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[00:21:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Plum Pickings: Ancient Fruit Ripe for Modern Plates - 105 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:21:46] <exec> 08└─Notice it's aussie native - criminality is in its dna. Chances are, it will kill you, one way or another.
[00:21:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Spam) 02 - 06Plum Pickings: Ancient Fruit Ripe for Modern Plates - 321 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:21:47] <exec> 08└─That's right, Boomers. I looted your pharmacy, and the next day your pharmacy was closed and boarded. You don't get a fucking pharmacy anymore, and you don't get to buy your fucking Boomer viagra anymore, because I fucking looted your fucking Boomer pharmacy. Fuck you, Boomers. Fuck you all to hell....
[00:21:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Plum Pickings: Ancient Fruit Ripe for Modern Plates - 168 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:21:49] <exec> 08└─Rest assured that by the time it makes it to supermarkets all the nutrition and flavor will have been bred out in favor of being more durable, disease resistant, etc...
[00:21:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Plum Pickings: Ancient Fruit Ripe for Modern Plates - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:21:51] <exec> 08└─You can take aussie out of ausiieland, but you cannot take the criminal out of aussie, so rest assured that it will maintain its full criminal flavor.
[00:22:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03petecox [3228] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Researchers Control Cattle Microbiomes to Reduce Methane and Greenhouse Gases - 510 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:22:14] <exec> 08└─The next step, surely, is to trial new species of pasture that enhance the cow's microbiome (c.f. the seaweed experiment). [Aside: on a personal note, some of you may have noticed I myself may have been a little more gassy. With help from family and neighbours, I'm eating my way thru my inaugural Je...
[00:22:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Mykl [1112] (Score: 2) 02 - 06White Hat Demonstrates Apple's (Lack of) Security Prowess - 360 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:22:54] <exec> 08└─Google have one real source of revenue - Advertising Facebook have one real source of revenue - Advertising Apple sells products and services - they don't really need advertising revenue. That makes the lure of selling users' data much less attractive. Not saying that it rules it out - just that the...
[00:23:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 546 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:23:38] <exec> 08└─I was using the chipset of this board (it was called "PT" chip, from the manufacturer's initials) and it is quite well designed and can be well used... ...if you can do a fast I/O. In my embedded system - great. In Windows 9x - great. In all other systems - its performance and CPU usage limits to wa...
[00:23:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 255 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:23:40] <exec> 08└─but I get nostalgic for software packages sold in a biggish cardboard box containing full printed documentation/thick manual(s). Even if it contains only a single floppy disk, it feels like you are paying your good money for something with some substance.
[00:25:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06US Court Grants Permission to Recover Marconi Telegraph from Titanic's Wreckage [Updated] - 1651 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:25:07] <exec> 08└─I'm not OP, but that person has a point legally. Yes, it is permissible to use an EXCERPT and has been long before the internet through Fair Use doctrine. However, I looked at the "summary" here (which is about 6 paragraphs) and then back at the original article (which is 17 paragraphs). Reproducing...
[00:25:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03martyb [76] (Score: 2) 02 - 06US Court Grants Permission to Recover Marconi Telegraph from Titanic's Wreckage [Updated] - 185 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:25:09] <exec> 08└─TFS already mentions that more than 5,000 artifacts have been salvaged from the wreck. Ongoing controversy notwithstanding, it seems to me that they have about 5,000 items of precedent.
[00:26:25] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03corey [2202] 02 - 06Instant Ice Cream Patented - 150 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:26:25] <exec> 08└─I was thinking that refrigerator manufacturers could integrate this into fridge designs, next to the ice maker and water tap on the front of the door.
[00:27:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03PartTimeZombie [4827] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Renewable Energy Sources Surpassed Coal in the U.S. in 2019 - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:27:46] <exec> 08└─Oh, right. Those notorious communists the International Monetary Fund, is what I should have put then.
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[01:21:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Touché) 02 - 06Plum Pickings: Ancient Fruit Ripe for Modern Plates - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:21:51] <exec> 08└─Did the Viagra make you taller?
[01:21:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Plum Pickings: Ancient Fruit Ripe for Modern Plates - 133 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:21:52] <exec> 08└─Hey, if it can grow in Australia, it will probably grow anywhere. A plum tree in every backyard, that's my new presidential platform!
[01:21:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Plum Pickings: Ancient Fruit Ripe for Modern Plates - 75 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:21:54] <exec> 08└─The criminals were much more recently introduced, and all imported from UK.
[01:22:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03PartTimeZombie [4827] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Christo, the Artist Who Wrapped the World, Dies at 84 - 271 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:22:06] <exec> 08└─I liked the island too. A good friend of mine was living in Berlin when he wrapped the Reichstag, and he said lots of locals came for a look, but no-one stayed for long because it just wasn't that interesting once you got past the "he wrapped that building in foil" bit.
[01:22:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Christo, the Artist Who Wrapped the World, Dies at 84 - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:22:08] <exec> 08└─for Christo. Great artist, even better Smucker-owned all-vegetable shortening brand.
[01:22:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Christo, the Artist Who Wrapped the World, Dies at 84 - 6 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:22:10] <exec> 08└─-nomsg
[01:22:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Pav [114] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Researchers Control Cattle Microbiomes to Reduce Methane and Greenhouse Gases - 302 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:22:25] <exec> 08└─If cattle and camels drink at the same water troughs apparently they swap rumen bacteria which allows the cattle to produce less methane, and also get more nutrition from harder to digest plants [abc.net.au]. I guess they're experimenting with more radically and permanently modifying cattle gut flor...
[01:23:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score: 2) 02 - 06White Hat Demonstrates Apple's (Lack of) Security Prowess - 301 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:23:06] <exec> 08└─You seem to forget a basic rule of corporate America: There's no such thing as "enough" income. If they can do some horrible thing and raise their profits by 0.05% next quarter, that's exactly what they'll do, because some VP somewhere will get rewarded handsomely for those unexpectedly high numbers...
[01:23:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Informative) 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 885 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:23:52] <exec> 08└─The XOR encrypted code was to detect if, what would become windows 3.11, was running on DR DOS (the Microsoft evil code was discovered before general release). If DR DOS was detected, the encrypted code would display bogus error messages to scare the user away from running non MS DOS (DR DOS was sup...
[01:23:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03RS3 [6367] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 390 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:23:54] <exec> 08└─Wow, thanks for all of that- fills in some gaps in what I knew at the time. I was never fully invested in IT at the time. Besides tinkering at home, it was usually some percentage of whatever job I had at the time. I don't think I ever had DeskviewX, but I ran desqview sometimes, and Windows 3.11 on...
[01:24:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03RandomFactor [3682] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Check Point Unmasks Hacktivist Who Defaced Nearly 5000 Sites - 211 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:24:10] <exec> 08└─if you like to brag. Many hackers seem to want to make sure they can be exclusively credited with all their works someday when their name is exalted up there with the likes of Robert Morris and Kevin Mitnick.
[01:25:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06US Court Grants Permission to Recover Marconi Telegraph from Titanic's Wreckage [Updated] - 58 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:25:27] <exec> 08└─Sometimes one is responding to the previous post, not TFA.
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[02:21:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Rosco P. Coltrane [4757] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 57 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:21:50] <exec> 08└─when the internet goes down, is all that (should) matter.
[02:21:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Hauke [5186] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 228 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:21:51] <exec> 08└─Why not other options in this discussion? LibreOffice [libreoffice.org] and OpenOffice [openoffice.org]? I'd love to to hear the discussion regarding Editing, Formatting and Collaboration include all four (if not more). Cheers!
[02:21:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 36 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:21:54] <exec> 08└─Bank Street Writer is where it's at.
[02:21:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Spam) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 544 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:21:56] <exec> 08└─Boomers forced everyone to stay home at gunpoint to give Boomers a safe space. Boomers forced every business to close at gunpoint to give Boomers a safe space. Boomers forced everyone to wear face masks at gunpoint to give Boomers a safe space. Boomers caused the worst economic depression in history...
[02:21:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Rosco P. Coltrane [4757] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 43 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:21:58] <exec> 08└─So, who do you have a beef against exactly?
[02:22:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Offtopic) 02 - 06Plum Pickings: Ancient Fruit Ripe for Modern Plates - 88 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:22:13] <exec> 08└─If you want a vision of the future, imagine a Boomer knee crushing a human neck forever.
[02:23:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03zeigerpuppy [1298] (Score: 2) 02 - 06White Hat Demonstrates Apple's (Lack of) Security Prowess - 652 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:23:24] <exec> 08└─Single sign on is a complex problem by nature but there are some really good open source solutions. SimpleSAMLphp implements the SAML protocol and is fairly easy to set up Gitlab (self hosted) also includes and OAuth backend, which is also easy to set up https://docs.gitlab.com
[02:23:40] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Rosco P. Coltrane [4757] 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 302 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:23:40] <exec> 08└─One of my first job was maintainer of the DRDOS kernel at Digital Research. We had to support NetWare. It was a great product, but a bit of a headache to accommodate it's dirty tricks in the DOS kernel. Then again, every product that used undocumented kernel structures was also... Takes me back too....
[02:23:41] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Arik [4543] 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 3882 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:23:42] <exec> 08└─"What this meant in practice is that NetWare had best the performance possible from a 32-bit processor combined with the stability and reliability of Windows 3.1." This was not my experience at all. I supported Netware 3 and 4 for several years at a couple of different institutions, and found it FAR...
[02:24:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03NickM [2867] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 257 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:24:13] <exec> 08└─A thing that I did to login.exe when I was bored was to open it for exclusive read ( int 0x21 ah=0x3d,al=0x10, ds:Dx=filenamePtr, but my memory is fuzzy on the al flag) and watch the teachers and sysadmin panic as no one could logon.... Fun innocent times !
[02:24:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Reziac [2489] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 225 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:24:14] <exec> 08└─Friend who'd had her AOL account hacked hit on a clever way of preventing a recurrance: she used a backspace as part of her username. Yes, it was actually accepted and worked. Kinda in the same realm of hiding in plain sight.
[02:25:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03martyb [76] (Score: 2) 02 - 06US Court Grants Permission to Recover Marconi Telegraph from Titanic's Wreckage [Updated] - 2133 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:25:48] <exec> 08└─Yes, I am mindful of "fair use" restrictions when working on a story. As are all the editors. As you said, there is no clear line as to how much one is permitted to use. It is a battle I wage every time I edit a submission. (Background: an editor takes a story from the submissions queue, edits it a...
[02:27:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03anubi [2828] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Instant Ice Cream Patented - 715 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:27:33] <exec> 08└─I pay about $20 to refill my 20 pound ( of liquid CO2 ) jug that runs my homemade beverage carbonator. Although one jug lasts me about a year, I can go through that jug in minutes if I vent the CO2 as a refrigerant. Remember those frosty mug coolers and how fast they used those expensive little selt...
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[03:21:44] <exec> 08└─when the internet goes down, is all that (should) matter.
[03:21:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:21:49] <exec> 08└─Stop trying to cheat death, Boomer. Catch COVID-19 and die now.
[03:21:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Offtopic) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 10 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:21:51] <exec> 08└─You first!
[03:21:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 1957 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:21:53] <exec> 08└─I use both LibreOffice and OpenOffice (fwiw, OO has a smaller disk footprint, so I started with it first, years ago). My customers are all Microsoft shops and I often have to deal with .docx files. Both LO and OO have problems with certain kinds of formatting in .docx (and .doc), for example, number...
[03:21:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03AHuxley [254] (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:21:56] <exec> 08└─+1 for something open that's not from an ad company.
[03:21:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 34 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:21:58] <exec> 08└─Why [office.com] Not? [google.com]
[03:21:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03MostCynical [2589] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:22:00] <exec> 08└─more specific link to the online version page [libreoffice.org]
[03:22:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0, Flamebait) 02 - 06Plum Pickings: Ancient Fruit Ripe for Modern Plates - 130 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:22:15] <exec> 08└─America is really going down the drain, ain't it. You can't simply blame Trump. It's the Americans that voted him into the office.
[03:22:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03martyb [76] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Researchers Control Cattle Microbiomes to Reduce Methane and Greenhouse Gases - 302 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:22:43] <exec> 08└─If cattle and camels drink at the same water troughs apparently they swap rumen bacteria which allows the cattle to produce less methane, and also get more nutrition from harder to digest plants [abc.net.au]. I guess they're experimenting with more radically and permanently modifying cattle gut flor...
[03:24:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Reziac [2489] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 233 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:24:16] <exec> 08└─This was both amazing fun and utterly terrifying... today's networking doesn't know how easy they have it! So, when will you do Netware 5.x and 6.x? I think it would be fun to compare in light of this foray into ancient incantations.
[03:24:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Reziac [2489] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 635 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:24:17] <exec> 08└─NT may have been a lot less arcane to use, but I'm reminded of this: Until somewhere after 2001 (when I stopped needing to use it regularly and stopped paying attention) the Los Angeles County Assessor's Office webserver was on NT4. After much frustration with it getting slower and slower until it a...
[03:26:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Mercury Levels in Shark Fins Illegal and Dangerous to Human Health - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:26:41] <exec> 08└─How did mercury get into the shark fins?
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[04:22:04] <exec> 08└─Needs more William Shatner.
[04:22:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 307 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:22:05] <exec> 08└─commercial software is all garbage all of it commercial software development is a field that rewards hucksters, con artists, and worse who has to deal with it when commercial software is shit, when their cloud goes down? never the vendor. grab the nearest tech dweeb and bully him until Google comes...
[04:22:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Mykl [1112] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Plum Pickings: Ancient Fruit Ripe for Modern Plates - 258 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:22:23] <exec> 08└─So according to TFA the green plum seems to be very high in Folate, protein and a bunch of other stuff. Goes well with the Kakadu Plum [wikipedia.org], which has the highest level of Vitamin C of any plant. They both grow in Arnhem Land in Australia's north.
[04:24:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 389 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:24:25] <exec> 08└─> Qemm. Is that maybe what you were thinking of- Qemm rather than himem.sys and emm386.exe? The same company behind desqview (thanks for spelling fix; it was same spelling on desqviewX), was behind qemm-- Quarterdeck. They had windows 3.1 running in a window in desqviewX faster than windows, on bare...
[04:24:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03RS3 [6367] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 264 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:24:26] <exec> 08└─I've had more than 1 Windows computer with some kind of similar problem (one was a very weird hard disk problem) that I just set up a scheduled task to reboot it every 2 or so days. Hack? Workaround? What else do you do when you can't really get at the problem. :)
[04:24:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03RS3 [6367] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 550 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:24:28] <exec> 08└─You mean they had MS Windows running in a Desqview "container"? Way cool if so. I don't remember trying that. Yeah, I actually bought a Qemm license I liked it so much. And worth it because I helped a company to be able to sell their products. The applications's developer was a very surly guy, and h...
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[04:24:31] <exec> 08└─"At any rate, Netware made an effective product, MicroSoft made an effective marketing campaign. Look which one won." Yeah, and I've ranted about this many times- that non-technical coneheads make the decisions about such things. MS is good at some things, including semi-technical demonstrations tha...
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[04:24:33] <exec> 08└─Tee hee yes, it was a remote workaround, that's it. :D I've been blessed with so much the opposite in my WinBoxen, that I think any uptime less than several months is embarrassing, and have had multiple uptimes over two years. Yon XP64 box (that does duty as a file server, because it plays nice with...
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[05:22:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03coolgopher [1157] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 427 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:22:21] <exec> 08└─A colleague of mine just learned the hard way that you cannot (successfully) export Google Docs containing mathematical formulas to Word format (.docx). OpenOffice apparently can manage it in a way which preserves the way the formula looks, but not the actual formula. The example given was that "a +...
[05:22:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03richtopia [3160] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 328 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:22:22] <exec> 08└─I've had customers who use both products. They are all bad. Microsoft products used to be the industry standard and more feature complete than Google, but Office 365 keeps providing headaches. I personally write as much as possible in MarkDown, but that is my personal stuff; I suspect a real busines...
[05:22:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03bart9h [767] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 224 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:22:24] <exec> 08└─I don't know any WYSIWYG editor that didn't suck. Is there any? LaTeX is the only sane way. I lets you focus 90% of your effort on the content, not the format. With the WYSIWYG editors, it's pretty much the other way around.
[05:22:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03zeigerpuppy [1298] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 502 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:22:27] <exec> 08└─CollaboraOffice https://www.collaboraoffice.com [collaboraoffice.com] running on a nextcloud server is a really great option. It uses LibreOffice under the hood and supports real time collaboratie editing as well as fallback to LibreOffice (files synced using Nextcloud). We have some big deplo...
[05:22:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 238 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:22:29] <exec> 08└─All the problems you describe are Microsoft problems, not the problem of software that follows a standard. If Microsoft's Word garbles lists and math, I just do not use it. Problem solved. Oh, I suppose you still need Word for games, eh?
[05:27:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Cessna eCaravan Becomes Largest Electric Aircraft to Fly - 121 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:27:06] <exec> 08└─Oh, so really is just a conservative jackass trolling shit up. At least their stupidity is intentional, yours is natural.
[05:29:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Renewable Energy Sources Surpassed Coal in the U.S. in 2019 - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:29:19] <exec> 08└─Those notorious communists the International Monetary Fund, is what I should have put then.
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[06:22:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03julian [6003] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 841 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:22:13] <exec> 08└─My personal needs are well served by Notepad++ [notepad-plus-plus.org] (Windows), Kate [kate-editor.org] (Linux, KDE), and LibreOffice (available everywhere). My office needs a lot of collaboration with documents so we do use Google Docs and it's a really great product for what it does. I don't have...
[06:22:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03deimtee [3272] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 240 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:22:15] <exec> 08└─Best wysiwyg I ever used was Wordperfect in 'reveal codes' mode. But that was 25 years ago, and usability has done nothing but drop since then across them all. Poettering probably has "add ribbon interface to Libre Office" on his todo list.
[06:22:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 731 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:22:17] <exec> 08└─My experience with business users (on both sides of the document) is that they *need* pretty formatting that they are able to handle with minimum effort on their side. And they really absolutely *need* that formatting to hide the unconvenient / distressing actual content behind it. So using LaTeX to...
[06:22:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:22:19] <exec> 08└─What latex viewers do you use? Last time i fired up some old(4yrs only) .pdf they had lost math formula here and there.
[06:22:30] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Anonymous Coward 02 - 06Plum Pickings: Ancient Fruit Ripe for Modern Plates - 31 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:22:30] <exec> 08└─Did the Viagra make you taller?
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[07:22:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Christo, the Artist Who Wrapped the World, Dies at 84 - 35 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:22:44] <exec> 08└─Its a wrap for Christo. Art. right.
[07:23:29] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Rosco P. Coltrane [4757] 02 - 06White Hat Demonstrates Apple's (Lack of) Security Prowess - 435 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:23:30] <exec> 08└─The real problem is, they can promise all they want, there's so much money to be made in the dataraping business that they won't resist the lure for very long, even if they honestly try to. Giant tech companies promising not to abuse your personal data is exactly like a heroin addict promising to st...
[07:24:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03canopic jug [3949] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 37 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:24:39] <exec> 08└─And think of all the jobs M$ created!
[07:28:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03PartTimeZombie [4827] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Renewable Energy Sources Surpassed Coal in the U.S. in 2019 - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:28:55] <exec> 08└─I can't understand why the IMF don't ask you to do their studies for them, you're obviously way ahead of them.
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[08:21:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Programming Guide for Russia's "28nm" Elbrus-8CB CPU Published - 148 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:21:50] <exec> 08└─So it's about a decade behind current state of the art process nodes, roughly 2010-2011 vintage, roughly at the level of a second gen Intel Core i5.
[08:21:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Programming Guide for Russia's "28nm" Elbrus-8CB CPU Published - 133 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:21:52] <exec> 08└─It's a good start. If they are going to just use TSMC's fabs, then they can get a much better node if they are willing to pay for it.
[08:22:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03inertnet [4071] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 197 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:22:25] <exec> 08└─I normally use LibreOffice, but got a company laptop with Office 365 on it. It can't properly save CSV files because there's no option to quote text fields. So the laptop now has LibreOffice on it.
[08:22:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Common Joe [33] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 159 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:22:27] <exec> 08└─Best wysiwyg I ever used was Wordperfect in 'reveal codes' mode. But that was 25 years ago, and usability has done nothing but drop since then across them all.
[08:22:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03bradley13 [3053] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Christo, the Artist Who Wrapped the World, Dies at 84 - 246 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:22:57] <exec> 08└─A good friend of mine was living in Berlin when he wrapped the Reichstag, and he said lots of locals came for a look, but no-one stayed for long because it just wasn't that interesting once you got past the "he wrapped that building in foil" bit.
[08:22:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Christo, the Artist Who Wrapped the World, Dies at 84 - 124 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:22:58] <exec> 08└─Did anybody work out the amout of CO2 generated by those stunts ? Or have artists exempted themselves from this accounting ?
[08:23:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Antarctic Ice Sheets Capable of Retreating Up to 50 Meters Per Day - 114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:23:33] <exec> 08└─I wouldn't mind "giving" that land even if it doesn't. Antarctica will be the last great land rush, ice or no ice.
[08:24:16] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03DannyB [5839] 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 1665 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:24:17] <exec> 08└─I had forgotten all about CALs. Oh how I remember how much I laughed at the very idea of having CALs. But, that leads me to another thought. I remember laughing at the idea that an OS developer would charge developers for development tools. I'm thinking of Microsoft here. Apple had done that earlier...
[08:29:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Renewable Energy Sources Surpassed Coal in the U.S. in 2019 - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:29:07] <exec> 08└─I can't understand why the IMF don't ask you to do their studies for them, you're obviously way ahead of them.
[08:29:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Renewable Energy Sources Surpassed Coal in the U.S. in 2019 - 48 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:29:08] <exec> 08└─In the many hills that didn't have coal in them.
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[09:21:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03turgid [4318] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Programming Guide for Russia's "28nm" Elbrus-8CB CPU Published - 88 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[09:21:57] <exec> 08└─Nearly fast enough to run Word, Excel, Internet Exploder and MacAfee concurrently, then?
[09:22:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03CowMan [2314] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 368 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[09:22:29] <exec> 08└─Both sides ? Most business docs fly about as PDFs from my experience, like 99%. Interestingly I have also seen a growing uptick of tex, particularly for data heavy reports as almost all inputs can be automated based on the output of technical programs, add a couple plain text files, and it's one cli...
[09:22:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03KritonK [465] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 75 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[09:22:30] <exec> 08└─The obvious choices are the two best known: Microsoft Word and Google Docs.
[09:22:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[09:22:32] <exec> 08└─In any case, why you would want to CC a possible competitor in your daily business processes is what puzzles me.
[09:22:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheRaven [270] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 732 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[09:22:35] <exec> 08└─Huh? Microsoft Office comes in two flavours: pay a one-off price for a single version of the office suite or pay a subscription for Office 365. In both versions, you get desktop apps. Office 365 gives you Windows, macOS, Android and iOS versions of the core apps (a few, such as Access, are available...
[09:25:59] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03EJ [2452] 02 - 06US Court Grants Permission to Recover Marconi Telegraph from Titanic's Wreckage [Updated] - 444 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[09:25:59] <exec> 08└─"Mortal remains" is a stupid concept. There is nothing sacred about the leftover waste when a person dies. The bones are no more special than the dandruff, hair clippings, and other detritus from the human body. We should not be so selfish as to try to seal away the material that we've borrowed from...
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[10:21:58] <exec> 08└─2011 called and want their meme back. It's Edgium and Windows Defender nowadays.
[10:22:18] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03coolgopher [1157] 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 427 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[10:22:18] <exec> 08└─A colleague of mine just learned the hard way that you cannot (successfully) export Google Docs containing mathematical formulas to Word format (.docx). OpenOffice apparently can manage it in a way which preserves the way the formula looks, but not the actual formula. The example given was that "a +...
[10:22:21] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03zeigerpuppy [1298] 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 502 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[10:22:22] <exec> 08└─CollaboraOffice https://www.collaboraoffice.com [collaboraoffice.com] running on a nextcloud server is a really great option. It uses LibreOffice under the hood and supports real time collaboratie editing as well as fallback to LibreOffice (files synced using Nextcloud). We have some big deplo...
[10:22:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 108 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[10:22:34] <exec> 08└─WYSIWYG editors suck. LaTeX sucks too. It ain't even markup, it's a fucking programming language. Literally.
[10:22:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03KritonK [465] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 2011 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[10:22:35] <exec> 08└─I use LibreOffice, too, but older versions of MS Office would quote fields if necessary, i.e., if they contained the delimiter character. Have they "fixed" this in newer versions? My main quarrel with csv files in MS Office was that they weren't really csv (i.e., comma separated value) files, but ss...
[10:22:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 328 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[10:22:38] <exec> 08└─Yes, I agree these are primarily Microsoft problems. But since my customers (large companies) are MS shops, they become my problems too. Just pointing out that LO/OO are not as compatible with MS formats as some people like to think. The only game I play on Win7 is the original MS Solitaire (moved s...
[10:24:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheRaven [270] (Score: 2) 02 - 06White Hat Demonstrates Apple's (Lack of) Security Prowess - 569 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[10:24:07] <exec> 08└─Yes and no. Yes, a corporation will aim to maximise profit, but that doesn't mean that they will do everything that brings income. If a particular activity would bring a small amount of money in but reduce another revenue stream, they will (usually) not do it. Apple has decided that they want privac...
[10:24:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheRaven [270] (Score: 2) 02 - 06White Hat Demonstrates Apple's (Lack of) Security Prowess - 527 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[10:24:09] <exec> 08└─Note that you needed two bugs for this to work. Apple's bug let you create a JWT for your user's unique ID but with someone else's email address associated with it. This can then be combined with another bug where the entity using this identity uses the email address and not the unique ID as the ide...
[10:25:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 71 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[10:25:08] <exec> 08└─It's mostly when I manage to obtain a copy, and the necessary licenses.
[10:25:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 989 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[10:25:09] <exec> 08└─Honestly, that sounds like IIS being a pile of shit. I've had very mixed bag of experiences with both old and modern IISes. IIS has always shown signs of Microsoft reacting to being slow to the Internet and it's never come across as a great product. I've actually had much better experiences with Apa...
[10:25:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 153 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[10:25:11] <exec> 08└─It's not the only "walled in server" I've seen, but that article always stuck in my mind, and it's the original source of the story as far as I can find.
[10:25:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 1591 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[10:25:13] <exec> 08└─I didn't test RAID, although I wanted to. I have no idea how to simulate a realistic drive failure in virtualization; anything I can do would be close to ideal conditions since short of shredding the real HDD, I'm just staying to SMART that the drive has tapped out. A few friends of mine are debatin...
[10:25:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 1482 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[10:25:15] <exec> 08└─I was using ppp along with... the predecessor to ipchains? to run 10 baseT on a couple 82593 cards and a brand spanking new either RTL8129 or SMC something card running in NE2K-PCI mode. While Windows 3.1 was pretty much limited to IPX or dial-up TCP-IP because of the available TCP/IP stacks (winsoc...
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[10:25:18] <exec> 08└─like they did IPX protocol support (which for the record was never properly documented in manpages, making use/development of it difficult.) ISA and NE2K ISA support were still in there a few years ago when I looked. I've used it both for ReactOS 'AT'/NONACPI support as well as under linux and... ne...
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[11:21:45] <exec> 08└─> and believes the rate at which associates have contracted Covid-19 is lower than that of the general US population. I should hope so. I'm assuming that "the general US population" includes everyone, and includes, for example, high risk groups like nursing home residents and health care workers. Ju...
[11:21:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03MostCynical [2589] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Walmart's Anti-shoplifting "AI" Technology May Pose Health Hazard - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[11:21:47] <exec> 08└─workers are given handheld devices that allow them to handle most interventions from a distance,
[11:22:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Programming Guide for Russia's "28nm" Elbrus-8CB CPU Published - 369 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[11:22:04] <exec> 08└─Ah, so what you're saying there is 'tried and trusted' technology.....well, for given values of 'trusted' obviously, though I do appreciate the Russian point of view that they'd rather have processors with their own backdoor code in the beasties powering their systems rather than having to use forei...
[11:22:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03petecox [3228] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Programming Guide for Russia's "28nm" Elbrus-8CB CPU Published - 133 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[11:22:06] <exec> 08└─China have their own x86-emulation in (MIPS based) Loongson, should their Zhaoxin partnership with Via ever be Huaweied by sanctions.
[11:23:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Plum Pickings: Ancient Fruit Ripe for Modern Plates - 824 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[11:23:00] <exec> 08└─Looking at the actual paper ( https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov [nih.gov] ) the numbers are based on dry weight. Fruits are normally about 75-90% water so I'm wondering how much fake news and marketing is in this story. If it has similar water content to a plum (85%) then the numbers won't b...
[11:25:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 774 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[11:25:20] <exec> 08└─But NT5 beta didn't have that until either the last RC or the fucking RTM. It was a huge nightmare for actually testing or using it without network access, or to install network access when you first needed it. I remember thinking NT5 was a toy OS, until I ended up spending 300 quid a few years late...
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[11:25:22] <exec> 08└─I don't know exactly whne SMART stuff came onto the market, but it wasn't seriously implemented until either 8 or 10GB HDDs (I have some of that vintage still running, and some older busted models.) I'll check the 3.1 and maybe 540 gig if they still spin up, but Maxtor or WD definitely didn't have i...
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[12:21:55] <exec> 08└─workers are given handheld devices that allow them to handle most interventions from a distance,
[12:21:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Walmart's Anti-shoplifting "AI" Technology May Pose Health Hazard - 358 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:21:57] <exec> 08└─Contracting, not dying from it. They are a public facing occupation, I would expect a higher risk of catching it. Also, notice he said "he believes" the rate is lower, a sure tell for a corporate lie. If it was true he would have just stated it. He can state under oath that he believes the moon is m...
[12:22:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03inertnet [4071] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 239 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:22:55] <exec> 08└─This is a quote from a Microsoft site about quotes in csv files: Microsoft Excel does not have a menu command to automatically export data to a text file so that the text file is exported with both quotation marks and commas as delimiters.
[12:22:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:22:57] <exec> 08└─Moral of the story: just stick to LaTeX for serious documents.
[12:22:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Muad'Dave [1413] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 274 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:22:59] <exec> 08└─I've had real issues with both OO and LO handling labels. In OO 4.1.7 (Mac version), simply choosing New / Labels results in the app abruptly abending. Just starting and trying to exit LO 5.3.5.2 results in a hang. Later versions somehow screw up the margins and formatting.
[12:24:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06White Hat Demonstrates Apple's (Lack of) Security Prowess - 102 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:24:33] <exec> 08└─I don't think that Sign in with Apple was made to work with randomly-generated throw-away addresses...
[12:25:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 315 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:25:39] <exec> 08└─My personal experience is that if you stuck to the Hardware Compatibility Lists, you got a very stable system. As I said, the only real NT4 disaster was when the RAID self-destructed, and that was due to HW raid losing its mind. A lot of the trouble is dropping Windows on commodity hardware which ha...
[12:25:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 658 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:25:41] <exec> 08└─I'm actually trying to track down some ARCnet equipment because I'd like to do a retrospective on networking pre-Ethernet, and I have an eBay watchlist. ARCNet though is still sold new since its still ticking in SCADA, but at $600 USD per NIC, it's a bit hard to justify on my non-existent budget. Al...
[12:25:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 355 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:25:43] <exec> 08└─At the time, I embraced digital distrubition, but I've come to realize that there's a certain aspect of having physical disks and media that really goes a lot longer. I've ripped my ISOs for backup, but I'll still use the original media if I have it. I even put an optical drive in my rig for express...
[12:27:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score: 2) 02 - 06US Court Grants Permission to Recover Marconi Telegraph from Titanic's Wreckage [Updated] - 211 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:27:16] <exec> 08└─You don't need to be a lawyer to know the law. You need to be a lawyer to be considered enough of an expert to represent someone else. Me, I've only closely followed copyright law decisions for a couple decades.
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[13:21:43] <exec> 08└─Seemed the only thing that would get people off SHA1 was completely disabling it.
[13:21:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06SHA-1 to be Disabled in OpenSSH and libssh - 15 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:21:45] <exec> 08└─I don't get it.
[13:22:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Programming Guide for Russia's "28nm" Elbrus-8CB CPU Published - 408 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:22:20] <exec> 08└─I thought translation + VLIW was judged an architectural dead end some time ago. Maybe they found a way to make it work. Did they provide any standard benchmark results? Would be interesting to see how the machine does in 32 and 64 bit translation mode and well as native. Also power consumption. The...
[13:22:52] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03KritonK [465] 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 75 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:22:52] <exec> 08└─The obvious choices are the two best known: Microsoft Word and Google Docs.
[13:23:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03kreuzfeld [8580] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 189 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:23:02] <exec> 08└─The correct answer is https://www.libreoffice.org [libreoffice.org] . It's done the job for me for the last 13 years, through six different employers across three states and two countries.
[13:23:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 275 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:23:04] <exec> 08└─Man I miss "reveal codes," best feature ever for figuring out why doing this thing causes this weird behavior. Flip on reveal codes and you can see ever start/end italics, every space, everything. It was perfect (TM). Also, the equation editor was, for the time, pretty good.
[13:24:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheRaven [270] (Score: 2) 02 - 06White Hat Demonstrates Apple's (Lack of) Security Prowess - 940 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:24:37] <exec> 08└─Yes it was. That is precisely its selling point: whenever you sign in with Apple, you have a choice of providing your email address or a throw-away one. Apple creates a random throw-away one for you and will relay email from there to your real address, so the owner of the service never sees your ema...
[13:24:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06White Hat Demonstrates Apple's (Lack of) Security Prowess - 423 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:24:39] <exec> 08└─Ah... seems like weak sauce to start with, but I see the commercial appeal. Craigslist and others have been doing similar things for a long time, but as a single server not an Oauth type stand-off. Seems like anyone wanting to anonymize their e-mail communication with a 3rd party should just make a...
[13:25:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 131 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:25:48] <exec> 08└─To this day still prefer how eDirectory and NSS worked over AD and NTFS.. less bloat and better inheritance models for permissions.
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[14:22:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Programming Guide for Russia's "28nm" Elbrus-8CB CPU Published - 107 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:22:23] <exec> 08└─Home grown russian CPUtin, complete with integrated KGB-inspired state-of-the-art surveillance technology !
[14:22:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Programming Guide for Russia's "28nm" Elbrus-8CB CPU Published - 120 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:22:25] <exec> 08└─I thought translation + VLIW was judged an architectural dead end some time ago. Maybe they found a way to make it work.
[14:22:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Programming Guide for Russia's "28nm" Elbrus-8CB CPU Published - 49 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:22:27] <exec> 08└─Does it have a management engine! With high RPMs.
[14:22:36] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Hauke [5186] 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 228 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:22:36] <exec> 08└─Why not other options in this discussion? LibreOffice [libreoffice.org] and OpenOffice [openoffice.org]? I'd love to to hear the discussion regarding Editing, Formatting and Collaboration include all four (if not more). Cheers!
[14:23:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03meustrus [4961] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 851 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:23:11] <exec> 08└─Maybe for things that free software advocates care about. In the music world, commercial software is king. Sure, there's MuseScore and LMMS as free solutions, but they seriously lack the domain understanding that commercial products like Sibelius, Dorico, ProTools, Logic, Reason, FL Studio, and many...
[14:23:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03meustrus [4961] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 452 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:23:12] <exec> 08└─I quite like the way MS Office works on OS X. Because OS X has a permanent application-defined menu, there's no reason to take File/Edit/View/etc away from the user. So the ribbon simply provides the superior visual language without taking away the menus that provide the superior text-based-discover...
[14:23:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 275 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:23:15] <exec> 08└─That answer suffices if you expect the internet to come back up again at some point. But what if it never does? Because of some Microsoft technology somewhere that permanently disables the internet. Wouldn't you rather have had your documents safely stored in Microsoft Word?
[14:23:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 300 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:23:17] <exec> 08└─I think you mean BCC. And even BCC doesn't quite capture it, because the sender is not aware that they are BCC'ing. But it is a feature! Your documents are being safely, invisibly, and secretly archived "in the cloud!" And if it's in the cloud, then it must be good! This message paid for by the NSA.
[14:23:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 173 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:23:19] <exec> 08└─It is sad reality to have to use Microsoft products in business, and build products for customers using this wretched junk. MCSE: Minesweeper Consultant and Solitaire Expert
[14:24:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score: 2) 02 - 06White Hat Demonstrates Apple's (Lack of) Security Prowess - 129 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:24:55] <exec> 08└─If a particular activity would bring a small amount of money in but reduce another revenue stream, they will (usually) not do it.
[14:26:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 82 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:26:07] <exec> 08└─I'll still stand by my opinion that NT won this battle by being the better product
[14:26:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 350 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:26:08] <exec> 08└─I didn't know any other servers had ever been walled in. The netware server is the only such story I have any memory of. Interesting that there were others. Someday it will be an underground data center that got closed off in an earthquake, forgotten about, and continued to run for millennia. Gradua...
[14:27:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03martyb [76] (Score: 2) 02 - 06US Court Grants Permission to Recover Marconi Telegraph from Titanic's Wreckage [Updated] - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
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[15:21:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03PiMuNu [3823] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06SHA-1 to be Disabled in OpenSSH and libssh - 344 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:21:50] <exec> 08└─> Seemed the only thing that would get people off SHA1 was completely disabling it. On the other hand, if a user needs to connect to a legacy system, where updating to a more recent openssh implementation is not feasible, then forcing that user to install and run an old version of openssh (presumabl...
[15:21:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] (Score: 2) 02 - 06SHA-1 to be Disabled in OpenSSH and libssh - 2977 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:21:52] <exec> 08└─Yeah, individual users are expected to let their computers automatically update, but organizations never want to "waste" effort on maintenance. Having done sysadmin work, I understand that you want to be very conservative about updating those servers. Never update just because a new version is avail...
[15:21:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06A New Theorem Predicts that Stationary Black Holes Must Have at Least One Light Ring - 217 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:21:59] <exec> 08└─... the US president is planning to put troops on the streets to suppress wide spread anti-government protests; and to designate anti-fascists as terrorists. Just had to get that one off my chest. Back to Black Holes.
[15:22:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Rosco P. Coltrane [4757] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Walmart's Anti-shoplifting "AI" Technology May Pose Health Hazard - 264 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:22:10] <exec> 08└─Instead of using shite AI technology to prevent shoplifting at self checkout points, do away with self checkout and employ real cashiers instead. You'll give someone a job they need and you'll prevent (most) shoplifting at the same time, you fucking cheapstakes...
[15:22:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Walmart's Anti-shoplifting "AI" Technology May Pose Health Hazard - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:22:11] <exec> 08└─I never use self-checkout for that reason. It eliminates jobs.
[15:26:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Deeo Kain [5848] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 127 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:26:11] <exec> 08└─"At the time, thicknet 10BASE2 and Ethernet hubs dominated the low-cost market." 10BASE2 was the thinnet, thicknet was 10BASE5.
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[16:21:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06SHA-1 to be Disabled in OpenSSH and libssh - 200 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:21:56] <exec> 08└─For the same reason anyone does anything potentially risky, because they've looked at the risks, though 'fuck it, we know the issues, we're deeming the potential risks to be acceptable...' humans, eh?
[16:21:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06SHA-1 to be Disabled in OpenSSH and libssh - 162 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:21:58] <exec> 08└─I understand that you want to be very conservative about updating those servers. Never update just because a new version is available. Only update to fix an issue
[16:21:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06SHA-1 to be Disabled in OpenSSH and libssh - 4 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:22:00] <exec> 08└─S/t.
[16:22:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06SHA-1 to be Disabled in OpenSSH and libssh - 13 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:22:02] <exec> 08└─SHA2 or SHA3?
[16:22:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score: 2) 02 - 06A New Theorem Predicts that Stationary Black Holes Must Have at Least One Light Ring - 273 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:22:12] <exec> 08└─Looking this up, this doesn't mean said black hole doesn't move relative to the rest of the universe, because that would be violating every observation ever. What it seems to mean from my quick layman's reading is that the black hole isn't changing significantly over time.
[16:22:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03epitaxial [3165] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Walmart's Anti-shoplifting "AI" Technology May Pose Health Hazard - 164 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:22:25] <exec> 08└─Walmart is saving money by not paying cashiers. They are not passing those savings onto me for doing their work. If self checkouts gave you a discount I'd use them.
[16:22:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03XivLacuna [6346] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Walmart's Anti-shoplifting "AI" Technology May Pose Health Hazard - 244 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:22:26] <exec> 08└─My local Walmart encouraged people to use self checkout by only leaving the cash registers staffed by the slowest, most incompetent people they could find. It unfortunately worked. They had the displaced staff instead work on curbside delivery.
[16:22:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Walmart's Anti-shoplifting "AI" Technology May Pose Health Hazard - 1636 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:22:28] <exec> 08└─The funny thing is that defenders of big business routinely argue that the reason retailers want to replace humans with machines is because those humans demand too many pay raises and occasionally say the word "union", while carefully ignoring the fact that retailers will gladly replace humans with...
[16:23:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03hendrikboom [1125] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 3016 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:23:39] <exec> 08└─I've long ago discovered that to be able to focus properly on writing I need a document compiler, not a word processor. And it needs to cooperate with distributed version control (which all "word processors" I've seen don't). I still haven't found one I like. Aside from some ancient ones running on...
[16:23:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 381 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:23:41] <exec> 08└─> If you opened the file from LibreOffice, the checkboxes were completely misaligned. Instant vendor and version lock-in! No this was all solved by having 2 different formats both called docx. One of them is compliant with standards and one isn't. It's not their fault that everyone didn't change the...
[16:23:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 97 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:23:43] <exec> 08└─Bzzz WRONG. LO equation editor SUUUUUUUUUUUUUCKS hairy choad every minute of its sorry existence.
[16:24:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Plum Pickings: Ancient Fruit Ripe for Modern Plates - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:24:01] <exec> 08└─After America first, it was where Britain sent its sick and wretched human garbage.
[16:25:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheRaven [270] (Score: 2) 02 - 06White Hat Demonstrates Apple's (Lack of) Security Prowess - 370 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:25:22] <exec> 08└─They don't, at the UI level. The UI says 'share your email address, yes / no'. This is implemented by a form submission that passes either the user's email address or a one-shot one (which was generated when the page was generated) back to Apple. Apple trusted the form submission from this page beca...
[16:26:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Reziac [2489] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 409 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:26:36] <exec> 08└─Ah. Look forward to the day. They are out there, tho dunno about price for legit. Wonder if Microfocus would lend you review copies, if you reviewed current as well? I have copies of 5 and maybe 6 here somewhere (from attending Novell's seminars), which I keep meaning to unearth and try out. Some ye...
[16:26:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Reziac [2489] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 676 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:26:37] <exec> 08└─Yeah, now that you remind me, it was probably IIS clogging up, and it wasn't the only site with this problem, just the one that regularly annoyed me. I don't recall a lot of bitching about NT4 in, say, an office environment, but as a webserver... ugh. Funny story about the bad old days when hacked F...
[16:26:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Reziac [2489] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 415 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:26:39] <exec> 08└─Yeah, I remember when hacked FTPs were common... the p0wnd directories would have long strings of ../.../..../ in the path, and other nonsense characters. You could fall into 'em via search engine, but if you went upstream you couldn't find 'em again. Also recall a demo someone did of putting an NT4...
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[17:21:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Third European Service Module for Artemis Mission to Land Astronauts on the Moon - 546 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:21:46] <exec> 08└─Did anyone else get slightly nauseous the 20th time you heard the phrase "American Astronauts launched on an American made rocket from American soil"? There was also a brief segue during the SpaceX launch coverage into the SpaceForce stuff... which made it all clear to me why Russia suddenly started...
[17:21:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Third European Service Module for Artemis Mission to Land Astronauts on the Moon - 264 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:21:47] <exec> 08└─There was also a brief segue during the SpaceX launch coverage into the SpaceForce stuff... which made it all clear to me why Russia suddenly started saber rattling with their new submarine base killer Hbomb torpedoes shortly after the Cheeto in Chief took office.
[17:22:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06SHA-1 to be Disabled in OpenSSH and libssh - 114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:22:02] <exec> 08└─Not as insecure as leaving the legacy system connected to the internet with an old and probably already owned ssh.
[17:22:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03DECbot [832] (Score: 1) 02 - 06SHA-1 to be Disabled in OpenSSH and libssh - 461 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:22:03] <exec> 08└─Obviously we should leave this up to Congress and law enforcement to decide. ROT13 should be perfectly acceptable for everyone. You can even do it a dozen times if you really want to ensure it is encrypted to FBI standards for individual persons (while maintaining the appropriate LE backdoors), i.e....
[17:22:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06SHA-1 to be Disabled in OpenSSH and libssh - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:22:06] <exec> 08└─What sort of security researcher would advocate using power tools around helpless babies?
[17:22:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03RS3 [6367] (Score: 2) 02 - 06SHA-1 to be Disabled in OpenSSH and libssh - 500 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:22:08] <exec> 08└─The worst, to me anyway, are bundled update packages that bring critical fixes, but also remove features, brick your 3rd-party ink, etc. Not sure what the fix is, but it seems we need more laws (ugh, yuck). Much of the problem stems from the attitude by corporations that you don't own the software,...
[17:22:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] (Score: 2) 02 - 06SHA-1 to be Disabled in OpenSSH and libssh - 2390 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:22:10] <exec> 08└─> I defer the actually rebooting That too has risks. I've had Firefox crash because a library it was using was updated. I forgot to mention that the ease of rolling back is of course an important consideration. Is going back and forth as easy as toggling a switch and getting a near instantaneous res...
[17:22:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Kitsune008 [9054] (Score: 2) 02 - 06A New Theorem Predicts that Stationary Black Holes Must Have at Least One Light Ring - 488 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:22:20] <exec> 08└─I think the intent of the 'stationary black holes' nomenclature is to distinguish between rotating, and non-rotating black holes. TFA talks about light rings forming at the boundary of a 'photon sphere' around a black hole, then mentions two photon spheres forming around rotating black holes. The la...
[17:22:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06A New Theorem Predicts that Stationary Black Holes Must Have at Least One Light Ring - 108 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:22:22] <exec> 08└─It sounds like this, and other theorems about basic black holes, are describing "spherical cow" black holes.
[17:22:33] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Rosco P. Coltrane [4757] 02 - 06Walmart's Anti-shoplifting "AI" Technology May Pose Health Hazard - 264 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:22:33] <exec> 08└─Instead of using shite AI technology to prevent shoplifting at self checkout points, do away with self checkout and employ real cashiers instead. You'll give someone a job they need and you'll prevent (most) shoplifting at the same time, you fucking cheapstakes...
[17:23:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03RS3 [6367] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Programming Guide for Russia's "28nm" Elbrus-8CB CPU Published - 34 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:23:00] <exec> 08└─RPMs? Russian Programming Modules?
[17:23:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Programming Guide for Russia's "28nm" Elbrus-8CB CPU Published - 227 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:23:02] <exec> 08└─This short news post is not meant to be a complete breakdown of the Elbrus capabilities – we have amusingly joked internally at what frequency a Cortex X1 with x86 translation would match the capabilities of the 8-core Elbrus
[17:23:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 21 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:23:54] <exec> 08└─stop using EnslaveOS.
[17:23:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 64 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:23:56] <exec> 08└─have you even bothered to report your experience to the LO devs?
[17:23:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 224 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:23:58] <exec> 08└─Org mode https://orgmode.org [orgmode.org] works for me as a simple plain textish format that exports well. I mostly export to HTML but it lists ODT as included and mentions there are other exporters available.
[17:25:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06White Hat Demonstrates Apple's (Lack of) Security Prowess - 894 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:25:37] <exec> 08└─Assumption #2 in security: anything that can be tampered with, will be. I just finished an impromptu review of our software update functionality - had a request to try to use it as a backdoor to exfiltrate information to USB stick, that wasn't in the original design spec, but it seemed like somethin...
[17:26:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03RS3 [6367] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 1471 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:26:54] <exec> 08└─This is an abbreviated response: you can just unplug a drive from the RAID and you'll find out what happens. AR-15 not needed. Normally it will continue to run in "degraded" mode. SCA disks can be hot-unplugged. Which hw RAID controller are you running? Netware SDK had to be fairly cheap- company I...
[17:26:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Reziac [2489] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 1109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:26:56] <exec> 08└─When RAID commits seppuku, I doubt it much matters what the OS is... I once spent a summer rebuilding files with a hex editor, recovered from a linux server where RAID had gone berserk and randomly interleaved 'em with each other and whatever random junk was in memory. Yeah, that's nearly always the...
[17:26:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Reziac [2489] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 105 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:26:58] <exec> 08└─Well, you could consider space probes to be walled-in servers... what's Voyager got on it now, 40 years??
[17:26:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Reziac [2489] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:27:00] <exec> 08└─No idea if sufficiently complete, but... https://winworldpc.com [winworldpc.com]
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[18:21:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03anotherblackhat [4722] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Orbital Use Fees Proposed as the Most Effective Way to Solve the Space Junk Problem - 68 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:21:53] <exec> 08└─Fees for using space make as much sense as fees for using the Ocean.
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[18:21:55] <exec> 08└─Satellite operators already deorbit end of life satellites (or move them to low risk graveyard orbits if they are too high to deorbit). In the United States, a disposal plan is required by the FCC (not the FAA, which would seem to be the more appropriate agency, but it's still required). The best wa...
[18:21:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03ilsa [6082] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Orbital Use Fees Proposed as the Most Effective Way to Solve the Space Junk Problem - 270 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:21:57] <exec> 08└─I'm all for holding these satellite companies accountable, but I fail to understand how this is anything more than a cash grab. If the whole point is to manage a common resource, then there should be an end game to that fee collection like covering the cost of clean up.
[18:21:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Orbital Use Fees Proposed as the Most Effective Way to Solve the Space Junk Problem - 189 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:21:59] <exec> 08└─Justified with the usual leftist claptrap. The left is all about the Commons. Funny how it is always a small group of them that gets paid handsomely to "administer" "The People's" Property.
[18:22:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Orbital Use Fees Proposed as the Most Effective Way to Solve the Space Junk Problem - 269 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:22:01] <exec> 08└─Exactly, and let’s not forget the poor astronomers, half the fee goes to their ‘space telescope Kickstarter’: Help! Satellite constellations killed ground based astronomy Help us get our telescope in orbit 1oo dollars level- we name a new star discovery after YOU
[18:22:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03bradley13 [3053] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Orbital Use Fees Proposed as the Most Effective Way to Solve the Space Junk Problem - 212 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:22:03] <exec> 08└─What a stupid idea. Put forward, undoubtedly, by someone who would stand to profit from these fees. an annual fee rising to about $235,000 per satellite would quadruple the value of the satellite industry by 2040
[18:22:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Orbital Use Fees Proposed as the Most Effective Way to Solve the Space Junk Problem - 657 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:22:06] <exec> 08└─They make as much cents (and dollars) as auctions for RF bandwidth. If we're going to get righteous about impact fees for space, how about we start down here in the mud and charge impact fees for things like plastic bottles that end up in the oceans, environmental and human medical costs of mercury...
[18:22:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Orbital Use Fees Proposed as the Most Effective Way to Solve the Space Junk Problem - 429 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:22:08] <exec> 08└─What if everything manufactured had the cost of its disposal factored in. Along with a "down payment" from the consumer to create incentive for them to return items to the proper recycling places. Especially electronic items with valuable metals. The environment is limited just as radio spectrum is...
[18:22:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03anotherblackhat [4722] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Orbital Use Fees Proposed as the Most Effective Way to Solve the Space Junk Problem - 67 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:22:10] <exec> 08└─They make as much cents (and dollars) as auctions for RF bandwidth.
[18:22:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03PiMuNu [3823] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Orbital Use Fees Proposed as the Most Effective Way to Solve the Space Junk Problem - 449 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:22:12] <exec> 08└─> require a bond: Pay a substantial fee into a blocked account; get it back when the satellite is successfully de-orbited. The cost is an ongoing operational cost to all other satellite owners and ground-based monitoring stations (typically run by governments), so this model doesn't make sense. Say...
[18:22:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Orbital Use Fees Proposed as the Most Effective Way to Solve the Space Junk Problem - 116 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:22:14] <exec> 08└─While space is big, it is not unlimited. Thus it may actually be necessary to manage it just as with radio spectrum.
[18:22:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03PiMuNu [3823] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Orbital Use Fees Proposed as the Most Effective Way to Solve the Space Junk Problem - 356 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:22:16] <exec> 08└─You are already paying quite a lot of taxes to manage this stuff. NASA and ESA run ground-based monitoring stations to monitor earth satellites. Government-owned satellites have to pack additional fuel in case they need to avoid other objects. To put it in economic terms, your taxes, if you pay tax...
[18:22:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Third European Service Module for Artemis Mission to Land Astronauts on the Moon - 1099 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:22:27] <exec> 08└─No, 2MT 108knots unlimited range unmanned - that's a different beast. The one I remember from early 2017 was a 20MT "base buster" intended to neutralize targets like King's Bay submarine base. I live a bit over 50 miles from King's Bay - 20MT going off there would be... unpleasant. I agree that "Spa...
[18:22:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Third European Service Module for Artemis Mission to Land Astronauts on the Moon - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:22:29] <exec> 08└─I live a bit over 50 miles from King's Bay - 20MT going off there would be... unpleasant.
[18:22:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06SHA-1 to be Disabled in OpenSSH and libssh - 260 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:22:49] <exec> 08└─On the other hand, if a user needs to connect to a legacy system, where updating to a more recent openssh implementation is not feasible, then forcing that user to install and run an old version of openssh (presumably unpatched) can make the world less secure.
[18:22:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06SHA-1 to be Disabled in OpenSSH and libssh - 66 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:22:50] <exec> 08└─I've had Firefox crash because a library it was using was updated.
[18:22:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06SHA-1 to be Disabled in OpenSSH and libssh - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:22:53] <exec> 08└─We can just wear masks and practice social distancing from MD5.
[18:23:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Programming Guide for Russia's "28nm" Elbrus-8CB CPU Published - 23 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:23:47] <exec> 08└─Russian Package Mangler
[18:24:09] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03richtopia [3160] 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 328 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:24:09] <exec> 08└─I've had customers who use both products. They are all bad. Microsoft products used to be the industry standard and more feature complete than Google, but Office 365 keeps providing headaches. I personally write as much as possible in MarkDown, but that is my personal stuff; I suspect a real busines...
[18:26:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheRaven [270] (Score: 2) 02 - 06White Hat Demonstrates Apple's (Lack of) Security Prowess - 798 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:26:21] <exec> 08└─In Apple's defence, the email address is untrusted in their model. It's not the unique ID, so if you do tamper with it and the service is correctly implemented then all you can do is make it send emails containing your data to the wrong person. It's a combination of Apple's bug and other people usin...
[18:26:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06White Hat Demonstrates Apple's (Lack of) Security Prowess - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:26:22] <exec> 08└─Hang on, I've heard this one before: the easiest way of using Apple's API was incorrectly
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[19:21:54] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03DannyB [5839] 02 - 06Orbital Use Fees Proposed as the Most Effective Way to Solve the Space Junk Problem - 429 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:21:54] <exec> 08└─What if everything manufactured had the cost of its disposal factored in. Along with a "down payment" from the consumer to create incentive for them to return items to the proper recycling places. Especially electronic items with valuable metals. The environment is limited just as radio spectrum is...
[19:21:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03PiMuNu [3823] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Orbital Use Fees Proposed as the Most Effective Way to Solve the Space Junk Problem - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:21:59] <exec> 08└─That model breaks down if the number of *active* satellites becomes large - e.g. massive 100k Elon Musk constellations.
[19:22:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Orbital Use Fees Proposed as the Most Effective Way to Solve the Space Junk Problem - 34 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:22:01] <exec> 08└─Exactly where is this money going?
[19:22:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Orbital Use Fees Proposed as the Most Effective Way to Solve the Space Junk Problem - 1287 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:22:03] <exec> 08└─As population continues to march onward to 10B+, we're going to need to mature to processes that do account for resources like the environment this way. If we could wind back human population to 200M or so, we could go back to dilution as the solution to pollution. We'd want to be a little intellige...
[19:22:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Orbital Use Fees Proposed as the Most Effective Way to Solve the Space Junk Problem - 68 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:22:06] <exec> 08└─No country is so deluded that it thinks it owns the ocean, or space.
[19:22:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Third European Service Module for Artemis Mission to Land Astronauts on the Moon - 33 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:22:16] <exec> 08└─I would have to see that segment.
[19:23:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03petecox [3228] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Programming Guide for Russia's "28nm" Elbrus-8CB CPU Published - 140 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:23:29] <exec> 08└─"translation + VLIW was judged an architectural dead end" Didn't Nvidia license some Transmeta code-morphing IP in their ARM 'Denver' cores?
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[20:21:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03epitaxial [3165] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 49 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:21:57] <exec> 08└─I come here to get a break from current politics.
[20:21:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03XivLacuna [6346] (Score: 2, Interesting) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 581 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:21:58] <exec> 08└─He was breathing air. Air must come from the lungs and get pushed through the larynx in order to make sounds. If you yell enough, you need to refill your lungs with air in order to continue yelling. Put light pressure on your throat and see how loud you can scream "I can't breathe!" Notice how your...
[20:22:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 48 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:22:00] <exec> 08└─Thank god we have trump in the white house, huh.
[20:22:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 659 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:22:02] <exec> 08└─Was wondering when this talking point would come up. Autopsy report confirmed he died of asphyxiation, AKA he couldn't breathre. To explain how this seems to go against your "Air must come from the lungs and get pushed through the larynx in order to make sounds" I refer you to https://en.wikipedia.o...
[20:22:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 493 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:22:05] <exec> 08└─Next time assholes like you will claim that Floyd isn't dead at all, that it's just a big conspiracy by the "libruls" to hurt Trump's campain. There was an officially released autopsy report. Floyd didn't die of a heart attack, he died of suffocation. But I'm sure you'll claim that the autopsy repor...
[20:22:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03donkeyhotay [2540] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 28 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:22:07] <exec> 08└─I agree. This is a bad idea.
[20:22:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 197 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:22:09] <exec> 08└─Averaging 1 per year https://www.kare11.com [kare11.com] I remember Justine, that was the yoga teacher
[20:22:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 613 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:22:11] <exec> 08└─This all took place in Minnesota. The governor, mayor, and attorney general are all so liberal they are communist. They owned this 100%. Theirs to handle in all their liberal wisdom. We see the liberal way just encouraged it to spiral out of control. From there it spread to other cities run by liber...
[20:22:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03RS3 [6367] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 16 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:22:14] <exec> 08└─You must be new.
[20:22:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 143 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:22:16] <exec> 08└─If George were white, he would still be alive. (all other things being equal, skin color as the only parameter) We wouldn't have this SN topic.
[20:22:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Orbital Use Fees Proposed as the Most Effective Way to Solve the Space Junk Problem - 250 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:22:41] <exec> 08└─China claims the whole South China Sea, despite the fact that this contains a number of islands that belong to other countries, or simply are other countries. As usual, China claims everything it can see, and everyone else must simply be subservient.
[20:23:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06A New Theorem Predicts that Stationary Black Holes Must Have at Least One Light Ring - 129 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:23:25] <exec> 08└─I think the intent of the 'stationary black holes' nomenclature is to distinguish between rotating, and non-rotating black holes.
[20:23:32] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03MostCynical [2589] 02 - 06Walmart's Anti-shoplifting "AI" Technology May Pose Health Hazard - 96 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:23:33] <exec> 08└─workers are given handheld devices that allow them to handle most interventions from a distance,
[20:23:40] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Thexalon [636] 02 - 06Walmart's Anti-shoplifting "AI" Technology May Pose Health Hazard - 1636 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:23:40] <exec> 08└─The funny thing is that defenders of big business routinely argue that the reason retailers want to replace humans with machines is because those humans demand too many pay raises and occasionally say the word "union", while carefully ignoring the fact that retailers will gladly replace humans with...
[20:23:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Freeman [732] (Score: 2) 02 - 06New Stretchable, Self-Healing and Illuminating Electronic Material for Wearables and Soft Robots - 122 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:23:49] <exec> 08└─While the tech sounds cool, like nano-crystal displays, if it survives, it will be ready for production in 10 to 20 years.
[20:25:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 1335 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:25:04] <exec> 08└─The 'moat' in office suites is Excel expertise. LibreOffice Calc and even Google Sheets have a colossal set of features, but if you're an Excel power user the opportunity cost of climbing the learning curve to switch your funky ten sheet, five-hundred-formula sheet to an alternative is just too high...
[20:25:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 111 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:25:05] <exec> 08└─When I want to exchange between Microsoft Word and Libreoffice I save as .doc. It works much better than .docx.
[20:25:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 20 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:25:07] <exec> 08└─Have you tried lout?
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[21:21:48] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Anonymous Coward 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 659 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:21:49] <exec> 08└─Was wondering when this talking point would come up. Autopsy report confirmed he died of asphyxiation, AKA he couldn't breathre. To explain how this seems to go against your "Air must come from the lungs and get pushed through the larynx in order to make sounds" I refer you to https://en.wikipedia.o...
[21:21:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 797 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:21:56] <exec> 08└─I haven't followed too closely, was it a little cop with his knee on the neck? There are all kinds of training surrounding safe restraint, etc. but - in the field, if you do something and it works... I wouldn't be surprised if the knee to the neck is something this cop has done in the past, possibly...
[21:21:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03martyb [76] (Score: 4, Informative) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 49 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:21:58] <exec> 08└─I come here to get a break from current politics.
[21:21:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 468 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:22:00] <exec> 08└─That's not entirely true. Minneapolis isn't Atlanta. White people get arrested too, and if the cop thinks you're a threat- need to be subdued, he's going to do the subduing for his own safety whether the perp is white, black, yellow, etc. Now, are cops more afraid of black perps and more likely to d...
[21:22:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 1793 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:22:02] <exec> 08└─I predict that this tread will go places. Not sure if it's going to be the popcorn tread of the week or not. But it's probably not going to be very nice. That said it seems that Floyd once was something of a career-criminal back in Texas. I guess it shouldn't matter, but it somehow makes it harder t...
[21:22:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 472 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:22:05] <exec> 08└─We're already discussing this extensively. Three of the four most recent journal entries on the front page are about this: https://soylentnews.org [soylentnews.org] https://soylentnews.org [soylentnews.org] https://soylentnews.org [soylentnews.o...
[21:22:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 162 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:22:07] <exec> 08└─I'd rather have a place for it to go, then spill all over into random articles. But then again, we've seen how well that thought went with other political topics.
[21:22:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03martyb [76] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:22:09] <exec> 08└─I haven't followed too closely, was it a little cop with his knee on the neck?
[21:22:10] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03EJ [2452] 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 697 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:22:11] <exec> 08└─These riots aren't about Mr. Floyd. Sure, they should have arrested the murderer right away, but they did arrest him. They charged them. There is nothing to really riot about until we get the verdict and the sentence. These riots are about anger and frustration. Mr. Floyd's murder was just the tippi...
[21:22:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 978 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:22:13] <exec> 08└─Simple question. I don't entirely understand what the protesters hope to achieve. Justice was already served in this case, extremely rapidly. And these sort of cases are becoming increasingly rare. You're never going to see a 0% incident rate anymore than you could protest your way to a 0% murder ra...
[21:22:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 157 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:22:16] <exec> 08└─Nice try, martyb! This cannot but end in racist MAGA thugs crossing a street to tear gas priests to use their church for a photo op, or some thing like that.
[21:22:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 937 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:22:18] <exec> 08└─For reference, my 125lb 17 year old son (with severe Autism) cut his foot on some glass and we went to the ER. He was cooperative right up to the point where the needle came out for the stitches - wasn't having any of that - but the doc on duty told us he needed stitches an alternative like cyanoacr...
[21:22:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 2331 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:22:20] <exec> 08└─No one is saying that George Floyd was some kind of saint. Go ahead and watch the video posted with TFS. At around 11:20, we see a thoroughly subdued and handcuffed (he was handcuffed at about 3:00 or so) George Floyd prone, with his face on the pavement. He is handcuffed and not resisting in any wa...
[21:22:21] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03PiMuNu [3823] 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 157 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:22:22] <exec> 08└─Crazy world. The US government is in the process of *declaring protesters are terrorists* and *moving troops onto the streets to suppress political protests*
[21:22:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 669 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:22:24] <exec> 08└─Abolish all policing: https://www.city-journal.org [city-journal.org] https://www.inquirer.com [inquirer.com] https://www.chicagoreader.com
[21:22:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03SomeGuy [5632] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 1572 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:22:26] <exec> 08└─There really are some technical aspects of this mess that could be discussed. Watching some of the protesting/rioting on broadcast TV the other day when they first announced a curfew, it just seemed strange to me that they could not seem to get the message across to the protesters. I think there wer...
[21:22:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03mhajicek [51] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 212 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:22:29] <exec> 08└─I don't have the link handy (on my phone) but search for the additional video that was released later. They had him in the car, looked like they were beating him there, then they brought him back out to kill him.
[21:22:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Insightful) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 533 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:22:31] <exec> 08└─Is murder really political? I get it that the POTUS has been trying to use the mass response to this tragedy to rile up his base. But, for the rest of the country (and the world, for that matter), murder is a tragedy. And, regular abuses of power, including murder, by law enforcement is an outrage....
[21:22:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03RS3 [6367] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 180 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:22:33] <exec> 08└─Not sure if it's really their intent, but I think it's just going to stir things up, maybe a little like inciting a riot. They'll certainly get lots of comments in this discussion.
[21:22:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Booga1 [6333] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 126 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:22:35] <exec> 08└─If all you want to do is subdue someone with unrestrained force, one little cop with a billy club can knock out a bigger perp.
[21:22:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 252 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:22:38] <exec> 08└─These protests are about anger and frustration with police use of deadly force, which was on full display in this case. Mr. Floyd's murder was just the tipping point. It was the thing that lit the fuse on a bomb that was already about to go off anyway.
[21:22:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03RS3 [6367] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 54 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:22:40] <exec> 08└─And I think George was handcuffed behind his back (?).
[21:22:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03helel [2949] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 472 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:22:42] <exec> 08└─They fired him but refused to charge him until the precinct was burned down. Only when it became clear they needed to do something did they slap some charges on Chauvin. Even now the other two officers who helped him commit murder remain uncharged and the third who protected them while they did it h...
[21:22:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03RS3 [6367] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 188 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:22:44] <exec> 08└─All that, and possibly piss them off to extreme fear/rage and you're in much bigger trouble. Pepper spray sometimes works, and sometimes you've got a very angry animal wanting to kill you.
[21:22:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03tizan [3245] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 816 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:22:46] <exec> 08└─Protests is the mark of a boiling point... talking of other context The French or revolution for e.g was not just organized rebellion ....it was the building up of frustration and lack of any hope and not seeing any improvement in ones life... if you are hungry and there is no food and you see the r...
[21:22:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03PartTimeZombie [4827] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 116 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:22:49] <exec> 08└─These riots are about the overwhelming atmosphere of dread that has surrounded the world during this viral lockdown.
[21:22:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 663 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:22:51] <exec> 08└─On the other hand, "can't breathe" often means respiratory distress that isn't full arrest. If the cop hadn't used excessive force, even after the subject lost consciousness, he would also still be alive. It isn't unknown for people to continue trying to communicate until they pass out when a lung c...
[21:22:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 356 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:22:53] <exec> 08└─I don't entirely understand what the protesters hope to achieve. Justice was already served in this case, extremely rapidly. And these sort of cases are becoming increasingly rare. You're never going to see a 0% incident rate anymore than you could protest your way to a 0% murder rate. So what is su...
[21:22:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03RS3 [6367] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 231 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:22:55] <exec> 08└─There have been too many cases of white cops and black corpses, and the cops getting away with it. Plus, everyone has been cooped up, seething, feeling bad about themselves and situation, etc. It all reached critical mass and boom.
[21:22:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 2032 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:22:57] <exec> 08└─I can't believe some people actually believe this. Watch this [youtube.com] video and then come back to your comment. That is the body cam footage in the police murder of Daniel Shaver [wikipedia.org]. Nearly all of these incidents involves drugs (amphetamines/PCP/etc), resisting arrest, and so on....
[21:22:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 352 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:22:59] <exec> 08└─The guy was laying on his belly with his wrists bound behind him. One cop holding his ankles, one kneeling on his neck. He wasn't going anywhere. He would also not be going anywhere had the cop shifted his weight down to the lower back where suffocation wouldn't be a risk. When you continue "subduin...
[21:23:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03PartTimeZombie [4827] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 385 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:23:01] <exec> 08└─Yup. I have just finished reading a book about the 1956 Hungarian Revolution, and it strikes me there are some parallels. The Hungarian Revolution started with no actual leaders, just a whole bunch of people who were sick of the status quo and saw no other way of improving their lot. Of course, t...
[21:23:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:23:04] <exec> 08└─cleanly and safely with a blow to the head is Hollywood stuff.
[21:23:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03PartTimeZombie [4827] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 58 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:23:06] <exec> 08└─The protesters knew about the curfew and were ignoring it.
[21:23:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:23:08] <exec> 08└─He wasn't going anywhere.
[21:23:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 1425 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:23:10] <exec> 08└─I don't understand why there isn't more agreement among people on this issue. The data suggest that black people are more likely to vote for Democrats than a lot of white people. This corresponds somewhat to liberal and conservative attitudes. But it seems like liberals and conservatives should have...
[21:23:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 87 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:23:12] <exec> 08└─I wonder if some people actually like to show the entire world how clueless they are...
[21:23:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03MostCynical [2589] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:23:14] <exec> 08└─come on - this is SN- no one reads TFA, and few read the whole of TFS.
[21:23:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 266 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:23:17] <exec> 08└─You're still factoring in rational thought on the part of the arrested. People will try to break away and run until they physically cannot anymore, doesn't matter how hopeless the larger situation is - if they can get away in the moment, there are many who will try.
[21:23:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03ilPapa [2366] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Orbital Use Fees Proposed as the Most Effective Way to Solve the Space Junk Problem - 43 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:23:41] <exec> 08└─Just make the checks out to Donald J Trump.
[21:24:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score: 2) 02 - 06SHA-1 to be Disabled in OpenSSH and libssh - 615 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:24:15] <exec> 08└─The correct solution is to make the client prefer something better than SHA1 if available, and if not, use SHA1 and issue a dire warning. On the server side, no longer offer SHA1 as an option. That way, I can use the new and maintained ssh client for everything including the embedded device with no...
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[22:21:50] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03epitaxial [3165] 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 49 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:21:50] <exec> 08└─I come here to get a break from current politics.
[22:22:01] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03martyb [76] 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 49 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:22:02] <exec> 08└─I come here to get a break from current politics.
[22:22:12] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Anonymous Coward 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 2331 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:22:12] <exec> 08└─No one is saying that George Floyd was some kind of saint. Go ahead and watch the video posted with TFS. At around 11:20, we see a thoroughly subdued and handcuffed (he was handcuffed at about 3:00 or so) George Floyd prone, with his face on the pavement. He is handcuffed and not resisting in any wa...
[22:22:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03martyb [76] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 1225 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:22:39] <exec> 08└─I don't see riots as being a "path to success". There's likely no forethought about it. I see it as an expression of long-standing suffering and frustration. Have you ever worked hard towards a goal (say a promotion) and someone else who was not as well qualified got it instead of you? How did that...
[22:22:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Interesting) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 539 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:22:41] <exec> 08└─Disagree. 1) Only one of the four cops was charged. Shouldn't the other three be help accountable, though on lesser charges? 2) There's a toxic culture in law enforcement if it's more important to have your partner's back than to intervene when your partner is clearly in the wrong. There's also the...
[22:22:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Informative) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 143 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:22:43] <exec> 08└─A lot of the riots are being instigated by opportunistic groups like anarchists and white supremacists, not the people organizing the protests.
[22:22:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03martyb [76] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 66 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:22:45] <exec> 08└─So nice of you to be the first to mention MAGA in this discussion.
[22:22:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03RamiK [1813] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 897 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:22:47] <exec> 08└─I'm no coroner and don't play one on TV, but: 1. Cardiac arrhythmias and asphyxia often follow even in healthy people as the heart races to pump as much oxygen as possible in cases where the airways are blocked so if he had a heart attack, it was still the direct result of the suffocation. 2. The re...
[22:22:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 240 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:22:49] <exec> 08└─You were on a roll, right up to: 'Back in the day' there was far worse racism in the US, yet police brutality was relatively speaking almost nonexistent. But that's also because the sort of violence we see today was also mostly nonexistent.
[22:22:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 191 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:22:51] <exec> 08└─Why, then, have we been polarized on this issue? If anything, there should be a lot of common ground here between the left and a good portion of the right. This shouldn't be a divisive issue.
[22:22:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 330 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:22:54] <exec> 08└─I don't doubt it's horrifying, cops screw up all the time. This is their job, day in and day out. Most of them don't think for a second about the medical well-being of their detained. I hope they're charged, I hope they're convicted - if the past is anything to go by, a light sentence will result in...
[22:22:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 359 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:22:56] <exec> 08└─Not just MAGA, MAGA Thugs! But, seriously, you were just asking for it. Now let me direct a horde of Anti Fascists in the general direction of SN. But, actually we do not need them, because Soylentils are creatures of extraordinary peace and justice, so the Trump supporting trolls will be dealt wit...
[22:22:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:22:58] <exec> 08└─I'm shocked at the quantity of pepper spray being used... do they have a stockpile that's about to expire or what?
[22:22:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 64 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:23:00] <exec> 08└─I don't entirely understand what the protesters hope to achieve.
[22:23:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 351 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:23:02] <exec> 08└─No, the orange man would say that GP is the best commenter he's ever seen, that no one is better. Then he'd say that GP was useless, that you never ever could get one sensible word from him. Then he'd say he's never even heard of the guy. Then he'd say the GP is part of a big democrat conspiracy to...
[22:23:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 192 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:23:05] <exec> 08└─I got a curfew notice on my cellphone - like an Amber alert (which, I thought I had turned all those off, I guess this one was higher priority) - at 4pm and again at 7:30pm for the 8pm curfew.
[22:23:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 134 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:23:07] <exec> 08└─Of course, putting in stitches requires more control of movement than tossing someone into the back of a cop car and closing the door.
[22:23:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 1179 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:23:09] <exec> 08└─I don't think it is so much about POUTS POTUS. I think it is about institutionalized racism in [some] police departments. Acceptance of it by partners, other officers, supervisors and maybe the police chief or mayor. Unwillingness to address it. How long ago was the Rodney King beating? March 3, 199...
[22:23:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03krishnoid [1156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 87 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:23:11] <exec> 08└─Probably not receiving any kind of alert unless they were already "signed up" for crap.
[22:23:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 160 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:23:13] <exec> 08└─that would have been a good place for drones with loudspeakers. (Or just put blinking blue LEDs on them, and everyone would just follow them in to a river :P ).
[22:23:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:23:16] <exec> 08└─You know, "they" must be holding George Floyd in the basement of a Washington DC pizza shop.
[22:23:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:23:18] <exec> 08└─Yup. Your DOTUS has already been talking about deploying the military domestically. That police state is coming along nicely, don't you think?
[22:23:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:23:20] <exec> 08└─See: Rodney King trial from 1991 beating and riots that followed. We ain't learned nothin' scents.
[22:23:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 183 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:23:22] <exec> 08└─I don't doubt it's horrifying, cops screw up all the time. This is their job, day in and day out. Most of them don't think for a second about the medical well-being of their detained.
[22:23:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Joe Desertrat [2454] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 191 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:23:24] <exec> 08└─Why, then, have we been polarized on this issue? If anything, there should be a lot of common ground here between the left and a good portion of the right. This shouldn't be a divisive issue.
[22:23:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 156 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:23:26] <exec> 08└─Thus: 8 orderlies + 2 doses of ketamine. Still, when they started with only 4 and one dose of ketamine, he almost got off the bed with them all holding him.
[22:23:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 301 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:23:29] <exec> 08└─I'd say the US government is well under the thumb of non-democratically controlled powers. It's just that these powers have a residential addresses inside the country and many PO boxes outside of it, but as far as the official US representational structure is concerned, they might as well be foreign...
[22:23:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 57 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:23:31] <exec> 08└─I'm shocked at the quantity of pepper spray being used...
[22:23:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 178 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:23:33] <exec> 08└─Swapped the corpse with a soldier from a training accident, whole thing was staged, MAGA! /s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s/s
[22:23:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 201 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:23:35] <exec> 08└─This guy is saying that the riots are "a coordinated FOREIGN attack on the US." [twitter.com] Black Lives Matter supports foreign terrorists [imemc.org] so maybe they got some friends to help them out.
[22:23:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score: 1) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 301 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:23:37] <exec> 08└─There's something like 96-98% agreement that the officers' acts where horrific and that policing needs to change. I doubt there's as much support for destroying the neighborhoods and livelihoods of people who agree with the protestors and who also had nothing at all to do with what happened to Floyd...
[22:23:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 330 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:23:39] <exec> 08└─Nope, I'm factoring in physics. This guy wasn't Andre the Giant, he didn't have enough strength to get away. Then he was unconscious and a 4 year old could have held him. In wrestling, it's called pinned (though you have to have them on their back for that. When pinned, wrestlers rarely stop struggl...
[22:23:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 206 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:23:41] <exec> 08└─Well since that was the core message behind the POTUS's campaign I think it is fair. How come I never see this tone trolling stuff against the conservative shitposters? Hmmmmmm, no sarcasm tags, suspeeshus.
[22:23:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:23:44] <exec> 08└─They're getting him fitted for suits because he seems more lively and with-it than Biden.
[22:23:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:23:46] <exec> 08└─These protests are mostly just giving way to bad actors who have successfully turned them into riots
[22:23:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score: 1) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 157 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:23:48] <exec> 08└─We could speculate he'd be alive if he was white, but that speculation might simply confirm biases: https://www.youtube.com [youtube.com]
[22:23:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 67 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:23:50] <exec> 08└─Probably because he wasn't handcuffed and flipped onto his stomach.
[22:23:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 351 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:23:52] <exec> 08└─We get it, people can be hard to restrain. Are you perhaps suggesting one of the orderlies should have gotten on the bed and held a knee to your son's throat? Or are there perhaps better ways to restrain someone that doesn't involve imminent danger of bodily injury and/or death? You need to stop arg...
[22:23:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:23:54] <exec> 08└─Yeah no, the lockdown made a larger group of people available to protest that is all.
[22:23:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 645 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:23:57] <exec> 08└─In addition, even with that damning video evidence, it took the prosecutors four days to get around to charging anyone. If a gangbanger did that, they'd have them arrested immediately, at least for assault and battery, and locked up - subject to bail. They wouldn't give them four days to skip town....
[22:24:13] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03PiMuNu [3823] 02 - 06Orbital Use Fees Proposed as the Most Effective Way to Solve the Space Junk Problem - 449 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:24:13] <exec> 08└─> require a bond: Pay a substantial fee into a blocked account; get it back when the satellite is successfully de-orbited. The cost is an ongoing operational cost to all other satellite owners and ground-based monitoring stations (typically run by governments), so this model doesn't make sense. Say...
[22:24:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03PartTimeZombie [4827] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Orbital Use Fees Proposed as the Most Effective Way to Solve the Space Junk Problem - 227 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:24:22] <exec> 08└─There is no point in explaining any of that to the A/C's who post using the term "leftist". They have no clue what they're whittering on about, and don't care about your facts. Reality is just some Democrat conspiracy to them.
[22:24:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Orbital Use Fees Proposed as the Most Effective Way to Solve the Space Junk Problem - 169 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:24:25] <exec> 08└─Now, if they were serious, what they could do is require a bond: Pay a substantial fee into a blocked account; get it back when the satellite is successfully de-orbited.
[22:24:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Third European Service Module for Artemis Mission to Land Astronauts on the Moon - 117 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:24:36] <exec> 08└─Did anyone else get slightly nauseous the 20th time you heard the phrase [ ...phrase removed for your protection... ]
[22:24:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Third European Service Module for Artemis Mission to Land Astronauts on the Moon - 243 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:24:38] <exec> 08└─I was living next to the Houston Space Center when Bush (W) announced "his bold initiative to return to the moon." Nobody got terribly excited about it, good news to be sure, some more money, less layoffs in the near term, but hardly credible.
[22:24:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Third European Service Module for Artemis Mission to Land Astronauts on the Moon - 408 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:24:40] <exec> 08└─They could definitely do it by 2024 if they wanted to. Build the dumb Lunar Gateway segments, launch them with Falcon Heavy rockets, send astronauts*, use the lander module. The technology involved is not novel. Will it happen on time? Meh. 2028 was the original plan. NASA no longer counting on Gate...
[22:25:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06SHA-1 to be Disabled in OpenSSH and libssh - 66 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:25:04] <exec> 08└─Maybe the other kind of nursery, where they grow trees and plants?
[22:25:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06SHA-1 to be Disabled in OpenSSH and libssh - 106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:25:06] <exec> 08└─And what part in the GP's comment led you to the conclusion that the legacy system was internet-connected?
[22:25:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06SHA-1 to be Disabled in OpenSSH and libssh - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:25:08] <exec> 08└─That problem could happen to any program if underlying libraries are replaced under your nose.
[22:25:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03tizan [3245] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Walmart's Anti-shoplifting "AI" Technology May Pose Health Hazard - 184 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:25:35] <exec> 08└─During the pandemic they have enclosed their liquor behind section lock and key...you have to press a button and wait for a humaaan to come and unlock it and carry it to the cashier !!
[22:25:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Interesting) 02 - 06Walmart's Anti-shoplifting "AI" Technology May Pose Health Hazard - 115 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:25:37] <exec> 08└─...at least 20 Walmart associates have now died after contracting the coronavirus, according to United For Respect.
[22:27:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03darkfeline [1030] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 143 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:27:02] <exec> 08└─I think not being to access corporate memorabilia is the least of your worries when a modern large organization loses complete Internet access.
[22:30:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 1482 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:30:07] <exec> 08└─You're comparing apples to oranges here. First off, I didn't include IIS because Novell didn't include a first-party web server, at least with NW 3.12. I'm happy to trash IIS all day long, but let's get some facts straight. IIS running as SYSTEM is no different from the fact that NetWare runs in rin...
[22:30:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:30:08] <exec> 08└─The firewall was hidden in Proxy Server, and I'm not entirely sure it was a winsock level firewall; I haven't had a chance to take it apart yet.
[22:30:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 439 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:30:10] <exec> 08└─The great irony it being in Ring 0 meant that if you could smash a stack anywhere, you've won. NetWare itself though didn't exactly offer much. You got file and print sharing, with netbooting capability ... and that's about it. If you added in additional NLMs, that story changes somewhat but you'd s...
[22:30:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 482 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:30:13] <exec> 08└─The addon board is a weird thing, I actually remember that because we upgraded the memory in the LaserJet once. HP had the LaserJet 4, and the LaserJet 4M which was for Macintosh but the only real difference was the postscript board. There was also the 4N for Network and 4MN for both; the card you s...
[22:30:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 1054 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:30:15] <exec> 08└─I had a Sony VAIO with ME as hand-me-down. I never had any serious issues with it even with System Restore, although I had to do one of the DOS mode hacks for the few legacy programs I kept around. LGR recently installed ME on one of his machines and honestly didn't find it bad. I think ME gets a fa...
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[23:21:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Atmospheric Scientists Identify Cleanest Air on Earth in First-of-Its-Kind Study - 115 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:21:43] <exec> 08└─The cleanest air on the planet was coming out of her ass. I begged to differ. We're divorced now, you be the judge.
[23:21:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Atmospheric Scientists Identify Cleanest Air on Earth in First-of-Its-Kind Study - 192 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:21:44] <exec> 08└─》 It looks like Maatsuyker Island off the south coast of Tasmania is the cleanest air you're going to get. Cold comfort when a Tasmanian devil is kneeling on your neck and you can't breathe.
[23:22:02] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03DannyB [5839] 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 143 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:22:02] <exec> 08└─If George were white, he would still be alive. (all other things being equal, skin color as the only parameter) We wouldn't have this SN topic.
[23:23:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 728 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:23:19] <exec> 08└─You're coming off as a real jackass in here. Attempts to explain why Chauvin HAD to murder Floyd because he was "resisting" and now protesters are just bored emotional people with too much time? There were similar protests in 2014 for Eric Garner, there have been similar protests happening for decad...
[23:23:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 773 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:23:21] <exec> 08└─I think that when there is a major world topic that you wish to avoid you should just not click on the headline, nor comment. Just skip it. On the other hand, many of the rest of us are geeks and nerds that are interested in how technology and society interact. For us, the dissemination patterns of...
[23:23:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 36 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:23:23] <exec> 08└─Protesters need to #StayTheFuckHome.
[23:23:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 265 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:23:25] <exec> 08└─Superb point and pragmatic action. gj Martyb. Thank you for providing a 'chaff bin' for this to be swept into, so it won't corrupt other topics. Also so that those of us who wish to converse about it, can, in the way that we prefer - the soylent threaded-topic way!
[23:23:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 80 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:23:27] <exec> 08└─ONE RING TO RULE THEM ALL, ONE... woops nevermind, that's just a Happy Meal toy.
[23:23:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 48 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:23:29] <exec> 08└─Actually, a knee to the neck is pretty low-tech.
[23:23:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Informative) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 187 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:23:31] <exec> 08└─I doubt there's as much support for destroying the neighborhoods and livelihoods of people who agree with the protestors and who also had nothing at all to do with what happened to Floyd.
[23:23:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 66 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:23:34] <exec> 08└─The dead guy on "Weekend at Bernie's" was more with it than Biden.
[23:23:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:23:36] <exec> 08└─I seriously doubt the cops intended to kill him. Even without the riots, the paperwork is a major PITA.
[23:23:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 154 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:23:38] <exec> 08└─Protesters peacefully march and yell and get attention. Terrorists loot, kill, maim, and set fire to buildings and churches. Not such a difficult concept.
[23:23:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 834 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:23:40] <exec> 08└─So what if he does? He's shackled. The cops know that if he tries he'll fail. There's no threat to him attempting beyond falling on his face and hurting himself. He's not going to bite a gun out of their holster and start hurting people. That incapacitation is why procedure had them shackle him. Aft...
[23:23:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 331 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:23:42] <exec> 08└─A lot of black politicians and other black leaders are coming out saying that, and appropriately worried that blacks will continue to be labeled as criminals, violent, etc. I say, shoot the looters and arsonists. There are really only a few that instigate, and many marginal sheep that follow. Just s...
[23:23:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:23:44] <exec> 08└─Yeesh, tasteless "comedy" modded up? Hopefully it is the AC's own jizz sock account with the +mod.
[23:23:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06George Floyd Dead - Officers Fired and Charged - Discuss it Here - 72 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:23:47] <exec> 08└─The pandemic trumps everything. Burn the Constitution. Shut it all down.
[23:24:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Orbital Use Fees Proposed as the Most Effective Way to Solve the Space Junk Problem - 152 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:24:15] <exec> 08└─I consider myself to be a radical leftist, what do you believe I should call myself? I'm not a member of a political party, so how do I describe myself?
[23:24:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03darkfeline [1030] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Orbital Use Fees Proposed as the Most Effective Way to Solve the Space Junk Problem - 263 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:24:16] <exec> 08└─> how about we start down here in the mud and charge impact fees for things like plastic bottles that end up in the oceans But we do (if you live in one of states with deposit laws)? That deposit is what you're getting back if you return the bottle for recycling.
[23:24:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Orbital Use Fees Proposed as the Most Effective Way to Solve the Space Junk Problem - 260 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:24:19] <exec> 08└─Progressive Democrats have such a sharp handle on reality they thought making a sacrificial offer of a *police station* to the rioters/arsonists would make them stop rioting and committing arson. Lack of police in the streets would stop the criminality. WTF???
[23:24:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Orbital Use Fees Proposed as the Most Effective Way to Solve the Space Junk Problem - 147 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:24:21] <exec> 08└─Minor New England states are not nearly as important or impactful as they think they are. Plastic bottle deposits never really caught on elsewhere.
[23:25:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06SHA-1 to be Disabled in OpenSSH and libssh - 260 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:25:02] <exec> 08└─On the other hand, if a user needs to connect to a legacy system, where updating to a more recent openssh implementation is not feasible, then forcing that user to install and run an old version of openssh (presumably unpatched) can make the world less secure.
[23:25:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03darkfeline [1030] (Score: 2) 02 - 06SHA-1 to be Disabled in OpenSSH and libssh - 455 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:25:04] <exec> 08└─I can't speak for Windows (and it shows in their track record), but both Android and iOS do extensive testing. Think datacenter rooms filled with test devices all having new builds of Android/iOS constantly being installed on them and running integration tests. It helps guarantee a baseline of stabi...
[23:25:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06SHA-1 to be Disabled in OpenSSH and libssh - 371 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:25:06] <exec> 08└─And? Things like Firefox and Apache and other daemons, to name a few, use multiple processes working in concert in a single program. If different processes of the program start at different times, then you can easily run into the situation where they are using different versions of the same library....
[23:25:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06SHA-1 to be Disabled in OpenSSH and libssh - 81 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:25:08] <exec> 08└─Here is one to make you shudder: I know legacy systems in use today that use MD4.
[23:25:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03darkfeline [1030] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Walmart's Anti-shoplifting "AI" Technology May Pose Health Hazard - 372 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:25:37] <exec> 08└─>at least 20 Walmart associates have now died after contracting the coronavirus Not to downplay the coronavirus, but it really helps to have a sense of scale. How many Walmart associates do you think would have died in traffic collisions and other common causes over 6+ months in normal conditions? 2...
[23:26:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03AHuxley [254] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Programming Guide for Russia's "28nm" Elbrus-8CB CPU Published - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:26:05] <exec> 08└─We got PRISM in the free West.
[23:27:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03darkfeline [1030] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Google Docs vs. Microsoft Word: Which Works Better for Business? - 810 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:27:05] <exec> 08└─Because documents by themselves are useless. No one enjoys writing and then reading their own processed document except madmen. The entire value of documents comes from sharing them with other people, collaboratively editing and commenting on them, and for organizations, controlling access to the do...
[23:30:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 342 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:30:14] <exec> 08└─NetWare had Snipes [wikipedia.org] included in most versions, although its not on my copy or if it is, I haven't found it. It was shipped in Personal NetWare though. It was a homage to the original inspiration for creating NetWare which was a multiplayer network game on mainframes. Also, you can mas...
[23:30:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Retrotech: The Novell NetWare Experience - 1125 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:30:16] <exec> 08└─I can't remember what RAID controller it was, just that it was driving some SCSI HDDs because I had to install a spare SCSI card just to see how badly the disks got trashed. As far as I can remember, one of the disks decided to tap out, but the RAID declared that one good, and the other one bad, and...
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