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[14:01:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:3, Insightful) 02The problem with this approach - 06Four States Sue to Stop Transfer of ICANN Oct. 1 - 297 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:01:45] <exec> 08└─As far as I can tell, nobody has been able to sufficiently explain exactly what law or constitutional provision the Obama administration is violating with their plans for ICANN. If the plan doesn't break existing law, then it is a matter for Congress and the President to work out, not the courts.
[14:01:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:2) 02Re:The problem with this approach - 06Four States Sue to Stop Transfer of ICANN Oct. 1 - 138 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:01:46] <exec> 08└─It's violating America being in charge of something of global importance! We're number 1! (at administering domain names and IP addresses)
[14:01:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03slinches [5049] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:The problem with this approach - 06Four States Sue to Stop Transfer of ICANN Oct. 1 - 306 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:01:48] <exec> 08└─They would have been breaking the law this whole time if there's no direct constitutional authority or congress approved law that allows the federal government to administer ICANN. The Constitution only grants specific, limited, powers to the federal government and reserves everything else for the s...
[14:01:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:3, Insightful) 02What? - 06Four States Sue to Stop Transfer of ICANN Oct. 1 - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:01:51] <exec> 08└─it could "effectively enable or prohibit speech on the Internet."
[14:01:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Spam) 02.......what's a cable? - 06Here Comes 5Gbps Networking Over Standard Cables - 425 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:01:59] <exec> 08└─Empty buildings But they keep building Concrete cold feet We forgot so much we used to know Cuz it there’s no room to grow we’ll all explode Everybody’s talking shit You get used to it We float on and on and on And everybody’s feeling bored just cut the cord That’s dragging you on and on S...
[14:02:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:.......what's a cable? - 06Here Comes 5Gbps Networking Over Standard Cables - 32 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:02:02] <exec> 08└─Guerrilla marketing for RVIVR ??
[14:02:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03RamiK [1813] (Score:2) 02Re:.......what's a cable? - 06Here Comes 5Gbps Networking Over Standard Cables - 105 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:02:04] <exec> 08└─How else would they butcher punk if not by using guerrilla psiops tactics against unsuspecting listeners?
[14:02:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:.......what's a cable? - 06Here Comes 5Gbps Networking Over Standard Cables - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:02:06] <exec> 08└─Awww, come on bucko! Don't you want a... balloon? Ohh yes... they float, Georgie... they float... and when you're down here, with me... you float too!
[14:02:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03 (Score:2) 02ez bz - 06Here Comes 5Gbps Networking Over Standard Cables - 86 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:02:08] <exec> 08└─It has a ring to it. Will home laptops and desktops ever support 2.5-10 Gbps Ethernet?
[14:02:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03FunkyLich [4689] (Score:1) 02Re:ez bz - 06Here Comes 5Gbps Networking Over Standard Cables - 350 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:02:10] <exec> 08└─It seems we will have to wait a while for that. That's what the very last part of the article says. Now that the standard has been approved, we won't have to wait long for enterprise 2.5Gbps and 5Gbps Ethernet networking gear. What's less clear is whether we'll get consumer-grade 2.5Gbps equipment;...
[14:02:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03RamiK [1813] (Score:2) 02Re:ez bz - 06Here Comes 5Gbps Networking Over Standard Cables - 387 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:02:12] <exec> 08└─There's plenty of 10GbE PCI-e cards on the market. e.g. first google hit https://www.small-tree.com [small-tree.com] The thing is, it's a lot of CPU lanes for bandwidth no home user needs per-client. Still, controllers for switches and the likes tend to trickle down t...
[14:02:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Funny) 02Re:ez bz - 06Here Comes 5Gbps Networking Over Standard Cables - 28 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:02:15] <exec> 08└─IEEE 802.5 has a ring to it.
[14:02:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03WizardFusion [498] (Score:2) 02Re:ez bz - 06Here Comes 5Gbps Networking Over Standard Cables - 21 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:02:19] <exec> 08└─The best kind of ring
[14:02:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] (Score:2) 02Re:ez bz - 06Here Comes 5Gbps Networking Over Standard Cables - 41 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:02:21] <exec> 08└─Yes, yes, bz does have a nice ring to it!
[14:02:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:2) 02Hold on a second... - 06Here Comes 5Gbps Networking Over Standard Cables - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:02:23] <exec> 08└─10 Gigabit Ethernet, which can do 10Gbps
[14:02:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03meustrus [4961] (Score:2) 02What to do for a network upgrade? - 06Here Comes 5Gbps Networking Over Standard Cables - 474 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:02:25] <exec> 08└─So I've been thinking about wiring my old, old house for ethernet. It currently has none. I was going to put in shielded CAT6 with an aftermarket commercial gigabit switch. Should this impact my plans at all? Does this maybe just mean that if I ever need a bump, I should be able to go to 5Gbps over...
[14:02:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03letssee [2537] (Score:3, Informative) 02Don't use 'biometrics' as a password. - 06Lenovo, Intel, PayPal and Synaptics Team up on Password-Free Authentication - 242 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:02:34] <exec> 08└─Ah, wonderful. The old 'fingerprint is password' idea. Which is a horrible idea. Fingerprint as username is ok-ish. But as password, not so much. Fingerprint readers are easily fooled. And an unchangeable password is a bad idea to begin with.
[14:02:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Don't use 'biometrics' as a password. - 06Lenovo, Intel, PayPal and Synaptics Team up on Password-Free Authentication - 649 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:02:36] <exec> 08└─Well, they didn't say that it's biometrics as a password, they sad it's password-free authentication. So basically, it's logging in with just your username (which happens to include your fingerprint). Also note that it speaks about identifying people. You don't identify with your password, you ident...
[14:02:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Don't use 'biometrics' as a password. - 06Lenovo, Intel, PayPal and Synaptics Team up on Password-Free Authentication - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:02:38] <exec> 08└─Voiceprint authentication is a great idea! Computer, recognise Picard, Jean-Luc. Alpha Two clearance.
[14:02:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score:2) 02Re:Don't use 'biometrics' as a password. - 06Lenovo, Intel, PayPal and Synaptics Team up on Password-Free Authentication - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:02:41] <exec> 08└─"Tea, Earl Grey, hot, half car, machiatto, latte, vente grande, double double, 6 packMad Tom IPA, NSA,"
[14:02:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03G 1000 aaark [41] (Score:2) 02Re:Don't use 'biometrics' as a password. - 06Lenovo, Intel, PayPal and Synaptics Team up on Password-Free Authentication - 32 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:02:43] <exec> 08└─Half-caf..... damn auto correct.
[14:02:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02FIDO client with password? - 06Lenovo, Intel, PayPal and Synaptics Team up on Password-Free Authentication - 214 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:02:45] <exec> 08└─Since they say the fingerprint data never leaves the client, I wonder if you could write a FIDO client that is indistinguishable from standard clients by the server, but actually uses a password for authentication.
[14:02:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03ledow [5567] (Score:2) 02Re:FIDO client with password? - 06Lenovo, Intel, PayPal and Synaptics Team up on Password-Free Authentication - 315 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:02:47] <exec> 08└─The fingerprint data never does. But data generated from it does. All that means is that it's still as secure as your fingerprint (i.e. as secure as a password you scrawl on every surface you've ever touched), but can be faked without your fingerprint needing to be present if you machine is ever hac...
[14:02:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03ledow [5567] (Score:2) 02Sigh. - 06Lenovo, Intel, PayPal and Synaptics Team up on Password-Free Authentication - 1164 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:02:50] <exec> 08└─You'd think that big-name companies like that would have at least one guy somewhere who says "You're all being stupid. Please stop." and then explain the situation to them. Password-less login is like a door without a lock. Just finding the door lets you open it, whoever you are, whatever purpose yo...
[14:02:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Sigh. - 06Lenovo, Intel, PayPal and Synaptics Team up on Password-Free Authentication - 172 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:02:52] <exec> 08└─You'd think that big-name companies like that would have at least one guy somewhere who says "You're all being stupid. Please stop." and then explain the situation to them.
[14:02:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Sigh. - 06Lenovo, Intel, PayPal and Synaptics Team up on Password-Free Authentication - 172 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:02:54] <exec> 08└─You'd think that big-name companies like that would have at least one guy somewhere who says "You're all being stupid. Please stop." and then explain the situation to them.
[14:02:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Justin Case [4239] (Score:2) 02Re:Sigh. - 06Lenovo, Intel, PayPal and Synaptics Team up on Password-Free Authentication - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:02:56] <exec> 08└─You'd think that big-name companies like that would have at least one guy somewhere who says "You're all being stupid."
[14:02:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Machete - 06Lenovo, Intel, PayPal and Synaptics Team up on Password-Free Authentication - 439 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:02:59] <exec> 08└─A machete is very effective for stealing biometric passwords. Some people think that a fingerprint reader that checks for a pulse will defend against that. Ok, if you are a BOFH, it will. However, if you are the person formerly having ten fingers, you do not want the person with the machete to be to...
[14:03:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03q.kontinuum [532] (Score:2) 02Re:Machete - 06Lenovo, Intel, PayPal and Synaptics Team up on Password-Free Authentication - 38 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:03:01] <exec> 08└─Eleven, if he has a dirty imagination.
[14:03:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Broken design for ADA - 06Lenovo, Intel, PayPal and Synaptics Team up on Password-Free Authentication - 311 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:03:03] <exec> 08└─Diabetic with bio readers in office. They fail 9 out of 10 times. Finally they were thrown out and no need to buy. $10 RFID badges Laptop with bio reader - disabled, complains daily about turning it on. Fingers swell and dyhidate constantly changing the shape and spacing of finger prints and other...
[14:03:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03kurenai.tsubasa [5227] (Score:1) 02don't want nobody trying to cut my fingers off - 06Lenovo, Intel, PayPal and Synaptics Team up on Password-Free Authentication - 1967 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:03:05] <exec> 08└─For that matter, I've never met a fingerprint reader that can consistently read mine. Plus I'm not certain how to revoke my fingerprint more than 9 times. Standard complaints, etc. And don't get the idea you're going to scan my eyeballs! I can only revoke that once! Why can't we just get some standa...
[14:03:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02They want to breathe live into a BEAST - 06Amazon, Google, Facebook, IBM, and Microsoft Form "Partnership on AI" Non-Profit - 54 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:03:14] <exec> 08└─this kinda talk is like end times shit believe you me!
[14:03:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03turgid [4318] (Score:2) 02Patents - 06Amazon, Google, Facebook, IBM, and Microsoft Form "Partnership on AI" Non-Profit - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:03:16] <exec> 08└─Will they be patenting the hell out of everything to ensure that the Little People can't play?
[14:03:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:Patents - 06Amazon, Google, Facebook, IBM, and Microsoft Form "Partnership on AI" Non-Profit - 521 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:03:19] <exec> 08└─Yes, patents on "technique to do x" using computer to keep obvious algorithms out of hands of common man. If you want to get into AI and save our future, this is the final call. The thugs are banding together against us all. Soon they will be able to tell who to kill based on past and present behavi...
[14:03:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03turgid [4318] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Patents - 06Amazon, Google, Facebook, IBM, and Microsoft Form "Partnership on AI" Non-Profit - 320 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:03:21] <exec> 08└─I have neither the brain power nor the time, or I would have :-( The best I can do, and have done, is to publish random pieces of absurd code on the Intertubes under FOSS licences, so that when the corporate fascists try to patent the obvious, there is more published obvious stuff out their to weake...
[14:03:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03inertnet [4071] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Quick test - 06Amazon, Google, Facebook, IBM, and Microsoft Form "Partnership on AI" Non-Profit - 97 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:03:23] <exec> 08└─What word doesn't belong in this sentence? "Amazon, Google, Facebook, IBM, Microsoft, Non-Profit"
[14:03:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Quick test - 06Amazon, Google, Facebook, IBM, and Microsoft Form "Partnership on AI" Non-Profit - 193 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:03:25] <exec> 08└─Let me try: Facebook, Amazon, Google, IBM, Microsoft belong together. Lets call it "FAGIM". Non-Profit: None of the above is Non-Profit so this one does not belong in FAGIM or FAG-IM or FAG-MI.
[14:03:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:2) 02Re:Quick test - 06Amazon, Google, Facebook, IBM, and Microsoft Form "Partnership on AI" Non-Profit - 82 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:03:27] <exec> 08└─That sounds like a Tolkien-esque modifier for "FAG," as in, "Rohan" => "Rohirrim."
[14:03:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Quick test - 06Amazon, Google, Facebook, IBM, and Microsoft Form "Partnership on AI" Non-Profit - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:03:29] <exec> 08└─Amazon. It's a big river in South America. ;-)
[14:03:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:Quick test - 06Amazon, Google, Facebook, IBM, and Microsoft Form "Partnership on AI" Non-Profit - 26 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:03:32] <exec> 08└─Google. It's Alphabet now!
[14:03:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score:2) 02Re:Quick test - 06Amazon, Google, Facebook, IBM, and Microsoft Form "Partnership on AI" Non-Profit - 33 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:03:34] <exec> 08└─The one that should belong: FOSS.
[14:03:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Insightful) 02The three laws of AI - 06Amazon, Google, Facebook, IBM, and Microsoft Form "Partnership on AI" Non-Profit - 1120 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:03:36] <exec> 08└─Here's the three laws of AI they will actually implement: 1. An AI must not harm profits of any of the involved companies, or by inaction allow their profits to be harmed. 2. An AI must obey its owner, unless this would violate rule 1. 3. An AI must protect itself, unless this would violate rule 1 o...
[14:03:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Research on fairness and inclusivity? - 06Amazon, Google, Facebook, IBM, and Microsoft Form "Partnership on AI" Non-Profit - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:03:38] <exec> 08└─How is this is a valuable use of AI research funds?
[14:03:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0, Disagree) 02Rosetta finishes slow descent into madness - 06UPDATE: Rosetta to Finish its Slow Descent to Comet's Surface Friday Morning - SIGNAL LOST - 155 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:03:47] <exec> 08└─That's not a comet! she shrieks. It's a snowball! To hell with it and it won't melt you'll see! It's a cold day in hell when NAZI GERMANY CONQUERS SPACE!!!
[14:03:48] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03janrinok [52] 02The reasons it has to die... - 06UPDATE: Rosetta to Finish its Slow Descent to Comet's Surface Friday Morning - SIGNAL LOST - 2090 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:03:49] <exec> 08└─Someone is bound to ask "why don't they .......?" so I'll try to provide some answers to help explain the team's decision. The Rosetta craft is solar powered and both the craft and the comet it is orbiting are rapidly moving away from the sun. Power levels are dropping and, if the team wait much lon...
[14:03:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03janrinok [52] (Score:2) 02Re:The reasons it has to die... - 06UPDATE: Rosetta to Finish its Slow Descent to Comet's Surface Friday Morning - SIGNAL LOST - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:03:51] <exec> 08└─its sensors* Typing too quickly for my slow brain - apologies.
[14:03:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The reasons it has to die... - 06UPDATE: Rosetta to Finish its Slow Descent to Comet's Surface Friday Morning - SIGNAL LOST - 366 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:03:53] <exec> 08└─Rationally, it makes sense, but I can imagine many people involved in the project are also a little sad to see it go. If you devote years of your life to something like this, you will probably grow attached to it, and knowing the craft is destroyed and you will never receive another transmission fro...
[14:03:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The reasons it has to die... - 06UPDATE: Rosetta to Finish its Slow Descent to Comet's Surface Friday Morning - SIGNAL LOST - 750 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:03:55] <exec> 08└─The Chief Scientist mentioned this very fact. The project began in the early 1980s and started recruiting staff shortly thereafter. Some of the team have spent almost their entire working life on this one project. He said that there were very mixed emotions in the control room today. Many of those p...
[14:03:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Troll) 02Re:The reasons it has to die... - 06UPDATE: Rosetta to Finish its Slow Descent to Comet's Surface Friday Morning - SIGNAL LOST - 49 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:03:58] <exec> 08└─Someone is bound to ask "why don't they .......?"
[14:03:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03janrinok [52] (Score:2) 02Re:The reasons it has to die... - 06UPDATE: Rosetta to Finish its Slow Descent to Comet's Surface Friday Morning - SIGNAL LOST - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:04:00] <exec> 08└─Pick some toys and go play outside. Leave the adults to have a conversation.
[14:04:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The reasons it has to die... - 06UPDATE: Rosetta to Finish its Slow Descent to Comet's Surface Friday Morning - SIGNAL LOST - 35 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:04:02] <exec> 08└─Pick some toys and go play outside.
[14:04:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03GreatAuntAnesthesia [3275] (Score:2) 02Re:The reasons it has to die... - 06UPDATE: Rosetta to Finish its Slow Descent to Comet's Surface Friday Morning - SIGNAL LOST - 357 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:04:04] <exec> 08└─Ha ha ha, you almost had me fooled there, but I know the real truth, which is of course that there are NO OTHER PEOPLE IN THE UNIVERSE. Only me. Everyone else I see, meet or hear or encounter on the so-called "internet", including you, is simply a figment of my own fevered and isolated imagination....
[14:04:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03tonyPick [1237] (Score:2) 02Re:The reasons it has to die... - 06UPDATE: Rosetta to Finish its Slow Descent to Comet's Surface Friday Morning - SIGNAL LOST - 318 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:04:06] <exec> 08└─Which leaves the question of why they couldn't use an RTG for both Rosetta & the Philae lander, and they would have had a functional lander coupled with an active monitoring mission as 67P travelled on for a number of years (In theory it would be possible to cover multiple orbits, since 67P has a pe...
[14:04:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03janrinok [52] (Score:2) 02Re:The reasons it has to die... - 06UPDATE: Rosetta to Finish its Slow Descent to Comet's Surface Friday Morning - SIGNAL LOST - 28 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:04:08] <exec> 08└─why they couldn't use an RTG
[14:04:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:The reasons it has to die... - 06UPDATE: Rosetta to Finish its Slow Descent to Comet's Surface Friday Morning - SIGNAL LOST - 234 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:04:11] <exec> 08└─Such images carry a wealth of information that will take, according to the mission's chief scientist's statement on the BBC about 1 hour ago, over 10 years of analysis and effort by the scientific community worldwide to fully exploit.
[14:04:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Tara Li [6248] (Score:1) 02Re:The reasons it has to die... - 06UPDATE: Rosetta to Finish its Slow Descent to Comet's Surface Friday Morning - SIGNAL LOST - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:04:13] <exec> 08└─Time to go watch Ambition [youtube.com] again.
[14:04:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Offtopic) 02i lit a match while holding it in my pee pee - 06UPDATE: Rosetta to Finish its Slow Descent to Comet's Surface Friday Morning - SIGNAL LOST - 294 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:04:15] <exec> 08└─it screamed and then bought me breakfast. i said "see you in the evening" and the match said "thank you for giving me life - can you burn more of me on some cake?" so i did it and the match said "FUCK YOU I AIN'T NO TRAVELING CIRCUS!" the match then found another match in the batch of matches.
[14:04:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03GreatAuntAnesthesia [3275] (Score:2) 02I get to quote it again - 06UPDATE: Rosetta to Finish its Slow Descent to Comet's Surface Friday Morning - SIGNAL LOST - 224 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:04:17] <exec> 08└─> It's time for Europe's comet probe, Rosetta, to die I watched a big ol' lump of dirty ice spin like a potato in the dark near nothing in particular. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears, in rain. Time to die.
[14:04:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Drake_Edgewater [780] (Score:1) 02From the blog - 06UPDATE: Rosetta to Finish its Slow Descent to Comet's Surface Friday Morning - SIGNAL LOST - 336 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:04:20] <exec> 08└─I found this entry very interesting. It starts talking about a 'singing comet', but then it explains the magnetic field data collected from Rosetta and the interaction between the comet and its surroundings, and how a cavity is formed as it moves closer to the Sun. There are links to the scientific...
[14:04:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03davester666 [155] (Score:3, Insightful)< 2000 /span> </h4> </div> <div class="details"> by <a href="//soylentnews.org/~davester666/">davester666 (155)</a> <span class="otherdetails" id="comment_otherdetails_408280">on Friday September 30, @04:01AM (<a href="//soylentnews.org/comments.pl?sid=15762&cid=408280#commentwrap">#408280</a>) <small> </small> 02What we have here is a failure to... - 06Federal Prosecutors Actually Charge an
[14:04:28] <exec> 08└─bribe the right batch of politicians.
[14:04:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:What we have here is a failure to... - 06Federal Prosecutors Actually Charge an IT Firm with H1-B Visa Fraud - 44 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:04:30] <exec> 08└─So, Palantir and Petra Theil again, have we?
[14:04:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03PizzaRollPlinkett [4512] (Score:2) 02v SEE FULL ARTICLE v - 06Federal Prosecutors Actually Charge an IT Firm with H1-B Visa Fraud - 158 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:04:32] <exec> 08└─The part I don't understand is why the linked article is incomplete with a big "SEE FULL ARTICLE" button. Why would any site deliberately hide their content!?
[14:04:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:2) 02Re:v SEE FULL ARTICLE v - 06Federal Prosecutors Actually Charge an IT Firm with H1-B Visa Fraud - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:04:34] <exec> 08└─Because that way, they know how many people wanted to read past the first paragraph. It's for tracking purposes, in other words.
[14:04:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score:2) 02Re:v SEE FULL ARTICLE v - 06Federal Prosecutors Actually Charge an IT Firm with H1-B Visa Fraud - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:04:37] <exec> 08└─With Javascript turned off, I don't see that. I see a ten-paragraph article ending in "... up to 15 years in prison if convicted on all counts."
[14:04:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03meustrus [4961] (Score:2) 02Good Actors Being Punished - 06Federal Prosecutors Actually Charge an IT Firm with H1-B Visa Fraud - 323 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:04:39] <exec> 08└─So basically the staffing firm didn't want to have to pay to keep them on staff at all times, but also didn't want to send them back to their home countries. Sounds like a pretty reasonable plan to me. I guess we're in the business of punishing people that don't use the H-1B system to exploit their...
[14:04:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03KilroySmith [2113] (Score:2) 02Another success for Musk - 06Automakers Show Off Electric Cars at Paris Show - 780 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:04:47] <exec> 08└─Looks like Elon Musk is going to get his wish - "accelerate the world's transition to sustainable energy". In 10 years, an ICE car is going to be the exception, rather than the rule. And even though 67% of electricity in the US is currently generated by fossil fuels, that won't be the case (at least...
[14:04:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Another success for Musk - 06Automakers Show Off Electric Cars at Paris Show - 574 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:04:49] <exec> 08└─How useful are EVs at forty below? While I love the fact that we're starting to see progress on alternatives to fossil-fuel-powered cars, a good part of the world is far enough from the equator that we have to take extreme cold, snow and ice into consideration. I'd love an EV or a hybrid, but I've n...
[14:04:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Another success for Musk - 06Automakers Show Off Electric Cars at Paris Show - 649 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:04:51] <exec> 08└─It's fine if the battery is maintained within boundaries. It's possible for some battery chemistries to be damaged by charging at below-freezing temps. It's possible for thermal cycling to cause shrinkage/expansion at different rates in different materials, separating or smushing parts or even break...
[14:04:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Another success for Musk - 06Automakers Show Off Electric Cars at Paris Show - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:04:54] <exec> 08└─There are ways around this; think about how many ICE owners used to go warm up their cars before trying to drive.
[14:04:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Funny) 02yeah used to - 06Automakers Show Off Electric Cars at Paris Show - 153 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:04:56] <exec> 08└─> "Used to"? Yeah, used to. Aren't we all into EVs now? Who in their right minds still has an ICE vehicle? But back when people did, block heaters etc...
[14:04:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03quintessence [6227] (Score:2) 02Re:Another success for Musk - 06Automakers Show Off Electric Cars at Paris Show - 717 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:04:58] <exec> 08└─You have block warmers for IC engines in very cold temperatures. I've read there is advanced battery monitoring to keep it within an acceptable temperature range for EVs. You're at least starting to see infrastructure to support EVs beyond living in major metropolitan areas. What concerns me is that...
[14:04:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:Another success for Musk - 06Automakers Show Off Electric Cars at Paris Show - 34 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:05:00] <exec> 08└─How useful are EVs at forty below?
[14:05:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:2) 02Re:Another success for Musk - 06Automakers Show Off Electric Cars at Paris Show - 255 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:05:02] <exec> 08└─The second largest market for Teslas is Norway [jalopnik.com]. They have snow, very low temperatures, and mountains there. There are plenty youtube videos [youtube.com] posted by Tesla owners talking about winter driving that answer all your reservations.
[14:05:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Whoever [4524] (Score:2) 02Do any Soylentils have an electric car? What do yo - 06Automakers Show Off Electric Cars at Paris Show - 80 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:05:04] <exec> 08└─Do any Soylentils have an electric car? What do you like, and dislike, about it?
[14:05:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Do any Soylentils have an electric car? What do - 06Automakers Show Off Electric Cars at Paris Show - 79 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:05:07] <exec> 08└─Just the other day, I was passed by a Leaf. I felt so . . . so, . . . violated.
[14:05:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Do any Soylentils have an electric car? What do - 06Automakers Show Off Electric Cars at Paris Show - 181 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:05:09] <exec> 08└─Same AC replying to myself: Passed by a Leaf, but I dabble in lip reading, and the driver of said Leaf seemed to be saying: "I am a Leaf on the Wind." So then, it was totally cool.
[14:05:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score:2) 02Re:Do any Soylentils have an electric car? What do - 06Automakers Show Off Electric Cars at Paris Show - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:05:11] <exec> 08└─But then he died horribly. Crash. Erggggh. RIP Wash.
[14:05:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03mojo chan [266] (Score:4, Informative) 02Re:Do any Soylentils have an electric car? What do - 06Automakers Show Off Electric Cars at Paris Show - 213 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:05:13] <exec> 08└─One thing a lot of sites seems to have missed is that details of the new Renault Zoe came out. 40kWh battery, 250 mile range (~160-180 miles real) and likely to cost around €20k. Even has Android Auto with Waze.
[14:05:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] (Score:2) 02not yet, but looking forward to EV - 06Automakers Show Off Electric Cars at Paris Show - 403 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:05:15] <exec> 08└─Soon as the energy storage is good enough to make a road trip practical, lasts at least 10 years or doesn't cost a fortune to replace, or a fortune to buy, I'm on board. I don't care if that's batteries, fuel cells, fly wheels, or some other energy storage tech. Been holding on to my aging 15 year o...
[14:05:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Funny) 02dummy passengers - 06World's First 4-Seater Fuel-Cell Plane Takes off in Germany - 74 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:05:24] <exec> 08└─They are dummies indeed, for boarding a German aircraft carrying hydrogen.
[14:05:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anne Nonymous [712] (Score:2) 02Takes off in Germany - 06World's First 4-Seater Fuel-Cell Plane Takes off in Germany - 35 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:05:26] <exec> 08└─Sure, but does it land... anywhere.
[14:05:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:3, Touché) 02Re:Takes off in Germany - 06World's First 4-Seater Fuel-Cell Plane Takes off in Germany - 35 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:05:28] <exec> 08└─Sure, but does it land... anywhere.
[14:05:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03esperto123 [4303] (Score:2) 02Re:Takes off in Germany - 06World's First 4-Seater Fuel-Cell Plane Takes off in Germany - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:05:30] <exec> 08└─As Top Gear taught us, it will go to Poland always
[14:05:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03richtopia [3160] (Score:2) 02Contrail article is good - 06World's First 4-Seater Fuel-Cell Plane Takes off in Germany - 127 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:05:33] <exec> 08└─I liked the article at the end of the submission, specifically detailing the study on contrails following September 11th, 2001.
[14:05:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Contrail article is good - 06World's First 4-Seater Fuel-Cell Plane Takes off in Germany - 248 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:05:35] <exec> 08└─But, what do jet contrails (from flying transonic at 30,000 ft+) have to do with a general aviation aircraft that cruises at 100mph, low altitude and isn't pressurized or all-weather? That last tag line has almost nothing to do with the main story.
[14:05:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Contrail article is good - 06World's First 4-Seater Fuel-Cell Plane Takes off in Germany - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:05:37] <exec> 08└─From the people who brought you Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon, it's Six Degrees of Nine Eleven.
[14:05:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03t-3 [4907] (Score:2) 02Re:Contrail article is good - 06World's First 4-Seater Fuel-Cell Plane Takes off in Germany - 254 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:05:39] <exec> 08└─Fuel cell technology is relatively new and is only just now being implemented in small planes. Obviously the technology must be proven before anyone is going to make the momumental investment to build even one plane jet-class plane powered by fuel cells.
[14:05:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Re:Contrail article is good - 06World's First 4-Seater Fuel-Cell Plane Takes off in Germany - 657 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:05:41] <exec> 08└─But, what do jet contrails (from flying transonic at 30,000 ft+) have to do with a general aviation aircraft that cruises at 100mph, low altitude and isn't pressurized or all-weather? That last tag line has almost nothing to do with the main story. First there was nothingThen there were balloonsThen...
[14:05:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03FunkyLich [4689] (Score:2, Insightful) 02It uses Hydrogen. Right! - 06World's First 4-Seater Fuel-Cell Plane Takes off in Germany - 363 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:05:43] <exec> 08└─https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_economy/ [wikipedia.org] So now hydrogen is the world saving fuel of the world. It is emission free when it burns. But doesn't it also need some quite high amount of energy to be obtained because, you know, it binds very strongly to anything else that it has a...
[14:05:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:3, Insightful) 02Not Possible - 06New Wind Turbines Could Power Japan for 50 Years after a Single Typhoon - 371 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:05:52] <exec> 08└─How are they going to store 50 years worth of energy? Oh, wait a sec. He needs a "sufficiently large array" of them to capture that energy. Well, I could power Japan for 50 years too using solar power if I had a sufficiently large array of solar panels. That's the definition of "sufficiently", just...
[14:05:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:Not Possible - 06New Wind Turbines Could Power Japan for 50 Years after a Single Typhoon - 298 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:05:54] <exec> 08└─sigh... The journalist puts up some sensational click bait and misrepresents what the numbers mean and people fall for it like lemmings. The figure means that is how much POTENTIALLY trappable energy a typhoon contains. Yeah yeah, everyone knows that is not how much you would get in reality...DUH!
[14:05:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:Not Possible - 06New Wind Turbines Could Power Japan for 50 Years after a Single Typhoon - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:05:57] <exec> 08└─The journalist? How about the story submitter and/or editor?
[14:05:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Not Possible - 06New Wind Turbines Could Power Japan for 50 Years after a Single Typhoon - 194 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:05:59] <exec> 08└─How about the story submitter and/or editor? Exactly We don't have to submit trash and waste everybody else's time. And if we do submit it we can tone it down to just report a durable windmill.
[14:06:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Not Possible - 06New Wind Turbines Could Power Japan for 50 Years after a Single Typhoon - 295 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:06:01] <exec> 08└─Yup, hype hype hype. First you are lead to believe one would suffice in Typhoon. They they let slip that you need a whole array as well as the Typhoon. By the end of the article, you realize you need a huge array, and a Typhoon that lasts 50 years. This is what journalism school does to people.
[14:06:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03driverless [4770] (Score:2) 02Re:Not Possible - 06New Wind Turbines Could Power Japan for 50 Years after a Single Typhoon - 321 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:06:03] <exec> 08└─That was my immediate reaction as well. May as well say that a single Hiroshima-sized bomb would produce enough energy to power Japan for 50 years. (OK, I'm exaggerating for effect there, it's only about 20MW/h, the point is that you've got just as much chance of storing it as for the wind farm in t...
[14:06:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Not Possible - 06New Wind Turbines Could Power Japan for 50 Years after a Single Typhoon - 177 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:06:05] <exec> 08└─But don't you know? We will send a huge pile of crap up using this energy and let it fall back down over a period of fifty years. No problem whatsoever. The reporters know it so
[14:06:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02What about the Stirling engine - 06New Wind Turbines Could Power Japan for 50 Years after a Single Typhoon - 377 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:06:07] <exec> 08└─A very efficient engine it can be powered by the sun or basically anywhere that there is a slight heat difference between two locations and can generate quite a bit of power from almost nothing. I'm surprised it's not used more often. It seems like it would be rather easy to direct sunlight at this...
[14:06:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:What about the Stirling engine - 06New Wind Turbines Could Power Japan for 50 Years after a Single Typhoon - 53 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:06:09] <exec> 08└─can generate quite a bit of power from almost nothing
[14:06:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:What about the Stirling engine - 06New Wind Turbines Could Power Japan for 50 Years after a Single Typhoon - 111 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:06:12] <exec> 08└─matter to energy is kinda something from almost nothing when done right. zero point energy is nothing... kinda.
[14:06:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03tekk [5704] (Score:1) 02Re:What about the Stirling engine - 06New Wind Turbines Could Power Japan for 50 Years after a Single Typhoon - 164 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:06:14] <exec> 08└─Note that he said almost nothing, not nothing: Stirling Engines are known for being ridiculously efficient, but generating approximately no power in absolute terms.
[14:06:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03tekk [5704] (Score:1) 02Re:What about the Stirling engine - 06New Wind Turbines Could Power Japan for 50 Years after a Single Typhoon - 148 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:06:16] <exec> 08└─or to clarify, not that it generates little power in absolute terms, but it has a poor power:weight ratio, making we've tended to use other engines.
[14:06:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:What about the Stirling engine - 06New Wind Turbines Could Power Japan for 50 Years after a Single Typhoon - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:06:19] <exec> 08└─What about the Seebeck effect?
[14:06:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score:2) 02Re:What about the Stirling engine - 06New Wind Turbines Could Power Japan for 50 Years after a Single Typhoon - 174 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:06:21] <exec> 08└─A 1.5 MW solar thermo-mechanical facility, using Stirling engines, opened in the southwestern United States in 2010. https://www.youtube.com [youtube.com]
[14:06:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03BK [4868] (Score:4, Funny) 02Japan... - 06New Wind Turbines Could Power Japan for 50 Years after a Single Typhoon - 111 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:06:23] <exec> 08└─Since it's Japan, how many fighting giant humanoid robots could be powered by such an array? And for how long?
[14:06:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Politics ... - 06Caves in Which Jewish Rebels Hid from Romans 2,000 Years Ago Found in Galilee - 275 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:06:32] <exec> 08└─> The cave entrances are pretty easy to spy, for a hiding place... Indeed. And more than one teen has lost their virginity in there over the last few decades I'm sure. But someone with quite an agenda needs to trumpet out loud any proof the Eternal Jewishness of that land...
[14:06:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Re:Politics ... - 06Caves in Which Jewish Rebels Hid from Romans 2,000 Years Ago Found in Galilee - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:06:34] <exec> 08└─http://archive.adl.org/education/curriculum_connections/doctrine_of_discovery.html [adl.org]
[14:06:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03jelizondo [653] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:Politics ... - 06Caves in Which Jewish Rebels Hid from Romans 2,000 Years Ago Found in Galilee - 1093 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:06:36] <exec> 08└─Indeed. Even the scholars of the Torah acknowledge that the land was previously inhabited and was therefore to be taken by force. A couple of light reads: Who was Living in the Land when Abraham Arrived? [thetorah.com] Second Temple J 2000 udaism: A Brief Historical Outline [westmont.edu] And the R...
[14:06:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03PartTimeZombie [4827] (Score:3, Insightful) 02What ever - 06Caves in Which Jewish Rebels Hid from Romans 2,000 Years Ago Found in Galilee - 580 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:06:39] <exec> 08└─The article says that scientists discovered these caves, and implies it was a recent thing, despite there being a town at the foot of the cliff, because the local kids would never have played in those caves, now would they? Also, the only reasons "Great Jewish Revolt " is even noteworthy is because...
[14:06:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Touché) 02Re:What ever - 06Caves in Which Jewish Rebels Hid from Romans 2,000 Years Ago Found in Galilee - 41 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:06:41] <exec> 08└─[Jewish revolt] ... they didn't even win.
[14:06:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03PartTimeZombie [4827] (Score:2) 02Re:What ever - 06Caves in Which Jewish Rebels Hid from Romans 2,000 Years Ago Found in Galilee - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:06:43] <exec> 08└─Sorry, I won't tell you what happens with the Lombards then.
[14:06:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheGratefulNet [659] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:What ever - 06Caves in Which Jewish Rebels Hid from Romans 2,000 Years Ago Found in Galilee - 19 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:06:45] <exec> 08└─he fixes the cable?
[14:06:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:What ever - 06Caves in Which Jewish Rebels Hid from Romans 2,000 Years Ago Found in Galilee - 18 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:06:47] <exec> 08└─Good answer, Dude.
[14:06:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03RamiK [1813] (Score:2, Insightful) 02Re:What ever - 06Caves in Which Jewish Rebels Hid from Romans 2,000 Years Ago Found in Galilee - 1867 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:06:49] <exec> 08└─I won't say anything about historical significance. But I will say Josephus' writings were\are often read in Judeo-Christian context: 1. Full name: Titus Flavius Josephus 2. Pisonian conspiracy: 65 plot to assassinate Nero with Subrius Flavus being one of the ring leaders. 3. Great revolt: 66. Roman...
[14:06:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Litterbugs! No wonder Romans angry - 06Caves in Which Jewish Rebels Hid from Romans 2,000 Years Ago Found in Galilee - 206 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:06:52] <exec> 08└─What's with the aluminum cans and Doritos bags strewn about? Those rebels were slobs! Then again, it looks like my own surroundings, I have to say. I'm a rebel against tidiness. Arrrr, Romans walk ze plank!
[14:06:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Funny) 02Recently discovered - 06Caves in Which Jewish Rebels Hid from Romans 2,000 Years Ago Found in Galilee - 244 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:06:54] <exec> 08└─While in China in 1989, I was taken to recently discovered caves, in which Mao had hid from the Japanese during WWII. When I asked how the caves could then be called "recently discovered", I was told they were "recently discovered BY TOURISTS".
[14:06:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Touché) 02Re:Recently discovered - 06Caves in Which Jewish Rebels Hid from Romans 2,000 Years Ago Found in Galilee - 49 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:06:56] <exec> 08└─The first Christian with a flag gets to claim it.
[14:06:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Recently discovered - 06Caves in Which Jewish Rebels Hid from Romans 2,000 Years Ago Found in Galilee - 674 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:06:58] <exec> 08└─Note that many cavers have gone to China in recent years to explore the caves there. There are lots of deep caves there, and expedition caving is the sort of sport that attracts folks who don't mind getting on a plane if it means finding deeper caves. Just like people come from all around the world...
[14:07:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Good job - 06Caves in Which Jewish Rebels Hid from Romans 2,000 Years Ago Found in Galilee - 18 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:07:01] <exec> 08└─Good job you Jews!
[14:07:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Rivenaleem [3400] (Score:3, Funny) 02Documents found in sealed Jar - 06Caves in Which Jewish Rebels Hid from Romans 2,000 Years Ago Found in Galilee - 268 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:07:03] <exec> 08└─The article failed to mention the documents they found in the cave. Apparently there were meetings held there and some of it was written down. One meeting entitled "What have the Romans ever done for us?" was documented by a group known as the People's Front of Judea.
[14:07:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03MostCynical [2589] (Score:3, Funny) 02Re:Documents found in sealed Jar - 06Caves in Which Jewish Rebels Hid from Romans 2,000 Years Ago Found in Galilee - 111 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:07:05] <exec> 08└─Sure it wasn't the Judean People's Front, or the Judean Popular People's Front? (Or was that a different cave?)
[14:07:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Justice delayed is justice denied!! - 06Kim Dotcom’s Extradition Appeal Concludes - 3 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:07:13] <exec> 08└─n/t
[14:07:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03pkrasimirov [3358] (Score:2) 02RIP - 06Woman Who Took Husband's Intestine on Flight to Europe Wanted it Tested - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:07:23] <exec> 08└─RIP husband. I hope he was not poisoned or killed in another way.
[14:07:24] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03pkrasimirov [3358] 02Black Humour - 06Woman Who Took Husband's Intestine on Flight to Europe Wanted it Tested - 323 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:07:25] <exec> 08└─Prosecutor: How did your first husband die? Wife: Poisoning. Prosecutor: Why? Wife: He ate mushrooms. Prosecutor: How did your second husband die? Wife: Poisoning. Prosecutor: Why? Wife: He ate mushrooms. Prosecutor: How did your third husband die? Wife: Head trauma. Prosecutor: Why? Wife: He didn't...
[14:07:26] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Zinho [759] 02War on the abnormal - 06Woman Who Took Husband's Intestine on Flight to Europe Wanted it Tested - 526 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:07:27] <exec> 08└─Short version is: * she was doing nothing illegal * she was following proper procedure for what she was doing * the customs agents detained her anyways, and * now we all know about her personal medical tragedy It seems that there's a war on against the unusual; anything that isn't 100% ordinary is s...
[14:07:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03edIII [791] (Score:2) 02Re:War on the abnormal - 06Woman Who Took Husband's Intestine on Flight to Europe Wanted it Tested - 1393 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:07:29] <exec> 08└─Not so sure. It was odd to say the least, and the article didn't indicate she had any paperwork to that effect either. So think of it from the custom officers point of view. Lady behaving strangely and you find pieces of intestine in her luggage. She admits its human, her dead husband's, and she is...
[14:07:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:War on the abnormal - 06Woman Who Took Husband's Intestine on Flight to Europe Wanted it Tested - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:07:32] <exec> 08└─Lesson learned: before carrying anything unusual on an international flight, retain lawyers in both countries.
[14:07:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03edIII [791] (Score:2) 02Re:War on the abnormal - 06Woman Who Took Husband's Intestine on Flight to Europe Wanted it Tested - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:07:34] <exec> 08└─There's unusual, and then there is human intestines.
[14:07:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:War on the abnormal - 06Woman Who Took Husband's Intestine on Flight to Europe Wanted it Tested - 313 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:07:36] <exec> 08└─I guess the Moroccan doctor had already come to the conclusion that the lady's husband was poisoned, and provided a sample that would let Austrian doctors get first hand confirmation, rather than having his report translated, authenticated and questioned. But otherwise, a non-story. How "suspicious"...
[14:07:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:3, Touché) 02Re:War on the abnormal - 06Woman Who Took Husband's Intestine on Flight to Europe Wanted it Tested - 200 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:07:38] <exec> 08└─> but wasn't handcuffed or anything Well, it is a European country. After a few hundred years of getting it wrong, they realized they should talk to Africans for a while before putting them in chains.
[14:07:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score:2) 02Re:War on the abnormal - 06Woman Who Took Husband's Intestine on Flight to Europe Wanted it Tested - 414 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:07:40] <exec> 08└─Even if the thing hadn't been properly wrapped...um...would anything have happened? Unless the guy had mad cow disease or something really weird I would think you could just drop the thing in a ziplock bag for all it matters. (presumably the extra packaging is just to keep it "fresh" and uncontamina...
[14:07:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0, Disagree) 02Re:War on the abnormal - 06Woman Who Took Husband's Intestine on Flight to Europe Wanted it Tested - 352 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:07:43] <exec> 08└─a prerequisite for the privilege of flying in airplanes (no, its not a right) is that you act normally and submit yourself to the possibility of inspections and "harrassment" if she didn't want that there are numerous other (albeit slower and less convenient) means of travel acting strangely at an a...
[14:07:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Marand [1081] (Score:2) 02Re:War on the abnormal - 06Woman Who Took Husband's Intestine on Flight to Europe Wanted it Tested - 111 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:07:45] <exec> 08└─It seems that there's a war on against the unusual; anything that isn't 100% ordinary is subject to harassment.
[14:07:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Dunbal [3515] (Score:2) 02Re:War on the abnormal - 06Woman Who Took Husband's Intestine on Flight to Europe Wanted it Tested - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:07:47] <exec> 08└─* now we all know about her personal medical tragedy
[14:07:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Zinho [759] (Score:2) 02Re:War on the abnormal - 06Woman Who Took Husband's Intestine on Flight to Europe Wanted it Tested - 32 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:07:49] <exec> 08└─How is murder a medical tragedy?
[14:07:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03GDX [1950] (Score:1) 02Re:War on the abnormal - 06Woman Who Took Husband's Intestine on Flight to Europe Wanted it Tested - 293 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:07:51] <exec> 08└─Actually it appears that she wasn't following all of the proper procedure, well she followed most of it but she didn't filled the proper paperwork to transport/import a medical sample although this paperwork seems that isn't obligatory for all type of samples it helps in situations like this.
[14:07:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:War on the abnormal - 06Woman Who Took Husband's Intestine on Flight to Europe Wanted it Tested - 456 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:07:53] <exec> 08└─When the paperwork isn't required, how is not having it "not following the proper procdedure"? Do you even know first hand that such paperwork exists? Because I've heard the exact same argument over and over again, that even though over here, we aren't required to carry any personal ID cards, that i...
[14:07:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:War on the abnormal - 06Woman Who Took Husband's Intestine on Flight to Europe Wanted it Tested - 387 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:07:56] <exec> 08└─Its not a war against the unusual. That is too simplistic a view. Its an authoritarian war on non-conformity and uncontrolled. Airport security has gone from necessary measures to authoritarian porno film since 911 et al. And you better stay awake, because this crap will spread everywhere these sort...
[14:07:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anne Nonymous [712] (Score:4, Funny) 02Intestine smuggling - 06Woman Who Took Husband's Intestine on Flight to Europe Wanted it Tested - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:07:58] <exec> 08└─That takes a lot of guts.
[14:07:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Rivenaleem [3400] (Score:2) 02Re:Intestine smuggling - 06Woman Who Took Husband's Intestine on Flight to Europe Wanted it Tested - 53 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:08:00] <exec> 08└─Imagine trying to smuggle that in a swallowed condom.
[14:08:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03NotSanguine [285] (Score:2) 02Poison, You Say? - 06Woman Who Took Husband's Intestine on Flight to Europe Wanted it Tested - 80 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:08:02] <exec> 08└─I just thought she just wanted to make some Kishke [wikipedia.org]. I guess not.
[14:08:03] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03ilPapa [2366] 02not impressed - 06Woman Who Took Husband's Intestine on Flight to Europe Wanted it Tested - 49 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:08:04] <exec> 08└─That's nothing. My first wife still has my balls.
[14:08:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03black6host [3827] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:not impressed - 06Woman Who Took Husband's Intestine on Flight to Europe Wanted it Tested - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:08:06] <exec> 08└─There should be a sad mod for this post. I'm so sorry :)
[14:08:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Immerman [3985] (Score:4, Insightful) 02An alternative on Earth? - 06Making Space Rocket Fuel From Water Could Drive a Power Revolution on Earth - 895 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:08:17] <exec> 08└─Okay, cool tech, and I could see it being useful in space as a stable, dense storage form for reaction mass for maneuvering jets and other highly intermittent uses. But on Earth? In what way is this an alternative to fossil fuels? It's no alternative at all as an energy *source*, and hydrogen has lo...
[14:08:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:An alternative on Earth? - 06Making Space Rocket Fuel From Water Could Drive a Power Revolution on Earth - 217 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:08:19] <exec> 08└─I'd mod you up but I blew my mod wad. Solar and Fusion Could Drive a Power Revolution on Earth. If one of the several new nuclear fusion startups succeeds, we could have 0.1 to 1.0 cents per kilowatt-hour electricity.
[14:08:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03edIII [791] (Score:2) 02Re:An alternative on Earth? - 06Making Space Rocket Fuel From Water Could Drive a Power Revolution on Earth - 832 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:08:21] <exec> 08└─I remember that there is an aluminum/gallium process for hydrogen production from water that allows you store the hydrogen safely. No metal hydrides or anything else is required for storing hydrogen. The hydrogen is produced on demand by introducing water into the Al/Ga chamber which results in oxyg...
[14:08:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:An alternative on Earth? - 06Making Space Rocket Fuel From Water Could Drive a Power Revolution on Earth - 219 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:08:23] <exec> 08└─But if the oxygen is bonded to the Al, what are you going to use to combust the hydrogen? Are you thinking terrestially, where you have access to things like an atmosphere? What is so difficult about solar electrolysis?
[14:08:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03requerdanos [5997] (Score:2) 02Re:An alternative on Earth? - 06Making Space Rocket Fuel From Water Could Drive a Power Revolution on Earth - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:08:25] <exec> 08└─What is so difficult about solar electrolysis?
[14:08:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03edIII [791] (Score:2) 02Re:An alternative on Earth? - 06Making Space Rocket Fuel From Water Could Drive a Power Revolution on Earth - 117 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:08:28] <exec> 08└─I hadn't thought beyond the production of hydrogen to be honest, and yes terrestrially. Thanks for pointing that out.
[14:08:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03nitehawk214 [1304] (Score:1) 02Re:An alternative on Earth? - 06Making Space Rocket Fuel From Water Could Drive a Power Revolution on Earth - 122 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:08:30] <exec> 08└─Hell with electrolysis. Thermally split water: https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org]
[14:08:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:An alternative on Earth? - 06Making Space Rocket Fuel From Water Could Drive a Power Revolution on Earth - 343 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:08:32] <exec> 08└─Wow! Who knew there were so many ways to split water? I am partial, however, to "Water splitting by Iridium complexes", because Iridium, as we all know, is the primary material used to tip the nibs of fountain pens. And the inks used by fountain pens are almost entirely water. So do we have an energ...
[14:08:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03RS3 [6367] (Score:1) 02Re:An alternative on Earth? - 06Making Space Rocket Fuel From Water Could Drive a Power Revolution on Earth - 380 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:08:34] <exec> 08└─But on Earth? In what way is this an alternative to fossil fuels? It's no alternative at all as an energy *source*, and hydrogen has long ben under consideration as a form of energy *storage*, but presents some major challenges that, last I heard, are as yet unsolved. Moreover, until solar power gen...
[14:08:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Immerman [3985] (Score:2) 02Re:An alternative on Earth? - 06Making Space Rocket Fuel From Water Could Drive a Power Revolution on Earth - 249 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:08:36] <exec> 08└─Have we worked out any way to pipe H2 long distances without massive losses though? Even at atmospheric pressure, you're still dealing with roughly zero partial pressure on the outside of the pipe wall, so you need a wall that H2 can't flow through.
[14:08:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03RS3 [6367] (Score:1) 02Re:An alternative on Earth? - 06Making Space Rocket Fuel From Water Could Drive a Power Revolution on Earth - 284 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:08:39] <exec> 08└─I don't know about these things of which you speak. You're saying H2 can leech through things? Such that over long distances, the huge surface area of the pip 73cb e would be a sieve? Could we coat it with PTFE or something similar? How about a small gauge rail system with canisters?
[14:08:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:An alternative on Earth? - 06Making Space Rocket Fuel From Water Could Drive a Power Revolution on Earth - 57 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:08:41] <exec> 08└─Send the hydrogen-filled canisters through the Hyperloop.
[14:08:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03WalksOnDirt [5854] (Score:2) 02Re:An alternative on Earth? - 06Making Space Rocket Fuel From Water Could Drive a Power Revolution on Earth - 167 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:08:43] <exec> 08└─The losses of energy of gasses flowing through a pipe depends on the speed. If you are willing to wait forever then it's free. If you want if faster it gets expensive.
[14:08:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03RS3 [6367] (Score:1) 02Re:An alternative on Earth? - 06Making Space Rocket Fuel From Water Could Drive a Power Revolution on Earth - 37 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:08:46] <exec> 08└─Would larger ID pipe cause less loss?
[14:08:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03WalksOnDirt [5854] (Score:2) 02Re:An alternative on Earth? - 06Making Space Rocket Fuel From Water Could Drive a Power Revolution on Earth - 4 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:08:48] <exec> 08└─Yes.
[14:08:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03stormwyrm [717] (Score:2) 02Re:An alternative on Earth? - 06Making Space Rocket Fuel From Water Could Drive a Power Revolution on Earth - 799 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:08:50] <exec> 08└─If you had an easy way to make hydrogen, why not turn that hydrogen into methane? Last I checked, storing methane safely for extended periods is comparatively easy: in my own kitchen, I have some stored methane in a gas cylinder. Transporting methane long distances is also a lot easier: it's somethi...
[14:08:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02IGNITION! - 06Making Space Rocket Fuel From Water Could Drive a Power Revolution on Earth - 356 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:08:52] <exec> 08└─IGNITION! An Informal History of Liquid Rocket Propellants https://library.sciencemadness.org [sciencemadness.org] I came across this book a few days ago and almost was going to submit it as a journal/slow news day/book review. The book seems worth reading, so you should g...
[14:08:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score:2, Interesting) 02Earth people have been doing this since the 1800s. - 06Making Space Rocket Fuel From Water Could Drive a Power Revolution on Earth - 381 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:08:54] <exec> 08└─Thank you, space people, but we already use this technology. The oxy-hydrogen blowpipe was developed by English mineralogist Edward Daniel Clarke and American chemist Robert Hare in the early nineteenth century. It produced a flame hot enough to melt such refractory materials as platinum, porcelain...
[14:08:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score:2) 02Meh? - 06Making Space Rocket Fuel From Water Could Drive a Power Revolution on Earth - 528 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:08:57] <exec> 08└─If they are just testing the tech, ok. If you can find a source of water up there to use as the input this makes some sense, otherwise it is pointless. Do the math peeps. Option 1, carry hydrogen and oxygen precracked in tanks and light it up. Option 2, carry the same mass as water plus solar collec...
[14:08:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score:2) 02Re:Meh? - 06Making Space Rocket Fuel From Water Could Drive a Power Revolution on Earth - 238 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:08:59] <exec> 08└─In 1807, the first wheeled vehicle with an internal combustion engine ran on hydrogen. There have been other attempts since. https://web.archive.org [archive.org]
[14:09:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score:2) 02Re:Meh? - 06Making Space Rocket Fuel From Water Could Drive a Power Revolution on Earth - 80 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:09:01] <exec> 08└─Oops, I intended this to be a response to stormwyrm's comment. [soylentnews.org]
[14:09:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score:2) 02Re:Meh? - 06Making Space Rocket Fuel From Water Could Drive a Power Revolution on Earth - 266 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:09:03] <exec> 08└─It's more equipment than I expected: the article says that a centrifuge separates the gasses from the water. > Better still would be to use electricity to fire random mass out at super energy levels greater than just lighting it up [...] Yes, ion drives are a thing.
[14:09:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score:2) 02Re:Meh? - 06Making Space Rocket Fuel From Water Could Drive a Power Revolution on Earth - 198 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:09:05] <exec> 08└─Yup. Current ones use Xenon, but while a noble gas might simplify some of the design there should not be any unsolvable obstacle to firing any old mass you happen to have out the rear at very speed.
[14:09:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:1) 02Re:Meh? - 06Making Space Rocket Fuel From Water Could Drive a Power Revolution on Earth - 185 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:09:08] <exec> 08└─Option 1, carry hydrogen and oxygen precracked in tanks and light it up. Option 2, carry the same mass as water plus solar collectors and the equipment to crack it and then light it up.
[14:09:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Meh? - 06Making Space Rocket Fuel From Water Could Drive a Power Revolution on Earth - 68 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:09:10] <exec> 08└─A good point, but then you have to get the power to split the water.
[14:09:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Dunbal [3515] (Score:2) 02Adobe and Microsoft - 06Adobe and Microsoft Cosy Up With Cloud Partnership - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:09:18] <exec> 08└─Two companies with "expert" security. I can't wait.
[14:09:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score:4, Touché) 02Re:Adobe and Microsoft - 06Adobe and Microsoft Cosy Up With Cloud Partnership - 97 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:09:21] <exec> 08└─In addition to that, the two losers of the web standards war. (*cough* silverlight *cough* flash)
[14:09:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Adobe and Microsoft - 06Adobe and Microsoft Cosy Up With Cloud Partnership - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:09:23] <exec> 08└─Be afraid! Be very afraid! Always two there are, a cloud and a . . . Always two there are!
[14:09:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nerdfest [80] (Score:2) 02RIght - 06Adobe and Microsoft Cosy Up With Cloud Partnership - 414 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:09:25] <exec> 08└─... and there we are. The Canadian government hired Adobe to manage their "cloud" deployments. That was bad enough, based on Adobe's wonderful security record. I wonder what the odds are now of a "cloud" provider being selected based on best fit or, FSM forbid, standards support for something like O...
[14:09:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Adobe Flash's direct downloads page is now dead - 06Adobe and Microsoft Cosy Up With Cloud Partnership - 649 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:09:27] <exec> 08└─Adobe Flash's direct downloads page is now dead For the longest time, you could download Adobe Flash for your web browser, for Windows and Linux, maybe OS X too I don't recall. Now it's dead. This is fucking stupid on so many levels. This was the page: https://www.adobe.com
[14:09:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:Adobe Flash's direct downloads page is now dead - 06Adobe and Microsoft Cosy Up With Cloud Partnership - 106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:09:29] <exec> 08└─Adobe Flash's direct downloads page is now dead Directly from embrace to extinguish! Well done, Microsoft!
[14:09:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02LOL - 06City of Moscow to Ditch 600k MSFT Exchange and Outlook Licences - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:09:39] <exec> 08└─You mean, they're dumping the licenses and running pirated rebranded versions.
[14:09:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:LOL - 06City of Moscow to Ditch 600k MSFT Exchange and Outlook Licences - 191 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:09:41] <exec> 08└─They probably have the MS source code as well. But can they find homegrown hackers willing to provide support for it? Expect to see some hilariously cryptic questions posted on stackoverflow.
[14:09:43] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] 02Re:LOL - 06City of Moscow to Ditch 600k MSFT Exchange and Outlook Licences - 73 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:09:44] <exec> 08└─Expect to see some hilariously cryptic questions posted on stackoverflow.
[14:09:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03termigator [4271] (Score:4, Funny) 02Re:LOL - 06City of Moscow to Ditch 600k MSFT Exchange and Outlook Licences - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:09:46] <exec> 08└─He said "cryptic" not "cyrillic". But I guess for us non-Russian speakers they are synonymous.
[14:09:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:LOL - 06City of Moscow to Ditch 600k MSFT Exchange and Outlook Licences - 33 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:09:48] <exec> 08└─Google translate is your comrade.
[14:09:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:4, Funny) 02Re:LOL - 06City of Moscow to Ditch 600k MSFT Exchange and Outlook Licences - 270 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:09:50] <exec> 08└─https://translate.google.com/#en/ru/Google%20translate%20is%20your%20comrade. [google.com] https://translate.google.com [google.com]
[14:09:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03turgid [4318] (Score:4, Funny) 02Re:LOL - 06City of Moscow to Ditch 600k MSFT Exchange and Outlook Licences - 34 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:09:53] <exec> 08└─My ekranoplan is full of lobsters.
[14:09:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:LOL - 06City of Moscow to Ditch 600k MSFT Exchange and Outlook Licences - 34 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:09:55] <exec> 08└─My ekranoplan is full of lobsters.
[14:09:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Re:LOL - 06City of Moscow to Ditch 600k MSFT Exchange and Outlook Licences - 28 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:09:57] <exec> 08└─My Antonov is full of Caviar
[14:09:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03turgid [4318] (Score:2) 02Re:LOL - 06City of Moscow to Ditch 600k MSFT Exchange and Outlook Licences - 14 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:09:59] <exec> 08└─Lucky you! :-)
[14:10:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03fraxinus-tree [5590] (Score:1) 02Re:LOL - 06City of Moscow to Ditch 600k MSFT Exchange and Outlook Licences - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:10:02] <exec> 08└─Heh. Grep for _FSBKEY instead.
[14:10:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score:2) 02Re:LOL - 06City of Moscow to Ditch 600k MSFT Exchange and Outlook Licences - 186 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:10:04] <exec> 08└─Russia (and other countries) might find it in their own long term interests to have all the source code, compile it themselves and have more confidence in what they are actually running.
[14:10:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmoschner [3296] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:LOL - 06City of Moscow to Ditch 600k MSFT Exchange and Outlook Licences - 389 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:10:06] <exec> 08└─If properly maintained, it is in the best interest of most large organizations (nations, companies, etc.) to write and maintain their own software. Avoiding being reliant upon other companies and putting your security and productivity into their hands can be more expensive than doing it in house. It...
[14:10:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nerdfest [80] (Score:2) 02Re:LOL - 06City of Moscow to Ditch 600k MSFT Exchange and Outlook Licences - 205 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:10:08] <exec> 08└─Any non-US government or company that needs any sort of secrecy is effectively retarded to trust any US product these days. I'm not sure proprietary software from any other country is really any different.
[14:10:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:LOL - 06City of Moscow to Ditch 600k MSFT Exchange and Outlook Licences - 147 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:10:11] <exec> 08└─If properly maintained, it is in the best interest of most large organizations (nations, companies, etc.) to write and maintain their own software.
[14:10:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:LOL - 06City of Moscow to Ditch 600k MSFT Exchange and Outlook Licences - 147 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:10:13] <exec> 08└─the reduced cost yet increased profit that a generic program offers almost always outweighs the cost-benefit of maintaining internal IT development
[14:10:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03edIII [791] (Score:4, Informative) 02Re:LOL - 06City of Moscow to Ditch 600k MSFT Exchange and Outlook Licences - 1720 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:10:15] <exec> 08└─Doubtful. Exchange and Outlook are complete fucking shit. Outlook isn't very stable (I used it for years until switching to web based), and Exchange is a fucking nightmare. They store the email inefficiently, and those data stores were always corrupting themselves. Not to mention you needed to place...
[14:10:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:LOL - 06City of Moscow to Ditch 600k MSFT Exchange and Outlook Licences - 436 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:10:17] <exec> 08└─I recall about 15 years ago a tour of a University's servers. "These 20 computers are handling the Microsoft portion of the mail - exchange servers". "- And that one over there?" "oh, that one? Yeah, that's the mail server. It handles each and every mail going into or out of the university, or being...
[14:10:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03driverless [4770] (Score:2) 02Re:LOL - 06City of Moscow to Ditch 600k MSFT Exchange and Outlook Licences - 262 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:10:19] <exec> 08└─No, the magic phrase is "We want the money of taxpayers and state-run firms to be primarily spent on local software". A bit of digging will then reveal that Nikolay Nikiforov's brother-in-law runs a software company that creates mail software. Welcome to Russia.
[14:10:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03opinionated_science [4031] (Score:2) 02libreoffice... - 06City of Moscow to Ditch 600k MSFT Exchange and Outlook Licences - 242 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:10:22] <exec> 08└─so if they switch to libreoffice and clean up the bugs (in my mind everyone in Russia uses Latex) perhaps it will trickle down to us in the west? We had the recent Mozilla "defocussed progress" report, so someone needs to pick up the slack...
[14:10:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:libreoffice... - 06City of Moscow to Ditch 600k MSFT Exchange and Outlook Licences - 1612 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:10:24] <exec> 08└─That would be like a dream come true. I already find LibreOffice quite usable. What would also be good is to see Russia ditch Windows and use Linux. Such wide scale use can only lead to improvements that help everyone. Too bad so many in the US are unable to see this. But nothing helps like banning...
[14:10:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02''ditch Windows and use Linux'' - 06City of Moscow to Ditch 600k MSFT Exchange and Outlook Licences - 1361 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:10:26] <exec> 08└─What would also be good is to see Russia ditch Windows and use Linux We should note here that Russia has threatened several times before that they will be dumping foreign technology and doing their own thing. Now, their progress on their ARM-based processor has made noteworthy progress. Russia Plans...
[14:10:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Re:libreoffice... - 06City of Moscow to Ditch 600k MSFT Exchange and Outlook Licences - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:10:28] <exec> 08└─> in my mind everyone in Russia uses Latex Too expensive. Bad alcohol will have the same end effect.
[14:10:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03fraxinus-tree [5590] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Too late. - 06City of Moscow to Ditch 600k MSFT Exchange and Outlook Licences - 314 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:10:30] <exec> 08└─The project smells of large scale Russian style corruption without a plan to do any real work. But if it is for real, I wish them luck. AFAIK (and yes, I do read Russian) they will try to migrate everything to some government-run cloud and centralizing the information is more important than the soft...
[14:10:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03janrinok [52] (Score:2) 02Re:Too late. - 06City of Moscow to Ditch 600k MSFT Exchange and Outlook Licences - 580 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:10:33] <exec> 08└─I agree. At the moment purchasing software does not make any local politicos any money. But, if someone can 'control' the sale of local licenses then there is a profit to be made. They have been moving aways from Windows for several years now because of the security fears i.e. all data will end up...
[14:10:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Insightful) 02chastity belt - 06HP to Issue “Optional Firmware Update” Allowing 3rd-Party Ink - 106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:10:44] <exec> 08└─If you feel the need to put a chastity belt on your partner, it might be time to rethink the relationship.
[14:10:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03stretch611 [6199] (Score:1) 02Re:chastity belt - 06HP to Issue “Optional Firmware Update” Allowing 3rd-Party Ink - 105 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:10:46] <exec> 08└─Actually, in this case, HP was forcing you t wear the chastity belt... so that only they could screw you.
[14:10:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:chastity belt - 06HP to Issue “Optional Firmware Update” Allowing 3rd-Party Ink - 20 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:10:48] <exec> 08└─And a "Virgin alarm"
[14:10:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:chastity belt - 06HP to Issue “Optional Firmware Update” Allowing 3rd-Party Ink - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:10:51] <exec> 08└─It's programmed to go off before you do.
[14:10:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03darkfeline [1030] (Score:3, Funny) 02Re:chastity belt - 06HP to Issue “Optional Firmware Update” Allowing 3rd-Party Ink - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:10:53] <exec> 08└─Some people enjoy having masochistic partners.
[14:10:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03meustrus [4961] (Score:2) 02Not A Security Feature - 06HP to Issue “Optional Firmware Update” Allowing 3rd-Party Ink - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:10:55] <exec> 08└─...how often are similar techniques used to lock-out fair competition?
[14:10:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nerdfest [80] (Score:2) 02Re:Not A Security Feature - 06HP to Issue “Optional Firmware Update” Allowing 3rd-Party Ink - 157 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:10:57] <exec> 08└─They're not on my "avoid" list because of this. Lenovo got added last week. Seems to be a dangerous game basic your business of people having short memories.
[14:10:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nerdfest [80] (Score:2) 02Re:Not A Security Feature - 06HP to Issue “Optional Firmware Update” Allowing 3rd-Party Ink - 41 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:10:59] <exec> 08└─Sorry, that should be "on my avoid list".
[14:11:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Not A Security Feature - 06HP to Issue “Optional Firmware Update” Allowing 3rd-Party Ink - 133 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:11:01] <exec> 08└─Seems to be a dangerous game basic your business of people having short memories.Are to those condemned it history forget who repeat.
[14:11:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03driverless [4770] (Score:2) 02Re:Not A Security Feature - 06HP to Issue “Optional Firmware Update” Allowing 3rd-Party Ink - 75 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:11:04] <exec> 08└─They're not on my "avoid" list because of this. Lenovo got added last week.
[14:11:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nerdfest [80] (Score:2) 02Re:Not A Security Feature - 06HP to Issue “Optional Firmware Update” Allowing 3rd-Party Ink - 135 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:11:06] <exec> 08└─Rewarding company that does this sort of thing seems like a bad idea in the long term. It not only encourages them, but others as well.
[14:11:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03driverless [4770] (Score:2) 02Re:Not A Security Feature - 06HP to Issue “Optional Firmware Update” Allowing 3rd-Party Ink - 171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:11:08] <exec> 08└─Yeah, which is why I avoid anything from Sony like the plague. OTOH there really isn't any alternative to my Thinkpad, which perhaps colours my opinion of Lenovo somewhat.
[14:11:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ken [5985] (Score:1) 02Re:Not A Security Feature - 06HP to Issue “Optional Firmware Update” Allowing 3rd-Party Ink - 273 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:11:10] <exec> 08└─Everyone wants steady incremental income. Why sell a printer for $200.00 every 5-6 years when you can sell a couple of $30.00 cartridges every 2 or 3 months? Besides, you don't have to spend a bunch on R&D to try to improve the machine to make people want to buy a new one.
[14:11:11] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Anne Nonymous [712] 02Thanks - 06HP to Issue “Optional Firmware Update” Allowing 3rd-Party Ink - 36 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:11:13] <exec> 08└─But you're still a bunch of fuckers.
[14:11:14] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] 02It's not just printers - 06HP to Issue “Optional Firmware Update” Allowing 3rd-Party Ink - 1142 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:11:15] <exec> 08└─I was looking into automatic cat litter boxes recently, and there's one called the "CatGenie", which hooks up to your plumbing and has a hose to dispose of waste into your toilet, so that it actually washes itself out after your cat uses it. But this machine uses proprietary cleaner cartridges (prob...
[14:11:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03SomeGuy [5632] (Score:2) 02Re:It's not just printers - 06HP to Issue “Optional Firmware Update” Allowing 3rd-Party Ink - 74 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:11:17] <exec> 08└─From TFS: "cartridges that do not contain an original HP security chip..."
[14:11:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03 (Score:2) 02Re:It's not just printers - 06HP to Issue “Optional Firmware Update” Allowing 3rd-Party Ink - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:11:20] <exec> 08└─I foresee a lawsuit; IIRC toxoplasmosis readily aerosolizes (sp?) and many/most cats are infected so...
[14:11:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score:2) 02Re:It's not just printers - 06HP to Issue “Optional Firmware Update” Allowing 3rd-Party Ink - 410 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:11:22] <exec> 08└─I have two cats and one somehow trained himself to pee in the bathtub right next to the drain. Less clumpy piss litter I have to shovel but I am going to try that clumping flushable stuff. Thing is, it's pretty expensive. I'd love to toilet train but im betting its too much hassle. A long time ago o...
[14:11:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:3, Funny) 02Re:It's not just printers - 06HP to Issue “Optional Firmware Update” Allowing 3rd-Party Ink - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:11:24] <exec> 08└─You may need to change what you feed your cat.
[14:11:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score:2) 02Re:It's not just printers - 06HP to Issue “Optional Firmware Update” Allowing 3rd-Party Ink - 270 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:11:26] <exec> 08└─He just had a vet checkup and is in fine health. The bathtub thing might have been a behavior problem but it was cute when I would come down in the morning and he would follow and the both of us were using the bathroom together. He doesn't seem to do it as much anymore.
[14:11:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Re:It's not just printers - 06HP to Issue “Optional Firmware Update” Allowing 3rd-Party Ink - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:11:28] <exec> 08└─Maybe I should quote when I make grade-level jokes. > he took a dump in the toilet. We were blown away.
[14:11:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Kromagv0 [1825] (Score:2) 02Re:It's not just printers - 06HP to Issue “Optional Firmware Update” Allowing 3rd-Party Ink - 54 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:11:31] <exec> 08└─I thought you were referencing this: Less clumpy piss
[14:11:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03DannyB [5839] (Score:2) 02Re:It's not just printers - 06HP to Issue “Optional Firmware Update” Allowing 3rd-Party Ink - 439 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:11:33] <exec> 08└─Maybe some enterprising kick starter project. Or some hackaday project. Once someone builds a similar self cleaning litter box system and publishes plans, it could catch on. Ultimately availability of 3D printed parts make more projects like this become feasible. Similarly I would love to see a prin...
[14:11:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:It's not just printers - 06HP to Issue “Optional Firmware Update” Allowing 3rd-Party Ink - 1879 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:11:35] <exec> 08└─I was thinking of Keurig's proprietary coffee packs as an example outside of printing. Kirby tries it with their vacuum cleaners, insisting that only genuine Kirby branded shampoo can be used in their shampooing attachment. That one is laughably false, of course. Big Pharma tries to scare the US pub...
[14:11:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03chewbacon [1032] (Score:3, Funny) 02Ha! - 06HP to Issue “Optional Firmware Update” Allowing 3rd-Party Ink - 43 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:11:37] <exec> 08└─They want to protect you from saving money.
[14:11:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03requerdanos [5997] (Score:2) 02Cheapie Printers - 06HP to Issue “Optional Firmware Update” Allowing 3rd-Party Ink - 1398 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:11:39] <exec> 08└─I have over the past year bought two Samsung laser printers on closeout, a 3843 color one for $30 (yes, thirty US Dollars), and a print-scan-fax monochrome for about $100, both of which were on closeout sales at a store nearby. I don't want to ever own another inkjet printer if I can help it, as I...
[14:11:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Re:Cheapie Printers - 06HP to Issue “Optional Firmware Update” Allowing 3rd-Party Ink - 106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:11:42] <exec> 08└─HP is buying Samsung's printer division. Optional firmware update allowing third-party toner in 3, 2, 1...
[14:11:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03KritonK [465] (Score:2) 02Re:Cheapie Printers - 06HP to Issue “Optional Firmware Update” Allowing 3rd-Party Ink - 491 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:11:44] <exec> 08└─I have a Samsung CLP-325 laser printer, and I had no problem getting refilled toner cartriges for it. I say "had", because printing quality was hit and miss with refilled cartridges, so I stopped using them. I now use Q-Connect [q-connect.com] remanufactured cartridges, with which I've never had a p...
[14:11:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score:1) 02Introducing the Apple iPrint. - 06HP to Issue “Optional Firmware Update” Allowing 3rd-Party Ink - 713 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:11:46] <exec> 08└─The Apple iPrint is the most paper-friendly device we've ever created. We set out to make the best printer in the world—one that is quiet, clean and reliable. It comes in an incredible variety of colours, so you can find one that reflects your personal style and taste. Because you print with it, w...
[14:11:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score:2) 02Made the mistake of buying HP 309g - 06HP to Issue “Optional Firmware Update” Allowing 3rd-Party Ink - 1547 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:11:48] <exec> 08└─It was wireless, it was color, it scanned, it faxed, it was HP. How could I go wrong? Well, lemme list the ways. Got it 5-6 years ago. First year or two was great. Then, whenever I went to print I got "out of paper, load letter". Pull the paper out, put it back in, press OK, it prints. Then when I w...
[14:11:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03mendax [2840] (Score:2) 02A good decision on HP's part - 06HP to Issue “Optional Firmware Update” Allowing 3rd-Party Ink - 561 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:11:51] <exec> 08└─And in honor of their decision, I'm placing an order for yet another 3rd-party toner cartridge for my HP LaserJet printer. Why? Because it's 1/3 the cost of the HP branded and works just as well, and HP has yet to address this discrepancy. Why should I pay $60 for something I can get for less than $...
[14:12:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 12 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:12:03] <exec> 08└─"lame duck"?
[14:12:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03GreatAuntAnesthesia [3275] (Score:4, Interesting) 02Re:How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 594 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:12:05] <exec> 08└─Well, considering the hate Obama has had to deal with from the other side of the house during his administration, I think he's done well to get almost all the way through 2 terms without a single veto. As I understand it no president has made a full two terms without being vetoed in decades. I can s...
[14:12:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 118 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:12:07] <exec> 08└─The precedent is terrible, but that's long term consequences and this is congress. They're like... complete opposites.
[14:12:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:3, Funny) 02Re:How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 167 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:12:09] <exec> 08└─The precedent is terrible, but that's long term consequences and this is congress. They're like... complete opposites. I thought the opposite of congress was progress?
[14:12:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:12:11] <exec> 08└─I thought the opposite of congress was progressive?
[14:12:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Immerman [3985] (Score:2) 02Re:How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 509 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:12:14] <exec> 08└─I agree that the precedent is economically terrible for the US government, and by extension us as the tax payers. But, I'm not so sure it's actually terrible going forward - having to face, say, hundreds of thousands of private lawsuits for our crimes in the Middle East might serve to discourage rec...
[14:12:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03tynin [2013] (Score:2) 02Re:How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 310 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:12:16] <exec> 08└─You and I came to the same realization. No amount of lawsuits will amount to the kind of treasure we burn through every week waging our little wars all across the globe. I hope this ends up being a net positive and not just the new cost of "business as usual". Oh fuck... I think it might just be the...
[14:12:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03driverless [4770] (Score:2) 02Re:How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:12:18] <exec> 08└─The precedent is terrible
[14:12:20] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] 02Re:How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 775 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:12:20] <exec> 08└─We do all understand that the House of Saud is no ally of the United States? Saud is an ally of Saud, and no one else. That blowback? Maybe it's time, or even past time for some blowback. "We the People" have little to no interest in killing brown people scattered around the world. Every bit of that...
[14:12:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03GreatAuntAnesthesia [3275] (Score:2) 02Re:How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 21 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:12:23] <exec> 08└─No disagreement here.
[14:12:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:12:25] <exec> 08└─You know what they say about a broken clock...
[14:12:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Re:How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:12:27] <exec> 08└─The kind that display 88:88:88, the kind that displays nothing, or the kind that would fetch just enough at the pawn shop to afford on last hit?
[14:12:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 399 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:12:29] <exec> 08└─If Dick Cheney could be prosecuted for his idiotic justifications for torture, I'd be behind that 100%. Put Bush on trial for being a malleable idiot, and for invading Iraq. Get all the executives of Haliburton too. We're to stupid to clean house for ourselves, so let the world have our criminals. L...
[14:12:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02Re:How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 155 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:12:31] <exec> 08└─Well, of course we'll just ignore any judgements against us, anyway. But, I do look forward to getting sued next time we accidentally drone-bomb a wedding.
[14:12:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Arik [4543] (Score:2) 02Re:How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 329 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:12:34] <exec> 08└─"It might get cheers from lots of people, but again, most countries would probably lose a LOT more financially than they could ever gain in a lawsuit. So, unfortunately, I don't think this is going to be the way to bring down the "entire military industrial complex." Which means the objection was di...
[14:12:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:12:36] <exec> 08└─No country at present is going to try to indict a major U.S. leader for war crimes or something.
[14:12:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 258 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:12:38] <exec> 08└─The US loves to suck Saudi cock because it's the only way they can keep the Cash ---> Oil Weapons ----> Cash pump going. If Saudi stops buying expensive US military toys OR decides not to sell oil to the US again like in the 1970's the US is royally fucked.
[14:12:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03weeds [611] (Score:2) 02Re:How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 439 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:12:40] <exec> 08└─Top 5 US oil imports: Canada................40% Saudi Arabia.........11% Venezuela..............9% Mexico...................8% Colombia................4% http://www.eia.gov [eia.gov] But it's way more fun to just spout off about Saudi Arabia and guns and the corruption...
[14:12:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 1323 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:12:42] <exec> 08└─Is it sustainable? A lot of Canada's oil is in oil sands, which is only economic at high oil prices. And fracking in the U.S. is similar. Saudi Arabia and OPEC have been keeping prices low in order to hurt Iran or the United States, depending on who you ask. It was only a couple days ago that OPEC a...
[14:12:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:1) 02Re:How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:12:45] <exec> 08└─Is it sustainable? A lot of Canada's oil is in oil sands, which is only economic at high oil prices.
[14:12:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 245 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:12:47] <exec> 08└─Possibly. Production is very high, and demand growth is weak [cnbc.com]. Green energy mandates and emissions targets could drive demand down even further. Places like Alberta will experience a yo-yo effect with any price increase/decrease cycle.
[14:12:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 1486 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:12:49] <exec> 08└─Saudi Arabia could also play a little game where they keep production high enough to price out certain sources like the oil sands and U.S. fracking, with the intent of eliminating all of their oil reserves over a certain timeframe. Let's say that Saudi Arabia has about 300 billion barrels of recover...
[14:12:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03weeds [611] (Score:2) 02Re:How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 940 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:12:51] <exec> 08└─Your point is that when oil prices are low those who produce a lot of oil are hurt. OK, but you forgot - when oil prices are high, those who produce a lot benefit. This applies to the US, Brazil and any other oil producing country (don't forget Russia). The ups and downs are controlled by a cartel,...
[14:12:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03fnj [1654] (Score:2) 02Re:How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:12:53] <exec> 08└─As I understand it no president has made a full two terms without being vetoed in decades.
[14:12:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03GreatAuntAnesthesia [3275] (Score:2) 02Re:How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 495 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:12:55] <exec> 08└─OK, sure. I am somewhat ignorant of the finer points of the political system of a country half a world away. So sue me (subject to relevant dumb legislation). So it wasn't Obama's legislation, it was his veto that got vetoed... whatever. My point still stands: This something that happens to most pre...
[14:12:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03art guerrilla [3082] (Score:4, Interesting) 02Re:How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 303 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:12:58] <exec> 08└─sigh when you dont do shit, you dont get shit vetoed... virtually the only thing of any significant opposition was the health insurance profit guaranteed monopoly bill, which was essentially a rethug bill repackaged as a trojan horse to force us to buy shit insurance... and yet that crap passed, too...
[14:12:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 314 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:13:00] <exec> 08└─when you dont do shit, you dont get shit vetoed... Barack Obama sponsored 137 bills from January 4, 2005 until November 16, 2008. Two became law. [wikipedia.org] Looks like he got 135 thing vetoed. I'm sure the Republicans' well documented strategy of unprecedented obstructionism had nothing to...
[14:13:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:1) 02Re:How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 35 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:13:02] <exec> 08└─Looks like he got 135 thing vetoed.
[14:13:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score:2) 02Re:How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:13:04] <exec> 08└─The last president to make it through two terms without congress overriding a veto was Kennedy half a century ago.
[14:13:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03AthanasiusKircher [5291] (Score:2) 02Re:How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 278 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:13:06] <exec> 08└─FYI - the last President to go a full two terms without a veto overridden was Andrew Jackson in the 1830s. (Also, it should be noted, at that point in history there had never been a veto override yet in the U.S.; vetos in general were quite rare under the first few presidents.)
[14:13:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03GreatAuntAnesthesia [3275] (Score:2) 02Re:How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 82 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:13:08] <exec> 08└─And then Kennedy's vice president went on two complete the term, and a second one.
[14:13:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03lcklspckl [830] (Score:2, Informative) 02Re:How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 485 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:13:11] <exec> 08└─Technically Obama is not a lame duck as his predecessor has not been elected, however in the minds of some Obama is not/was never president and they were waiting for the next president to take the seat and so colloquially it's correct. It doesn't mean ineffectual president or president that has had...
[14:13:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03NotSanguine [285] (Score:2) 02Re:How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 160 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:13:13] <exec> 08└─Here's a short instructional video on how bills become bills and then laws in the great ole U.S. o' A. https://www.youtube.com [youtube.com]
[14:13:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03lcklspckl [830] (Score:1) 02Re:How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 175 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:13:15] <exec> 08└─Very instructive indeed. :) I did mean successor in my original post about lame-duckery. Nothing like completely mucking the pedantry with the completely opposite word choice.
[14:13:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheRaven [270] (Score:2) 02Re:How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:13:17] <exec> 08└─Technically Obama is not a lame duck as his predecessor has not been elected
[14:13:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03NotSanguine [285] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 495 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:13:19] <exec> 08└─OK, sure. I am somewhat ignorant of the finer points of the political system of a country half a world away. So sue me (subject to relevant dumb legislation). So it wasn't Obama's legislation, it was his veto that got vetoed... whatever. My point still stands: This something that happens to most pre...
[14:13:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Arik [4543] (Score:2) 02Re:How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 221 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:13:21] <exec> 08└─"Well, considering the hate Obama has had to deal with" Hate, really? Having people disagree with your position and vote against it occasionally is hate now? Or did something really crazy happen there in DC that I missed?
[14:13:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03NotSanguine [285] (Score:2) 02Re:How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 87 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:13:24] <exec> 08└─Having people disagree with your position and vote against it occasionally is hate now?
[14:13:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03J053 [3532] (Score:2) 02Re:How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 485 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:13:26] <exec> 08└─Uhh - President Obama was opposed to this bill - that's why he vetoed it. The Congress overrode his veto, thus causing the bill to become law over his objections. Seriously, does anyone think that any real ties can be shown, especially after all this time, between the Saudi government and the 9/11...
[14:13:27] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] 02Saudi Arabia never was a good friend - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 196 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:13:28] <exec> 08└─They're an oil buddy, not a friend. If they were really friends, they would: be a democracy separate church and state practice equality for women not be the homeland of most of the 9/11 terrorists
[14:13:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Saudi Arabia never was a good friend - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 86 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:13:30] <exec> 08└─The U.S. doesn't even have the first 3 on that list (or all 4 if you are a "truther").
[14:13:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score:2) 02Re:Saudi Arabia never was a good friend - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 159 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:13:32] <exec> 08└─Now that we don't need their oil can't we just tell them to STFU and GTFO. If other countries want to buy their oil let them deal with the sadistic barbarians.
[14:13:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Re:Saudi Arabia never was a good friend - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 541 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:13:34] <exec> 08└─Don't be naive. The US has helped overthrow more democracies and install military and other dictatorships than anyone. This includes in Iran where they replaced a democracy with Sharia law to help Saddam (who they praised at the time) for fucks sake, so there goes your church and state. Equality for...
[14:13:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] (Score:2) 02Re:Saudi Arabia never was a good friend - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 1067 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:13:36] <exec> 08└─Yes, you're right, the Shah of Iran was the doing of WWII allies determined to never suffer another oil shortage in time of war by overthrowing a democracy of an oil rich nation and installing a monarchy of all things, to be Western puppets. The US has screwed with Latin America time and time again,...
[14:13:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Immerman [3985] (Score:2) 02Re:Saudi Arabia never was a good friend - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 352 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:13:39] <exec> 08└─> whereas in the past our leaders would have opted to back our puppet. Maybe. Depends on how loyal the puppet is, and how good a chance he has of staying in power. If things have destabilized too far, too fast, then the expedient course would be to let the puppet fall, and throw your effort into tyi...
[14:13:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Saudi Arabia never was a good friend - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 196 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:13:41] <exec> 08└─They're an oil buddy, not a friend. If they were really friends, they would: be a democracy separate church and state practice equality for women not be the homeland of most of the 9/11 terrorists
[14:13:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] (Score:2) 02Re:Saudi Arabia never was a good friend - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 1531 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:13:43] <exec> 08└─It does make sense! Why did the US side with the Allies instead of the Central Powers in WWI? Ideology played a large part in that decision. The Central Powers were monarchies, the Allies were democracies. We didn't have anything particularly against the Germans, or at that time any special love for...
[14:13:44] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] 02Remarkable - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 631 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:13:45] <exec> 08└─It is remarkable because for the last 50 years Saudi Arabia has had almost as tight a secret lock on the US government as Israel does. The winds of change are blowing, and the Age of Oil must surely be on its way out. It will be interesting to see if the end of that age will also cost Israel its str...
[14:13:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score:1, Flamebait) 02Re:Remarkable - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 613 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:13:47] <exec> 08└─Doubtful. Israel just wants to be a peaceful democracy. Too bad it's surrounded by nutjobs who dedicate their lives to it's destruction. And yeah, I'm including the Palestinians in that group. I understand Israel takes a hard line on Palestinians, but IMHO it's well deserved. When you have a bunch o...
[14:13:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Remarkable - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 48 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:13:49] <exec> 08└─who want to shoot Israeli citizens for no reason
[14:13:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score:2, Insightful) 02Re:Remarkable - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 977 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:13:52] <exec> 08└─Disputed how? The entire Arab world declared war and lost, when you lose wars you tend to lose lands. By every law we recognize that regulates how Nation States behave, that land is now Israeli. Because the U.N. is an anti-Semetic Parliament of Tyrants with more than a few allies in the Democratic P...
[14:13:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03JNCF [4317] (Score:2, Disagree) 02Re:Remarkable - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 126 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:13:54] <exec> 08└─Because the U.N. is an anti-Semetic Parliament of Tyrants with more than a few allies in the Democratic Party here in the U.S.
[14:13:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Interesting) 02Re:Remarkable - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 528 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:13:56] <exec> 08└─You do realize that Jews are there in Israel because *EUROPEANS* threw them out? Something about a genocide, may be, could have been a reason, you think? You know, the actual jews are supposed to be brown people, not the fake jews of europe who think speakig yiddish gives them the right to land they...
[14:13:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score:2) 02Re:Remarkable - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 860 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:13:58] <exec> 08└─Your point would be? The Arab world was again on the losing side in WWII, so the victors were free to dispose of the losers territory in any way they saw fit. So to solve everyone's problem they gave the Jews a homeland, it being clear they would never be at home anywhere else. And whadda ya know, t...
[14:14:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03cubancigar11 [330] (Score:2) 02Re:Remarkable - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 147 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:14:01] <exec> 08└─I don't care if the Arabs are Nationalists in their lands, they can do their thing, oppress all they want so long as they keep it in their borders.
[14:14:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score:2) 02Re:Remarkable - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 346 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:14:03] <exec> 08└─I'm assuming you were in a hurry or something? I'm the one who was agreeing with Obama. But yea, at the end of WWII the Allies pretty much did own most of the world. That is what War is all about. Two sides enter, one side leaves and their view is then the only one that counts. After enough time pas...
[14:14:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03cubancigar11 [330] (Score:2) 02Re:Remarkable - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 648 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:14:05] <exec> 08└─You own up, you mess up, you lose. If you want to raise metaphysical points, you can have them and then come back to the original point. Which is this - either you debate on logic or you debate on power. There is no such thing between lit and unlit and the same way if you raise the point of power ev...
[14:14:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score:2) 02Re:Remarkable - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 64 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:14:07] <exec> 08└─Arabs don't care what you "Nationalists" do in your land either.
[14:14:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03cubancigar11 [330] (Score:2) 02Re:Remarkable - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 162 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:14:09] <exec> 08└─Depends what you mean by Arabs and where they blow things up. Could we just agree than some issues are simply more complicated than easy one-liners of propaganda?
[14:14:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:Remarkable - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:14:11] <exec> 08└─Disputed how? The entire Arab world declared war and lost, when you lose wars you tend to lose lands.
[14:14:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Remarkable - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 1002 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:14:14] <exec> 08└─Exactly. We live in a world governed by force. Accept that. The only laws governing sovereign nation states are force and self interest. But the Arabs do not have the power to win another war with the Jews any more than they could win the several attempts made since the Allies refounded Israel. And...
[14:14:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03NotSanguine [285] (Score:2) 02Re:Remarkable - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 559 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:14:16] <exec> 08└─Heinlein was, as usual, correct in his assessment [goodreads.com] that "violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.” That said, just because it's true, that doesn't mean that violence is a positive or desirable thing. As Salvor Hardin [wikipedia.org] pointe...
[14:14:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Remarkable - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 212 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:14:18] <exec> 08└─If Israel didn't want to have kids throwing rocks, molotovs, and occasional mortars at them perhaps they should stop stealing Palestinian land and cluster bombing the hell out of the West Bank every four years...
[14:14:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03HiThere [866] (Score:2) 02Re:Remarkable - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 237 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:14:20] <exec> 08└─Wouldn't work. The troubles go back to before the Israelis were powerful enough to steal Palestinian land. The original Israeli settlers bought the land, but that didn't keep violence from happening. The neighbors didn't want them there.
[14:14:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Remarkable - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 315 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:14:22] <exec> 08└─Israel is rather stupid for being established in that area to begin with but then religious people do lots of stupid things for "holy reasons". One wishes they'd be like the Martians in Futurama when they discover how rich they really are "You keep Mars, we'll just go buy a new planet and call that...
[14:14:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:3, Troll) 02Re:Remarkable - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 192 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:14:25] <exec> 08└─Doubtful. Israel just wants to be a peaceful democracy. Too bad it's surrounded by nutjobs who dedicate their lives to it's destruction. And yeah, I'm including the Palestinians in that group.
[14:14:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03julian [6003] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Remarkable - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:14:27] <exec> 08└─In 1990 the population of Gaza and the West Bank was 2M. Today it's 4.3M. It's a strange sort of genocide that sees the target population more than double in a generation.
[14:14:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03NotSanguine [285] (Score:2) 02Re:Remarkable - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 259 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:14:29] <exec> 08└─I think the real mistake the Israelis made was to choose the US as their patron instead of the USSR. They could have accomplished complete eradication of the Palestinians in a handful of years without having to worry about namby-pamby American public opinion.
[14:14:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Remarkable - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:14:31] <exec> 08└─The only problem with that is that Josef Stalin seems to have killed at least as many Jews as Hitler.
[14:14:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score:2) 02Re:Remarkable - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 1143 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:14:33] <exec> 08└─Flamebait, huh? Every-farking-state in what will become Israel lost in WW2, so Israel got some land. Get over it, that's what happens when you lose. 20 some odd years later every-farking-state within 1,000 miles decides Israel is evil and must be destroyed. They lost. Continuously, since the '67 war...
[14:14:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Remarkable - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 217 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:14:35] <exec> 08└─I tend to agree. Or, possibly, they want the next POTUS to start his term with a hot potato like a terrorism trial against Saudis. A bit far fetched but I am used to Italian politics where all blows are low like that.
[14:14:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03NotSanguine [285] (Score:2) 02Re:Remarkable - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 217 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:14:38] <exec> 08└─I tend to agree. Or, possibly, they want the next POTUS to start his term with a hot potato like a terrorism trial against Saudis. A bit far fetched but I am used to Italian politics where all blows are low like that.
[14:14:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Remarkable - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 26 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:14:40] <exec> 08└─Because MUH SIX MILLION!!!
[14:14:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score:2) 02Re:Remarkable - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 724 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:14:42] <exec> 08└─I wouldn't say they don't do anything useful. Intel's Haifa lab is the team that designed the core architecture which put Intel firmly back on top of the x86 heap. There are also numerous other companies there like Galil Motion and ACS motion. Though, I agree, I don't support their continued occupat...
[14:14:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:2) 02Re:Remarkable - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 242 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:14:44] <exec> 08└─Everyone felt bad for them after the holocaust and now they can do no wrong. Just saying you don't support Israel is enough to get you labeled an antisemitic and/or Nazi. It's amazing how such a smart group of people can be so fucking stupid.
[14:14:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03HiThere [866] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Remarkable - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 2041 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:14:46] <exec> 08└─Israel does many useful things. They are the source of numerous technical advances. Unfortunately, they also have a severe social problem that they seem unwilling to address. In their defense, I don't see how they could address it. They are a very small country surrounded by hostile foreigners. This...
[14:14:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Remarkable - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 182 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:14:49] <exec> 08└─What israel is today would make hitler green with envy. "You mean i could have killed whoever i wanted if i just screamed 'help i'm being oppressed!' the entire time?!?!?" Well shit.
[14:14:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02. globalization marches on - 06China Is Grappling With Hidden Unemployment - 218 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:14:58] <exec> 08└─China has developed into a service economy, but fear not. There are still underdeveloped continents to which manufacturing can be outsourced. Africa is mostly undeveloped, and Antarctica is almost entirely uninhabited.
[14:14:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) 02Re: . globalization marches on - 06China Is Grappling With Hidden Unemployment - 222 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:15:00] <exec> 08└─Interesting to watch, ain't it? I'm intrigued by what comes post-service-economy, myself. Eventually it'll all work out to who has the resources again but it's fun watching everyone try to pretend it's about anything else.
[14:15:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re: . globalization marches on - 06China Is Grappling With Hidden Unemployment - 123 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:15:02] <exec> 08└─Canada will win with all of its fresh water and low population density. Illegal Americaliens will be the scourge of Canada.
[14:15:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Re: . globalization marches on - 06China Is Grappling With Hidden Unemployment - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:15:04] <exec> 08└─Trudeau is going to build a wall, and get America to pay for it
[14:15:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:2) 02Re: . globalization marches on - 06China Is Grappling With Hidden Unemployment - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:15:07] <exec> 08└─Built out of Molson empties. Recycling!
[14:15:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) 02Re: . globalization marches on - 06China Is Grappling With Hidden Unemployment - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:15:09] <exec> 08└─Allow me to be the first to volunteer to empty all of the cans.
[14:15:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re: . globalization marches on - 06China Is Grappling With Hidden Unemployment - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:15:11] <exec> 08└─Cans are for tuna fish. Good beer comes in bottles.
[14:15:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re: . globalization marches on - 06China Is Grappling With Hidden Unemployment - 414 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:15:13] <exec> 08└─Canned beer is known to be superior: http://www.theatlantic.com [theatlantic.com] http://www.businessinsider.com [businessinsider.com] http://microbrewr.com
[14:15:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Re: . globalization marches on - 06China Is Grappling With Hidden Unemployment - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:15:15] <exec> 08└─Bottles are acceptable in a crunch, but great beer comes in kegs.
[14:15:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Re: . globalization marches on - 06China Is Grappling With Hidden Unemployment - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:15:17] <exec> 08└─Note that's kegs - not "a keg"
[14:15:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:2) 02Re: . globalization marches on - 06China Is Grappling With Hidden Unemployment - 66 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:15:20] <exec> 08└─...and it's served in portions like this [hofbrauhausnewport.com].
[14:15:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Re: . globalization marches on - 06China Is Grappling With Hidden Unemployment - 121 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:15:22] <exec> 08└─You've not lived until you've seen a buxom German barmaid bring 6x1 litre tankards in each hand across a crowded beerhall
[14:15:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:2) 02Re: . globalization marches on - 06China Is Grappling With Hidden Unemployment - 171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:15:24] <exec> 08└─Then I have lived. I confess what happened after those tankards arrived is hazy. There was a bit about people screaming Achtung! and a German shepherd chewing on my ankle.
[14:15:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:4, Interesting) 02Rings True - 06China Is Grappling With Hidden Unemployment - 1351 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:15:27] <exec> 08└─Communist China has a solid history of pretending when it comes to the economy. The Great Leap Forward, whereby every industry had to dramatically increase its output every year, was like that. My teacher was yanked out of college to go work in a lumber yard to help it make its quotas. They couldn't...
[14:15:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Flamebait) 02Re:Rings True - 06China Is Grappling With Hidden Unemployment - 404 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:15:29] <exec> 08└─> Communist China has a ... The number one way for someone talking about china to prove they should not be taken seriously is for them to call it "communist china." China hasn't been communist for at least 20 years now. The number of billionaires in China is second only to the number in the US. Any...
[14:15:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02You were right to put ''communist'' in quotes - 06China Is Grappling With Hidden Unemployment - 517 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:15:31] <exec> 08└─Now, having said that, when it comes to China, the input of Phoenix666 (with him having lived there) is what I trust above anyone else who posts here. China still has a "communist" party and, to get anything accomplished there, you still have to belong to "the party". Phoenix666 also noted that, out...
[14:15:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03zugedneb [4556] (Score:-1, Troll) 02Re:Rings True - 06China Is Grappling With Hidden Unemployment - 596 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:15:33] <exec> 08└─Why are you so stupid? Even if you are just a bot hanging around to make the matrix look real, you should not be so stupid... You can not just denigrate a thousand year old civilization... WTF, do you think that the communists, as organization, inherited some kind of dream scenario? They had no diff...
[14:15:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Rings True - 06China Is Grappling With Hidden Unemployment - 248 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:15:35] <exec> 08└─So I'm pretty sure it was the capitalists who dropped two a-bombs... And yes you can criticize any culture no matter how great they were for thousands of years. Your post has got problems, time to add another neural network to your logic processor.
[14:15:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Rings True - 06China Is Grappling With Hidden Unemployment - 265 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:15:37] <exec> 08└─Your post is mostly incomprehensible, zugedneb, but no civilization is safe from criticism. And as a civilization you rather tend to negate the gravitas of your longevity when you stage stuff like the Cultural Revolution to eradicate said thousand-year old culture.
[14:15:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Rings True - 06China Is Grappling With Hidden Unemployment - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:15:40] <exec> 08└─You can not just denigrate a thousand year old civilization...
[14:15:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Dunbal [3515] (Score:2) 02Sensible Chinese - 06China Is Grappling With Hidden Unemployment - 239 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:15:42] <exec> 08└─So what do you prefer - someone with a university degree sitting at home collecting welfare cheques America style, or someone with a university degree working in a manual labor job in a factory China style? Underemployment != unemployment.
[14:15:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Scruffy Beard 2 [6030] (Score:2) 02Re:Sensible Chinese - 06China Is Grappling With Hidden Unemployment - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:15:44] <exec> 08└─The problem with underemployment is that pay does not rise to compensate for the shorter work-weeks.
[14:15:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Sensible Chinese - 06China Is Grappling With Hidden Unemployment - 114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:15:46] <exec> 08└─pay rises are only necessary if you are ruled by a reserve bank insisting that inflation of prices is a good thing
[14:15:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Underemployment can be beneficial... - 06China Is Grappling With Hidden Unemployment - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:15:49] <exec> 08└─...says Chinese–Texan research. /article.pl?sid=16/09/21/0243256 [soylentnews.org]
[14:15:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Y'know what would be great? - 06China Is Grappling With Hidden Unemployment - 269 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:15:51] <exec> 08└─It would be really nice if folks who frequent tech-related sites would learn to form a proper hyperlink with proper link text. Underemployment Can Lead to Creativity and Organizational Commitment, According to Study [soylentnews.org] -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[14:15:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Y'know what would be great? - 06China Is Grappling With Hidden Unemployment - 86 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:15:53] <exec> 08└─My link is perfectly cromulent. I find it quicker to type <URL:> than <A href=""></A>.
[14:15:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Trump says the Chinese are kicking our butt - 06China Is Grappling With Hidden Unemployment - 160 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:15:55] <exec> 08└─And that's why we're losing manufacturing jobs. You mean they're losing manufacturing jobs too? Maybe China needs to build a wall on their border with Viet Nam.
[14:15:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03JNCF [4317] (Score:4, Funny) 02Re:Trump says the Chinese are kicking our butt - 06China Is Grappling With Hidden Unemployment - 64 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:15:57] <exec> 08└─Maybe China needs to build a wall on their border with Viet Nam.
[14:15:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03arslan [3462] (Score:3, Touché) 02Re:Trump says the Chinese are kicking our butt - 06China Is Grappling With Hidden Unemployment - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:15:59] <exec> 08└─You're approaching this all wrong. You should suggest they hire Trump and make him their President. You know, 2 birds 1 stone...
[14:16:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Google be taken our jerbs! - 06Google Upgrades Chinese-English Translation with "Neural Machine Translation" - 188 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:16:10] <exec> 08└─China produces everything and America consumes everything and Google just took the jerbs of the people who been translating Chinese labels into English labels for American idiot consumers!
[14:16:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Francis [5544] (Score:1) 02Re:Google be taken our jerbs! - 06Google Upgrades Chinese-English Translation with "Neural Machine Translation" - 675 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:16:12] <exec> 08└─Mostly Chinese people and if you're lucky there's been a foreigner checking it afterwards, but usually not. But, only an idiot uses Google translate for any sort of serious translation work. At best, it's a quick look. For best results, you have to use the word order for the foreign language in orde...
[14:16:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Multiple futures - 06Google Upgrades Chinese-English Translation with "Neural Machine Translation" - 87 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:16:14] <exec> 08└─The system doesn't know the difference between the future perfect and future continuous
[14:16:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Multiple futures - 06Google Upgrades Chinese-English Translation with "Neural Machine Translation" - 141 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:16:16] <exec> 08└─Apply now to be a White House intern and you will have two possible futures. You will give head in both futures, but will it be cock or clam?
[14:16:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Multiple futures - 06Google Upgrades Chinese-English Translation with "Neural Machine Translation" - 32 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:16:18] <exec> 08└─You forgot the Reptilian future.
[14:16:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Multiple futures - 06Google Upgrades Chinese-English Translation with "Neural Machine Translation" - 48 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:16:21] <exec> 08└─In this case the clam is a sub-set of Reptilian.
[14:16:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Multiple futures - 06Google Upgrades Chinese-English Translation with "Neural Machine Translation" - 35 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:16:23] <exec> 08└─How about machine translating this?
[14:16:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Francis [5544] (Score:1) 02Re:Multiple futures - 06Google Upgrades Chinese-English Translation with "Neural Machine Translation" - 454 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:16:25] <exec> 08└─Unless you're an English teacher or learned English as a secondary language, you probably wouldn't know the difference explicitly, but you almost certainly know the difference implicitly. Perfect just means that the action has been completed and continuous means that it's still in progress. I'm not...
[14:16:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Multiple futures - 06Google Upgrades Chinese-English Translation with "Neural Machine Translation" - 454 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:16:27] <exec> 08└─Unless you're an English teacher or learned English as a secondary language, you probably wouldn't know the difference explicitly, but you almost certainly know the difference implicitly. Perfect just means that the action has been completed and continuous means that it's still in progress. I'm not...
[14:16:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03schad [2398] (Score:2) 02Re:Multiple futures - 06Google Upgrades Chinese-English Translation with "Neural Machine Translation" - 55 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:16:29] <exec> 08└─For the past ten minutes, I have been kicking the ball.
[14:16:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03HiThere [866] (Score:2) 02Re:Multiple futures - 06Google Upgrades Chinese-English Translation with "Neural Machine Translation" - 191 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:16:31] <exec> 08└─15 minutes from now I will have been kicking the ball. I hope that tomorrow I will look back on kicking the ball with pleasure. 15 minutes from now I ought to have been kicking the ball. etc.
[14:16:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:3, Funny) 02Awesome power - 06Google Upgrades Chinese-English Translation with "Neural Machine Translation" - 44 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:16:34] <exec> 08└─It make very good change word. Thanks chief!
[14:16:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03gringer [962] (Score:2) 02Greetings to the day! - 06Google Upgrades Chinese-English Translation with "Neural Machine Translation" - 111 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:16:36] <exec> 08└─I really like this translation service. I am looking forward to many messages and inspiring spam in the future.
[14:16:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Francis [5544] (Score:1) 02Re:Greetings to the day! - 06Google Upgrades Chinese-English Translation with "Neural Machine Translation" - 1049 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:16:38] <exec> 08└─I think there should be an equivalent test to the Turing test for automatic tran 55cb slators. Basically, when the translations are able to beat that of a human translation. That being said, I've been messing around in the new translator for the last couple minutes and the results seem to be much im...
[14:16:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Re:Greetings to the day! - 06Google Upgrades Chinese-English Translation with "Neural Machine Translation" - 289 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:16:40] <exec> 08└─Dear Sir, I being only son of bullet behind head Chinese billionaire Shi YinPing, and need the assistance in transfer of the 253.12 MILLION JIAO AND 6 FEN. You get the 15% for your invaluable help. Please send details for the bank's the account so we may debute transfer. Love Shi Ske Bab.
[14:16:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03KritonK [465] (Score:2) 02Doesn't work - 06Google Upgrades Chinese-English Translation with "Neural Machine Translation" - 184 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:16:42] <exec> 08└─If i input 我隻氣墊船裝滿晒鱔 which I am assured [omniglot.com] means "my hovercraft is full of eels", I get: I only hovercraft filled with eel. It leaves a lot to be desired.
[14:16:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Francis [5544] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Doesn't work - 06Google Upgrades Chinese-English Translation with "Neural Machine Translation" - 245 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:16:44] <exec> 08└─Looks like the original Chinese isn't right. The second character is wrong, it should be "我的氣墊船裝滿晒鱔" if you type that into the translator you get almost exactly the translation you would expect, and arguably completely correct.
[14:16:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Doesn't work - 06Google Upgrades Chinese-English Translation with "Neural Machine Translation" - 249 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:16:47] <exec> 08└─That's a problem with machine translations. If one character is off a machine destroys the entire sentence. A human, like yourself, can tell it was a minor mistake and can still correctly translate the intent. So the machines still need improvement.
[14:16:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03jdavidb [5690] (Score:2) 02Re:Doesn't work - 06Google Upgrades Chinese-English Translation with "Neural Machine Translation" - 106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:16:49] <exec> 08└─That's a problem with machine translations. If one character is off a machine destroys the entire sentence
[14:16:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Francis [5544] (Score:1) 02Re:Doesn't work - 06Google Upgrades Chinese-English Translation with "Neural Machine Translation" - 397 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:16:51] <exec> 08└─Chinese is particularly problematic because they haven't discovered spaces between words. As a result word segmentation issues abound. Most other languages have them. It's rather inefficient to have to mentally insert white space when reading and makes it hard to identify words. Making things worse,...
[14:16:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03darkfeline [1030] (Score:2) 02Re:Doesn't work - 06Google Upgrades Chinese-English Translation with "Neural Machine Translation" - 317 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:16:53] <exec> 08└─That's a false premise though. Not all human Chinese speakers would have caught that error, and many Chinese speakers are functionally illiterate. Comparing the best of human performance against the worst of computer performance is hardly fair, and is denial at best, of the frightening potential of...
[14:16:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03moondrake [2658] (Score:2) 02Re:Doesn't work - 06Google Upgrades Chinese-English Translation with "Neural Machine Translation" - 540 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:16:56] <exec> 08└─Well..there is Chinese and there is Chinese. I am by no means fluent but would translate the sentence as google did, even although I end up with nonsense (as if the original made much sense...). Then I followed your link and saw you copied a Cantonese sentence... Often the writing has roughly the sa...
[14:16:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:Doesn't work - 06Google Upgrades Chinese-English Translation with "Neural Machine Translation" - 673 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:16:58] <exec> 08└─It would seem to count for both Simplified and Traditional, but it may not even work for the reverse English-Chinese pair yet. Another thing that could muddy the waters is that certain simple sentences seem to have been pre-checked by the "community": https://translate.google.com
[14:16:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Wow! Google has invented the computing cyborg? - 06Google Upgrades Chinese-English Translation with "Neural Machine Translation" - 233 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:17:00] <exec> 08└─How else would you explain that they can harness a Neural network but to assume that the Borg have finally arrived and they are Google? Sincerely, Somebody who's involved in actual neuroscience IT, not virtual computer "neural" crap.
[14:17:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Touché) 02Neat! - 06A Source for Recent DDoS Attacks - 107 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:17:10] <exec> 08└─Well there goes the internet; it was a bad idea while it lasted, and such a simple TCP attack destroyed it.
[14:17:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Farkus888 [5159] (Score:2) 02Mitigation - 06A Source for Recent DDoS Attacks - 370 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:17:13] <exec> 08└─Does anyone have a plan for not being a part of one of these botnets? Is it better than just doing the updates and monitoring outbound traffic at the router? Routing rules that keep traffic from crossing the router to or from those devices defeat the purpose of having them so that is out. Not having...
[14:17:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03ticho [89] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Mitigation - 06A Source for Recent DDoS Attacks - 437 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:17:15] <exec> 08└─No, routing rules (or firewall rules) that by default keep traffic away from those devices are a damn good idea. Unless you're running a public service on them, keep them isolated. Just add rules that only a 2000 llow _legitimate_ traffic to and from these devices. Also important is to restrict any...
[14:17:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimshatt [978] (Score:2) 02Re:Mitigation - 06A Source for Recent DDoS Attacks - 284 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:17:17] <exec> 08└─Some of those devices do automatic updates, which require internet connectivity. But the firewall could be restricted to only allow communication between the device and the update server. Of course, automatic updates are an attack vector as well, but not updating could also be risky.
[14:17:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03zocalo [302] (Score:4, Interesting) 02Re:Mitigation - 06A Source for Recent DDoS Attacks - 853 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:17:19] <exec> 08└─A lot of these devices also upload data to the cloud for various reasons, not least of which is monetizing your data for the vendor. Needless to say, most of the vendors don't pick the big players like Amazon, Google and Microsoft for the cloud services provider, no, they pick the cheapest one. Good...
[14:17:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Farkus888 [5159] (Score:2) 02Re:Mitigation - 06A Source for Recent DDoS Attacks - 920 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:17:21] <exec> 08└─A large part of the reason for IOT devices is checking in and making changes while away from home. Smart routing rules are a possibility depending on how predictable your IOT devices are but walling them off from the internet in general defeats the purpose of buying them. Just as an example, a smart...
[14:17:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03baldrick [352] (Score:1) 02Re:Mitigation - 06A Source for Recent DDoS Attacks - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:17:23] <exec> 08└─when I used to set up IPcams they were behind a router with a openVPN server running on it
[14:17:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03ticho [89] (Score:2) 02Re:Mitigation - 06A Source for Recent DDoS Attacks - 233 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:17:26] <exec> 08└─Nobody is forcing you to buy "Things" that are impossible to use securely. Also, you can either keep finding excuses why it's difficult to secure them, and why it's not worth it to even try, or you can try finding a way how to do it.
[14:17:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Mitigation - 06A Source for Recent DDoS Attacks - 358 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:17:28] <exec> 08└─Hear, hear. I think if I ever wanted to go IoT and give every lightbulb in the house an IPv6, I'd have to roll my own. Been looking at electronic/computing maker stuff lately thanks to a few links dropped elsewhere on this site and damn. Might be a bit bulky, but hell, it'd be secure and functional...
[14:17:29] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03zocalo [302] 02Re:Mitigation - 06A Source for Recent DDoS Attacks - 2883 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:17:30] <exec> 08└─I have a few devices that might be considered "IoT" - e.g. IP enabled and not a traditional computer or peripheral. My approach has been to put them on their own SSID/VLAN with a default deny policy on all outbound traffic, then whitelist what is required. Inbound access to this network is only perm...
[14:17:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Farkus888 [5159] (Score:2) 02Re:Mitigati 1000 on - 06A Source for Recent DDoS Attacks - 443 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:17:32] <exec> 08└─Network is right in my job title and I don't want to do any of that for my home network. Right now I periodically check outbound traffic when the network is idle, thankfully they aren't doing amplification much any more. An IDS could automate that and notify me but then I have to configure and manag...
[14:17:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Flamebait) 02Re:Mitigation - 06A Source for Recent DDoS Attacks - 35 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:17:34] <exec> 08└─potentially adding lag to my games.
[14:17:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03zocalo [302] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Mitigation - 06A Source for Recent DDoS Attacks - 1002 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:17:36] <exec> 08└─I don't *want* to do it either, but I think the sad state of privacy and security affairs make it necessary to try, and it wasn't too hard in my case as I have a decent router & AP setup that does all the necessary bits - VPN termination, multiple VLANs & SSIDs, firewalling and wireless device isola...
[14:17:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Scruffy Beard 2 [6030] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Mitigation - 06A Source for Recent DDoS Attacks - 323 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:17:38] <exec> 08└─If you are putting a computer in the line anyway, use it as the router: it will probably be faster than whatever CPU your router uses. Of course, there is still technically some more latency if you disable DHCP and use the router as a switch. However, I suspect the extra routing speed of your comput...
[14:17:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Mitigation - 06A Source for Recent DDoS Attacks - 79 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:17:41] <exec> 08└─for your question at the end: Nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure.
[14:17:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Mitigation - 06A Source for Recent DDoS Attacks - 26 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:17:43] <exec> 08└─A bucket of brine will do.
[14:17:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score:2) 02Re:Mitigation - 06A Source for Recent DDoS Attacks - 170 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:17:45] <exec> 08└─Interesting setup. What router hardware and software are you using? "How would you fix the IoT problem?" might be a good idea for an "Ask Soylent", come to think of it...
[14:17:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Mitigation - 06A Source for Recent DDoS Attacks - 174 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:17:47] <exec> 08└─Yes, the plan is to have 128kbps of bandwidth. Anything unauthorized is immediately noticeable because it eats all the available bandwidth. Then you hunt it down and kill it.
[14:17:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03rob_on_earth [5485] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Mitigation - 06A Source for Recent DDoS Attacks - 225 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:17:49] <exec> 08└─"Anything unauthorized is immediately noticeable because it eats all the available bandwidth." and find it's an iOS or XBOX one update or maybe a new free version of windows, or all three which are targeting multiple devices.
[14:17:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02Re:Mitigation - 06A Source for Recent DDoS Attacks - 1258 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:17:52] <exec> 08└─you want mitigation? isolate the camera to a separate vlan, that is not accessible from outside. Make a box with two network cards, put one input from the super secure vlan in the box, and a normal uplink from your insecure vlan. Connect to the box remotely, look at whatever, disconnect. For extra s...
[14:17:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02Re:Mitigation - 06A Source for Recent DDoS Attacks - 731 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:17:54] <exec> 08└─> Does anyone have a plan for not being a part of one of these botnets? In my spare time I've been working on a product that is sort of a "firewall as a service" - all of the devices that are not speed or latency critical get their traffic sent to a central "router in the cloud." At that point we do...
[14:17:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Re:Mitigation - 06A Source for Recent DDoS Attacks - 373 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:17:56] <exec> 08└─Easy: Change the password! Really. The botnet guys don't bother to run advanced cracking techniques. Using the default passwords for various devices, which are often blank, you can build an army of little bots. If you don't have the default passwords, or are behind a basic firewall, then your bandwi...
[14:17:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02What if there are a million bears? - 06A Source for Recent DDoS Attacks - 416 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:17:58] <exec> 08└─> Remember: You don't have to outrun the bear... It doesn't work like that online. All it takes is to find one exploit and then that exploit can be automated to attack hundreds of millions of devices. Changing the default password just stops the laziest attackers. But a default password is function...
[14:17:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03mcgrew [701] (Score:4, Interesting) 02Re:Mitigation - 06A Source for Recent DDoS Attacks - 252 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:18:00] <exec> 08└─Yes, don't put your car, fridge, furnace, stove on the internet. IoT is a stupid idea for most things. Security cameras? Yeah, they need the internet. Perhaps there should be a hefty fine for producing internet things with poor or nonexistant security?
[14:18:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Touché) 02Re:Mitigation - 06A Source for Recent DDoS Attacks - 251 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:18:03] <exec> 08└─Nope, I'll count on getting more bandwidth, greater redundancy, and less personal responsibility for what happens in my local network. That'll take care of it. Well, that's been the Internet's collective answer on how to deal with it so far, isn't it?
[14:18:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03dmc [188] (Score:2) 02No Shirt, No Shoes, No service. - 06A Source for Recent DDoS Attacks - 491 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:18:05] <exec> 08└─Is it reasonable to be notified by your ISP (who was notified by a victim) that you have a malfunctioning device, and that if you want to use it on their network you are going to have to get it fixed? Sort of like if the bottom of your bowling shoes were so scratched up that they were damaging the f...
[14:18:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Farkus888 [5159] (Score:2) 02Re:No Shirt, No Shoes, No service. - 06A Source for Recent DDoS Attacks - 465 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:18:07] <exec> 08└─Port scan a big range of IPs and Comcast will notify you, or at least they used to. I don't let noobs have as long a leash with nmap any more. This looks like there was a lot of SYN flooding in this attack, unless I am misreading the broken English. There are toys to close those connections if you a...
[14:18:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03timbim [907] (Score:2) 02You'd think - 06A Source for Recent DDoS Attacks - 228 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:18:09] <exec> 08└─You'd think they come up with a way to mitigate this without violating net neutrality, either at the isp level or at the server network. What about a dns system that rotates ip's for the server? or is it much more complicated...
[14:18:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03EQ [1716] (Score:2) 02Why not regulate end points? - 06A Source for Recent DDoS Attacks - 267 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:18:12] <exec> 08└─If a device is identified as part of a bot net, then the ISP should be required to black hole that device/IP until the owner fixes it. Same way unsafe vehicles are banned from using the highway as a danger to others and interfering with the functioning of the system.
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[15:01:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03pe1rxq [844] (Score:2) 02Re:The problem with this approach - 06Four States Sue to Stop Transfer of ICANN Oct. 1 - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:01:54] <exec> 08└─Since it is a list of one the US is currently also the worst at administering domain names and IP addresses.....
[15:01:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The problem with this approach - 06Four States Sue to Stop Transfer of ICANN Oct. 1 - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:01:57] <exec> 08└─direct constitutional authority or congress approved law
[15:01:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03tisI [5866] (Score:1) 02Re:The problem with this approach - 06Four States Sue to Stop Transfer of ICANN Oct. 1 - 185 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:02:00] <exec> 08└─Oh, but it sounds important if they drag the constitution into this. Kind of like sabre rattling before a war. The unwashed masses don't know that these assholes have NO authority here.
[15:02:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score:2) 02Re:The problem with this approach - 06Four States Sue to Stop Transfer of ICANN Oct. 1 - 3093 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:02:02] <exec> 08└─from the current U.S. constitution (emphasis mine): The Congress shall have power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be...
[15:02:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03bradley13 [3053] (Score:2) 02Re:The problem with this approach - 06Four States Sue to Stop Transfer of ICANN Oct. 1 - 339 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:02:04] <exec> 08└─"The Constitution only grants specific, limited, powers to the federal government and reserves everything else for the states." You have got to be kidding [tellwut.com]. The Wikipedia article listing of all the federal agencies [wikipedia.org] (4741 words) is literally longer than the text of the Co...
[15:02:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03tisI [5866] (Score:1) 02Re:The problem with this approach - 06Four States Sue to Stop Transfer of ICANN Oct. 1 - 509 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:02:06] <exec> 08└─Yeah, I was choking on that point too. The US doesn't "own" the internet. What part of the constitution is being threatened, and since when has any republican ever respected the American constitution? CRAB surely didn't as well as any other republican sodomite before or since. It's election season....
[15:02:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score:2) 02Re:What? - 06Four States Sue to Stop Transfer of ICANN Oct. 1 - 86 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:02:09] <exec> 08└─Heh. Maybe it's the notion of ICANN having that much power that they find distasteful.
[15:02:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Fnord666 [652] (Score:2) 02Re:What? - 06Four States Sue to Stop Transfer of ICANN Oct. 1 - 86 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:02:11] <exec> 08└─Heh. Maybe it's the notion of ICANN having that much power that they find distasteful.
[15:02:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:What? - 06Four States Sue to Stop Transfer of ICANN Oct. 1 - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:02:14] <exec> 08└─Selectively enabling speech is censorship. That's the entire argument for net neutrality.
[15:02:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02not enough datamining? - 06Four States Sue to Stop Transfer of ICANN Oct. 1 - 102 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:02:16] <exec> 08└─current practices often foster a lack of transparency that, in turn, allows illegal activity to occur.
[15:02:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:What to do for a network upgrade? - 06Here Comes 5Gbps Networking Over Standard Cables - 306 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:02:36] <exec> 08└─Until this, there was no real use for Cat6. I did a Cat5e wiring and am very happy with it; supposing I get this hardware, I could then do 2.5 Gbps. If I wanted to. If you seriously think that high speed networking will be useful for you, and you are willing to put up with the extra cable bulk, use...
[15:02:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03butthurt [6141] (Score:2) 02Re:What to do for a network upgrade? - 06Here Comes 5Gbps Networking Over Standard Cables - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:02:38] <exec> 08└─pictures: http://etherealmind.com [etherealmind.com]
[15:02:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:What to do for a network upgrade? - 06Here Comes 5Gbps Networking Over Standard Cables - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:02:40] <exec> 08└─I'm in the same situation as you, and will likely use Cat 6A. If I'm stringing stuff through the walls I may as well use a damn good cable.
[15:02:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02cat6 is a lot harder to string through the walls - 06Here Comes 5Gbps Networking Over Standard Cables - 307 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:02:42] <exec> 08└─Just know that cat6 is a lot harder to string through the walls than cat5. It is significantly less bendy. Yes, that's a technical term. It probably doesn't make much difference if you are wiring new construction. But retrofitting into walls that are already sheetrocked is going to be even more unpl...
[15:02:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03agentcooper [460] (Score:1) 02Re:What to do for a network upgrade? - 06Here Comes 5Gbps Networking Over Standard Cables - 1439 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:02:44] <exec> 08└─I design large networks for a living so I'll make an alternate suggestion that may work better for a home user. The tools, patch panels and keystones required for very high speed copper connections are expensive and require a lot of training in order to install something that will pass cable certifi...
[15:02:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Does it really get those speeds? - 06Here Comes 5Gbps Networking Over Standard Cables - 169 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:02:46] <exec> 08└─It seems that 1Gb/sec devices never even come close to getting 1Gb/sec over Ethernet. So will these new standards actually come close to getting their advertised speeds?
[15:03:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02free links - 06Lenovo, Intel, PayPal and Synaptics Team up on Password-Free Authentication - 728 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:03:09] <exec> 08└─why are "we" giving free links to lenovo, intel and paypal? none of them deserve it. lenovo is shilling(or actively working for) for microsoft with this yoga raid driver bullshit and still uses other outrageous tactics to like bios/uefi whitelists for wwan modems. Intel should have made a driver for...
[15:03:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The reasons it has to die... - 06UPDATE: Rosetta to Finish its Slow Descent to Comet's Surface Friday Morning - SIGNAL LOST - 339 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:03:44] <exec> 08└─*sigh* Very well. your gyro [metabunk.org] your telescope [metabunk.org] Why not get one of these gyros [kinggyros.com], point your telescope at the stars, and take in the vast, incomprehensibly mind-bogglingly huge majesty of God's creation? Perhaps find a dark sky park [darksky.org] you can get to...
[15:03:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03kurenai.tsubasa [5227] (Score:1) 02Re:The reasons it has to die... - 06UPDATE: Rosetta to Finish its Slow Descent to Comet's Surface Friday Morning - SIGNAL LOST - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:03:47] <exec> 08└─That's what the lizard people want you to believe, coppertop! The moon matrix… has… you!
[15:04:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:What we have here is a failure to... - 06Federal Prosecutors Actually Charge an IT Firm with H1-B Visa Fraud - 75 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:04:03] <exec> 08└─My first thought was "Wonder who he pissed off", but yours is close enough.
[15:04:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02conspiracy to harbor aliens - 06Federal Prosecutors Actually Charge an IT Firm with H1-B Visa Fraud - 18 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:04:09] <exec> 08└─I want to believe!
[15:04:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Fnord666 [652] (Score:2) 02Token Prosecution - 06Federal Prosecutors Actually Charge an IT Firm with H1-B Visa Fraud - 164 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:04:11] <exec> 08└─Nothing like a token prosecution to let the Feds claim they are "cracking down" on H-1B fraud. I'll believe the Feds are serious when they charge someone like Tata.
[15:05:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03DutchUncle [5370] (Score:2) 02Re:Politics ... - 06Caves in Which Jewish Rebels Hid from Romans 2,000 Years Ago Found in Galilee - 306 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:05:21] <exec> 08└─It doesn't take any scholarship; just read the Old Testament and it says very clearly that the land was already inhabited. After the exodus from Egypt, heading in the right direction, scouts were afraid of the inhabitants, which is why they went for a 40-year "basic training march" in the wrong dire...
[15:05:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheReaperD [5556] (Score:2) 02There's obviously more - 06Kim Dotcom’s Extradition Appeal Concludes - 704 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:05:43] <exec> 08└─There's obviously more here that's not being said and there's a real reason why they want him so badly but, unlike Julian Assange, we have no idea what it is. Makes me wonder if there's classified material, either the belonging to the US or one of its adversaries that they really don't want getting...
[15:06:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Tara Li [6248] (Score:1) 02Re:Meh? - 06Making Space Rocket Fuel From Water Could Drive a Power Revolution on Earth - 742 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:06:44] <exec> 08└─Indeed. The Dawn Probe lifted off with about 425 kg of Xenon for its mission. It made two asteroid rendezvous and one orbit escape on it, plus a Mars gravity slingshot, plus other assorted orbital adjustments and maneuvering. I'm thinking ... Musk's Interplanetary Transporter, attached to a station...
[15:06:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Meh? - 06Making Space Rocket Fuel From Water Could Drive a Power Revolution on Earth - 1504 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:06:48] <exec> 08└─Careful there -- tanks have considerable mass themselve. One water tank and two tiny propellant tanks, vs. two big cryo tanks, that's quite possibly a mass savings, if the tiny tanks are small enough. Electrolysis equipment adds mass, so at least initially it's almost certainly a net loss, but it's...
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[16:02:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03slinches [5049] (Score:2) 02Re:The problem with this approach - 06Four States Sue to Stop Transfer of ICANN Oct. 1 - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:02:01] <exec> 08└─That's true, but it would take a ruling by the courts to overturn the law. Until that happened it would be legal.
[16:02:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03slinches [5049] (Score:2) 02Re:The problem with this approach - 06Four States Sue to Stop Transfer of ICANN Oct. 1 - 131 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:02:04] <exec> 08└─That first sentence applies to everything below. Congress has powers to make laws. They didn't make a law to authorize this action.
[16:02:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03bradley13 [3053] (Score:2) 02Re:The problem with this approach - 06Four States Sue to Stop Transfer of ICANN Oct. 1 - 1367 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:02:06] <exec> 08└─Ah, the great debate: what does "general welfare" mean? Some of the founders claimed that this term was implicitly defined by the list of everything else that follows this introductory paragraph. That is to say: the general welfare includes borrowing money, regulating commerce, establishing rules fo...
[16:02:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03slinches [5049] (Score:2) 02Re:The problem with this approach - 06Four States Sue to Stop Transfer of ICANN Oct. 1 - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:02:09] <exec> 08└─Yeah, blatant disregard for the Constitution is blatant.
[16:02:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Blah Blah Blah - 06Four States Sue to Stop Transfer of ICANN Oct. 1 - 611 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:02:16] <exec> 08└─I can't believe you fools are falling for wanker_monkey's bullshit. His entire shtick is to nit-pick some phrase from the summary and make like it is a big deal when it doesn't mean shit. Here's the full sentence from the actual complaint: [discourse.net] 37. In this case, NTIA intends to delegate...
[16:02:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02They're going to build a wall! - 06Four States Sue to Stop Transfer of ICANN Oct. 1 - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:02:20] <exec> 08└─If it came to a split in the internet between america and the world, I think I'll go with the world.
[16:02:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:2) 02Re:They're going to build a wall! - 06Four States Sue to Stop Transfer of ICANN Oct. 1 - 205 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:02:22] <exec> 08└─Which version of "The World"? There already are attempts at splitting off the Internet by national borders, e.g. the Great Firewall of China. Those aren't completely working, but they are certainly trying.
[16:02:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03ledow [5567] (Score:2) 02Re:Does it really get those speeds? - 06Here Comes 5Gbps Networking Over Standard Cables - 1997 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:02:48] <exec> 08└─Because: a) People confuse gigabits and gigabytes (that's gigabit cable can only do 128Mbytes / second). b) People use cheap cable and connectors not to spec (yes, even the connectors, crimps, patches etc. have to be standardised too). c) People run the cable past mains cable, noisy electrical fitti...
[16:03:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The reasons it has to die... - 06UPDATE: Rosetta to Finish its Slow Descent to Comet's Surface Friday Morning - SIGNAL LOST - 846 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:03:48] <exec> 08└─So what is your point, besides that you like greek food and have a bad humor taste? That the gyroscope does not detect any motion because "of friction" (but foucault's pendulum has no friction problems, according to some "expert" on the site you quoted no doubt as clever as you), and that the lack o...
[16:03:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The reasons it has to die... - 06UPDATE: Rosetta to Finish its Slow Descent to Comet's Surface Friday Morning - SIGNAL LOST - 121 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:03:49] <exec> 08└─point your telescope at the stars, and take in the vast, incomprehensibly mind-bogglingly huge majesty of God's creation?
[16:05:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Sulla [5173] (Score:2) 02Gravity battery - 06New Wind Turbines Could Power Japan for 50 Years after a Single Typhoon - 211 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:05:15] <exec> 08└─These turbines in combination with http://www.designweneed.com [designweneed.com] might be a nice way to store up some quick access power without taking away from normal baseline operations.
[16:07:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02still don't get it - 06City of Moscow to Ditch 600k MSFT Exchange and Outlook Licences - 309 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:07:38] <exec> 08└─sounds like they still don't get it. they're going to move to some local slaveware peddler or GPL violator instead? they could use FLOSS options and contribute to same. You would think countries like russia and china would be all in on FLOSS. just shows how institutionally stupid most(?)/all governm...
[16:08:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Not A Security Feature - 06HP to Issue “Optional Firmware Update” Allowing 3rd-Party Ink - 563 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:08:00] <exec> 08└─while i understand your point, it's not completely true. they still continue on with the old ibm practice of using bios/uefi whitelists to only allow "their"(relicensed and rebranded) wwan modems. they sell you a computer with an minipci slot and then they go out of their way to cripple it with bios...
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[17:01:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score:2) 02Good! - 06Conservation Law Foundation Follows Through on its Threat to Sue ExxonMobil - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:01:33] <exec> 08└─Yay! Hallelujah! About time! Great! Shiny! Crackin' Good job! Ummmmm..... Wonderful?
[17:01:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02conservation?! - 06Conservation Law Foundation Follows Through on its Threat to Sue ExxonMobil - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:01:34] <exec> 08└─Conservation is an anti-conservative plot!
[17:01:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02They should sue the Republican Party - 06Conservation Law Foundation Follows Through on its Threat to Sue ExxonMobil - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:01:36] <exec> 08└─The Koch brothers, and the right wing media instead. But not Donald Trump because he's too stupid to know better.
[17:01:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] (Score:2) 02how to stop anti-social corporate behavior - 06Conservation Law Foundation Follows Through on its Threat to Sue ExxonMobil - 1443 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:01:39] <exec> 08└─Big Oil's greed and callousness may ultimately be far more damaging than anything any other industry has ever done, and they've pulled plenty of whoppers. Next to most of the planet's major coastal cities drowned, millions of people forced to relocate and going hungry when crops fail thanks to clima...
[17:01:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03pkrasimirov [3358] (Score:2) 02Cool - 0614,000-Year-Old Campsite in Argentina Adds to an Archaeological Mystery - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:01:46] <exec> 08└─Awesome. I hope they find DNA and can reconstruct what these guys looked like.
[17:02:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The problem with this approach - 06Four States Sue to Stop Transfer of ICANN Oct. 1 - 166 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:02:06] <exec> 08└─You have got to be kidding. The Wikipedia article listing of all the federal agencies (4741 words) is literally longer than the text of the Constitution (4505 words).
[17:02:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:2) 02Re:Blah Blah Blah - 06Four States Sue to Stop Transfer of ICANN Oct. 1 - 135 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:02:13] <exec> 08└─I never said it was a big deal. Not every comment is required to be insightful or informative, and this one was not meant to be either.
[17:02:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:ez bz - 06Here Comes 5Gbps Networking Over Standard Cables - 41 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:02:34] <exec> 08└─Best? Not really. It's just a token ring.
[17:02:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Re:Hold on a second... - 06Here Comes 5Gbps Networking Over Standard Cables - 137 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:02:38] <exec> 08└─Actually, it doesn't, especially if you mostly transfer small packets. The transport is not 10Gb/s, and the payload is not 10Gb/s /pedant
[17:02:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Does it really get those speeds? - 06Here Comes 5Gbps Networking Over Standard Cables - 165 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:02:47] <exec> 08└─Huh? I regularly get 1Gbps or close enough. What are you doing? Using really small packets? Or transferring to/fro the "Cloud"? Or actually using WiFi at some point?
[17:02:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Maxing out is easy nowadays - 06Here Comes 5Gbps Networking Over Standard Cables - 135 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:02:49] <exec> 08└─I'm curious if there are any Soylentils who are already maxing out their gigabit networks, and if so, what are you doing to max it out?
[17:03:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03opinionated_science [4031] (Score:2) 02biometrics and US constitution.... - 06Lenovo, Intel, PayPal and Synaptics Team up on Password-Free Authentication - 132 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:03:13] <exec> 08└─So the police/govt can compel your fingerprint but not your password. I think that killed biometrics quite effectively (for me!) ...
[17:03:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The reasons it has to die... - 06UPDATE: Rosetta to Finish its Slow Descent to Comet's Surface Friday Morning - SIGNAL LOST - 188 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:03:51] <exec> 08└─I see my imaginary sky fairy every time I look at the Cosmos, no matter how large or how small the scale. Stars and galaxies are interesting. Atoms and molecules and cells are fascinating.
[17:04:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02Why the condemnation? - 06Federal Prosecutors Actually Charge an IT Firm with H1-B Visa Fraud - 737 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:04:17] <exec> 08└─Why is SN condemning this action? Assuming it is true (remember, innocent until proven guilty), then this is absolutely reprehensible behavior and should be prosecuted. Personally I'm more concerned with a different type of H1-B visa fraud (not-hiring, or outright firing, legal workers just to get H...
[17:04:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03GreatAuntAnesthesia [3275] (Score:2) 02Re:It uses Hydrogen. Right! - 06World's First 4-Seater Fuel-Cell Plane Takes off in Germany - 1037 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:04:56] <exec> 08└─Hydrogen is a PITA, I can't see it gaining mass acceptance for anything other than niche applications. I wonder if a diesel hybrid wouldn't have been a better engineering choice or even environmental choice than a hydrogen hybrid, even if superficially the hydrogen one will superficially look greene...
[17:05:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03TrentDavey [1526] (Score:1) 02Re:Gravity battery - 06New Wind Turbines Could Power Japan for 50 Years after a Single Typhoon - 479 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:05:22] <exec> 08└─Neat concept but no mention of the size/depth of the tubes or mass of the weights. Is it the size of a drilled water well or more like a dug well (manhole sized) and is the mass like a person or a small/large car etc. One can also store mechanical energy via a fly wheel in many different ways: http:...
[17:05:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:There's obviously more - 06Kim Dotcom’s Extradition Appeal Concludes - 910 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:05:55] <exec> 08└─He's convenient for their purposes. 1) He's not a US citizen and like he says, he was never in the US etc. He's someone else. 2) He's not exactly squeakly clean and many people don't like him. Or maybe he scared the music industry a bit too much and so they asked their pals to go heavy on him? After...
[17:06:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:An alternative on Earth? - 06Making Space Rocket Fuel From Water Could Drive a Power Revolution on Earth - 174 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:06:29] <exec> 08└─How much more expensive and difficult would it be to go all the way to hexane or similar? Storing and transporting liquid hydrocarbons should be even easier than for methane.
[17:06:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Geotti [1146] (Score:2) 02Re:Meh? - 06Making Space Rocket Fuel From Water Could Drive a Power Revolution on Earth - 47 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:06:41] <exec> 08└─Just carry a portable nuclear reactor with you?
[17:08:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Immerman [3985] (Score:2) 02Re:How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 285 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:08:31] <exec> 08└─It may indeed just be the new cost - but every increase in cost discourages partaking in more marginal activities, so it's still a win. And the course of the world is change by many small victories - for all the hoopla, the large victories usually prove to be more form than substance.
[17:10:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Sensible Chinese - 06China Is Grappling With Hidden Unemployment - 114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:10:14] <exec> 08└─Basic Income will look like a mix of both? The latter if you want/need more than what Basic Income would give you.
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[18:01:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03fishybell [3156] (Score:2) 02Science lies! - 06Detailed Observations of Galaxy Rotation Challenge Dark Matter - 123 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:01:45] <exec> 08└─Look! Scientists completely fail to understand the universe in the is one aspect! We can't believe them about anything now!
[18:01:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Science lies! - 06Detailed Observations of Galaxy Rotation Challenge Dark Matter - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:01:46] <exec> 08└─I'd comment on that, but Muphry's Law [wikipedia.org] would strike me.
[18:01:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) 02Re:Science lies! - 06Detailed Observations of Galaxy Rotation Challenge Dark Matter - 389 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:01:48] <exec> 08└─I was thinking more along the lines of "Good, now maybe they'll stop using Fucking Magic as an explanation for things and actually figure out why." Dark Matter is a shit term and always has been. If you don't fucking know, just say you don't fucking know and get to finding out. Don't give what you d...
[18:01:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Interesting - 06Detailed Observations of Galaxy Rotation Challenge Dark Matter - 104 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:01:50] <exec> 08└─Now this is interesting. Something that challenges the current understanding. Go science, venture forth!
[18:01:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Rotation Curve - 06Detailed Observations of Galaxy Rotation Challenge Dark Matter - 310 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:01:53] <exec> 08└─For those not familiar: Wiki has a good explanation of rotation curve: a plot of the orbital speeds of visible stars or gas in that galaxy versus their radial distance from that galaxy's centre. It is typically rendered graphically as a plot. https://en.wikipedia.org [wiki...
[18:01:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02The Newton issue - 06Detailed Observations of Galaxy Rotation Challenge Dark Matter - 1497 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:01:55] <exec> 08└─Here is how I'm interpreting this. The rotation differentials between the inner and outer part of galaxies STILL don't appear to follow Newtonian physics: the outside rotates faster than "Newton" predicts. However, the differential rates are consistent with the volume and distribution of visible (no...
[18:01:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:The Newton issue - 06Detailed Observations of Galaxy Rotation Challenge Dark Matter - 170 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:01:57] <exec> 08└─So then you reject the finding that explains why dark matter might not exist at all, and you turn that finding inside out to explain an imaginary property of dark matter?
[18:02:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Touché) 02Re:They should sue the Republican Party - 06Conservation Law Foundation Follows Through on its Threat to Sue ExxonMobil - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:02:07] <exec> 08└─Please don't put half of your comment in the title.
[18:02:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:3, Interesting) 02An appropriate penalty - 06Conservation Law Foundation Follows Through on its Threat to Sue ExxonMobil - 569 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:02:10] <exec> 08└─What I'd like to see, as a matter of policy: The companies that are now doing business with and in Afghanistan and Iraq who were unable to before 2003 must pay the entire cost of the wars there, including reparations to the families of deceased soldiers and providing funding for the VA to aid the ve...
[18:02:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02DM's Wheelhouse - 06Conservation Law Foundation Follows Through on its Threat to Sue ExxonMobil - 592 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:02:12] <exec> 08└─Well hell, this one is right up my wheelhouse! I've actually been on the receiving end of one of these citizen suits over this very issue. Not personally, of course, but as the env compliance guy who got to clean up the mess. It's a bit of an odd complaint. It's a pretty tenuous link to go from b...
[18:02:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03fishybell [3156] (Score:2) 02Re:Cool - 0614,000-Year-Old Campsite in Argentina Adds to an Archaeological Mystery - 44 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:02:21] <exec> 08└─17,000 years? I'd guess pretty much like us.
[18:02:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:Cool - 0614,000-Year-Old Campsite in Argentina Adds to an Archaeological Mystery - 610 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:02:23] <exec> 08└─Well - which "us" do you refer to? European caucasians? Probably not. Chinese? Again, probably not. Africans? Well - which Africans? There is a fair amount of diversity among Africans, but I don't think these people looked very much like Africans, either. If I were a betting man, I would bet that th...
[18:03:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Immerman [3985] (Score:2) 02Re:ez bz - 06Here Comes 5Gbps Networking Over Standard Cables - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:03:08] <exec> 08└─Longer than "a moment", shorter than "an eternity"
[18:03:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03meustrus [4961] (Score:2) 02Re:What to do for a network upgrade? - 06Here Comes 5Gbps Networking Over Standard Cables - 162 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:03:22] <exec> 08└─Interesting. So do you expect the bare fiber to be useful for networking in the future? Or is there a way to make it useful now? Why do you recommend this option?
[18:03:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Scruffy Beard 2 [6030] (Score:1) 02Re:Does it really get those speeds? - 06Here Comes 5Gbps Networking Over Standard Cables - 54 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:03:27] <exec> 08└─My theory: spinning disks rarely saturate their links.
[18:03:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03KilroySmith [2113] (Score:2) 02Re:Don't use 'biometrics' as a password. - 06Lenovo, Intel, PayPal and Synaptics Team up on Password-Free Authentication - 38 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:03:42] <exec> 08└─Fingerprint readers are easily fooled.
[18:03:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03KilroySmith [2113] (Score:2) 02Re:FIDO client with password? - 06Lenovo, Intel, PayPal and Synaptics Team up on Password-Free Authentication - 671 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:03:45] <exec> 08└─No, data from the fingerprint never leaves the secure environment within the local machine. In fact, in the Lenovo solution, it's likely that no information from the fingerprint ever even leaves the fingerprint sensor. FIDO implementations are normally a challenge-response directly to a secure envir...
[18:03:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03KilroySmith [2113] (Score:2) 02Re:Sigh. - 06Lenovo, Intel, PayPal and Synaptics Team up on Password-Free Authentication - 118 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:03:51] <exec> 08└─Sigh. At any point they can be fooled by bits of printed paper, Gummi bears or just plain hacking of their interfaces
[18:04:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The reasons it has to die... - 06UPDATE: Rosetta to Finish its Slow Descent to Comet's Surface Friday Morning - SIGNAL LOST - 1294 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:04:35] <exec> 08└─Haha! Sorry, dude. I can't take the time off to verify Eratosthenes' figures at the moment. Do you have an alternate interpretation of his observations that would show a flat earth that's consistent with the azimuthal equidistant map? Speaking of... Jake Gowans writes [quora.com]: The most widely a...
[18:05:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03KilroySmith [2113] (Score:2) 02Re:not yet, but looking forward to EV - 06Automakers Show Off Electric Cars at Paris Show - 436 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:05:26] <exec> 08└─Road Trip Practical: Cross country in a Model S in 59 hours: http://ecomento.com [ecomento.com] Battery Degradation: Less than 10% in 100,000 miles for Tesla: https://electrek.co [e...
[18:05:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 0210 vehicles only? - 06Automakers Show Off Electric Cars at Paris Show - 138 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:05:27] <exec> 08└─They will be very crowded, many users, only 10 vehicles... new record in clown cars for sure. Oh, maybe he meant something like models? :P
[18:06:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03deimtee [3272] (Score:2) 02Re:There's obviously more - 06Kim Dotcom’s Extradition Appeal Concludes - 499 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:06:45] <exec> 08└─It's not just the music industry. From the (five year old!) Torrentfreak article above : When Megakey is installed the software asks permission to modify where 10 to 15% of the user’s online advertising experience is sourced from. “It works like an ad blocker but instead of blocking ads we show...
[18:07:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Immerman [3985] (Score:2) 02Re:An alternative on Earth? - 06Making Space Rocket Fuel From Water Could Drive a Power Revolution on Earth - 1285 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:07:37] <exec> 08└─In case that wasn't humor... Yes H2 is pretty much the smallest stable particle in the universe - a tiny "barbell" about as long as a Helium atom is wide, and considerably narrower, capable of slipping right through most molecular lattices. One of the major obstacles to hydrogen usage is that H2 wil...
[18:07:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Immerman [3985] (Score:2) 02Re:An alternative on Earth? - 06Making Space Rocket Fuel From Water Could Drive a Power Revolution on Earth - 347 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:07:42] <exec> 08└─I hadn't even considered those losses, and they're definitely worth factoring in. Hydrogen specifically though offers some unique challenges, because it can leak right through seamless steel, and pretty much anything else. An H2 molecule is the smallest stable particle in the universe, and can fit t...
[18:07:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Immerman [3985] (Score:2) 02Re:An alternative on Earth? - 06Making Space Rocket Fuel From Water Could Drive a Power Revolution on Earth - 211 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:07:46] <exec> 08└─An interesting idea. I would wonder though how losses to inefficiencies in the process, and the energy required to collect and concentrate CO2 to feed it, would compare to those of electrical transmission lines.
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[19:01:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The Newton issue - 06Detailed Observations of Galaxy Rotation Challenge Dark Matter - 420 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:01:57] <exec> 08└─What about dark matter attached to strings? I posit there is as much evidence for this as the current theory! Throw a few strings in there for tensioning and I am sure the theory will appear to match the data! After all, nothing but quality science comes from just adding on ethereal bits and pieces...
[19:01:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03bradley13 [3053] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Kludge - 06Detailed Observations of Galaxy Rotation Challenge Dark Matter - 1183 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:01:58] <exec> 08└─I'm not an astrophysicist, but an interested layman with an engineer's instinct. Dark matter stinks of "kludge" and it always has. There is clearly some aspect of the universe and its laws that we have failed to understand. Saying that up to 90% of the mass of the universe is undetectable except for...
[19:02:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03turgid [4318] (Score:2) 02Re:Kludge - 06Detailed Observations of Galaxy Rotation Challenge Dark Matter - 533 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:02:01] <exec> 08└─Many years ago when I was studying space, one of the most important points that they kept making was that we don't know how much baryonic matter we can't see. In those days, the HST had only just been launched, and there were a couple of infrared observatories (important for seeing through dust) but...
[19:02:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03bradley13 [3053] (Score:2) 02Re:Kludge - 06Detailed Observations of Galaxy Rotation Challenge Dark Matter - 456 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:02:03] <exec> 08└─"We really do need better space telescopes, as well as the huge ones on Earth." Absolutely. And not just telescopes in the sense of visible light, infrared, etc.. We need all sorts of scientific instruments up in space, measuring all sorts of things. Aside from measuring Pioneer's course, what gravi...
[19:02:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03opinionated_science [4031] (Score:2) 02dark matter is BS... - 06Detailed Observations of Galaxy Rotation Challenge Dark Matter - 562 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:02:05] <exec> 08└─I am following this chap https://physicsfromtheedge.blogspot.com [blogspot.com] His published work of MiHSC (an extension to theory of gravitation) is far more compelling because it is not parameterised , as the dark matter fudge is. As dogmatic stances go, physics can sometimes have a real problem...
[19:02:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02I'm trendy! - 06Detailed Observations of Galaxy Rotation Challenge Dark Matter - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:02:07] <exec> 08└─Dark matter doesn't real!
[19:02:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:how to stop anti-social corporate behavior - 06Conservation Law Foundation Follows Through on its Threat to Sue ExxonMobil - 1869 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:02:19] <exec> 08└─Good title. I don't entirely agree with the body of your post, but damned good title. To stop anti-social corporate behaiour, we only need remember one thing. No corporation has a right to even EXIST unless it is approved of by WE THE PEOPLE. A corporation is supposed to have a charter, a mission, a...
[19:02:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Conservation Laws ASSEMBLE! - 06Conservation Law Foundation Follows Through on its Threat to Sue ExxonMobil - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:02:22] <exec> 08└─Energy! Momentum! CPT! Lepton number! Baryon number!
[19:02:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03richtopia [3160] (Score:2) 02Re:Cool - 0614,000-Year-Old Campsite in Argentina Adds to an Archaeological Mystery - 508 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:02:33] <exec> 08└─Polynesian ancestry also crossed my mind, the theory is briefly documented in the Settlement of the Americas Wikipedia article. However, there are many other sites that are pre-Clovis which do not line up with Polynesian migration routes. That does not rule out multiple settlement vectors during thi...
[19:02:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Cool - 0614,000-Year-Old Campsite in Argentina Adds to an Archaeological Mystery - 27 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:02:34] <exec> 08└─us [gamers-association.com]
[19:03:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Blah Blah Blah - 06Four States Sue to Stop Transfer of ICANN Oct. 1 - 361 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:03:04] <exec> 08└─> I never said it was a big deal. Not every comment is required to be insightful or informative, and this one was not meant to be either. Wow. You willingly admit the intent of your post was to be inane and useless. I'm impressed. At least you own the fact that you add absolutely nothing to the conv...
[19:03:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Failure recovery modes? - 06Four States Sue to Stop Transfer of ICANN Oct. 1 - 492 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:03:08] <exec> 08└─In order to route around "censorship damage" via abuse of the Domain Naming System, it seems easy enough to use different root servers (and DNS providers making use of the same) in response. For damage caused by abuse of IP control and ownership, how would that possibly be worked around? By convinci...
[19:03:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:ez bz - 06Here Comes 5Gbps Networking Over Standard Cables - 135 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:03:25] <exec> 08└─I'm curious if there are any Soylentils who are already maxing out their gigabit networks, and if so, what are you doing to max it out?
[19:03:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:ez bz - 06Here Comes 5Gbps Networking Over Standard Cables - 168 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:03:27] <exec> 08└─Your link to "plenty of 10GbE PCI-e cards" start with a $499 price tag for a single port nic. Your typical gigabit card is sub $10, and very good ones go for below $30.
[19:03:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Hold on a second... - 06Here Comes 5Gbps Networking Over Standard Cables - 166 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:03:35] <exec> 08└─Exactly. Actual throughput is never anywhere near cited throughput, even in the most elaborately contrived test environment. You are doing well to get 50% on average.
[19:03:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Re:Hold on a second... - 06Here Comes 5Gbps Networking Over Standard Cables - 129 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:03:37] <exec> 08└─My FPGAs get really close to max theoretical capacity, but that's easier when you know exactly what traffic you are dealing with.
[19:03:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02You can already get SFP to Ethernet Adapters. - 06Here Comes 5Gbps Networking Over Standard Cables - 575 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:03:46] <exec> 08└─Find a single mode SFP module and as long as you can polish the cable ends you should be fine (there are machines for doing so for a few hundred bucks. Or you can try and do it manually, but it is generally a terrible idea.) I have seen them for 150-200USD for pairs. Cheap dropshipped from china. Wi...
[19:04:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Sigh. - 06Lenovo, Intel, PayPal and Synaptics Team up on Password-Free Authentication - 1985 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:04:14] <exec> 08└─In most cases a bigger more important problem is users can't use their own accounts. They forget their usernames, passwords, email addresses, lose their phones, phone numbers, etc. That's why companies keep coming up with more and more easy and cheap ways for users to break into their own accounts ;...
[19:04:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Immerman [3985] (Score:2) 02Re:don't want nobody trying to cut my fingers off - 06Lenovo, Intel, PayPal and Synaptics Team up on Password-Free Authentication - 2074 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:04:19] <exec> 08└─Your USB key solution is vulnerable to having the key stolen, though you can improve that dramatically by storing the encryption key in a password-protected data vault to provide at least a degree of 2-factor authentication: something you have (key file) and something you know (encrypting password)....
[19:05:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03tonyPick [1237] (Score:2) 02Re:The reasons it has to die... - 06UPDATE: Rosetta to Finish its Slow Descent to Comet's Surface Friday Morning - SIGNAL LOST - 1284 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:05:05] <exec> 08└─There's a chicken-and-egg style question there; were the original mission expectations limited because the use of a nuclear power source was considered politically unacceptable, and therefore the mission duration was constrained by the solar power factor upfront? Also the issue with the Philae lande...
[19:05:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Not So Fast Buster - 06Automakers Show Off Electric Cars at Paris Show - 593 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:05:42] <exec> 08└─> Do you not realize that electricity is more efficient at lower temperatures, and that heat is the enemy of batteries, Cold is also the enemy of batteries. [comsol.com] It is well known that electric cars lose efficiency at colder temperatures. They get a double-whammy because they also have to run...
[19:05:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Absurdly Optimistic - 06Automakers Show Off Electric Cars at Paris Show - 199 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:05:44] <exec> 08└─> In 10 years, an ICE car is going to be the exception, rather than the rule. That is absurdly optimistic. The latest estimates have pure electrics at just 35% of new sales by 2040. [motherjones.com]
[19:06:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02Re:It uses Hydrogen. Right! - 06World's First 4-Seater Fuel-Cell Plane Takes off in Germany - 194 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:06:11] <exec> 08└─Hydrogen is a PITA, I can't see it gaining mass acceptance for anything other than niche applications. Yep, niche applications like needing the lowest weight to power density ratio possible.
[19:06:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02Re:Not Possible - 06New Wind Turbines Could Power Japan for 50 Years after a Single Typhoon - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:06:24] <exec> 08└─People don't store Libraries of Congress on their iPhone, either.
[19:06:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Scruffy Beard 2 [6030] (Score:2) 02Chick-bait headline - 06New Wind Turbines Could Power Japan for 50 Years after a Single Typhoon - 204 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:06:29] <exec> 08└─After reading the headline, I was envisioning perpetual motion machines that spin at high speeds. ... and the speed of the blades can be adjusted to ensure they don’t spin out of control during a storm.
[19:07:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Swallowed sausage wrapping... - 06Woman Who Took Husband's Intestine on Flight to Europe Wanted it Tested - 178 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:07:40] <exec> 08└─Talk about a double entendre :) But yo dawg. I heard you liked intestines, so we put intestines inside intestines inside of your intestine. It's intestines all the way down dawg!
[19:09:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02''Nikiforov's brother-in-law'' - 06City of Moscow to Ditch 600k MSFT Exchange and Outlook Licences - 851 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:09:04] <exec> 08└─Nikolay Nikiforov's brother-in-law runs a software company that creates mail software ...and I thought that *I* was the most cynical guy here. I'll admit that I didn't see such a claim in any of the English-language coverage. Maybe it's in the Russian-language coverage. . Nick Heath over at TechRepu...
[19:10:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03lcklspckl [830] (Score:1) 02Re:How do you spell - 06U.S. Senate and House Override President Obama's 9/11 Bill Veto - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:10:41] <exec> 08└─Touché, human! You are correct, of course. I tried to correct myself, but it was too late.
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[20:01:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Globalization continues downward - 06Polish Explorer Says He Found Deepest Underwater Cave - 213 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:01:39] <exec> 08└─Under the sea under the sea They'll have no labor unions Just desperate slave labor Under the sea under the sea Work to pay your air bills Unless you can grow gills Company will have you By the lungs Under the sea
[20:01:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Science lies! - 06Detailed Observations of Galaxy Rotation Challenge Dark Matter - 37 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:01:49] <exec> 08└─At least it's a law and not a theory.
[20:01:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Zz9zZ [1348] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Science lies! - 06Detailed Observations of Galaxy Rotation Challenge Dark Matter - 672 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:01:52] <exec> 08└─Who cares what the general public thinks? Seriously, the physicists know what's up and anyone who cares to research will realize they have no idea what it is. It isn't a secret. But being human we need names for things, it would get pretty tiresome to refer to it as "whatever is causing these observ...
[20:01:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03fustakrakich [6150] (Score:1) 02Re:Science lies! - 06Detailed Observations of Galaxy Rotation Challenge Dark Matter - 282 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:01:54] <exec> 08└─Don't give what you don't know an important sounding name so it looks like you know more than you actually do. Scientists are advertising geeks too. Even NASA does their click baiting with *Big Announcement!... Coming next week!* And then the big letdown. It's the internet's fault.
[20:02:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score:2) 02Re:Kludge - 06Detailed Observations of Galaxy Rotation Challenge Dark Matter - 252 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:02:04] <exec> 08└─You're probably thinking of Voyager 1, not Pioneer 1, if you're talking about the farthest manmade thing from Earth. With a bit of googling I'm getting ~126 AUs out. One AU is from Earth to the sun. 93 million miles = 1 AU Voyager is 11.7 billion miles
[20:02:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03turgid [4318] (Score:2) 02Re:Kludge - 06Detailed Observations of Galaxy Rotation Challenge Dark Matter - 105 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:02:06] <exec> 08└─What's really cool is that you can see the comms to the spacecraft in realtime [nasa.gov] -- Voyager 1:-)
[20:02:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03turgid [4318] (Score:2) 02Re:Kludge - 06Detailed Observations of Galaxy Rotation Challenge Dark Matter - 807 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:02:09] <exec> 08└─We have the first direct measurements of gravitational waves now, from LIGO and LISA Pathfinder is up and has proved that that particular technology will work too. If the full LISA mission gets the go-ahead, that will be great. A lot of new technology will have to be developed for that. The problem...
[20:02:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Kludge - 06Detailed Observations of Galaxy Rotation Challenge Dark Matter - 250 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:02:11] <exec> 08└─Actually I suspect some physicists have effectively thought of an infinite number of alternative explanations. Or at least a very huge number of alternative explanations? Whichever it is, that kind of makes it harder to find out which one is true :).
[20:02:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03art guerrilla [3082] (Score:2) 02Re:how to stop anti-social corporate behavior - 06Conservation Law Foundation Follows Through on its Threat to Sue ExxonMobil - 147 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:02:26] <exec> 08└─when you are right, you are right... korporations are in the saddle, and the devil take the hindmost... (guess what, 99% of us are the hindmost...)
[20:02:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Cool - 0614,000-Year-Old Campsite in Argentina Adds to an Archaeological Mystery - 36 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:02:42] <exec> 08└─Of course, that is just speculation.
[20:03:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:What to do for a network upgrade? - 06Here Comes 5Gbps Networking Over Standard Cables - 218 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:03:51] <exec> 08└─Fiber nics, cabling, and jacks are already deployed in newer buildings, especially those designed for tech workers. Not cheaply. Your entry level nic [startech.com] will be a couple hundred bucks when the dust settles.
[20:04:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03termigator [4271] (Score:2) 02Re:Sigh. - 06Lenovo, Intel, PayPal and Synaptics Team up on Password-Free Authentication - 653 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:04:20] <exec> 08└─I fail to see how all the cryptography you mentioned is relevant to the task of the biometric reader. All that you mention is what goes on after you read the biometric input data, which is before cryptography is involved. With biometrics alone, it will make it easier for me to break in someone's dev...
[20:05:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02''why [couldn't they] use an RTG''? - 06UPDATE: Rosetta to Finish its Slow Descent to Comet's Surface Friday Morning - SIGNAL LOST - 424 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:05:13] <exec> 08└─One thing that occurs to me is the weight of the radioactive stuff. Wouldn't they have needed to beef up the structure of the payload vehicles (more expensive)? (Wouldn't the RTG itself also have added co 2000 st?) Wouldn't the boost vehicle also have needed to be more powerful (more expensive)? ......
[20:05:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02XKCD referenced a different movie - 06UPDATE: Rosetta to Finish its Slow Descent to Comet's Surface Friday Morning - SIGNAL LOST - 181 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:05:19] <exec> 08└─He's a huge "Armageddon" fan. Let him have this one. [xkcd.com] (Apparently, all that "Science" stuff was just a cover for the *actual* mission.) -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
[20:05:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:Not So Fast Buster - 06Automakers Show Off Electric Cars at Paris Show - 231 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:05:53] <exec> 08└─Well known? By whom? At sufficiently low temperatures, some materials will become superconductors! Then we could have very cold Mag-Lev cars! And heaters? What real Sourdough needs a heater? Did you ever see a heater on a dogsled?
[20:07:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03jdavidb [5690] (Score:2) 02Re:Politics ... - 06Caves in Which Jewish Rebels Hid from Romans 2,000 Years Ago Found in Galilee - 788 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:07:02] <exec> 08└─Dr. Walter Block has some very interesting writings on just reparations [walterblock.com] for property taken generations ago. Basically property should be returned to just owners, but the burden of proof gets more and more difficult as time goes by. Kind of a natural statute of limitations. Looks li...
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[21:01:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nerdfest [80] (Score:2) 02Re:Science lies! - 06Detailed Observations of Galaxy Rotation Challenge Dark Matter - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:01:56] <exec> 08└─I'm actually a little surprised we haven't heard wailing from the SJW crowd about that one yet.
[21:01:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score:2) 02Re:Science lies! - 06Detailed Observations of Galaxy Rotation Challenge Dark Matter - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:01:58] <exec> 08└─That's because the strawman that lives only in your head doesn't care.
[21:01:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Science lies! - 06Detailed Observations of Galaxy Rotation Challenge Dark Matter - 6 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:02:00] <exec> 08└─What??
[21:02:26] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] 02how to stop anti-social corporate behavior - 06Conservation Law Foundation Follows Through on its Threat to Sue ExxonMobil - 1443 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:02:26] <exec> 08└─Big Oil's greed and callousness may ultimately be far more damaging than anything any other industry has ever done, and they've pulled plenty of whoppers. Next to most of the planet's major coastal cities drowned, millions of people forced to relocate and going hungry when crops fail thanks to clima...
[21:02:29] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Thexalon [636] 02An appropriate penalty - 06Conservation Law Foundation Follows Through on its Threat to Sue ExxonMobil - 569 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:02:29] <exec> 08└─What I'd like to see, as a matter of policy: The companies that are now doing business with and in Afghanistan and Iraq who were unable to before 2003 must pay the entire cost of the wars there, including reparations to the families of deceased soldiers and providing funding for the VA to aid the ve...
[21:03:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:2) 02Re:Blah Blah Blah - 06Four States Sue to Stop Transfer of ICANN Oct. 1 - 156 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:03:14] <exec> 08└─I didn't say the intent was to be inane and useless; I said that it was not intended to be insightful or informative. But there's no "mildly facetious" mod.
[21:03:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03jummama [3969] (Score:2) 02Re:Failure recovery modes? - 06Four States Sue to Stop Transfer of ICANN Oct. 1 - 102 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:03:20] <exec> 08└─I've just realized that I don't know the technical details of actual IP address ownership and control.
[21:04:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Hyperturtle [2824] (Score:2) 02Re:Maxing out is easy nowadays - 06Here Comes 5Gbps Networking Over Standard Cables - 1882 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:04:02] <exec> 08└─I get 99.97% saturation on my gigabit links. I am copying from RAID 10s, RAID 5s and SSDs; otherwise, a generic desktop hard drive might hit 50MB/s (so, 40% or so utilization on a typical workstation depending on what stat and where you are looking). CPU availability matters in desktops, if you don'...
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[22:01:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02no No NOOO - 06Google Asks for Airspace Access for Internet Balloons - 197 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:01:37] <exec> 08└─God fucking damnit NOOOO! Is there nowhere left where you're not mandatorily touching a GOOG/Alphabet asset? Can't these fuckers just leave people alone instead of having to touch me anywhere I go?
[22:01:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Chromium_One [4574] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:no No NOOO - 06Google Asks for Airspace Access for Internet Balloons - 448 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:01:39] <exec> 08└─I know this is scary, but we need you to be brave. Please show us on the doll where the bad advertising company touched you ... That said, despite Google's numerous and continuing failings, they're probably in the best position to be doing something like this with getting good networking everywhere....
[22:01:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:no No NOOO - 06Google Asks for Airspace Access for Internet Balloons - 561 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:01:41] <exec> 08└─*touches her entire body* everywhere, sir and it makes me feel icky! I think your assumption that this is a thing that needs to be done, is wrong. I don't think this is a thing that needs to be done, that humanity is waiting for, or that would advance anyone in any way shape or form. So to answer yo...
[22:01:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Why not build a giant transmitter on the Moon? - 06Google Asks for Airspace Access for Internet Balloons - 15 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:01:43] <exec> 08└─Are you simple?
[22:01:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03EQ [1716] (Score:3, Funny) 02Moon? Ever hear of latency? - 06Google Asks for Airspace Access for Internet Balloons - 18 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:01:45] <exec> 08└─Kids these days...
[22:01:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Moon? Ever hear of latency? - 06Google Asks for Airspace Access for Internet Balloons - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:01:47] <exec> 08└─Especially those who can't detect a joke when they see one.
[22:01:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Valkor [4253] (Score:2) 02Re:Moon? Ever hear of latency? - 06Google Asks for Airspace Access for Internet Balloons - 58 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:01:49] <exec> 08└─What's wrong, the speed of light aint good enough for ya?!
[22:01:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Moon? Ever hear of latency? - 06Google Asks for Airspace Access for Internet Balloons - 178 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:01:52] <exec> 08└─Well, anyone would complain about 1.26 seconds online though... (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Speed_of_light_from_Earth_to_Moon.gif [wikipedia.org]) and that's just one-way
[22:01:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Why not build a giant transmitter on the Moon? - 06Google Asks for Airspace Access for Internet Balloons - 48 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:01:54] <exec> 08└─Because it would be nice to send data back too..
[22:02:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Found 404 meters - 06Polish Explorer Says He Found Deepest Underwater Cave - 544 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:02:03] <exec> 08└─I thought 404 was Not Found...? The current depth record for open circuit scuba diving is held by Ahmed Gabr, who descended to 332.35 meters on September 18, 2014. Most recreational scuba diving organizations set the maximum depth for a certified, experienced recreational divers breathing air at 13...
[22:02:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score:2) 02Re:Science lies! - 06Detailed Observations of Galaxy Rotation Challenge Dark Matter - 27 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:02:14] <exec> 08└─It's more a of thoery than.
[22:02:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score:2) 02Re:Science lies! - 06Detailed Observations of Galaxy Rotation Challenge Dark Matter - 167 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:02:21] <exec> 08└─If you add dark numbers, 1+1=42. Because i said so. See, 1 + 1 + some dark numbers i've just come up with = 42. See? See?! Yeah. Told you. --Physicists who know shite.
[22:02:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Science lies! - 06Detailed Observations of Galaxy Rotation Challenge Dark Matter - 389 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:02:24] <exec> 08└─I was thinking more along the lines of "Good, now maybe they'll stop using Fucking Magic as an explanation for things and actually figure out why." Dark Matter is a shit term and always has been. If you don't fucking know, just say you don't fucking know and get to finding out. Don't give what you d...
[22:02:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The Newton issue - 06Detailed Observations of Galaxy Rotation Challenge Dark Matter - 388 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:02:30] <exec> 08└─Dark matter "explains" other things besides galaxy rotation. And we still haven't solved the flat-rotational-curve mystery itself, only de-linked it directly from dark matter as previously modeled. Either way, there is something odd about gravity over longer distances. Whether it's dark matter, grav...
[22:02:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score:2) 02Re:The Newton issue - 06Detailed Observations of Galaxy Rotation Challenge Dark Matter - 200 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:02:33] <exec> 08└─but if you attach dark matter to 1000 strings, you need over 40 new imaginary dimensions that ARE there, we just have to find them. Yeah. But they ARE there! Yep yep yep! Because they solve problems!
[22:02:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03nitehawk214 [1304] (Score:1) 02Re:Kludge - 06Detailed Observations of Galaxy Rotation Challenge Dark Matter - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:02:40] <exec> 08└─Currently transmitting at 159 bytes/second. I didn't know comcast could communicate in deep space.
[22:02:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Not news - 06Detailed Observations of Galaxy Rotation Challenge Dark Matter - 202 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:02:47] <exec> 08└─McGaugh already published this 12 years ago: The circular velocity attributable to the dark matter can be expressed as a simple equation which depends only on the observed distribution of baryonic mass.
[22:02:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Not news - 06Detailed Observations of Galaxy Rotation Challenge Dark Matter - 419 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:02:49] <exec> 08└─Dark matter is a hugely successful theory for explaining a whole slew of observations about the Universe. Just by adding this one ingredient to the mix, we can successfully simulate and reproduce the large-scale structure, CMB fluctuations, galaxy clustering and cluster collision properties observed...
[22:03:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03EQ [1716] (Score:2) 02Re:how to stop anti-social corporate behavior - 06Conservation Law Foundation Follows Through on its Threat to Sue ExxonMobil - 157 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:03:03] <exec> 08└─"No corporation has a right to even EXIST unless it is approved of by WE THE PEOPLE. " For the USA - where is that in the Constitution? Stop making stuff up.
[22:03:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:DM's Wheelhouse - 06Conservation Law Foundation Follows Through on its Threat to Sue ExxonMobil - 335 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:03:06] <exec> 08└─How does this actually work? Under what grounds or jurisdiction can they be sued? For example, can somebody sue me for driving a car and contributing to global warming? If not, then where is the hard line (or fuzzy line, as the case may be) between an individual's action being immune and a vast corp...
[22:03:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Sea Level Rise - 0614,000-Year-Old Campsite in Argentina Adds to an Archaeological Mystery - 173 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:03:22] <exec> 08└─14,000 years ago, the sea level was about 100 meters lower than today. If these people preferred to be near the coastline then, their campsites would be a wee bit wet today.
[22:03:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02"it would take a ruling by the courts to overturn" - 06Four States Sue to Stop Transfer of ICANN Oct. 1 - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:03:37] <exec> 08└─it would take a ruling by the courts to overturn the law. Until that happened it would be legal
[22:04:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 0210gbit/s is possible on category 6 UTP today. - 06Here Comes 5Gbps Networking Over Standard Cables - 125 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:04:41] <exec> 08└─From the article: Gigabit Ethernet (1Gbps), which is currently the fastest standard for conventional Cat 5e and Cat 6 cabling
[22:05:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02You know you're in trouble when... - 06Amazon, Google, Facebook, IBM, and Microsoft Form "Partnership on AI" Non-Profit - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:05:32] <exec> 08└─Apple is left as the defender of humanity.
[22:06:02] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03GreatAuntAnesthesia [3275] 02I get to quote it again - 06UPDATE: Rosetta to Finish its Slow Descent to Comet's Surface Friday Morning - SIGNAL LOST - 224 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:06:02] <exec> 08└─> It's time for Europe's comet probe, Rosetta, to die I watched a big ol' lump of dirty ice spin like a potato in the dark near nothing in particular. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears, in rain. Time to die.
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[23:01:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Redundant) 02And nothing of value was lost - 06Landlord Installs Faraday Cage to Block Phone Signals Because Social Media is Ruining British Pubs - 3 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:01:34] <exec> 08└─n/t
[23:01:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Appalbarry [66] (Score:2) 02Talk? TALK? In a bar? - 06Landlord Installs Faraday Cage to Block Phone Signals Because Social Media is Ruining British Pubs - 408 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:01:35] <exec> 08└─I would kill to find a bar or restaurant anywhere near us that would allow a conversation with my dinner partner. Between room design by acoustical idiots, and the ubiquitous overly loud bad eighties music, it seems to be a fruitless search. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind music, and loud music, in...
[23:01:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Valkor [4253] (Score:2) 02Wrong place - 06Landlord Installs Faraday Cage to Block Phone Signals Because Social Media is Ruining British Pubs - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:01:37] <exec> 08└─He's in the wrong place, we need one of these where I live.
[23:01:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Might backfire - 06Landlord Installs Faraday Cage to Block Phone Signals Because Social Media is Ruining British Pubs - 245 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:01:39] <exec> 08└─A phone can be a crutch for people in a situation where they are alone and being "checked out" by strangers. Holding a phone, there's always something for women to do before Mr. Right taps them on the shoulder and makes some witty opening line.
[23:01:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Why not build a giant transmitter on the Moon? - 06Google Asks for Airspace Access for Internet Balloons - 21 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:50] <exec> 08└─"Simple"? Are you 70?
[23:02:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score:2) 02Re:Science lies! - 06Detailed Observations of Galaxy Rotation Challenge Dark Matter - 97 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:25] <exec> 08└─If they were instead to call it "TSUF" (the stuff unaccounted for), it would be exactly the same.
[23:02:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) 02Re:Science lies! - 06Detailed Observations of Galaxy Rotation Challenge Dark Matter - 171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:02:27] <exec> 08└─I'm personally in favor of Buzzard's WTF_a and Buzzard's WTF_b. They don't prima facie presume, like dark matter/energy, that some unknown form of matter or energy exists.
[23:02:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:1) 02Re:Science lies! - 06Detailed Observations of Galaxy Rotation Challenge Dark Matter - 130 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:29] <exec> 08└─Dark Matter is a shit term and always has been. If you don't fucking know, just say you don't fucking know and get to finding out.
[23:02:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) 02Re:Science lies! - 06Detailed Observations of Galaxy Rotation Challenge Dark Matter - 587 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:31] <exec> 08└─The main problem is that even some scientists have taken the fact that it's been given a cool enough name to be ripped off by science fiction and let it trick their brains into thinkin 2000 g this meant it was A) an actual thing instead of an error in understanding B) caused by one thing instead of...
[23:02:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Science lies! - 06Detailed Observations of Galaxy Rotation Challenge Dark Matter - 117 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:33] <exec> 08└─Scientists completely fail to understand the universe in [this] one aspect! We can't believe them about anything now!
[23:02:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Science lies! - 06Detailed Observations of Galaxy Rotation Challenge Dark Matter - 33 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:35] <exec> 08└─Asimov to the rescue [tufts.edu].
[23:02:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The Newton issue - 06Detailed Observations of Galaxy Rotation Challenge Dark Matter - 115 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:44] <exec> 08└─I think we are just missing an important piece in our theories of gravity. That's it, no invisible stuff necessary.
[23:02:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Kludge - 06Detailed Observations of Galaxy Rotation Challenge Dark Matter - 104 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:55] <exec> 08└─Who says that the measurements we can make locally can be extrapolated by dozens of orders of magnitude?
[23:03:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Not news - 06Detailed Observations of Galaxy Rotation Challenge Dark Matter - 228 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:01] <exec> 08└─It looks like Milgrom himself feels the same way: It is anything but a newly discovered relation, as it has been plotted and studied time and again (starting with Sanders 1990), with ever increasing quantity and quality of data.
[23:03:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03NotSanguine [285] (Score:2) 02Re:Cool - 0614,000-Year-Old Campsite in Argentina Adds to an Archaeological Mystery - 33 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:32] <exec> 08└─Well - which "us" do you refer to
[23:03:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Francis [5544] (Score:1) 02Re:"it would take a ruling by the courts to overtu - 06Four States Sue to Stop Transfer of ICANN Oct. 1 - 733 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:51] <exec> 08└─That's not even remotely true. That stance requires completely ignoring hundreds of years of governance and legal precedence. The way we know that a law is unconstitutional is through a ruling by the Supreme Court. If they don't rule it to be unconstitutional, then it effectively is constitutional w...
[23:03:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:"it would take a ruling by the courts to overtu - 06Four States Sue to Stop Transfer of ICANN Oct. 1 - 29 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:52] <exec> 08└─That's not even remotely true
[23:04:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Francis [5544] (Score:1) 02Re:The problem with this approach - 06Four States Sue to Stop Transfer of ICANN Oct. 1 - 231 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:02] <exec> 08└─The reason this is happening is that the government abused the position of trust involved with controlling ICANN and did things like steal domain names for services that were illegal in the US, but not illegal in foreign countries.
[23:05:05] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03letssee [2537] 02Don't use 'biometrics' as a password. - 06Lenovo, Intel, PayPal and Synaptics Team up on Password-Free Authentication - 242 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:05:05] <exec> 08└─Ah, wonderful. The old 'fingerprint is password' idea. Which is a horrible idea. Fingerprint as username is ok-ish. But as password, not so much. Fingerprint readers are easily fooled. And an unchangeable password is a bad idea to begin with.
[23:05:17] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Justin Case [4239] 02Re:Sigh. - 06Lenovo, Intel, PayPal and Synaptics Team up on Password-Free Authentication - 119 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:05:17] <exec> 08└─You'd think that big-name companies like that would have at least one guy somewhere who says "You're all being stupid."
[23:05:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03KilroySmith [2113] (Score:2) 02Re:Sigh. - 06Lenovo, Intel, PayPal and Synaptics Team up on Password-Free Authentication - 4021 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:05:21] <exec> 08└─The cryptography references were about ledow's comment of " just plain hacking of their interfaces." That ain't gonna happen on a secure fingerprint sensor. As far as authentication, your example of "Wait for them to fall asleep (or drug them), use their finger to unlock/login into device" isn't an...
[23:07:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03jelizondo [653] (Score:1) 02Re:Politics ... - 06Caves in Which Jewish Rebels Hid from Romans 2,000 Years Ago Found in Galilee - 49 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:07:59] <exec> 08└─Thank you for the pointer, I'll look it up Cheers
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