you sign off, to have a buffer for the next editor to rotate in.
[21:58:36] <janrinok> cu
[21:58:09] <Cactus_> Later, mattie_p
[21:58:03] <mrgirlpluggedout> Have fun and take care
[21:57:47] <mattie_p> speaking of wives,it is date time now with my wife. And then I need to get the kids, so see you all in a few
[21:57:29] <LaminatorX> :)
[21:57:04] <mrgirlpluggedout> Yes, I have a wife. Some of the mystery has already begun to fade.
[21:56:47] <mrgirlpluggedout> Surprisingly, I have my wife's support for over-extending myself yet again.
[21:56:03] <LaminatorX> That's late-nite for most of us.
[21:55:42] <LaminatorX> That's great, MrG.
[21:55:24] <mrgirlpluggedout> But I should always be available at 06-08.
[21:55:23] <janrinok> lol
[21:55:13] <LaminatorX> I already knew when you were around Janrinok :)
[21:53:47] <mrgirlpluggedout> On most days, I usually have the option of editing in other hours as well, about 11-13 UTC.
[21:53:40] <Cactus_> I don't think it needs to be continuous, janrinok.
[21:53:27] <mattie_p> he idles a lot
[21:53:23] <mattie_p> well, he's in China now, so I have to do the time zone conversion, and I don't know when he will wake up
[21:52:56] <Cactus_> I don't think NCommander HAS a set schedule
[21:52:55] <mattie_p> I already announced in #staff
[21:52:40] <mattie_p> so I'll email him and cc NCommander
[21:52:36] <janrinok> I can be on between 1430 and 2200 UTC, but not continuously. I have to look after my wife at the same time, including make meals etc
[21:52:32] <mattie_p> I don't know NCommander's schedule
[21:52:28] <mrgirlpluggedout> Roughly 0600-0800 UTC and/or 2000-2200 UTC.
[21:52:12] <LaminatorX> That's probably best. Either you or NCommander.
[21:51:45] <LaminatorX> mrgirlpluggedout, what's your time like again?
[21:51:27] <Cactus_> Have a good one, mattie_p
[21:51:21] <mattie_p> You want me to let Dopefish know?
[21:51:15] <LaminatorX> Have fun. :) Thanks for kicking this off.
[21:51:09] <mattie_p> thanks for coming up with a consensus
[21:50:57] <mattie_p> well, team, I got a quick date with my wife in a few hours
[21:50:42] <Cactus_> Will do
[21:50:35] <LaminatorX> Be sure to note that in the Weekend Coverage thread, please.
[21:50:11] <LaminatorX> See, like that.
[21:50:05] <Cactus_> I AM going to be out of town on a family vacation at the end of this month.
[21:49:58] <LaminatorX> I like what we started with the weekend coverage thread on the Forum. Weekends will vary widely for us all, no doubt, but if we co-ordinate in advance, then we should be able to keep things humming.
[21:49:08] <Cactus_> I'm usually home and doing nothing of importance on the weekends too now.
[21:49:04] <LaminatorX> That more or less plugs out biggest gap, (formerly known as Dopefish's shift).
[21:48:38] <Cactus_> LaminatorX: I agree.
[21:48:22] <Cactus_> and a few more in the evening.
[21:48:18] <LaminatorX> Right. I wish the forums got more use. If they go away, the'll need to be replaced with something persistant.
[21:48:16] <Cactus_> I'm PST - I can run an article or three depends on the day during my work day
[21:47:47] <Cactus_> yup
[21:47:35] <mrgirlpluggedout> As was mentioned in NCommander's posts, there are too many comm venues atm.
[21:47:22] <LaminatorX> What's everyone's time like as far as coverage?
[21:46:56] <Cactus_> Yeah, just waiting to see what happens with that stuff
[21:46:22] <mattie_p> yeah, depending on how things shake out, forums might be leaving soon
[21:46:11] <LaminatorX> Great, we could use it. I'm theoretically in Forums too, but should probably bow out. (Not that I did much in Forums except ban a spammer and get MrGirl signed up).
[21:44:54] <Cactus_> e
[21:44:53] <Cactus_> I'm going back to editing full tim
[21:44:38] <Cactus_> Pending forums status now, I guess
[21:44:35] <janrinok> brb
[21:44:25] <Cactus_> Now, nothing.
[21:43:29] <LaminatorX> Cactus_, what other projects are you involved in?
[21:43:27] <mrgirlpluggedout> I've been missing a few hours of sleep this week, and I'm pretty much zombiefied atm.
[21:43:11] <LaminatorX> I'll continue editing regularly until we can staff up a bit.
[21:42:37] <mrgirlpluggedout> LaminatorX, sure thing. I'll write something tomorrow. I was already composing something in my head.
[21:42:36] <janrinok> LaminatorX: I think he is editing
[21:41:56] <Cactus_> ish
[21:41:52] <LaminatorX> mrgirlpluggedout, as our resident schollar, would you be willing to post some style suggestions for reserencing sites, articles, films, and such to the Content section of the forum?
[21:41:51] <Cactus_> And Dope
[21:41:44] <mattie_p> I'm still an editor, officially, but haven't been practicing
[21:41:28] <mattie_p> Laminator, Cactus, janrinok, mrgirlpluggedout
[21:41:27] <janrinok> mattie_p: its not a problem. You are preaching to the converted
[21:41:25] <mrgirlpluggedout> Count me in, as I'm working on a story atm.
[21:41:07] <janrinok> Without wanting to poke a hornets' nest - how many _active_ eds have we got at the moment?
[21:41:03] <mattie_p> But I was tied to the Barrabas administration, for good or for ill
[21:40:34] <LaminatorX> OK, so I need to do my actual job in a little bit. But let's toss some things out.
[21:40:30] <mattie_p> Oh, I know that.
[21:39:51] <LaminatorX> Nobodt thought you were the problem.
[21:39:47] <janrinok> on ebay
[21:39:37] <mattie_p> Nope, and even if it was I can sell it
[21:39:27] <mattie_p> my luster was not tarnished as a result of this
[21:39:25] <Cactus_> I don't see why NC would mind, unless he already had plans laid.
[21:39:13] <mattie_p> LaminatorX, its totally fine. Apparently I'm still very influential, and will continue to be driving at least part of the show
[21:38:26] <LaminatorX> I don't forsee a problem with NCommander, I kind of got the IRC overthrow ball rolling the other night. (Sorry you had to field the first wave of the, mattie_p)
[21:38:24] <mrgirlpluggedout> But I got my camel to click on "I agree". That's not legally binding in my village.
[21:37:36] <mrgirlpluggedout> My god, what have I done?!
[21:37:24] <janrinok> mrgirlpluggedout: its like a EULA - gotta read the small print
[21:36:50] <mattie_p> mrgirlpluggedout, by endorsing both, you endorsed LaminatorX
[21:36:42] <LaminatorX> I'm happy for Dopefish to continue to be involved to the extent that he's able.
[21:36:11] <mrgirlpluggedout> But I support this coup d'etat
[21:36:07] <Cactus_> Revolution*
[21:35:56] <mrgirlpluggedout> I endorsed no one in particular!
[21:35:54] <Cactus_> Rervolution is like that.
[21:35:45] <LaminatorX> Thank you for your trust everyone. I'll endeavor to keep earining it.
[21:35:36] <janrinok> there are a lot of dead and newly created kings around this last few days.....
[21:35:27] <Cactus_> So, where does that leave us come Saturday?
[21:35:04] <Cactus_> Huzzah!
[21:34:58] <mattie_p> since I already deferred, its unanimous
[21:34:51] <mattie_p> good
[21:34:47] <Cactus_> Sure.
[21:34:45] <mattie_p> mrgirlpluggedout already endorsed.
[21:34:29] <mattie_p> Cactus, you good with LaminatorX?
[21:34:01] <janrinok> LaminatorX: you are very quiet at the moment....
[21:33:58] <LaminatorX> I would be willing to accept the grouchy newspaperman's visor or whatever the EiC's symbol of office is, pending confirmation from upper management.
[21:33:43] <mattie_p> please trust me on that
[21:33:31] <mattie_p> I can sell NCommander on whatever the consensus is
[21:33:15] <Cactus_> And I suppose Ncommander would have like it, too
[21:33:10] <janrinok> Cactus_: beat me to it
[21:33:00] <janrinok> I take it we have decided that DF cannot fulfill the role
[21:32:53] <Cactus_> Or he might not care, I dunno
[21:32:41] <Cactus_> And if we were to endorse you for editor lead, Dopefish might be an issue.
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[21:31:58] <mattie_p> I already yell at NCommander, so I guess I qualify on those grounds
[21:31:46] <mattie_p> I'd prefer not to. I won't refuse, but I'm involved in just about everything on the site, recent overthrow not-withstanding
[21:31:25] <Cactus_> You'd have to edit less, and yell at us and Ncomm more.
[21:31:17] <Bender> karma - kodos: 1
[21:31:17] <mrgirlpluggedout> Kodos++
[21:30:51] <Cactus_> Would either of you NOT want the post?
[21:30:16] <mrgirlpluggedout> "Both of you have my vote"
[21:30:14] <LaminatorX> Would we get the fight music from old Star trek?
[21:30:11] <Cactus_> lol
[21:30:03] <mrgirlpluggedout> I didn't ask to vote, I was correcting my previous messgage
[21:29:56] <Bender> karma - laminatorx: 1
[21:29:56] <janrinok> LaminatorX++
[21:29:56] <mattie_p> yup
[21:29:53] <Bender> karma - bacon: 1
[21:29:53] <mattie_p> bacon++
[21:29:47] <mattie_p> I think bender takes karma here:
[21:29:32] <mattie_p> assuming they want it
[21:29:29] <Cactus_> I vote we get you both together for a stone circle death match
[21:29:25] <mattie_p> mod up the person of choice
[21:29:23] <janrinok> LaminatorX: look away now,. LaminatorX has been excellent at guiding me along and pointing me the right direction. He would be and excellent choice, but only if he wanted the post.
[21:29:17] <mattie_p> OK, lets vote.
[21:29:07] <mrgirlpluggedout> Vote.
[21:29:06] <mattie_p> I did warn everyone not to put down their pitchforks, I think
[21:28:56] <mrgirlpluggedout> Both of you have my voice.
[21:28:30] <janrinok> I'm happy with either
[21:28:29] <mattie_p> and my editing, frankly, is the worst of the bunch here, I think
[21:28:17] <mattie_p> I would defer to LaminatorX, I've been too involved in other aspects
[21:28:15] <janrinok> lol
[21:28:03] <mattie_p> like, for example, warning editor when department is blank
[21:27:55] <Cactus_> Ok, going to come out and say it. - Is there any reason mattie_p or LaminatorX shouldn't be heading the editor dept?
[21:27:53] <mrgirlpluggedout> A short description of some departments, e.g. techonomics and /dev/random, will help.
[21:27:32] <mattie_p> and pushing those changes through
[21:27:24] <mattie_p> finding ways to make our job easier
[21:27:17] <mattie_p> That's another thing needed
[21:27:04] <mattie_p> Anyway, our overlord needs to be making these suggestions to dev
[21:26:51] <janrinok> horses for courses
[21:26:42] <LaminatorX> Really, it's the reward for editing, at least for me.
[21:26:10] <LaminatorX> Me too. I like us doing it, but if a submitter has a suggestion I take it seriously.
[21:26:04] <janrinok> I'd value that - it is not something that I find particularly easy.
[21:26:01] <mattie_p> its not mandatory though, if we gave them the field it might help
[21:25:46] <mrgirlpluggedout> Same.
[21:25:38] <Cactus_> I've seen people write a dept suggestion in the summary
[21:25:22] <mattie_p> maybe both
[21:25:19] <mattie_p> or was it auto-suggest departments?
[21:25:06] <mattie_p> someone the other day had the recommendation to allow submitters to suggest departments
[21:24:54] <LaminatorX> I was going to write up some samples for mrcoolbp this morning, but instead ended up copyediting NCommander.
[21:23:21] <LaminatorX> That's also the idea behind giving the submitter a line at the top rather than Some Submitter writes: "lorem ipsem dolor et.."
[21:22:40] <mattie_p> well, if we standardize, we could ensure our RSS scrapes it, and then our bots advertise our users, rather than the editors
[21:22:10] <janrinok> An alternative is to link to the user's page on Soylent if it exists?
[21:21:55] <LaminatorX> I was imagining this would be in the message body where "Some Submitter writes:" is going now.
[21:21:16] <mattie_p> I like that idea, as we should be endorsing our community, where our names appear in the byline instead of theirs right now
[21:20:40] <LaminatorX> And the resulting article would display something like "From member Some Submitter:"
[21:20:39] <mattie_p> and that would be done automatically
[21:19:49] <LaminatorX> like instead of having to do <p>Some Submitter writes:</p><p>, we would just have <byline>Some Submitter</byline>
[21:19:21] <mattie_p> we need to provide a recommendation to them on how to fix it
[21:19:10] <mattie_p> yeah, that is part of the problem and needs to be solved
[21:19:05] <janrinok> brb
[21:18:51] <janrinok> lol
[21:18:39] <mattie_p> back when I had no time to address it
[21:18:38] <LaminatorX> Some of which are to be predone as part of the submission's perlwash.
[21:18:32] <mattie_p> yeah, I brought it up a while ago
[21:18:03] <Cactus_> Yarr, THAT sounds good.
[21:18:02] <LaminatorX> Mrcoolbp and I did discuss CSS formatting tags for editor use.
[21:17:55] <mattie_p> they create the css for our posts, so we have to do less formatting ourselves
[21:17:43] <Cactus_> Oh, ok. good.
[21:17:27] LaminatorX|afk is now known as LaminatorX
[21:17:18] <janrinok> being*
[21:17:12] <janrinok> Cactus_: I think it is something that is still be discussed, perhaps with mrcoolbp?
[21:17:00] <mrgirlpluggedout> mattie_p, never underestimate the difficulty some people have with simple markup.
[21:16:59] <mattie_p> then pass it on to frontend/dev
[21:16:51] <mattie_p> just that we standardize what we want submissions to look like
[21:16:39] <mattie_p> I don't think the intent is that we use css
[21:15:40] <Cactus_> Oh, mattie_p, do you know what LamX was talking about with regards to using CSS?
[21:14:56] <mattie_p> true, anyone can pick up the html we use in a day, probably no more than an hour
[21:13:55] <Cactus_> Yeah. It's minimal html we need to do anyway.
[21:13:53] <janrinok> The content is far more important than the format.
[21:13:33] <janrinok> But at the end of the day I'll take what we have if I must.
[21:13:08] <mrgirlpluggedout> Good idea.
[21:12:58] <mattie_p> yeah, Rich-text editor is a frequent suggestion
[21:12:40] <janrinok> Much of the mark-up we do could be automated.
[21:12:20] <janrinok> Unless we provide an intelligent editor for the submitter to use?
[21:11:38] <mrgirlpluggedout> We should minimize the difficulty in submitting. HTML is an unnecessary hurdle, imo.
[21:11:34] <janrinok> A title, good original-source links, and as well written as the submitter is able to do. Original material or subjects an extra bonus. We have had some good ones today.
[21:09:35] <janrinok> Well, some people do not use HTML bacause its not the way most people actually write. If we frighten them off with lots of markup examples I don't think that is any help.
[21:09:16] <Cactus_> If it's too long, it's more likely to just be ignored.
[21:08:48] <Cactus_> I like the part about anonymity. Should probably leave that in if we rewrite
[21:08:28] <mattie_p> Maybe an example? to make it easier?
[21:08:02] <mattie_p> Not really, I think
[21:07:02] <Cactus_> I suppose that paragraph is valid enough.
[21:05:10] <Cactus_> Just a normal "Thank you for submitting to Soylent News! To assist us with ......"
[21:04:53] <mrgirlpluggedout> I suppose I ghosted for a while.
[21:04:53] <mattie_p> right now it says this: Here is where you can submit a story for the SoylentNews Editors to peer at it, poke it with a stick, and perhaps post it for all to share and enjoy. It is very important that you write a clear simple subject, and include relevant links in your story. If you wish to be anonymous, feel free to leave the identifying fields blank. Anonymity has no effect on whether we will accept or reject the story.
[21:04:46] <mrgirlpluggedout> I was disconnected for at least a good 15 minutes.
[21:04:21] <janrinok> mrgirlpluggedout: only abou a page and a bit. you can back read in less than a minute
[21:04:17] <mattie_p> Brief parargraph on the submission page, with link to wiki?
[21:04:11] <Cactus_> All hail Mr. Girl!
[21:04:00] <mattie_p> everything, you are the new overlord of editors :)
[21:03:50] <Cactus_> Yeah, you are right Jan, a lot don't.
[21:03:47] <mrgirlpluggedout> What'd I miss? :)
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[21:03:28] <Cactus_> Maybe even a link to the wiki showing a style guid, if they want to REALLY helpful.
[21:03:15] <janrinok> I'm not sure how many people ever read the advice...?
[21:03:05] <mattie_p> Cactus_: ^
[21:03:04] <Cactus_> The better your summary, the more likely we'll post, and the quicker we can post.
[21:02:37] <Cactus_> Maybe a short paragraph explaining to submitters that the more they help us, the more we can help them
[21:02:07] <janrinok> Certainly I have strong views about NOT copying stories from other sites or, if you offer a story to 2 sites, at least tell them both that you have done so.
[21:01:27] <mattie_p> but if we can get better submissions, that means less work for us though
[21:01:13] <mattie_p> janrinok true
[21:01:02] <mattie_p> Life > soylentnews
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[21:00:52] <mattie_p> sure, go for it
[21:00:46] <LaminatorX> Gotta step away for a bit. Back soon.
[21:00:33] <LaminatorX> One more: filling in the gap if the team is short handed from time to time.
[21:00:29] <janrinok> that's my job as ed, at the end of the day
[21:00:11] <janrinok> But I wouldn't want to dissuade someone from submitting just because the format isn't correct
[20:59:40] <mattie_p> need clear standards as far as what makes a good submission
[20:59:35] <janrinok> ^^^
[20:59:21] <LaminatorX> Co-ordinating posting/coverage, overseing training/quality/standards, facillitating with other working groups, speaking for the team/site in public.
[20:59:21] <janrinok> yes - sounds like a plan
[20:59:04] <Cactus_> exactly, janrinok. And if we do have everyone here and ready with nothing to do, that's when we can go hunting for our own stories.
[20:58:55] <mattie_p> good point there
[20:58:23] <janrinok> You also have to have a bit of spare capacity - there will always be sickness, personal issues etc which result in someone not being available for a while
[20:58:05] <Cactus_> Chief*
[20:57:58] <Cactus_> But, for now - what do we need from a chiff?
[20:57:29] <Cactus_> I hink we should talk about it more on Sat, and potentials to bring in as more editors
[20:57:11] <mattie_p> let me catch up
[20:57:06] <mattie_p> back now. sorry about that
[20:56:21] <janrinok> at least for the time being
[20:56:08] <janrinok> But essentially we must depend upon the readers to submit good quality stories
[20:56:02] <LaminatorX> Very much in keeping with Barrabas's "Be The Atlantic in ten years dream." Despite everything, I think it's a good goal.
[20:55:24] <LaminatorX> That's a down-the-road move, but I like it.
[20:54:59] <janrinok> Thats a good idea, editors and 'reporters'
[20:54:39] <Cactus_> if we pull the people who know what a good story is, we could have them all on "staff" and we could spend a bit more time hunting for our own stories, while keeping the typical sub queue empty.
[20:54:30] <janrinok> There are also some whose work you have to check carefully because more often than not its taken from one of the other 3 sites - straight copy.
[20:54:09] <LaminatorX> No, but the /. formatting gunk will go away, and we'll be able to use some CSS local tags like <byline> or <book-title>
[20:53:55] <Cactus_> Maybe he doesn't have the time to write summaries, so he wouldn't be a good editor, or maybe he would work out well.
[20:53:03] <Cactus_> LaminatorX: How so? We getting a rich text editor?
[20:53:03] <LaminatorX> AnonTechie's probably our top submitter. Sadly his stories take a bit more work, since he doesn't much summarize, but they're good topics and they keep coming.
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[20:52:23] <janrinok> Yes AnonTechie Its all copy/pasta but he is prolific.
[20:51:59] <janrinok> Otherwise someone can come on, do 2 stories, and leave feeling that they have done their fair share
[20:51:47] <Cactus_> I know janrinok and mrgirlpluggedout were subitting piles of good submissions before they were brought in as editors, have you guys seen anyone like that lately?
[20:51:38] <LaminatorX> The hands on editing process should be smoother in the not too distant future as well, based on my conversation with Style.
[20:51:12] <janrinok> But I go back to what I said - we need to know what is expected. 3 stories, 6 stories, 1800-2100 or whatever?
[20:50:31] <janrinok> Ideally yes
[20:50:17] <Cactus_> If we found another 2 or three people, maybe we could keep the submission queue cleaned out, ADN editors would have time to go searching fro another story or 2 each day.
[20:50:07] <janrinok> ones*
[20:49:57] <janrinok> I'ts tempting to pick a few easy one's and leave quickly!
[20:49:56] <LaminatorX> The faster pace could work with a few more active hands. I think submission quantity is more of a liiting factor at the moment.
[20:49:36] <Cactus_> Very true
[20:49:27] <janrinok> It depends on submission quality. Some can be done in 15 minutes, some take _much_ longer
[20:48:41] <Cactus_> Well, would it be better to have a whole cabal of editors, so each only needs to do 2-3 /day?
[20:48:38] <janrinok> I feel guilty leaving to go to bed if there is nothing waiting in the next few slots. If I knew someone was about to start I could be more relaxed about it.
[20:47:59] <LaminatorX> Not quite, but close.
[20:47:39] <Cactus_> Well, honestly, it's only been you and Lam editing lately
[20:47:32] <janrinok> I can see how dupes occur.
[20:47:15] <janrinok> The last few days have been better, but I still spend all of my time editing and very little reading what is actually on the site from the other eds.
[20:45:58] <LaminatorX> They're doing well now, but that was a bunch of completely uneccesary stress.
[20:45:21] <LaminatorX> We all get busy, but a note to mattie or myself about co-ordinating training would've taken 60 seconds.
[20:45:13] <Cactus_> Yeah, there was that - "Here's your new editors! Have fun"
[20:45:09] <janrinok> We need to know who is on and when, and what is expected of them (posting rate etc)
[20:45:01] <mattie_p> I need to step out, and frankly the four of you have done most of the publishing lately
[20:44:34] <LaminatorX> My biggest complaint WRT Dopefish is not his current absence, nor his rushed formatting. it's that he left the new folks twisting in the wind.
[20:44:33] <mattie_p> we've got most of the editors here right now
[20:44:29] <janrinok> I don't know his personal circumstances so I'm not accusing anyone of anything
[20:44:27] <mattie_p> so start brainstorming
[20:44:20] <mattie_p> yup
[20:44:16] <Cactus_> Well, that'd bring us to #3) What do we need from the Editor-in-chief?
[20:44:02] <mattie_p> I mean, I have nothing against him, but if he can't be available when we need him, then it won't work out
[20:43:11] <mattie_p> Everyone is still holding pitchforks, and it might be time for a change if Dopefish cannot be as available.
[20:43:10] <janrinok> TBH, I don't think I've spoken to DF on this channel
[20:43:03] <LaminatorX> Thanks. I think 2-ed is ideal. Anytime we can do it, we should.
[20:42:34] <mattie_p> Don't be embarrassed, you've been extremely helpful
[20:42:23] <janrinok> Certainly until I have fully found my feet, then the 2 ed thing is invaluable. I'll let others decide when I no longer need it
[20:41:37] * LaminatorX blushes.
[20:41:14] <mattie_p> Yeah, I've seen some of those sessions, I find them very productive
[20:40:45] <janrinok> at this stage I probably refer to LaminatorX for advice once a day. I value having someone to bounce ideas off
[20:40:36] <mattie_p> 3) what do we need from editor overlord?
[20:40:27] <mattie_p> 2) how do we review articles after the fact and determine if we should post more stories like that?
[20:39:57] <mattie_p> 1) based on feedback from poll, how do we post? Do we need the 2 editor thing?
[20:39:38] <mattie_p> anyway, couple of ideas to discuss here
[20:39:17] <mattie_p> good
[20:39:12] <janrinok> I have
[20:38:59] <mattie_p> also, sign up for staff email list if you didn't already
[20:38:48] <janrinok> yep
[20:38:42] <mattie_p> to: Jan Rinok <jan.rinok@rambler.ru> is that you?
[20:38:24] <janrinok> but no prob
[20:38:19] <janrinok> not received
[20:38:10] <mattie_p> so lets brainstorm a couple of things
[20:37:50] <mattie_p> you are listed as in the to: line
[20:37:31] <mattie_p> email was sent on 1 March
[20:37:30] <janrinok> thx
[20:37:22] <mattie_p> Our editor meetings going forward will be held on a biweekly basis every other Saturday at 1 PM PST, starting next Saturday the 8th of March.
[20:36:54] <janrinok> lol
[20:36:51] <janrinok> any tz will do
[20:36:41] <mattie_p> umm, hang on
[20:36:20] <janrinok> I can't see any email - what time is the meet?
[20:35:18] <mattie_p> I believe he has, he set the time based on his schedule
[20:35:04] <Cactus_> Has he confimed he'll be there, since sending the email?
[20:34:46] <mattie_p> no personal attacks mind, just staff expectations
[20:34:34] <mattie_p> and if he can provide it
[20:34:30] <mattie_p> we can discuss on Saturday what we need
[20:34:07] <janrinok> and availability spread around the clock
[20:34:06] <mattie_p> Should we readdress the previous applications or throw it open again?
[20:34:05] <LaminatorX> There are things that need done. If Dopefish can do them, then great. I like the guy. But if he doesn't have the time then someone else needs to.
[20:33:52] <janrinok> agreed
[20:33:48] <mattie_p> I think we need more editors, personally
[20:33:38] <mattie_p> Well, you all know where I've been
[20:33:36] <janrinok> I'm not criticising anyone.
[20:33:25] <janrinok> I don't know where people have been or if they have personal issues
[20:33:11] <mattie_p> yeah, he tends to tear up the pages
[20:32:58] <LaminatorX> I was going to send him some samples this morning, but got tied up editing NCommander's epistle.
[20:32:55] <mattie_p> Do we need Dopefish to do more?
[20:32:51] <mattie_p> anyway, for our team.
[20:32:35] <janrinok> needed to leave and rejoin - don't know why
[20:32:31] <LaminatorX> I did have a good chat with mrcoolbp re CSS and formatting issues last night.
[20:32:16] <mattie_p> ahh, see you now
[20:32:16] <janrinok> back on again
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[20:31:56] <LaminatorX> I'm not sure what he's been doing. I interpereted his scarcity to mean that you two were working with Barrabas on managerish things, or that he was teaming with Style on layout and such,but that seems to not have been the case
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[20:29:24] <mattie_p> Do we need Dopefish to do more?
[20:24:37] <mattie_p> do it
[20:06:54] <LaminatorX> I'm taking the Crimea story live now. That's breaking news.
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[04:49:09] <VitaminR> yo
[04:48:58] <LaminatorX> Hello.
[04:48:44] <VitaminR> Roey here
[04:48:42] <VitaminR> greetings
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[02:35:28] <n1> if all your need is moral support, i'm here :p
[02:33:02] <mattie_p> guess not
[02:28:52] <mattie_p> aside from me, that is?
[02:28:39] <mattie_p> Any editors on board right now?
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