#dev | Logs for 2017-06-16

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[11:01:23] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: I've done a bunch more work looking at the gross and net payments for subscriptions... from what I can tell atm (strictly for this year)
[11:01:35] <Bytram> 3702.53 Gross
[11:01:48] <TheMightyBuzzard> kay
[11:01:51] <Bytram> 3574.59 net (according to db)
[11:02:03] <Bytram> 3561.557 net (according to my calcs)
[11:02:07] <TheMightyBuzzard> s'prolly in the neighborhood
[11:02:31] <Bytram> 13.033 delta (net_db - net_calc)
[11:02:45] <Bytram> strangely enough,
[11:02:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> well if yer trying to second guess paypal's fees, yer likely wrong there
[11:03:07] <Bytram> there are values in the DB that look to be high, and others which appear to be low. ???!!??
[11:03:42] <TheMightyBuzzard> from paypal, yeah. don't try to factor gross to net on paypal. they give us both.
[11:04:10] <Bytram> yeah, I look at their numbers, but also calculate it independently
[11:04:19] <Bytram> look at the 3 most-recent subs
[11:04:21] <TheMightyBuzzard> don't. you'll always be wrong
[11:04:35] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[11:04:41] <TheMightyBuzzard> european cards get charged more and paypal account money gets charged less
[11:05:03] <Bytram> that's three payments of $20.00 but in one case we net 19.12 and two others we net 18.82
[11:05:18] <Bytram> oh, forgot about that.
[11:05:57] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod, figured ya did. and yer the one what told me about it. =P
[11:06:34] <Bytram> well, that clears up *some* of it...
[11:06:37] <Bytram> https://soylentnews.org
[11:06:46] <Bytram> look at spid == 671
[11:06:59] <Bytram> and 669
[11:07:07] <Bytram> and 665
[11:07:07] <Bytram> gross == net
[11:07:10] <Bytram> ??!?
[11:08:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> you haven't had the luxury of having net calculated prior to us putting it in. before that they'll be the same.
[11:08:28] <Bytram> (BTW, "Prev Sub Payments >>" button only works ONCE, then are stuck on same page.
[11:09:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> we didn't always have net for stripe, remember? just put it in last update.
[11:09:51] <Bytram> kinda sorta remember... /me is not entirely awake
[11:10:00] <Bytram> but, it makes sense
[11:10:00] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod
[11:10:21] * Bytram checks something quick-like
[11:11:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> 672 was the first payment where we differentiated between cc and bitcoin and calculated net based on which it was.
[11:11:57] <Bytram> yep, that matches what I just checked....
[11:12:26] <Bytram> last time gross == net was spid 671 (except when an admin does a grant)
[11:16:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> for non-official tallies you can assume stripe charges without CC/BTC are CC but we can't put that in the code because it's not checked and we don't put assumptions in the code.
[11:19:13] <Bytram> yuppers, like NULLs, there's a difference between saying it's nothing versus not saying anything
[11:19:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> never, ever look for the subs page to be able to generate totals that precisely match what we see on the Stripe/Paypal dashboards though.
[11:20:16] <TheMightyBuzzard> i've no interest in keeping up with every little nuance of both apis closely enough to make that happen
[11:20:27] * Bytram does not have access to the dashboards... and unless I can get READ-ONLY access, would like to keep it that way.
[11:20:55] <Bytram> okay, gotta get ready for work... very much appreciate the chat and the brainstorming!
[11:21:05] <TheMightyBuzzard> yup, but you don't need a 100% precise total for the beg-o-meter
[11:21:11] <TheMightyBuzzard> nod nod. laters.
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