#dev | Logs for 2015-04-02

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[22:57:42] <takyon> So my questions boil down to: Is there anything additional needed to know about the "merge" function, how does clicking the original submission link handle 2 or more merged stories, do new/any editors uncheck the "Display" checkbox when submitting stories they are unsure about, and are there any policies about square bracket corrections, paywalls, and additional links at the end of the summary
[22:59:14] <mrcoolbp> merge isn't used very often
[22:59:44] <mrcoolbp> but I can explain (btw this is "dev" we should probably be in #editorial but no matter, we don't use this channel much)
[22:59:49] <takyon> well when that solar aircraft story posted there was like 3 at once. I look at the submission list a lot so I've seen other instances
[23:00:15] <mrcoolbp> let me check on how it handles the submission on a merged story
[23:00:59] <mrcoolbp> takyon: you generally don't want to add editors notes, but I think there is a short policy on them, maybe in story style
[23:01:38] <takyon> I didn't say anything about editor notes
[23:02:05] <takyon> square brackets is for correcting misspelling in quoted material and such
[23:03:24] <mrcoolbp> aye, you can do that
[23:03:42] <mrcoolbp> takyon: I'm looking at a submission from a merge
[23:04:11] <takyon> the stuff I mentioned could go in the style guide
[23:04:32] <mrcoolbp> when you merge two stories in the submission queue, it makes a new "submission" with both submissions written in the "body text" area
[23:04:53] <mrcoolbp> takyon: yeah if you want to help us write that guide, it's a living document
[23:05:13] <takyon> yeah I can start it
[23:05:24] <mrcoolbp> obviously it's best to leave quotes alone as much as possible, but I do change puntation to follow the presented format
[23:06:01] <mrcoolbp> s'how I was taught
[23:06:09] <takyon> well there are mistakes that need a square bracket fix like this line from my latest submission...
[23:06:43] <takyon> "This is probably not a concern unless you're perform encryption"
[23:07:33] <mrcoolbp> I would post the story with "unless [you] perform" or "unless [one performs] encryption"
[23:07:44] <mrcoolbp> but some may use [sic] there
[23:08:18] <mrcoolbp> to answer your question, looks like the "submission" link goes to the "merged submission" I mentioned above
[23:08:37] <takyon> well there's several ways to fix the spelling/grammar, but using [sic] is substantially different approach than making a correction
[23:08:55] <mrcoolbp> agreed, they all depend on the situation, one must use judgement
[23:09:07] <mrcoolbp> could always ping anonther editor on #editorial
[23:09:10] <mrcoolbp> another*
[23:10:34] <mrcoolbp> takyon, more answers: brand new editors are encouraged to uncheck "display" if they are unsure, paywalls are a good place to use [brackets] (I also do this for excessive ads or autoplay videos to warn users)
[23:11:25] <mrcoolbp> takyon: if you want to learn more about the merge function submit two stories to dev server, and merge them in submissions and play around = )
[23:11:25] <takyon> ah yeah can't forget the autoplay
[23:11:32] <mrcoolbp> yeah, hate those
[23:12:08] <mrcoolbp> our motto is "go ahead and try to break dev" I mean that's what it's there for
[23:12:16] <takyon> do I get a soylent email
[23:12:34] <mrcoolbp> if we sign off on you of course
[23:12:41] <takyon> cool
[23:12:51] <mrcoolbp> judging by the questions and your attention to detail, you'll have no problem = )
[23:13:44] <takyon> the story list is in chronological order rather than the reverse chronological order of pending stories, right
[23:14:23] <mrcoolbp> nah, they are both revers
[23:14:38] <mrcoolbp> submissions list is chron I think
[23:14:41] <mrcoolbp> yeah
[23:14:47] <mrcoolbp> submissions is straight chron
[23:14:55] <mrcoolbp> stories/mainpage are reverse
[23:16:10] <takyon> that's about it I think
[23:16:27] <takyon> shoot me an email... or I guess I'll notice if my account is upgraded
[23:18:25] <mrcoolbp> sec
[23:20:48] <mrcoolbp> takyon: you have full editor privs on dev.soylentnews.org
[23:21:57] <takyon> do I need to post a test story over there
[23:22:05] <mrcoolbp> I'll get the authors_cache rebuilt in a few minutes (so you can post stories that don't have a blank author) but feel free to start messing around immediately
[23:22:42] <mrcoolbp> takyon: our M.O. for approving editors is asking them to edit a test submission and post it to the mainpage of dev for our review
[23:22:55] <mrcoolbp> we usually ask for 2-3 stories actually
[23:23:25] <takyon> from the actual submissions list?
[23:23:55] <mrcoolbp> takyon: use the stories that have "*DELETE THIS LINE* " on the righthand side (and yes, do delete that line)
[23:24:09] <mrcoolbp> takyon: you'll find 3 directly below \/ \/ \/ Editor Training Submissions Below This Line \/ \/ \/
[23:24:23] <mrcoolbp> can do the disney story also if ya want
[23:24:28] <mrcoolbp> or any 2 of those
[23:24:36] <mrcoolbp> 2 is usually good enough
[23:25:06] <takyon> I can't login to dev.soylentnews.org
[23:25:31] <mrcoolbp> takyon: password issue?
[23:25:39] <mrcoolbp> i can change the password if ya want
[23:25:59] <takyon> oh wow
[23:26:04] <mrcoolbp> ?
[23:26:09] <takyon> I'm pretty sure it took my old password, not my new one
[23:26:13] <takyon> that's a security issue
[23:26:20] <mrcoolbp> no, they are seperate DBs
[23:26:44] <mrcoolbp> when you changed it on prod, the dev (older dump) db still had your old one
[23:27:10] <takyon> so if you change it one, it remains the site-generated one in dev
[23:27:17] <takyon> aye
[23:27:27] <mrcoolbp> depends on when the dump is from
[23:27:35] <mrcoolbp> sometimes they update dev and use different dumps
[23:27:44] <mrcoolbp> new users aren't even on dev
[23:27:59] <mrcoolbp> post 4k uids are not anyway
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[23:37:56] <takyon> if I save the disney story, that removes it from the dev submissions list?
[23:40:35] <mrcoolbp> yes
[23:40:37] <mrcoolbp> that's fine
[23:40:39] <mrcoolbp> do that
[23:44:47] <mrcoolbp> takyon: when you think it's ready, set it for release 3 hours after the story I just moved to the top " topics/submissions working"
[23:47:19] <mrcoolbp> takyon: I'm gonna grab foodstuff, I'll be back on a bit later but feel free to ping me