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[20:53:29] <Alberto> ok
[20:53:39] <Alberto> NCommander, you want a spanish version like barrapunto
[20:53:55] <Alberto> for that to work you will need 3 things, interface, topics and content.
[20:54:01] <Alberto> is the only way to move them
[20:54:58] <NCommander> Well, interface is the bit I can help w/
[20:55:00] <Alberto> TheMightyBuzzard, there is a list of priorities on Soylent?
[20:55:11] <Alberto> so we can see what can be founded
[20:55:15] <TheMightyBuzzard> Alberto, a long one, yes.
[20:55:16] <Alberto> and start to campain
[20:55:27] <Alberto> can you give me the link?
[20:55:50] <TheMightyBuzzard> here right now, it will change soon though. https://github.com
[20:55:52] <aqu4> Title for page "https://github.com/SoylentNews/slashcode/issues?milestone=&q=is%3Aopen": "3Issues · SoylentNews/slashcode · GitHub"
[20:55:55] <NCommander> I think I found my project for today
[20:56:03] <NCommander> Seeing how hard it will be to get rehash to do i18n on the templates
[20:56:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> good luck
[20:58:21] <NCommander> TheMightyBuzzard, I vaguely remember you telling me that before I ported the damn thing to MP2 :P
[20:59:03] <TheMightyBuzzard> see, it works then
[21:00:09] <Alberto> on the milestone list i see various reported items as "easy"
[21:00:15] <Alberto> the one related to ssl and www
[21:00:24] <Alberto> just enforce a non-www website and done
[21:00:28] <Alberto> and many others
[21:01:19] <TheMightyBuzzard> yes, and we're constantly adding to the list.
[21:01:39] <TheMightyBuzzard> or finding and fixing things that weren't on it.
[21:03:29] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, i don't have time to make grand plans today. i'll leave that to you two.
[21:04:01] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, you here?
[21:04:21] <mrcoolbp> yeah
[21:04:26] <Alberto> NCommander, lets get money for Bytram and his computer and more money for the devs so they can finish other important stuff
[21:04:32] * mrcoolbp is training the editorz
[21:04:44] <Alberto> mrcoolbp++
[21:04:45] <Bender> karma - mrcoolbp: 1
[21:04:45] <TheMightyBuzzard> Alberto, "more" money? we don't get paid.
[21:04:55] <Alberto> TheMightyBuzzard, then lets get you money! :P
[21:05:02] <TheMightyBuzzard> i like the way you think
[21:05:05] <mrcoolbp> lol
[21:05:13] <Alberto> "Sponsor a Dev"
[21:05:16] <mrcoolbp> NCommander: what can I do for you?
[21:05:38] <Alberto> how many users or "donors" have Soylentnews active now?
[21:05:49] <Alberto> Because we can donate like 5 or 10 every month
[21:05:52] <Alberto> $
[21:05:52] <aqu4> The beer command requires an argument.
[21:05:56] <TheMightyBuzzard> anyway, really do have to go. still got a closet or two to go through today.
[21:06:12] <Alberto> TheMightyBuzzard, go, i will spam ideas
[21:08:10] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, can you hash out ideas with Alberto about a Spanish SN? I kinda can't focus right now
[21:09:06] <mrcoolbp> I can multitask more, sure
[21:09:09] <mrcoolbp> hey alberto
[21:09:19] <mrcoolbp> como estas amigo?
[21:09:23] <Alberto> lol
[21:09:29] <Alberto> very good and you mrcoolbp ?
[21:09:35] <mrcoolbp> Excellente.
[21:09:37] <Alberto> you can spanish? :D
[21:09:42] <Alberto> excelente
[21:09:42] <mrcoolbp> puedo
[21:09:49] <mrcoolbp> portugese tambien
[21:09:52] <Alberto> prefer english or spanish?
[21:09:55] <mrcoolbp> English
[21:09:59] <mrcoolbp> I was just showing off
[21:10:05] <Alberto> hahaha
[21:10:12] <Alberto> fica com deus!
[21:10:15] <Alberto> joking
[21:10:18] <Alberto> ok then
[21:10:18] * NCommander is going to get back to retiring nitrogen which is a pressing TODO
[21:10:32] <Alberto> NCommander, what is that nitrogen thingy?
[21:10:36] <mrcoolbp> do that NCommander: I got this
[21:10:43] <mrcoolbp> alberto it's one of our servers
[21:10:49] <Alberto> mrcoolbp, ok then, i was thinking on a easy way to do a "spanish" content
[21:10:51] <mrcoolbp> we are trying to consolidate (use less servers)
[21:11:03] <mrcoolbp> alberto he's trying to save us money!
[21:11:08] <Alberto> is like in a few stages
[21:11:12] <Alberto> great!
[21:11:21] <mrcoolbp> lay it out for me. What are you thinking?
[21:11:22] <Alberto> Look, you have a section wich is the homepage
[21:11:38] <Alberto> What "if" on your preferences you can choose the language for the main website stuff
[21:11:50] <Alberto> and a homepage, with english or spanish content?
[21:11:55] <Alberto> make it simple
[21:12:24] <mrcoolbp> that's cool, but all the "Content" (stories/comments) would still be in english right?
[21:12:43] <Alberto> you can try to get the spanish version if exists
[21:13:07] <Alberto> well NCommander wanted to get the users from barrapunto to use soylent
[21:13:15] <mrcoolbp> Alberto: seems to me that this project would be better suited to as NC put it "a barrapunto replacement"
[21:13:17] <Alberto> So you have 1 or 2 options
[21:13:31] <Alberto> Yes but content matters
[21:13:47] <Alberto> and spanish language and related content on that language matters
[21:14:13] <Alberto> So, first of all we need to make a todo of where and how about translations
[21:14:17] <Alberto> and second is content
[21:14:30] <Alberto> content can be easy as hell
[21:14:45] <Alberto> translate from main english to native plan non-country-related spanish
[21:14:52] <mrcoolbp> sure
[21:15:08] <Alberto> Soylent needs to delegate some work to users
[21:15:27] <mrcoolbp> Alberto: are you talking about autotranslating (like google translate) the stories and comments?
[21:15:27] <Alberto> or they have to choose if gettext or plain templates
[21:15:31] <Alberto> no
[21:15:54] <mrcoolbp> sorry I'm trying to follow what you mean. I'm not a developer, I'm more of an everything else guy around here
[21:15:57] <Alberto> Translation can be easy anyway you can use google as a "helper" but i prefer other system for translation wich does better
[21:16:15] <Alberto> as me :p
[21:17:24] <Alberto> So first of all they have to decide what is the plan for templates..
[21:17:35] <Alberto> if they will do Gettext with Template::Toolkit
[21:17:54] <Alberto> that is the first step
[21:18:03] <mrcoolbp> okay
[21:18:27] <Alberto> second this translator is better than google http://www.freetranslation.com
[21:18:28] <aqu4> Title for page "http://www.freetranslation.com/en": "3Free Translation and Professional Translation Services from SDL"
[21:18:51] <mrcoolbp> okay, but that IS an auto-translate
[21:18:57] <mrcoolbp> even if it's "better"
[21:19:08] <paulej72> yo hablo español un poco
[21:19:14] <Alberto> i know but can be used as a "helper" to translate the main news
[21:19:18] <mrcoolbp> would be nice to have for an option I suppose, but a good amount will be unreadable en espanol
[21:19:46] <mrcoolbp> Alberto: so it sounds like you are talking about crowd-sourcing the translation of every article (and comment?)
[21:19:51] <mrcoolbp> that would be a lot of work
[21:20:20] <Alberto> it will be 5 min * article
[21:20:23] <Alberto> or 10
[21:20:48] <mrcoolbp> yes, but we release 20 articles a day sometimes.
[21:21:07] <mrcoolbp> Another issue I see with melding the two is you would have spanish and english comments alongside eachoterh
[21:21:22] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, the nexus feature would allow us to have a spanish section of the site
[21:21:24] <Alberto> but if we have 1000 spanish users and we get the 1% to help..
[21:21:37] <NCommander> mrcoolbp, i.e. soylentnews.es, and that would load a different set of Nexuses vs. the English version
[21:21:44] <NCommander> Same code-base, same database, different content
[21:22:09] <Alberto> NCommander, or get an browser based env or based on your language and preference
[21:22:20] <Alberto> and show a message like "Content available on X language"
[21:22:25] <mrcoolbp> neato
[21:22:52] <mrcoolbp> Alberto: I think the biggest challenge would be capturing that userbase, and convincing them to do the translastion work
[21:23:08] <mrcoolbp> You are optimistic about how many may be willing to do that work I think
[21:23:14] <Alberto> "Collaborative News"
[21:23:15] <mrcoolbp> it would be a constant work
[21:23:24] <NCommander> Wed need a SPanish speaking editoral staff
[21:23:35] <Alberto> NCommander, no, you need marketing
[21:23:38] <Alberto> Look
[21:23:41] <Alberto> you have a GREAT base
[21:23:45] <Alberto> but 0 marketing
[21:23:49] <Alberto> and marketing MATTERS
[21:23:50] <Alberto> :p
[21:24:40] <Alberto> First, do plugins like the old days to load RSS content
[21:24:51] <Alberto> i.e blogs that loads latest news from Soylent
[21:25:38] <NCommander> We have that code
[21:26:27] <mrcoolbp> yeah we post everything to twitter and facebook automagically, we even had a facebook employee do some free ads for us
[21:26:32] <Alberto> i mean plugins for wordpress, drupal
[21:27:35] <NCommander> Ok, I think chillax is running on boron
[21:27:40] * NCommander mutters more swearwords
[21:29:02] <mrcoolbp> Ncommander: I don't think anyone is using chillax, we may need to burn-in-fire
[21:29:05] <mrcoolbp> = (
[21:30:42] * Alberto is moving to catch users for Soylent Spanish
[21:31:59] <Alberto> hey hey
[21:32:21] <Alberto> can we do a vhost for freenode?! :D so we can spam on join/rejoin on a legal way? :D
[21:32:44] <Alberto> read.my.news.at.soylentnews.org
[21:32:45] <Alberto> :p
[21:33:12] <mrcoolbp> Alberto: I haven't been on barrapunto lately, but this seems like a big project you are proposing
[21:33:45] <mrcoolbp> I'd love to expand to other languages eventually, spanish seems like a good start, I'm just not sure how much of our (limited) resources we should be spending on this right now
[21:34:13] <mrcoolbp> Alberto: if you want to spear-head this operation, once we get the funcionality setup, I don't see why not
[21:38:10] * mrcoolbp has to runoff for a bit
[21:46:29] <Alberto> i will spread the word
[21:46:48] <Alberto> https://www.meneame.net
[21:46:50] <aqu4> Title for page "https://www.meneame.net/": "3Menéame"
[21:46:53] <Alberto> This killed Barrapunto
[22:01:02] <NCommander> Alberto, if you can find a few people willing to be editors and manage SoylentNews en espaol, I'll move translation development stuff higher on the priority list
[22:01:13] <NCommander> Its still at least a good month of effort, Slashcode is massive and never handled this well.
[22:01:21] <Alberto> i'm just doing that
[22:01:52] <NCommander> Alberto, if your staff is bilingual, it would help, but its not a showstopper if it isn't as long as least one of them is :)
[22:07:29] <Alberto> can't find any network of irc related to Meneame
[22:07:31] <Alberto> dang
[22:08:43] <Alberto> NCommander, their users do the translation
[22:08:46] <Alberto> as i proposed
[22:08:47] <Alberto> look
[22:08:52] <Alberto> Source: http://www.wired.com
[22:08:52] <aqu4> Title for page "http://www.wired.com/2015/03/github-conquered-google-microsoft-everyone-else/": "3How GitHub Conquered Google, Microsoft, and Everyone Else | WIRED"
[22:09:04] <Alberto> Translation: https://www.meneame.net
[22:09:06] <aqu4> Title for page "https://www.meneame.net/m/tecnolog%C3%ADa/como-github-conquisto-google-microsoft-todos-demas": "3Cómo GitHub conquistó a Google, a Microsoft y a todos los demás"
[22:17:08] <NCommander> Alberto, I'm aware of that, but communication w/ the English based staff is important
[22:17:37] <Alberto> i know
[22:18:11] <Alberto> over the 90% of the tech spanish people know english
[22:18:16] <Alberto> so that won't be a problem
[22:18:17] <Alberto> :p