#dev | Logs for 2017-02-23
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[00:42:39] <paulej72> Bytram: removed threshold from TNG.
[03:18:11] <Bytram> paulej72: I don't know how you did it, but I see that it threshold is not missing from TNG -- nice! THANK YOU!
[03:19:38] <Bytram> TheMightyBuzzard: I appreciate all the hard work! Sadly, it looks like we are not quite there yet... this story has 23 comments, but I only see 20 + 1 == 21 comments presented; seems the TLCs are missing here: https://dev.soylentnews.org
[03:19:39] <aqu4> ^ "320170215e - Test Story - Please DO NOT Moderate and DO NOT Post Comments - Comment Score Testing - Dev.SN"
[03:40:59] <Bytram> I slept pretty poorly last night and am quite knackered atm. Can't focus, so I'm going to try and get a good night's sleep and give it another look-see in the AM
[03:41:06] <Bytram> ~gnight #dev
[04:36:31] <TheMightyBuzzard> Bytram, 20 comments BELOW this one, 1 comment Below this one. 20 + 1 = 21; 1 + 1 = 2; 21 + 2 = 23;
[05:00:18] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, removing threshold selector makes you unable to go from TNG to TOS/Flat with Threshold pre-set.
[05:00:46] <TheMightyBuzzard> in other words, it will annoy the hell out of Bytram when he goes to test things.
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[14:20:44] <paulej72> What, I thought that is what he wanted
[14:23:29] <paulej72> It will rember your setting from threshold, it just does not show control that does not work for TNG
[14:25:38] <paulej72> well it did last night, but I think it is not
[14:32:49] <paulej72> fixed
[14:33:52] <paulej72> I was fixing the template live last night and I forgot to copy one change to my local copy before commiting it
[14:38:06] <Bytram> paulej72: yes, it was what I asked for, (hiding breakthrough I think it was) but had not thought of TMB's point about changing between modes...
[14:38:41] <paulej72> I think it should stay as most people will not change between modes often
[14:38:42] <Bytram> my thoughts atm are that people will generally play around with the modes, find one they prefer, and then stick with it... only adjusting the T/B values
[14:38:53] <paulej72> yep
[14:38:56] <Bytram> ninja'd
[14:39:21] <Bytram> so, I'm thinking to provide controls that are appropriate to the current mode the user is in.
[14:39:55] <Bytram> if they change and and then change back, just restore whatever was the last vbalue they had... which they can change if they so desire.
[14:40:24] <Bytram> IOW, just because they don't see it, doesNOT mean it is not there -- we're just not using it in this mode
[14:41:06] <Bytram> just need to add a disclaimer in preferences as to which modes the T/B are effective in -- I *think* that should cover it?
[14:41:21] <paulej72> probably.
[14:42:04] <Bytram> btw, I had to reboot my system, so all my old tabs which had examples of different presentations of selections based on prior implementations all just got cleared and reloaded to the current display paradigm. :/
[14:42:19] <paulej72> Also need to figure out if tlc in TNG adhear to breakthrough. THey should, but in my limited testing I think they might not
[14:43:24] <paulej72> Yep that needs fixed. tlc should not be special in tng
[14:43:31] <Bytram> that brings up another aspect... just what does it mean (as in what does a user see for any given comment) when a particular comment does or does not meet threshold and/or breakthrough and whether or not it is a TLC, 2LC, 3LC, etc.
[14:44:41] <paulej72> this is why we need a faq for this
[14:44:51] <Bytram> and I think it bears mentioning at this point that this is some, umm, convoluted stuff as whether or not to display a comment and how to present it is foundational (IMHO) as to the value ofthe site and there are SOMANY KNOBS one can set to adjust that behavior.
[14:45:00] <Bytram> paulej72++ YES!
[14:45:00] <Bender> karma - paulej72: 9
[14:45:02] <paulej72> too much shit to put next the prefs
[14:45:24] <Bytram> 100% agree.
[14:45:48] <Bytram> I'm thinking the best approach is to provide enumerated examples
[14:47:01] <Bytram> oh, and along with the preceding, there is also the matter of what the [^] [^^] [v] and [vv] mean, and how they behave: initially, toggled repeatedly, or in various orders of intermingling.
[14:48:00] <Bytram> those permutations, of course, applied to different comments at different levels, scores, and wrt scores of ancestor and child comment(s)
[14:48:45] <Bytram> just enumerating these permutations is enough, for me at least, to make clear how much work you and TMB have put into this -- an undertaking NOT for the weak of heart -- I'm mighty impressed!
[14:49:47] <Bytram> I'm beating on this stuff so hard because I want so much for this rollout to succeed and would prefer you get the noise from me, rather than some, possibly large chunk, of the SN community. =)
[14:52:50] * Bytram takes a look at his work schedule
[14:54:00] <Bytram> late shift tonight and Saturday; early shift Fri and Sunday.
[14:54:22] <paulej72> that blows
[14:55:14] <paulej72> i hated doing that 8 hrs on, 8 hrs off, then 8 hrs on again. WIth travel time, you don't get much sleep
[14:56:41] <Bytram> we not-so-affectionally call it "clopen" -- close one night and open the next morning
[14:57:24] <Bytram> is MUCH worse during the holiday season when the store is open like 7am-midnight... fortunately, I had almost exclusively morning shifts last year.
[14:57:46] <Bytram> given the possibilities, I could not have hoped for better
[14:57:58] <Bytram> brb
[14:58:52] <Bytram> remembered I requested (and received ) a shift swap for next week -- need to re D/L schedule, etc... biab
[16:25:20] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, okay. i'll unspecial TLCs for TNG after i get a nap in.
[22:14:10] <TheMightyBuzzard> paulej72, Bytram, TLCs are no longer special in TNG