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[00:42:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Wonderful... - 06Denuvo Forgets to Secure Server, Leaks Years of Messages From Game Makers - 168 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:42:26] <exec> 08└─"Hey, those DRM makers can't secure their web page" - news. "Hey, let's read every message in this stolen database from a non-scumbagish private company" - not ethical.
[00:42:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Wonderful... - 06Denuvo Forgets to Secure Server, Leaks Years of Messages From Game Makers - 148 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:42:28] <exec> 08└─https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/23561 [wikileaks.org] The good thing is we know we do not need to worry about those pizza related maps!
[00:42:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Problem - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 388 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:42:42] <exec> 08└─Edit: "But, it IS NOT something the government *SHOULD* regulate." If you think it cannot be done then your knowledge of other countries is severely lacking... This is something EVERYONE should fight tooth and nail against regardless. Make no mistake this is the battle cry for authoritarians everywh...
[00:42:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Problem - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 569 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:42:44] <exec> 08└─The fake news isn't news, therefore it isn't protected by the first amendment for the same reason that other forms of fraud aren't protected. The big issue here is figuring out how to separate shitty news from fake news. The former should be protected, but the latter really shouldn't. Unfortunately,...
[00:42:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03slinches [5049] (Score:2) 02Re:The problem is Violent Imposition - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 134 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:42:49] <exec> 08└─I thought that's why we have states. I bet one or two would try something along the lines of libertarianism, if given the opportunity.
[00:42:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:They'll move to another country - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 286 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:43:00] <exec> 08└─If it's published under a .ru or similarly obscure domain name for English language news about the US, then there's not much point in trying to stop that, people aren't going to give it any credibility given the degree to which the authorities in Russia control any sort of media there.
[00:43:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score:2) 02Re:Stages of grief - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 444 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:43:10] <exec> 08└─The "stages of grief," and grief itself, are luxuries. I cannot afford them. So I don't have them. Instead, I have what I've always had: pure, clearsighted, simple vision. I've seen this show before; it never ends well. And it's always small-time nobodies like you who think you stand to gain from th...
[00:43:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score:2) 02Re:Stages of grief - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 116 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:43:13] <exec> 08└─Why? We all know it already. Maybe you and he can save some money and get a group ticket. I gave up on you ages ago.
[00:43:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) 02Re:No! No no no no no. And no. - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:43:24] <exec> 08└─Just curious, which party holds most of the jobs in education? You think there might be some causation there or just a really big coincidence?
[00:43:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:No! No no no no no. And no. - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 146 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:43:26] <exec> 08└─It's probably the same party that owns the scientists and maintains the global conspiracy on global warming, evolution and gravitational "theory".
[00:43:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) 02Re:No! No no no no no. And no. - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:43:31] <exec> 08└─You have an unusual mix of friends and family.
[00:43:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) 02Re:No! No no no no no. And no. - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 37 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:43:34] <exec> 08└─TMB you're bias shows... like, a LOT!
[00:43:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Zz9zZ [1348] (Score:2) 02Re:No! No no no no no. And no. - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 1976 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:43:36] <exec> 08└─I was not talking about rioting, I was talking about the government authority that libertarians complain so vocally about. The "monopoly on violence" to push laws on us poor folks. The US has gotten incredibly more progressive in the last 60 years: no more legal segregation, women's rights over thei...
[00:43:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03KilroySmith [2113] (Score:2) 02Re:Clean energy not the future in the US - 06Why China is Dominating the Solar Industry - 874 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:43:57] <exec> 08└─The '50s were a great decade for the USA, and lead it to believe that it was the engine of prosperity for the world. What people like orange-hair don't understand is that the 50's were great for the US because every other industrial power had just been bombed into the previous century. Continental E...
[00:44:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Exactly Backwards - 06Why China is Dominating the Solar Industry - 270 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:44:01] <exec> 08└─They dominate for the same reason that they dominate so many other markets: the Chinese government doesn't give a shit about their people, or anyone else for that matter. Pollution is rampant in China and they have plenty of slave labor, or near-slave labor, to exploit.
[00:44:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Because US = rolling coal - 06Why China is Dominating the Solar Industry - 57 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:44:03] <exec> 08└─and leaky oil pipes, fracking shale and tar pits and shit
[00:44:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02War is costly - 06NOAA Whistleblower: Climate Data Was Manipulated, the Computers Used "Suffered a Complete Failure" - 158 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:44:24] <exec> 08└─If your interaction is not governed by a well-defined contract, then all bets are off; undefined behavior is a very dangerous domain in which to be operating.
[00:44:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03meustrus [4961] (Score:2) 02Re:The REAL problem - 06NOAA Whistleblower: Climate Data Was Manipulated, the Computers Used "Suffered a Complete Failure" - 689 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:44:39] <exec> 08└─Gridless power is not the problem. It's the ultimate upside. When all power is off the grid, and it can be with renewable sources and house batteries, we can get rid of one of our most intransigent monopolies, thereby eliminating the need for hefty government regulation of that monopoly. It represen...
[00:44:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nobuddy [1626] (Score:2) 02Re:Lead-gas was government; clean env was private. - 06NOAA Whistleblower: Climate Data Was Manipulated, the Computers Used "Suffered a Complete Failure" - 448 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:44:53] <exec> 08└─you would be wrong. Refined aluminum or titanium was rare and expensive because we had no cheap way to refine it. However, you are assuming you need refined pure titanium or aluminum in order to make the paints. That is not true. These are the naturally occurring compounds that we needed to learn to...
[00:45:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nobuddy [1626] (Score:2) 02Re:The REAL problem - 06NOAA Whistleblower: Climate Data Was Manipulated, the Computers Used "Suffered a Complete Failure" - 36 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:45:01] <exec> 08└─Don't forget good, safe old tobacco.
[00:45:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score:2) 02Re:That is not a big hack - 06A Hacker Just Pwned Over 150,000 Printers Left Exposed Online - 1301 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:45:36] <exec> 08└─Sure we do. We don't hide everything behind a NAT because of IPv4 address exhaustion. Well not ONLY because of that, we hide behind NAT because we all know 95% of the hosts currently connected to the Internet wouldn't survive an hour directly connected. IPv6 makes this situation worse because: 1. No...
[00:46:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Which successful libre console? - 06PS4 Will Soon Support External USB Hard Drives - 1643 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:46:04] <exec> 08└─2600 had more success because of what Nolan Bushnell did. He managed to corner the market. Yep. He knew exactly what it took to make the Atari 2600 and the games. It took at 650x processor a bit of ram and a graphics processor and sound chipset. Not terribly hard to make for most companies in the Ba...
[00:46:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03damnbunni [704] (Score:2) 02Re:Cache on internal NAND - 06PS4 Will Soon Support External USB Hard Drives - 176 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:46:10] <exec> 08└─That might work okay for a virtual console title - they're small. Copying a 13 - 20 gig full game from an external hard drive to internal microSDXC would take 20 to 30 minutes.
[00:46:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03damnbunni [704] (Score:2) 02Re:Switch is the Xboy - 06PS4 Will Soon Support External USB Hard Drives - 204 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:46:16] <exec> 08└─People keep harping on the Switch's battery life in handheld mode, but it's the same as the original 3DS. People complained about the battery life on that too, but it doesn't seem to have hurt sales much.
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[01:42:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Invalid Patent - 06Patent Troll Sues Netflix Over Offline Downloads - 140 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:42:21] <exec> 08└─The U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly reiterated that no, taking something basic, and adding "with a computer" does not make a valid patent.
[01:42:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0, Disagree) 02Re:Wonderful... - 06Denuvo Forgets to Secure Server, Leaks Years of Messages From Game Makers - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:42:31] <exec> 08└─What are you talking about? And did someone break into a building and physically steal a database?
[01:42:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03tizan [3245] (Score:2) 02Re:Problem - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 448 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:42:47] <exec> 08└─there is already law against it i believe...just like "shouting fire" is not free speech if it is intented to do harm in a theater for example. So writing and spreading with full knowledge fake news can and will cause harm to somebody..so they should be dealt under the law appropriately. The questio...
[01:43:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) 02Re:No! No no no no no. And no. - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 523 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:43:31] <exec> 08└─That liberal and progressive largely coincided until the late 90s should not be taken as an endorsement of progressiveism. Progressiveism can never end or those making money off of it stop making money off of it. Thus, once a rough equality was reached, they turned away from equality and began progr...
[01:43:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Zz9zZ [1348] (Score:2) 02Re:No! No no no no no. And no. - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 715 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:43:32] <exec> 08└─I never said there weren't extremist liberals, there totally are. However, percentage-wise the conservative base has typically had a more violent population and no amount of hissy fits from you will change that fact. As usual you have selective memory where the facts only support your world view, so...
[01:43:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Clean energy not the future in the US - 06Why China is Dominating the Solar Industry - 493 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:43:52] <exec> 08└─I've read that the new Solar City (Tesla) factory in Buffalo, NY will employ about 1500 people. This is for what is being billed as the largest solar cell/panel factory in the western hemisphere. I think the number of jobs was higher when the plant was first expanded to the current size*, so perhaps...
[01:44:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Yeah. Voluntary agreement is very different. Agree - 06NOAA Whistleblower: Climate Data Was Manipulated, the Computers Used "Suffered a Complete Failure" - 4 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:44:21] <exec> 08└─Yup.
[01:45:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Re:I'm immune! I only have a black-and-white print - 06A Hacker Just Pwned Over 150,000 Printers Left Exposed Online - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:45:09] <exec> 08└─Nope. I was simply didn't want anyone to polish it: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewelers'_rouge
[01:45:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Re:That is not a big hack - 06A Hacker Just Pwned Over 150,000 Printers Left Exposed Online - 368 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:45:45] <exec> 08└─You are aware that machines can be on two or more different subnets simultaniously? They can certainly see both the outside world and the internal devices at the same time without the internal devices being accessible from the outside world. That doesn't even require a firewall, let alone a DMZ. DHC...
[01:47:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Re:I know why they can't keep up - 06Vinyl Record Production Gets a Much-Needed Tech Upgrade - 403 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:47:41] <exec> 08└─I rip my CDs, to an MP3 bitrate significantly higher than I was able to ABX (160kbps ABR easy to hear, 192 seemed good enough given the rest of my PC-source system, 224 is what lame seems to average to with my chosen parameters). However, I don't sell my CDs, so I can always play them through my rea...
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[02:42:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:Problem - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 477 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:42:58] <exec> 08└─Except - the constitution doesn't guarantee the freedom to define the news. It does guarantee the freedom of speech, and the freedom of the press. Tabloids have been free to publish nonsense, forever. And, housewives have been free to discuss the cow that gave birth to tiger cubs for at least as lon...
[02:43:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Libertarianism is already all around us - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:43:04] <exec> 08└─The ideas of libertarian pervade society
[02:43:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The problem is Violent Imposition - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 339 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:43:07] <exec> 08└─If all our state laws, conventions, and standards are too different, then commerce suffers. That being said, red states cannot seem to stand blue states and vice versa such that perhaps the US should be split into 2 or 3 nations rather than keep having the red/blue fight in DC. DC is dysfunctional....
[02:43:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03n1 [993] (Score:2) 02Re:Zeroheadge == Zero insight - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 391 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:43:15] <exec> 08└─I wasn't supporting zerohedge analysis or conclusion, just highlighting it as the counter argument to the 'polls' zerohedge used to have a decent article every so often, but since the election they are just a PR department for the new administration and are making some serious leaps in logic and ign...
[02:43:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:Stages of grief - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:43:29] <exec> 08└─LMAO - you're the only one with clear vision. Yeah - got it.
[02:43:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:2) 02Re:Good grief, the stupid burns! - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 845 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:43:37] <exec> 08└─I agree with jmorris, which should tell you how bad of an idea this is since we're somewhere near the opposite ends of the political spectrum. The only legitimate counter to speech or printed words that you don't like or think is wrong: Speech and printed words that refute them, ideally with solid e...
[02:43:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Virtue Signalling Overdrive - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 343 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:43:39] <exec> 08└─Its making a mountain out of a molehill. One op-ed column said something that was more click-bait than anything else, techdirt took the bait and spooged all over it and now we're getting techdirt's sloppy seconds here. Of course this was never going to happen. But it did give a lot of people the cha...
[02:43:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score:2) 02Re:No! No no no no no. And no. - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:43:54] <exec> 08└─He means un-sanctioned violence. Y'see when the state does it, so long as he agrees with it, it's fine.
[02:43:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) 02Re:No! No no no no no. And no. - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 485 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:43:55] <exec> 08└─Yes, do please tell everyone how the poster boy libertarian adores state use of power. Might as well say you're a libertarian yourself and then go on about how you want the government to use its power to make people act, speak, and think like you believe they should some more. Here's a clue since I...
[02:44:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score:2) 02Re:It is called "planning" - 06Why China is Dominating the Solar Industry - 106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:44:13] <exec> 08└─I posted some alternative facts about this, last April. /article.pl?sid=16/04/02/0245241 [soylentnews.org]
[02:44:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03caffeine [249] (Score:2) 02Currency is a weapon - 06Why China is Dominating the Solar Industry - 262 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:44:24] <exec> 08└─China dominates solar like almost all other industries because their government worked out how to use currency to their advantage long ago. China is buying a lot of real assets around the world, and the money is not coming from selling cheap stuff to westerners.
[02:44:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Governments corrupt business, not the other way. - 06NOAA Whistleblower: Climate Data Was Manipulated, the Computers Used "Suffered a Complete Failure" - 264 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:44:53] <exec> 08└─Because governments offer such centralized control of power for sale, businesses are naturally enticed to buy that power; it is not the case that government has been corrupted by those businesses, but rather that those businesses have been corrupted by government.
[02:44:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The REAL problem - 06NOAA Whistleblower: Climate Data Was Manipulated, the Computers Used "Suffered a Complete Failure" - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:44:54] <exec> 08└─The Daily Mail? That's almost as reliable as Trump.
[02:45:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02One dollar from government makes it governmental - 06NOAA Whistleblower: Climate Data Was Manipulated, the Computers Used "Suffered a Complete Failure" - 159 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:45:14] <exec> 08└─Typical statist logic: If government's shotgun spray of stolen cash touches anything useful, then that usefulness must have been impossible without government.
[02:45:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02The Fed is ordained by the goddamn Constitution... - 06NOAA Whistleblower: Climate Data Was Manipulated, the Computers Used "Suffered a Complete Failure" - 146 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:45:27] <exec> 08└─... it ain't private. You really cannot get more governmental than that. FDR prolonged and worsened the depression; what don't you get about that?
[02:46:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:Switch is the Xboy - 06PS4 Will Soon Support External USB Hard Drives - 431 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:46:43] <exec> 08└─We should compare it to something that came out over 12 years ago? I don't think so. Sure, the Switch handheld has a lot more CPU/GPU power than predecessors, but the power consumption of other components should have improved over time, especially given all the work that has been put into making sma...
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[03:42:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Prior art... - 06Patent Troll Sues Netflix Over Offline Downloads - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:42:32] <exec> 08└─In 1982 I bought my first VCR, you could save TV programs for later viewing. Patent trolls need to be sent to Guantanamo bay and locked up.
[03:42:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03r1348 [5988] (Score:3, Informative) 02Read the patent - 06Patent Troll Sues Netflix Over Offline Downloads - 323 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:42:34] <exec> 08└─http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect2=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/search-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&d=PALL&RefSrch=yes&Query=PN/7174362 [uspto.gov] The patent covers the creation of physical goods on a demand basis starting from an electronic order. How does that even cover offline s...
[03:42:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03arcz [4501] (Score:2, Informative) 02Invalid Patent - 06Patent Troll Sues Netflix Over Offline Downloads - 165 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:42:37] <exec> 08└─The U.S. Supreme Court has repeatedly reiterated that no, taking something basic, and adding "with a computer" does not make a valid patent. (accidentally posted AC)
[03:42:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nerdfest [80] (Score:2) 02Re:Invalid Patent - 06Patent Troll Sues Netflix Over Offline Downloads - 155 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:42:39] <exec> 08└─Unfortunately it's cheaper for people to settle. As a small business, being patent trolled by a bunch of lawyers is like having a gun pointed at your head.
[03:42:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03RandomFactor [3682] (Score:1) 02Re:Invalid Patent - 06Patent Troll Sues Netflix Over Offline Downloads - 227 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:42:41] <exec> 08└─While this is the definition of obvious, invalid, and only applicable by mental gymnastics.... Settling will be priced much cheaper than litigating and winning. I need to go buy something from NewEgg to make myself feel better.
[03:42:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Burn 'em to the ground - 06Patent Troll Sues Netflix Over Offline Downloads - 696 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:42:43] <exec> 08└─Again, I say, destroy them. The court needs to examine this company, and determine that they give NOTHING back to society. The whole business model sucks. Parasites need to be removed and destroyed. The company needs to disappear, their property needs to be confiscated, and turned over to the public...
[03:42:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score:2) 02Re:Burn 'em to the ground - 06Patent Troll Sues Netflix Over Offline Downloads - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:42:45] <exec> 08└─Office furniture is all they really own?
[03:43:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Zeroheadge == Zero insight - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 954 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:43:26] <exec> 08└─There's gotta be a better source for a counterpoint. Or, if there isn't then maybe there is no legitimate counterpoint... There have been some decent analyses of polling failures recently, like these: (the last one in particular explains differential non-response and it did so before the election) T...
[03:43:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score:2) 02Re:Stages of grief - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 204 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:43:41] <exec> 08└─One of many. I'm just a lot less polite about it than most. If that bothers you? Then gb2/hugbox/, Runaway. Don't make me come for you with the belt like your daddy did; you may find women are even worse.
[03:43:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Sulla [5173] (Score:2) 02Re:Stages of grief - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 1112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:43:43] <exec> 08└─First they came for the x, I was not an x so I did nothing Then they came for the y, but I was not a y so I did nothing Then they came for the z, but I was not a z so I did nothing. The warning we are supposed to take from this is that as a z I need to make sure and stick up for the x. When this all...
[03:46:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Pino P [4721] (Score:2) 02Re:Which successful libre console? - 06PS4 Will Soon Support External USB Hard Drives - 127 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:46:28] <exec> 08└─If you look at the nintendo it is not much better tech wise than the atari (with a slightly different CPU and bit more memory).
[03:51:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Here we go again - 06What If an Advisor to the President Had Sworn an Oath of Loyalty to a Foreign Power? - 717 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:51:13] <exec> 08└─Take a long hard look at yourself in the mirror. You just tried to make a 'legal' argument justifying dear leader's abhorrent behavior while simultaneously saying you have no legal expertise from which to draw on. Furthermore no one else said anything about the courts. You had to grasp hard at those...
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[04:42:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02this should be a fun read in the morning - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 208 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:42:19] <exec> 08└─Cue the blablabla about how they're just too lazy, don't have enough sex, shouldn't be going to college, shouldn't be living in cities, and don't wear onions on their belts, which was the style in those days.
[04:42:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:3, Funny) 02Re:this should be a fun read in the morning - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:42:20] <exec> 08└─I know, right? And I didn't even have to submit it.
[04:42:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:this should be a fun read in the morning - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 192 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:42:23] <exec> 08└─I have to admit, it gets the comment counts going. Maybe a few too many over 50 comments for today, but this one still ought to be fresh in the morning. I wonder if the Ancap guy will show up.
[04:42:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) 02Re:this should be a fun read in the morning - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 249 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:42:25] <exec> 08└─Thankfully, as soon as paulej72 gets the free time to do the live deploy, we've got some code going in that drastically speeds up heavily commented story comment pages. Well, for new stories anyway. Old stories will only see about half the speed-up.
[04:42:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:this should be a fun read in the morning - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 80 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:42:27] <exec> 08└─Well, for new stories anyway. Old stories will only see about half the speed-up.
[04:42:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:this should be a fun read in the morning - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 211 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:42:29] <exec> 08└─They should be living in Texas, driving trucks, going to school only for STEM or skilled trades, watching who they sleep with, considering a prenuptial agreement before marriage, and wearing a gun on their belt.
[04:42:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) 02Re:this should be a fun read in the morning - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 213 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:42:31] <exec> 08└─I completely can't tell if that's sarcasm or not. Every bit of it is sound advice but we do get some serious nutters around these parts who'd disagree about what color the sky is just because you said it was blue.
[04:42:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Cost vs value - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 879 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:42:33] <exec> 08└─The actual value of a home is maybe a little higher than it was when I was growing up. The cost has skyrocketed. Where DOES all that money go? Supid question, of course. It finds it's way into the pockets of the upper 1% of the upper 1%. Those big banks that we bailed out a few years ago - the ones...
[04:42:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Cost vs value - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 143 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:42:36] <exec> 08└─That's bad enough, but apparently the Court-Fool-Acting-President is on board with deregulating everything from building codes to finance laws.
[04:42:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Informative) 02Some do, some don't - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 1297 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:42:38] <exec> 08└─I won't use myself as an example here, but I know plenty of people who meet that stereotype. Broke, in hock up to their ears, and no prospect of getting out. Then again, I know quite a few who managed to break the pattern. Constructive jobs, paying well, controlled or nearly nonexistent debt (yes, w...
[04:42:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Zoning Reform - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 726 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:42:40] <exec> 08└─Part of the problem is zoning. In the US we don't allow businesses owners to veto a competing business next door. We need to stop giving homeowners the ability to veto a new home next door. And I say this as a homeowner who has fully paid off his mortgage and thus has the most to lose when my local...
[04:43:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:Problem - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 190 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:43:28] <exec> 08└─Runaway1926! Now a Constitutional Scholar! Move over Barrry "Barack" Obama, Runaway is in the house! And he says: Except - the constitution doesn't guarantee the freedom to define the news.
[04:43:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Problem - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 430 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:43:29] <exec> 08└─It doesn't guarantee the right to fraudulent speech. There's literally centuries of case law on the matter that making shit up isn't protected when being passed off as truth. If you want the first amendment to cover made up shit, write a novel or a screenplay. Not, fake news. The only issue here is...
[04:44:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:Stages of grief - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 637 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:44:01] <exec> 08└─You're being downright silly now. You actually want to try to CREATE a mysogenist? Women are going to love you for that. Good luck to you or anyone else coming after me anyway. I'm not a helpless pre-teen anymore. Funny thing about abusing children. The children tend to grow up, but all you have to...
[04:44:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Good grief, the stupid burns! - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 910 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:44:12] <exec> 08└─The appropriate course is to take them to court for fraud. If they can't provide evidence or sources for what they're printing, then they are scammers and can be dealt with in the usual way. The problem here is that the courts seem to think that the distinction between news and entertainment isn't i...
[04:44:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Tokolosh [585] (Score:1) 02I designed the world's largest polysilicon plant - 06Why China is Dominating the Solar Industry - 1947 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:44:41] <exec> 08└─In 2007, polysilicon prices spiked, due to European demand as stated in the article. Some Chinese businessmen wanted to seize the opportunity, and they were thinking big. So they commissioned the largest plant of its type, costing $1.5 billion, which produced first product in 18 months. If the plant...
[04:45:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Your magical thinking is comical - 06NOAA Whistleblower: Climate Data Was Manipulated, the Computers Used "Suffered a Complete Failure" - 654 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:45:43] <exec> 08└─The Fed is ordained by the goddamn Constitution Actually, no. The Constitution grants the federal gov't the exclusive right to mint money. That's all that that document has to say about money or banking. FDR prolonged and worsened the depression Right. Had USAians just left Hoover in there, doing wh...
[04:47:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02What about the quality of the PROGRAMMING? - 06FCC Working on 4K TV Broadcasting Over the Air - 357 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:47:44] <exec> 08└─I live in Central Washington, and the OTA programming has degraded to complete and total SHIT. One OTA station has already shut down. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the rest of them shut down as well. Watching OTA DTV is, for lack of a better way to put it, ABSOLUTE TORTURE. IMNSHO, the RF...
[04:48:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Pearls before swine. - 06Vinyl Record Production Gets a Much-Needed Tech Upgrade - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:48:18] <exec> 08└─Digital has better dynamics (that are seldom if ever used) and no noise, but it's also hindered by rounding errors, as everything digital does
[04:48:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I know why they can't keep up - 06Vinyl Record Production Gets a Much-Needed Tech Upgrade - 75 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:48:27] <exec> 08└─one way to describe a square wave is an infinite series of odd harmonics...
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[04:48:38] <exec> 08└─I posit that harmonics above a person's hearing affect the audible signal, making the sample sound dead, artificial.
[04:49:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03dry [223] (Score:2) 02Re:Clearly nonsense - 06How Military Pilots Keep Rogue Planes Out of No-Fly Zones Like the Super Bowl - 387 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:49:12] <exec> 08└─Pretty sure brake lights are not required on all cars, just those that had them as original equipment. I have an old motorbike with no turn signals, it's legal as that is how it was sold in 1972. Some of these aircraft are more like bicycles then cars and while bicycles are legal road vehicles, they...
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[05:42:29] <exec> 08└─Oooh! Oooh! Can I try? Let me try! Oh dear. Not living in Texas. I have a van for transporting people, but a truck for everything else. That's OK, right? I get at least half credit? I went to school for STEM. Yay! Point! I got smart and didn't stick it in the crazy. Just YOUR MOM! Booyah! Didn't get...
[05:42:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:this should be a fun read in the morning - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 86 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:42:31] <exec> 08└─Hi, Dad! truck = 18 wheeler or another vehicle requiring a commercial driver's license
[05:42:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:this should be a fun read in the morning - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 121 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:42:33] <exec> 08└─Real men just tow a trailer behind the John Deere, or Massey Ferguson. Advanced real men hitch up a couple of percherons.
[05:42:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Weasley [6421] (Score:1) 02Re:Cost vs value - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 244 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:42:37] <exec> 08└─The president lacks the authority to turn the country into a libertarian utopia. He will accomplish little more than deregulating enough to ensure monopolies are maintained, and the rich get richer...just like every other high level politician.
[05:42:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Invalid Patent - 06Patent Troll Sues Netflix Over Offline Downloads - 248 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:42:57] <exec> 08└─It's cheaper to settle once... What most big companies (who would be able to fight) forget is that it also puts a flashing neon signs of "EASY MARK" on them. Of course, fighting trolls would reduce profits for this quarter, so we can't have that...
[05:42:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nerdfest [80] (Score:2) 02Re:Invalid Patent - 06Patent Troll Sues Netflix Over Offline Downloads - 226 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:42:59] <exec> 08└─Oh, I know all too well. It's effectively the same as paying for the release of hostages; it does nothing to discourage it happening again, and generally encourages it. I like rewarding businesses that stand up to the weasels.
[05:43:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Wonderful... - 06Denuvo Forgets to Secure Server, Leaks Years of Messages From Game Makers - 138 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:43:13] <exec> 08└─Glad to know you feel that way. I bet you wouldn't mind me releasing the nude pics of your teenage daughter for the Internet to gawk over.
[05:43:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Wonderful... - 06Denuvo Forgets to Secure Server, Leaks Years of Messages From Game Makers - 108 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:43:15] <exec> 08└─"Hey, let's read every message in this stolen database from a non-scumbagish private company" - not ethical.
[05:43:24] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] 02Problem - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 220 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:43:25] <exec> 08└─Whether or not it is a problem is completely independent from whether or not it is within the scope of what the government can regulate. In this case it IS a problem. But, it IS NOT something the government can regulate.
[05:43:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Pravda - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 210 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:43:51] <exec> 08└─Or perhaps we shouldn't apply their experience in entire different socio-political climate to ours. And no, I'm not advocating for state run media, I just really hate Godwin's law and it's various permutations.
[05:45:15] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03meustrus [4961] 02Re:The REAL problem - 06NOAA Whistleblower: Climate Data Was Manipulated, the Computers Used "Suffered a Complete Failure" - 605 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:45:15] <exec> 08└─It's pretty easy to see this differently if you change "arguing to receive" to "arguing to maintain". The fossil fuel industry already has a "violently imposed" stranglehold on society's resources. I'll agree with you that centralized control of our resources is bad. However the end result of green...
[05:50:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03lentilla [1770] (Score:2) 02Re:Not sure how this is useful - 06Ultrasound Waves Turn Wine into Brandy - 199 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:50:14] <exec> 08└─"shitfaced": excessively inebriated. Drunk as a skunk, pissed, plastered. Three sheets to the wind. Or; somewhat more politely; "rather jolly" or that most fabulous of phrases: "tired and emotional".
[05:50:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02ouch - 06Ultrasound Waves Turn Wine into Brandy - 93 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:50:26] <exec> 08└─> Ultrasounds are pressure waves that cause tissues to rupture Really? Reeeeally? That hurts.
[05:50:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:Ok - 06China on Track to 100% Electric Bus Fleet in 5-10 Years - 54 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:50:49] <exec> 08└─And how wise are your democratic governments nowadays?
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[06:42:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02How is this snitching? - 06Chrome 56 Quietly Added Bluetooth Snitch API - 366 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:42:19] <exec> 08└─...as a user, you have to explicitly grant the remote web app access to your Bluetooth gadgets before anything happens. Then you select a device to pair with the webpage, and away you go. The webpage can filter for devices, so for example, a health site can ask to be paired with gadgets that have a...
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[06:42:20] <exec> 08└─Checkbox overload. OK sixty times. Sixty-one has something about bluetooth? Oops automatically hit 'ok' well I guess it was probably my bluetooth mouse and keyboard that chrome understands shortcuts from, yay.
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[06:42:41] <exec> 08└─There's room for doubt, depending on how it turns out. For example, a lot of the regulations that are currently in place actively support big incumbents, either by assuming their legitimacy or by acting as a barrier to new market entrants. Case in point, the H1B thing. Mom and Pop aren't complaining...
[06:43:05] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] 02Burn 'em to the ground - 06Patent Troll Sues Netflix Over Offline Downloads - 696 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:43:05] <exec> 08└─Again, I say, destroy them. The court needs to examine this company, and determine that they give NOTHING back to society. The whole business model sucks. Parasites need to be removed and destroyed. The company needs to disappear, their property needs to be confiscated, and turned over to the public...
[06:43:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The problem is Violent Imposition - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 37 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[06:43:46] <exec> 08└─Fake news, formerly called propaganda
[06:44:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Stages of grief - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 165 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[06:44:15] <exec> 08└─The establishment lefties are going thru the usual psychological stages of grief about their obsolete belief system getting rejected by a majority of the population.
[06:44:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bogsnoticus [3982] (Score:2) 02Re:Stages of grief - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 251 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[06:44:16] <exec> 08└─> "The establishment lefties are going thru the usual psychological stages of grief about their obsolete belief system getting rejected by a majority of the population." No, the majority supported it. The Electoral College rejected it. Big difference.
[06:45:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:Lead-gas was government; clean env was private. - 06NOAA Whistleblower: Climate Data Was Manipulated, the Computers Used "Suffered a Complete Failure" - 213 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[06:45:43] <exec> 08└─Ditto leaded paint, no white paints existed at all until titanium dioxide miracle then like next week later ohshit.jpg no one ever could have guessed lead in paint might be bad for you lets ban the hell out of it.
[06:48:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03dry [223] (Score:2) 02Re:I know why they can't keep up - 06Vinyl Record Production Gets a Much-Needed Tech Upgrade - 283 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[06:48:42] <exec> 08└─I remember listening to Dark Side of the Moon on a quad system, 8 track even. It sounded excellent. 8 track was a funny format, it was actually of sounding quite good but there was sure a shortage of music that managed to sound good on it, probably the record companies cheeping out.
[06:48:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Nope - 06Vinyl Record Production Gets a Much-Needed Tech Upgrade - 102 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:48:54] <exec> 08└─Ever wondered why you sometimes have to wait months after an album's launch to get the music on vinyl?
[06:50:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score:2) 02Re:Whisky tastes like gym shoes - 06Ultrasound Waves Turn Wine into Brandy - 1200 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[06:50:17] <exec> 08└─Laphroaig isn't my drink of choice, either. It's a bit too much for me usually, though once in a while I like it for the contrast. I've never bought an entire bottle of it for myself. The reason I brought it up, though, was because it's one of the scotches where I feel longer aging beyond 10 years m...
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[07:42:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:How is this snitching? - 06Chrome 56 Quietly Added Bluetooth Snitch API - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:42:30] <exec> 08└─Oh, but you are so naive, my precious AC! probably my bluetooth mouse and keyboard
[07:42:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:How is this snitching? - 06Chrome 56 Quietly Added Bluetooth Snitch API - 136 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:42:31] <exec> 08└─Or, wait, it was Microsoft. Bluetooth= Microsoft. Let us sit down for a moment to let that sink in, bluetooth is a Microsoft "standard".
[07:42:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:How is this snitching? - 06Chrome 56 Quietly Added Bluetooth Snitch API - 44 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:42:33] <exec> 08└─It's from google. How *won't* it be snitchy?
[07:42:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02The browser is the new JRE - 06Chrome 56 Quietly Added Bluetooth Snitch API - 1229 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:42:35] <exec> 08└─To an extent, I get why this exists, so that people with Bluetooth trackers and such can upload them directly to a website like Fitbit without having to bother to install software. What bothers me is this idea that the web-browser *has* to do everything. My desktop computer has a bluetooth dongle on...
[07:42:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02Re:The browser is the new JRE - 06Chrome 56 Quietly Added Bluetooth Snitch API - 668 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:42:37] <exec> 08└─Update: having now actually read the specification, its limited to BLE GATT profiles. That's *slightly* better since GATT is essentially used to read iBeacons and other locator tags. However, it has a read/write component so a phone can be used to configure with them; I did some freelance work awhil...
[07:42:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:The browser is the new JRE - 06Chrome 56 Quietly Added Bluetooth Snitch API - 86 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:42:40] <exec> 08└─(I've tried Pale Moon, but I find it to be rather laggy on Linux. It's OK on Windows).
[07:43:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Whoever [4524] (Score:2) 02Re:Cost vs value - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 197 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:00] <exec> 08└─The president lacks the authority to turn the country into a libertarian utopia. He will accomplish little more than deregulating enough to ensure monopolies are maintained, and the rich get richer
[07:43:01] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Anonymous Coward 02Some do, some don't - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 1297 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:43:02] <exec> 08└─I won't use myself as an example here, but I know plenty of people who meet that stereotype. Broke, in hock up to their ears, and no prospect of getting out. Then again, I know quite a few who managed to break the pattern. Constructive jobs, paying well, controlled or nearly nonexistent debt (yes, w...
[07:43:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Whoever [4524] (Score:2) 02Re:Zoning Reform - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 540 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:05] <exec> 08└─It varies by state, but mostly, it's not the homeowners. It's the zoning committees who define what density of housing is acceptable in particular zones. Also, I doubt the claim (I can't read the paywalled article). In the Bay Area, I think that the biggest gains and losses (in percentage terms) dur...
[07:43:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02This has nothing to do with home prices - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 3243 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:43:07] <exec> 08└─It's all about the college. There are too many degrees chasing too few jobs. Not to say that there are no jobs at all, just that there aren't as many jobs that actually require degrees as there are students getting those degrees. But businesses still prefer degrees even for jobs where they aren't re...
[07:43:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bogsnoticus [3982] (Score:2) 02Re:Wonderful... - 06Denuvo Forgets to Secure Server, Leaks Years of Messages From Game Makers - 216 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:43] <exec> 08└─> "non-scumbagish private company" DRM only effectively punishes legitimate owners for being honest. Denuvo, being creators of a system designed to punish the honest, so not fall into the category of "non-scumbagish"
[07:43:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Wonderful... - 06Denuvo Forgets to Secure Server, Leaks Years of Messages From Game Makers - 69 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:44] <exec> 08└─stolen database from a non-scumbagish private company" - not ethical.
[07:44:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The problem is Violent Imposition - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 506 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:44:11] <exec> 08└─Well, with the advent of the internet the geographical issues are less of a problem. We may live fat away, but now people can find common ground and fellow supporters more easily. It is a double edged sword, but I think it will work out in the long run. Hopefully we can skip the state vs. Nation bit...
[07:44:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03driverless [4770] (Score:2) 02Re:their gov enables it - 06Why China is Dominating the Solar Industry - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:44:55] <exec> 08└─China subsidises solar, the US subsidises oil. You get what your government pays for (using your tax dollars).
[07:45:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03dry [223] (Score:2) 02Re:Clean energy not the future in the US - 06Why China is Dominating the Solar Industry - 628 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:45:09] <exec> 08└─There were a few other countries that came out of the war intact, though with much smaller populations then the States. Australia and Canada. Unluckily here in Canada we have the same problem, my Provincial Premier thinks that the future is natural gas with a big dam to give power to the natural gas...
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[08:42:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03migz [1807] (Score:2) 02Re:Cost vs value - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 184 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:42:55] <exec> 08└─Monopolies love regulation. That way they can keep competition out. If the government did not create regulations to keep competition out, how would the monopolies maintain their power?
[08:42:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Court-Fool-Acting-President - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:42:56] <exec> 08└─That's not very catchy, I've settled on "The Great Embarrassment" myself.
[08:42:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] (Score:2) 02Re:Some do, some don't - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 2853 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:43:00] <exec> 08└─It's true that the American lifestyle is very wasteful, and a whole lot of could be done to make life more efficient, without sacrifice. The typical dwelling is extremely poor at maintaining a comfortable indoor climate without expensive, energy intensive, and wasteful methods. A ballpark analyses o...
[08:44:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:their gov enables it - 06Why China is Dominating the Solar Industry - 64 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:44:49] <exec> 08└─Very insightful! And almost every country pays for propaganda...
[08:45:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:''China [...] decentralized steel production'' - 06NOAA Whistleblower: Climate Data Was Manipulated, the Computers Used "Suffered a Complete Failure" - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:45:46] <exec> 08└─How many examples do you jibronies need before you realize Communism and Totalitarianism is one and fucking same!
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[09:42:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:this should be a fun read in the morning - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 211 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:42:49] <exec> 08└─I always transport several tons of machinery wherever I go. The truck, tools, guns, trailer, boat, RV, 4x4, quad bikes, 200 gallons of gasoline, generator, concrete mixer. Without all that you're just not manly.
[09:42:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Cost vs value - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 49 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:42:56] <exec> 08└─...how would the monopolies maintain their power?
[09:43:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Invalid Patent - 06Patent Troll Sues Netflix Over Offline Downloads - 1026 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:43:23] <exec> 08└─Agreed. Its almost like watching a movie where the wronged one ends up annihilating the bully. I have several patents to my name but assigned to a corporation; they did this to protect their own right to use my work. I know several other people are technically "in violation" of the patent, but neit...
[09:43:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score:2) 02Re:Problem - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 239 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:43:59] <exec> 08└─We've always been at war with East Asia. Any claim that we ever had been at war with Eurasia is fake news and therefore must be suppressed. Yes, fake news is a problem. But in this case, government control is a cure worse that the disease.
[09:44:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Re:Stages of grief - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 985 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:44:27] <exec> 08└─Clearly a good reason why the alternate vote system should be used in presidential elections, it would give people a chance to vote for someone other than Kang/Kodos without worrying that Kang might get in. It's a shame Bernie wasn't put forward as candidate for the dems, he was by far the best choi...
[09:44:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] (Score:2) 02Re:their gov enables it - 06Why China is Dominating the Solar Industry - 1551 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:44:54] <exec> 08└─The US is in relative decline. Still advancing, but not so willingly these days. But don't let the stupidity of certain noisy elements blind you to the facts. The government can exert a lot of influence, or not, but they aren't the nation. In a lot of ways, POTUS is just not that important. He's not...
[09:45:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score:2) 02Re:Clean energy not the future in the US - 06Why China is Dominating the Solar Industry - 218 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:45:10] <exec> 08└─Alternative explanation: [...] the Bretton Woods system gave the US currency - which was linked to gold - the dominant position in the world economy and allowed the US to run a trade deficit without having to devalue.
[09:45:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I designed the world's largest polysilicon plan - 06Why China is Dominating the Solar Industry - 20 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:45:17] <exec> 08└─And you designed it?
[09:48:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score:2) 02Re:Possible way to save bandwidth - 06FCC Working on 4K TV Broadcasting Over the Air - 371 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:48:07] <exec> 08└─I'd assume so. If they're not exploiting that peculiarity of our visual systems, they're missing an important trick, as that website I linked to demonstrates. Not sure how that could be mapped to a YUV-style colour space though, but I'd be very surprised if they're not doing anything to bias things,...
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[10:42:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Linux fragmentation - 06Ubuntu Linux Boss Mark Shuttleworth: Carrots for Unity 8? - 1575 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[10:42:19] <exec> 08└─We have several desktop environments, but that wasn't a too big deal because generally it is no problem to run Gnome programs, KDE programs and pure X11 programs side by side. But now we get serious fragmentation: Wayland programs will only run on Wayland, not on X11 or Mir. Mir programs will only r...
[10:42:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score:2) 02Re:Linux fragmentation - 06Ubuntu Linux Boss Mark Shuttleworth: Carrots for Unity 8? - 427 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:42:21] <exec> 08└─The push will be towards incompatibility, though. You cannot make money out of a product if it does not offer anything more than a freely available alternative. This is not the unix wars reloaded because now there are many more options (VM, containers), but it is a serious prob. A graphic subsystem...
[10:42:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Linux fragmentation - 06Ubuntu Linux Boss Mark Shuttleworth: Carrots for Unity 8? - 23 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:42:23] <exec> 08└─Define secure keyboard.
[10:42:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03boltronics [580] (Score:2) 02Re:The browser is the new JRE - 06Chrome 56 Quietly Added Bluetooth Snitch API - 1506 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:42:49] <exec> 08└─Funny you should mention that. I recently (as in, the last week) switched all my computers over to Pale Moon because Firefox was too laggy. Last week at work, I clicked the Firefox launcher icon (Firefox ESR under Debian Jessie on an i7-930 with 24Gb of RAM), waited about 5 seconds, got tired of wai...
[10:43:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:this should be a fun read in the morning - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:43:09] <exec> 08└─Yup, I do a prenup every time, never regretted it!
[10:43:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Zoning Reform - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:43:22] <exec> 08└─*nod* Yes, Tokyo is renowned for its affordable housing.
[10:45:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:their gov enables it - 06Why China is Dominating the Solar Industry - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:45:21] <exec> 08└─So you just mean they are better capitalists then?
[10:45:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Currency is a weapon - 06Why China is Dominating the Solar Industry - 199 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:45:38] <exec> 08└─You and all the non-economists like you, always like to blather on about currencies. But you are totally clueless as to how they work. Read something current and not based in the 1900's for a change.
[10:48:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I'd rather have a Free Market - 06FCC Working on 4K TV Broadcasting Over the Air - 580 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:48:42] <exec> 08└─However there's one point one can make: Sure, we need an organization that manages it, and that is controlled by the people. But is there a reason why the organization that manages the cables must be the same organization that manages the roads? Instead of a single, monolithic government, we could h...
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[13:37:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score:2) 02Tangential topic - 06Photons Brake the Sun - 203 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:37:01] <exec> 08└─Something I found mind-bending when I grasped it: according to general relativity, when a photon is emitted at the speed of light - from its frame of reference, it immediately arrives at its destination.
[13:37:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Tangential topic - 06Photons Brake the Sun - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:37:02] <exec> 08└─Topic is radial. Comment is tangential.
[13:37:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Subsentient [1111] (Score:3, Disagree) 02Just do debian. - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 153 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:37:11] <exec> 08└─If you want a system without systemd, just install debian and apt-get remove systemd. You can install sysvinit straight from the repos and it works fine.
[13:37:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score:2) 02Re:Just do debian. - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 67 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:37:13] <exec> 08└─For good measure, one can put Package: systemd Pin-Priority: -1000
[13:37:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Just do debian. - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 485 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:37:16] <exec> 08└─Doesn't work nearly as well as you'd think. Debian has a hard system of binding for dependencies, and anything that wants an SD socket will pull it in without an explicate pin to block it. I honestly won't be surprised if we've got a bunch of packages that only install unit files now and don't bothe...
[13:37:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03canopic jug [3949] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Just do debian. - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 974 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:37:18] <exec> 08└─You can't uninstall systemd from Debian since many years ago. Server-side, Devuan GNU/Linux is quite good. It really is a drop-in replacement. But if you don't trust it yet and really want plain Debian, then there is Debian GNU/kFreeBSD. Only the kernel and a few kernel related user-land tools are...
[13:37:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02Re:Just do debian. - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 569 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:37:20] <exec> 08└─My problem with Debian/kFreeBSD is they changed out the entire userland to GNU+glibc. This causes a hilarious amount of breakage for anything that hasn't been patched to recognize that (uname == FreeBSD) != (libc == FreeBSD). We have to compile a lot of CPAN modules for rehash, and I can see that ju...
[13:37:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03canopic jug [3949] (Score:2) 02Re:Just do debian. - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 158 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:37:22] <exec> 08└─It also failed to meet release qualifications for jessie, and as such was only released to the side, not as an official Debian release (similar to etch-m68k).
[13:37:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02Re:Just do debian. - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 593 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:37:24] <exec> 08└─The original notes for Slashcode had a fairly large caveat section on running on BSD due to some of the underlying Perl modules taking a shit. They did note it ran perfectly fine on Solaris. As far as I know, we cleaned out most of that breakage when we migrated the entire stack forward into 2015. F...
[13:37:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03schad [2398] (Score:2) 02Re:Just do debian. - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 1152 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:37:27] <exec> 08└─If I were the only one affected by the decision, I'd switch to FreeBSD. I love Solaris, but it's over and done with. FreeBSD is the next best thing. If others were affected too, I'd seriously consider whether my philosophical objection to systemd is actually worth the practical efforts of avoiding i...
[13:37:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03canopic jug [3949] (Score:2) 02Not niche - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 379 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:37:29] <exec> 08└─FreeBSD hasn't been niche for ages. It runs Netflix, is on the PS4, used to run HotMail during its growth phase, ran the now defunct Yahoo, runs WhatsApp, is one of the systems used by Verisign, used in Juniper, and Experts-Exchange (mind the dash). It's just a bit weird to set up and needs reading...
[13:37:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02Re:Just do debian. - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 132 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:37:31] <exec> 08└─If it was just me, we'd upgraded probably have upgraded already. Our CentOS 6 box has driven me mad since GoLive but its still here.
[13:37:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lester [6231] (Score:1, Disagree) 02Systemd is here to stay - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 226 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:37:33] <exec> 08└─For good or bad, systemd is in debian (and linux) to stay. In the middle and long term, software sticking on non-systemd will eventually become unmantained, no matter what Devuan or others do. By the way, I don't like systemd.
[13:37:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Just do debian. - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 74 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:37:35] <exec> 08└─They are currently using upstart, so I doubt they want to go back to sysv.
[13:37:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Flamebait) 02Windows Server 2016 - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:37:38] <exec> 08└─I mean, obviously. Am I right?
[13:37:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score:2) 02Slack or OpenBSD - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:37:40] <exec> 08└─Any particular reasons for not going with Slackware (if sticking with Linux) or OpenBSD (if jumping to *BSD)?
[13:37:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02Re:Slack or OpenBSD - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 776 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:37:42] <exec> 08└─My problem with Slack is that it's package management system isn't so much braindead as stuck in 1990. Since it doesn't do any advanced tracking of files or config things, it can (and has) clobbered configuration files on system wide upgrades and such. The situation MIGHT have gotten better since th...
[13:37:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:2) 02Re:Slack or OpenBSD - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 302 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:37:44] <exec> 08└─I'm using Slack right now, and I'm fairly sure they've modified their installer scripts to not clobber config files. While I agree there's no explicit promise to never use systemd, they've also shown no signs of doing it, and being one of the most old-school-Unixy distros I'd be surprised if they di...
[13:37:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) 02Re:Slack or OpenBSD - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 61 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:37:46] <exec> 08└─Package management on slackware. It's a bloody pain to admin.
[13:37:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03MadTinfoilHatter [4635] (Score:2) 02Gentoo is a perfectly valid option - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 744 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:37:49] <exec> 08└─Personally I've been using Gentoo on the desktop for a long time, and it's been remarkably stable, as long as you don't use the ~${arch} packages. The biggest issues tend to arise when there is a major update of some key graphical components, e.g. KDE, or Xorg. This would of course not be a problem...
[13:37:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02Re:Gentoo is a perfectly valid option - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 553 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:37:51] <exec> 08└─My biggest problem with Gentoo is you occasionally need to emerge world when you have an ABI bump in portage at a low level; maybe once every few months. That can take hours or days to finish depending on number of ports installed. Multiply that by a bunch of machines and life gets painful since eac...
[13:37:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) 02Re:Gentoo is a perfectly valid option - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 264 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:37:53] <exec> 08└─Me, I'm currently digging on Calculate. Essentially Gentoo with a well stocked binary overlay. Allows me to tweak the packages I want tweaked for speed with USE/make/env flags and get binaries of the ones I fail to give a shit about. Plus setup is way, way easier.
[13:37:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02Re:Gentoo is a perfectly valid option - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 368 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:37:55] <exec> 08└─If we do jump onto the Gentoo ship, we're probably going to setup a build master on neon since the only thing that box is doing is running a backup DB node. That way, we can emerge world once, then get all those binaries published with our USE flags for everything else downstream to grab it. Alterna...
[13:37:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03GreatAuntAnesthesia [3275] (Score:3, Funny) 02AmigaOS 1.3, obviously - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:37:57] <exec> 08└─Beautiful operating system... Failing that, I think I have an old C64 somewhere you could use.
[13:37:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:AmigaOS 1.3, obviously - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 13 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:37:59] <exec> 08└─No BeOS love?
[13:38:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02Re:AmigaOS 1.3, obviously - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:38:01] <exec> 08└─Needs more multitasking and threading support.
[13:38:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03aim [6322] (Score:2, Informative) 02You've listed the obvious - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 1138 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:38:04] <exec> 08└─Disclaimer: I'm currently in the process of migrating my outside-facing server VM from an older Debian server to FreeBSD. There are quite some differences, i.e. getting acquainted to doing things a bit differently. I have to say though that the new server "feels" way more responsive (no, I have no n...
[13:38:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02Re:You've listed the obvious - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 333 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:38:06] <exec> 08└─I've used almost every major distro at some point or another with the exception of SuSE and Mandriva (I've used Mandrake when that was still a thing). That's mostly true for most of the staff. The learning curve isn't horrid if we jump ship to another distro. The Linux->BSD/Solaris one is higher bec...
[13:38:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03aim [6322] (Score:1) 02Re:You've listed the obvious - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 333 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:38:08] <exec> 08└─I've used almost every major distro at some point or another with the exception of SuSE and Mandriva (I've used Mandrake when that was still a thing). That's mostly true for most of the staff. The learning curve isn't horrid if we jump ship to another distro. The Linux->BSD/Solaris one is higher bec...
[13:38:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02Re:You've listed the obvious - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:38:10] <exec> 08└─illumos has the advantage of not buying Larry's next yacht; its mostly supported by Joyent.
[13:38:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score:2) 02Testbed? - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 430 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:38:12] <exec> 08└─Has anyone floated the idea of setting up a testbed system (parallel to the live) and testing a rolling release OS in there before taking updates live? More resources? Yes. More reliable? Yes. More work? At first. It pays off the first time you upgrade and something blows up in your face. Technicall...
[13:38:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02Re:Testbed? - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 303 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:38:14] <exec> 08└─Our plan would probably be to use our current development box or one of the disused nodes as an "emerge world" slave, and generate binary ebuilds. Once lithium is upgraded and works, we can deploy those ebuilds elsewhere as needed. I'm not the biggest fan of this setup, but its at least semi-viable...
[13:38:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Alpine Linux - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 1442 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:38:17] <exec> 08└─Like you, I've found Ubuntu 16.x sorely disappointing in terms of stability and work needed to get things going. Now I've plugged Alpine Linux on this site before, and as a regular user of it I'm happy to do so again here. It's small, gets out of your way, no systemd, prepatched with grsec, and if y...
[13:38:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02Re:Alpine Linux - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 179 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:38:19] <exec> 08└─We used to run a dedicated VM per task for that, but we ended up consolidating onto fewer nodes due to cost. Running htop on helium is an exercise in both hilitary and depression.
[13:38:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02FreeBSD for the win - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 872 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:38:21] <exec> 08└─Disclaimer: I used to be a FreeBSD admin. I have a project for which I will be bringing online soon. An application with a web interface for which potentially thousands of concurent users will use. I have administrated FreeBSD, Redhat, and Windows. I feel your pain. My primary computer is currently...
[13:38:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02How much of that cash goes to the costumers? - 06Vizio Settles With FTC, Will Pay $2.2 Million and Delete User Data - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:38:29] <exec> 08└─None that's how much. Not much justice in the justice system it seems.
[13:38:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Spamalope [5233] (Score:3, Insightful) 02What about all the other copies of the data? - 06Vizio Settles With FTC, Will Pay $2.2 Million and Delete User Data - 149 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:38:32] <exec> 08└─The copies sold by vizio to the data aggregators isn't subject to the order to vizio though, is it? (Shouldn't those folks be called cyber stalkers?)
[13:38:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Too late, cat's out of the bag. - 06Vizio Settles With FTC, Will Pay $2.2 Million and Delete User Data - 97 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:38:34] <exec> 08└─http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/trump-tv-ad-rates-morning-joe-oreilly-234647 [politico.com]
[13:38:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lester [6231] (Score:1) 02Re:Linux fragmentation - 06Ubuntu Linux Boss Mark Shuttleworth: Carrots for Unity 8? - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:38:47] <exec> 08└─Wayland programs will only run on Wayland, not on X11 or Mir
[13:38:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lester [6231] (Score:1) 02Re:No keyboard navigation support? - 06Ubuntu Linux Boss Mark Shuttleworth: Carrots for Unity 8? - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:38:50] <exec> 08└─Is there any GUI -Graphical User Interface- usable without mouse?
[13:38:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nerdfest [80] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Wayland/Mir - 06Ubuntu Linux Boss Mark Shuttleworth: Carrots for Unity 8? - 497 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:38:52] <exec> 08└─I always thought Mir was kind of a dick move., What problems does Mir solve that are not being solved by Wayland? Anything that couldn't be added or merged? Unless there was a serious "systemd level" architecture problem with Wayland contributing would seem to me to be the more responsible choice. A...
[13:39:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The browser is the new JRE - 06Chrome 56 Quietly Added Bluetooth Snitch API - 75 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:39:22] <exec> 08└─stop making Firefox suck so I could switch back to it as my primary browser
[13:39:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02Re:Cost vs value - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 197 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:39:47] <exec> 08└─The president lacks the authority to turn the country into a libertarian utopia. He will accomplish little more than deregulating enough to ensure monopolies are maintained, and the rich get richer
[13:39:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:2) 02Re:Some do, some don't - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 854 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:39:54] <exec> 08└─Did you calculate the payoff time for those capital expenditures based on a dollar a watt per year? I'm imagining one of those $20 air conditioner disconnect switches for that 5 watt clothes dryer and at $5/year of electricity it'll take more than 4 years to break even because where I live every wat...
[13:39:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score:3, Informative) 02Not unique to America - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 2110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:40:00] <exec> 08└─It's not a problem unique to America. The same thing is happening in Europe. People enter into employment later and later as they stay longer and longer in education, a few extended periods of unemployment. The booming job-markets are more or less limited to the larger cities. Cities where renting i...
[13:40:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03PiMuNu [3823] (Score:2) 02Re:Not unique to America - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 396 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:40:02] <exec> 08└─> People get "forced" to buy a flat or a house taking them even deeper into depth In the UK the rental market pretty much follows the mortgage market. If you take out a mortgage, you get a house at the end of it (after 30 years). But you get locked-in. The parity is driven by buy-to-let folks (buy a...
[13:40:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03DmT [6439] (Score:1) 02Ice and water - 06Ceres's Cryovolcanoes Viscously Relax Into Nothingness - 234 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:40:10] <exec> 08└─For any sufficiently advanced space faring race, it should really not be problematic to find some ice and water in space. Therefor a water crisis is not realistic and also attacking earth to steal water does not make any sense really.
[13:40:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nerdfest [80] (Score:2) 02Re:Invalid Patent - 06Patent Troll Sues Netflix Over Offline Downloads - 75 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:40:28] <exec> 08└─My thought was the patents to public domain. Make them useful for everyone.
[13:43:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:2) 02Re:The REAL problem - 06NOAA Whistleblower: Climate Data Was Manipulated, the Computers Used "Suffered a Complete Failure" - 753 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:43:06] <exec> 08└─The problem with gridless is it only scales well to suburban residential. No more industrial plants, no more skyscrapers, no more urban cities, no more office buildings. You could drop the grid from the burbs, which might help slightly with infrastructure costs, but you're still going to have the sa...
[13:43:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:2) 02Re:Lead-gas was government; clean env was private. - 06NOAA Whistleblower: Climate Data Was Manipulated, the Computers Used "Suffered a Complete Failure" - 115 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:43:23] <exec> 08└─However, you are assuming you need refined pure titanium or aluminum in order to make the paints. That is not true.
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[14:37:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Just do debian. - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 438 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:37:32] <exec> 08└─I am not surprised. I have the same problem with compiling software that uses assembler or specifies a CPU architecture ever since putting a 64-bit kernel on my 32-bit Slackware install. They check uname, notices a 64-bit CPU and tries to compile a 64-bit version, resulting in an error from the 32-b...
[14:37:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Pino P [4721] (Score:2) 02Who still uses the hyphen site? - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 199 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:37:36] <exec> 08└─I thought that because of the paywall, the user base abandoned Expert S-ex Change in favor of Stack Overflow and the rest of the Stack Exchange network, which runs Windows Server [stackexchange.com].
[14:37:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03canopic jug [3949] (Score:2) 02Re:Who still uses the hyphen site? - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 179 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:37:38] <exec> 08└─I've never even looked at it, but do recall the noise about the hyphen. I guess that was a while ago. However, they do have a testimonial up about FreeBSD [freebsdfoundation.org].
[14:37:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:2) 02Re:Just do debian. - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 365 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:37:41] <exec> 08└─None of us are happy about it, but using a niche OS like FreeBSD means that we're committing ourselves to 100% ownership of every aspect of these servers' lives for as long as we have them. That's something we very much don't want to do -- we've got this entire huge IT department with follow-the-sun...
[14:37:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Gentoo is a perfectly valid option - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 555 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:37:53] <exec> 08└─I've come to love Gentoo after jumping away from Debian. Ignore the naysayers telling you that you don't get any performance benefit from recompiling from source, because that's not the point. The USE flags really makes Gentoo stand out from traditional binary distros. You can use it to cut out all...
[14:38:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:2) 02Re:Testbed? - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 1752 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:38:03] <exec> 08└─That would work, but no need to keep it running 24x7 or even keep it around permanently. At work we have a massive private cloud whatever OK a big openstack and a big NAS and in a fit of insanity "they" gave me admin rights so I spin up a new clone and run experiments on it, and if the experiment wo...
[14:38:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03martyb [76] (Score:2) 02Separate VMs per Task - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 966 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:38:06] <exec> 08└─IIRC, we consolidated VMs back when we were running on Xen. When we converted to KVM we got double memory. I don't know how much CPU, I/O, storage pressure we currently have, but maybe it would be worthwhile to revisit that decision? Also, I've seen many reports of people just spinning up new VMs a...
[14:38:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:2) 02Re:Separate VMs per Task - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 57 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:38:08] <exec> 08└─I'm curious why we don't run more than one VM per server?
[14:38:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) 02Re:FreeBSD for the win - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 294 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:38:12] <exec> 08└─Try Calculate in a VM for a bit. It's a bianry overlay + Gentoo plus a few non-standard tweaks of their own that every distro seems to feel the need to put in. Fortunately that includes a very much easier install method and doesn't include systemd. I'm really digging the hell out of it so far.
[14:38:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03coolgopher [1157] (Score:2) 02Re:FreeBSD for the win - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 835 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:38:14] <exec> 08└─I used FreeBSD for a ~decade, before $work made it more convenient to move to Linux (Debian/Ubuntu). These days I'm on Devuan, but if it wasn't for work, I'd probably be back on FreeBSD. Having a nice, solid, small base OS instead of 90+ interdependent packages is nice, and the ports collection rock...
[14:38:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:2) 02Linode - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 4038 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:38:16] <exec> 08└─If you stay on linode there's a nice extremely long and hyper detailed document explaining the linode install process and everything is "as you'd expect" with two exceptions, shut off Lassie temporarily or she'll drive you crazy during the rebooting process (woof woof) and you have to convince freeb...
[14:38:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03shipofgold [4696] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Devuan = Chicken/Egg - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 285 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:38:18] <exec> 08└─I jumped from Fedora to Devuan on my home server/router and won't look back. The issue with Devuan is that there are plenty of people that would like to try it, but until it achieves critical mass many will be hesitant. As long as many are hesitant it will never achieve critical mass.
[14:38:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:2) 02multi-step - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:38:20] <exec> 08└─However, I've got concerns about the long-term suitability of the distribution
[14:38:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02FreeBSD - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 1219 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:38:22] <exec> 08└─I was a long time debian user. Used it exclusively in every company I worked, from 1997 up until about 2 years ago. I have my reasons for switching to FreeBSD and I have to say i have not looked back. I am sad for debian and I love the project. But some things which happend in the last couple of yea...
[14:38:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Damn Government heavy hand - 06Vizio Settles With FTC, Will Pay $2.2 Million and Delete User Data - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:38:33] <exec> 08└─I feel sorry for Vizio. Trump will fix this outrageous overreach.
[14:38:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02Re:No keyboard navigation support? - 06Ubuntu Linux Boss Mark Shuttleworth: Carrots for Unity 8? - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:38:51] <exec> 08└─XMonad; which I've used on netbooks works very well.
[14:38:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lester [6231] (Score:1) 02Re:Wayland/Mir - 06Ubuntu Linux Boss Mark Shuttleworth: Carrots for Unity 8? - 44 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:38:53] <exec> 08└─I always thought Mir was kind of a dick move
[14:38:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:2) 02Fundamentally flawed concept - 06Ubuntu Linux Boss Mark Shuttleworth: Carrots for Unity 8? - 86 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:38:55] <exec> 08└─offer the same screen and user experience on all devices regardless of mouse or touch.
[14:39:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:How is this snitching? - 06Chrome 56 Quietly Added Bluetooth Snitch API - 317 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:39:21] <exec> 08└─Anyone who has ever supported Windows users know that they click OK without ever reading the content, because OK has become the "dismiss" button in Windows. Btw, Someone posted a screenshot of the "explicitly granting access" dialog, and the "no thanks" button was as easy to find as in the Windows 1...
[14:39:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Pino P [4721] (Score:2) 02Re:The browser is the new JRE - 06Chrome 56 Quietly Added Bluetooth Snitch API - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:39:28] <exec> 08└─What bothers me is this idea that the web-browser *has* to do everything.
[14:39:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:this should be a fun read in the morning - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 6 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:39:42] <exec> 08└─Sweet.
[14:39:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Market power - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 185 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:39:58] <exec> 08└─You can maintain monopoly using established market power - no regulation needed. How did you think 20s robber barons come about? Regulation is not necessarily pro- nor anti-monopolies.
[14:39:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:Cost vs value - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 646 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:40:00] <exec> 08└─Uhhhh - wait a second. Which laws, exactly, got us into that mess? Glass-Steagall? Either you are joking, and doing a poor job of it, or you're 'bout dumb as a box of rocks. Glass-Steagall was passed IN RESPONSE TO the housing bubble crash. We crashed and burned because there was little regulation....
[14:40:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score:2) 02Re:Not unique to America - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 244 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:40:11] <exec> 08└─Yes. I know a few people that does that over in Sweden to. They buy flats and houses and then "rent" them out to cover the mortgage and loans, ie letting other people pay for it and after a couple of decades they'll have a free house (or flat).
[14:40:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Sulla [5173] (Score:2) 02Boomers - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 467 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:40:13] <exec> 08└─Nothing gets the blood boiling for the day like waking up and reading about how my standard of living is less than that of the boomers. It is not going to change either. I get to go to work so I can pay my student loans with the remainder going toward social security that wont be there for me. I fin...
[14:40:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Wonderful... - 06Denuvo Forgets to Secure Server, Leaks Years of Messages From Game Makers - 106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:40:54] <exec> 08└─I bet you wouldn't mind me releasing the nude pics of your teenage daughter for the Internet to gawk over.
[14:40:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03AssCork [6255] (Score:1) 02Re:Wonderful... - 06Denuvo Forgets to Secure Server, Leaks Years of Messages From Game Makers - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:40:58] <exec> 08└─Your post is spectacularly hilarious when read as Robin Williams.
[14:41:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:Problem - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 509 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:41:19] <exec> 08└─We already have libel and slander laws. Put them to use. No new laws needed. It's kinda like murder has ALWAYS been against the law, since even before gunpowder was invented. WTF would we need new laws, making it illegal to commit murder with a gun? Also kinda like, it's always been possible to keep...
[14:41:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Problem - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 143 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:41:22] <exec> 08└─there is already law against it i believe...just like "shouting fire" is not free speech if it is intented to do harm in a theater for example.
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[15:37:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:2) 02Money - 06Georgia Tests New Solar Road - 1078 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:37:14] <exec> 08└─The way to make money off a highway is to replace the weeds and mud or solar panels or WTF in the center with dual track electrified railway and conduit for fiber optic cable and WIFI nodes every 250 feet and cell towers. There's a lot of government regulation in the way to prevent some of that from...
[15:37:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03nitehawk214 [1304] (Score:1) 02Solar Frickin' Roadways? - 06Georgia Tests New Solar Road - 429 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:37:15] <exec> 08└─Here we go again... Oh wait, this project actually makes sense. Put the solar panels in the median where they can be properly angled, install drainage on the ground. Now, about this tire (or tyre, aparently) pressure [wheelright.co.uk]Number plate recognition Typical... Though I suppose at this poin...
[15:37:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02leading cause of crashes? - 06Georgia Tests New Solar Road - 559 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:37:17] <exec> 08└─"The new British device helps drivers quickly test and maintain proper tire pressure, a leading cause of crashes." WTF does that even come from? There's drunk driving, driving high, distracted driving, driving to fast for conditions, reckless driving, racing, and so much more. Crashing because of po...
[15:37:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Sulla [5173] (Score:2) 02Re:leading cause of crashes? - 06Georgia Tests New Solar Road - 102 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:37:19] <exec> 08└─Maybe they under report drunk driving like they do murder and rape. Tyre pressure seems a weird cause.
[15:37:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03EvilSS [1456] (Score:2) 02Re:leading cause of crashes? - 06Georgia Tests New Solar Road - 1351 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:37:22] <exec> 08└─Yea, it's a misquote of a NHTSA report: Critical reasons attributed to vehicles The information about critical reasons related to the vehicles is important in evaluating on-board systems that warn the driver about the condition of critical vehicle systems such as tires and brakes. Table 9(b) pres...
[15:37:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Tangential topic - 06Photons Brake the Sun - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:37:32] <exec> 08└─To carry away angular momentum, the photons need to have a tangential component of velocity.
[15:37:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Re:Tangential topic - 06Photons Brake the Sun - 513 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:37:34] <exec> 08└─Which means you didn't completely grasp it: There is no frame of reference for the photon. Indeed, in the limit(!) v→c, the spatial direction of movement and the direction of time coincide. Or said in another way, the photon "frame" lacks a dimension. Also note that due to Lorentz contraction, in...
[15:37:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Who still uses the hyphen site? - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 136 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:37:55] <exec> 08└─Well, without the hyphen they would be inaccessible from quite a few places with stupid filters. I guess they learned that the hard way.
[15:37:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheGratefulNet [659] (Score:2) 02Re:Not niche - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 346 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:37:57] <exec> 08└─I worked at juniper back in 2000 or so and their whole eng dep ran on freebsd (desktop, mail, etc). the router itself ran freebsd! at that time, other networking companies I was at were using netbsd (for power-pc or some other non-intel chip). now, linux is all the rage ,but linux is not as stable a...
[15:38:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheGratefulNet [659] (Score:2) 02Re:Just do debian. - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 189 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:38:01] <exec> 08└─freebsd is my vote, too. production headless server that runs ip stuff? freebsd. not linux. only issue: most admins know linux better than bsd. but that's not a big problem, its still unix.
[15:38:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Punishment - 06Vizio Settles With FTC, Will Pay $2.2 Million and Delete User Data - 377 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:38:44] <exec> 08└─This is no punishment, change it to: "all revenue (nor profit) acquired directly or indirectly (NOT minus costs to run the scam) from running this scam PLUS a fine of 20% of the revenue (nor profit) of the company generated during the time that this scam was run" When will we finally hit these fucke...
[15:39:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03AndyTheAbsurd [3958] (Score:2) 02Re:No keyboard navigation support? - 06Ubuntu Linux Boss Mark Shuttleworth: Carrots for Unity 8? - 245 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:39:03] <exec> 08└─Windows 95/98 was actually surprisingly usable without a mouse. (You couldn't play Minesweeper, except by enabling MouseKeys, but virtually everything else I tried had a mouse-free workaround.) I don't know if Microsoft has kept that up, though.
[15:39:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score:2) 02Re:Wayland/Mir - 06Ubuntu Linux Boss Mark Shuttleworth: Carrots for Unity 8? - 303 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:39:06] <exec> 08└─Yeah, but they thought similar things during the UNIX wars days of the 80s and early 90s, and look what happened: the fragmentation killed UNIX and everyone just switched to Windows which was a de facto standard. Ubuntu is just repeated the mistakes of UNIX here by fragmenting the Linux infrastructu...
[15:39:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheGratefulNet [659] (Score:2) 02IBM? you mean DEC! - 06Ubuntu Linux Boss Mark Shuttleworth: Carrots for Unity 8? - 417 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:39:10] <exec> 08└─DEC was a huge contributor to project athena and x11. IBM? I never heard of IBM being part of this. it was not their 'thing', at least at the time. also not sure about stanford. MIT, yes. not sure that stanford had much to do with this. it was an east-coast thing, iirc, and stanford is calif, of cou...
[15:39:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score:2) 02Re:The browser is the new JRE - 06Chrome 56 Quietly Added Bluetooth Snitch API - 54 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:39:43] <exec> 08└─Why the fuck did anyone think this is was a good idea?
[15:39:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score:2) 02Re:The browser is the new JRE - 06Chrome 56 Quietly Added Bluetooth Snitch API - 1914 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:39:45] <exec> 08└─I've been on the lookout for the next JRE since the late 1990's. For a long time, for me, it has been the JRE. What I want since the mid 1990's and was on a search for the Holy Grail: * Platform portability without having to rewrite * and the big one: portable GUI across platforms * Access to all ma...
[15:40:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Cost vs value - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 322 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:40:18] <exec> 08└─Amusing that you're blaming Trump for building codes - which are a local and county level issue - while also blaming him for banking bailouts that happened under Bush and Obama. I voted third party, but I must admit the Trump win is giving me oodles of entertainment value. It's the like the over-rea...
[15:40:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03bradley13 [3053] (Score:2) 02Re:Some do, some don't - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 2084 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:40:22] <exec> 08└─I know quite a few who managed to break the pattern. ... The difference I see is that the ones on the successful end tend to have solid long term planning capabilities, solid work ethics, and an ability to say: "No." No, they won't buy the newest shiny-shiny from BananaCorp. No, they won't buy a hou...
[15:40:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Some do, some don't - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:40:24] <exec> 08└─Dropping the fucking cable tv can save thousands a year. Some cell plans are wasteful as hell too.
[15:40:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Zoning Reform - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 153 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:40:29] <exec> 08└─It varies by state, but mostly, it's not the homeowners. It's the zoning committees who define what density of housing is acceptable in particular zones.
[15:40:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03anotherblackhat [4722] (Score:1) 02Until it isn't - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 585 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:40:37] <exec> 08└─Everybody complains about how high house prices are, until they start falling. Back in 1997 the U.S. housing market starting going up like crazy. 10 years later prices started to go down. In 2017 the house prices are still higher than their 1997 prices, even adjusting for inflation. As housing price...
[15:40:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02What to do, what to do? - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 1611 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:40:39] <exec> 08└─However will we Make America Great Again? Oh, wait. Home ownership is tied to greatness? Hmmm.... Well, maybe then the Greatest Generation and Boomers shoudn'ta oughta planned the following into our economy: * A highly fluid and mobile job market - why would I buy a home if I don't know that I'll b...
[15:40:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score:2) 02Millennials can live with parents until . . . - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 595 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:40:41] <exec> 08└─Millennials can live with parents until the current or some future administration forces the parents out of their own homes. Another banking or real estate crisis perhaps. A financial meltdown created by some current or future madman at the controls. Deregulate the banksters because they won't do an...
[15:40:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score:2) 02Re:Invalid Patent - 06Patent Troll Sues Netflix Over Offline Downloads - 701 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:40:58] <exec> 08└─My new patent's subject matter is about downloading files for offline viewing. Unlike the way it was done in the past, my new patent is about doing this . . . with a computer! Yes, you can download and view files offline on computers now! It's an amazing invention. I pray that the court will grant m...
[15:41:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Invalid Patent - 06Patent Troll Sues Netflix Over Offline Downloads - 106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:41:08] <exec> 08└─But then the sued companies have no incentive to fight it through, and in effect everything remains as is.
[15:44:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:That is not a big hack - 06A Hacker Just Pwned Over 150,000 Printers Left Exposed Online - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:44:52] <exec> 08└─We don't hide everything behind a NAT because of IPv4 address exhaustion.
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[16:37:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02It is very easy to understand - 06Former NSA Contractor May Have Stolen 75% of TAO's Elite Hacking Tools - 323 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:37:15] <exec> 08└─Circle of trust, right? See that whole thing about making sure users only have rights and accesses they need and not sharing logins and passwords.... that applies only to everyone else. To the authorities that are supposed to be security - they don't have to obey the same plebian rules, since they h...
[16:37:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Why backdoored encryption is a bad idea ... - 06Former NSA Contractor May Have Stolen 75% of TAO's Elite Hacking Tools - 358 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:37:16] <exec> 08└─This is a real life example of why backdoored encryption is VERY bad idea. Imagine they had mandated by law that everyone had to use backdoored encryption. The NSA would likely be one of the parties with the master key. Imagine this guy had sold that master key. Now anyone can use the government acc...
[16:37:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03dyingtolive [952] (Score:2) 02Re:Why backdoored encryption is a bad idea ... - 06Former NSA Contractor May Have Stolen 75% of TAO's Elite Hacking Tools - 186 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:37:19] <exec> 08└─The teenage-nihilist-in-his-thirties part of me that just wants to watch the world burn would be okay with that, actually. The slightly more mature part of me cringes at the idea though.
[16:37:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score:2) 02Article summary is factually incorrect - 06Former NSA Contractor May Have Stolen 75% of TAO's Elite Hacking Tools - 384 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:37:21] <exec> 08└─This guy never stole any hacking tools. I am 100% sure that the NSA still has all their hacking tools, and has not lost use of them whatsoever. If this guy did indeed make unauthorized copies as alleged, that's all he did: he made copies. The tools are still there. Unauthorized copying is not steali...
[16:37:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Solar Frickin' Roadways? - 06Georgia Tests New Solar Road - 712 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:37:32] <exec> 08└─In order to ensure everyone is being a good citizen, the government should not only track each vehicle, and who precisely are the occupants; vehicles can be observed for signs of impaired or aggressive driving. This can be used as justification for tracking everyone. Think how such invasive tracking...
[16:37:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03GreatAuntAnesthesia [3275] (Score:2) 02Re:leading cause of crashes? - 06Georgia Tests New Solar Road - 1120 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:37:36] <exec> 08└─Or maybe the US has more of a drink driving culture. It would make sense, given that most people there have to drive to get to their nearest bar, while most Brits can just walk five or ten minutes to their local. Quick bit of googling suggests that drink driving is a factor[1] in twice as many US ro...
[16:37:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:2) 02Re:leading cause of crashes? - 06Georgia Tests New Solar Road - 134 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:37:38] <exec> 08└─FWIW the legal limit in both countries seems to be the same (0.08) but I wouldn't be surprised if it varied state by state over there.
[16:37:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03slap [5764] (Score:1) 02Re:leading cause of crashes? - 06Georgia Tests New Solar Road - 212 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:37:40] <exec> 08└─Americans drive about twice as many miles per year as Europeans. The US is spread out more than most of Europe, and the public transportation isn't as good as in Europe. And alcohol is relatively cheap in the US.
[16:37:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:leading cause of crashes? - 06Georgia Tests New Solar Road - 255 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:37:43] <exec> 08└─Now, THAT makes sense. "Of vehicle caused crashes, half of all crashes were attributed to tires." That makes perfect sense. And, brakes second. Again, that makes perfect sense. Most other stuff that breaks on a car won't actually cause a crash very often.
[16:37:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Tangential topic - 06Photons Brake the Sun - 116 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:37:54] <exec> 08└─That makes an incredible amount of sense. I'd never quite understood contraction in the direction of motion. Thanks!
[16:38:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03animal [202] (Score:1) 02Re:Just do debian. - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 479 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:38:22] <exec> 08└─You can install Debian wheezy which is systemd free. Prior to upgrading to jessie, there are steps that can be taking to keep sysvinit and skip the whole systemd installation and removing using apt-pinning. https://www.debian.org
[16:38:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:2) 02Re:Just do debian. - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:38:25] <exec> 08└─We need a mod named "I wish" or similar.
[16:38:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02Re:Slack or OpenBSD - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 166 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:38:32] <exec> 08└─Oh, second follow-up. OpenBSD was ruled out because it lacks both a MAC framework like AppArmor/SELinux, or a jails like functionality that FreeBSD and illumos offer.
[16:38:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03tynin [2013] (Score:2) 02Re:Gentoo is a perfectly valid option - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 357 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:38:37] <exec> 08└─It becomes less of a hassle if you setup a PXE booted environment and then make a cloned base OS the latest Gentoo emerge. Then it is just a matter of pointing your PXE server to boot the new OS and reboot the servers into it. It'll mean maintaining a single OS image, and all of the servers are a re...
[16:38:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02Re:Gentoo is a perfectly valid option - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 369 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:38:39] <exec> 08└─Because almost all our machines run different configurations and software loads, we don't do ansible/puppet/StackScript deployments. The one exception are the frontend boxes. In the entirety SN has been up, we've only ever done a single nuke and pave, and that was when the original web-frontend (hyd...
[16:38:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02Re:Testbed? - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 153 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:38:52] <exec> 08└─Cobol on Wheelchair [github.com] - for all your dynamic COBOL needs. There's also a nodeJS-COBOL binding available. And ZFS snapshots are amazingsauce :)
[16:38:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02Re:Separate VMs per Task - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 342 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:38:58] <exec> 08└─I think we're grandfathered to when they gave one free IPv4 address per Linode as we don't get hit with an additional charge of them. We haven't spun up a new instance in a long time so I dunno if that changed. We still need v4 connectivity for talking to the outside world, but maybe we could give u...
[16:39:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Linux fragmentation - 06Ubuntu Linux Boss Mark Shuttleworth: Carrots for Unity 8? - 467 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:39:24] <exec> 08└─Wayland has an X11 compositor and compatibility both ways. I've run X11 programs on Weston running on a VESA framebuffer before, and I can also run Wayland programs in X11. Like most complaints about Wayland, this is yet again completely blown out of proportion. Save the hyperbole and FUD for someth...
[16:39:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Linux fragmentation - 06Ubuntu Linux Boss Mark Shuttleworth: Carrots for Unity 8? - 64 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:39:26] <exec> 08└─None of those run in the kernel, ergo not Linux fragmentation...
[16:39:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score:2) 02Re:No keyboard navigation support? - 06Ubuntu Linux Boss Mark Shuttleworth: Carrots for Unity 8? - 115 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:39:33] <exec> 08└─A properly-designed GUI will have access keys (Alt shortcuts for the menus), and Tab to move between form controls.
[16:39:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:No keyboard navigation support? - 06Ubuntu Linux Boss Mark Shuttleworth: Carrots for Unity 8? - 386 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:39:35] <exec> 08└─Windows before the Metro crap? Winkey/ctrl-esc, tab, alt etc will work for navigating through the GUI. You might be able to do it with the Metro UI too but with Metro a lot of stuff is no longer easily discoverable so I'd say it's unusable from that perspective ;). See also: http://www.bbc.co.uk
[16:39:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lester [6231] (Score:1) 02Re:Fundamentally flawed concept - 06Ubuntu Linux Boss Mark Shuttleworth: Carrots for Unity 8? - 540 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:39:41] <exec> 08└─Well "offer the same screen and user experience on all devices regardless of mouse or touch" is just marketing speak, the real sentence is: Offer the developers the same API to UI on all devices regardless of mouse or touch, so applications can be ported automatically to all devices, so the users ca...
[16:39:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:2) 02Re:Fundamentally flawed concept - 06Ubuntu Linux Boss Mark Shuttleworth: Carrots for Unity 8? - 963 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:39:43] <exec> 08└─My point is that the interactions are so substantially different that doing that in a consistent way is darn near impossible. Take, for instance, a really simple question: Where should the user interact with to start up an application? For tablets and phones, you're talking about big icons on the sc...
[16:40:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score:2) 02Re:Cost vs value - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 1952 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:40:55] <exec> 08└─While I'm more than happy to blame a lot of stuff on the "upper 1% of the upper 1%," I'm not really sure I understand your argument here. Housing prices have gone up because... RICH PEOPLE? Yes, there are undoubtedly some housing markets where clearly the prices are actively manipulated or oversold...
[16:40:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:Cost vs value - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 633 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:40:57] <exec> 08└─I drive an hour each way to work, and listen to the radio. (Old fashioned FM radio.) I'm hit at least a couple times each day with adverts for a seminar on flipping houses, specifically in Shreveport. "Invest with other people's money!" Sorry, I don't believe the housing market is anywhere near heal...
[16:41:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] (Score:2) 02Re:Some do, some don't - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 1315 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:41:02] <exec> 08└─The dryer is gas, not electric. It plugs into a regular 120V outlet only to run the controls, and I have plenty of cheap power strips with switches. Was shoddy design on Maytag's part, having the control panel take 5W even when supposedly "off". Thought Maytag was better than that. What tipped me of...
[16:41:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score:2) 02Re:Some do, some don't - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 4070 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:41:04] <exec> 08└─As much as it pains me to say this, I have to agree with VLM here. The cost of many "energy saving" upgrades frequently demands an excessively long payoff time. Not saying you didn't do those calculations, but the inefficiency in American homes isn't generally fixed because it just costs so darn muc...
[16:41:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score:2) 02Re:Invalid Patent - 06Patent Troll Sues Netflix Over Offline Downloads - 154 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:41:37] <exec> 08└─Evidently there's some sort of disconnect between the Supreme Court and the patent clerks who like to merrily stamp anything that comes across their desk.
[16:43:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Stages of grief - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 248 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:43:07] <exec> 08└─Ahh TMB never loose that petty trollishiness. You realize the rest of the staff keep you around only because they dont want to appear too liberal. Thats right you are the token righty on staff. Thats like working for NBC. How do you sleep at night?
[16:43:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score:2) 02Re:Stages of grief - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 48 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:43:13] <exec> 08└─Majority of voters != majority of the population
[16:47:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:IP-based - 06FCC Working on 4K TV Broadcasting Over the Air - 202 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:47:03] <exec> 08└─But on-demand delivery of files is far less efficient than a continuous data stream. It means duplication of data for every single user, as opposed to a single data stream being broadcast to everywhere.
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[17:37:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03GreatAuntAnesthesia [3275] (Score:4, Funny) 02Ridiculous - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 349 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:37:07] <exec> 08└─I find the whole concept absurd. I mean for this supposed AI to do any damage, it would obviously have to be put in charge of something important. And what sane person, or group of persons, is ever going to place a demonstrably inept, inexperienced, unqualified moron with no sense of empathy in a po...
[17:37:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Geezer [511] (Score:2) 02Re:Ridiculous - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 234 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:37:08] <exec> 08└─"And what sane person, or group of persons, is ever going to place a demonstrably inept, inexperienced, unqualified moron with no sense of empathy in a position of world-breaking power?" We do it all the time. It's called "democracy".
[17:37:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Uncle_Al [1108] (Score:2) 02inept, inexperienced, unqualified moron - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:37:11] <exec> 08└─Ronald Reagan and SDI We've been here before.
[17:37:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Redefine "AI" - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 292 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:37:13] <exec> 08└─The problem is "AI" isn't real. Machine intelligence simply boils down to a user programming not matter to what nth degree of complication is applied. The "AI" we all strive for is not possible and rebranding a computer program as "artificially intelligent" is unintelligent in and of itself.
[17:37:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Article summary is factually incorrect - 06Former NSA Contractor May Have Stolen 75% of TAO's Elite Hacking Tools - 234 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:37:23] <exec> 08└─You're playing football on a baseball field. The problem isn't about piracy. The problem is what the recipient can do with that copy. The right people will be able to reverse engineer how the tools work to circumvent security systems.
[17:37:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Article summary is factually incorrect - 06Former NSA Contractor May Have Stolen 75% of TAO's Elite Hacking Tools - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:37:25] <exec> 08└─reverse engineer what? the tools are INTENDED to circumvent security systems. do you need to "reverse engineer" winamp to listen to an mp3?
[17:37:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:leading cause of crashes? - 06Georgia Tests New Solar Road - 1164 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:37:41] <exec> 08└─We just had an election, which you know a lot about already. I voted, along with the majority, to allow the sale of alcohol in our county. Believe it or not, there are still "dry counties" in this country, where the sale of alcohol is prohibited, and possession of more than a single case is consider...
[17:37:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03GreatAuntAnesthesia [3275] (Score:2) 02Re:leading cause of crashes? - 06Georgia Tests New Solar Road - 501 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:37:42] <exec> 08└─I'm guessing the "dry county" legislation would also prohibit someone across the border from setting up a delivery service..? I can imagine some enterprising individual across the border setting up a website to offer home delivery of some completely legal, harmless and uncontrolled commodity (say, t...
[17:37:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03requerdanos [5997] (Score:2) 02About that "riding on sunshine" story - 06Georgia Tests New Solar Road - 157 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:37:46] <exec> 08└─In 2015, a new electric charging station powered in part by photovoltaic panels, a joint project with funding from Kia Motors, became the first in the state.
[17:37:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Is this setting solar for a fall? - 06Georgia Tests New Solar Road - 416 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:37:49] <exec> 08└─"That weird Aussie guy" (Dave), on EEVblog, already debunked idea of solar roads (driving over solar panels) in general. That makes me wonder why are some politicians in various parts of the world insisting on throwing money down the drain? Is it part of ongoing anti-green campaign, to put a large e...
[17:38:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Just do debian. - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 69 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:38:13] <exec> 08└─I've no problem removing systemd from the herd of NAS boxes I manage.
[17:38:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Gentoo is a perfectly valid option - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 138 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:38:45] <exec> 08└─What the hell does gobject introspection *do*, anyway? Does turning the USE flag off disable some piece of gnome/systemd "new stack" suck?
[17:40:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) 02Re:this should be a fun read in the morning - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 297 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:40:30] <exec> 08└─Nah, I changed up the db entries for the new ones so we could store more data in the tables and not have to calculate it on the fly. Unfortunately we'd have to be down for quite a while to build that information up for all the old stories. The new ones just add it every time a comment is created.
[17:40:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:Cost vs value - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 344 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:40:51] <exec> 08└─Maybe read my post again. I'm not blaming Trump for the banking bailout. I'm blaming him for not learning anything. Bush deregulated the banking industry, bankers went apeshit over stupid stuff, they went broke. Obama wants to do all the same kind of deregulation as Bush did? Mmmmm - the next crash...
[17:40:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score:2) 02Re:Cost vs value - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 2198 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:40:55] <exec> 08└─Is there a market for flipping houses? Obviously! That's one of the results of the supply-and-demand issue I brought up. But the people who are listening to those advertisements and taking a seminar on flipping houses are NOT the "upper 1% of the upper 1%" which is who you were targeting. Heck, I ha...
[17:41:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:2) 02Re:Some do, some don't - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 61 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:41:01] <exec> 08└─It plugs into a regular 120V outlet only to run the controls,
[17:41:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Until it isn't - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 107 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:41:15] <exec> 08└─Won't work because all the politicians and corporate lobbyists are big multiple home owners and landowners.
[17:43:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) 02Re:Stages of grief - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 26 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:43:06] <exec> 08└─How do you sleep at night?
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[18:37:04] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03GreatAuntAnesthesia [3275] 02Ridiculous - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 349 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:37:04] <exec> 08└─I find the whole concept absurd. I mean for this supposed AI to do any damage, it would obviously have to be put in charge of something important. And what sane person, or group of persons, is ever going to place a demonstrably inept, inexperienced, unqualified moron with no sense of empathy in a po...
[18:37:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Ridiculous - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 230 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:37:06] <exec> 08└─At least with AI, we will know its actions are based on incompetence rather than malice. I would say such an experiment is worth a shot. After all, the results can hardly be any worse than what the current administration is doing.
[18:37:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Ridiculous - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 88 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:37:08] <exec> 08└─You accept an AI cannot be malicious. On what evidence or theory do you base that axiom?
[18:37:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score:2) 02Re:Ridiculous - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:37:11] <exec> 08└─Your profound ability to restate the joke but without the original's subtlety and wit is quite impressive. Maybe you could do it for my snide condescension next.
[18:37:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03AssCork [6255] (Score:1) 02Re:Ridiculous - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 202 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:37:14] <exec> 08└─And what sane person, or group of persons, is ever going to place a demonstrably inept, inexperienced, unqualified moron with no sense of empathy in a position of world-breaking power? It's inthunkable.
[18:37:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02Re:Ridiculous - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 44 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:37:16] <exec> 08└─Yes, that would be completely unpresidented.
[18:37:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimtheowl [5929] (Score:2) 02The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 37 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:37:19] <exec> 08└─Doesn't that equally apply to humans?
[18:37:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:37:21] <exec> 08└─Incompetent bumbling humans will lose jobs to incompetent bumbling AI.
[18:37:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Al Bundy, with or without Peg... - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:37:23] <exec> 08└─When did Al Bundy move from selling shoes to being a professor?
[18:37:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Al Bundy, with or without Peg... - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:37:26] <exec> 08└─When did Al Bundy move from selling shoes to being a professor?
[18:37:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03AssCork [6255] (Score:1) 02People don't hate Computers... - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:37:28] <exec> 08└─People don't hate computers, they just hate bad software
[18:37:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03sgleysti [56] (Score:2) 02Re:Why backdoored encryption is a bad idea ... - 06Former NSA Contractor May Have Stolen 75% of TAO's Elite Hacking Tools - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:37:39] <exec> 08└─This sounds like the plot for a science fiction novel. Does anyone know if such a novel has been written? I would gladly buy a (used) copy.
[18:37:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Why backdoored encryption is a bad idea ... - 06Former NSA Contractor May Have Stolen 75% of TAO's Elite Hacking Tools - 360 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:37:41] <exec> 08└─That is why physical access to the backdoor is requiered. (Device in hand) Backdoooring thru the internet is bad ... unless the "internet" is proprietary network extending into your bedroom, toilet ... like maybe those dead-end networks with a gazillion users (your big enduser serving isps) ... then...
[18:37:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Funny) 02Re:Article summary is factually incorrect - 06Former NSA Contractor May Have Stolen 75% of TAO's Elite Hacking Tools - 303 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:37:46] <exec> 08└─You might, if you don't want it to quietly phone home and let AOL know you're listening to an mp3. If your copy of winamp came from the NSA, and you're listening to 'DJ Ayatollah - Death to the Great Satan America.mp3' on endless repeat, you might want to be very, very careful about it phoning ho...
[18:37:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Article summary is factually incorrect - 06Former NSA Contractor May Have Stolen 75% of TAO's Elite Hacking Tools - 790 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:37:48] <exec> 08└─Well, it is a stolen copy- how about that. You use copy as a noun, but the contractor copied as a verb: he 'duplicated' things. NSA contractors are not to take things out of the office. So any exact copy now residing anywhere the original is not- is theft. Theft of a copy at least. How about Identit...
[18:37:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Touché) 02Aah, pedantry - 06Former NSA Contractor May Have Stolen 75% of TAO's Elite Hacking Tools - 865 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:37:50] <exec> 08└─I'm often stuck looking for an everyday example of someone being pedantic. Usually I have to refer to people who insisted that 2001 was the start of the millennium. Now I can also use this narrow-minded view of the word steal. But, keep in mind that, historically, when absolutely everyone uses a wor...
[18:38:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:leading cause of crashes? - 06Georgia Tests New Solar Road - 1848 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:38:04] <exec> 08└─Thats not necessarily true. The last place I lived I did not walk. Nothing was convenient, and even when someone tried to open a new store or bar the neighbors would complain and the permit would get denied. The public transport was a joke. I checked one time into taking the bus to work to save on d...
[18:38:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Sulla [5173] (Score:2) 02Re:leading cause of crashes? - 06Georgia Tests New Solar Road - 704 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:38:09] <exec> 08└─I am unfamiliar with where Runway lives but I know how this works in Alaska. In Alaska a lot of the bush is dry. This means no alcohol, at all. Taking alcohol across a municipal/tribal boundry from wet to dry is a major crime. Jail time, thousands in fines, etc. Such a service would work but would n...
[18:38:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:leading cause of crashes? - 06Georgia Tests New Solar Road - 740 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:38:11] <exec> 08└─Most certainly - that falls under "bootlegging". Crossing the county line with a truckload of alcoholic beverages would probably land you in state prison for a very long time. No matter how many tomatoes, how many pounds of butter, or tins of shoe polish might accompany the alcohol, the cops would o...
[18:38:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:2) 02Re:Tangential topic - 06Photons Brake the Sun - 201 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:38:27] <exec> 08└─Although all the numbers up to the speed of light certainly point in that direction, apparently it's not de rigueur to say such a thing these days. Instead, photons just don't have frames of reference.
[18:38:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02shine a light - 06Photons Brake the Sun - 236 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:38:28] <exec> 08└─Just wondering how much we could see if we turned off the sun. So basically how do you look into a light bulb if there's no other source? We assume that the brightest spot is the point of light creation? So how do you look INTO the sun?
[18:38:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Just do debian. - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 154 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:38:43] <exec> 08└─Works fine for me, and has for a while. You're just assuming things won't work, which might be true for future releases of Debian but is not for this one.
[18:39:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03pe1rxq [844] (Score:2) 02Re:Slack or OpenBSD - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 473 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:39:07] <exec> 08└─That may depend on your expectations and personal preferences. Everytime I used a different distro I was reminded how slackware just did what I expected (not much) and did it well. - Header files are just part of the package, none of this crazy 'dev' stuff - Upgrade to a new library without breaking...
[18:39:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03bd [2773] (Score:2) 02Re:AmigaOS 1.3, obviously - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:39:21] <exec> 08└─What about Multics, then?
[18:39:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03archfeld [4650] (Score:2) 02Re:Punishment - 06Vizio Settles With FTC, Will Pay $2.2 Million and Delete User Data - 227 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:39:42] <exec> 08└─You forgot to include criminal charges against the individuals responsible for the policy that violated the law, and being subject to civil court penalties for those who could demonstrate a financial lose due to the violations.
[18:40:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lester [6231] (Score:1) 02Re:Fundamentally flawed concept - 06Ubuntu Linux Boss Mark Shuttleworth: Carrots for Unity 8? - 266 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:40:12] <exec> 08└─Yes, they are completely different, so it's going to be hard to unify UIs and, as I said, that's the Holy Grail of development, because perphaps it's not only hard but impossible. My point is that the hype is more aimed to convince developers than to convince users.
[18:40:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Little west of the zone. - 06West Europe Pressure Anomaly Could Lead to Enhanced Forecasting of Extreme Wave Conditions - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:40:28] <exec> 08└─I got the bolts, you bring the anomaly.
[18:41:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:this should be a fun read in the morning - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:41:13] <exec> 08└─Only manly if you are carrying all that around in a duffel bag!
[18:41:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Cost vs value - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 27 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:41:24] <exec> 08└─Monopolies love regulation.
[18:41:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:Cost vs value - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 585 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:41:33] <exec> 08└─Didn't the Court Fool, Trump, get involved in that nonsense? Some kind of idiot's academy for Make Big Money In Real Estate™. And, that turned into some kind of scandal, blah blah etc. I'm not absolutely certain that Trump is the upper 1% of the upper 1%, but he's gotta be damned close to it. I su...
[18:41:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Some do, some don't - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 794 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:41:43] <exec> 08└─>...and an ability to say: "No." No, they won't buy the newest shiny-shiny... THIS one thousand times this. Not to blame advertising in particular, but we in the West are bombarded with examples of how we will 'Be Better People' after buying X. We will be healthier, more alert, more beautiful, safer...
[18:42:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Invalid Patent - 06Patent Troll Sues Netflix Over Offline Downloads - 328 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:42:25] <exec> 08└─My thought is that when a patent is infringed upon, and there is a settlement; the settlement is paid after 5 years and only when the patent holder has produced a profitable product using the patent. If the patent holder can't show that the infringement is harming their product sales, then they aren...
[18:43:22] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Anonymous Coward 02Zeroheadge == Zero insight - 06Bad Idea or the Worst Idea? Having the FTC Regulate "Fake News" - 380 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:43:22] <exec> 08└─For some reason, CNN/ORC simply can't seem to conduct a poll where the distribution of respondents mirrors the actual distribution of registered voters in the U.S. As you can see below, in the latest "oversample" farce, CNN decided that filling it's poll with Democrats was becoming way too obvious a...
[18:44:12] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Zz9zZ [1348] 02It is called "planning" - 06Why China is Dominating the Solar Industry - 1009 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:44:13] <exec> 08└─Sure there were market forces that lined up to make their dominance easier, but if the US wasn't filled with corrupt greedy bastards we would have had a stronger solar industry that China couldn't so easily disrupt. As it stands, they could see the trend rising for renewable and more environmentally...
[18:47:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:2) 02Re:Possible way to save bandwidth - 06FCC Working on 4K TV Broadcasting Over the Air - 216 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:47:28] <exec> 08└─Well, actually I think it is biased in the sense that when converting from RGB to YUV, B contributes the least to the calculation of Y. So the onus for showing blue is shifted to the lower resolution chroma channels.
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[21:00:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Sulla [5173] (Score:2) 02anonymous - 06Hack Knocks Out a Fifth of the Dark Web - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:00:50] <exec> 08└─The users should have gotten themselves dogs, that would have kept them save.
[21:00:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03edIII [791] (Score:2) 02Good Work - 06Hack Knocks Out a Fifth of the Dark Web - 120 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:00:52] <exec> 08└─... now go to the IRS systems and extract Donald Trump's taxes from it and post it for the world to see. Good follow up.
[21:00:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Wrong conclusion. - 06Hack Knocks Out a Fifth of the Dark Web - 1052 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:00:54] <exec> 08└─"From early indications, the perpetrator is handling the data relatively responsibly. It's going to a security researcher who'll hand it over to law enforcement, which might just use it to bust the porn peddlers." Wrong. Law enforcement won't be able to bust anybody, because the chain of evidence is...
[21:01:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02SCOTUS, here we come ... - 06Google Told to Hand Over Foreign Emails in FBI Search Warrant Ruling - 249 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:01:02] <exec> 08└─What will be the position of El Twitteraro Supremo? Pick one or more: - "Activist Judge" overreach - Scumbag CA lefties Google should obey the Good Guys FBI - Bad Fraudster should get caught - Don't go investigate my^W investments abroad
[21:01:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02What the Mitnick?! - 06Google Told to Hand Over Foreign Emails in FBI Search Warrant Ruling - 279 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:01:05] <exec> 08└─According to Reuters, the judge ruled there is no "meaningful interference" with the account holder's "possessory interest", going on to assert that any privacy infringement occurs "at the time of disclosure in the United States", rather than when the data itself is transferred.
[21:01:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score:2) 02The court is playing word games - 06Google Told to Hand Over Foreign Emails in FBI Search Warrant Ruling - 749 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:01:07] <exec> 08└─Word games is something courts chastise lawyers over. The court says the FBI is not seizing the data from a foreign server. The court merely breaks it into 2 steps instead of one step. 1. Court orders Google to get the data from the foreign server and bring it to the US. 2. Then the FBI can seize th...
[21:01:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Ridiculous - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:01:20] <exec> 08└─Because we currently don't have actual AI.
[21:01:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Ridiculous - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 54 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:01:22] <exec> 08└─Democracy: because none of us is as dumb as all of us!
[21:01:25] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] 02Re:Ridiculous - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 44 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:01:26] <exec> 08└─Yes, that would be completely unpresidented.
[21:01:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:Ridiculous - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:01:28] <exec> 08└─completely unpresidented.
[21:01:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Ridiculous - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 157 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:01:31] <exec> 08└─Before somebody mistakes this for a dig at President Trump, note that parent said: "what SANE persons". No way it can refer to the American electors, can it.
[21:01:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Touché) 02Re:Ridiculous - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 53 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:01:33] <exec> 08└─No, I think it was referring to the Russian electors.
[21:01:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03edIII [791] (Score:2) 02Re:Ridiculous - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 188 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:01:35] <exec> 08└─I don't know if it is coincidence or not in a conversation about AI ruining the world, but reading your comment had this quote at the bottom of the page: There is a 20% chance of tomorrow.
[21:01:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Weasley [6421] (Score:1) 02Re:Redefine "AI" - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 640 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:01:38] <exec> 08└─It is not *yet* possible, but it is not impossible. Stating that it is impossible means you attribute human intelligence to something super natural. A soul/spirit/ghost whose mechanisms cannot be duplicated in physical matter. That is stupid. Does the possibility exist that the soul as a seat of int...
[21:01:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03sgleysti [56] (Score:2) 02Re:Redefine "AI" - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 553 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:01:40] <exec> 08└─Simulating human consciousness with a computer would be an interesting philosophical and computational exercise and could be instrumental in accelerating the progress of psychology. Personally, I think the ultimate goal of AI should be to transcend human intelligence and that a sufficiently advanced...
[21:01:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Redefine "AI" - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 181 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:01:43] <exec> 08└─Simulating human consciousness with a computer would be an interesting philosophical and computational exercise and could be instrumental in accelerating the progress of psychology.
[21:01:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03WillR [2012] (Score:2) 02If it's real, it's not AI anymore. - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 181 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:01:45] <exec> 08└─As soon as something works well enough to start moving out of the lab and into real products, we stop calling it "AI", it becomes "machine vision" or "self-driving cars" or "Alexa".
[21:01:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:2) 02Re:Redefine "AI" - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:01:47] <exec> 08└─The "AI" we all strive for is not possible
[21:01:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03edIII [791] (Score:2) 02Re:Redefine "AI" - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 1939 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:01:49] <exec> 08└─AI exists, but to varying degrees. What clouds our ability to recognize it is Hollywood movies expressing how some writers envision technology working. Star Trek science? Artificial Intelligence is simply the ability of a program to perform feats of logic and reasoning to accomplish work, much like...
[21:01:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03captain normal [2205] (Score:2) 02Re:People don't hate Computers... - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 87 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:01:56] <exec> 08└─Yes, but so far all software is created by humans. Therefore, garbage in > garbage out.
[21:01:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score:2) 02So … - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 200 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:01:59] <exec> 08└─So if I understand correctly, the problem actually is humans overestimating what AI can do. So, no, the problem isn't the bad AI. The problem is the humans who don't understand it and expect miracles.
[21:02:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ken_g6 [3706] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Watson already knows what it doesn't know - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 308 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:02:01] <exec> 08└─When it was on Jeopardy, Watson knew when not to buzz in. The only really absurdly wrong answer I can remember it giving was on a Final Jeopardy question, where it wasn't allowed to say, "I don't know." Now the main threat might be if marketing refuses to let Watson say, "I don't know", in other sit...
[21:02:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03vux984 [5045] (Score:2) 02Re:Watson already knows what it doesn't know - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 633 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:02:03] <exec> 08└─Cite for the watson gaffe? I can't find it. I did find the one where it replied toronto instead of chicago for a relatively easy question. (the one about a US city with airports named after WWII hero / battle.) But the followup covered Watson's reasoning fairly well -- indicating that it had underwe...
[21:02:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03DutchUncle [5370] (Score:2) 02Not incompetence, just subtle imperfection - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 448 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:02:05] <exec> 08└─Consider your own experience with voice-to-text, spellcheck, etc. The worst case is not the obvious wrong case; it's the mostly-correct case with one subtle error that affects the meaning, and is close enough to be missed in proofreading. Siri and Alexa are good enough for choosing which song to pla...
[21:02:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Not *just* crappy AI - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 211 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:02:07] <exec> 08└─The bigger danger is that this crappy AI will be sold as infallible. Hands up if you know a salesman that sells stuff his company makes as opposed to selling what the customer is describing... Yeah... thought so
[21:02:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02General Intelligence - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 159 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:02:09] <exec> 08└─General intelligence isn't needed for ai to be a threat to the work force, it just has to be more efficient at a given task than your average fast food worker.
[21:02:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03istartedi [123] (Score:2) 02Re:Why backdoored encryption is a bad idea ... - 06Former NSA Contractor May Have Stolen 75% of TAO's Elite Hacking Tools - 107 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:02:20] <exec> 08└─That's because teenage nihilists usually have a negative net worth. Mature adults usually have some assets.
[21:02:23] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] 02Article summary is factually incorrect - 06Former NSA Contractor May Have Stolen 75% of TAO's Elite Hacking Tools - 384 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:02:23] <exec> 08└─This guy never stole any hacking tools. I am 100% sure that the NSA still has all their hacking tools, and has not lost use of them whatsoever. If this guy did indeed make unauthorized copies as alleged, that's all he did: he made copies. The tools are still there. Unauthorized copying is not steali...
[21:02:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Article summary is factually incorrect - 06Former NSA Contractor May Have Stolen 75% of TAO's Elite Hacking Tools - 44 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:02:28] <exec> 08└─You're playing football on a baseball field.
[21:02:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score:2) 02Re:Article summary is factually incorrect - 06Former NSA Contractor May Have Stolen 75% of TAO's Elite Hacking Tools - 549 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:02:31] <exec> 08└─Hey, if you can figure out how to make a duplicate of my bank account, and then spend that money, while my own bank account is unchanged, let me know. I wouldn't be upset about that at all. And if you can figure out how to duplicate family members, that'd be a real feat too. I wonder if my girlfrien...
[21:02:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Arik [4543] (Score:2) 02Ah, idiocy. - 06Former NSA Contractor May Have Stolen 75% of TAO's Elite Hacking Tools - 231 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:02:34] <exec> 08└─If your definitions are so mushy your words have no meaning, any word is fundamentally equivalent to any other, and no real communication is possible. This is why those who hate intelligence always argue for such mushy definitions.
[21:02:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Article summary is factually incorrect - 06Former NSA Contractor May Have Stolen 75% of TAO's Elite Hacking Tools - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:02:37] <exec> 08└─This guy never stole any hacking tools.
[21:02:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03istartedi [123] (Score:2) 02Re:Article summary is factually incorrect - 06Former NSA Contractor May Have Stolen 75% of TAO's Elite Hacking Tools - 373 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:02:39] <exec> 08└─Next to a tombstone in the rhetorical grave yard, the soil stirs. An eerie shiver runs down your spine. A cold wind blows. With a moan of desolation the black dirt over the grave cracks open and the gnarled hand of this semantic ghoul rises. Like a snake it darts for your ankles, coils, and grabs. I...
[21:02:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Good job, NSA - 06Former NSA Contractor May Have Stolen 75% of TAO's Elite Hacking Tools - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:02:41] <exec> 08└─Spies ... even less competent than the rest of the government, because there's no oversight.
[21:02:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03donkeyhotay [2540] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Two Words... - 06Former NSA Contractor May Have Stolen 75% of TAO's Elite Hacking Tools - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:02:43] <exec> 08└─"NSA contractor". And there you have it. If the data and software is so super sensitive, why are you using contractors?
[21:02:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score:2) 02Re:Two Words... - 06Former NSA Contractor May Have Stolen 75% of TAO's Elite Hacking Tools - 501 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:02:45] <exec> 08└─Because the federal government hiring and employment system is so broken. If they only allowed federal employees to do the work, they wouldn't be allowed to pay them anywhere near what the private sector pays, so either the jobs would go unfilled, or they'd have to hire incompetents. So they contrac...
[21:02:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03esperto123 [4303] (Score:2) 02It is very easy to understand how - 06Former NSA Contractor May Have Stolen 75% of TAO's Elite Hacking Tools - 255 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:02:47] <exec> 08└─Because it was not theft, it was a copy! He didn't remove a single item, so nobody could had notice something missing, and unless you monitor every packet in your local network, someone with high privilage access can copy anything at anytime and get away.
[21:02:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score:2) 02Re:It is very easy to understand how - 06Former NSA Contractor May Have Stolen 75% of TAO's Elite Hacking Tools - 270 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:02:50] <exec> 08└─He didn't remove a single item [...] According to the article, a prosecutor is alleging that he did: Myers said Martin took “many thousands of pages” of classified material as well as 50 terabytes of digital data, much of which has “special handling caveats.”
[21:02:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03vux984 [5045] (Score:2) 02Re:Money - 06Georgia Tests New Solar Road - 974 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:03:00] <exec> 08└─Roofs? Do you realize how much of a mega-project that is? Do you have any idea how impractical that is? What would it be made of? How tall would it have to be? How many thousands of miles is it? How much weight in snow would it have to support? It would have to contend with earthquakes, flooding, wi...
[21:03:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Money - 06Georgia Tests New Solar Road - 69 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:03:02] <exec> 08└─It would pay for itself within months from the cellular roaming fees.
[21:03:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score:2) 02Re:Money - 06Georgia Tests New Solar Road - 763 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:03:04] <exec> 08└─replace the weeds and mud or solar panels or WTF in the center with dual track electrified railway Won't work. This is the South; there aren't enough people interested in traveling anywhere within the South by train, in the densities required to fill up trains, to make this economically viable. In f...
[21:03:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Arik [4543] (Score:2) 02Re:Solar Frickin' Roadways? - 06Georgia Tests New Solar Road - 778 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:03:09] <exec> 08└─"Here we go again... Oh wait, this project actually makes sense. Put the solar panels in the median where they can be properly angled, install drainage on the ground." Well that part of it makes more sense but the whole thing sounds quite stupid to me. Some solar panels in a median allow the importa...
[21:03:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score:2) 02Re:Solar Frickin' Roadways? - 06Georgia Tests New Solar Road - 955 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:03:11] <exec> 08└─If that spot between the median was supernaturally good for solar production I'm sure it would have been in use already This is completely wrong thinking. Remember, you're talking about government-owned and managed land here. Even private businesses make horribly stupid decisions and oversights all...
[21:03:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03NewNic [6420] (Score:2) 02Re:leading cause of crashes? - 06Georgia Tests New Solar Road - 468 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:03:19] <exec> 08└─How about Americans are crap drivers? Even if you take the difference in miles driven per year into account, the accident rate in the USA is much higher [citylab.com], and, as you point out, the USA is spread out further, which should lead to lower average congestion of roads. Note this table. [cit...
[21:03:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03NewNic [6420] (Score:2) 02Re:leading cause of crashes? - 06Georgia Tests New Solar Road - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:03:24] <exec> 08└─I am unfamiliar with where Runway lives
[21:03:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score:1) 02Re:leading cause of crashes? - 06Georgia Tests New Solar Road - 49 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:03:26] <exec> 08└─Thanks, I didn't know that was illegal in Alaska.
[21:03:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Tangential topic - 06Photons Brake the Sun - 18 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:03:44] <exec> 08└─Best SN post ever.
[21:03:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score:2) 02Re:Tangential topic - 06Photons Brake the Sun - 295 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:03:46] <exec> 08└─That argument is basically the argument that just because you can divide by an arbitrary small positive number, you should also be able to divide by zero. Note that this is not just an analogy; if you try to actually describe a frame of reference for the photon, you will need to divide by zero.
[21:03:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:2) 02Re:Tangential topic - 06Photons Brake the Sun - 173 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:03:48] <exec> 08└─But describing the proper time, at least, of faster particles involves multiplying by increasingly small numbers, and we know exactly what happens when you multiply by zero.
[21:03:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Perpetual Motion Machine-like flaw? - 06Photons Brake the Sun - 431 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:03:51] <exec> 08└─I'm not a physics expert, but this sounds like a reverse perpetual motion machine. There has to be equal and opposite reactions somewhere, no? Suppose we built a billion rockets here and launched them in the opposite direction of Earth's rotation. Would that slow the rotation of Earth a bit? If it's...
[21:03:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Perpetual Motion Machine-like flaw? - 06Photons Brake the Sun - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:03:53] <exec> 08└─Correction: one would launch the rockets in the SAME direction as Earth's rotation.
[21:03:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03kanweg [4737] (Score:1) 02coriolis - 06Photons Brake the Sun - 44 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:03:56] <exec> 08└─I was thinking of some Coriolis effect. Bert
[21:04:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Who still uses the hyphen site? - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 64 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:04:22] <exec> 08└─that explains why the rules/mods are so old school douchetastic.
[21:04:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score:2) 02Re:Just do debian. - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 61 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:04:29] <exec> 08└─You can't uninstall systemd from Debian since many years ago.
[21:04:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03linuxrocks123 [2557] (Score:2) 02Re:Slack or OpenBSD - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 2412 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:04:38] <exec> 08└─Second Thexalon. I would in fact be suspicious of Slackware if they did say they would _NEVER_ adopt SystemD. Slackware is an ambitious project, like any serious distro, and Slackware does not define itself in terms of what it won't do. If SystemD evolves into a project that fits with Slackware's vi...
[21:05:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Re:How much of that cash goes to the costumers? - 06Vizio Settles With FTC, Will Pay $2.2 Million and Delete User Data - 140 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:05:09] <exec> 08└─Stalk one person, go to jail or get a fine and restraining order. Stalk 11 million households, get a slap on the wrist. Business as usual...
[21:05:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Punishment - 06Vizio Settles With FTC, Will Pay $2.2 Million and Delete User Data - 120 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:05:15] <exec> 08└─Why do they have to demonstrate financial losses due to the violations? Is having their privacy violated not bad enough?
[21:05:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Punishment - 06Vizio Settles With FTC, Will Pay $2.2 Million and Delete User Data - 120 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:05:18] <exec> 08└─Why do they have to demonstrate financial losses due to the violations? Is having their privacy violated not bad enough?
[21:05:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Magic Oddball [3847] (Score:2) 02Re:Linux fragmentation - 06Ubuntu Linux Boss Mark Shuttleworth: Carrots for Unity 8? - 990 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:05:29] <exec> 08└─Keep in mind that part of the strength of Linux is that it doesn't need bundles of money to recover from any particular distro's mistakes. Linux's true weakness is the same damn one that currently affects the other major OSes & major software projects, which is that the pleasure & convenience for de...
[21:06:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Rich [945] (Score:2) 02Semi-OT: BaaS - 06Chrome 56 Quietly Added Bluetooth Snitch API - 727 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:06:28] <exec> 08└─Heh. Finally a topic where I can reasonably post this comment, of an idea that occured to me recently after being similarly being reminded how fat browsers got: We need Browsing as a Service. BaaS. Some lard-assed browser, like recent Firefox or Chrome will sit in the cloud, and be accessed through...
[21:06:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Cost vs value - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 235 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:06:58] <exec> 08└─There was a law that required financial advisers to act in their clients best interest (and e.g. not knowingly sell them bad mortgage debt as an investment). Somehow I don't think repealing that benefited the little guy... [forbes.com]
[21:06:59] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Whoever [4524] 02Re:Cost vs value - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 197 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:06:59] <exec> 08└─The president lacks the authority to turn the country into a libertarian utopia. He will accomplish little more than deregulating enough to ensure monopolies are maintained, and the rich get richer
[21:07:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03HiThere [866] (Score:2) 02Re:Cost vs value - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 1153 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:07:02] <exec> 08└─No, it's not the libertarian goal, but it may well be the Libertarian goal. I haven't followed that party's platform in decades, so I not real sure. That said, even the libertarian goal isn't workable in a society where you don't know most people you deal with. You need at least a minarchy with well...
[21:07:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03HiThere [866] (Score:2) 02Re:Cost vs value - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 347 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:07:06] <exec> 08└─The clear answer here is that a patent *is* a monopoly and a regulation. The problem being pointed out is actually the selective removal of regulations. Unfortunately, things are more complex than that. The unselective removal of regulations would also favor the powerful...though not as much as bein...
[21:07:09] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] 02Re:Cost vs value - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 646 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:07:10] <exec> 08└─Uhhhh - wait a second. Which laws, exactly, got us into that mess? Glass-Steagall? Either you are joking, and doing a poor job of it, or you're 'bout dumb as a box of rocks. Glass-Steagall was passed IN RESPONSE TO the housing bubble crash. We crashed and burned because there was little regulation....
[21:07:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Cost vs value - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:07:19] <exec> 08└─> Where DOES all that money go? Developers mostly, actually.
[21:07:21] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] 02Re:Some do, some don't - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 2853 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:07:22] <exec> 08└─It's true that the American lifestyle is very wasteful, and a whole lot of could be done to make life more efficient, without sacrifice. The typical dwelling is extremely poor at maintaining a comfortable indoor climate without expensive, energy intensive, and wasteful methods. A ballpark analyses o...
[21:07:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] (Score:2) 02Re:Some do, some don't - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 4027 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:07:28] <exec> 08└─America is seriously warped towards favoring the more expensive (and therefore more profitable to the seller) solutions. Double pane windows? Far less costly to install those when the house is built, not refit the house years later. Failing that, it's a lot cheaper to use drapes than upgrade all the...
[21:07:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:2) 02Re:Some do, some don't - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 872 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:07:31] <exec> 08└─You mention that heating/cooling is the biggest cost, and you're absolutely right. But even seeming "no brainers" to improve that often have really long payoffs. Several years back, I bought a home and my agent made a big deal about how the home we were looking at already had all the windows "upgrad...
[21:07:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Some do, some don't - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 878 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:07:34] <exec> 08└─> People are living at home a lot longer, refusing to take responsibility for their own lives. Actually laughing out loud here. I know lots of people who are mortified about having moved back in with their family after college. But they don't have a choice, literally, since bankruptcy is out, their...
[21:07:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Some do, some don't - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 382 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:07:36] <exec> 08└─Right. Literally unbearable. Every single one of them tries to bear it, but literally can't. They hang themselves. Shoot themselves. Drown themselves. Every single one of them. Because literally, it is impossible to bear the strain. And that's the ones that just don't go completely, apeshit, bugfuck...
[21:07:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Some do, some don't - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 705 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:07:40] <exec> 08└─You don't get it! The spread is a bell curve. The mean has shifted left. The right-most, those with self-control, prudence, thrift(!), foresight, planning, intelligence, schooling, contacts, social skills, etc. are fine. But where the line on the bell curve for 'poverty', on the left, used to have 2...
[21:07:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Some do, some don't - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 765 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:07:42] <exec> 08└─Your point being what? That prudence, self-control and all the rest of it are desirable? They improve life outcomes? We knew that. How does your observation (inasmuch as it's not speculation) translate into a proposal different from the GPP's? "Hey kids, think about your expenditures and try to matc...
[21:11:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03meustrus [4961] (Score:2) 02Re:The REAL problem - 06NOAA Whistleblower: Climate Data Was Manipulated, the Computers Used "Suffered a Complete Failure" - 910 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:11:00] <exec> 08└─Industry will solve their own problems. They had electricity before anyone else, after all, and plenty of factories already have dedicated power resources. Green companies are already leading the way due to a combination of customer demand and lack of availability on the standard grid. As for stupid...
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[22:00:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score:2) 02Re:Good Work - 06Hack Knocks Out a Fifth of the Dark Web - 398 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:00:50] <exec> 08└─Something is definitely hidden in those taxes. Maybe something illegal. Or maybe his tiny hands aren't even as big as he would like us to think they are. It could be his head wasn't screwed on just right. It could be, perhaps, that his shoes were too tight. But I think that the most likely reason of...
[22:00:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03edIII [791] (Score:2) 02Re:Good Work - 06Hack Knocks Out a Fifth of the Dark Web - 1493 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:00:51] <exec> 08└─Abso-fucking-lutely. There is a combination of Unaoil and the Panama Papers in Donald Trump's activities. This administration is the epitome of a "pay-to-play" presidency that was the primary existential threat posed by Hillary and her supporters. Except, now Trump is giving the position of Secretar...
[22:00:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Good Work - 06Hack Knocks Out a Fifth of the Dark Web - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:00:54] <exec> 08└─Oh but but but according to my "betters" Devos is completely qualified because she said TANSTAAFL!
[22:00:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Parallel construction is a thing - 06Hack Knocks Out a Fifth of the Dark Web - 133 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:00:57] <exec> 08└─and hardly anyone who matters cares when its used against pedos. https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org],
[22:00:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score:2) 02Re:Parallel construction is a thing - 06Hack Knocks Out a Fifth of the Dark Web - 167 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:00:59] <exec> 08└─Parallel construction is a Conspiracy of prosecutors and law enforcement to commit perjury by lying to the court and the defense about what their evidence actually is.
[22:01:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Parallel construction is a thing - 06Hack Knocks Out a Fifth of the Dark Web - 108 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:01:01] <exec> 08└─"hardly anyone who matters cares" So you care. Do you matter? If so, congratulations, you are hardly anyone.
[22:01:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Parallel construction is a thing - 06Hack Knocks Out a Fifth of the Dark Web - 2164 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:01:03] <exec> 08└─Sorry, I disagree. Parallel construction is a thing that is *kept secret* from courts and defense attorneys. Does it go on? Of course. But not in a way the defense can use in court, normally. If defense attorney cannot specify exactly the parallel method used then it is whistling in the dark. But if...
[22:01:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Wrong conclusion. - 06Hack Knocks Out a Fifth of the Dark Web - 530 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:01:05] <exec> 08└─Chain of evidence will keep it from being used in court, however, it could be sufficient, as a privately supplied source, as probable cause for a sting or raid on the perpetrators to get valid evidence. It's like... if I dug a human femur from your yard, and took it the police, they couldn't use it...
[22:01:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Wrong conclusion. - 06Hack Knocks Out a Fifth of the Dark Web - 55 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:01:08] <exec> 08└─Chain of evidence will keep it from being used in court
[22:01:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score:2) 02Re:Wrong conclusion. - 06Hack Knocks Out a Fifth of the Dark Web - 740 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:01:10] <exec> 08└─Your intuition isn't unreasonable, but the common prohibition does exist and does serve a purpose, though I think both myself and the grandparent oversimplified how it works. The rule isn't about evidence quality. Nor is it about chain of custody. No, the thing that might get this evidence tossed ou...
[22:01:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03insanumingenium [4824] (Score:1) 02What exactly was his evidence before he began this - 06Hack Knocks Out a Fifth of the Dark Web - 239 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:01:12] <exec> 08└─Am I the only one who is worried the TFA seems to imply that it must be CP and the host must be in on the racket because the throughput was high and the host didn't do anything about that? Seems like a totally valid reason to go-a-hacking.
[22:01:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02It's not an attack. It's... - 06Hack Knocks Out a Fifth of the Dark Web - 64 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:01:14] <exec> 08└─...a successfully installation of Denuvo DRM. Content protected!
[22:01:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The court is playing word games - 06Google Told to Hand Over Foreign Emails in FBI Search Warrant Ruling - 419 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:01:25] <exec> 08└─Okay, let me try this argument. Your honor I did NOT steal that candy bar from the Kick Twip store. What happened was: 1. Someone put the candy bar into someone else's pocket, unknown to them, and 2. When that person came out of the store, I picked the candy bar from their pocket while they were dis...
[22:01:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02US court: Russia can seize all emails - 06Google Told to Hand Over Foreign Emails in FBI Search Warrant Ruling - 318 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:01:28] <exec> 08└─If the US can just demand emails from other countries without the foreign country having any say in it, what stops a Russian court from demanding all American email based on their local laws? Thus you might as well summarize the article as: "US court: Russia can legally read all gmail emails from al...
[22:01:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Ridiculous - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:01:47] <exec> 08└─No, you don't. That would require reading comprehension.
[22:02:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score:2) 02Re:The Real Threat is Conflict of Goals - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 772 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:02:00] <exec> 08└─I don't think Incompetence is the real threat. A minor threat, yes. Will someone be killed by a self driving car acting incompetently? Probably. The real threat is this. AI systems are really goal seeking. That AI program that drives a car, or can catch a ball every time, or read handwriting, or pla...
[22:02:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score:2) 02Re:The Real Threat is Conflict of Goals - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 67 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:02:02] <exec> 08└─https://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Paperclip_maximizer [lesswrong.com]
[22:02:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score:2) 02Re:People don't hate Computers... - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 118 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:02:08] <exec> 08└─We had a story recently about software that changes other software. /article.pl?sid=17/01/30/2127239 [soylentnews.org]
[22:02:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03choose another one [515] (Score:2) 02Threat is dumb machines, not smart - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 1833 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:02:16] <exec> 08└─Dumb machines are going to be the problem - TFA doesn't quite put it that way, but I think that is the biggest threat. The biggest issues with self driving cars, for instance, are likely (IMO) to be the same issues we get with dumb drivers - not the complex moral decisions about which kid do I kill...
[22:02:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03moondoctor [2963] (Score:1) 02AI is many things to many people - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 313 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:02:18] <exec> 08└─AI to me always meant sentient machine. Algorithmic intelligence like Watson is totally different. It could still be a dangerous but not in the same league/dimension as a thinking machine. Seeing as we still don't have a clue what consciousness is, it's a fascinating subject. This premise, though, i...
[22:02:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Re:Why backdoored encryption is a bad idea ... - 06Former NSA Contractor May Have Stolen 75% of TAO's Elite Hacking Tools - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:02:30] <exec> 08└─Isn't it wonderful how people are tamed by the idea that they have something to lose (tangible or not)?
[22:02:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03edIII [791] (Score:2) 02Re:Why backdoored encryption is a bad idea ... - 06Former NSA Contractor May Have Stolen 75% of TAO's Elite Hacking Tools - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:02:32] <exec> 08└─Assets are not what make you beholding and slaved to those above. You were speaking about DEBT.
[22:02:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Ah, idiocy. - 06Former NSA Contractor May Have Stolen 75% of TAO's Elite Hacking Tools - 813 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:02:44] <exec> 08└─If you're asserting that precision and common sense are mutually exclusive, then I disagree with your premise. My comment was that one can focus on a facet of word meaning unnecessarily, and miss the entire point of an (attempted) discussion. I am willing to risk the theoretical (but vanishingly sma...
[22:03:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:2) 02Re:Money - 06Georgia Tests New Solar Road - 880 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:03:04] <exec> 08└─Possible although I was also thinking its a direct strike against existing railroad shippers. I mean what defines economic activity links quite like an interstate? And electric instead of diesel means no clouds of smoke for the drivers. And the price of diesel doesn't matter to electrics. They "shou...
[22:03:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score:2) 02Re:Money - 06Georgia Tests New Solar Road - 556 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:03:05] <exec> 08└─I'm thinking the future of high speed rail is being replaced by high speed internet conferencing and other remote work technologies. Where are you getting this idea? I'm not seeing much of an uptake in remote work in the software industry, let alone other industries. I can already take a 100 MPH tra...
[22:03:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Re:Tangential topic - 06Photons Brake the Sun - 189 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:03:40] <exec> 08└─It ruins my "cruising the galaxy at warp speed" dreams (or nightmares, depending on the presence of particles in the way). But it does save on food supplies if you arrive just as you leave.
[22:03:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Perpetual Motion Machine-like flaw? - 06Photons Brake the Sun - 582 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:03:47] <exec> 08└─There is a relativistic effect called the Poynting-Robertson force that causes dust rotating about a star to suffer a drag as the result of the light from the star. This paper argues that the observed differential rotation can be described as the effect of a torque on the outer layers of the photosp...
[22:05:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02See also the SECURITY extension doc - 06Ubuntu Linux Boss Mark Shuttleworth: Carrots for Unity 8? - 757 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:05:22] <exec> 08└─https://www.x.org/releases/X11R7.6/doc/xextproto/security.html [x.org] copyright 1996, over 20 years old. So the problem is not X11, the problem is the programs that ignore the things already provided. Two decades of "X11 is insecure" bullshit. No, your fucking program or toolkit is insecure. Same s...
[22:05:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03hendrikboom [1125] (Score:2) 02Re:Linux fragmentation - 06Ubuntu Linux Boss Mark Shuttleworth: Carrots for Unity 8? - 274 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:05:26] <exec> 08└─Soon now, we will have to talk of GNU/Linux, Android/Linux, Wayland/Linux, Mir/Linux, Gnome/Linux, KDE/Linux, Unity/Linux, and they'll all be incompatible. Not to mention Unity, the commercial game development platform, which is also available in a Linux flavour. -- hendrik
[22:05:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03hendrikboom [1125] (Score:2) 02Re:IBM? you mean DEC! - 06Ubuntu Linux Boss Mark Shuttleworth: Carrots for Unity 8? - 163 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:05:43] <exec> 08└─IBM gave a huge amount of money to MIT computing in those days. MIT accepted it only on the condition that they didn't have to use IBM hardware when they spent it.
[22:06:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03hendrikboom [1125] (Score:2) 02Sky colour - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 93 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:06:38] <exec> 08└─Of course. Up here where it is snowing and we'll have freezing rain tonight they sky is grey.
[22:06:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03goody [2135] (Score:2) 02Re:Cost vs value - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 303 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:07:00] <exec> 08└─Dodd-Frank was passed in response to the housing bubble crash. Glass-Steagall was what was repealed in 1999 prior to the housing bubble crash and contributed to it. But you're essentially right about the laws. Trump wants to repeal Dodd-Frank, which is repeating history all over again, and very stup...
[22:09:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03KilroySmith [2113] (Score:2) 02Re:Clean energy not the future in the US - 06Why China is Dominating the Solar Industry - 134 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:09:50] <exec> 08└─Doesn't have to be either/or. Both (along with many other drivers) probably combined to drive the US engine through the 50's and 60's.
[22:11:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nobuddy [1626] (Score:2) 02Re:Lead-gas was government; clean env was private. - 06NOAA Whistleblower: Climate Data Was Manipulated, the Computers Used "Suffered a Complete Failure" - 1047 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:11:00] <exec> 08└─Your issue about "environmentalists are laughed at" is where you are going wrong. pseudoscience lunatics are not environmentalists. they may be activists in favor of the environment- but they are not producing the data, studies, trends, or predictions. The environmental scientists are. Your claim ab...
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[23:00:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score:1) 02Re:Summary critique - 06Librem 13 Coreboot Report - February 3rd, 2017: It's Alive! - 545 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:50] <exec> 08└─It seems to be a crowd-funded project to make a laptop computer, intended to run Linux, with an emphasis on "privacy, security, and freedom." https://puri.sm [puri.sm] https://www.crowdsupply.com [crowdsupply.com] https://www.linuxjournal.com
[23:01:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03choose another one [515] (Score:2) 02Re:Parallel construction is a thing - 06Hack Knocks Out a Fifth of the Dark Web - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:07] <exec> 08└─Nope, what the evidence _is_ doesn't change, how they got it is where the lying is...
[23:01:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Wrong conclusion. - 06Hack Knocks Out a Fifth of the Dark Web - 1486 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:12] <exec> 08└─OK. Let's say it's like that. You dug a human femur from my yard and took it to the police. No, it wouldn't give the police probable cause to search my home, on several grounds. (pun intended.) Even if you could persuade a police department that they wouldn't end up paying me millions for defamation...
[23:01:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03choose another one [515] (Score:2) 02Re:Wrong conclusion. Also probably wrong... - 06Hack Knocks Out a Fifth of the Dark Web - 618 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:14] <exec> 08└─Given that half the CP on the dark web is/was reckoned to be run by the FBI (and other law enforcement probably run part of the rest) - see e.g. https://thenextweb.com [thenextweb.com] it is very likely...
[23:01:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:2) 02How about Bing image search? - 06Hack Knocks Out a Fifth of the Dark Web - 165 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:01:19] <exec> 08└─It has lots of child porn. If you enter a kiddyporn keyword, it suggests some other related keywords. You could start with "Donald Trump" and end up with child rape.
[23:01:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheGratefulNet [659] (Score:2) 02Re:US court: Russia can seize all emails - 06Google Told to Hand Over Foreign Emails in FBI Search Warrant Ruling - 314 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:31] <exec> 08└─this is like: be careful what you do to prisoners from other countries; if we abuse them, they will abuse US if they capture us in war. but I don't give the US credit for thinking even that 'deeply'. we are in a post-fact era (sigh) and so reason and logic matters now. the R's are in charge, now, bw...
[23:01:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02One difference? - 06Google Told to Hand Over Foreign Emails in FBI Search Warrant Ruling - 1331 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:01:32] <exec> 08└─IIRC in Microsoft, the information was actually being stored by a foreign-chartered subsidiary of Microsoft. It wasn't Microsoft USA's information to give up because it belonged to Microsoft Wherever, Inc. (Conveniently ignoring that Microsoft USA controlled the flow of information that allows the u...
[23:01:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score:2) 02Re:One difference? - 06Google Told to Hand Over Foreign Emails in FBI Search Warrant Ruling - 138 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:34] <exec> 08└─And to think this could all probably be avoided if the feds just provided reasonable excuses (i.e. warrants) for what they wanted to read.
[23:01:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score:2) 02Re:One difference? - 06Google Told to Hand Over Foreign Emails in FBI Search Warrant Ruling - 167 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:36] <exec> 08└─Okay maybe that's not fair. Perhaps a better question would be, "Why is Google doing this, and is there an easier way to get them to stop fighting than legal threats?"
[23:01:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Yog-Yogguth [1862] (Score:2) 02Evil vs. evil - 06Google Told to Hand Over Foreign Emails in FBI Search Warrant Ruling - 3400 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:01:39] <exec> 08└─Google and Alphabet is evil but it is also evil to claim unlimited and uninhibited universal juridical domain. Anyway anyone can see the writing on the wall for Google and Alphabet after they banded together with Soros in funding juridical activism directly challenging the executive power of the US...
[23:01:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score:2) 02Re:Evil vs. evil - 06Google Told to Hand Over Foreign Emails in FBI Search Warrant Ruling - 306 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:41] <exec> 08└─Umm...could you put that in a less-frothing-at-the-mouth, plain-language way? Really not following your logic that a bunch of companies opposing Trump's immigration executive order somehow constitutes "slave trading." Those bastards, trying to let people continue immigrating! String them all up, I s...
[23:01:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03moondoctor [2963] (Score:1) 02Re:Ridiculous - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 125 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:54] <exec> 08└─Malice is an emotion, which would require a full on thinking 'mind' and building one of those is a ways off if ever it seems.
[23:02:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03moondoctor [2963] (Score:1) 02Re:Redefine "AI" - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 647 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:13] <exec> 08└─This drives me nuts, one of those pet peeves. Those machine learning programs are truly amazing and reach a certain level of 'intelligence' which muddies the issue. Even more the distinction between thinking and programming is not held by all people (!) and the current machine learning systems do qu...
[23:02:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score:2) 02Re:The Real Threat is Conflict of Goals - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 21 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:18] <exec> 08└─That's great. Thanks.
[23:02:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03krishnoid [1156] (Score:3, Funny) 02He's just bitter - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 231 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:02:32] <exec> 08└─Bundy notes that most all of our big-deal AI successes in recent years are extremely narrow in scope. We have machines that can play Jeopardy and Go—at tremendous cost in both cases—but that's nothing like general intelligence.
[23:02:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Yog-Yogguth [1862] (Score:2) 02Intelligence is past incompetence properly applied - 06The Real Threat is Machine Incompetence, Not Intelligence - 990 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:02:34] <exec> 08└─Title says it all really; barring plain luck (which is nothing but plain luck) somewhere along the history of the intelligence (or intelligent decision, same thing) you need to have not only a fuckload of incompetence (yeah we've got that covered but keep at it) but also the mechanisms by which the...
[23:02:43] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Anonymous Coward 02Why backdoored encryption is a bad idea ... - 06Former NSA Contractor May Have Stolen 75% of TAO's Elite Hacking Tools - 358 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:02:44] <exec> 08└─This is a real life example of why backdoored encryption is VERY bad idea. Imagine they had mandated by law that everyone had to use backdoored encryption. The NSA would likely be one of the parties with the master key. Imagine this guy had sold that master key. Now anyone can use the government acc...
[23:03:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:2) 02Re:Money - 06Georgia Tests New Solar Road - 81 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:21] <exec> 08└─There's only a few trains in the US that go that fast; most are pretty darn slow.
[23:03:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:2) 02Re:leading cause of crashes? - 06Georgia Tests New Solar Road - 430 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:31] <exec> 08└─A lot of the anti-public transit sentiment, at least near where I live, is about keeping those people away from the neighborhood. The thinking is, basically, that if you prevent a bus route from going somewhere, then you prevent a certain segment of the population from going somewhere, which contain...
[23:03:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Sulla [5173] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:leading cause of crashes? - 06Georgia Tests New Solar Road - 614 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:40] <exec> 08└─Only banned in parts of the state. The major cities of course have legal alcohol, but it is prohibited in much of the bush. Alaskan Natives have a lower tolerance to alcohol because of its recent introduction to them, causing all sorts of issues. The boroughs in many cases decided to ban it to try a...
[23:03:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Username [4557] (Score:2) 02Liability - 06Georgia Tests New Solar Road - 537 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:03:47] <exec> 08└─When your construct a fragile multi-million dollar solar array two feet away from a constant stream of 1.5 ton vehicles traveling at 60+ MPH, you would need to try and eliminate even the smallest cause of a crash to make it seem viable. I hope which ever motorist that hits this thing has good insura...
[23:04:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] (Score:2) 02SoylentOS! - 06Advice Wanted: The Underlying OS for soylentnews.org - 434 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:04:43] <exec> 08└─Couldn't be more wrong! The obvious solution is to make your own. Gentoo is for wimps! Real sysadmins build from scratch. While Linux From Scratch is a good starting point, I'd get away from Linux entirely, and FreeBSD as well. After all, they're monolithic kernels. Illumos?? How could you even cons...
[23:07:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02gas dryer operation - 06The High Cost of a Home Is Turning American Millennials Into the New Serfs - 250 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:07:26] <exec> 08└─Gas should be all you need. Use an alternator to power the spark plugs or glow plugs. As a nice option, you could have a starter motor instead of a crank or pull cord. This will require adding a battery. The same goes for ceiling fans, blenders, etc.
[23:11:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:2) 02Re:Lead-gas was government; clean env was private. - 06NOAA Whistleblower: Climate Data Was Manipulated, the Computers Used "Suffered a Complete Failure" - 260 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:11:10] <exec> 08└─said companies hire propaganda shills to muddy the water and make it look like there is controversy on the issue, in order to prolong their profit from X- with the ultimate goal of completely discrediting the facts if at all possible so they can use X forever.
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