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[00:48:29] <crutchy> hi xlefay
[00:48:47] <crutchy> ubuntu is just the bastard child of debian :-P
[00:49:11] <xlefay> crutchy: haha
[00:49:40] <crutchy> though i don't mind it... i'd just prefer to go straight to the source, so to speak
[00:59:44] <crutchy> hey xlefay
[00:59:50] <crutchy> saw your lettery thing
[00:59:50] <xlefay> hey
[00:59:54] <xlefay> lettery thing?
[01:00:10] <crutchy> http://pastie.org
[01:00:13] <xlefay> wait, not the one with glitters, right?
[01:00:23] * xlefay sighs of relieve
[01:00:28] <crutchy> you had one with glitters!?
[01:00:36] <xlefay> ehm, so eh
[01:00:44] <crutchy> damn missed that one
[01:00:48] <crutchy> anyways
[01:00:48] <xlefay> hah
[01:01:00] <crutchy> what about the land downunder?
[01:01:02] <xlefay> The e-mail was related to a discussion in #staff earlier
[01:01:22] <xlefay> Did you see that discussion and 'downunder'?
[01:01:37] <crutchy> nah i have very selective vision
[01:01:44] <crutchy> i skim stuff
[01:02:57] <crutchy> i just thought maybe australia could be considered for a NFP
[01:03:21] <crutchy> we seem to be a bit more... er... stable... than a lot of other countries lately
[01:03:32] <xlefay> "downunder" = ??
[01:03:39] <xlefay> oh
[01:03:40] <xlefay> australia
[01:03:41] <crutchy> land down under = australia
[01:03:43] <crutchy> lol
[01:03:58] <crutchy> sorry just assumed everyone thought of us as the arse end of the world
[01:04:23] <xlefay> You should probably mention these things in staff
[01:04:39] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[01:05:39] <crutchy> nah just thought i'd throw it out there
[01:05:52] <crutchy> hmm good song though :-)
[01:06:01] <crutchy> haven't listened to men at work for a while
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[02:16:58] <Alberto> xlefay, didn't get the why or "facts"
[02:17:13] <xlefay> ?
[02:17:36] <Alberto> to me CentOS never failed at any task, and as Ubuntu is a fork of Debian i will prefer to use Debian because is the "base" and not just a fork from a rich bored guy :P
[02:18:02] <xlefay> It's not about failing a task or whatever
[02:18:27] <Alberto> still is a matter of taste
[02:18:37] <xlefay> CentOS works and it works well; it's just a pain in the ass long term now I'm comparing it to Ubuntu.
[02:18:47] <xlefay> Fairly sure, you'll come to the same conclusion if you were to compare the two. ;-)
[02:19:18] <Alberto> in what task for example?
[02:19:50] <xlefay> I've got little time but let's start with repos
[02:20:01] <xlefay> how often do the default CentOS repos got what you need?
[02:20:44] <Alberto> isn't the same with ppas?
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[02:21:41] <xlefay> PPA's are extra repos afaik
[02:21:47] <xlefay> I'm talking about the core/default repos
[02:21:57] <Alberto> well i always find what i need on default repos
[02:22:28] <xlefay> Really? I find that hard to believe
[02:22:41] <xlefay> but hey, if the defaults have everything you need, that's fine ;-)
[02:22:51] <Alberto> what you want and can't find?
[02:22:58] <Alberto> Also there is Fedora for example
[02:23:25] <xlefay> Fedora doesn't have the same repos as CentOS
[02:23:37] <xlefay> I'm talking about the defaultly enabled repos in CentOS, 'CentOS-base' for instance
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[02:24:52] <Alberto> you work at Ubuntu? :P
[02:25:06] <xlefay> no, not even close
[02:25:13] <xlefay> I've used CentOS as the default for my servers for years
[02:25:47] <xlefay> but since I've seen Ubuntu in action @ SN and the pleasures of using it, I'm definitely starting to change my mind.
[02:26:50] <xlefay> CentOS is like a rock that doesn't want to change, whereas Debian/Ubuntu gives you freedom to be as flexible as you like. There are pro's and con's on both sides, sure - but I prefer to save my time and efforts on doing things that are more important to me;-)
[02:28:50] <Alberto> Maybe is time to fork CentOS
[02:28:52] <Alberto> ;)
[02:29:05] <Alberto> BUT now CentOs is beting attention from Redhat again
[02:29:05] <xlefay> Alberto: funny thing is, I used to be the guy who said "You work for Ubuntu?" ;-)
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[02:33:17] <xlefay> Alberto: btw, Scientific Linux, etc... aren't those forks from RH or CentOS?
[02:33:30] <Alberto> http://linuxmafia.com
[02:33:33] <xlefay> (btw, CentOS is simply redhat without the support and brands, least.. last I checked)
[02:33:34] <Alberto> i was checking that right now
[02:33:39] <Alberto> yep
[02:34:47] <NCommander> xlefay, I work for Ubuntu :-P
[02:34:54] <NCommander> oh
[02:35:01] <xlefay> I know.. and be damned for having good arguments & proof!
[02:36:18] <Alberto> I coem from old school
[02:36:21] <NCommander> xlefay, Canonical == our marketing might be about the cloud, but we're not full of hot air
[02:36:25] <Alberto> i don't rly care about the distro itself
[02:36:32] <Alberto> i just want to know how it works
[02:36:37] <Alberto> no extras etcetera
[02:36:39] <NCommander> Alberto, honestly, grab slackware
[02:36:43] <Alberto> i did
[02:36:48] <xlefay> NCommander: he uses LFS too...............
[02:36:57] <NCommander> You poor man
[02:37:00] <Alberto> I meet Patrick
[02:37:03] <xlefay> He's the opposite of many sysadmins who just want to get things done
[02:37:03] <NCommander> Get slash working on LFS and I'll buy you a beer
[02:37:07] <Alberto> via email long time ago
[02:37:11] <Alberto> i open my Slackware
[02:37:17] <Alberto> and found an email inside with a greeting
[02:37:27] <Alberto> so i reply back and said "I don't like spam"
[02:37:37] <Alberto> and he replied back "this was not spam, is just an welcome email"
[02:37:38] <xlefay> Alberto = the living proof some sysadmins really do love to overcomplicate things and take the hard way, always
[02:38:08] <NCommander> xlefay, as someone who compiles their own BIOS for a living, thats taking it a bit far
[02:38:26] <Alberto> NCommander, xlefay does that?
[02:38:32] <Alberto> SHAME ON YOU!
[02:38:33] <xlefay> GOD NO
[02:38:46] <xlefay> NCommander: works on UEFI, right?
[02:38:49] <NCommander> Yeah
[02:38:49] <Alberto> i just like to know how
[02:38:53] <NCommander> That's fair
[02:38:58] <NCommander> Perfect justification to tinker
[02:39:02] <NCommander> I'd love to know how slash works
[02:39:07] <NCommander> We have the source
[02:39:10] <NCommander> but perl is a blackbox
[02:39:13] <Alberto> i did install slash
[02:39:19] <NCommander> quite possibly connected to a grenade
[02:39:19] * xlefay notes he was talking about production boxes earlier..................
[02:39:22] <Alberto> I must sat something
[02:39:24] <Alberto> first of all
[02:39:27] * NCommander notes we did put armor on slash
[02:39:30] <Alberto> I just "know"
[02:39:31] <xlefay> ^
[02:39:33] <NCommander> The question now is
[02:39:35] <Alberto> i never did truly learn anything
[02:39:39] <NCommander> Is it armor plating, or tissue paper
[02:39:40] <Alberto> i just know how it works
[02:39:45] <NCommander> Alberto, funny, neither did the original slash authors
[02:39:46] * NCommander ducks
[02:39:50] <xlefay> LOL
[02:39:51] <xlefay> !grab NCommander
[02:39:51] <Bender> Added quote 0
[02:39:59] <xlefay> LOL Bender's actually here
[02:40:05] <NCommander> That one isn't going to bite me in the ass when Taco shows up
[02:40:18] <xlefay> Well, it's actually true so w/e
[02:40:22] <arti> quotes unique to channel?
[02:40:26] <NCommander> yeah
[02:40:30] <Alberto> arti !
[02:40:30] * arti golf claps
[02:40:34] <NCommander> arti, *has a monopoly on #staff quotes*
[02:40:39] <xlefay> or rather, what's worse, NCommander at some point, it does seems like they know what they're doing but they're choosing not to take the right way
[02:40:49] <NCommander> 21<Bender>21 Quote 0 - <NCommander> mattie_p, I dunno, are you going to mail me an explosive device if I have you edit ANOTHER 3k novel?
[02:40:49] <NCommander> 18<Bender> Also in quotes: 2, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 15, 17, 18, 19, 21, 22, 23, 25, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 35, 37, 42, 43, 46, 52, 53, 54, 55, 58, 61, 62, 66
[02:40:51] <xlefay> based on comments, etc...
[02:40:53] <arti> nicely done, i'm sure we can sift through some gems
[02:41:05] <NCommander> arti, welll, our backend is managable at least
[02:41:12] <NCommander> Its still entirely single points of failure
[02:41:15] * arti is writing one for another project
[02:41:19] <xlefay> as long as you don't feed it too much slashes :/
[02:41:19] <Alberto> i must upgrade my brain
[02:41:19] <NCommander> But they are well documented points of failure
[02:41:23] <Alberto> and learn new stuff
[02:41:36] <NCommander> arti, you should see our varnish config
[02:41:41] <xlefay> ^ that one's neat tho
[02:41:45] <Alberto> i didn't like Ubuntu too much because i found it too "new" at Desktop
[02:41:45] * NCommander is pretty sure VCL is turning complete
[02:42:00] <Alberto> it changed all the desktop stuff
[02:42:00] <arti> what seems daunting is doing something like this: https://www.owasp.org
[02:42:02] <NCommander> Alberto, on Ubuntu v. Debian
[02:42:06] <NCommander> A lot is similiar
[02:42:13] <NCommander> But Ubuntu has enough awesomeness to make it distinct
[02:42:15] <xlefay> Alberto: I'm talking about the server version mostly and for production.
[02:42:18] <NCommander> AppArmor and UFW come to mind
[02:42:22] <NCommander> (though Debian has the former these days)
[02:42:33] <Alberto> xlefay, is unfair to compare a community distro
[02:42:38] <Alberto> vs a millonaire project
[02:42:48] <Alberto> if i had that much money i may do the same
[02:42:58] <xlefay> I don't see how money is relevant
[02:43:03] <NCommander> A lot of Ubuntu goes back to Debian
[02:43:07] <Alberto> thats the problem ! ;)
[02:43:17] <xlefay> I'm saying, I think Ubuntu is a better and more logical fit nowadays than CentOS for servers, etc.
[02:43:20] * NCommander forgets the percentage, but the merge reduction rate is something like 30-40 every cycle
[02:43:26] <NCommander> !grab xlefay
[02:43:26] <Bender> Added quote 1
[02:43:29] <NCommander> I'VE GOT PROOF
[02:43:47] <xlefay> Alberto: it's not about the money, it's about simplicity.
[02:44:12] <xlefay> I don't want to bang my head to the wall every time I need something and it's in most distro's repos but not centos's repos
[02:44:18] <xlefay> that's just one of the reasons
[02:44:30] <xlefay> anyway brb
[02:44:31] <xlefay> break time
[02:44:38] * arti waves
[02:44:51] <xlefay> NCommander: ;'-)
[02:44:57] <Alberto> run you Ubuntu lover!
[02:45:03] * Alberto hides
[02:45:09] <xlefay> .. Alberto,
[02:45:13] <Alberto> joking men
[02:45:15] <xlefay> I'm definitely starting to love Ubuntu yea ;-)
[02:45:25] * Alberto is using Ubuntu
[02:45:31] <Alberto> with VestaCP
[02:45:38] <xlefay> you also use Windows 7... :)
[02:45:43] <Alberto> orrrrrrrrrrrr
[02:45:48] <xlefay> There goes your right to vote!
[02:46:34] <Alberto> lolz
[02:47:39] <Alberto> xlefay, version me again
[02:48:00] <arti> ctcp hax?
[02:48:02] <xlefay> I know, that's easy to do with xchat and derivatives
[02:48:07] <xlefay> no, it's just two settings in xchat
[02:48:08] <Alberto> :P
[02:48:10] <xlefay> /ctcp version me
[02:48:23] <Alberto> hahaha
[02:48:32] <xlefay> I don't even see that you do it to me
[02:48:43] <xlefay> my BNC just handles it for me
[02:48:54] <Alberto> i'm using Znc
[02:48:55] <xlefay> same with time, etc..
[02:48:57] <xlefay> me too
[02:49:01] * arti 3
[02:49:01] <Alberto> is like a normal bnc but with new stuff
[02:49:05] <Alberto> i like it
[02:49:20] <xlefay> ZNC isn't that new though and it's features are a few years old too
[02:49:30] * Alberto is outdated
[02:49:31] <xlefay> it's a very modular one sure
[02:49:50] <xlefay> one of the pros is /msg *status detach #channel
[02:50:03] <xlefay> or /msg *notes
[02:50:14] <Alberto> There is a way to mount a stripped array of Windows 7 with NTFS on Ubuntu?
[02:50:30] <arti> windows 7 in a VM!
[02:50:33] <Alberto> I may give a try on Desktop
[02:50:44] <xlefay> Alberto: btw, I run korora locally
[02:50:44] <Alberto> but i just don't like Unity
[02:50:47] <Alberto> nor Gnome3
[02:50:56] <xlefay> it's based on Fedora, I'm not anti centos or so eh
[02:51:07] <xlefay> s/centos/redhat/
[02:51:18] <xlefay> <3's Gnome 2
[02:51:22] <xlefay> hates Gnome 3
[02:51:26] * xlefay moved to KDE, works fine
[02:52:39] <xlefay> I ran Ubuntu for the longest time on my desktop (that was from ubuntu 6.04 or so); then started distro hopping and now running korora for 3 months or so
[02:53:00] <arti> freebsd > suse > debian
[02:53:10] * NCommander dislikes GNOME 3
[02:53:13] <NCommander> Unity grew on me
[02:53:16] <xlefay> FreeBSD = awesome @ server
[02:53:18] * arti kicks dirt at it
[02:53:28] <xlefay> Used Suse on my laptop but meh...
[02:53:28] <arti> desktop it kcisk ass too
[02:53:45] <NCommander> xlefay, BTW, when we upgrade to 14.04
[02:53:49] <xlefay> Fairly sure it does
[02:53:52] * NCommander promises it will be essentially a non-event
[02:53:55] <NCommander> do-release-upgrade
[02:53:57] <NCommander> Wait 45 minutes
[02:54:00] <NCommander> reboot
[02:54:00] <NCommander> done
[02:54:04] <xlefay> 45 minutes?
[02:54:11] <NCommander> eh
[02:54:13] <NCommander> Probably 20
[02:54:19] <NCommander> linode has an internal mirror
[02:54:19] <xlefay> You insensitive clod, I've got an SSD plus a pretty damn good connection
[02:54:21] <xlefay> oh
[02:54:25] <xlefay> you were talking about linode
[02:54:29] <NCommander> yeah
[02:54:34] <NCommander> Upgrading the cluster
[02:54:41] * xlefay retracts the insensitive clod.... thing
[02:54:55] <xlefay> (I was going to say, all I need now is Ubuntu on my desktop but that too will be a non-event!)
[02:54:56] <Alberto> downloading korora-20-x86_64-kde-live.iso
[02:54:57] <NCommander> I've only had a few upgrades ever go south with Ubuntu, and I've done it a LOT
[02:55:11] <xlefay> no offense... but not gonna run it on my desktop :p
[02:55:17] <xlefay> Ubuntu's upgrades normally go well yea
[02:55:20] <xlefay> I can't wait to see it ;-)
[02:55:30] <NCommander> I'm probably going to regret saying that
[02:55:36] <xlefay> yea
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[02:56:11] <xlefay> That's how it generally goes yes; but hey... we can hope for the best ;-)
[02:57:49] <Alberto> Hey
[02:57:55] <Alberto> Whats the next big change on Ubuntu
[02:57:59] <Alberto> for the next version
[02:58:01] <Alberto> tell is NCommander
[02:58:39] <NCommander> Alberto, mir- oh wait, we delayed that
[02:58:41] * NCommander ducks
[02:59:11] <Alberto> didn't they removed that crap?
[02:59:12] <Alberto> o.O
[02:59:21] <Alberto> or was the systemd thing?
[02:59:30] <xlefay> "crap", why?
[02:59:50] <xlefay> (no, not entirely over to the ubuntu boat, just want to know why you're referring to it as crap)
[03:00:09] <xlefay> I've noticed that most of Ubuntu's bad publicity isn't all deserved
[03:01:26] <MrBluze> ubuntu's only real mistake was going brown
[03:01:40] <MrBluze> but otherwise i've been using mostly ubuntu desktops for anything that has to work and i dont want to maintain
[03:01:40] <xlefay> I think the real mistake was going Purple.
[03:01:44] <Alberto> Well they dropped their boot system for systemd now right?
[03:01:49] <xlefay> The orange I could understand, Purple................... meh
[03:02:07] <MrBluze> purple .. yeah whatever i dont like it either
[03:02:10] <Alberto> i just don't like to see them wasting time and resources on Mir just to throw it later
[03:02:28] <MrBluze> and maybe the unity desktop is a bit half-baked
[03:02:42] <MrBluze> u cant really use it with a touch screen.. there are no hot spots
[03:03:15] <paulej72> NCommander: juggs is in #soylent and is having login issues after a session timeout.
[03:03:16] <xlefay> I'll say one thing about Unity though, older people don't have a hard time using it
[03:03:20] * MrBluze screams.. they should have asked ME .. i could have designed a user interface for them!
[03:04:07] <xlefay> In fairness, designing an UI isn't simple, but I'm *fairly* sure Cannonical did some research before doing so
[03:04:07] <Alberto> i can't get my touch screen working properly
[03:04:20] <Alberto> but funny thing is a livecd of fedora has my touch screen working fine
[03:04:28] <Alberto> anyway
[03:04:34] <MrBluze> yeah i know.. im being harsh
[03:04:51] <MrBluze> well nothing works as nicely on a touch screen as android
[03:04:54] <MrBluze> not even ios
[03:05:22] <arti> back
[03:05:22] <MrBluze> u just flick the finger here or there and it all works as advertised without missing a frame
[03:05:27] <MrBluze> wb arti
[03:05:37] <arti> i rocked freebsd on the desktop, too
[03:05:53] <arti> had the tv tuner working, it was pretty sweet
[03:06:14] * arti is evaluating it again with the systemd madness
[03:06:32] <arti> apt has ruined me for ease of maintenance
[03:06:40] <arti> evening, MrBluze
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[03:07:31] <Alberto> arti because is automated?
[03:07:32] <arti> ios6 on ipad was pretty awesome
[03:07:50] <arti> Alberto: freebsd is a rolling release with the ports
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[03:08:00] <MrBluze> using icons as menus is clever in ios
[03:08:22] <arti> ios is pretty cool, it's an appliance to me
[03:08:23] <Alberto> arti i never tried to use FreeBSD for desktop
[03:08:32] <Alberto> how is the driver part at FreeBSD?
[03:08:36] <MrBluze> when we reskin the SN site (one we know what its name is going to be forever) i want it all very finger-friendly
[03:08:40] <Alberto> PCDBSD is nice...
[03:08:54] <arti> its not linux, but some things just work nicely
[03:08:56] <NCommander> root@hydrogen:/etc# id mcasadevall
[03:08:56] <NCommander> uid=2500(mcasadevall) gid=2501(sysops) groups=2501(sysops),2500(firefighters),2502(db),2503(dev_team)
[03:08:58] <NCommander> yay
[03:10:28] <arti> pcbsd is neat
[03:11:25] <arti> my mini project has been trying to get everything into jails, including x.org which has been a pita
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[03:11:58] <xlefay> arti: yeah, that's going to be hard
[03:12:02] <xlefay> but it shouldn't be impossible
[03:17:52] <Alberto> Damn you Gnome Team
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[03:34:24] <Alberto> Any recommendation on Anti Spam software?
[03:34:29] <NCommander> Alberto, spamassassin
[03:34:35] <arti> since the times of yore
[03:34:38] <NCommander> Does pretty much what it says on the tin
[03:34:46] <arti> now with less filler!
[03:34:50] <Alberto> the RBL part is an issue
[03:34:50] <NCommander> :-)
[03:34:57] <Alberto> most of mexico is on greylisting
[03:34:57] <NCommander> I remember setting up spamassassin with sendmail
[03:35:00] * NCommander twiches
[03:35:00] <Alberto> lot of problems
[03:35:11] <arti> meh sendmail
[03:35:15] <Alberto> what's sendmail? cof cof
[03:35:15] <arti> exim?
[03:35:19] <Alberto> exim!
[03:35:26] <arti> that was the last one i struggled with
[03:35:35] <Alberto> i use exim
[03:35:40] * arti refrains from managing his own mail infrastructure now
[03:35:56] * NCommander likes postfix
[03:36:00] <Alberto> I plan to Dovecot + Exim + SpamAssasin + ClamAV
[03:36:03] <NCommander> I do wish Peagaus Mail would get aLinux port
[03:37:29] <Alberto> Thunderbird?
[03:38:26] <NCommander> Alberto, thats what I use now
[03:38:29] * NCommander used to alpine for awhile
[03:40:00] <Alberto> i used Sylpheed for many years after Evolution
[03:40:39] <Alberto> then moved to Claws Mail
[03:41:07] <Alberto> my blog is 12 years old}
[03:41:16] <Alberto> i got over 23 GB in emails just in 1 account
[03:41:23] <Alberto> 70 GB all of them :P
[03:41:28] * Alberto has like 13 emails
[03:41:38] <Alberto> and Thunderbird had issues with that amount of emails
[03:41:45] <Alberto> but Claws opens fast
[03:42:01] <Alberto> i remember when it was mbox only, my email exploded time to time
[03:47:38] <arti> that's a lot of email
[03:48:57] * Alberto downloading kubuntu-14.04-beta1-desktop-amd64.iso
[03:50:58] <Alberto> well i been subscribed to a lot of mailing list
[03:51:14] <Alberto> already deleted most of my subs
[03:52:07] <Alberto> started to use email daily 27/05/2002
[03:58:49] <MrBluze> kubuntu is good
[03:58:57] * MrBluze is using it
[03:59:00] <xlefay> kubuntu sucks tbh
[03:59:10] <xlefay> compared to korora or mint's kde
[03:59:11] <MrBluze> its more usable than ubuntu
[03:59:17] <MrBluze> oh, yes true
[03:59:47] <MrBluze> but still i find i can get nothing useful done on ubuntu
[03:59:55] <MrBluze> gnome 3 is still atrocious
[04:00:03] <crutchy> hi mrbluze
[04:00:08] <crutchy> hi xlefay
[04:00:09] <MrBluze> hey crutchy
[04:00:18] <crutchy> i hhhhhhhate shopping
[04:00:28] * MrBluze was shopping.. for a house
[04:00:41] <crutchy> oh i hate that even more you poor bugger
[04:00:47] <MrBluze> its not so bad
[04:00:55] <MrBluze> the thought of not having to rent anymore is good
[04:01:36] <crutchy> i only had the misfortune of doing that once. awesome on settlement day
[04:01:56] <crutchy> crap beforehand, including finding out all the hidden costs they don't tell you about
[04:02:01] <MrBluze> yeah true
[04:02:10] <MrBluze> its about $10k hidden costs
[04:02:14] <MrBluze> or more if it's expensive
[04:02:58] <crutchy> i budgeted for a lot of that (conservative) but things like paying for the bank's lawyers
[04:03:20] <crutchy> i mean conveyancor
[04:03:23] <crutchy> or whatever they call it
[04:04:02] <crutchy> paying insurance on the house before settlement
[04:04:14] <crutchy> seems dodgy but that's how its done i guess
[04:05:07] <Alberto> xlefay, what about ATI Crossfire on Korora?
[04:05:12] <MrBluze> conveyancing cost me $400 last time
[04:05:15] <Alberto> no issues at drivers and etcetera?
[04:05:17] <xlefay> no clue
[04:05:29] <MrBluze> yeah u have to insure until settlement true
[04:05:32] <Alberto> what i did like at Ubuntu is the driver support
[04:05:48] <MrBluze> actually
[04:05:53] * MrBluze goes off and downloads korora .. 1 sec
[04:07:22] <MrBluze> kde korora? which is best
[04:09:13] <xlefay> korora = awesome tbh
[04:09:18] <MrBluze> argh.. it makes me download it from dice holdings
[04:09:22] * MrBluze vomits quietly in the corner
[04:09:26] <xlefay> So far, it's one of the few desktop linux's that I've used more than 3 months
[04:11:19] <arti> HAHAH
[04:14:25] <crutchy> gnome2 ftw
[04:14:37] <crutchy> debian++
[04:14:37] <Bender> karma - debian: 1
[04:16:26] <Alberto> debian--
[04:16:26] <Bender> karma - debian: 0
[04:16:27] <Alberto> :p
[04:16:43] <MrBluze> i always go back to debian
[04:16:50] <Alberto> xlefay, whats the most prominent feature on Korora?
[04:16:52] <MrBluze> but i will try korora
[04:16:58] * Alberto checking docs to see reports on Korora
[04:16:58] <crutchy> what was that porno distrihbution someone came up with?
[04:17:13] <MrBluze> pornix?
[04:17:27] <crutchy> linuxxx
[04:17:42] <crutchy> there was a good one for debian though
[04:17:48] <crutchy> something about deb and ian
[04:18:15] <chromas> Den-Ian Does Dallas
[04:18:15] <MrBluze> deblovesian
[04:18:15] <crutchy> korora not in debian repos :-(
[04:18:23] <xlefay> korora = a distro
[04:18:27] <crutchy> it mustn't exist then :-P
[04:18:28] <xlefay> Alberto: "it just works" well
[04:18:32] <crutchy> lol ahh
[04:18:47] <MrBluze> all linuxes just work, until u break something
[04:19:11] <MrBluze> brb
[04:19:13] <arti> what's awesome about linux is
[04:19:18] <xlefay> I did say "works well"
[04:19:18] <Alberto> If you want to try stuff just VM the app and done
[04:19:23] <arti> "i don't think you should do that, i won't allow it" <- windows
[04:19:23] <crutchy> not so bad if i break something... i get pissed off when i don't do anything and everything turns to shit
[04:19:30] <arti> "i don't think you should do that, but okay" <- linux
[04:19:38] <crutchy> i'm sorry dave
[04:19:48] <crutchy> microsoft should so use that ^
[04:19:56] <Alberto> i like that of linux
[04:20:02] <arti> you can totally, awesomely shoot yourself in the foot
[04:20:23] <arti> with great power comes great responsibility, and also sweet tricks
[04:21:10] <crutchy> does korora use compiz?
[04:22:33] <crutchy> is it kororaa or korora?
[04:23:05] * arti imagines some japanese guy yelling it
[04:23:15] <crutchy> http://upload.wikimedia.org puts it in the gentoo tree, but http://en.wikipedia.org says fedora
[04:23:18] <arti> no no, it's CORAL!
[04:23:42] * crutchy uses Globora
[04:24:17] <crutchy> with the p'oop wm
[04:24:25] <crutchy> :-D
[04:24:33] <arti> g'oop!
[04:24:37] <arti> king g'oopa
[04:24:50] <crutchy> g'oop is the kde equiv
[04:25:03] <crutchy> ooh actually i think g'oop must be gnimish
[04:25:15] <arti> gnumish
[04:25:38] <Alberto> Remember Corel Linux?
[04:25:40] <Alberto> i used that
[04:25:41] <Alberto> lol
[04:25:43] <Alberto> long time ago
[04:25:55] <crutchy> p'oop must be unity
[04:25:58] <crutchy> :-P
[04:26:25] <Alberto> gnome3--
[04:26:25] <Bender> karma - gnome3: -1
[04:26:26] <Alberto> gnome3--
[04:26:26] <Bender> karma - gnome3: -2
[04:26:27] <Alberto> gnome3--
[04:26:27] <Bender> karma - gnome3: -3
[04:26:28] <Alberto> gnome3--
[04:26:28] <Bender> karma - gnome3: -4
[04:26:30] <Alberto> gnome3--
[04:26:30] <Bender> karma - gnome3: -5
[04:26:49] <Alberto> 49 minutes to KDE and Korora
[04:26:55] <arti> Gnome3, "We'll beat kde at fail!"
[04:27:05] <crutchy> i remeber getting corel linux with a magazine
[04:27:09] * xlefay notes he isn't following 99% of this entire convo
[04:27:14] <xlefay> so if I'm missing stuff, sorry
[04:27:31] <crutchy> you can do what i do xlefay... just skim
[04:27:42] <crutchy> i have no idea what's going on most of the time
[04:27:46] <xlefay> :P
[04:28:32] <chromas> Bacon ++ <-- just do that and nobody notices
[04:28:40] <chromas> bacon++ oops
[04:28:40] <Bender> karma - bacon: 1
[04:28:47] <crutchy> i look down the chat and see something like "p'oop" and think ooh that's cool -> p'oop++
[04:29:01] <crutchy> hmm
[04:29:03] <crutchy> p'oop++
[04:29:08] <crutchy> doh!
[04:29:33] <xlefay> d'oh!
[04:30:02] <crutchy> this is all critical developery shtuff
[04:30:10] <crutchy> just realised where i was
[04:30:29] <arti> g'oop - australian for globals.
[04:31:02] <crutchy> lol maybe... had better dumb it down a bit more though
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[04:31:19] <crutchy> you're talking too quick :-P
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[04:32:31] <crutchy> g'day is overrated now, so g'oop sounds good
[04:33:20] <crutchy> nothin much goin on in #derp
[04:33:43] <Alberto> i don't lie peanut so i leave
[04:33:45] <Alberto> :D
[04:33:47] <Alberto> bacon++
[04:33:47] <Bender> karma - bacon: 2
[04:34:03] <crutchy> haha i never even saw that
[04:34:15] <Alberto> like*
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[04:37:17] <Alberto> this znc can't connect to another network dunno why
[04:37:42] <xlefay> heh...
[04:37:46] <xlefay> you've got a weird ZNC then
[04:38:30] <Alberto> i added freenode then /msg *controlpanel Reconnect bet0x Freenode
[04:38:39] <Alberto> and added the channel and nothing happens
[04:40:11] <xlefay> hmm, normally when using multi network, you connect a second time to ZNC with different stuff
[04:40:17] <xlefay> it's all in the znc webpanel
[04:40:33] <xlefay> e.g.
[04:40:35] <xlefay> "To connect to this network from your IRC client, you can set the server password field as follows: xlefay/SN:<password> or username field as xlefay/SN"
[04:43:59] <Alberto> well i'm connected to freenode
[04:44:04] <Alberto> but can't see the window here
[04:44:54] <xlefay> So you opened a second connection in your IRC client and did: /server server port username/NETNAME:password
[04:44:56] <xlefay> ?
[04:45:55] <Alberto> love you
[04:46:21] <Alberto> so i must connect like that (2 connects) on separated windows when i want to get in that 2 networks
[04:49:04] <xlefay> Yes, that's how it generally works
[04:49:12] <xlefay> just like the documentation works!
[04:49:17] <xlefay> s/works/says/
[04:49:40] * Alberto is in lazy mode
[04:57:55] <Alberto> xlefay, when we start? :D
[04:58:05] <xlefay> Alberto: can't right now
[04:58:06] * Alberto (moved the talk to dev channel)
[04:58:13] <Alberto> sources aren't public?
[04:58:17] <Alberto> from the bot i mean
[04:58:28] <Alberto> if they are we don't need you! =P
[04:58:42] * Alberto adds crutchy to the project
[04:59:19] <Alberto> 22 mins for Korora
[04:59:25] * Alberto has is usb stick ready
[05:01:30] <xlefay> I can't right now but I will soon publish information on the wiki, I'll link you to if you like when it's up?
[05:03:23] <Alberto> xlefay, want my email? it may be faster
[05:03:41] <xlefay> Nah, I would prefer just to send you a PM on IRC
[05:03:59] <Alberto> ok
[05:04:39] * xlefay commences plan to keep Alberto on IRC infinitely waiting
[05:04:53] <xlefay> nah you'll get the link to the wiki page as soon as I've wrote it, should be soon now
[05:05:16] <xlefay> First gotta continue doing some infra stuff
[05:06:27] <crutchy> hi alberto... what project?
[05:09:27] <Alberto> the quote's frontend
[05:09:42] <xlefay> I'm not planning on building a frontend inititally eh
[05:09:45] <Alberto> i will modifty my perl bot to send me an email on "private message" event
[05:09:59] <Alberto> xlefay, but if you do an api we can do that part right?
[05:10:11] * Alberto wants to do something
[05:11:41] <xlefay> yea
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[05:40:28] * Alberto is burning Korora KDE
[05:52:35] * MrBluze is still downloading it
[05:52:38] <MrBluze> then i install in a vm
[05:52:52] <arti> mess with the best, die like the rest
[05:53:48] <xlefay> !grab arti
[05:53:49] <Bender> Added quote 2
[05:53:50] <xlefay> hackers!
[05:53:58] <arti> xlefay++
[05:53:58] <Bender> karma - xlefay: 1
[05:54:06] <arti> HACK THE PLANET!
[05:54:14] <arti> i need to watch that again
[05:55:31] <Alberto> done
[05:55:48] <Alberto> now you can send me a message to my email box using my personal bot at #SoyLent-ES
[05:55:51] <Alberto> :)
[06:00:22] <Alberto> xlefay, got Korora on USB, rebooting now brb
[06:00:35] <xlefay> OK, just a heads up: it'll wreck your harddisk and all
[06:00:59] <arti> sweet
[06:13:13] <crutchy> if you had windows on your hdd you mightwreck it better
[06:13:29] <crutchy> invader zim style
[06:14:22] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[06:16:10] <crutchy> https://www.youtube.com
[06:16:19] <crutchy> sorry... i just love gir :-P
[06:16:24] <chromas> But, Invader's blood marches through my veins! Like giant radioactive rubber pants! The pants command me. Do not ignore my veins!!
[06:16:36] <arti> the riddle of steel
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[06:30:50] <Alberto> Linux localhost.localdomain 3.12.6-300.fc20.x86_64 #1 SMP Mon Dec 23 16:44:31 UTC 2013 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[06:30:55] <Alberto> :)
[06:31:20] <Alberto> now need drivers for video and see how to change screen resolution this 1024 suckz
[06:31:25] <xlefay> It didn't wreck your harddrive?
[06:31:36] * MrBluze is sure it will run without problems in a vm
[06:32:01] <arti> > Hard drive successfully dodges Wreck
[06:32:10] <Alberto> xlefay, no, why?
[06:32:17] <Alberto> just the installer failed 2 times
[06:32:29] <Alberto> til i figured how to install it without video support
[06:32:30] <Alberto> :p
[06:32:34] <Alberto> VESA rocks!
[06:32:47] <xlefay> Alberto: rofl, I was jokin'
[06:34:22] <MrBluze> is there a linux that will give a GUI on my hercules card?
[06:34:23] <Alberto> it was fast
[06:34:33] * MrBluze remembers booting redhat on it
[06:34:50] <Alberto> MrBluze, DMSL
[06:34:55] <Cyprus> slackware? =P
[06:35:00] <arti> good ol redhat
[06:35:01] <MrBluze> damn small linux?
[06:35:04] <arti> popped my linux cherry with that
[06:35:11] <Cyprus> oh ancient redhat, didnt think of that
[06:35:14] <MrBluze> same here arti
[06:35:18] <arti> good times man
[06:35:32] <arti> jumped over to freebsd after that, for many moons
[06:35:34] <Alberto> xlefay, its fast
[06:35:38] <MrBluze> yeah.. 4 terminals .. on 640kb ram
[06:35:44] <Alberto> booted in 3 seconds to desktop
[06:35:55] <xlefay> 3 seconds?!
[06:35:58] <xlefay> maaan
[06:36:08] <xlefay> faster then here :(
[06:36:11] <Alberto> SSD and 32 GB of Ram, Intel 3820K
[06:36:20] <MrBluze> with a 384kb virtual drive
[06:36:22] <xlefay> I've got my SSD in my laptop, but laptop specs are terrible :<
[06:36:36] * Alberto will VM all from now
[06:36:38] * MrBluze got a 1tb ssd in his laptop ;)
[06:36:38] <Alberto> love this
[06:36:43] <Alberto> they have Claws Mail on they repo
[06:36:46] <Alberto> no more compiling
[06:36:50] <xlefay> My desktop (now acting as htpc), amd fx8120, 16GB ram, etc.
[06:36:51] <Alberto> xlefay++
[06:36:51] <Bender> karma - xlefay: 2
[06:37:15] <xlefay> (it also acts as a nas, video converter, etc..) >= 10 TB diskspace at this point
[06:37:54] <Alberto> need to see how to fix the video part
[06:38:21] <Alberto> many users had issues during install with ATI cards so i may figure how to fix that
[06:38:57] <xlefay> hah ;-)
[06:39:09] * xlefay throws a hammer at Alberto
[06:39:11] <Alberto> :)
[06:39:16] <Alberto> why? :P
[06:39:17] <xlefay> why not just use the built in IRC client? ;-)
[06:39:31] <Alberto> cuz i have my own plugins here
[06:39:32] <xlefay> also on Linux XChat == free to use
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[06:39:50] <Alberto> and i'm making new ones
[06:39:56] <xlefay> HexChat has more over XChat on Linux?
[06:40:06] <Alberto> no idea
[06:40:15] <xlefay> ah k
[06:40:28] * arti o.o
[06:40:36] <arti> there is a shortage of irc clients on *nix?
[06:40:39] <xlefay> Sorry about that hammer
[06:40:43] <xlefay> arti: no
[06:40:58] <Alberto> but when Xchat started to ask money for the windows version did bnuy a license at first then moved to hex.
[06:41:09] <Alberto> because the developer stop adding cool stuff
[06:41:13] <arti> lol
[06:41:19] <arti> "mmmmnope."
[06:41:25] <arti> what a faggot
[06:41:43] <arti> you should tell him his product sucks and then personally attack him
[06:42:07] <arti> my reasoned arguments should compel you to see it my way
[06:42:53] <xlefay> In all fairness, it probably costed him more time to do the stuff on Windows
[06:43:03] <arti> its just typing!
[06:43:12] <xlefay> AND USING WINDOWS
[06:43:13] <xlefay> !!
[06:43:15] <xlefay> :P
[06:43:27] <xlefay> Hazard money
[06:43:30] <arti> like windows is the hard part
[06:43:35] <arti> try supporting multiple linux distributions
[06:43:40] <arti> android was such a pain in the ass
[06:43:46] <xlefay> android still is
[06:43:51] <arti> i only entertain ios for development
[06:44:05] <arti> besides the webstuff
[06:44:08] * arti prefers web
[06:44:29] <arti> right now the current thorn in my side is view port manipulation
[06:44:36] <arti> god damn it. been stuck since thursday
[06:44:51] * arti equips another beer
[06:45:51] <Alberto> Let the show begins!
[06:46:01] <Alberto> can't compile ati, DKMS failed
[06:46:13] * arti shares http://quassel-irc.org
[06:46:31] <arti> ati, good for bitcoins, bad for you
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[06:50:13] <FoobarBazbot> I use that - only hildonized client i know for n800
[07:07:01] <Alberto> Great
[07:07:05] <Alberto> Driver support done
[07:07:08] <Alberto> :D
[07:07:14] <Alberto> Crossfire working
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[07:34:00] <Alberto> now i need to fix Skype and the damn pulseaudio issue
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[08:02:04] <Alberto> fixed opengl issue damn
[08:18:43] <crutchy> chippies yumm
[08:18:55] <crutchy> i mean
[08:19:23] <crutchy> dev dev dev programmy technical hello world foo(bar) goto global
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