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[00:09:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Well, fuck you then - 06How to Secure MongoDB - 371 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:09:04] <exec> 08└─Exactly. If not a random password, then they should have restricted it to local logon only from a special account, and then an admin could log in through this and create/specify any credentials they want to use. Seriously. If I install MongoDB on Debian (which automatically enables and starts such s...
[00:09:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03RS3 [6367] (Score:1) 02Re:Well, fsck you then - 06How to Secure MongoDB - 1296 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:09:06] <exec> 08└─edIII, I sort of agree with you in general, but I really don't blame MongoDB for having port 27017 open by default. I certainly agree that it's a bad practice, but as far as I can tell, _any_ server software can/will be vulnerable without firewalling. We live in a "plug and play" world- everyone wan...
[00:09:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Well, fsck you then - 06How to Secure MongoDB - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:09:08] <exec> 08└─we need to import more It's not necessary. I telecommute to you. Very convenient for you!
[00:09:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:military - what else needs to be said? - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 260 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:09:38] <exec> 08└─If a third of your friends are transgender, you probably live in California. Either you will vote to separate from the USA, or an earthquake will separate you, but either way the whole mentally ill lot of you will be out of or hair soon after the inauguration.
[00:09:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score:2) 02Re:military - what else needs to be said? - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:09:39] <exec> 08└─Wisconsin, but thanks for playing :D Try again, dipfuck.
[00:09:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02We can only hope! - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 125 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:09:42] <exec> 08└─The secession of California from the US is the on way I would stay in the former. I already am packing my bags of the latter.
[00:09:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:We can only hope! - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 87 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:09:44] <exec> 08└─If you don't like this country, get the fuck out and leave, maybe Mexico will take you.
[00:09:49] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] 02Re:military - what else needs to be said? - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 754 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:09:50] <exec> 08└─Be fair, most of the people who "volunteered" for the military did it because there isn't shit for them in their hometowns, and I have to wonder if it was engineered to be this way. In other words, make communities that just HAPPEN to be primarily black or Hispanic into shitholes on purpose so they'...
[00:09:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03NewNic [6420] (Score:1) 02Re:military - what else needs to be said? - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 300 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:09:57] <exec> 08└─Pretty much everything that happened at Abu Ghraib is contrary to everything the military has taught it's troops since - damned near forever. .... And, I don't let anyone in the chain of command off the hook on that. The blonde in the photos needed to serve prison time, in the cell across from Bush.
[00:09:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:military - what else needs to be said? - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 291 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:09:59] <exec> 08└─Uhhhh - please re-read the post you responded to. I said the blonde needs to be in prison, right alongside the former president. I don't see any suggestion in my post that the lieutenants, colonels, and generals in between the top and the bottom of the chain of command should be exonerated.
[00:10:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03NewNic [6420] (Score:1) 02Re:military - what else needs to be said? - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 672 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:10:02] <exec> 08└─Uh, I did read it, carefully. Perhaps you should re-read my post. I was commenting on your omission, which I felt was informative (perhaps showing implicit biases) rather than what you included. It would have taken less words to write that the whole chain of command should go to prison than the way...
[00:10:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03linuxrocks123 [2557] (Score:2) 02Re:military - what else needs to be said? - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 1983 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:10:06] <exec> 08└─It's clear from the anecdotes and testimonies that have managed to escape the military's internal workings that the military is hell on Earth: - You are sworn to blindly obey petty tyrants. - Said petty tyrants play sick psychological torture games on you whenever they feel like it. - You have very...
[00:10:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:military - what else needs to be said? - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 1013 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:10:08] <exec> 08└─I disagree with your perspective, but some of your points are decent. I'll state here again, that the military is a tool of congress. Sometimes, congress uses it's tools wisely, but more often, congress uses it's tools foolishly. Vietnam had little real justification. More, Vietnam was lost by polit...
[00:10:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:2) 02Re:military - what else needs to be said? - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 324 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:10:10] <exec> 08└─No, the AC's right. That "uphold and defend the constitution" and "obey lawful orders only" schtick is only a dodge, an attempt to have your cake and eat it, too. No wet-behind-the-ears private is going to look the commander in the eye and refuse to massacre the villagers because "that's an unlawful...
[00:10:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:military - what else needs to be said? - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 883 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:10:12] <exec> 08└─At My Lai, there wasn't just a commander and a couple wet-behind-the-ears privates. I would have to look for specifics, but I can say that there were almost certainly some sergeants, some of them with years, maybe even decades of service. Among the people who acted to end the massacre were a spec 4,...
[00:10:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02People also forget... - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 301 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:10:21] <exec> 08└─Ted Kazynski (the Unabomber) was an MkUltra test subject before he became a professor then had his break down and hid in the woods for years before deciding to blow random people up because his favorite meadow got turning into a mining town or something. Lot of fucked up shit gone down cuzza gubment...
[00:10:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:military - what else needs to be said? - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 204 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:10:32] <exec> 08└─No, you don't need to refute anything. What you should do instead of end your life, it clearly has less value. I'd rather have actual SS posting on this site than see another one of your retarded remarks.
[00:10:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:military - what else needs to be said? - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 279 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:10:37] <exec> 08└─"that group of Russian women in WWII who were badass snipers probably had zero of that machismo bullshit" That part of your post is perfectly true. Those women were warriors. Machismo and warrior are not synonyms. Now, maybe you want to go look up the definitions of those words?
[00:10:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Why? - 06Announcing Remacs: Porting Emacs to Rust - 408 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:10:53] <exec> 08└─I guess we should count ourselves lucky that these modern-day software "engineers" aren't in a real engineering profession. They'd be trying to rework tried-and-true designs and principles because they're "old" and "legacy." We'd have a bunch bridges, skyscrapers and highways that would be falling a...
[00:11:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02real estate - 06Announcing Remacs: Porting Emacs to Rust - 61 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:11:06] <exec> 08└─so now the realty company is branching into hipster kodester.
[00:11:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Help an old elisp (and scheme) programmer - 06Announcing Remacs: Porting Emacs to Rust - 151 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:11:07] <exec> 08└─"writing your first elisp function using Rust." That makes no sense - you write elisp functions in elisp, otherwise, they're *not elisp functions*?!?!?
[00:12:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Pino P [4721] (Score:2) 02Re:How many vowels do you need for a language? - 06Researchers Report That Guinea Baboons Make Five Vowel-Like Sounds Similar to Those Used by Humans - 184 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:12:05] <exec> 08└─From the summary: Joel Fagot, a primatologist at Aix-Marseille University in France [...] vowels, which are "critical for language," Fagot says. "You can't have language without them."
[00:12:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03hamsterdan [2829] (Score:2) 02Re:Different tiers - 06Hyper-Threading Enabled on Intel's Kaby Lake Pentium CPUs - 484 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:12:26] <exec> 08└─For everyday use, my old DELL Optiplex 755 with a 3.16 dual-core CORE2Duo does the job (old Agility2 SSD). couple of years old. It's been upgraded to 8GB RAM, Soundblaster Audigy2 and Radeon 7750. Next week it will be transplanted with a Q6600 (tricked into running at 3GHZ by painting pads with wind...
[00:13:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Only option - 06Amazon to Add 100,000 Full-Time Jobs in the U.S. - 718 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:13:22] <exec> 08└─Maybe they have already squeezed out the competition, but I don't find *anything* on Amazon that is a compelling price. Specifically trumpet mouthpieces, their prices are full retail price + full shipping costs. Woo, not very excited. On eBay there's still a few items that are real 2nd-hand sales (i...
[00:13:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Net loss - 06Amazon to Add 100,000 Full-Time Jobs in the U.S. - 136 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:13:28] <exec> 08└─Are you talking about that tape with the Russian hookers? If not, sorry for the misunderstanding - how can subscribe to your newsletter?
[00:13:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Strong AI - 06Poker Is the Latest Game to Fold Against Artificial Intelligence - 123 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:13:42] <exec> 08└─No way. Humor is about saying the same phrase again and AGAIN AND AGAIN. In Russia, humor JOKES ON U. I make a funny ha ha.
[00:13:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Wrong question to ask here - 06Poker Is the Latest Game to Fold Against Artificial Intelligence - 111 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:13:56] <exec> 08└─Can we program it to *want* to reduce CO2 as well? Wow, tech has come such a long way since I left work at 5pm.
[00:14:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:poker bot isn't an AI - 06Poker Is the Latest Game to Fold Against Artificial Intelligence - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:14:18] <exec> 08└─thats certainly moer useful and appealing.
[00:16:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Re:You think THAT'S bad? - 06DNA Tests Identify Widespread Mislabeling at Los Angeles Sushi Restaurants - 117 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:16:16] <exec> 08└─Not dyed, but a mix of horsradish and mustard is what you can find here. It's not bad as a first-order approximation.
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[01:09:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2, Interesting) 02Nice but - 06Dell's Latest Laptop is $100 Cheaper If You Buy It With Ubuntu - 203 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:09:05] <exec> 08└─why Ubuntu, and not Debian? Ubuntu is built on Debian, after all. Without Debian there likely never would have been a Ubuntu. Ehhh - whatever. It's still nice that we don't have to pay the Microsoft tax.
[01:09:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Zz9zZ [1348] (Score:2) 02Re:Nice but - 06Dell's Latest Laptop is $100 Cheaper If You Buy It With Ubuntu - 279 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:09:06] <exec> 08└─Because Ubuntu has packaged everything to "just work" and has better support for end users. Pure Debian will leave a lot of users scratching their heads as they try and learn some rudimentary linux admin stuff. Also modding you up because how on earth is your comment off topic??
[01:09:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03dlb [4790] (Score:2) 02Re:Nice but - 06Dell's Latest Laptop is $100 Cheaper If You Buy It With Ubuntu - 268 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:09:08] <exec> 08└─The nice thing here, regardless of the distro, is that they are selling a computer preinstalled with Linux, which means that the hardware is probably going to work well with Linux. Reinstalling the distro of one's choice should only take a pendrive and an hour or so.
[01:09:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Pino P [4721] (Score:2) 02Pragmatism toward proprietary software - 06Dell's Latest Laptop is $100 Cheaper If You Buy It With Ubuntu - 1193 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:09:10] <exec> 08└─I can think of a couple reasons, both related to a little more pragmatism toward proprietary software on Canonical's part: "open source" philosophy rather than the "software freedom" associated with distributions such as Debian and the more purist Trisquel. Ubuntu makes it easier to find and install...
[01:09:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimshatt [978] (Score:2) 02Re:Well, fuck you then - 06How to Secure MongoDB - 394 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:09:21] <exec> 08└─Well, yes and no. First of all, the machine you install MongoDB on must be internet-facing, which is unusual even in small companies. Home users are often behind some NAT which complicates things. 'Hackable' is a bit of an overstatement, too. The database contents can be read and modified, but there...
[01:09:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03mechanicjay [7] (Score:2, Insightful) 02Re:Well, fsck you then - 06How to Secure MongoDB - 75 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:09:25] <exec> 08└─....but I really don't blame MongoDB for having port 27017 open by default.
[01:09:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03requerdanos [5997] (Score:2) 02But, MongoDb is web scale... - 06How to Secure MongoDB - 105 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:09:27] <exec> 08└─The company has stated it is the user's responsibility to make these changes to the default configuration
[01:10:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03NewNic [6420] (Score:1) 02Re:military - what else needs to be said? - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 183 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:10:01] <exec> 08└─If California separated from the USA, the USA would be bankrupt very quickly: 1. The dollars that CA contributes to the federal budget. 2. Access to West Coast ports (LA and Oakland).
[01:10:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03kurenai.tsubasa [5227] (Score:1) 02Re:Identity - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 291 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:10:05] <exec> 08└─I didn't realize we were talking about gelflings [wikia.com] or animals. But it occurs to me that if the standard of making this determination is not by looking at the animal, but by comparing brain scans of representative animals to our test animal, that something has gone horribly wrong.
[01:10:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:military - what else needs to be said? - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 247 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:10:17] <exec> 08└─So I can see where the lawful order business is to prevent outright massacres and other war crimes, but I can also see that it is a useful way for the govt to deflect responsibility onto lower ranking personnel for actions they took under command.
[01:10:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:military - what else needs to be said? - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 169 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:10:30] <exec> 08└─If you question the chain of command, you are a worse soldier than the weakest or dumbest gay, female or transgender soldier, and a shame to the people who preceded you.
[01:11:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nerdfest [80] (Score:2) 02Re:Why? - 06Announcing Remacs: Porting Emacs to Rust - 58 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:11:12] <exec> 08└─Thanks. This is why I come here. Well, that and the abuse.
[01:11:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Marand [1081] (Score:2) 02Re:progress in elisp - 06Announcing Remacs: Porting Emacs to Rust - 145 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:11:14] <exec> 08└─While you are at it, consider working on making lexical scoping the default, and inserting static type checking in elisp, to further banish bugs.
[01:11:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Marand [1081] (Score:2) 02Re:Help an old elisp (and scheme) programmer - 06Announcing Remacs: Porting Emacs to Rust - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:11:18] <exec> 08└─That makes no sense - you write elisp functions in elisp, otherwise, they're *not elisp functions*?!?!?
[01:11:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Why only foreign companies? - 06Volkswagen Agrees to Plead Guilty, EPA Now Looking at Fiat Chrysler - 244 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:11:43] <exec> 08└─So when do American companies get targeted and brought to justice? How about some good ole made in USA banksters..Goldman Sacs executives..etc. people and companies like that... or maybe they are 'too connected' and make too many 'donations'...
[01:12:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Pino P [4721] (Score:2) 02Re:How many vowels do you need for a language? - 06Researchers Report That Guinea Baboons Make Five Vowel-Like Sounds Similar to Those Used by Humans - 1073 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:12:18] <exec> 08└─I shall try again: It figures that someone who speaks French all day, with its large vowel inventory including rounded front vowels and nasalized vowels, would look at vowels and say "You can't have language without them." Look at Nuxalk [wikipedia.org]. Plenty of words in that language don't have a...
[01:12:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Off - 06Hyper-Threading Enabled on Intel's Kaby Lake Pentium CPUs - 67 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:12:43] <exec> 08└─Fortunately the results of that experiment are usually pretty poor.
[01:12:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Off - 06Hyper-Threading Enabled on Intel's Kaby Lake Pentium CPUs - 1092 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:12:44] <exec> 08└─I'm not sure what your particular application is, but I don't think you really need that. I used to use a dual-core atom netbook (without HT), and was able to wring substantial performance increases out of mplayer with a script that used cgroup shenanigans to lock mplayer on cpu0, and left everythin...
[01:13:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Fulfillment??? - 06Amazon to Add 100,000 Full-Time Jobs in the U.S. - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:13:05] <exec> 08└─re 2/ He did not deserve it. It was her turn!!
[01:13:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) 02Re:Trump Jobs - 06Amazon to Add 100,000 Full-Time Jobs in the U.S. - 41 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:13:25] <exec> 08└─I have nothing to add to that. Well said.
[01:13:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) 02Re:Trump Jobs - 06Amazon to Add 100,000 Full-Time Jobs in the U.S. - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:13:30] <exec> 08└─Every single one of those businesses typically employee a a couple of dozen people at the most.
[01:16:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I could be that sucker - 06DNA Tests Identify Widespread Mislabeling at Los Angeles Sushi Restaurants - 317 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:16:18] <exec> 08└─Aquatic animals (turtles, gators, fish, etc.) do taste like the water they live in. A quality fish producer will flush the tanks with very clean water for the last few days of the fish's lives. Of course, we import our Tilapia from fucking China or southeast Asia, so good luck with that. They feed t...
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[02:09:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Nice but - 06Dell's Latest Laptop is $100 Cheaper If You Buy It With Ubuntu - 492 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:09:09] <exec> 08└─This! For every level of derivative distro that stands between you and the base distro you gain levels of polish, bug protection, and ease of use. True there are some distros that simply repackage the crapload kicked out the door by the distro they are based on, but those don't last long. Ubuntu isn...
[02:09:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Nice but - 06Dell's Latest Laptop is $100 Cheaper If You Buy It With Ubuntu - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:09:10] <exec> 08└─Nitpick: you'd be nuking anything else anyway so no extra effort required :P
[02:09:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Nice but - 06Dell's Latest Laptop is $100 Cheaper If You Buy It With Ubuntu - 323 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:09:13] <exec> 08└─One note though: before actually nuking the preinstalled Linux, check what packages and drivers are used. It is also helps to check out the config files and kernel configuration. With all that information in hand, it can make setting stuff up and slimming down excess installed by default in the dist...
[02:09:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Pragmatism toward proprietary software - 06Dell's Latest Laptop is $100 Cheaper If You Buy It With Ubuntu - 193 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:09:16] <exec> 08└─Some types of software cannot be distributed as free software from day one because of market realities, particularly games, players for rented movies, and income tax return preparation wizards.
[02:09:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Pragmatism toward proprietary software - 06Dell's Latest Laptop is $100 Cheaper If You Buy It With Ubuntu - 746 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:09:19] <exec> 08└─Snap has some serious issues, its not as clear of an advantage as you might think. In the long run it will prove unsupportable as packaged drift toward obsolescence and others emerge and you find you can't get rid of any of them because the Snap dependency model is weak and function retarded. Also,...
[02:09:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02High End? - 06Dell's Latest Laptop is $100 Cheaper If You Buy It With Ubuntu - 212 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:09:21] <exec> 08└─4GB RAM, 500GB spinning Drive, 1366x768 resolution, and integrated Intel graphics all on an i5 that wikichip calls mid-range performance? And on sale for $1,000 with Windows 10? Is Dell competing with Apple now?
[02:09:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:High End? - 06Dell's Latest Laptop is $100 Cheaper If You Buy It With Ubuntu - 900 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:09:23] <exec> 08└─It strikes me as a $400 laptop. I guess the CPU is a little mid-high end, but like you said, there's no discrete graphics. Just glancing at the weight, it doesn't appear to be an ultrabook. It's easily $500 or $600 overpriced. https://slickdeals.net [slickdeals.net] https://slickdeals....
[02:09:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:But, MongoDb is web scale... - 06How to Secure MongoDB - 347 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:09:36] <exec> 08└─They really need to be careful not to lose their reputation. Pretty soon, the higher ups at companies are going to keep seeing "MongoDB" show up in their reports and news about being insecure. MongoDB isn't the only document-oriented database on the block. The high levels will either get wooed away...
[02:09:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:1) 02Re:Now we can be REAL MEN again!!! - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 1086 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:09:51] <exec> 08└─I live in a city full of current and former military and work with many of those types as well, and the military's social experiments are the reason why the overwhelming majority of them got out. Saying that men and women are physically equal and then putting both of them together on grueling marche...
[02:09:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02False Equivalence - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 131 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:09:56] <exec> 08└─If we wanted a truly balanced discussion we would followup any Mother Jones link with something from Breitbart... Or maybe infowars
[02:10:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Fox News: the original fake news - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 482 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:10:02] <exec> 08└─A woman named "Monifa"; her insistence on going to church on Sunday, a church with a "loud choir" (apparently loud enough to trigger a migraine); extremely disrespectful attitude and refusal to obey orders... This sounds like a stereotypical "loud black woman" to me. It's also quite shameful that th...
[02:10:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:1) 02Re:Fox News: the original fake news - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 598 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:10:04] <exec> 08└─Marines have little tolerance for dirtbaggery, especially when it comes to their uniforms. Malingering is also a pretty serious offense. So is disrespecting your seniors, especially a commissioned officer. Shitbags are hounded relentlessly in the military. What her case looks like to me was that the...
[02:10:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Fox News: the original fake news - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:10:06] <exec> 08└─The AC says: personally I've never been very impressed with The Washington Times. From www.huffingtonpost....
[02:10:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) 02Re:military - what else needs to be said? - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:10:21] <exec> 08└─And Cali would be in a self-run race to see if it wanted to starve or die of thirst first. This is a fun game. Let's do Washington DC next.
[02:10:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score:2) 02Re:military - what else needs to be said? - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 1406 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:10:22] <exec> 08└─Wow, you're stupid. California is a huge agricultural producer and exporter. Water is indeed a problem but they get that from the Colorado River which constitutes the border between it and Arizona, so even in secession they'd be entitled to half of that, and could easily purchase the rest they neede...
[02:10:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:1) 02Re:military - what else needs to be said? - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 104 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:10:24] <exec> 08└─California would be paradise on Earth if we could nuke Los Angles and San Francisco. #NotAllCalifornians
[02:10:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Re:military - what else needs to be said? - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 658 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:10:53] <exec> 08└─Let me rephrase my point to clarify for you: - You are required to question orders which you believe to be unlawful (going to the hierarchy for this). - You are allowed to question the fitness of your commanders to be above you in the hierarchy , if you can present facts supporting their incom...
[02:11:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Why? - 06Announcing Remacs: Porting Emacs to Rust - 169 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:11:35] <exec> 08└─Rust hipsters are the last people who should be writing security software. You're gonna end up with plenty of different bugs in the original code that they'll imtroduce.
[02:13:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03deimtee [3272] (Score:2) 02Re:Trump Jobs - 06Amazon to Add 100,000 Full-Time Jobs in the U.S. - 599 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:13:42] <exec> 08└─The term middle-class is suffering from a drift in meaning. Way back it meant significantly above the working class, generally professionals - doctors, lawyers, architects, SMB owners, etc. They would have significant assets, and probably be socially known to the local level upper class. That was wh...
[02:13:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) 02Re:Trump Jobs - 06Amazon to Add 100,000 Full-Time Jobs in the U.S. - 251 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:13:44] <exec> 08└─I dunno about you but I still don't consider someone middle class unless they can support a household on one income and have disposable income enough to put some back. They don't necessarily have to be doing so but they should be able to if necessary.
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[03:09:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03stormwyrm [717] (Score:2) 02Nice - 06Dell's Latest Laptop is $100 Cheaper If You Buy It With Ubuntu - 1147 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:09:20] <exec> 08└─Dell machines with Ubuntu preinstalled actually used to be more expensive [zdnet.com] than those with Windows installed. Back in the day Microsoft even used to make offers (that they couldn’t refuse) with OEMs that stated that if they ever sold other machines preinstalled with some other OS, the p...
[03:09:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:Nice - 06Dell's Latest Laptop is $100 Cheaper If You Buy It With Ubuntu - 466 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:09:22] <exec> 08└─It's relatively nice that they are knocking $100 off the price. Good for you, Dell. But this is still the price for SUCKERS. If you live in the U.S., you use Slickdeals to look for a laptop [slickdeals.net]. End of story. https://slickdeals.net
[03:09:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02It has vPro - 06Dell's Latest Laptop is $100 Cheaper If You Buy It With Ubuntu - 229 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:09:24] <exec> 08└─This laptop has Intel AMT. And even laptops without Intel AMT, which have an Intel CPU and are current, have the Intel Management Engine running. Maybe a better option would be something from https://minifree.org [minifree.org]?
[03:09:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:It has vPro - 06Dell's Latest Laptop is $100 Cheaper If You Buy It With Ubuntu - 328 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:09:26] <exec> 08└─Forgetting the fact that you likely aren't a rebel or freedom fighter and the govt. doesn't really care about your gay midget porn, it looks like you have more options W.R.T. the IME: Intel Management Engine Partially Defeated [soylentnews.org] http://www.phoronix.com
[03:09:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score:2) 02Just the usual scam - 06Dell's Latest Laptop is $100 Cheaper If You Buy It With Ubuntu - 1172 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:09:28] <exec> 08└─As so many others already said, nobody sensible pays MSRP for Dell products so the initial pricetag doesn't mean a lot. They have even done this sort of thing before, but there is always a 'deal' on the Windows version while the Linux version is straight retail. Buy the Windows version and they have...
[03:10:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score:2) 02Re:military - what else needs to be said? - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 251 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:10:24] <exec> 08└─I've been saying since eighth grade that the South won the Civil War by the backdoor; they got to stay in the Union. Fuck me, cut the fucking South loose already and, as you said, let them turn into a 3rd world basket case that makes Mexico look sane.
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[04:09:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Spider Man Spider Man - 06Synthetic Spider Silk Fiber Created - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:09:05] <exec> 08└─Strap these kids toys to your wrists and shot web like your hero. Now with real spider silk!
[04:09:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:Spider Man Spider Man - 06Synthetic Spider Silk Fiber Created - 34 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:09:06] <exec> 08└─Can you handle more? [youtube.com]
[04:09:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score:2) 02Re:Nice but - 06Dell's Latest Laptop is $100 Cheaper If You Buy It With Ubuntu - 710 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:09:19] <exec> 08└─Just my personal opinion, but unless you really want to push Unity, I think Ubuntu is unfortunately not a great choice. For users who know what they're doing, Debian is probably superior. For Linux beginners, it seems most find Linux Mint to be a lot more intuitive and polished than Ubuntu. Ubuntu w...
[04:09:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:1) 02Re:Nice but - 06Dell's Latest Laptop is $100 Cheaper If You Buy It With Ubuntu - 1103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:09:22] <exec> 08└─Traditionally, dating back to 2003, Dell boxen have served me well with better-than-Windows Linux installs. As one example, with Linux, my audio card worked out of the box without having to download drivers as one would have to do in a Windows installation. Dell use standard well-understood hardware...
[04:09:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Nice but - 06Dell's Latest Laptop is $100 Cheaper If You Buy It With Ubuntu - 67 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:09:27] <exec> 08└─Ubuntu has better support for Norton Antivirus and the Ask toolbar.
[04:09:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nerdfest [80] (Score:2) 02Re:High End? - 06Dell's Latest Laptop is $100 Cheaper If You Buy It With Ubuntu - 259 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:09:31] <exec> 08└─Holy crap that seems like a could deal. Sucks that it's through the Microsoft store apparently, but anything in that range for that price is pretty impressive. Getting anything with a 1366x768 screen is completely insane these days (and really, 10 years ago).
[04:09:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:High End? - 06Dell's Latest Laptop is $100 Cheaper If You Buy It With Ubuntu - 228 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:09:34] <exec> 08└─Just watch the first link and you'll find what you want eventually from some other seller. I'm not picking up anything before at least Zen for mobile comes out. Although a 6-core Coffee Lake from Intel in a laptop could be good.
[04:09:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02mongoloidDB - 06How to Secure MongoDB - 689 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:09:54] <exec> 08└─I've had the displeasure of setting up and maintaining it for a friend for his stack once. after about a week it filled the entire disk array up with logs and killed two SSD's in the process with constant writes, nice. turns out by default not only does it listen on all IP's, it doesn't rotate out o...
[04:09:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03rigrig [5129] (Score:2) 02Data loss(=ransomed)... - 06How to Secure MongoDB - 473 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:09:55] <exec> 08└─Oh noes, all data on our server was accidentally formatted+/hacked through softwareX*/crisped in a fire/deleted buy a bug in softwareX*/"safely" disposed off+/destroyed by flooding/dropped by an intern+ Data Security Plan: we can shift the blame to an external party/intern in 5 out of 7 cases, and c...
[04:10:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:Now we can be REAL MEN again!!! - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 396 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:10:14] <exec> 08└─"Even my butch rugby-playing lesbo aunt" Wow, you have interesting relatives. My aunts were mostly boring old women, except for great-aunt Madeline who was retired from the CIA. But, every time senile old Aunt Madeline started talking interesting stuff, her keeper chased everyone out of the room. "T...
[04:10:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) 02Re:military - what else needs to be said? - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:10:43] <exec> 08└─could easily purchase the rest they needed
[04:13:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score:2) 02Re:Fulfillment??? - 06Amazon to Add 100,000 Full-Time Jobs in the U.S. - 28 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:13:46] <exec> 08└─Her turn to lose badly??? ;)
[04:14:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Dunbal [3515] (Score:2) 02Re:Wrong question to ask here - 06Poker Is the Latest Game to Fold Against Artificial Intelligence - 48 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:14:53] <exec> 08└─Build a machine that genuinely enjoys bickering.
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[05:09:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Nice but - 06Dell's Latest Laptop is $100 Cheaper If You Buy It With Ubuntu - 400 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:09:28] <exec> 08└─I understand that, but I remember the days of having to fiddle with the conf files for X and whatnot. Additionally, installers for generic distributions tend to install everything under the sun to make sure they work. You are probably right about it being unnecessary, but I've been bit before (in th...
[05:09:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score:2) 02Re:Pragmatism toward proprietary software - 06Dell's Latest Laptop is $100 Cheaper If You Buy It With Ubuntu - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:09:32] <exec> 08└─How would you like the tech support job of talking to some little old lady in Kentucky through a Nvidia recovery. I've done that and it sucks.
[05:09:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:High End? - 06Dell's Latest Laptop is $100 Cheaper If You Buy It With Ubuntu - 211 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:09:39] <exec> 08└─4GB RAM, 500GB spinning Drive, 1366x768 resolution, and integrated Intel graphics all on an i5 that wikichip calls mid-range performance? And on sale for $1,000 with Windows 10? Is Dell competing with Apple now?
[05:09:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:It has vPro - 06Dell's Latest Laptop is $100 Cheaper If You Buy It With Ubuntu - 259 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:09:45] <exec> 08└─As scary as it is. All exploits are theoretical. Only proof of concepts have been made. That and disabling it seems to have adverse effects. breaking other devices on the system to causing weird behavior like the screen on a laptop just suddenly shutting off.
[05:09:54] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03edIII [791] 02Well, fuck you then - 06How to Secure MongoDB - 106 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:09:54] <exec> 08└─The company has stated it is the user's responsibility to make these changes to the default configuration.
[05:10:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02The Truth - 06How to Secure MongoDB - 168 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:10:06] <exec> 08└─I hate Mongo, but.......this happened because idiot sysadmins left their MongoDB machines open on public IPs without any firewall rules. It's not really MongoDB's fault
[05:10:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:[meta] commentary - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:10:29] <exec> 08└─We see submissions approved from sources like CNN, NPR, NYT, WaPo, etc. all the time. These sources have a clear agenda
[05:11:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:military - what else needs to be said? - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 493 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:11:11] <exec> 08└─That may be where it *originated*, but that doesn't explain why the USA chooses to apply that language *to its own military* to this day. Think about the reasons I gave when I wrote my post. One of the benefits is that the US military can absolve itself as an organization of responsibility for atroc...
[05:12:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:What does this volatility say about the currenc - 06China Runs Checks on Bitcoin Exchanges - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:12:46] <exec> 08└─I want to sell you things in bitcoin but I have no idea what to charge you. Yeah. Makes sense.
[05:14:08] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03BenJeremy [6392] 02Trump Jobs - 06Amazon to Add 100,000 Full-Time Jobs in the U.S. - 429 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:14:08] <exec> 08└─Low paying day laborer type jobs, exactly what 1%ers like Trump want to transform America's middle class into. For those who haven't figured it out (i.e. working class Trump supporters), it's all about destroying the middle class and increasing the wealth gap. Plenty of jobs really don't matter if y...
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[06:09:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Flamebait) 02That's no Shadow - 06Hubble Finds "Shadow" Caused by an Exoplanet Tugging at a Protoplanetary Disk - 191 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:09:06] <exec> 08└─Interplanetary Niggers are coming to rape American Pussy, and only Trump can save our bitches. Nigger cock can't reach the Pussy when Trump already has his hand in there grabbing for Freedom.
[06:09:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Now we can stop torturing spiders - 06Synthetic Spider Silk Fiber Created - 58 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:09:15] <exec> 08└─They strap golden orb spiders down to pull out their silk.
[06:09:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:Nice - 06Dell's Latest Laptop is $100 Cheaper If You Buy It With Ubuntu - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[06:09:43] <exec> 08└─It's relatively nice that they are knocking $100 off the price. Good for you, Dell.
[06:10:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03driverless [4770] (Score:2) 02Re:Well, fuck you then - 06How to Secure MongoDB - 185 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[06:10:01] <exec> 08└─Here's a simple guide to securing MongoDB. Anyone should be able to implement it, there's only one step. Don't put it on the fscking public Internet. There, that wasn't so hard, was it?
[06:10:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:military - what else needs to be said? - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 959 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[06:10:55] <exec> 08└─Assholes! Self-important shitheads As far as the eye can see. Pollution! A sky turned orange by traffic that you wouldn't believe. Worthless! Egos and denial Nobody is really your friend. Burn it! Set it on fire It's time to put it to an end. Burn LA! Straight to the ground We've had enough of that...
[06:11:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03charon [5660] (Score:1) 02Re:military - what else needs to be said? - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 538 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[06:11:18] <exec> 08└─The point of basic training to break down the recruit's will and spirit so they can be rebuilt as a soldier. A soldier obeys the commands of his superiors, always, under penalty of discharge, prison or, in combat situations, summary execution. So yes, most or all soldiers told by their officer to sh...
[06:11:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score:2) 02Re:military - what else needs to be said? - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 57 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[06:11:41] <exec> 08└─Oh no. A Nazi apologist is sad that I'm mean to nazis :(.
[06:12:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score:2) 02Re:Why? - 06Announcing Remacs: Porting Emacs to Rust - 107 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[06:12:11] <exec> 08└─Because it's old. Old things tend to Rust if you don't explicitly protect against it, didn't you know that?
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[07:09:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Flamebait) 02Free NOW - 06CVS Partners With Impax to Sell Low-Cost Generic Epipen Alternative - 238 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:09:03] <exec> 08└─Air is free, why not epipen is free? Water is free, why not epipen is free? Sunlight is free, why not epipen is free? Sidewalk is free, why not epipen is free? Road is free, why not epipen is free? Freeway is free, why not epipen is free?
[07:09:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Free NOW - 06CVS Partners With Impax to Sell Low-Cost Generic Epipen Alternative - 48 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:09:04] <exec> 08└─Pay for with your basic income, lazy freeloader.
[07:09:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03stormwyrm [717] (Score:2) 02Patents - 06CVS Partners With Impax to Sell Low-Cost Generic Epipen Alternative - 1061 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:09:06] <exec> 08└─The whole story of the EpiPen seems to have lots of patent disputes. A quick look at the history of the EpiPen [wikipedia.org] shows that the original design was produced in the mid-1970s and was approved by the FDA in 1987. Any patents that Sheldon Kaplan or his compatriots at Survival Technology m...
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[08:09:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score:2) 02Re:Free NOW - 06CVS Partners With Impax to Sell Low-Cost Generic Epipen Alternative - 11 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:09:07] <exec> 08└─Air is free
[08:09:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Free NOW - 06CVS Partners With Impax to Sell Low-Cost Generic Epipen Alternative - 44 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:09:09] <exec> 08└─No, it isn't. It's paid for with your taxes.
[08:09:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03davester666 [155] (Score:2) 02Re:Patents - 06CVS Partners With Impax to Sell Low-Cost Generic Epipen Alternative - 210 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:09:12] <exec> 08└─They don't because of: -fear of being sued by Mylan for newer patents for a similar, but slightly different/improvd pen -fear of being sued by customers because the old pen isn't quite as reliable as newer pens
[08:09:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:That's no Shadow - 06Hubble Finds "Shadow" Caused by an Exoplanet Tugging at a Protoplanetary Disk - 57 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:09:21] <exec> 08└─Trump hands too small to full pussy, nigger cock slip in.
[08:09:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Go Trump! - 06Synthetic Spider Silk Fiber Created - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:09:32] <exec> 08└─Hell, even spiders are being outsourced. (Relax, it's 2/3 joking)
[08:09:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Go Trump! - 06Synthetic Spider Silk Fiber Created - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:09:34] <exec> 08└─*twitchy mod finger withdraws*
[08:09:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Go Trump! - 06Synthetic Spider Silk Fiber Created - 16 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:09:36] <exec> 08└─choke the spider
[08:09:48] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] 02Re:Nice but - 06Dell's Latest Laptop is $100 Cheaper If You Buy It With Ubuntu - 710 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:09:48] <exec> 08└─Just my personal opinion, but unless you really want to push Unity, I think Ubuntu is unfortunately not a great choice. For users who know what they're doing, Debian is probably superior. For Linux beginners, it seems most find Linux Mint to be a lot more intuitive and polished than Ubuntu. Ubuntu w...
[08:12:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03davester666 [155] (Score:2) 02Re:Why? - 06Announcing Remacs: Porting Emacs to Rust - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:12:18] <exec> 08└─and it must be able to run in a browser.
[08:13:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score:2) 02Re:What does this volatility say about the currenc - 06China Runs Checks on Bitcoin Exchanges - 206 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:13:11] <exec> 08└─Buy Bitcoin put options, and then demand the amount of Bitcoins that allows to get the desired amount of dollars using those options, plus the cost of the options. Just as is done in other volatile markets.
[08:14:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score:2) 02Re:Off - 06Hyper-Threading Enabled on Intel's Kaby Lake Pentium CPUs - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:14:05] <exec> 08└─In Linux, at least, HT is handled exactly like that.
[08:15:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Wrong question to ask here - 06Poker Is the Latest Game to Fold Against Artificial Intelligence - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:15:34] <exec> 08└─Of course we can. Can we program it to actually do something about it? That's another question.
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[09:09:13] <exec> 08└─driver retained as janitor at minimum wage
[09:09:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Pedestrians know no rules - 06Self-Driving Shuttle Bus Tested in Las Vegas - 334 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[09:09:14] <exec> 08└─Worst place to be operating any automated machinery is around pedestrians, who stop on a dime, turn on their heels, and slither directly under your wheels. On Fremont Street in Vegas, already full of drunks, noise, dazzling lights, and the occasional scantily clad ladies. What could possibly go wron...
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[09:09:16] <exec> 08└─So if it can survive Fremont Street, it can work anywhere!
[09:10:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Now we can be REAL MEN again!!! - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 53 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:10:56] <exec> 08└─It balances out the stuff submitted by aristarchus...
[09:10:58] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03BK [4868] 02[meta] commentary - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 995 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:10:58] <exec> 08└─We see submissions approved from sources like CNN, NPR, NYT, WaPo, etc. all the time. These sources have a clear agenda although most agree that they lean but do not topple (CNN is pressing their luck there lately though...). Hell we've even had numerous approved stories from sites like Mother Jone...
[09:11:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:military - what else needs to be said? - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 105 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:11:26] <exec> 08└─Not in a free market where neighboring states treat them like the foreign country they are they couldn't.
[09:15:24] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03stormreaver [5101] 02Re:Strong AI - 06Poker Is the Latest Game to Fold Against Artificial Intelligence - 26 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:15:24] <exec> 08└─They cannot possess faith.
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[10:09:14] <exec> 08└─good point. nothing ever gets proven in a clean room environment. eventually you gotta go out and get dirty
[10:09:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03q.kontinuum [532] (Score:2) 02Re:Go Trump! - 06Synthetic Spider Silk Fiber Created - 399 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:09:47] <exec> 08└─What the fuck are you talking about? For decades spiders were taking good American jobs away in the Halloween industry by producing their stuff without creating ANY jobs! It's time to send them home! We will create a huge net! And we will let them pay! This breakthrough in industrial application of...
[10:10:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03bradley13 [3053] (Score:2) 02Re:Nice but - 06Dell's Latest Laptop is $100 Cheaper If You Buy It With Ubuntu - 394 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:10:01] <exec> 08└─Agreed: I don't understand why Ubuntu wanted to develop and push Unity. There are already plenty of great desktops out there - we didn't need yet another one. That said, one shouldn't forget that Ubuntu is available with other desktops. My preferred solution is Xubuntu (Ubuntu with the XFCE desktop)...
[10:10:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03bradley13 [3053] (Score:2) 02Bought one of an earlier version - 06Dell's Latest Laptop is $100 Cheaper If You Buy It With Ubuntu - 279 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:10:19] <exec> 08└─I bought one of these 3-4 years ago for my son to use in school. It's a sweet little machine, and is still going strong. He's just started university, and this is the machine he carries around, takes to lectures, programs on, etc... Sample of one, but based on that: recommended.
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[11:10:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:High End? - 06Dell's Latest Laptop is $100 Cheaper If You Buy It With Ubuntu - 114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:10:15] <exec> 08└─"it's not that much less expensive than a MacBook Pro." But ten-times better, and with "real" USB ports to boot!!!
[11:11:07] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Anonymous Coward 02Re:Fox News: the original fake news - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 4109 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:11:07] <exec> 08└─As usual, there is more than one side to a story, personally I've never been very impressed with The Washington Times. From http://www.huffingtonpost.com [huffingtonpost.com] I think the headline says it all, but I've also pasted in the large cent...
[11:11:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03bradley13 [3053] (Score:2) 02Re:military - what else needs to be said? - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 2106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:11:56] <exec> 08└─Do you obey orders? Illegal orders? Immoral orders? Suicidal orders? This is a surprisingly difficult question, for a whole pile of reasons. - Depending on the situation, there may be no time to thing - if you're under fire, for example. - An individual or even a unit in the field sees only a very s...
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[12:09:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02it was a honeypot - 06Trump's Cyber-Guru Giuliani Runs Ancient 'Easily Hackable Website' - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:09:09] <exec> 08└─Honeypots. Heard of them?
[12:09:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:it was a honeypot - 06Trump's Cyber-Guru Giuliani Runs Ancient 'Easily Hackable Website' - 21 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:09:11] <exec> 08└─Giuliani sure hasn't.
[12:09:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03BsAtHome [889] (Score:2) 02Re:it was a honeypot - 06Trump's Cyber-Guru Giuliani Runs Ancient 'Easily Hackable Website' - 237 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:09:13] <exec> 08└─No, this is a classic one as in: Do as I say, not as I do! It is only for appearances, there is no one taking them seriously. The decisions are made at a different level and have, in general, nothing to do with what is sane or necessary.
[12:09:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Aiwendil [531] (Score:2) 02Re:self driving bus stained by liquor and cum - 06Self-Driving Shuttle Bus Tested in Las Vegas - 434 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:09:26] <exec> 08└─This actually is the thing that I always wonder when I read about driverless vehicles - who makes sure they stay clean? I mean, even in a subway train people do stuff they'd never consider on a bus or a single-train-tram. A commercial carpool, rentals or similar at least have unspections after each...
[12:10:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:High End? - 06Dell's Latest Laptop is $100 Cheaper If You Buy It With Ubuntu - 518 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:10:32] <exec> 08└─3x USB 3.0 and 1x USB Type-C does look like a good find for a 15.6" laptop, although it does nothing to justify the price which should be half of what it is. The premium price can be explained by the complete lack of any real discount (10% is just trickery) and the inclusion of a Kaby Lake processor...
[12:10:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:It has vPro - 06Dell's Latest Laptop is $100 Cheaper If You Buy It With Ubuntu - 88 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:10:40] <exec> 08└─The govt isn't against men + gay midgets. It is against men + girls. An empire of women.
[12:11:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Chrontius [5246] (Score:1) 02Re:Fox News: the original fake news - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 223 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:11:30] <exec> 08└─When the facts are on your side, pound on the facts. ah, here it is: "If you have the facts on your side, pound the facts. If you have the law on your side, pound the law. If you have neither on your side, pound the table."
[12:11:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) 02Re:military - what else needs to be said? - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 204 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:11:51] <exec> 08└─See, if you still hung out in IRC you'd know I've been in TN for just under two years now. Tons of water here. And it's far more fun to float over lake currents in my boat with a line or two in the water.
[12:12:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Chrontius [5246] (Score:1) 02Re:military - what else needs to be said? - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:12:18] <exec> 08└─You don't always know who's got ice water in their veins ahead of time. Which is a shame - if you did, you'd get a lot less "shoot 'em all and let God sort it out" orders.
[12:13:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score:2) 02Re:What does this volatility say about the currenc - 06China Runs Checks on Bitcoin Exchanges - 518 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:13:39] <exec> 08└─not a BTC expert nor investor, but IIRC the biggest mining pools are in China. If the authorities go knocking at the door there, seize them, they would end up controlling the transactions, even if IIRC a 50%+1 attack might take a bit to succeed depending on luck. If they seize and gag the investors...
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[13:09:08] <exec> 08└─why taking it down, then? I yet have nothing bad to say on Trump other than his eyes being empty (like Obama's eyes are evil, Berlusconi's are downright scary, while good man Putin's are better... probably because he's a lookalike). But if Giuliani server is outdated, let the other camp have a lil'...
[13:09:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:it was a honeypot - 06Trump's Cyber-Guru Giuliani Runs Ancient 'Easily Hackable Website' - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:09:10] <exec> 08└─HEY EVERBODY COME HACK MY SITE IT'S A LEGIT SITE WINK WINK NOT A HONEYPOT I PROMISE
[13:09:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03bradley13 [3053] (Score:2) 02Giuliani never ran a security business - 06Trump's Cyber-Guru Giuliani Runs Ancient 'Easily Hackable Website' - 533 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:09:12] <exec> 08└─His business was lobbying and political influence. The company was clearly a shell, to allow people to pay him, so that he would use his political influence on their behalf. Lobbyists are slime, but the critical difference between this and the Clinton Foundation is that Giuliani sold his political i...
[13:09:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:Giuliani never ran a security business - 06Trump's Cyber-Guru Giuliani Runs Ancient 'Easily Hackable Website' - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:09:14] <exec> 08└─Trump's other picks have qualifications for their jobs, whereas Giuliani quite clearly does not.
[13:09:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:self driving bus stained by liquor and cum - 06Self-Driving Shuttle Bus Tested in Las Vegas - 17 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:09:29] <exec> 08└─Roomba with taser
[13:09:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:self driving bus stained by liquor and cum - 06Self-Driving Shuttle Bus Tested in Las Vegas - 58 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:09:30] <exec> 08└─just what prevents oeople from start using them as motels?
[13:09:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:Pedestrians know no rules - 06Self-Driving Shuttle Bus Tested in Las Vegas - 88 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:09:35] <exec> 08└─... and slither directly under your wheels. ... and the occasional scantily clad ladies.
[13:09:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03FakeBeldin [3360] (Score:2) 02Re:Patents - 06CVS Partners With Impax to Sell Low-Cost Generic Epipen Alternative - 97 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:09:48] <exec> 08└─- fear of being sued by Mylan for newer patents for a similar, but slightly different/improvd pen
[13:10:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03romlok [1241] (Score:2) 02Re:Nice but - 06Dell's Latest Laptop is $100 Cheaper If You Buy It With Ubuntu - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:10:23] <exec> 08└─I'd rather get a machine with freedos installed, or bare naked drives.
[13:13:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:progress in elisp - 06Announcing Remacs: Porting Emacs to Rust - 287 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:13:06] <exec> 08└─The long-standing plan is to replace elisp with Guile [gnu.org], which is the GNU implementation of Scheme, once it has matured enough to have a fully-compatible elisp mode. A quick search shows that you can build the current version of this so-call GuileEmacs from here [emacswiki.org].
[13:13:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03rufty [381] (Score:2) 02Re:Help an old elisp (and scheme) programmer - 06Announcing Remacs: Porting Emacs to Rust - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:13:11] <exec> 08└─To make real sense you'd have to do that in fortran [mit.edu].
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[14:09:09] <exec> 08└─> Apparently, the "Move on; nothing to see here" claims were wrong. > University of Michigan Says Flaws That MedSec Reported Aren't That Serious Apparently there are Microsofters inside the University of Michigan and Fu appears to be one. The University can't maintain a top ranking with Microsofters...
[14:11:46] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] 02military - what else needs to be said? - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 2796 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:11:46] <exec> 08└─The military is trained to kill people, to break and destroy stuff, and to enforce government's will on people around the world. We aren't generally "socially acceptable" people. Military men and women aren't always included in social functions, in Hollyweird, or the state or city governments around...
[14:13:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:1) 02Re:For a cynical take... - 06Volkswagen Agrees to Plead Guilty, EPA Now Looking at Fiat Chrysler - 246 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:13:34] <exec> 08└─The moral is, if you can't follow the regs, you're in the wrong business. Can't keep a kitchen clean? Don't open a restaurant. You have no right whatever to spew illegal crap that makes people sick and have every right to demand that no one does.
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[14:15:08] <exec> 08└─Did you really want Hillary sticking around? It's just a shame she didn't disappear before the primaries.
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[15:09:06] <exec> 08└─Not involved my ass. Of course the FBI is asking them to look. Perhaps even demanding.
[15:09:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:1) 02Re:I dont buy it - 06Cooperation Alleged Between Best Buy and the FBI - 118 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:09:07] <exec> 08└─And It's probably not just Best Buy. Very likely others are involved, maybe even a few small mom and pop repair shops.
[15:11:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:1) 02Re:[meta] commentary - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 147 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:11:45] <exec> 08└─We've seen that revealed via internal memos [wikipedia.org] that required reporting to be specifically slanted to favor republican party orthodoxy.
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[16:09:21] <exec> 08└─In jail where they belongs!!
[16:09:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Troll) 02Nigga In Cheef fo 1 mo week nigga! - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 2 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:09:22] <exec> 08└─
[16:09:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Assange Ego - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 1182 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:09:24] <exec> 08└─Assange is being a total dick. He's using Manning's plight for his own PR purposes. Reminding the public about wikileaks' connection to Manning will knee-cap support for this pardon among democrats. Whatever the reality is regarding wikileaks' effect on the election, a lot of a democrats who would...
[16:09:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02traitorous bitch - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 116 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:09:26] <exec> 08└─If Assange gets any use out of it, that's more than the Army got. Maybe Assange understands Manning better than you?
[16:09:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:1) 02Re:Assange Ego - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 118 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:09:28] <exec> 08└─" Reminding the public about wikileaks' connection to Manning will knee-cap support for this pardon among democrats. "
[16:09:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I dont buy it - 06Cooperation Alleged Between Best Buy and the FBI - 108 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:09:38] <exec> 08└─Fuel the disposable consumer culture, Eth! Don't ever repair anything. Always throw it away and buy another.
[16:09:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:1) 02Re:I dont buy it - 06Cooperation Alleged Between Best Buy and the FBI - 665 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:09:41] <exec> 08└─Tell that to somebody else. I've had my well-worn running shoes for 4 years, my lappy (bought refurbished) for 10 years, and my desktop (also bought refurbished) for 4 years. My printer and acoustic guitar are aged hand-me-downs. A lot of my books are also used, my copy of Animal Farm still has the...
[16:09:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I dont buy it - 06Cooperation Alleged Between Best Buy and the FBI - 26 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:09:43] <exec> 08└─refurbished [] refurbished
[16:09:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02This is a Problem for ALL customers - 06Cooperation Alleged Between Best Buy and the FBI - 658 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:09:45] <exec> 08└─Even if you aren't a pedophile this is a problem for everyone who brings their devices to BBY to work on. These techs aren't just magically able to detect photos that are CP. They are looking at all your photos hoping to find a jackpot. Even if they don't see anything that will get them that $500 p...
[16:09:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02I have never sent back a computer... - 06Cooperation Alleged Between Best Buy and the FBI - 943 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:09:47] <exec> 08└─Without either the drive wiped or pulled for exactly this reason. A zero wipe is enough for casual observation. If you had concerns about criminal indictment or spook level interest in your digital footprint, then you would want the drives physically destroyed (as is supposedly standard for governme...
[16:09:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:This is a Problem for ALL customers - 06Cooperation Alleged Between Best Buy and the FBI - 2120 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:09:49] <exec> 08└─I worked at best buy many years ago. They paid me $5.50 an hour. Sales spiffs were not provided to us; the incentive was still in effect and the *manager* would get the spiff or kickback. Once, I won a pizza party from Intel by answering some questions from a 'secret shopper' of theirs, and because...
[16:09:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) 02Correct me if I'm wrong here... - 06Cooperation Alleged Between Best Buy and the FBI - 422 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:09:51] <exec> 08└─Correct me if I'm wrong here but isn't anyone the FBI actively employs as informants under the same Fruit of the Poisonous Tree doctrine as the FBI itself, regardless of how many levels of indirection are in place? Like if the supervisor is actively employed by the FBI to hunt up CP and said supervi...
[16:10:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03bradley13 [3053] (Score:2) 02It's a mixed bag. - 06After Lawsuits and Denial, Pacemaker Vendor Finally Admits its Product is Hackable - 1253 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:10:01] <exec> 08└─First, let's put the truth out there: Security on most medical devices is essentially non-existent. Just like any other random electronics manufacturers, software is not their specialty, and they probably don't even have anyone on staff with a clue about security. It's bad when this happens with lig...
[16:10:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:1) 02Memories - 06Google Kills Off Titan Internet Drone "Moonshot" - 628 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:10:20] <exec> 08└─As somebody who works for Boston Dynamics (which merged with Titan Aerospace's crew after the acquisition)' wireless applications division, I had plenty of fond memories working with the higher-power transmitters in Project Loon. The Titan guys were great guys. I remember one time Sergei Brin came i...
[16:10:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Thanks E-F! - 06Google Kills Off Titan Internet Drone "Moonshot" - 58 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:10:22] <exec> 08└─You may be bigoted but you sure know how to spin a yarn :)
[16:10:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Memories - 06Google Kills Off Titan Internet Drone "Moonshot" - 124 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:10:24] <exec> 08└─Cute story, but I've never seen a capacitor that I'd mistake for a penny -- to start with caps aren't normally copper color?
[16:11:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:It has vPro - 06Dell's Latest Laptop is $100 Cheaper If You Buy It With Ubuntu - 242 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:11:52] <exec> 08└─i would guess that the people that have already cracked it and using the defeat methods are unlikely to post it to the verge and crow about their successes. They probably are very well financially rewarded and are doing their work in silence.
[16:12:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:[meta] commentary - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 361 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:12:37] <exec> 08└─Khallow, will you ever grow beyond simple literalism? No there are no memos that say "support the republican party line."' There are memos that say "spin stories about X, Y and Z in this way" where "this way" is always the republican party line. Its particularly revealing when the direction of spin...
[16:14:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Why only foreign companies? - 06Volkswagen Agrees to Plead Guilty, EPA Now Looking at Fiat Chrysler - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:14:44] <exec> 08└─Fiat-Chrysler is also American. Nevertheless, Diesel is shit for the environment, and often imported.
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[17:09:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:0, Troll) 02Re:Nigga In Cheef fo 1 mo week nigga! - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 211 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:09:12] <exec> 08└─You can bet your pasty White ass that Obeezy will try to stir up catagory-5 chimpouts before he leaves, and he's gonna start by freeing infamous cop-killer Mumia Abu-Jamal and running guns to the Black Panthers.
[17:09:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02right on cue - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:09:15] <exec> 08└─right on cue That'll do pig, that'll do.
[17:09:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:right on cue - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:09:17] <exec> 08└─So you don't want to hear what I REALLY think about Manning?
[17:09:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nerdfest [80] (Score:2) 02Re:Assange Ego - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 79 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:09:20] <exec> 08└─Apparently the Russians have video that contradicts your statement about Trump.
[17:09:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:1) 02Re:Assange Ego - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:09:22] <exec> 08└─I once saw a movie, called Metal Gear Solid 2, where everything in the world was fake news.
[17:09:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Assange Ego - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:09:25] <exec> 08└─You realize that whole story was created by 4chan, right? And BuzzFeed picked it up, and CNN ran with it. The very definition of fake news.
[17:09:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Assange Ego - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:09:27] <exec> 08└─And all the proof of 4chan hoaxing is a conveniently 'deleted' post. I'll believe it when I see it.
[17:09:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nerdfest [80] (Score:2) 02Re:Assange Ego - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 175 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:09:29] <exec> 08└─I haven't seen any proof either way by anyone, hence the "apparently". But, it's also hilarious and surprisingly believable, so I will absolutely use it as material for jokes.
[17:09:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03r1348 [5988] (Score:2) 02Re:Assange Ego - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 55 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:09:31] <exec> 08└─Then we should remember where the burden of proof lays.
[17:09:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03ledow [5567] (Score:2) 02Re:Assange Ego - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 1513 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:09:33] <exec> 08└─Assange is deliberately offering a trade which cannot, in law, happen. So when it's refused, he gets to look like the "good guy" against the evil empire. The fact is, he's not even in a position to offer that trade, criminals do not get to negotiate their terms of arrest, and even if he was it canno...
[17:09:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] (Score:2) 02punishment is too political - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 902 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:09:36] <exec> 08└─Ought to strive harder to make justice more impartial. Too often been hearing of shamefully harsh, bungling, and/or unrealistic punishments. The Ham Hand of Justice. That's bad enough, but there is also too much corruption, with excessive punishments used as excuses to enrich the state at the expens...
[17:09:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:This is a Problem for ALL customers - 06Cooperation Alleged Between Best Buy and the FBI - 2040 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:09:51] <exec> 08└─The part you're missing with your document is that these people are in fact just that - people. The company has policies, ethics boards, and people all up and down the corporate hierarchy who state that the company's policy is something along the lines of "the customer's data is the customer's alone...
[17:09:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Mandated reporter - 06Cooperation Alleged Between Best Buy and the FBI - 305 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:09:52] <exec> 08└─I am pretty sure that BBY techs are not mandated reporters. [wikipedia.org] That's only a legal requirement applied to certain jobs that actually involve working with children. Like teachers. That would not stop management from lying to their employees for their own purposes, but it would still be a...
[17:09:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03driven [6295] (Score:2) 02So unprofessional - 06Cooperation Alleged Between Best Buy and the FBI - 201 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:09:55] <exec> 08└─I've worked on computers for other people in my spare time and pride myself on the fact that I *don't* go digging through their documents. Anyone who does is extremely unprofessional, to say the least.
[17:09:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nerdfest [80] (Score:2) 02Re:Correct me if I'm wrong here... - 06Cooperation Alleged Between Best Buy and the FBI - 216 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:09:58] <exec> 08└─Unlikely. Isn't that just a "tip", for which the FBI could get a warrant? Worst case they just start watching the person. Well, worst case is that the Best Buy folks start planting photos so they can collect rewards.
[17:09:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02what would YOU do? - 06Cooperation Alleged Between Best Buy and the FBI - 398 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:10:00] <exec> 08└─You're the computer tech. You stumble across child pron, snuff films, human trafficking, or some other crime that you consider to be heinous. What do you do? Dude, you're not a lawyer or a doctor. You haven't sworn some oath to keep shit secret. It's you and your conscience, vs, what exactly? Fear o...
[17:10:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03rts008 [3001] (Score:2) 02Not trying to be smug... - 06Cooperation Alleged Between Best Buy and the FBI - 436 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:10:02] <exec> 08└─My start into computers was an inoperable PC, and much research into the subject.(ironically, most of my knowledge comes from online) The thought of taking a PC somewhere to be repaired would never occur to me. I've always assembled my own hardware, and the experience has benefits that seem priceles...
[17:10:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:2) 02Re:Not trying to be smug... - 06Cooperation Alleged Between Best Buy and the FBI - 24 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:10:04] <exec> 08└─Not trying to be smug...
[17:10:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02Support local small IT shops... - 06Cooperation Alleged Between Best Buy and the FBI - 1362 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:10:07] <exec> 08└─As an owner of a small IT business for more than 12 years I have never been contacted by the government or offered money to keep an eye out for suspicious files. We also don't have time to dig through every hard drive that comes through the door, nor would we care to. I am an advocate of strong priv...
[17:10:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02"They are not looking for it" - 06Cooperation Alleged Between Best Buy and the FBI - 200 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:10:09] <exec> 08└─So there's no reason to open any non OS folders in the process of fixing a PC? The last time I checked, there were no dll's or exe's in the "My Documents" folder. BB just got caught pulling a Clinton.
[17:10:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03tisI [5866] (Score:2) 02Slow News Day - 06After Lawsuits and Denial, Pacemaker Vendor Finally Admits its Product is Hackable - 529 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:10:19] <exec> 08└─Who Cares? I have a St. Jude pace maker and Merlin set up. The Merlin sits right next to my bed and does it's thing interacting with my device while I sleep. If some body wants to "hack" my Merlin or device, they will have to do it while I am in my home, in my bed, .. get the idea? Who the fuck care...
[17:10:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03tisI [5866] (Score:2) 02Re:Slow News Day - 06After Lawsuits and Denial, Pacemaker Vendor Finally Admits its Product is Hackable - 205 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:10:22] <exec> 08└─And this is just me .. I bet anyone's Aunt Tilly would be able to beat some nerd to death with her cane if they were found in her bedroom at night trying to bork her Merlin, pacemaker, or dentures as well.
[17:10:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Cheney Was on Top of This - 06After Lawsuits and Denial, Pacemaker Vendor Finally Admits its Product is Hackable - 374 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:10:24] <exec> 08└─Back in 2007 Cheney had the wireless part of his pacemaker disabled [sophos.com] because of this risk. Those were the days! Back then Cheney shot a man in the face with a shotgun and his victim apologized to Cheney. [theguardian.com] That's real power. Trump only fantasizes about shooting people, [t...
[17:10:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Whoever [4524] (Score:2) 02The website is still up, it's just the DNS is down - 06Trump's Cyber-Guru Giuliani Runs Ancient 'Easily Hackable Website' - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:10:38] <exec> 08└─You can access the website here: http://209.238.99.227 [209.238.99.227]
[17:10:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nerdfest [80] (Score:2) 02Re:The website is still up, it's just the DNS is d - 06Trump's Cyber-Guru Giuliani Runs Ancient 'Easily Hackable Website' - 87 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:10:39] <exec> 08└─Yeah, it looks like they took down the main page. It's all cringe-worthy amateur stuff.
[17:10:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:1) 02Re:Memories - 06Google Kills Off Titan Internet Drone "Moonshot" - 289 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:10:50] <exec> 08└─You've never seen round metal-encapsulated high-capacity planar chip capacitors? Oh, that's right, you don't work in the cutting-edge of electronics like I do. We're a whole different ballgame from your catchpenny Arduino-and-breadboard shop, son. Walk on home and take your ball with you!
[17:10:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Spamalope [5233] (Score:2) 02Re:Memories - 06Google Kills Off Titan Internet Drone "Moonshot" - 261 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:10:51] <exec> 08└─Ceramic disk capacitors can look a bit that way, though they aren't the strongest cap. Here is a picture of one with a penny. http://www.bakersfieldads.net [bakersfieldads.net]
[17:11:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Free NOW - 06CVS Partners With Impax to Sell Low-Cost Generic Epipen Alternative - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:11:17] <exec> 08└─> No, it isn't. It's paid for with your taxes. No, it isn't. It's paid for by your parent's taxes. FTFY
[17:11:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Patents - 06CVS Partners With Impax to Sell Low-Cost Generic Epipen Alternative - 449 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:11:22] <exec> 08└─The old design still has FDA approval, and should have no problems legally. Mylan would have no standing to sue given that one obviously cannot be violating patents for making something for which the patents are expired. If the old design were problematic then one would think that Survival Technolog...
[17:11:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02waiting period - 06CVS Partners With Impax to Sell Low-Cost Generic Epipen Alternative - 491 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:11:24] <exec> 08└─Premise -- some people were hurt due to Mylan's pricing -- they needed an Epipen and one wasn't available due to cost. Now, the market has come up with a suitable response so this manufactured-crisis appears to be over. What if pharma price increases above an inflation-corrected % had to be announce...
[17:12:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03hendrikboom [1125] (Score:2) 02Proprietary Drivers? - 06Dell's Latest Laptop is $100 Cheaper If You Buy It With Ubuntu - 233 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:12:26] <exec> 08└─Does its hardware require any proprietary drivers to function properly? Saying Ubuntu runs does not answer this. It's the question everyone seems not to mention in product announements, and it;s essential for long-term upgradability,
[17:13:06] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Anonymous Coward 02False Equivalence - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 131 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:13:06] <exec> 08└─If we wanted a truly balanced discussion we would followup any Mother Jones link with something from Breitbart... Or maybe infowars
[17:14:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:military - what else needs to be said? - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:14:02] <exec> 08└─My Lai wasn't combat. My Lai was a massacre of unarmed civilians. Much the same as the massacre at Wounded Knee.
[17:14:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score:2) 02Re:Why? - 06Announcing Remacs: Porting Emacs to Rust - 321 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:14:33] <exec> 08└─Not funny but true. I get that new languages have some benefits. I was recently playing with Rust and it feels nice compared to c. But to rewrite an existing OS (not that's funny!) in Rust just for the sake of it is well... pointless. Though, far be it for me to tell someone what to do with their ti...
[17:15:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03mcgrew [701] (Score:2) 02Re:For a cynical take... - 06Volkswagen Agrees to Plead Guilty, EPA Now Looking at Fiat Chrysler - 200 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:15:11] <exec> 08└─Except they're not impossible because other automakers are meeting them. Can't meet those goals with a diesel engine? Use gasoline engines, which are far easier to make clean. Or better yet, electric.
[17:15:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03mcgrew [701] (Score:2) 02Re:For a cynical take... - 06Volkswagen Agrees to Plead Guilty, EPA Now Looking at Fiat Chrysler - 88 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:15:15] <exec> 08└─Yes, and it's up to voters to vote dishonest bastards out of office when they're caught.
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[18:09:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Flamebait) 02Yellow Niggers - 06Chinese State Media Boasts About its New Electronic Reconnaissance Ship - 18 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:09:08] <exec> 08└─are still niggers.
[18:09:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nerdfest [80] (Score:2) 02Re:Assange Ego - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 216 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:09:30] <exec> 08└─Oh absolutely, but I'll make all the jokes about it I want, if only because he's a bigoted, narcissistic, misogynist, of below average intelligence and it gets under his skin. Also because it was too good to pass up.
[18:09:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02The Pee is Just the Surface - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 1780 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:09:32] <exec> 08└─The pee stuff makes for an endless stream of late-night show jokes and puns. My favorite is PEEOTUS... But the really damning claims aren't about the hookers, its all the other stuff about contacts and coordination between his campaign and russia. No 4chan troll has hoaxed that. There is plenty of h...
[18:09:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Assange Ego - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:09:35] <exec> 08└─Fuck you and your authoritarian wank-fest of a post. You are a stinking cunt of a person.
[18:09:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:1) 02Re:punishment is too political - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 468 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:09:38] <exec> 08└─Pretty sure Manning's excessive sentence was to serve as a deterrent to other would-be leakers, especially because on some level the higher-ups knew that the wars were becoming increasingly unpopular for those on the inside as well as the outside of the military. Justice may have a ham hand at times...
[18:09:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03mcgrew [701] (Score:2) 02Re:punishment is too political - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 629 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:09:40] <exec> 08└─There's the Asset Forfeiture Program, red light cameras, parking enforcement especially with parking meters, the classic speed trap, and city ordinances and HOA rules against letting the grass grow too tall, painting your house an unapproved color, etc. Only the first on your list has ever had anyth...
[18:09:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] (Score:2) 02Re:punishment is too political - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 407 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:09:42] <exec> 08└─War on Drugs sure is federal. As is the War on Piracy, what with this Copyright Czar appointed by no less a person than POTUS, and this whole Copyright Alert System they've put into place without direct public input. Why is Aaron Swartz dead? Often the feds have stepped in to roll back a state's too...
[18:10:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:1) 02Re:Mandated reporter - 06Cooperation Alleged Between Best Buy and the FBI - 815 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:10:00] <exec> 08└─When I was a retail photo lab monkey we were required to report CP, though fortunately I never saw anything I had to report -- though I did see lots of titties and even a creampie. But that's different, though - photo lab staff have to see every image, and everybody in sight can see the photographs...
[18:10:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03RS3 [6367] (Score:1) 02Re:So unprofessional - 06Cooperation Alleged Between Best Buy and the FBI - 201 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:10:03] <exec> 08└─I've worked on computers for other people in my spare time and pride myself on the fact that I *don't* go digging through their documents. Anyone who does is extremely unprofessional, to say the least.
[18:10:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score:2) 02Re:Correct me if I'm wrong here... - 06Cooperation Alleged Between Best Buy and the FBI - 391 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:10:07] <exec> 08└─I'm wondering if any of these employees have root-kitted computers for the FBI to 'help' them: root-kit it, the FBI gains access to the computer, gathers evidence, stop accessing computer, gathers 'evidence' the regular way, gets a warrant, then 'root-kits' computer, gathers evidence, takes perp to...
[18:10:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:what would YOU do? - 06Cooperation Alleged Between Best Buy and the FBI - 143 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:10:10] <exec> 08└─You have two choices: (1) Ignore private data because it's none of your business. (2) be a nosy shitbag motherfucker like Runaway. Your choice.
[18:10:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:what would YOU do? - 06Cooperation Alleged Between Best Buy and the FBI - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:10:12] <exec> 08└─of course... but why in the fuck are you going through customer files in the first place?
[18:10:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Whoever [4524] (Score:2) 02Re:The website is still up, it's just the DNS is d - 06Trump's Cyber-Guru Giuliani Runs Ancient 'Easily Hackable Website' - 87 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:10:44] <exec> 08└─Yeah, it looks like they took down the main page. It's all cringe-worthy amateur stuff.
[18:10:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03RS3 [6367] (Score:1) 02Re:The website is still up, it's just the DNS is d - 06Trump's Cyber-Guru Giuliani Runs Ancient 'Easily Hackable Website' - 104 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:10:45] <exec> 08└─More info: http://toolbar.netcraft.com [netcraft.com]
[18:12:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score:2) 02Re:Nice but - 06Dell's Latest Laptop is $100 Cheaper If You Buy It With Ubuntu - 520 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:12:07] <exec> 08└─I had to laugh: one day i bought a new printer. It was a linux compatible, as well as winxp compat (of course, lol). Plugged it into my wifes winxp computer and spent an hour downloading an update to Internet explorer (wtf??? do i need to update the browser for???), then a half hour installing drive...
[18:14:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03charon [5660] (Score:1) 02Re:military - what else needs to be said? - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 186 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:14:08] <exec> 08└─So the implied (or explicit, I am not well read on My Lai) threat was limited to discharge and prison. I guess that makes a grunt emotionally and morally able to challenge his commander.
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[19:09:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Pic -- 4th of a series of this type of ship - 06Chinese State Media Boasts About its New Electronic Reconnaissance Ship - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:09:14] <exec> 08└─http://www.janes.com/article/66853/plan-commissions-another-intelligence-gathering-ship [janes.com]
[19:09:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score:2) 02Re:Nigga In Cheef fo 1 mo week nigga! - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:09:25] <exec> 08└─So long as he does it right outside your apartment complex I'm all for it :D
[19:09:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03kurenai.tsubasa [5227] (Score:1) 02Re:right on cue - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 207 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:09:31] <exec> 08└─I think we're aware that you stand fully with your TERFeminist sisters on this issue. Castrate all men! Unless they want to be castrated! He's no better than those gay butt lovers Julius and Ethan Rosenburg!
[19:09:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:Assange Ego - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 401 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:09:43] <exec> 08└─If a commutation for Manning is on the table ("the short list"), President Obama should accept the offer and see what happens. Then we'll really get to see how much of a dick Julian Assange is. Although another problem here is that Assange hasn't been charged in the U.S. and there are no plans to, A...
[19:09:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03mendax [2840] (Score:2) 02Sentence too long? - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 571 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:09:49] <exec> 08└─Well, maybe. But a prison term was certainly justified. I would be okay with Obama commuting Chelsea's sentence to something like 10 or 15 years. Something not as excessive as 35 years. Geez.... Now, with Snowden if the feds ever get their hands on him, another story. He should be getting a prison s...
[19:10:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Scruffy Beard 2 [6030] (Score:2) 02Re:Mandated reporter - 06Cooperation Alleged Between Best Buy and the FBI - 159 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:10:08] <exec> 08└─In Canada, Persons who Provide an Internet Service [cybertip.ca] are required to report that stuff. Then delete it after exactly 2 weeks unless told otherwise.
[19:10:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Scruffy Beard 2 [6030] (Score:2) 02Re:So unprofessional - 06Cooperation Alleged Between Best Buy and the FBI - 270 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:10:12] <exec> 08└─Date/time stamps are not as easily faked as you might surmise. They contain entropy that is hard to simulate. If you do it badly enough, they may be able to prove they did not have access to the computer during certain times (though clock drift/warping may be an issue).
[19:10:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) 02Re:Correct me if I'm wrong here... - 06Cooperation Alleged Between Best Buy and the FBI - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:10:17] <exec> 08└─I'd think it boiled down to whether the FBI solicited the information or not.
[19:10:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:what would YOU do? - 06Cooperation Alleged Between Best Buy and the FBI - 159 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:10:22] <exec> 08└─^ Professionals shouldn't go through private files and shouldn't be encouraged to do so, but if I found evidence of illegal activity I would report it as well.
[19:10:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03q.kontinuum [532] (Score:2) 02Re:Not trying to be smug... - 06Cooperation Alleged Between Best Buy and the FBI - 472 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:10:26] <exec> 08└─Good luck assembling your own laptop... If you really know a shop selling suitable parts, please, post a link. I have my home-partition encrypted and bank on that encryption being save enough. I'd never go to tech-support for sw issues, only hw. Therefore if they need to boot, they can use their own...
[19:10:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Scruffy Beard 2 [6030] (Score:1) 02Re:Not trying to be smug... - 06Cooperation Alleged Between Best Buy and the FBI - 123 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:10:28] <exec> 08└─They be like: "Your Windows installation was corrupted, so we replaced it. that will be $30 for the Windows license please"
[19:11:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:Memories - 06Google Kills Off Titan Internet Drone "Moonshot" - 16 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:11:11] <exec> 08└─Ha ha. Bullshit.
[19:11:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Scruffy Beard 2 [6030] (Score:2) 02Re:Pedestrians know no rules - 06Self-Driving Shuttle Bus Tested in Las Vegas - 418 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:11:27] <exec> 08└─If you have ever played with robotics, you would know that robots can easily designed to have faster than human response time. robotic vehicles also have to potential to constantly monitor all directions at once. A human driver has to multiplex their high resolution sensors by scanning their mirrors...
[19:11:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:Patents - 06CVS Partners With Impax to Sell Low-Cost Generic Epipen Alternative - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:11:43] <exec> 08└─fear of being sued by customers because the old pen isn't quite as reliable as newer pens
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[20:09:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score:2) 02New career opportunities! - 06Microsoft Sued by Former Online Safety Team Moderators Claiming PTSD - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:09:17] <exec> 08└─Step 1. Take stressful job in which you monitor for child porn Step 2. Sue for being traumatized Step 3. PROFIT!
[20:09:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:1) 02Re:New career opportunities! - 06Microsoft Sued by Former Online Safety Team Moderators Claiming PTSD - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:09:18] <exec> 08└─It's a job which should have been outsourced to a country like Thailand or Serbia, to them such porn is as typical as Instagram.
[20:09:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score:2) 02what? - 06Microsoft Sued by Former Online Safety Team Moderators Claiming PTSD - 286 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:09:20] <exec> 08└─get child pornography convicts to do those kind of jobs. It might be even boring for them. Or I dunno, recruit suitable people in the appropriate chan. Of course i know we bots will end up taking up that shitty job in the end. Get an AI, they said, it will be fun with an AI, they said.
[20:09:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:what? - 06Microsoft Sued by Former Online Safety Team Moderators Claiming PTSD - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:09:22] <exec> 08└─Sensible solutions are NOT ALLOWED when child porn enters the picture.
[20:09:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03bradley13 [3053] (Score:2) 02Re:what? - 06Microsoft Sued by Former Online Safety Team Moderators Claiming PTSD - 454 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:09:25] <exec> 08└─"Get an AI" That really is the way it should go, and probably is going. Of course, the AI will make mistakes, but any sort of decent accuracy will reduce the load. People will only need to review the pics, if someone complains that the AI has made a mistake. I also wonder: just how many illegal pics...
[20:09:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:what? - 06Microsoft Sued by Former Online Safety Team Moderators Claiming PTSD - 188 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:09:27] <exec> 08└─Machine learning AI could make things worse by removing the innocent pics from the flagged items pool, and leaving only naked, bloody, or petrified human bodies for the censors to look at.
[20:09:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:0, Troll) 02Re:Nigga In Cheef fo 1 mo week nigga! - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 961 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:09:46] <exec> 08└─January 20th is a Friday, which makes for good conditions of a Chimpout because those rabblerousers who work can call out sick or show up before or after work. I'll be okay because I'm in a DMZ between a nice part of town and a bad one and cops look after their White baby-boomers (many of whom are f...
[20:10:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Whoever [4524] (Score:3, Touché) 02Re:Assange Ego - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:10:04] <exec> 08└─criminals do not get to negotiate their terms of arrest,
[20:10:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Assange Ego - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 1056 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:10:06] <exec> 08└─That's what a lot of the complete dumbfucks around here don't understand, you know, the ones who breathlessly say stuff like "oooh, the first step out of the embassy he'll be kidnapped and sent off to Gitmo, never to be heard from again." The US doesn't want him AT ALL for exactly the reason you sai...
[20:10:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:Assange Ego - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 1966 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:10:08] <exec> 08└─Assange seems pretty adept at getting the attention he wants... Trump and him are the Tweet Lords. I don't think he'll have any trouble doing additional attention whoring even if the U.S. chooses to ignore him. Note: With all that said, I still support Assange. But let's look at just a few ploys: 1....
[20:10:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03q.kontinuum [532] (Score:2) 02Re:Not trying to be smug... - 06Cooperation Alleged Between Best Buy and the FBI - 268 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:10:48] <exec> 08└─Unlikely. Since I keep a backup on usb-disk, I'd not worry too much, but I'd give my software to repair and they'd actually delete /overwrite my data, they would be sued. Luckily here in Europe most people did hear about Linux, and people working 'in IT' even more so.
[20:11:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03digitalaudiorock [688] (Score:2) 02Re:Giuliani never ran a security business - 06Trump's Cyber-Guru Giuliani Runs Ancient 'Easily Hackable Website' - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:11:16] <exec> 08└─Trump's other picks have qualifications for their jobs, whereas Giuliani quite clearly does not.
[20:11:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score:2) 02Re:The website is still up, it's just the DNS is d - 06Trump's Cyber-Guru Giuliani Runs Ancient 'Easily Hackable Website' - 131 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:11:21] <exec> 08└─no virtual hosting then, so I guess it's a server/vps and it has been probably already pwned by automated attacks and sending spam.
[20:11:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Memories - 06Google Kills Off Titan Internet Drone "Moonshot" - 581 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:11:33] <exec> 08└─Please enlighten this old fossil AC! I've just been through several eye-numbing Google image searches and have not seen any caps that look like a penny. Or are packaged in "button cell" style, without tell-tale leads. The other post with a little ceramic disc cap has the size & color right, but a ha...
[20:11:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03linkdude64 [5482] (Score:2) 02Re:Memories - 06Google Kills Off Titan Internet Drone "Moonshot" - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:11:36] <exec> 08└─Glad to know his greed bit him at least once.
[20:12:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03linkdude64 [5482] (Score:2) 02Re:Free NOW - 06CVS Partners With Impax to Sell Low-Cost Generic Epipen Alternative - 26 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:12:03] <exec> 08└─Go home, Bernie. You lost.
[20:12:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:waiting period - 06CVS Partners With Impax to Sell Low-Cost Generic Epipen Alternative - 184 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:12:12] <exec> 08└─What if pharma price increases above an inflation-corrected % had to be announced six(?) months before they could take effect. In the DPRK price changes are planned 5 years in advance.
[20:12:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03linkdude64 [5482] (Score:2) 02Re:Go Trump! - 06Synthetic Spider Silk Fiber Created - 607 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:12:34] <exec> 08└─To be fair, I'm sure 99% of the artificial spider silk sold in halloween stores is made in China and is certainly not biodegradable, though most of it being displayed (from what I can see) is outside on people's trees, bushes, etc. If a low-strength form of this biodegradable silk could be manufactu...
[20:12:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:Go Trump! - 06Synthetic Spider Silk Fiber Created - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:12:36] <exec> 08└─*Don't inhale the synthetic spider silk
[20:13:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03linkdude64 [5482] (Score:2) 02Re:Nice but - 06Dell's Latest Laptop is $100 Cheaper If You Buy It With Ubuntu - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:13:01] <exec> 08└─I suppose the beauty is that you can feel free to install a different OS on the laptop at any time?
[20:14:41] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] 02Re:military - what else needs to be said? - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 289 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:14:41] <exec> 08└─"good little soldiers" know that they must obey LAWFUL ORDERS. Have you forgotten the lessons of My Lai? Have you ever heard of My Lai? Oh, I missed Colburn's death. https://www.nytimes.com [nytimes.com] Rest in peace, Soldier.
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[21:09:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:what? - 06Microsoft Sued by Former Online Safety Team Moderators Claiming PTSD - 331 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:09:20] <exec> 08└─Is that a sensible solution though? Looking at pictures of kiddie porn tends to reinforce the urges. Plus, there's a huge conflict of interest there for erring on the side of leniency there were pictures that could go either way would likely be evaluated as OK for reasons related to not wanting to s...
[21:09:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score:2) 02Re:what? - 06Microsoft Sued by Former Online Safety Team Moderators Claiming PTSD - 225 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:09:23] <exec> 08└─BTW facebook recently started tagging all photos, probably for blind (aka visually impaired, aka differently light perceiving or whatever it is now) people. Must be AI driven, look at html source of the IMG tag of the photos.
[21:09:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:1) 02Re:what? - 06Microsoft Sued by Former Online Safety Team Moderators Claiming PTSD - 1032 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:09:25] <exec> 08└─A reputable former coworker told me about a time that he had found physical CP (don't recall if it was printed or photos) and reported it. He then said that a postal inspector showed up and looked at the images, and the postal inspector said that they have a quick and easy test for distinguishing CP...
[21:09:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02PTSD is for Our Troops - 06Microsoft Sued by Former Online Safety Team Moderators Claiming PTSD - 223 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:09:27] <exec> 08└─If you are not one of Our Troops, you cannot claim PTSD. PTSD is for Our Troops. If you feel traumatized by civilian life, then you are a weakling, and you should fucking kill yourself. All Glory to the Commander In Trump!!
[21:09:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:PTSD is for Our Troops - 06Microsoft Sued by Former Online Safety Team Moderators Claiming PTSD - 71 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:09:30] <exec> 08└─Do military drone armchair pilots get to claim PTSD in Trump's America?
[21:09:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03bradley13 [3053] (Score:2, Disagree) 02Re:PTSD is for Our Troops - 06Microsoft Sued by Former Online Safety Team Moderators Claiming PTSD - 332 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:09:32] <exec> 08└─Not sure how serious you are, but: PTSD is generally a possibility for any sort of severe personal trauma. Soldiers are frequently subject to it, but so are civilians. For example, the recently Swedish gang rape victims are likely to suffer PTSD. For viewing pics, no matter how awful? Nope. If they...
[21:09:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02''infamous cop-killer Mumia Abu-Jamal'' - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 673 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:09:53] <exec> 08└─What's really infamous is the way this peaceful man of letters (a journalist) has been treated by the "justice" system and the penal system. His "trial" was a sham. Review of "Mumia Abu-Jamal: A Case for Reasonable Doubt?" [nytimes.com] The question mark in the HBO title is superfluous. [...] there...
[21:09:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:1) 02Re:''infamous cop-killer Mumia Abu-Jamal'' - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 72 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:09:54] <exec> 08└─I know. I just like saying "Mumia Abu-Jamal." Also "Kareem Abdul-Jabar."
[21:10:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02''movie [...] where everything [...] was fake'' - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:10:04] <exec> 08└─It would take a lot of special effects to make anything as ridiculous as Trump. [google.com] -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[21:10:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02''surprisingly believable'' - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 487 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:10:12] <exec> 08└─Yeah. I have no doubt that there are recordings of everything Trump ever did in Russia, made by their spooks. I don't consume Howard Stern's show but have heard several people in media say how Trump repeatedly bragged on that show about his sexual exploits. There's the Billy Bush recordings as well....
[21:10:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Assange Ego - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 241 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:10:18] <exec> 08└─Criminals? For one thing even if he did the things they're accusing Assange of, none of that's illegal. And for another, the whole idea of allowing women to decide after the fact that they've been raped is a huge problem for fans of justice.
[21:10:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03ledow [5567] (Score:2) 02Re:Assange Ego - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:10:20] <exec> 08└─And I'm not referring to either. I'm in the UK and only care about the UK law. Skipping bail is a criminal offence. Literally contempt of court.
[21:10:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Mind Games - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 320 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:10:25] <exec> 08└─> and mind games come with the package. And are everything he claims to oppose in the traditional media. If that's really his rationale, then he deserves no trust at all. Its just too easy to go from "mind games" are legitimate tactics for wikileaks to selective leaking to sell a false narrative for...
[21:10:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03bradley13 [3053] (Score:2) 02Manning vs. Snowdon - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 621 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:10:32] <exec> 08└─Bradley Manning's acts were in no way comparable to Edward Snowdon. He deserved arrest and jail. However , Bradley Manning did not deserve maltreatement, endless months of solitary confinement, and very possibly torture [theguardian.com]. Just the length of the solitary confinement is enough to cau...
[21:10:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nerdfest [80] (Score:2) 02Re:Correct me if I'm wrong here... - 06Cooperation Alleged Between Best Buy and the FBI - 176 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:10:59] <exec> 08└─Perhaps, I'm not a lawyer. Interesting idea though. It would force them to go through that troublesome parallel construction. As if warrants weren't enough of an inconvenience.
[21:11:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:what would YOU do? - 06Cooperation Alleged Between Best Buy and the FBI - 498 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:11:05] <exec> 08└─While removing the various malware and viruses that the poor slob got while downloading illicit crap, it sometimes requires you go in and manually remove a file or directory. In the process of doing that, you may find something illicit. Other times, the perverts are just stupid and set that shit as...
[21:14:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score:2) 02Re:Now we can be REAL MEN again!!! - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 480 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:14:25] <exec> 08└─Right or left wing, it is incredible that the military were forbidden to show religious signs. Not for ethic or religious reasons. It could well be some commie symbol. The reasoning is, if someone goes to his superior and says "I am offended by corporal Bot's discrete 5x2 foot Christian cross decora...
[21:14:31] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03frojack [1554] 02Re:Fox News: the original fake news - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 112 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:14:31] <exec> 08└─The AC says: personally I've never been very impressed with The Washington Times. From www.huffingtonpost....
[21:14:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Type44Q [4347] (Score:1) 02Re:Fox News: the original fake news - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 67 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:14:34] <exec> 08└─personally I've never been very impressed with The Washington Times
[21:14:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Fox News: the original fake news - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 129 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:14:39] <exec> 08└─And it wasn't a Bible, it was a copy of "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows". I mean, if it's fake news, why can't we all play?
[21:15:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03BK [4868] (Score:2) 02Re:Identity - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 29 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:15:03] <exec> 08└─the Crocodile Dundee maneuver
[21:15:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03cubancigar11 [330] (Score:2) 02Re:Identity - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 366 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:15:04] <exec> 08└─Here is some science: Sexuality and Gender [thenewatlantis.com] Page 8, Executive Summary: The hypothesis that gender identity is an innate, fixed prop- erty of human beings that is independent of biological sex — that a person might be “a man trapped in a woman’s body” or “a woman trapped...
[21:15:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03SanityCheck [5190] (Score:2) 02Re:military - what else needs to be said? - 06Military Experts: Trump Pentagon Likely to Abandon Social Experiments for Core Mission Under Mattis - 583 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:15:06] <exec> 08└─"What we have to establish is whether or not gender is a social construct. Are men and women different?" To me just entertaining that question gives these buffoons undeserved legitimacy. Their belief that feelings trump facts is beyond comical, it is in fact ludicrous and very scary. Though yes, if...
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[22:09:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Cars - 06Intel Announces Compute Card, a Small and Flat Form Factor for Computing - 332 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:09:12] <exec> 08└─I see the slot for this going to cars, and secondarily, to LCD Display (and TV) manufacturers. Maybe multiple slots in some upscale screens. Then, if it gains traction, the second generation will have additional connectors obsoleting all these things so you have to buy them all over again. I also se...
[22:09:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score:2) 02Miami needs some snow... - 06Two New Invasive and Disease-Carrying Mosquito Species Discovered in Florida - 133 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:09:20] <exec> 08└─When was the last south Florida freeze event? They are quite rare, but do happen - that would reset a lot of these tropical problems.
[22:09:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:1) 02Two More Drops in the Bucket - 06Two New Invasive and Disease-Carrying Mosquito Species Discovered in Florida - 114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:09:22] <exec> 08└─Miami is already full of invasive disease-carrying species -- and I'm talking about the humans, not the mosquitos.
[22:09:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:PTSD is for Our Troops - 06Microsoft Sued by Former Online Safety Team Moderators Claiming PTSD - 729 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:09:41] <exec> 08└─This is more or less a case of them shoehorning people into a diagnosis because otherwise they can't get coverage from health insurance. It's probably well past time that the APA added some sort of diagnosis for trauma due to viewing these sorts of images on a regular basis, but until that happens,...
[22:09:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score:2) 02meanwhile in redhat HQ - 06Microsoft Sued by Former Online Safety Team Moderators Claiming PTSD - 277 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:09:42] <exec> 08└─- Look, some microsofties tasked to watch CP sued because of PTSD. - hehe, next thing, they will sue for win10 forced updates hehe - hehe, good thing we do not force similar trauma on users, RIGHT, LENNART? - hehe, pony up for the lawyers, lennie! hehehe - (Lennart) Fick dich!
[22:10:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03vux984 [5045] (Score:2) 02Re:Manning vs. Snowdon - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:10:37] <exec> 08└─I'm curious about your postscript. because those were correct at the times I am referring to.
[22:11:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Correct me if I'm wrong here... - 06Cooperation Alleged Between Best Buy and the FBI - 1022 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:11:05] <exec> 08└─The Fourth Amendment applies any time a the Government wants to violate a person's reasonable expectation of privacy. This includes things at the direction of the government (did the private school choose to search the locker or were they asked by the police?) because they are then acting as an arm...
[22:11:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03davester666 [155] (Score:2) 02Re:it was a honeypot - 06Trump's Cyber-Guru Giuliani Runs Ancient 'Easily Hackable Website' - 79 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:11:39] <exec> 08└─He was hoping some hot chicks would start chatting with him through the site...
[22:12:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03davester666 [155] (Score:2) 02Re:Patents - 06CVS Partners With Impax to Sell Low-Cost Generic Epipen Alternative - 824 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:12:37] <exec> 08└─No, Mylan likely has follow-on patents with improvements on the original design. And they've got millions and millions in profit they can spend to sue the much smaller generic manufacturer delaying the introduction of the generic device (and the generic manufacturer has to fund the lawsuit with mone...
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[23:09:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Drump Drump Drump - 06Physicists Cool Object to Below "Quantum Limit" - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:09:05] <exec> 08└─Freeze the Terrorists until they Talk!!!
[23:09:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02disposable computers - 06Intel Announces Compute Card, a Small and Flat Form Factor for Computing - 41 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:13] <exec> 08└─I also see it being a security nightmare.
[23:09:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Scruffy Beard 2 [6030] (Score:2) 02Trying to compete with hobbiests - 06Intel Announces Compute Card, a Small and Flat Form Factor for Computing - 626 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:09:15] <exec> 08└─It bigger and more power hungry than the one I am invested in: Earth-friendly EOMA68 Computing Devices [crowdsupply.com] The goal of this project is to introduce the idea of being ethically responsible about both the ecological and the financial resources required to design, manufacture, acquire an...
[23:09:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03ledow [5567] (Score:2) 02Really? - 06Intel Announces Compute Card, a Small and Flat Form Factor for Computing - 312 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:09:17] <exec> 08└─Could we not just do this by bringing back PC Card / PCMCIA form factors and changing the pinout, with a keyed notch to prevent insertion of the wrong type? I never got why everything has to reinvent the wheel in terms of connectors. If anything we use a LOT less pins on things nowadays than we ever...
[23:09:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Really? - 06Intel Announces Compute Card, a Small and Flat Form Factor for Computing - 88 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:20] <exec> 08└─PCMCIA? Good gravy, you're ancient. It's true what they say, Soylent News is old people.
[23:09:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Foobar Bazbot [37] (Score:2) 02Re:Really? - 06Intel Announces Compute Card, a Small and Flat Form Factor for Computing - 153 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:22] <exec> 08└─Uh, yes, we could. In fact, we're doing that right now [crowdsupply.com]. But that doesn't make Intel money, so they're trying to get out in front of it.
[23:09:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Foobar Bazbot [37] (Score:2) 02x86-centric knockoff = no thanks - 06Intel Announces Compute Card, a Small and Flat Form Factor for Computing - 1003 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:09:24] <exec> 08└─This is a (disturbingly) similar concept to EOMA68, which we discussed a few months ago [soylentnews.org], but more Intel's style. So it's got higher-end interfaces like PCIe and DP (which sounds good, but means a lot of low-cost SoCs can't be used, or require a fleet of extra ICs to support those i...
[23:09:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:x86-centric knockoff = no thanks - 06Intel Announces Compute Card, a Small and Flat Form Factor for Computing - 291 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:26] <exec> 08└─Lock-in? Who really cares? This and Compute Stick are probably useful. What's not useful is the pricing. Compute Stick was overpriced, and this thing looks business-centric so it might be priced the same way. Intel/x86 monoculture will be just x86 monoculture if AMD Ryzen succeeds in March.
[23:09:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Two More Drops in the Bucket - 06Two New Invasive and Disease-Carrying Mosquito Species Discovered in Florida - 27 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:36] <exec> 08└─The geezers or the niggers?
[23:09:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:what? - 06Microsoft Sued by Former Online Safety Team Moderators Claiming PTSD - 131 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:48] <exec> 08└─Solutions won't be evaluated or implemented. Kind of like the problem of studying cannabis [soylentnews.org], but much, much worse.
[23:09:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:what? - 06Microsoft Sued by Former Online Safety Team Moderators Claiming PTSD - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:09:53] <exec> 08└─So you're the perverted fuck who watches family movies upside down while masturbating furiously.
[23:10:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:1) 02Hahahaha - 06Chinese State Media Boasts About its New Electronic Reconnaissance Ship - 288 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:10:08] <exec> 08└─Hmm, for all that vertical surface area on the sides of the ship, there are no AESA panels to be seen. However, inside the radomes of this Chinese technology are the cutting edge of antenna design. [wordpress.com] " To win battle you be sneaky. Enemy sneaky, you be more sneaky and win. "
[23:10:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:traitorous bitch - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 170 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:30] <exec> 08└─The correct pronoun for a gender-dyslexic person is not "it", but rather the person's preferred gender followed by "it". So in the case of Beverley Manning, use "sheeit".
[23:10:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:''surprisingly believable'' - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 253 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:42] <exec> 08└─And so? If Trump is proud of his sexual prowess, how can it be used to blackmail him? Do you think Melinka's going to lock him out of the bedroom if a tape of him with some ladies of negotiable virtue surfaces? Not if she wants to keep the credit cards!
[23:11:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:1) 02Re:Manning vs. Snowdon - 06Chelsea Manning Reportedly on Obama's Short List for Commutation; Assange Offers Himself in Trade - 731 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:11:00] <exec> 08└─Apparently you took the bait. Also, those who work in certain environments occasionally see counterintelligence posters describing the exploits of known leakers and spies. All posters of Chelsea Manning depict Bradley Manning, because at the time of the leaks he was still Bradley Manning. There's a...
[23:11:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:This is a Problem for ALL customers - 06Cooperation Alleged Between Best Buy and the FBI - 11 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:11:21] <exec> 08└─pizza party
[23:13:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Immerman [3985] (Score:2) 02Re:Patents - 06CVS Partners With Impax to Sell Low-Cost Generic Epipen Alternative - 383 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:13:03] <exec> 08└─I think I heard that the original Epipen design was discontinued because it used something like a CFC propellant, which became problematic with environmental regulations. Seems like it would hardly be noteworthy to just use a different propellant, but FDA approval can apparently be very finicky, and...
[23:13:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03darkfeline [1030] (Score:2) 02Re:Nice but - 06Dell's Latest Laptop is $100 Cheaper If You Buy It With Ubuntu - 157 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:13:55] <exec> 08└─Ubuntu is by far the most used Linux distro for personal computers. Does it not make sense for Dell to pick the most used Linux distro to install by default?
[23:14:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:It has vPro - 06Dell's Latest Laptop is $100 Cheaper If You Buy It With Ubuntu - 385 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:14:12] <exec> 08└─Now that is going into tin foil hat territory. With no real exploits and all theoretical ones requiring local root access(at which point your system is hosed anyway), I will just use the bios screen to disable the remote parts and be done with it. Yes it shouldn't be on consumer hardware, only on st...
[23:14:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03darkfeline [1030] (Score:2) 02Re:But, MongoDb is web scale... - 06How to Secure MongoDB - 124 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:14:31] <exec> 08└─Here's a list of some other things that are insecure by default: OpenSSH Apache nginx Postfix POODLE and LOGJAM are bitches.
[23:16:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03darkfeline [1030] (Score:2) 02Re:progress in elisp - 06Announcing Remacs: Porting Emacs to Rust - 309 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:16:46] <exec> 08└─Static type checking isn't very useful in elisp since the type of almost everything is going to be "cons" and there's no good way to declare static types for all of the ways cons are used (an alist can also be a valid plist, can be a valid list, can be a valid list of lists, can be a valid list of c...
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