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[00:32:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score: 2) 02 - 06First Peanut Allergy Treatment Gains Backing From FDA Advisory Panel - 408 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:32:53] <exec> 08└─We have a link shortener for soylentnews.org links that we use for bender the IRC bot as well as Twitter and FB at sylnt.us. It spurts out https://sylnt.us [sylnt.us] where $foo is a short jumble of letters that has no relation at all to what's in the story. The universe, however, appears to ha...
[00:32:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06First Peanut Allergy Treatment Gains Backing From FDA Advisory Panel - 12 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:32:55] <exec> 08└─See subject.
[00:32:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06First Peanut Allergy Treatment Gains Backing From FDA Advisory Panel - 133 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:32:57] <exec> 08└─The next Windows story will be at https://sylnt.us [sylnt.us] I also see "Optional custom short URL" so maybe it wasn't random.
[00:33:13] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03istartedi [123] 02 - 06Once or Twice Weekly Daytime Nap, But Not More, Linked to Lower Heart Attack/Stroke Risk - 183 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:33:13] <exec> 08└─I find that when I nap, it's usually because I've pushed myself on some physical work or recreation. The extra work might be what makes you healthier. The nap might just be an affect.
[00:33:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03number11 [1170] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Once or Twice Weekly Daytime Nap, But Not More, Linked to Lower Heart Attack/Stroke Risk - 658 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:33:19] <exec> 08└─So the ones who were older, male, smokers, overweight or had sleep apnea took a lot of naps, and were more likely to die. No shit, Sherlock, all of those things are contraindicated for long lifespan. But I strongly doubt that taking fewer naps would have made them live longer. Sounds like being unhe...
[00:34:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Aussies to Trial Small Nuclear Reactors to Replace Coal - 32 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:34:52] <exec> 08└─Dingo didn't pay [wikipedia.org]
[00:36:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Microsoft's Fix for CPU-Hogging Windows Bug Wrecks Desktop Search - 156 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:36:58] <exec> 08└─"Halo was the name of the ancient weapon that could, and once did, wipe out all sentient life in the galaxy.." And here I thought that was Microsoft itself!
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[01:32:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Informative) 02 - 06First Peanut Allergy Treatment Gains Backing From FDA Advisory Panel - 215 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:32:53] <exec> 08└─I was just going to ask the same question. Perhaps because dumbass parents think raising their kids in a mostly sterile enviroment is healthy instead of letting them play in the dirt and build their immunity system.
[01:32:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06First Peanut Allergy Treatment Gains Backing From FDA Advisory Panel - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:32:55] <exec> 08└─Kids’ lack of exposure to peanuts, however, seems to have an unintended consequence: more peanut allergies.
[01:32:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score: 2) 02 - 06First Peanut Allergy Treatment Gains Backing From FDA Advisory Panel - 115 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:32:57] <exec> 08└─Short link creation is scripted in an IRC bot that most of us ward off with garlic and crosses rather than poke at.
[01:32:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06First Peanut Allergy Treatment Gains Backing From FDA Advisory Panel - 111 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:32:59] <exec> 08└─Bad news for Big Pharma. Because no patent protection and the the cost of generics will be, well, just peanuts.
[01:33:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06First Peanut Allergy Treatment Gains Backing From FDA Advisory Panel - 217 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:33:01] <exec> 08└─FDA had to approve this thing. As a biologic instead of a chemical. It's a new area and they may be able to keep the scam going for some time. "Oh, we use only the finest and most allergenically sensitive of peenuts."
[01:33:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Mykl [1112] (Score: 2) 02 - 06First Peanut Allergy Treatment Gains Backing From FDA Advisory Panel - 580 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:33:03] <exec> 08└─I RTFA, and it appears that Big Pharma actually can still make millions by selling overpriced Peanut Flour. In summary, doctors need to prescribe something, and something that's on the approved list will get them paid, whereas something that's not approved (even if it's just peanut flour bought down...
[01:33:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06First Peanut Allergy Treatment Gains Backing From FDA Advisory Panel - 191 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:33:05] <exec> 08└─https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4004710/ [nih.gov] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov [nih.gov] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov [nih.gov]
[01:33:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06First Peanut Allergy Treatment Gains Backing From FDA Advisory Panel - 107 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:33:07] <exec> 08└─I RTFA, and it appears that Big Pharma actually can still make millions by selling overpriced Peanut Flour.
[01:33:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score: 2) 02 - 06First Peanut Allergy Treatment Gains Backing From FDA Advisory Panel - 67 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:33:09] <exec> 08└─Part of it is pregnant women following bad advice to avoid peanuts.
[01:33:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03RedIsNotGreen [2191] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Once or Twice Weekly Daytime Nap, But Not More, Linked to Lower Heart Attack/Stroke Risk - 179 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:33:32] <exec> 08└─Before agriculture and industry, we slept whenever we felt tired, more on rainy days, less on other days, naps whenever, and so on. Our bodies are not evolved for strict regimens.
[01:35:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03caffeine [249] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Aussies to Trial Small Nuclear Reactors to Replace Coal - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:35:05] <exec> 08└─You left out the most important factor in choosing a design, how much each company donates to the Liberal Party.
[01:35:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Aussies to Trial Small Nuclear Reactors to Replace Coal - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:35:07] <exec> 08└─Clearly, not enough. Proof: the prime minister of Australia labelling the idea as being 'loopy'
[01:35:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Russia Complains About Facebook And Google Election Ads - 54 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:35:51] <exec> 08└─Turnabout is fair play, Ivan. boris. its always boris.
[01:35:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Russia Complains About Facebook And Google Election Ads - 441 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:35:53] <exec> 08└─For Democrats to be in such a tizzy about freakin' ads, when the US and the whole slew of loathesome DNC leaders have voting to go to fucking war to change regimes, demonstrates a lack of critical thinking and introspection that is beyond the ability of science to measure. If there was a god, IT cou...
[01:36:21] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03janrinok [52] 02 - 06This Game Uses Troll Tactics to Teach Critical Thinking - 46 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:36:22] <exec> 08└─Are we communistphobic if we reject communism?
[01:36:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score: 2) 02 - 06This Game Uses Troll Tactics to Teach Critical Thinking - 338 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:36:41] <exec> 08└─Trolling is one method of psyop, though. For example, posting true but inflammatory things in the hopes of getting one portion of the opposition faction mad at the other portion of the opposition faction. I agree "troll factory" is a bad name for these operations though. They would be much more accu...
[01:36:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score: 2) 02 - 06This Game Uses Troll Tactics to Teach Critical Thinking - 311 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:36:42] <exec> 08└─Important works in the field include Edward Bernays' books "Crystallizing Public Opinion" and "Propaganda", where he started codifying how to influence large groups of people using mass media. Attempts to control public opinion in modern times take a lot of the same techniques and add "... using the...
[01:36:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score: 2) 02 - 06This Game Uses Troll Tactics to Teach Critical Thinking - 298 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:36:44] <exec> 08└─Arguing "Communism is bad because it caused starvation for millions of Chinese and Ukrainians." is not the same as "Communist spies are lurking all around you, ready to sneak into your nuclear bomb shelter to murder your family." The US government pushed the second line of thinking, not the first.
[01:37:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Microsoft's Fix for CPU-Hogging Windows Bug Wrecks Desktop Search - 194 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:37:20] <exec> 08└─Considered, advocated, ranted, but... there are (limited) instances where it is basically unavoidable. All in all, I find it easier to have at least one of each major OS running somewhere handy.
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[02:32:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06London’s Hidden Cable Tunnels Could Warm Thousands of Homes - 141 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:32:54] <exec> 08└─Just like SDG&E getting free power from everyone's excess home solar panels but jacking up the rates saying they're not making enough profit.
[02:32:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03drussell [2678] (Score: 2) 02 - 06London’s Hidden Cable Tunnels Could Warm Thousands of Homes - 907 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:32:55] <exec> 08└─In dense downtown urban areas in locales where it gets cold in the winter, part of what keeps the streets clear of snow and ice in those areas is the radiant heat of things like underground distribution cables and transformers (usually vented through the sidewalk around here), plus the radiant heat...
[02:33:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06First Peanut Allergy Treatment Gains Backing From FDA Advisory Panel - 172 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:33:15] <exec> 08└─Perhaps because dumbass parents think raising their kids in a mostly sterile enviroment is healthy instead of letting them play in the dirt and build their immunity system.
[02:34:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Study Finds the Universe Might be 2 Billion Years Younger - 16 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:34:13] <exec> 08└─There is C4 too.
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[03:32:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Java Finally Goes All in on Open Source With the Jakarta EE 8 Release - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:32:54] <exec> 08└─You catch the AIDS faster from the open sores. Nigger, Cock for Prez/Vice 2020
[03:33:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03sfm [675] (Score: 1) 02 - 06London’s Hidden Cable Tunnels Could Warm Thousands of Homes - 239 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:33:03] <exec> 08└─Finding a use for the waste heat is good, 400kW is nothing to sneeze at. Might be worth looking at the economics of larger cables/higher voltages for these power cables? Effectively turning waste heat into high quality usable electricity.
[03:33:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmichaelhudsondotnet [8122] (Score: 2) 02 - 06London’s Hidden Cable Tunnels Could Warm Thousands of Homes - 462 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:33:05] <exec> 08└─See, I've been telling everyone we need to hook everyone together with tubes and yes, they laughed. Until today. This entire time free cable tunnel waste heat has been 100 feet away, you just didn't upgrade your tubes like someone living in 2005 or something. 2019 people know the criticality of open...
[03:33:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmichaelhudsondotnet [8122] (Score: 2) 02 - 06A Finger on the Pulse of Sensor Developments - 328 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:33:33] <exec> 08└─"...the first fingerprint sensor in the world that combines printed pyroelectric polyvinylidene fluoride-based layers above an indium gallium zinc oxide thin-film transistor active matrix on a flexible plastic foil." cool story, bro Do I read this right, now you can wear a giant fingerprint sensor i...
[03:33:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03anubi [2828] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Another High-Flying, Heavily Funded AR Headset Startup is Shutting Down - 153 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:33:59] <exec> 08└─I was hoping it was like a "smart TV" that I could cast my Android phone to. Oh well, like a lot of modern stuff, useful only for it's intended function.
[03:35:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Interesting) 02 - 06Canada's House of Commons Investigating MPs Web Sites Tracking Users - 680 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:35:01] <exec> 08└─What? You are concerned about a thing that is not under discussion here. It's not whether MPs can have tracking pixels - they can! - it's about whether or not they can serve them from their official websites which represent the government which they cannot. Your three paragraphs didn't discuss the i...
[03:35:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Canada's House of Commons Investigating MPs Web Sites Tracking Users - 720 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:35:02] <exec> 08└─Dear AC: I wish you were part of my RL communities. Please keep posting like this. This is the gold that makes it worth the effort to filter out the drivel-noise of bad actors. Also thank you for your patience with BH. I hope she reads your comment. She doesn't seem to be interested in anything beyo...
[03:35:44] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03PinkyGigglebrain [4458] 02 - 06Scientists Propose ‘Spaceline’ Elevator to the Moon - 432 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:35:44] <exec> 08└─patenting something before it can be made might actually have some benefits in the long run. By the time technology and materials catch up the patent will have, or be about, to expire so anyone who wants to use the idea could without having to worry as much about licensing costs. And any attempts to...
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[04:32:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Java Finally Goes All in on Open Source With the Jakarta EE 8 Release - 87 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:32:55] <exec> 08└─A horse designed by committee. Even IBM mainframe/cobol is more coherent in comparison.
[04:32:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Java Finally Goes All in on Open Source With the Jakarta EE 8 Release - 38 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:32:56] <exec> 08└─Just ask Google about Android and Java
[04:33:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06London’s Hidden Cable Tunnels Could Warm Thousands of Homes - 272 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:33:08] <exec> 08└─Alluded to at the end of tfs, "...you could put a pipe next to it to absorb heat." For safety, I don't want to share the same air that goes through the cable tunnel, if there is a fire or other nasty release down there it should stay down there and not come into my house!
[04:33:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03legont [4179] (Score: 2) 02 - 06London’s Hidden Cable Tunnels Could Warm Thousands of Homes - 177 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:33:10] <exec> 08└─Last time I checked, it takes 36,000 kWh to mine one bitcoin. https://steemit.com [steemit.com]
[04:33:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06London’s Hidden Cable Tunnels Could Warm Thousands of Homes - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:33:12] <exec> 08└─Maybe on a Mars or Moon base :)
[04:33:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score: 2) 02 - 06First Peanut Allergy Treatment Gains Backing From FDA Advisory Panel - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:33:31] <exec> 08└─Wasn't careful desensitization with tiny exposures the standard for allergies in the '60s and '70s?
[04:33:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06A Finger on the Pulse of Sensor Developments - 383 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:33:41] <exec> 08└─> It has ridges touching the pixels, pumping heat and therefore creating a temperature difference with valleys that don't touch the sensor. Sounds like it would be easy to spoof with an image of a fingerprint, just project on the sensor in IR to heat the area of "ridges". On the other hand (sorry),...
[04:34:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmichaelhudsondotnet [8122] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Another High-Flying, Heavily Funded AR Headset Startup is Shutting Down - 1917 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:34:09] <exec> 08└─"...strain to sell augmented reality" People in economic distress aren't going to be building their vr setup and having a lot of time to game, there's your mass market gone. They were saying the middle class was disappearing and then it did and now no one remembers what that was even like. Ready Pl...
[04:34:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Another High-Flying, Heavily Funded AR Headset Startup is Shutting Down - 511 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:34:11] <exec> 08└─If you check their site, they weren't aiming at gaming. Theirs was for industrial use. Equipment/sites had virtual tags and instructions, and the view could be sent to remote operators who could tag or highlight it in real time. There seems to have been stored procedures it could walk you through, a...
[04:35:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmichaelhudsondotnet [8122] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Stormclouds Gather for Facebook's Libra Currency - 432 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:35:01] <exec> 08└─They have jumped the shark, they will forever be a cliche. No one wants yer stinkin facegag money. Everyone saw the cult hoodie. Zuckerborg for jail! Well unless you want to change the definition of the word spying and espionage, and criminal negligence. Oh wait, they do want to change the meaning o...
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[05:32:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Research Shows Open Source Program Offices Improve Software Practices - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:32:48] <exec> 08└─Linux is a cancer... Steve Balmer, June 1 2011
[05:32:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Research Shows Open Source Program Offices Improve Software Practices - 208 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:32:50] <exec> 08└─2001: Linux is a cancer 2011: "By 2011, Microsoft had become the 17th largest contributor to the Linux kernel." 2019: MICROSOFT® GITHUB® 2025: Linus Torvalds joins Microsoft as Chief Technology Officer FTFY
[05:32:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Research Shows Open Source Program Offices Improve Software Practices - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:32:52] <exec> 08└─See? MS got a cancer resistant to its own chemotherapy! (grin)
[05:33:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06First Peanut Allergy Treatment Gains Backing From FDA Advisory Panel - 232 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:33:35] <exec> 08└─What's new here is that parents have coddled their kids to the point that peanut consumption is now banned in certain places, and somebody is about to make a lot of money off of selling $0.01 of FDA-approved peanut dust in gel caps.
[05:35:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Pav [114] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Aussies to Trial Small Nuclear Reactors to Replace Coal - 29 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:35:43] <exec> 08└─But they didn't [nsw.gov.au].
[05:35:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Aussies to Trial Small Nuclear Reactors to Replace Coal - 121 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:35:44] <exec> 08└─Speaking of aggressive birds - it's just coming into magpie season...injuries...bleeding scalp and ears...eye injuries...
[05:37:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Microsoft's Fix for CPU-Hogging Windows Bug Wrecks Desktop Search - 48 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:37:57] <exec> 08└─Is that a program? Can't find it with apt search
[05:37:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Microsoft's Fix for CPU-Hogging Windows Bug Wrecks Desktop Search - 23 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:37:58] <exec> 08└─Looks like a fix to me.
[05:40:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score: 2) 02 - 06The Bizarre Fabrics That Fashion is Betting On - 148 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:40:09] <exec> 08└─A sufficiently educated female half of the population won't let such a medievally-minded male half of the population get away with that shit anyway.
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[06:32:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Music Publishers Say Peloton Stole Even More Music, Ask for $300 Million - 501 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:32:51] <exec> 08└─I positively hate the MAAFIOSA and their "intellectual property". Screw all of those bastards into hell, and leave them to stew. But, Peloton is obviously a commercial entity. They were profiting off of legally misappropriated music. Maybe some of it was morally misappropriated as well, but definite...
[06:32:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03fustakrakich [6150] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Music Publishers Say Peloton Stole Even More Music, Ask for $300 Million - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:32:53] <exec> 08└─You get what you can, right? What would have happened if these machines just had a radio?
[06:32:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Music Publishers Say Peloton Stole Even More Music, Ask for $300 Million - 108 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:32:55] <exec> 08└─No multi-billion dollar IPO with an old timey exercise radio. They should have just hooked it up to YouTube.
[06:32:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Music Publishers Say Peloton Stole Even More Music, Ask for $300 Million - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:32:57] <exec> 08└─What would have happened if these machines just had a radio?
[06:36:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Aussies to Trial Small Nuclear Reactors to Replace Coal - 177 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:36:01] <exec> 08└─...Because we can't build nuclear, much of Australia's energy has come from brown coal, and we are one of the highest carbon and radioisotope emitters per-capita in the world...
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[07:32:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03theluggage [1797] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Music Publishers Say Peloton Stole Even More Music, Ask for $300 Million - 162 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:32:53] <exec> 08└─Yeah, just file a few zeros off the end of that damages claim, exclude all the songs that should have been out of copyright years ago, and it would be a fair cop.
[07:32:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03MostCynical [2589] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Music Publishers Say Peloton Stole Even More Music, Ask for $300 Million - 266 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:32:55] <exec> 08└─Anything is only worth what someone manages to charge for it (what someone else is willing to pay) Property, data, music, anything. With music, asa with many other produts, there is a skewed market, because of "copyright" Tl;dr, can we just get rid of "labels", now?
[07:33:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03MostCynical [2589] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Research Shows Open Source Program Offices Improve Software Practices - 48 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:33:05] <exec> 08└─but Medium says open source failed! [medium.com]
[07:33:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Research Shows Open Source Program Offices Improve Software Practices - 86 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:33:07] <exec> 08└─My friend used open source to view nazi content. Can not get much more fail than that.
[07:33:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06A Finger on the Pulse of Sensor Developments - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:33:59] <exec> 08└─On the other hand (sorry), cutting off someone's finger might not work, since the dead finger would be cold...
[07:36:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03zeigerpuppy [1298] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Aussies to Trial Small Nuclear Reactors to Replace Coal - 210 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:00] <exec> 08└─Besides, Australia couldn't 'go nuclear' with any one of the small scale reactor designs as they are all at the prototype or conceptual stage. No problem, Australia has no need for nuclear and all its problems.
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[08:33:37] <exec> 08└─So, does that mean we're looking at under-floor heating for roads and pavements? Why, in London the streets are thawed with bitcoin!
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[09:33:05] <exec> 08└─exercise bike and treadmill startup Peloton
[09:34:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Once or Twice Weekly Daytime Nap, But Not More, Linked to Lower Heart Attack/Stroke Risk - 228 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[09:34:27] <exec> 08└─hunter gatherers in africa and south america sleep an average of 6 hours a day, with no naps. my guess is that more sleep is needed for modern lifestyles (including naps) due to extra stress, hence extra brain-cleaning required.
[09:36:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Aussies to Trial Small Nuclear Reactors to Replace Coal - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[09:36:15] <exec> 08└─No worries. Australia can do nuclear after Iraq and Iran. Reckon they'll be allowed?
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[10:34:25] <exec> 08└─And some people need extra brain cleaning after what they've seen on the internet!
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[11:33:09] <exec> 08└─> They should have just hooked it up to YouTube. Or connect to user's spotify account, or any other streaming music provider. But it looks like they gave users the ability to create their own playlists on the bike instead, why? - well I guess this is the bit where the user is the product and the use...
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[11:33:11] <exec> 08└─> like General Motors Startup, Heinz Startup, General Electric Startup, The East India Startup Not really - The General Motors only starts up when it feels like it, and Heinz has Ketchup, not Startup.
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[12:32:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Programming Language Popularity: Python Tightens Its Grip At The Top - 38 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:32:59] <exec> 08└─It's funny cos that's what pythons do.
[12:33:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Programming Language Popularity: Python Tightens Its Grip At The Top - 235 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:33:00] <exec> 08└─Python, Java, C, C++. I know them all, and can live with them all even with their warts (Python's whitespace thing, C++ complexity). It's when utter crap like Javascript and PHP migrate to the top of these lists I worry for our future.
[12:33:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nuke [3162] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Programming Language Popularity: Python Tightens Its Grip At The Top - 285 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:33:02] <exec> 08└─I take it that Python being 100 and C++ being 99.7 (last year) does not men that for every 1000 programers using Python, 997 were using C++. Even Assembly got 74.1 FFS. Sounds like the scores in a synchronised swimming contest - no-one gets less than 9 because that would be upsetting.
[12:33:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Java Finally Goes All in on Open Source With the Jakarta EE 8 Release - 199 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:33:42] <exec> 08└─There were licensing terms for using Java. Google choose not to use them and instead do half a ripoff, half a cleanroom implementation instead. They gambled the courts would take their side and lost.
[12:34:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Pino P [4721] (Score: 2) 02 - 06First Peanut Allergy Treatment Gains Backing From FDA Advisory Panel - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:34:19] <exec> 08└─The makers of EpiPen and Daraprim have somehow managed to protect themselves against generics.
[12:34:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Once or Twice Weekly Daytime Nap, But Not More, Linked to Lower Heart Attack/Stroke Risk - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:34:48] <exec> 08└─try magnesium supplement. it helped me a LOT to get quality sleep. or hit the gym everyday, it is better than Mg.
[12:34:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Once or Twice Weekly Daytime Nap, But Not More, Linked to Lower Heart Attack/Stroke Risk - 32 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:34:50] <exec> 08└─Before agriculture and industry,
[12:35:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Another High-Flying, Heavily Funded AR Headset Startup is Shutting Down - 503 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:35:04] <exec> 08└─Agree with much of your comment, but this: "People with immense power and wealth aren't fixing the problem of real estate prices or homelessness in san francisco..." There is already a well known solution to the real estate issue: if you can't afford the prices, live in another town. Seriously, San...
[12:35:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Study Finds the Universe Might be 2 Billion Years Younger - 117 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:35:31] <exec> 08└─Its ok I have adjusted reality to compensate. Now you can explain what was happening before the universe was created.
[12:36:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Aussies to Trial Small Nuclear Reactors to Replace Coal - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:36:42] <exec> 08└─We need nuclear. The US can't or won't defend us. We need to be able to defend ourselves.
[12:38:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03https [5248] (Score: 2) 02 - 06This Game Uses Troll Tactics to Teach Critical Thinking - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:38:19] <exec> 08└─The term you are looking for is flamebait.
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[13:32:53] <exec> 08└─https://threatpost.com/iphone-ios-13-lockscreen-bypass/148332/ [threatpost.com]
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[13:32:54] <exec> 08└─Cops love this one weird trick...
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[13:32:57] <exec> 08└─Rodriguez told Threatpost that though he reported the flaw to Apple in July, he did not get a reward for the report. “The issue got closed in mid-August, Apple had promised me a gift in rewarding for the reports, but finally I didn’t get anything, only a thank you,” he told Threatpost. That’...
[13:33:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Microsoft is Working on Foldable Surface Devices With Liquid-Powered Hinges - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:33:04] <exec> 08└─I would rather Microsoft license a good hinge for 2-in-1s to ODMs than their operating system.
[13:33:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Pino P [4721] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Programming Language Popularity: Python Tightens Its Grip At The Top - 516 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:33:15] <exec> 08└─JavaScript is high on the list because it's the only language that allows the client side of a web application to work without full page reload after every navigation or form submission. Web applications in turn are popular because many smaller shops cannot afford the cost of getting a native applic...
[13:33:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03shrewdsheep [5215] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Programming Language Popularity: Python Tightens Its Grip At The Top - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:33:17] <exec> 08└─If you want an objective way, that is what quantiles [wikipedia.org] are for.
[13:33:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Interesting) 02 - 06Programming Language Popularity: Python Tightens Its Grip At The Top - 297 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:33:20] <exec> 08└─Remember when Visual Basic was the darling of the amateur class and the quick-and-dirty bunches? Python is starting to look a lot like those days. The Python 2 vs Python 3 fiasco even reminds me of the Visual Basic vs VB.Net idiocy too. How did that work out for Visual Basic's/VB.Net's longevity?
[13:33:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03PiMuNu [3823] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Programming Language Popularity: Python Tightens Its Grip At The Top - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:33:22] <exec> 08└─I thought visual basic was some microsoft thing for putting pseudo code into spreadsheets?
[13:33:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Programming Language Popularity: Python Tightens Its Grip At The Top - 1839 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:33:24] <exec> 08└─Pythons popularity comes from two places: 1. It looks like pseudocode, so you can use the surface features without understanding it much. 2. Duck typing makes implementing API's in python easier from C++ than in other languages. Both of these apparent features, actually cause scalability problems IM...
[13:33:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Music Publishers Say Peloton Stole Even More Music, Ask for $300 Million - 209 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:33:45] <exec> 08└─> can we just get rid of "labels", now? Probably not. Marketing (letting masses of people know something exists) does work, and artists are not often good at marketing--which is where the music labels come in.
[13:33:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03PiMuNu [3823] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Research Shows Open Source Program Offices Improve Software Practices - 67 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:33:57] <exec> 08└─I get the heavily laced sarcasm but it is an interesting article...
[13:33:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Research Shows Open Source Program Offices Improve Software Practices - 33 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:33:58] <exec> 08└─hahaha le nahtzee open sores meme
[13:34:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score: 2) 02 - 06London’s Hidden Cable Tunnels Could Warm Thousands of Homes - 111 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:34:24] <exec> 08└─Air has terrible heat capacity, better to use a liquid like oil or water for carrying heat away from the tunnel
[13:36:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Study Finds the Universe Might be 2 Billion Years Younger - 64 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:36:01] <exec> 08└─and systematic error to avoid making overconfident proclamations
[13:36:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Study Finds the Universe Might be 2 Billion Years Younger - 105 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:36:03] <exec> 08└─Typically, the margins (+/- numbers) are taken to be the 95% confidence values, at least in polling data.
[13:37:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03deimtee [3272] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Aussies to Trial Small Nuclear Reactors to Replace Coal - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:37:14] <exec> 08└─https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hh4qYTeqn8o [youtube.com] We've been splitting atoms for yonks.
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[14:32:50] <exec> 08└─Its obsolete! Need to upgrade need to upgrade! (It still can toast ( though it's not 'certified' for gluten free mode bread which came out in a later rev)
[14:32:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 57 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:32:52] <exec> 08└─https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OfxlSG6q5Y [youtube.com]
[14:32:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03PiMuNu [3823] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 6 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:32:54] <exec> 08└─thanks
[14:33:16] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Snotnose [1623] 02 - 06Programming Language Popularity: Python Tightens Its Grip At The Top - 235 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:33:16] <exec> 08└─Python, Java, C, C++. I know them all, and can live with them all even with their warts (Python's whitespace thing, C++ complexity). It's when utter crap like Javascript and PHP migrate to the top of these lists I worry for our future.
[14:33:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Freeman [732] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Time is Running Out for India to Establish Contact With its Lunar Lander - 149 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:33:30] <exec> 08└─Yep, it's still hard. Cool, that they were able to prove some new technology, but the main mission seems to have ended in a nice crater or something.
[14:38:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score: 2) 02 - 06This Game Uses Troll Tactics to Teach Critical Thinking - 118 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:38:47] <exec> 08└─Flamebait is trying to create a flamewar. Trolling is trying to misplace someone's cheese for them. Subtle difference.
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[15:33:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 2581 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:33:05] <exec> 08└─Back in my college daze. I was still using BASIC. Rebelling against FORTRAN. Saw no possible use for COBOL. I had a side (work study) job in the computer center actually writing code. Was friends with the head of the computer center who was seriously into COBOL. He told me that COBOL would be around...
[15:33:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 577 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:33:07] <exec> 08└─Finally some one gets it!!! COBOL RPG (assembler in drag) IBM ASM ALL are powerful languages for bulk processing ng. All from the day that 1400 machines were running the world. COBOL was the “first” write once and run on anything. RPG was a direct replacement of 1403 back-a-lack boards and 4k co...
[15:33:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score: 4, Insightful) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 190 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:33:09] <exec> 08└─Why spend so much time talking about COBOL and not put the effort to just learn it? https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org] A tool-chest has all kinds of screwdrivers in it.
[15:33:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03KilroySmith [2113] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 933 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:33:11] <exec> 08└─Cobol and Fortran are holding us hostage because of a complete and total failure of the discipline of Software Engineering. After 70 years of existence, Software Engineering is still completely incapable of specifying and implementing large, complex systems. We have no language to capture the specif...
[15:33:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Touché) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 270 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:33:13] <exec> 08└─Why we still use stone buildings built centuries ago? COBOL was designed by the disciplined people for use by normal people. I observe more incompetence, laziness, stupidity and singularities in all post-modern languages created by undisciplined freaks and drug abusers.
[15:33:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03fustakrakich [6150] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 164 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:33:16] <exec> 08└─Exactly. We use it because it works. Our airliners are 60 year old designs also. Cars? Ancient contraptions! Cobol is old, but is still superior. Just like the B-52
[15:33:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03epitaxial [3165] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:33:18] <exec> 08└─the not invented here ideology that is ruining modern software. Something is old therefor it cannot be any good.
[15:33:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03jelizondo [653] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 1129 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:33:20] <exec> 08└─Very surprised this is still a problem. Some thirty years ago (maybe a tad more) I was involved in designing an accounting system that had to deal with very large numbers (1012) and found it gave slightly wrong answers due to rounding. I remember adding with a calculator the output of the system and...
[15:33:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06IOS 13 Exploit Bypasses the Lockscreen for Access to Contacts - 285 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:33:31] <exec> 08└─Just because a feature is not talked about nor advertised does not mean we should be calling it an exploit. Different features appeal to different audiences. Those different audiences are non overlapping sources of revenue. (Or some other external non-monetary pressure being applied.)
[15:33:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Microsoft is Working on Foldable Surface Devices With Liquid-Powered Hinges - 714 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:33:40] <exec> 08└─Engineering, please step aside. Marketing, please take over. It needs endorsements from leading industry magazines and trade rags. The hinge needs a cool name for advertising. Engineering, please design the hinge so it requires cryogenic temperatures in order to work -- because that would be sooper...
[15:33:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Microsoft is Working on Foldable Surface Devices With Liquid-Powered Hinges - 20 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:33:42] <exec> 08└─Microsoft LubeBender
[15:33:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03PiMuNu [3823] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Programming Language Popularity: Python Tightens Its Grip At The Top - 483 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:33:57] <exec> 08└─> Which they inevitably will, because Python doesn't scale. Python scales really well because you can prototype in python, find what works and sort out the API/UI, then optimise the slow stuff using C++ without changing the API/UI. > Python is an OO language that nobody writes using OO. I don't thin...
[15:33:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Programming Language Popularity: Python Tightens Its Grip At The Top - 1522 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:33:59] <exec> 08└─And maintained on five different platforms. There is much more cost than simply initial development. Especially for a very large code base. But hipsters are never concerned about longevity of code. Or maintainability. Or even correctness if it can be swept under the rug to deal with in version 2.0....
[15:34:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Programming Language Popularity: Python Tightens Its Grip At The Top - 747 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:34:01] <exec> 08└─That was VBA -- Visual Basic for Applications. But VB was a stand alone programming language that could also interoperate with applications via COM. For example, you could build an entire program in VB, complete with a GUI, but it could use, say, Excel, as if it were nothing more than a programming...
[15:34:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Programming Language Popularity: Python Tightens Its Grip At The Top - 425 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:34:03] <exec> 08└─I'll give you an Insightful, but with one caveat. Java does have a place. It isn't so widely used and highly ranked for no reason. All languages have warts. RUST is no replacement for Java in the places where Java is widely used. Saying that indicates you don't really understand how and why Java is...
[15:34:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Programming Language Popularity: Python Tightens Its Grip At The Top - 64 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:34:05] <exec> 08└─Java was sold as a security enhanced language. (it really isn't)
[15:34:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Time is Running Out for India to Establish Contact With its Lunar Lander - 123 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:34:15] <exec> 08└─This is just a prestige failure. It looks like the orbiting satellite will gather orders of magnitude more scientific data.
[15:34:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Time is Running Out for India to Establish Contact With its Lunar Lander - 378 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:34:17] <exec> 08└─Yeah, I have to think that they are just doing what they do in IT projects, too. Don't ever admit there is a problem, because if there is still 5 minutes left before the deadline, it can be claimed that the team is still working on it and experts are reviewing the issue. It broke. They haven't wante...
[15:34:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Music Publishers Say Peloton Stole Even More Music, Ask for $300 Million - 340 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:34:34] <exec> 08└─While Peloton may be legally and ethically wrong, the RIAA (and MPAA) are far worse. The damages they are asking for is patently ridiculous. In what way do they think their market value was damaged by such an absurd amount? Would anyone have actually paid that much to hear these songs on their exerc...
[15:34:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Music Publishers Say Peloton Stole Even More Music, Ask for $300 Million - 87 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:34:35] <exec> 08└─Heinz more interested in slow down rather than startup. See their 1970s tv commercials.
[15:34:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Java Finally Goes All in on Open Source With the Jakarta EE 8 Release - 61 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:35:00] <exec> 08└─Please try an electric eel instead for a superior experience.
[15:35:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Java Finally Goes All in on Open Source With the Jakarta EE 8 Release - 552 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:35:01] <exec> 08└─IBM was the primary contributor and supporter of an open source licensed Java workalike called Apache Harmony. Google chose Apache Harmony to use in Android. For obvious licensing reasons. Oracle purchased Sun because Oracle imagined a big "Sue Google!" sign on Google's back. What exactly did Google...
[15:35:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Java Finally Goes All in on Open Source With the Jakarta EE 8 Release - 68 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:35:03] <exec> 08└─You have my sympathies. Why, oh why? I'll never know why it is used.
[15:35:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Java Finally Goes All in on Open Source With the Jakarta EE 8 Release - 551 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:35:05] <exec> 08└─If Oracle actually manages to win that case in the end,* it's going to be the stupidest judicial tech decision ever. But hey, as long as they don't mind watching the world burn, why would Oracle care about making interfaces copyrightable generally destroying compatibility in the entire software deve...
[15:35:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03progo [6356] (Score: 2) 02 - 06London’s Hidden Cable Tunnels Could Warm Thousands of Homes - 296 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:35:21] <exec> 08└─Underneath London's bustling streets lie several kilometers of 2.5-meter-wide concrete tunnels lined with power distribution cables that can reach blistering temperatures. To cool the tunnels, vertical shafts spaced out every kilometer or two supply fresh air and eject hot air out into the open.
[15:36:04] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Akemi Homura [8470] 02 - 06Once or Twice Weekly Daytime Nap, But Not More, Linked to Lower Heart Attack/Stroke Risk - 54 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:36:04] <exec> 08└─At 3, a nap is a punishment. At 30, a nap is a reward.
[15:36:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Once or Twice Weekly Daytime Nap, But Not More, Linked to Lower Heart Attack/Stroke Risk - 37 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:36:15] <exec> 08└─Just have a good nap on the weak end.
[15:36:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03PiMuNu [3823] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Study Finds the Universe Might be 2 Billion Years Younger - 503 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:36:59] <exec> 08└─I am in the process of publishing a paper and it took me *2 years* to estimate the systematic error. GP is right the authors should be ashamed for not including systematic error. > provide us with the right answer so that we know what that systematic error is supposed to be Well, what are the source...
[15:37:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Stormclouds Gather for Facebook's Libra Currency - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:37:26] <exec> 08└─"Zuckerborg for jail!" If that was a campaign promise, I am interested in your political views, and would like to subscribe to your newsletter
[15:37:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Canada's House of Commons Investigating MPs Web Sites Tracking Users - 121 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:37:41] <exec> 08└─This also affects Americans. From the southernmost part of the US (Chiapas) to the northernmost part of the US (Nanavut).
[15:38:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Aussies to Trial Small Nuclear Reactors to Replace Coal - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:38:16] <exec> 08└─The worst possible disaster of a coal, gas or oil fueled plant is far less than that of a nuclear plant. If not, please specify.
[15:38:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Aussies to Trial Small Nuclear Reactors to Replace Coal - 188 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:38:17] <exec> 08└─Two problems with nuclear power 0. What to do with nuclear waste? (and I'll lump in decomissioning) 1. Human beings, or more specifically Managers. (cut costs, safety costs too much, etc.)
[15:38:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Scientists Propose ‘Spaceline’ Elevator to the Moon - 335 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:38:41] <exec> 08└─They may have been hoping that someone would figure out how to build very long carbon nanotubes within the lifetime of the patent and that they could play the patent extension game until.then.. Works better with stealth patents though since having the patent in the open can discourage the research o...
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[16:32:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03fustakrakich [6150] (Score: 1) 02 - 0664-Core Epyc CPU Encodes 10-bit Color, 8K Resolution H.265/HEVC Video at 79 FPS - 57 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:32:59] <exec> 08└─Does it get hot enough to cook Minute Rice in 30 seconds?
[16:33:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Touché) 02 - 0664-Core Epyc CPU Encodes 10-bit Color, 8K Resolution H.265/HEVC Video at 79 FPS - 135 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:33:01] <exec> 08└─Intel is the one playing those games now. They are using 1 hidden hp coolers: https://www.youtube.com [youtube.com]
[16:33:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 0664-Core Epyc CPU Encodes 10-bit Color, 8K Resolution H.265/HEVC Video at 79 FPS - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:33:03] <exec> 08└─You need a Beowulf cluster and liquid cooling.
[16:33:15] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 190 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:33:15] <exec> 08└─Why spend so much time talking about COBOL and not put the effort to just learn it? https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org] A tool-chest has all kinds of screwdrivers in it.
[16:33:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score: 4, Funny) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 86 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:33:21] <exec> 08└─How can you live without a real time alert on your smartphone when your toast is done?
[16:33:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:33:23] <exec> 08└─Nothing says "robust" like a tangled mess of GOTO.
[16:33:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 71 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:33:26] <exec> 08└─You want some COMEFROM [wikipedia.org] instructions too, if you please.
[16:33:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03bussdriver [6876] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 1949 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:33:28] <exec> 08└─If it ain't broke don't fix it!!! That needs to be tattooed onto every nerd's hands. If you can't manage the COBOL, then get out of the career; you are not competent enough. Bind to new languages if you must. The insanity and utter failure of software is that we are rewriting everything constantly w...
[16:33:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03bradley13 [3053] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 2092 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:33:30] <exec> 08└─On the one hand, there's nothing wrong with the idea of "never touch a running system". Cobol works, and by now the compilers and libraries have been thoroughly proven. On the other hand, claiming other programming languages cannot do fixed-point math is dumb. And anyway, that's actually not really...
[16:33:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 425 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:33:32] <exec> 08└─What does that calculation yield when performed in fixed-width BCD of no greater precision than extended precision IEEE-854 floating point? Because at the moment, you've compared standard FP with absolutely no alternative at all apart from infinite precision, which even though in this case can be ea...
[16:33:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 201 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:33:34] <exec> 08└─Something is old therefor it cannot be any good. Well I am old and not very good, so they may have a point. However, if it took 50 years to debug the code, replacing it might not be the best strategy.
[16:33:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03bussdriver [6876] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 1212 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:33:36] <exec> 08└─Software Engineering isn't the problem. It's HUMANS. Our inherent flaws and limitations are what has held back the evolution of software. We can't specify complex systems in detail today much better than back then. Agile is kind of an admission that we can't handle complex software by planning. Sure...
[16:33:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 379 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:33:38] <exec> 08└─Now use decimal, and replace those 1000s with 1001, 1000000s with 1002001s, and report back. You see, if you want to do anything apart from multiply and divide by factors of powers of 10, you "are screwed before [you] start". No difference from binary. Read some Kahan (or at least /What ever compute...
[16:33:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Dr Spin [5239] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 296 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:33:41] <exec> 08└─I think 64 bit integers are still large enough to handle the current US debt as cents. However, if Trump remains in power, this may not be so for much longer. In which case, you could always use double precision. OTOH, if you are using floats for money, you should probably get a head transplant.
[16:33:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 405 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:33:43] <exec> 08└─Meh. The author started out by comparing COBOL with Java, which proved to me that she knew very little about floating point arithmetic, or at least how dangerous Java is for floating point arithmetic. Either that, or she did know that, and deliberately chose one of the worst languages possible for t...
[16:33:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 48 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:33:45] <exec> 08└─Hipsters: If it ain't broke, fix it 'till it is!
[16:33:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06IOS 13 Exploit Bypasses the Lockscreen for Access to Contacts - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:33:56] <exec> 08└─He reported the exploit wrong.
[16:34:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 3, Informative) 02 - 06Programming Language Popularity: Python Tightens Its Grip At The Top - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:34:27] <exec> 08└─How did that work out for Visual Basic's/VB.Net's longevity?
[16:34:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Pino P [4721] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Programming Language Popularity: Python Tightens Its Grip At The Top - 167 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:34:28] <exec> 08└─I do see WebAssembly as a possible replacement for JavaScript. Then multiple languages could be compiled to a common widely deployed "runtime" playback user interface.
[16:34:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Pino P [4721] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Programming Language Popularity: Python Tightens Its Grip At The Top - 121 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:34:31] <exec> 08└─I'd rather focus on RUST, but there are a few projects out there that probably should be written in RUST, but are in C++.
[16:34:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Time is Running Out for India to Establish Contact With its Lunar Lander - 66 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:34:42] <exec> 08└─The LAN cable between the orbiter and impacter wasn't long enough.
[16:34:53] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03theluggage [1797] 02 - 06Music Publishers Say Peloton Stole Even More Music, Ask for $300 Million - 162 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:34:53] <exec> 08└─Yeah, just file a few zeros off the end of that damages claim, exclude all the songs that should have been out of copyright years ago, and it would be a fair cop.
[16:36:01] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03sjames [2882] 02 - 06First Peanut Allergy Treatment Gains Backing From FDA Advisory Panel - 67 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:36:01] <exec> 08└─Part of it is pregnant women following bad advice to avoid peanuts.
[16:36:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Once or Twice Weekly Daytime Nap, But Not More, Linked to Lower Heart Attack/Stroke Risk - 133 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:36:38] <exec> 08└─This is what your tax dollars pay for. About $30 billion per year of this junk plus immense suffering of animals to go along with it.
[16:37:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Study Finds the Universe Might be 2 Billion Years Younger - 156 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:37:23] <exec> 08└─You want me to do their job for them? They estimated the systematic error was zero. If I was going to estimate something by default on this I would say 20%.
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[17:32:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 2, Interesting) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 259 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:32:50] <exec> 08└─The amount of pure waste due to bloated websites like reddit is insane. Like 4 mb per site hit. Compare i.reddit.com with old.reddit.com with the (imo unusable) www.reddit.com. The people running these websites are some of the most climate polluting at earth.
[17:32:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Fishscene [4361] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 1164 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:32:51] <exec> 08└─DTN (Disruption/Delay Tolerant Networking) might be a welcome technology in scenarios such as this. Instead of refreshing and hoping the cache will store something (some websites out-rite disable caching of their website), DTN would transmit the packets whenever it could, using a "Custody" method wh...
[17:32:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03barbara hudson [6443] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 330 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:32:53] <exec> 08└─Use a text browser. No downloading images, cas, or JavaScript. As a bonus, sites that allow Facebook and Google to track you can no longer do so, since you aren't downloading the stupid tracking/sharing icons. Sites like Facebook and Twitter won't let you in, which is a violation of the ADA, but I...
[17:32:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Touché) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 177 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:32:55] <exec> 08└─The author really should put a publication date on his articles or at least fix the http modified header. Also, for an essay on web bloat to load Google Analytics is remarkable.
[17:32:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 14 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:32:57] <exec> 08└─Bloat Is Good.
[17:33:24] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03ikanreed [3164] 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 86 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:33:24] <exec> 08└─How can you live without a real time alert on your smartphone when your toast is done?
[17:33:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03bradley13 [3053] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 125 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:33:36] <exec> 08└─The point is this: When you are doing financial calculations, you are using powers of 10. Because that's how currencies work.
[17:33:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 105 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:33:38] <exec> 08└─Software Engineering is still completely incapable of specifying and implementing large, complex systems.
[17:33:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 1064 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:33:40] <exec> 08└─It's a good point, but one of the other areas that COBOL became relevant was a drive to reduce or eliminate programming jargon and instead approach processing using ordinary language tools. COBOL (and FORTRAN) were implementations trying to put the tools of programming in the hands of not programmer...
[17:33:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 1427 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:33:42] <exec> 08└─I've got it myself. (eg, Perl) I've seen it here on SN. Here is a true thing: If there were one perfect programming language, everyone would be using it already. (Or at least migrating to it.) If there is a language you don't like, but it is among the top languages in use and top languages for high...
[17:33:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 291 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:33:44] <exec> 08└─I always wanted a language that had both GET and BACK commands. That way I could design a program that could GET(LONER) and it would return JOJO and GET(PLACE) and return TUCSON ARIZONA and GET(THING) and return CALIFORNIA GRASS. Then I could send the program BACK to where it ONCE BELONGED.
[17:33:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 34 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:33:46] <exec> 08└─Friends don't let friends do Java.
[17:33:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 663 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:33:48] <exec> 08└─You can use wide enough integers instead of BCD. Are 64 bit integers big enough? Integers are EXACT. Just as exact as BCD. Use an integer to represent US cents, for example. When displaying, add in the decimal point. When parsing, remove the decimal point. It's just cents as an integer. In 64 bits y...
[17:33:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 260 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:33:51] <exec> 08└─64 bit integers can hand the US National Debt as expressed in Argentine Pesos, which is a larger magnitude number. As you say, NEVER use floats for money. I thought everyone figured that out in the 1970's. Why in the 21st century does nobody seem to know that.
[17:33:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 155 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:33:53] <exec> 08└─) (I was feeling some existential dread due to an unmatched paren above.) OK, more seriously, a lot of damage has been done by assuming "new" = "improved".
[17:33:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03PiMuNu [3823] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 264 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:33:55] <exec> 08└─Fair enough. I don't know much about java, replaced java in my head with C. I am a scientific programmer who deals with floating point precision issues routinely; I had never really thought about alternatives to floating point arithmetic so I found it interesting.
[17:33:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Informative) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 394 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:33:57] <exec> 08└─Is everyone in this thread so ignorant of Java that they don't know it fully supports decimal arithmetic? In Java, this numeric type is called BigDecimal. I used it as part of a large project to re-implement a govt property and accounting system that was originally written in COBOL. Believe me, gett...
[17:33:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 314 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:33:59] <exec> 08└─When the toast is done already is too late. For only $1.99 you can subscribe to the toast ready prealert which includes a countdown (may show ads and purchases in app). FAQ: Q:Your toaster app doesn't work and my $199 toaster won't even start! R:Please reboot your toaster and grant all 58 request...
[17:34:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03nitehawk214 [1304] (Score: 2, Touché) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:34:01] <exec> 08└─He programs in COBOL, not lisp.
[17:34:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03bussdriver [6876] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 963 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:34:04] <exec> 08└─Anybody can program. Not everybody can do it well. Something people forget; besides that, your IQ is like a power meter and no matter how big yours is, it goes down the harder you concentrate on tasks. A great programmer who sucks at some science is going to use up their IQ on the problem while an e...
[17:34:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 173 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:34:06] <exec> 08└─Or other languages. Hey if it's not for your problem domain, don't use it. But don't knock it if it is in widespread use. There is probably a reason for that. Warts and all.
[17:34:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03nitehawk214 [1304] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 141 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:34:08] <exec> 08└─You do realize that C has floating point datatypes and suffer the same flaws, right? And that no precise calculations should use them, right?
[17:34:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:34:10] <exec> 08└─"We tried to rewrite the code in Java and Java couldn't do the calculations right."
[17:34:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03theluggage [1797] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 82 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:34:12] <exec> 08└─We tried to rewrite the code in Java and Java couldn't do the calculations right."
[17:34:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03kazzie [5309] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:34:14] <exec> 08└─I was just about to post that myself. It's well worth a watch.
[17:34:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03kazzie [5309] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 203 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:34:17] <exec> 08└─By coincidence I was looking at issues of fixed point and floating point at work today, when contemplating square root algorithms for an FPGA. As a result I found the article both interesting and timely.
[17:34:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Programming Language Popularity: Python Tightens Its Grip At The Top - 612 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:34:58] <exec> 08└─Yes, JavaScript glue still needed. Thank googleness goodness, IE is effectively dead. Even Edge will soon be a wrapper around Chrome / Webkit. Windows 7 and 8.1 are capable of running real web browsers with big boy pants. I suspect older iOS can also run standards compliant browsers. But in any case...
[17:35:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Time is Running Out for India to Establish Contact With its Lunar Lander - 201 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:35:09] <exec> 08└─Did their impactor hang low? Could we swing it to and fro? Could we tie it in a knot? Could we tie it in a bow? Can you throw it over the orbiter, like a lunar conservator? Does your impactor hang low?
[17:35:24] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03choose another one [515] 02 - 06Music Publishers Say Peloton Stole Even More Music, Ask for $300 Million - 200 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:35:24] <exec> 08└─> like General Motors Startup, Heinz Startup, General Electric Startup, The East India Startup Not really - The General Motors only starts up when it feels like it, and Heinz has Ketchup, not Startup.
[17:35:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] (Score: 4, Interesting) 02 - 06Music Publishers Say Peloton Stole Even More Music, Ask for $300 Million - 4418 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:35:28] <exec> 08└─This is a complicated one, for sure. First, copying is not stealing. I keep hammering on that point. So this time, where did "stealing" get snuck in to the story? Far as I can tell, the NMPA did not cry "thief". They carefully kept the language of their complaint confined to "infringement". It's The...
[17:38:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Stormclouds Gather for Facebook's Libra Currency - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:38:16] <exec> 08└─Facebook? Can you think of a less trustworthy entity on the planet to trust?
[17:38:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03etherscythe [937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Stormclouds Gather for Facebook's Libra Currency - 270 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:38:17] <exec> 08└─Would it kill you to be less incendiary with your portmanteaus? Calling names is not going to bring anyone into agreement with your point. Note that I share your outrage; I just think that kind of language is part of what keeps citizens divided on an effective solution.
[17:38:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03barbara hudson [6443] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Canada's House of Commons Investigating MPs Web Sites Tracking Users - 282 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:38:32] <exec> 08└─That is NOT the only concern. What business is it of google or Facebook if you visited the website for a particular party? Or went to a link with answers for criminal pardons or immigration or obtaining refugee status? There should be zero 3rd party trackers on any federal website.
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[18:32:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 75 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:32:54] <exec> 08└─Bloated post complains about bloated web that everyone already knows about.
[18:32:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 121 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:32:56] <exec> 08└─Okay, sure, we scorched the planet, but look at these 0.3% higher engagement numbers when infinite scrolling was enabled!
[18:32:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:32:58] <exec> 08└─Use a text browser. No downloading images, cas, or JavaScript.
[18:32:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03ElizabethGreene [6748] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 138 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:33:00] <exec> 08└─He's not wrong. I do consulting work for a bank and their homepage is 4.6mb. IIRC, in my modem days that would have been about 20 minutes.
[18:33:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Touché) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:33:02] <exec> 08└─But JS? It's vital for any sort of real application.
[18:33:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03SemperOSS [5072] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 1051 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:33:05] <exec> 08└─A similar strategy could be built in to the browser where the browser would remember the parts of a web page that it has already downloaded and keep retrying the other parts until the page has been completely rendered. This could obviously give wrong results for sites that change contents rapidly bu...
[18:33:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 0664-Core Epyc CPU Encodes 10-bit Color, 8K Resolution H.265/HEVC Video at 79 FPS - 395 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:33:15] <exec> 08└─Isn't video encoding of lots of videos one of those "embarrassingly parallel" problems in practice? So if it costs significantly more than multiple machines with similar combined throughput/performance then the main benefits are space savings and lower power consumption, AND only in the case where y...
[18:34:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03janrinok [52] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 26 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:34:07] <exec> 08└─Made me smile - thank you.
[18:34:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03kazzie [5309] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 137 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:34:09] <exec> 08└─Software Engineering isn't the problem. It's HUMANS. Our inherent flaws and limitations are what has held back the evolution of software.
[18:34:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:34:11] <exec> 08└─God I hate argumentum ad Youtubum. Maybe use your words, too. Or at least tell us what you are linking to.
[18:34:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 363 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:34:13] <exec> 08└─BigDecimal is widely used in Java for money types in memory that came from or are going to some field in a database. If I understand correctly, BigDecimal is implemented as a BigInteger, with a separate integer field that represents a Base 10 exponent. Thus, once the integer is turned into a Base 10...
[18:34:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 1116 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:34:15] <exec> 08└─Required reading: Fred Brooks - No Silver Bullet [unc.edu] Summary: Some of the complexity of software is due to software design and development making things harder than they need to be. A lot of it, though, is because the problem that it's trying to solve is complicated, and there's just no gettin...
[18:34:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 908 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:34:17] <exec> 08└─Well, sort of. Sure, there are some languages that are bad for certain purposes but good for others. COBOL is bad for all purposes. The only reason to use it is because you have to. That was always true : even in the 60s the only reason it got any traction was because the Department of Defense manda...
[18:34:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:34:19] <exec> 08└─You should post this in the Python thread too!
[18:34:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 156 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:34:22] <exec> 08└─Outstanding post. Hipsters will never understand this. As for that quote: We tried to rewrite the code in Java and Java couldn't do the calculations right."
[18:34:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 638 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:34:24] <exec> 08└─The problem with using floating point versus decimal is worse than that, even. Did you know that floating point cannot exactly represent a value as common as 0.10 ? *This* is the major problem: A particular number base has many fractions that it CANNOT represent exactly as digits after a radix point...
[18:34:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 423 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:34:26] <exec> 08└─I posted something about Java in the Python thread. And I got one example of that kind of bigotry. Conflating various things together -- where I could create counter examples for C, such as blaming C for there being wxWindows, Gtk and Qt. The amusing thing is one of the very first things I said was...
[18:34:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 733 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:34:28] <exec> 08└─Now go off and read some Kahan. The *only* example that decimal-heads *ever* come up with is "0.1 isn't exact in binary". Such statements are stupid, and they identify the decimal-heads as stupid decimal-heads. I can think of an infinitude of example numbers that aren't exact in decimal FP. Therefor...
[18:34:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:34:30] <exec> 08└─Very true, and it reminds me to one of my favorite web comics about programming languages [sandraandwoo.com].
[18:34:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 210 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:34:32] <exec> 08└─C's floating points *absolutely DO NOT* have the same flaws as Java. Have you ever read any Kahan? So if the penaly fees were 300*1.27^(17/365), how much *exactly* do I owe? No, exactly, not that approximation.
[18:34:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 640 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:34:34] <exec> 08└─I remember the 70s. I agree with everything you said about COBOL. I hated COBOL. I think I mentioned it somewhere in this topic that I hated COBOL. (look for it) But looking at history I came to understand why it is. It was the path of least resistance. Many things in life aren't perfect, but we liv...
[18:34:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 471 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:34:37] <exec> 08└─False. You're thinking of noddy stuff like ledger accounting where the input numbers have been passed a priori through a filter that has simplified them to be trivial, and exactly handlable in decimal. This is only a subset of financial computations. If you can't imagine exponentiation to a non-inte...
[18:34:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 544 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:34:39] <exec> 08└─It is powers of 10 true. But it is also true that currencies are ALWAYS integers. Never approximations like floating point. Once you recognize it is integers, you can use integer types for much greater efficiency. Integer arithmetic is always EXACT. Even division has an exact quotient and remainder....
[18:34:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 135 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:34:41] <exec> 08└─Note, please do not use grocery store bread with your ToestrTM. DRM-enabled bread-pods are available for a mere 16.99 from our website.
[18:34:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 605 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:34:43] <exec> 08└─I have written calculations like you describe in a financial calculation. That calculation is a black box. It takes inputs, does an inexact calculation, to great precision, and then the results are fixed into some form of currency values that are the result(s) of that black box. Everyone who does th...
[18:34:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 122 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:34:45] <exec> 08└─It has no way not to be; if it were written like today, the olden days' hardware would be totally unable to run it at all.
[18:34:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 584 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:34:47] <exec> 08└─Throughout this topic I have never advocated decimal FP. I advocate integer data types for money. In Java, BigDecimal is often used -- but that is a facade for a BigInteger with a base 10 exponent in order to insert the right decimal point once the BigInteger is converted to base 10 digits. There ar...
[18:34:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 292 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:34:50] <exec> 08└─One more thing. Using FP for money is the wrong tool for the wrong job very much like: * using a hammer to drive wood screws into wood * using C to write accounting software or application software There are many software tools, and some of them are better for specific uses than other tools.
[18:34:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 64 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:34:52] <exec> 08└─I'm old too. When you get old enough, everything becomes a joke.
[18:34:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 68 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:34:54] <exec> 08└─C's floating points *absolutely DO NOT* have the same flaws as Java.
[18:34:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 211 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:34:56] <exec> 08└─It's pretty amazing how Java has come to be one of the top languages for years running now. Somebody must know something that the rest of the industry doesn't know. Must be nice to be so smart and unappreciated.
[18:34:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 69 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:34:58] <exec> 08└─I suddenly realized we're talking about different Python threads. :-)
[18:35:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03mobydisk [5472] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Programming Language Popularity: Python Tightens Its Grip At The Top - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:35:42] <exec> 08└─That *used* to be the case. WebAssembly and cross-compilation to Javascript has freed us from that limitation.
[18:35:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Pino P [4721] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Programming Language Popularity: Python Tightens Its Grip At The Top - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:35:43] <exec> 08└─Windows 7 and 8.1 are capable of running real web browsers with big boy pants.
[18:35:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Programming Language Popularity: Python Tightens Its Grip At The Top - 325 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:35:45] <exec> 08└─You may be right. From my personal experience, in many ways, Python is the new Perl. It attracts dabblers who say their language doesn't need all the features of other languages, then they find out they really do, so then they add them over the years as half-assed bolt-ons that don't integrate with...
[18:35:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Programming Language Popularity: Python Tightens Its Grip At The Top - 55 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:35:47] <exec> 08└─Provided that corporate IT allows installation thereof.
[18:35:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Programming Language Popularity: Python Tightens Its Grip At The Top - 1473 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:35:49] <exec> 08└─(reposted from the COBOL topic) I've got language bigotry myself. (eg, Perl) I've seen it here on SN. Here is a true thing: If there were one perfect programming language, everyone would be using it already. (Or at least migrating to it.) If there is a language you don't like, but it is among the to...
[18:37:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06First Peanut Allergy Treatment Gains Backing From FDA Advisory Panel - 61 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:37:25] <exec> 08└─Seems to be supported by a couple of those NIH links above...
[18:39:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03barbara hudson [6443] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Canada's House of Commons Investigating MPs Web Sites Tracking Users - 1277 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:39:25] <exec> 08└─I don't give two shits about karma. If I did, I'd post the right wing libtard drivel that always gets lots of upvotes. I would take a centrist view instead of being solidly on the left. I'd be figuratively fellating Justin Trudeau instead of calling him out for being a corrupt liar, and a phoney fe...
[18:40:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Aussies to Trial Small Nuclear Reactors to Replace Coal - 55 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:40:02] <exec> 08└─Have you somehow missed the whole global warming thing?
[18:40:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Aussies to Trial Small Nuclear Reactors to Replace Coal - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:40:04] <exec> 08└─Doh! I was thinking short term.
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[19:32:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Ten Year Old Proton Radius Mystery Solved - Sadly No New Physics - 88 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:32:49] <exec> 08└─So physicists are like computer programmers: bored at work. Where is there anything new?
[19:33:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Flamebait) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 280 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:33:08] <exec> 08└─> I do consulting work for a bank ... Well there's your problem. Stop trying to shove your Microsoft crap down their throats and they'll have a much less bloated site. Anything served up by your crap is going to suffer from bloat as well as have poor stability and worse security.
[19:33:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 340 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:33:10] <exec> 08└─For those of us that actually care about the impact of bloat in general from bottom to top and not just at the level if the Web, there's a really good talk on YouTube by Casey Muratori [youtube.com] about how deep the problem goes. We're piling chairs on top of chairs, but we can't slow down now, an...
[19:33:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 621 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:33:12] <exec> 08└─Even if you are only interested in the articles, the advertisers want to throw HD video at you, the trackers want full database analytics of every mouse and keyboard interaction you make (they want eyegaze tracking, they're not getting it yet, at least not on every simple webpage...) Another phenome...
[19:33:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03SemperOSS [5072] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 1442 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:33:14] <exec> 08└─It is a common misconception that JavaScript is required for any sort of real application, it is not. By using a reasonable amount of CSS and some applied HTML, a huge amount of functionality can be achieved without a single line of JS. I implemented a site once with drop-down menus, slide shows and...
[19:33:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Arik [4543] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 321 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:33:16] <exec> 08└─The advertisers have taken over the browsers, and passed off an ability to glue their tools together as 'coding.' This has given rise to a generation of 'web developers' that should never be allowed anywhere a computer again, but are nonetheless gainfully employed doing evil 24/7. And the herd conti...
[19:33:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03fustakrakich [6150] (Score: 1) 02 - 0664-Core Epyc CPU Encodes 10-bit Color, 8K Resolution H.265/HEVC Video at 79 FPS - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:33:27] <exec> 08└─Intel is the one playing those games now. Well sure, they wanna do it in 25...
[19:33:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 0664-Core Epyc CPU Encodes 10-bit Color, 8K Resolution H.265/HEVC Video at 79 FPS - 244 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:33:28] <exec> 08└─The Epyc is for companies like Google and Netflix. I hear the GPU-based encoders have worse quality. You only need to encode it several times in good quality, once for each resolution, then you are serving it out thousands or millions of times.
[19:34:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 123 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:34:46] <exec> 08└─Cobol and Fortran are holding us hostage because of a complete and total failure of the discipline of Software Engineering.
[19:34:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 29 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:34:48] <exec> 08└─Have you ever read any Kahan?
[19:34:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 191 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:34:50] <exec> 08└─In the 70's it was obvious that some machines were 'biased' towards certain languages. Or modes of thinking. Developers, like today, or all humans actually, take the path of least resistance.
[19:34:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 173 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:34:52] <exec> 08└─^^^ Proof that a little knowledge leads to a bigger idiot. Decimal FP is only good if the *only* thing you ever do is add, subtract, or multiply by decimally-trivial ratios.
[19:34:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 329 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:34:54] <exec> 08└─The author made a fair point that the industry frequently bills Java as COBOL's natural successor, so it is perfectly fair to compare the two to see why that may not be such a good idea and why it hasn't been all that successful so far. TLDR; The choice of Java for comparison was not made in a vacuu...
[19:34:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 1043 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:34:56] <exec> 08└─Not vice versa. Any fraction that can be represented in binary can be represented in decimal. The numbers that have terminating representation in binary are those that can be expressed as the sum of fractions where the denominator is a power of two. e.g. 0.140625 is the sum of 1/8 and 1/64. Or 5/16...
[19:35:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Microsoft is Working on Foldable Surface Devices With Liquid-Powered Hinges - 138 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:35:16] <exec> 08└─It's a blue liquid specially designed so that when it fails it notifies you by spraying onto the screen. It's patented as Microsofts BSOD.
[19:35:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Programming Language Popularity: Python Tightens Its Grip At The Top - 522 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:35:46] <exec> 08└─I don't know about that, Python is being aggressively pushed around here to unsuspecting CS students that don't know any better. We do it because the local 4 year school decided to use it. There's a ton of rationalizations that go into it, but considering that the next language we teach is Java, I d...
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[20:32:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Why You May Have to Wait Longer to Check Out an E-Book from Your Local Library - 689 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:32:49] <exec> 08└─I'm fairly sure that most of the paper-book content in our county library system's card catalog is "virtual" - waiting for somebody to express interest in the title before ordering a copy of it. At least, that's what seemed to happen the last time I reserved a copy of an obscure-ish title that had b...
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[20:32:57] <exec> 08└─SoylentNews?
[20:33:04] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Anonymous Coward 02 - 06Web Bloat - 259 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:33:05] <exec> 08└─The amount of pure waste due to bloated websites like reddit is insane. Like 4 mb per site hit. Compare i.reddit.com with old.reddit.com with the (imo unusable) www.reddit.com. The people running these websites are some of the most climate polluting at earth.
[20:33:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 116 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:33:21] <exec> 08└─Just chiming in to remind you that excessive cynicism and a false sense of superiority are terrible for your psyche.
[20:33:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Pino P [4721] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:33:22] <exec> 08└─A lot could be achieved if the HTTP standard allowed continued downloads of any item
[20:33:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Pino P [4721] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 396 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:33:25] <exec> 08└─We pay you valuable consideration in exchange for your turning on JavaScript. This valuable consideration is the use of the application on our server. Think of it this way: If you don't own a Mac, how is a native client application for macOS better than a JavaScript web application? Or if you do own...
[20:33:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03barbara hudson [6443] (Score: 3, Touché) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 165 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:33:27] <exec> 08└─Discussing web bloat ... YouTube video ... um, okay ... Megabytes to say what can be done in kilobytes of simple searchable, cut-n-pasteable text. Oh, the irony ...
[20:33:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03CheesyMoo [6853] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 790 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:33:29] <exec> 08└─I was traveling through Central America recently and was on some pretty slow, or laggy connections. At times it was impossible to check my bank account or book hotels online because the web sites would time out of certain requests while trying to load their unnecessary animations and promotional BS...
[20:33:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03julian [6003] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 465 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:33:31] <exec> 08└─That's essentially just caching, which we can already do but most of us have disabled it because it's used to track us against our explicit wishes. Half of the features of the modern web have to be deliberately crippled or disabled because I can't trust that they'll only be used in good-faith. I ran...
[20:33:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03barbara hudson [6443] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 1001 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:33:33] <exec> 08└─It's not false when it's true. But trying to appear morally superior and virtue signalling rather than acknowledging the truth, well, it is what it is. The simple fact is that was touted as the information highway has turned into the 21st century equivalent of a bat mobile - a bloated car with terr...
[20:33:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Pino P [4721] (Score: 3, Interesting) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 236 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:33:35] <exec> 08└─It is a common misconception that JavaScript is required for any sort of real application, it is not. By using a reasonable amount of CSS and some applied HTML, a huge amount of functionality can be achieved without a single line of JS.
[20:33:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Interesting) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 68 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:33:38] <exec> 08└─it is obvious that the browser is replacing the desktop in many ways
[20:33:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Pino P [4721] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 68 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:33:40] <exec> 08└─it is obvious that the browser is replacing the desktop in many ways
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[20:33:52] <exec> 08└─Sixth generation NVENC implements HEVC 8K encoding at 30FPS, HEVC B-Frames support and provides up to 25% bitrate savings for HEVC and up to 15% bitrate savings for H.264
[20:34:04] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03DannyB [5839] 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 2581 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:34:05] <exec> 08└─Back in my college daze. I was still using BASIC. Rebelling against FORTRAN. Saw no possible use for COBOL. I had a side (work study) job in the computer center actually writing code. Was friends with the head of the computer center who was seriously into COBOL. He told me that COBOL would be around...
[20:34:28] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03DannyB [5839] 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 1427 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:34:28] <exec> 08└─I've got it myself. (eg, Perl) I've seen it here on SN. Here is a true thing: If there were one perfect programming language, everyone would be using it already. (Or at least migrating to it.) If there is a language you don't like, but it is among the top languages in use and top languages for high...
[20:35:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 624 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:35:17] <exec> 08└─I recall my manager's manager pushing towards Java. And then watched two competent software engineers struggle for 8 months with making Java work with simple numbers. The language is a pile of _insert_favorite_expletive_ since day one and has never improved. I cut my teeth on COBOL and despite being...
[20:35:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 906 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:35:19] <exec> 08└─The *machines* were not record oriented. The *language* was record oriented. The machines only seem record oriented because they are viewed through the prison of an incredibly limited language. (I originally wrote prism, but it autocorrected and as so often happens, the new word is better). Lots of...
[20:35:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 1009 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:35:21] <exec> 08└─And SQL. But the notion of some non-technical business specialist writing their own queries in SQL would be laughable today. These languages all date from an era when it was commonly believed that the hard part of programming was the syntax. And it's not a surprise, many non-programmers today still...
[20:35:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 452 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:35:23] <exec> 08└─Perhaps you are not aware of the actual history of COBOL. It was designed by non-experts, with multiple incompatible "standards" modified according to political whims, littered with incomplete and incompatible extensions with widely varying support, and then modified again by computer vendors trying...
[20:35:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 232 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:35:25] <exec> 08└─Thank you. That makes sense. Terminating binary denominator must be power of 2. Terminating decimal denominator must be power of 2 times power of 5. So there are a lot of denominators that are available in base ten but not base two.
[20:35:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06IOS 13 Exploit Bypasses the Lockscreen for Access to Contacts - 167 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:35:36] <exec> 08└─... Apparently Threatpost can't pay for a real-time translator but instead does journalism using Google Translate. No possibility of misunderstandings that way, right?
[20:36:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03loonycyborg [6905] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Programming Language Popularity: Python Tightens Its Grip At The Top - 822 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:36:17] <exec> 08└─C++ and Python are good in their niches. C++ is good due to compatibility with C and has a lot of features that lets you to catch many errors at compile time instead of runtime which makes it ideal for larger projects that don't need to be changed often. While python is easy to understand and modify...
[20:36:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Programming Language Popularity: Python Tightens Its Grip At The Top - 650 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:36:18] <exec> 08└─That is interesting. In 2007, I went to one of our Canadian offices, because they had a couple extra seats available in a training. It was a different business unit in the company, one that dealt with city utility billing. They were converting some VB software to dot-NET. The trainers definitely kne...
[20:36:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Programming Language Popularity: Python Tightens Its Grip At The Top - 422 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:36:20] <exec> 08└─Why on Earth would anybody be using pseudo code? Even for beginning programmers still learning, you're better off just using comments for that purpose. That way you already have comments about what you intend for a given block of code to do, even before you actually type it. People citing it's resem...
[20:36:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Programming Language Popularity: Python Tightens Its Grip At The Top - 105 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:36:22] <exec> 08└─Here is a true thing: If there were one perfect programming language, everyone would be using it already.
[20:36:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03HiThere [866] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Programming Language Popularity: Python Tightens Its Grip At The Top - 1251 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:36:24] <exec> 08└─Depends on what you're doing. Python has a lot of nice features, and a wide range of applicability, but it doesn't make byte aligned structures easy. (Well, C++ doesn't either by the language specs, but if you know your compiler it does...to which I say, ugh!, but OK.) And Python also doesn't make c...
[20:36:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03HiThere [866] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Music Publishers Say Peloton Stole Even More Music, Ask for $300 Million - 332 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:36:54] <exec> 08└─The problem is, it's not the artists that would be rewarded, it's the MPAA (or the RIAA?). Otherwise I'd call your post insightful...except that the "justice system" isn't concerned with justice, only with law...and, of course, corruption, but whether corruption is happening in this particular case...
[20:38:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03etherscythe [937] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Once or Twice Weekly Daytime Nap, But Not More, Linked to Lower Heart Attack/Stroke Risk - 261 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:38:35] <exec> 08└─We also didn't evolve to deal with light and noise pollution. We aren't the only ones, either; lots of species are documented as being thrown off by artificial light sources and having to adjust their mating call frequencies (when possible - not all birds can).
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[21:32:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Why You May Have to Wait Longer to Check Out an E-Book from Your Local Library - 750 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:32:50] <exec> 08└─Here's what I do. I see books and magazines at the supermarket, library, etc. I pull out my phone and take photos of any interesting looking covers, one at a time or a whole shelf in one photo. At home, I can pull out my phone and check the photos, without having to remember anything I looked at. Th...
[21:32:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Why You May Have to Wait Longer to Check Out an E-Book from Your Local Library - 253 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:32:52] <exec> 08└─Most people using LCDs or LEDs or OLEDs instead of phosphors now. Big empty book shelves good for old computer equipment that is Junque. ("junque" is good stuff that is too good to throw away -- despite that is what will happen to it eventually anyway.)
[21:32:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Informative) 02 - 06Why You May Have to Wait Longer to Check Out an E-Book from Your Local Library - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:32:54] <exec> 08└─There is plenty wrong with how the IP system operates. Being a parasitic leech is just one of them.
[21:32:55] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] 02 - 06Why You May Have to Wait Longer to Check Out an E-Book from Your Local Library - 734 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:32:56] <exec> 08└─This is what is so exasperating about copyright. Our public libraries could go fully digital. Paper has a few advantages, but those are blown away by the advantages of digital. Starting with, digital data is so much more searchable. It takes far less physical space. There's no more bull about return...
[21:32:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Why You May Have to Wait Longer to Check Out an E-Book from Your Local Library - 298 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:32:58] <exec> 08└─What changes to the ICUP system do you think are going to stop people from getting free books? Nothing will stop it other than burning everything down. Even if so-called leeches caused many publishers to go out of business, there would still be plenty of old content and new content being released.
[21:32:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Why You May Have to Wait Longer to Check Out an E-Book from Your Local Library - 199 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:33:00] <exec> 08└─No harm done? You've just taken a couple of bucks out of some millionaires/billionaires pocket! How dare you force him to make it up by spending hundreds of thousands of dollars lobbying politicians!
[21:33:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Why You May Have to Wait Longer to Check Out an E-Book from Your Local Library - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:33:03] <exec> 08└─Product has infinite supply, and zero cost. Guess I'll pay Macmillan... not.
[21:33:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Why You May Have to Wait Longer to Check Out an E-Book from Your Local Library - 71 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:33:05] <exec> 08└─I hurt the poor sap who crafts each and every copy of an ebook by hand.
[21:33:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03SemperOSS [5072] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Why You May Have to Wait Longer to Check Out an E-Book from Your Local Library - 1204 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:33:07] <exec> 08└─In some countries, publishers are forced by law to sell copies of any books they publish/sell in the country to libraries at a fixed (very low) price per book and then the publisher/author receives a (very) small amount for every book lent out. This may seem unfair to the publishers and authors but...
[21:33:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Why You May Have to Wait Longer to Check Out an E-Book from Your Local Library - 29 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:33:09] <exec> 08└─Information wants to be free.
[21:33:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Ten Year Old Proton Radius Mystery Solved - Sadly No New Physics - 177 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:33:18] <exec> 08└─What is the definition of "radius" here? I mean, we are obviously dealing in QM-level dimension where things are non-local. What is the boundary between "inside" and "outside"?
[21:33:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Interesting) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 279 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:33:51] <exec> 08└─Have you used a non-Chromium-based browser on a non-Windows, non-Linux OS lately? Websites don't work well, (rapidly-changing) standards be damned. We haven't achieved write-once, read-anywhere. Instead we're returning to a monoculture. Except this time Google is the gatekeeper.
[21:33:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03DECbot [832] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 12 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:33:53] <exec> 08└─Baabaaaaahh!
[21:33:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Pino P [4721] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:33:55] <exec> 08└─Have you used a non-Chromium-based browser
[21:33:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03DECbot [832] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 253 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:33:57] <exec> 08└─It means you don't have to develop and deploy five different versions of an application, one for each major desktop and mobile operating system, and you don't have to have a platform curator (such as Apple) approve them before they go out to the public.
[21:33:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Pino P [4721] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 184 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:33:59] <exec> 08└─Two things make WebAssembly different from Java: a C-like memory model for a wider variety of source languages, and lack of legal encumbrance by One Rich American Called Larry Ellison.
[21:34:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 157 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:34:02] <exec> 08└─The bloat has been getting increasingly worse for at least a decade. It won't solve things, but adding uBlock Origin and NoScript to your browser helps some.
[21:34:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 458 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:34:04] <exec> 08└─You have to remember that clicking the right thing interacts with the DOM. So if you get creative with the hiding and showing of elements, then you can do a full blown calendar. Between HTML, CSS, and user interaction, you can code any program you'd like into CSS. The real question is how complicate...
[21:34:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03HiThere [866] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 672 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:34:06] <exec> 08└─Well, but Java was originally the province of Sun. So being once owned by someone with reasonable ethics isn't proof of what will happen. And Java-the-language (including the parts call Jakarta) is being released into the open source (possible Free Software) world, with Oracle only holding onto the...
[21:34:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03srobert [4803] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:34:08] <exec> 08└─What can we add to make it less bloated?
[21:34:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 27 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:34:10] <exec> 08└─A memory leaking Adblocker.
[21:35:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03PartTimeZombie [4827] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:35:52] <exec> 08└─+ 1 Funny, but also +1 Insightful or something, because this sounds like a business model.
[21:35:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03HiThere [866] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 1298 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:35:53] <exec> 08└─Back in the day I had occasionally to do fractional allocation of columns of floating point numbers that had to add to precisely the displayed total when printed in columns with two decimal places. And I had to do this in MSAccess Basic. It's a real pain, but it's actually quite doable. You need to...
[21:35:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:35:55] <exec> 08└─"You bought the wrong TV, silly-head!" [youtube.com]
[21:35:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03theluggage [1797] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:35:58] <exec> 08└─Did you know that floating point cannot exactly represent a value as common as 0.10 ?
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[22:33:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03CheesyMoo [6853] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Why You May Have to Wait Longer to Check Out an E-Book from Your Local Library - 529 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:33:07] <exec> 08└─and I haven't read hardly any of them. I like the idea of digital books, lots of the obvious benefits have already been stated in this thread. But curling up with a laptop or kindle is just not the same as a physical book. Luckily my local library has a pretty great interlibrary loan system and I ca...
[22:33:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Why You May Have to Wait Longer to Check Out an E-Book from Your Local Library - 230 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:33:08] <exec> 08└─It's a nice idea. But I also like the idea of a microSD card holding up to hundreds of thousands or millions of ebooks. A library on a fingertip. You won't read 1% of the contents, but you can pull up anything you want in seconds.
[22:33:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Freeman [732] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Why You May Have to Wait Longer to Check Out an E-Book from Your Local Library - 560 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:33:10] <exec> 08└─#1 You can't easily flip through a digital book and find that thing you sort of remember. #2 The total loss scenario for paper books is much more catastrophic than "sudo rm -r" (Delete All) or just issues with hardware storage media. #3 I don't need power to access my paper book. #4 It's really simp...
[22:33:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Informative) 02 - 06Why You May Have to Wait Longer to Check Out an E-Book from Your Local Library - 172 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:33:12] <exec> 08└─To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries.
[22:33:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Why You May Have to Wait Longer to Check Out an E-Book from Your Local Library - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:33:15] <exec> 08└─If libraries didn't already exist, and someone tried to create one today, they'd be sued into oblivion.
[22:33:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Freeman [732] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Why You May Have to Wait Longer to Check Out an E-Book from Your Local Library - 2343 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:33:17] <exec> 08└─There are definite up sides to using ebooks. For one, you can search an ebook much faster than you can a print book. Though, a lot of the hard work may have already been done for you, if there's an Index in a physcial book. An obvious advantage for ebooks is the ability to access entire libraries wo...
[22:33:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Freeman [732] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Why You May Have to Wait Longer to Check Out an E-Book from Your Local Library - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:33:19] <exec> 08└─The second link should have been: https://librivox.org [librivox.org] Audio Books.
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[22:33:36] <exec> 08└─DTN (Disruption/Delay Tolerant Networking) might be a welcome technology in scenarios such as this. Instead of refreshing and hoping the cache will store something (some websites out-rite disable caching of their website), DTN would transmit the packets whenever it could, using a "Custody" method wh...
[22:33:50] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Arik [4543] 02 - 06Web Bloat - 321 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:33:50] <exec> 08└─The advertisers have taken over the browsers, and passed off an ability to glue their tools together as 'coding.' This has given rise to a generation of 'web developers' that should never be allowed anywhere a computer again, but are nonetheless gainfully employed doing evil 24/7. And the herd conti...
[22:34:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 430 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:34:11] <exec> 08└─Forgot Apple was technically BSD-derivative, even though I was thinking about BSDs specifically. I've found that almost all sites with CAPTCHAs require me to do Google's homework by default, and many even refuse to serve me the CAPTCHA. This behavior goes away if I switch to a Google-owned browser....
[22:34:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:34:13] <exec> 08└─...if 99%+ of the text content of the web were accessible from the sticks....
[22:34:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:34:15] <exec> 08└─(Note: I'd love for this to be implemented on Cell phones for disaster scenarios as well)
[22:34:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 258 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:34:17] <exec> 08└─"From the sticks" = "from the countryside, far from any city, possible in a forest". You know? The places where the Internet is delivered by smoke signals. What the hell do they teach you kids in school these days? And, while we are at it, get off my lawn!!!
[22:34:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 29 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:34:19] <exec> 08└─It's not false when it's true
[22:36:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Microsoft is Working on Foldable Surface Devices With Liquid-Powered Hinges - 12 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:36:27] <exec> 08└─It's a Trap!
[22:37:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Programming Language Popularity: Python Tightens Its Grip At The Top - 425 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:37:03] <exec> 08└─If it were perfect (whatever that means, ideal for all uses, users, maybe other virtues), then there would be a huge incentive. Niether inches nor centimeters are "inherently" perfect -- although there might be various pros and cons to using them. I see programming languages as being in the pros and...
[22:37:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Programming Language Popularity: Python Tightens Its Grip At The Top - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:37:04] <exec> 08└─Python has a lot of nice features, and a wide range of applicability, but it doesn't make byte aligned structures easy.
[22:37:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Programming Language Popularity: Python Tightens Its Grip At The Top - 257 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:37:06] <exec> 08└─I have this sinking feeling Perl can do byte aligned structures. I've used it enough over the past few decades to realize "just write a perl script" covers pretty much everything outside of poor management, and I'm not sure it can't make up for that either.
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[23:32:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Insightful) 02 - 06Makers of OxiCotin, Purdue Pharma, Files Reorganization Chapter 11 "Bankrupty" - 136 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:32:48] <exec> 08└─C11 bankrupcy is to reorg and revive the outfit. Revive? Them fuckers (the management, the c-suite) belong in pound-in-the-ass fed pent!
[23:32:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Makers of OxiCotin, Purdue Pharma, Files Reorganization Chapter 11 "Bankrupty" - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:32:50] <exec> 08└─CEO: "Doc, the bankruptcy has given me a horrible migraine. I need some really really strong pain meds, please!"
[23:32:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Makers of OxiCotin, Purdue Pharma, Files Reorganization Chapter 11 "Bankrupty" - 473 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:32:52] <exec> 08└─The only way this shit is going to stop is if the people who gain from it lose *everything.* Throw them in federal PMITA prison, *after* stripping every last cent from them. In fact, do them one better: remove every red penny they have, and then...let them go. Let them make their way in the world wi...
[23:32:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06WVU Astronomers Help Detect the Most Massive Neutron Star Ever Measured - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:32:59] <exec> 08└─Most massive neutron star Mega neutron star Mega neutron .... Megatron Megatron the decepticon Decepticons deceive Megatron megadeceive ...
[23:33:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: -1, Troll) 02 - 06WVU Astronomers Help Detect the Most Massive Neutron Star Ever Measured - 104 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:33:01] <exec> 08└─West Virginia, a state known for fat-ass welfare recipients, discovers the fattest star in the universe.
[23:33:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Why You May Have to Wait Longer to Check Out an E-Book from Your Local Library - 195 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:33:27] <exec> 08└─No problem with you stickin it to the mcMan, rent seeking our hard earned. However gp stated a practice of seeking to pirate _all_ books available. That is only goimg to hurt authors in long run.
[23:33:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Why You May Have to Wait Longer to Check Out an E-Book from Your Local Library - 578 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:33:28] <exec> 08└─Dad died 18 months ago, I snagged his Kindle. I thought I would hate ereaders, boy was I wrong. I love this thing. But, when it comes to getting stuff from the library there are issues: 1) Most ebooks I want to read have a waiting list. 2) When my ebook is available I have 2 weeks to read it, not th...
[23:33:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03zoward [4734] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Why You May Have to Wait Longer to Check Out an E-Book from Your Local Library - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:33:31] <exec> 08└─I sideloaded FBReader on my Kindle Fire. Problem solved.
[23:33:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Why You May Have to Wait Longer to Check Out an E-Book from Your Local Library - 466 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:33:33] <exec> 08└─#1 If you misremember which book has that thing you sort of remember, the computer can run it down for you a whole lot faster. #2 True, true. #3 Yes, yes you do need power. You can't read in the dark; you need light. Might be direct sunlight, but that's definitely power. #4 Notes can be written down...
[23:33:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Why You May Have to Wait Longer to Check Out an E-Book from Your Local Library - 116 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:33:35] <exec> 08└─I already have all the books written in my birth language; just waiting for somebody to finish the task for English.
[23:33:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Why You May Have to Wait Longer to Check Out an E-Book from Your Local Library - 13 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:33:37] <exec> 08└─Junque++ 👍
[23:33:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Ten Year Old Proton Radius Mystery Solved - Sadly No New Physics - 772 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:33:47] <exec> 08└─I remember around '80 or so my boss used a logic analyzer to find a problem. I was taught bits go in, and bits come out instantly. That logic analyzer showed a 12 ns delay from input to output (it was a 74xx inverter). Yeah, I remember it. I could even remember the name of the LA maker until I neede...
[23:33:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Ten Year Old Proton Radius Mystery Solved - Sadly No New Physics - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:33:50] <exec> 08└─I'm old, makes me wonder what mind boggling things they'll learn in the 10-20 years I have left.
[23:34:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 1, Funny) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 71 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:34:38] <exec> 08└─Norton AD Blocker for Linux. Download the trial three DVD set for free.
[23:34:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:34:40] <exec> 08└─"But when it's not quite true, it's false." technically correct is the best kind of correct.
[23:34:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03barbara hudson [6443] (Score: 3, Insightful) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 576 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:34:42] <exec> 08└─Sorry, what you consider a valuable consideration is junk to me. Consider this - if you didn't waste all that time and infrastructure on JavaScript tracking shit, you would cut your costs by 3/4 or more. And text ad revenue would give you half what you get now. You'd be far more profitable. (Adverti...
[23:34:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:34:44] <exec> 08└─Would this overcome the China firewall?
[23:34:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03barbara hudson [6443] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 152 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:34:46] <exec> 08└─Or a hipster, who doesn't know the sticks or the boonies (boondocks) or Hicksville or any place that used to have an outhouse with a Sears catalogue ...
[23:34:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:34:49] <exec> 08└─If we were to design a new framework to handle these problems, how would it operate?
[23:34:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03vux984 [5045] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:34:51] <exec> 08└─It is a common misconception that JavaScript is required for any sort of real application
[23:34:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03NotSanguine [285] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 319 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:34:53] <exec> 08└─I seem to recall this problem getting "solved" once. Sun's would develop the JVM that provides a unified platform for all developers to program against. From remote control to super computer, it would all supposedly run the same code without refactoring. Thus, Java, the second most hated programming...
[23:34:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03barbara hudson [6443] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 1168 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:34:55] <exec> 08└─Sorry, but it STILL doesn't deliver the same experience to all users. This site has problems with css in mobile Safari (though it works in links, but it is certainly not the same experience). HTML was supposed to separate content from presentation, letting the user agent choose what rendering was ac...
[23:34:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03barbara hudson [6443] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:34:57] <exec> 08└─Regular sites don't work properly on mobile, doesn't matter the OS or browser.
[23:34:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03jurov [6250] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 308 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:34:59] <exec> 08└─uMatrix for Firefox allows you to selectively enable javascript and other web (mis)features. It is not trivial, sometimes you have to repeat unblock and refresh several times. But for requently visited sites it does save time and blocks annoying popups. There's also NoScript which is somewhat easier...
[23:35:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 69 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:35:02] <exec> 08└─Sorry, but it STILL doesn't deliver the same experience to all users.
[23:35:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:35:04] <exec> 08└─We pay you negatively valuable consideration in exchange for your turning on JavaScript...
[23:35:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:35:06] <exec> 08└─(was about to make a joke on the line of "Sears catalogue? You hipster", but then I checked what was the date of the oldest Sears catalogue and decided that is old enough)
[23:35:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Web Bloat - 1444 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:35:08] <exec> 08└─JS is an incredibly dynamic language. Any variable can be literally anything, defined anywhere. And of course libraries can come from anywhere, potentially not even really available on the local server prior to browser execution because you know how that marketing tracker needs to know the page has...
[23:36:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 393 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:36:53] <exec> 08└─Most COBOL code stick because of regulations. That data you have? By law must match what it did last year. So you re-wrote it. Does it match? *reaaaaallly* match. I mean all several trillion records you have. Does it match? Does it roll up the same? OR leave it the fuck alone and the regulators are...
[23:36:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 936 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:36:55] <exec> 08└─Your scaled integer solution (storing everything as an integer penny amount, for example) works when you are doing simple sums, differences, and integer multiplications. It fails everywhere everywhere else. integer + integer -> integer integer - integer -> integer integer * integer -> integer intege...
[23:36:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Is COBOL Holding you Hostage with Math? - 245 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:36:57] <exec> 08└─- Use a library that correctly implements decimal arithmetic (like Java's BigDecimal). TFA mentions this, but doesn't really bring the point home. This is the cleaner solution, but may deliver results slightly different from existing Cobol code.
[23:37:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03HiThere [866] (Score: 2) 02 - 06Programming Language Popularity: Python Tightens Its Grip At The Top - 1104 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:37:59] <exec> 08└─You're missing the point. Every Turing complete language (i.e. all common computer languages) CAN do anything computable. I *can* do byte aligned structures in Python. It's just a real pain. Enough of a pain that I always contemplate doing them in C and handling the interface problem...but it's not...
[23:38:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Programming Language Popularity: Python Tightens Its Grip At The Top - 194 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:38:00] <exec> 08└─Article: "Python retains its top spot as the most popular language for electrical and electronics engineers." [Emphasis added] It's not talking about the general programming market, but a niche.
[23:38:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score: 0) 02 - 06Time is Running Out for India to Establish Contact With its Lunar Lander - 334 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:38:13] <exec> 08└─It took the US Ranger probe series 7 tries to work right in the mid 1960's. People were wondering if a manned landing was even possible given all the problems they were encountering trying to to get a simple non-landing reconnaissance probe to work. It's like, "How can we make an oven when our toast...
[23:40:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Study Finds the Universe Might be 2 Billion Years Younger - 154 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:40:58] <exec> 08└─Some AC is asserting the age of the universe is different, not merely could be different. So it is reasonable to ask what is the evidence to support that?
[23:40:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score: 1) 02 - 06Study Finds the Universe Might be 2 Billion Years Younger - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:41:00] <exec> 08└─GP is right the authors should be ashamed for not including systematic error.
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