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[13:09:39] <crutchy> ooh crap
[13:09:50] <crutchy> this gunna be a flood fest
[13:10:12] <x> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:3, Touché) 02Tax - 06In Sweden, a Cash-Free Future Nears - 254 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:10:12] <x> 08└─If you're paying too much tax then you'll get a rebate at the end of the year. However it seems that the submitter is just another petty criminal stealing from his fellow countryman. Willing to take the benefits of society but not pay for them. Pathetic.
[13:10:13] <x> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Upside - 06In Sweden, a Cash-Free Future Nears - 1482 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:10:13] <x> 08└─There really is an upside. As a child, and even as a young man, I sometimes ran out of money, and couldn't account for where I spent it all. With everything available online, anyone, even children, can click on their account, and be reminded that they spent a dollar here, and a buck fifty there. So,...
[13:10:14] <x> *** new comment: 03darkfeline [1030] (Score:2) 02Can confirm - 06In Sweden, a Cash-Free Future Nears - 177 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:10:15] <x> 08└─>With cash, identify theft and credit card fraud becomes more difficult. I can confirm this. I had a hell of a time trying to convince a cashier that I was a twenty dollar bill.
[13:10:23] <x> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02When do we see justice? - 06Justice Department Shuts Down Huge Asset Forfeiture Program - 357 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:10:24] <x> 08└─When does the Justice Department pay the victims for the assets stolen from alleged suspects? Each and every forfeiture that was not ordered by a judge AFTER a conviction, each and every forfeiture that was not part of a formal conviction, was theft. Big Brother held the little guy up against the wa...
[13:10:25] <x> *** new comment: 03Dunbal [3515] (Score:2) 02What? - 06Justice Department Shuts Down Huge Asset Forfeiture Program - 184 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:10:26] <x> 08└─They're not shutting it down, they're switching it to federal law from state law. So now the local cops will have to share the booty. But they are still going to be stealing our stuff.
[13:10:27] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Pre-emptive Shutdown - 06Justice Department Shuts Down Huge Asset Forfeiture Program - 534 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:10:28] <x> 08└─The backlash against civil forfeiture has been building. No doubt this was to preempt legislation so it can be resurrected administratively at a later date. Eric Holder started the administrative process just before he resigned - trying to build some legacy that is not Fast and Furious I'm sure. Lor...
[13:10:36] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02It is cute that it it is now inside - 06Hyatt was Hacked - 447 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:10:37] <x> 08└─Did some of the first card processing hotel system software in the 80's. Hong Kong very nice spot. With-in the hour after a card swipe, like for validation at check-in,a fake card(s) were on the street. There the hack was on phone line to processing / clearing house. Data was nu-encrypted at 1200 bu...
[13:10:38] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:It is cute that it it is now inside - 06Hyatt was Hacked - 54 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:10:38] <x> 08└─Encryption? Sorry, but we're going to need a backdoor.
[13:10:39] <x> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:It is cute that it it is now inside - 06Hyatt was Hacked - 64 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:10:40] <x> 08└─So the only point left to attach is at interface to the outside.
[13:10:41] <x> *** new comment: 03anubi [2828] (Score:1) 02Re:It is cute that it it is now inside - 06Hyatt was Hacked - 1707 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:10:42] <x> 08└─Judging by how fast I pick up rogue software without even trying, that does not surprise me at all. I intentionally crippled my own machine to make it more resilient to drive by downloads and auto-updaters. I no longer see a lot of business sites. Most plain info sites like this site, digi-key, g...
[13:10:43] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:It is cute that it it is now inside - 06Hyatt was Hacked - 725 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:10:44] <x> 08└─"Looks like I will have to revert back to snailmail for those - same as I did for internet banking. " Good luck with that. Many places tend to only let people switch in one direction - to electronic, not from. For the places that do allow you to switch back to snailmail, they add a surcharge on top...
[13:10:45] <x> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:1, Offtopic) 02John McAfee is running for President - 06Hyatt was Hacked - 133 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:10:46] <x> 08└─... as a Libertarian. Someone submit a story about this, I would but Starbucks is closing soon, and I no longer have wifi in my tent.
[13:10:54] <x> *** new comment: 03Anne Nonymous [712] (Score:3, Funny) 02Revolution - 06Beatles Music Joins Streaming Services - 148 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:10:55] <x> 08└─> didn't talk about the download Revolution until 2010 But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow
[13:10:56] <x> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:3, Interesting) 02streaming pile - 06Beatles Music Joins Streaming Services - 43 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:10:57] <x> 08└─How many Beatles members approved the move?
[13:10:58] <x> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:0, Troll) 02Re:streaming pile - 06Beatles Music Joins Streaming Services - 23 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:10:59] <x> 08└─Who cares. They sucked.
[13:11:00] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Offtopic) 02Microsoft Groove - 06Beatles Music Joins Streaming Services - 57 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:11:01] <x> 08└─Dancin in the moonlight! Microsoft Moonlight, that is. :D
[13:11:08] <x> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02gotcha - 06A Silicon Valley for Drones, in North Dakota - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:11:09] <x> 08└─North Dakota: The New "Silicon Valley" of Drones [soylentnews.org] "Less-Than-Lethal" Weaponized Drones Coming to North Dakota [soylentnews.org]
[13:11:10] <x> *** new comment: 03fishybell [3156] (Score:2) 02Re:gotcha - 06A Silicon Valley for Drones, in North Dakota - 218 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:11:11] <x> 08└─Don't you see? It's all just a ploy to get people to leave behind their jobs in expensive, smoggy, stuffy cities and come out to the open air, hands-off government, and low living costs. It's a trap! Don't fall for it!
[13:11:19] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:3, Informative) 02System D - 06Scientists Find 1500-Year-Old Viking Settlement Beneath New Airport Site - 184 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:11:20] <x> 08└─Totally off-topic (sorry) but what a bunch of assholes: https://lists.debian.org [debian.org] Needed a place to vent. Feel free to -1 to the oblivion.
[13:11:21] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:System D - 06Scientists Find 1500-Year-Old Viking Settlement Beneath New Airport Site - 55 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:11:21] <x> 08└─Totally off-topic (sorry) but what a bunch of assholes:
[13:11:22] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:System D - 06Scientists Find 1500-Year-Old Viking Settlement Beneath New Airport Site - 14 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:11:23] <x> 08└─Mod the AC up.
[13:11:24] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:System D - 06Scientists Find 1500-Year-Old Viking Settlement Beneath New Airport Site - 88 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:11:25] <x> 08└─What utter asshats. My way or the highway. I thought that this was Linux, not Microsoft.
[13:11:26] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:System D - 06Scientists Find 1500-Year-Old Viking Settlement Beneath New Airport Site - 105 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:11:27] <x> 08└─I entreat everyone to mod this as Off Topic. If you want a systemd bashing thread, make a new submission.
[13:11:28] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Arrrrr - 06Scientists Find 1500-Year-Old Viking Settlement Beneath New Airport Site - 38 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:11:29] <x> 08└─There be Viking pirates buried here...
[13:11:30] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Flamebait) 02Great for fly-by archeaology - 06Scientists Find 1500-Year-Old Viking Settlement Beneath New Airport Site - 211 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:11:31] <x> 08└─Researchers can fly in from anywhere around the world, grab a shovel and pair of safety glasses to make it look like they're working, attend a seminar with wine and cheese, and fly home, all in a 2-3 days' time.
[13:11:39] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02You thought politicians 'thought'? - 06Paris Climate Goals Mean Emissions Need to Drop Below Zero - 120 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:11:40] <x> 08└─which has left some observers wondering whether politicians understand the implications of the goals they signed up for.
[13:11:41] <x> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:You thought politicians 'thought'? - 06Paris Climate Goals Mean Emissions Need to Drop Below Zero - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:11:42] <x> 08└─Politicians do think. You seem to think that a politician's goal is the same as yours. That's not true, but that's your mistake.
[13:11:43] <x> *** new comment: 03xpda [5991] (Score:2, Interesting) 02Re:You thought politicians 'thought'? - 06Paris Climate Goals Mean Emissions Need to Drop Below Zero - 354 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:11:44] <x> 08└─One of my two U.S. Senators thought about it, but it didn't help. He still insists that global warming is nothing but a hoax. U.S. Senator Inhofe brought a snowball onto the Senate floor and threw it before delivering remarks in which he claimed that environmentalists keep talking about global warmi...
[13:11:45] <x> *** new comment: 03gnuman [5013] (Score:2) 02Science is not settled - 06Paris Climate Goals Mean Emissions Need to Drop Below Zero - 949 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:11:46] <x> 08└─on emissions and CO2 atmospheric levels over long term. While CO2 emissions result in global warming, I'm not sure that there is a certainty when it comes to total carbon in the carbon cycle == so much in atmosphere. Basically, if we stop emissions today, what is the CO2 levels in the atmosphere in...
[13:11:47] <x> *** new comment: 03Gravis [4596] (Score:2) 02Re:Science is not settled - 06Paris Climate Goals Mean Emissions Need to Drop Below Zero - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:11:48] <x> 08└─Science is not settled on emissions and CO2 atmospheric levels over long term.
[13:11:49] <x> *** new comment: 03gnuman [5013] (Score:2) 02Re:Science is not settled - 06Paris Climate Goals Mean Emissions Need to Drop Below Zero - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:11:50] <x> 08└─if you alter atmospheric CO2 levels, it will affect other things on the planet. ...
[13:11:51] <x> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Science is not settled - 06Paris Climate Goals Mean Emissions Need to Drop Below Zero - 226 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:11:52] <x> 08└─But we DO NOT know how reducing CO2 emissions today will affect CO2 atmospheric levels in the future. Most likely, they will go down. But we don't know how much. Therefore this paper is like putting buggey in front of a horse.
[13:11:53] <x> *** new comment: 03gman003 [4155] (Score:2) 02Re:Science is not settled - 06Paris Climate Goals Mean Emissions Need to Drop Below Zero - 782 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:11:54] <x> 08└─You are correct in that we don't know how natural CO2 sinks work. However, we're talking about artificial CO2 sinks - and while we don't know perfectly how those work, we know they have a good probability of success, and know they can't make anything worse. The worst-case scenario for artificial CO2...
[13:11:55] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Informative) 02Re:Science is not settled - 06Paris Climate Goals Mean Emissions Need to Drop Below Zero - 54 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:11:55] <x> 08└─we need more-or-less CO2 neutral economy by about 2050
[13:11:56] <x> *** new comment: 03gnuman [5013] (Score:2) 02Re:Science is not settled - 06Paris Climate Goals Mean Emissions Need to Drop Below Zero - 183 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:11:57] <x> 08└─We're already experiencing global warming; continuing to increase the CO2 concentration for another 34 years doesn't strike me as a great idea. Yet that is what was agreed to at COP21
[13:11:58] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Science is not settled - 06Paris Climate Goals Mean Emissions Need to Drop Below Zero - 354 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:11:59] <x> 08└─Come on, I didn't say "overnight"; you've made a straw men. Of course solutions have to be realistic. The 2050 goal may be realistic, but is it a solution? In New York City, average temperatures have been 13.1 degrees higher than usual this month. http://www.nytimes.com
[13:12:00] <x> *** new comment: 03BsAtHome [889] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Paper is very patient - 06Paris Climate Goals Mean Emissions Need to Drop Below Zero - 1296 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:12:01] <x> 08└─The paper, on which all of it is written, is a very patient medium. It is also a medium that is easily ignored when you don't like it very much. If that seems a bit pessimistic, well, it is. The whole agreement is still pushing the really hard choices into the future, and, the problem is not one of...
[13:12:02] <x> *** new comment: 03Non Sequor [1005] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Paper is very patient - 06Paris Climate Goals Mean Emissions Need to Drop Below Zero - 255 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:12:03] <x> 08└─The focus on greenhouse gasses is just a fraction of what is wrong. The economy is geared towards growth and wealth in a monetary sense. Infinite growth in a finite world is not possible. It is a fallacy we are made to believe by those who profit from it.
[13:12:04] <x> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Paper is very patient - 06Paris Climate Goals Mean Emissions Need to Drop Below Zero - 617 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:12:05] <x> 08└─I'm not sure where you are going with this, but there are clearly large swathes of the economy rooted in natural resources which are either finite (minerals) or effectively finite because they don't grow back as fast as demand requires (lumber). Then there are secondary effects involved in extractio...
[13:12:06] <x> *** new comment: 03Non Sequor [1005] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Paper is very patient - 06Paris Climate Goals Mean Emissions Need to Drop Below Zero - 726 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:12:07] <x> 08└─That's independent from my point. There are a lot of things we're doing that aren't sustainable in their current form. That a mature industry is not sustainable does not mean that growth is not an essential aspect of the economy. It just means that either something else is going to be growing to rep...
[13:12:08] <x> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:1) 02Re:Paper is very patient - 06Paris Climate Goals Mean Emissions Need to Drop Below Zero - 187 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:12:08] <x> 08└─The economy is geared towards growth and wealth in a monetary sense. Infinite growth in a finite world is not possible. It is a fallacy we are made to believe by those who profit from it.
[13:12:10] <x> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] 02are we civilized and smart, or not? - 06Paris Climate Goals Mean Emissions Need to Drop Below Zero - 1462 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:12:10] <x> 08└─Climate Change is a severe test of our wisdom. Are we dumb animals who eat, fuck, shit, and fight each other for food, room, and mates, never trouble with anything higher in life than that? Screw education and learning? Throw civilization under the wildebeests (buses are much too civilized)? Or are...
[13:12:11] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:are we civilized and smart, or not? - 06Paris Climate Goals Mean Emissions Need to Drop Below Zero - 54 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:12:12] <x> 08└─our population has to drop a lot, like, more than 90%.
[13:12:13] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Re:are we civilized and smart, or not? - 06Paris Climate Goals Mean Emissions Need to Drop Below Zero - 1170 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:12:14] <x> 08└─Uh, what article are you responding to? This article was about the fact that in order for nations to meet the greenhouse gas emissions targets, that they set for themselves, that will need to go into the negatives at some point in time. I did not see anything about 'giving up civilization' or 'the g...
[13:12:15] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:are we civilized and smart, or not? - 06Paris Climate Goals Mean Emissions Need to Drop Below Zero - 1693 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:12:16] <x> 08└─Making charcoal but ploughing it into the soil (instead of burying it in mines) has been suggested by others. It's believed the charcoal would persist for thousands of years, and would make the soil more fertile. https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org] https://web.archive.org
[13:12:17] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:are we civilized and smart, or not? - 06Paris Climate Goals Mean Emissions Need to Drop Below Zero - 71 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:12:18] <x> 08└─Environmentalists: "Pol Pot didn't quite go far enough for our tastes!"
[13:12:19] <x> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Gaaark [41] 02TPP - 06Paris Climate Goals Mean Emissions Need to Drop Below Zero - 287 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:12:20] <x> 08└─I didn't read the list of countries, but if the TPP passes, companies will be able to sue the TPP governments if they 'perceive' they have lost money due to having to meet the emissions reduction. Stuff like this is just ONE more reason the TPP needs to be killlllllllllled. Killed dead.
[13:12:21] <x> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:3, Funny) 02Re:TPP - 06Paris Climate Goals Mean Emissions Need to Drop Below Zero - 280 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:12:22] <x> 08└─The free market will solve climate change, TPP allows our masters of international corporations to deliver that free market. The only problem that the TPP has is that it leaves a little power in the hands of the government, when it should rightfully be in the hands of the market.
[13:12:23] <x> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03pe1rxq [844] 02Re:TPP - 06Paris Climate Goals Mean Emissions Need to Drop Below Zero - 119 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:12:23] <x> 08└─Unfortunatly the free market will solve climate change by drowning those wo could not pay to move to higher ground.....
[13:12:24] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:TPP - 06Paris Climate Goals Mean Emissions Need to Drop Below Zero - 86 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:12:25] <x> 08└─I think the free market is going solve it another way [youtube.com]. Once and for all!
[13:12:26] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02TPP won't be adopted quickly - 06Paris Climate Goals Mean Emissions Need to Drop Below Zero - 1969 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:12:27] <x> 08└─It appears that it might even be going back for a rewrite. TPP Ratification Process Grinding To A Halt As Canada Launches "Widespread Consultations" On The Deal [techdirt.com] the arrival of a new government in Canada has meant that the corporate sovereignty provisions in CETA, the Comprehensive Ec...
[13:12:28] <x> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score:2) 02Paris climate accords mean diddly - 06Paris Climate Goals Mean Emissions Need to Drop Below Zero - 526 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:12:29] <x> 08└─China is promising to "do something" in 15 years. India is promising to do something "RSN". These are the 2 biggest up and coming polluters in the world. Meanwhile, we promise to keep "records" of how well we're doing, and to force other countries to keep records of how well they're doing. Their rec...
[13:12:30] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Paris climate accords mean diddly - 06Paris Climate Goals Mean Emissions Need to Drop Below Zero - 241 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:12:31] <x> 08└─China's shit don't stink at least by these stats; they have more nuclear plants coming online than any other country http://www.nei.org [nei.org]
[13:12:32] <x> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:2) 02Dump fertilizer in the ocean? - 06Paris Climate Goals Mean Emissions Need to Drop Below Zero - 249 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:12:33] <x> 08└─I expect there are parts of the ocean that are lacking in essential trace nutrients like iron. Perhaps we could stimulate algae blooms by dumping these nutrients in those parts of the ocean. But then ask an australian about rabbits and cane toads...
[13:12:34] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Evenly Illuminated Earth - 06Paris Climate Goals Mean Emissions Need to Drop Below Zero - 345 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:12:35] <x> 08└─Go find out how climate sensitivity is estimated. Despite this being the biggest problem facing humanity, they cant be bothered to do some calculus and account for the spherical shape of the earth. Isnt it worth it to do that bit of math for a more accurate number? Someone please find out what happe...
[13:12:43] <x> *** new comment: 03TheRaven [270] (Score:4, Informative) 02Also solicitors - 06Work in Finance or Accounting? Watch Out for 'Whaling' Attacks - 670 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:12:44] <x> 08└─There's a similar scam going on with conveyancing solicitors. If they can work out the name and email address of someone who is buying a house and their solicitor (often easy, if you've compromised someone's email account) then they'll send an email purporting to be from the person selling the house...
[13:12:45] <x> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:2) 02Re:Also solicitors - 06Work in Finance or Accounting? Watch Out for 'Whaling' Attacks - 250 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:12:46] <x> 08└─Wouldn't that be relatively easy to track after the fact? I mean, the victims have the account number for the scammers, and it would seem like it would not be a stretch to figure out "Hey, a fraud has been committed here. Hey bank, who was that guy?"
[13:12:47] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Also solicitors - 06Work in Finance or Accounting? Watch Out for 'Whaling' Attacks - 74 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:12:48] <x> 08└─Wouldn't that require that you first know their NNA identification number?
[13:12:49] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Also solicitors - 06Work in Finance or Accounting? Watch Out for 'Whaling' Attacks - 285 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:12:49] <x> 08└─Sure you can get the first person, who is likely a mule off of Craigslist. But then you have to find out who they sent it too, and that might be another mule or an offshore account which is under a different jurisdiction. There is only so much the Feds can do to trace money like that.
[13:12:50] <x> *** new comment: 03bziman [3577] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Also solicitors - 06Work in Finance or Accounting? Watch Out for 'Whaling' Attacks - 250 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:12:51] <x> 08└─Wouldn't that be relatively easy to track after the fact? I mean, the victims have the account number for the scammers, and it would seem like it would not be a stretch to figure out "Hey, a fraud has been committed here. Hey bank, who was that guy?"
[13:12:52] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Use secure e-mail - 06Work in Finance or Accounting? Watch Out for 'Whaling' Attacks - 221 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:12:53] <x> 08└─If pisses me off every time I sign up for a bank account, the user agreement says something to the effect: You agree that messages delivered by e-mail are not secure. As a result, you must use our secure web-site instead.
[13:12:54] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:Use secure e-mail - 06Work in Finance or Accounting? Watch Out for 'Whaling' Attacks - 244 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:12:55] <x> 08└─I suppose S/MIME may not mitigate close domain attacks. If you know an organization using it internally, you can make your phishing message even more convincing by signing it with a similar-looking domain. That may produce a paper trail though.
[13:12:56] <x> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:2) 02Re:Use secure e-mail - 06Work in Finance or Accounting? Watch Out for 'Whaling' Attacks - 37 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:12:57] <x> 08└─There is [...] more than one standard
[13:12:58] <x> *** new comment: 03AndyTheAbsurd [3958] (Score:2) 02Re:Use secure e-mail - 06Work in Finance or Accounting? Watch Out for 'Whaling' Attacks - 247 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:12:59] <x> 08└─Because a very large proportion of the population is either unable or unwilling to use secure e-mail. (I could even argue that a considerable proportion of them are incapable of understanding what "secure" means in this sort of technical context.)
[13:13:00] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Use secure e-mail - 06Work in Finance or Accounting? Watch Out for 'Whaling' Attacks - 190 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:13:01] <x> 08└─Maybe the banks should just provide an email service to all customers, with enforced PGP. All bank statements and online bills get sent there. Have to login to bank's website to use it. Etc.
[13:13:02] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Use secure e-mail - 06Work in Finance or Accounting? Watch Out for 'Whaling' Attacks - 527 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:13:02] <x> 08└─> Because a very large proportion of the population is either unable or unwilling to use secure e-mail. And that is not their fault at all. The user experience for all of these implementations is shit. It's like trying to drive a car with reins instead of a steering wheel - it can be done at very lo...
[13:13:03] <x> *** new comment: 03AndyTheAbsurd [3958] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Dumb employees - 06Work in Finance or Accounting? Watch Out for 'Whaling' Attacks - 281 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:13:04] <x> 08└─Anyone who's taking this sort of direction over e-mail, and not walking over to/calling up the boss and double-checking this sort of thing, deserves to get fired for stupidity. So basically what I'm saying is that the solution for social engineering attacks is social checksumming.
[13:13:05] <x> *** new comment: 03The Archon V2.0 [3887] (Score:2) 02Re:Dumb employees - 06Work in Finance or Accounting? Watch Out for 'Whaling' Attacks - 784 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:13:06] <x> 08└─If only we had that level of control. We got hit with a whaling attack two weeks ago. At least (I'm not completely in the loop) four high-ranking members of the finance department got hit. Three reported the e-mail or spam-binned it because they had the brain to realize the CEO didn't change writing...
[13:13:07] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Dumb employees - 06Work in Finance or Accounting? Watch Out for 'Whaling' Attacks - 176 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:13:08] <x> 08└─Anyone who's taking this sort of direction over e-mail, and not walking over to/calling up the boss and double-checking this sort of thing, deserves to get fired for stupidity.
[13:13:09] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Offtopic) 02its dark, my friend - 06Work in Finance or Accounting? Watch Out for 'Whaling' Attacks - 168 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:13:10] <x> 08└─Well, off tpoic, but there used to be native whales off the coast of whaling japan. Now they have to cross the equator to find fatty meat for the non nuclear night lamp
[13:13:11] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02What if... - 06Work in Finance or Accounting? Watch Out for 'Whaling' Attacks - 213 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:13:12] <x> 08└─The email really did come from your boss? I've seen some crafty stunts from bad bosses screwing the company. Some are really good, shuffling paperwork, transposing numbers, fake customers, refunds to friends, etc.
[13:13:13] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02intranet - 06Work in Finance or Accounting? Watch Out for 'Whaling' Attacks - 202 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:13:14] <x> 08└─Seems like this problem could be lessened by having an intranet with an in-house mail service, and sending all internal e-mails over that. Trouble is, it would require an IT staff to maintain the thing.
[13:13:15] <x> *** new comment: 03anubi [2828] (Score:1) 02Interesting topic... - 06Work in Finance or Accounting? Watch Out for 'Whaling' Attacks - 1925 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:13:15] <x> 08└─I have been an advocate of computer security since I got my first ANSI bomb and realized how dangerous it was to mix code and data. A lot of that has been directed toward privacy, as personal data in the wrong hands results in precisely the kind of "social engineering" this topic is all about. This...
[13:13:16] <x> *** new comment: 03darkfeline [1030] (Score:2) 02Re:Interesting topic... - 06Work in Finance or Accounting? Watch Out for 'Whaling' Attacks - 41 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:13:17] <x> 08└─In Soviet Russia, what you sow reaps you.
[13:13:25] <x> *** new comment: 03PinkyGigglebrain [4458] (Score:2) 02Misleading tittle - 06The First Predicted Supernova Appearance by Gravitational Lensing - 706 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:13:26] <x> 08└─The boffins did not "Predict" that a star was going to go supernova. What did happen was that the galaxy the star is in is behind another galaxy that causes the light to take different paths, "gravitic lensing", so what looks like two galaxies are in fact the same one, just the second image has a sl...
[13:13:27] <x> *** new comment: 03cmn32480 [443] (Score:2) 02Re:Misleading title - 06The First Predicted Supernova Appearance by Gravitational Lensing - 351 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:13:28] <x> 08└─And as I said in the editors note, that I had very little understanding of the topic. Also, please bear in mind that as an editor, we are simply not able to read EVERY article and link as there are far too many. I should think it is also a little rough for you to expect us to understand every topic...
[13:13:29] <x> *** new comment: 03CoolHand [438] (Score:2) 02Re:Misleading title - 06The First Predicted Supernova Appearance by Gravitational Lensing - 61 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:13:30] <x> 08└─Yeah! I for one ain't real bright... but I'm strong as an ox!
[13:13:31] <x> *** new comment: 03cmn32480 [443] (Score:3, Touché) 02Re:Misleading tittle - 06The First Predicted Supernova Appearance by Gravitational Lensing - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:13:32] <x> 08└─And by the way, you misspelled "title". There are only 2 T's in it, not three.
[13:13:33] <x> *** new comment: 03PinkyGigglebrain [4458] (Score:2) 02Re:Misleading tittle - 06The First Predicted Supernova Appearance by Gravitational Lensing - 1166 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:13:34] <x> 08└─Wow, just wow. You have my eternal gratitude for informing me that not only did my finger twitch and generate a third "t" that my auto correct missed, since "tittles" is an actual word (though not suitable for the context of my comment), but also for publicly confirming that you have a long way to g...
[13:13:35] <x> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:Misleading tittle - 06The First Predicted Supernova Appearance by Gravitational Lensing - 699 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:13:36] <x> 08└─I find that tittles are almost never misleading! You do know, don't you, that what was predicted was not the supernova, since that has happened a very long time ago. It was the secondary appearance of the supernova due to the gravitational lensing. Now, this may not be as astonishing as predicting...
[13:13:37] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Misleading tittle - 06The First Predicted Supernova Appearance by Gravitational Lensing - 629 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:13:37] <x> 08└─as an aside. please stop saying that if you were to predict the future of an observed star it would not be a prediction because it all happened a long time ago. since we do not have any information beyond some time t, any statement we make about the state of the system at t+delta t is literally a pr...
[13:13:38] <x> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:Misleading tittle - 06The First Predicted Supernova Appearance by Gravitational Lensing - 375 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:13:39] <x> 08└─And who do you think you are, mister anonymous,, oh, physicist? Well, OK, then. I'll stop. But the point still stands. Yes, it is a prediction, but from the viewpoint of simultaneous time, which does not exist but I think would be a darn good idea, . . . Yeah, I'll just stop. But it still is notewo...
[13:13:40] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Misleading tittle - 06The First Predicted Supernova Appearance by Gravitational Lensing - 568 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:13:41] <x> 08└─well, it would be correct to say that this is a prediction of "general relativity + model of mass distribution between us and the supernova". from the point of view of supernova physics, it's not a prediction, it's just dumb luck. in any case, supernova physics probably did score a victory, in the s...
[13:13:42] <x> *** new comment: 03fliptop [1666] (Score:3, Interesting) 02damn - 06The First Predicted Supernova Appearance by Gravitational Lensing - 151 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:13:43] <x> 08└─I for one am glad stories about the Universe are still being submitted when they almost always generate a low # of comments. This stuff is fascinating.
[13:13:51] <x> *** new comment: 03PizzaRollPlinkett [4512] (Score:4, Interesting) 02They caught a hacker!!! - 06Showbiz Hacker Touted Stolen Celebs' X-Rated Vids, Scripts, Songs - 195 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:13:52] <x> 08└─Like I said last time, they caught a hacker! This script kiddie/social engineer is going to take the punishment by proxy for all hackers. If we spend billions on "cyber" whatever, someone has to.
[13:14:01] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Funny) 02I remember when, I remember - 06What's a Digital Copy Worth? Not Much, Says Peter Sunde's New Machine - 115 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:14:02] <x> 08└─The machine, called Kopismashin is currently set to creating eight million copies of Gnarls Barkley's track 'Crazy'
[13:14:03] <x> *** new comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] (Score:2) 02but is it convincing? - 06What's a Digital Copy Worth? Not Much, Says Peter Sunde's New Machine - 896 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:14:04] <x> 08└─The moronic, scumbag things the MAFIAA does are far more effective at showing the public that copyright law is broken. Every time some crippled hardware refuses to do some perfectly reasonable command asked of it by its owner, like skip an ad, or some obviously fair use or totally unrelated video wa...
[13:14:05] <x> *** new comment: 03mrchew1982 [3565] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:but is it convincing? - 06What's a Digital Copy Worth? Not Much, Says Peter Sunde's New Machine - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:14:06] <x> 08└─What infuriates me is that we are using taxpayer money to enforce a private corporation's monopoly.
[13:14:07] <x> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:but is it convincing? - 06What's a Digital Copy Worth? Not Much, Says Peter Sunde's New Machine - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:14:08] <x> 08└─What infuriates me is that we are using taxpayer money to enforce a private corporation's monopoly.
[13:14:09] <x> *** new comment: 03Francis [5544] (Score:1) 02Re:but is it convincing? - 06What's a Digital Copy Worth? Not Much, Says Peter Sunde's New Machine - 893 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:14:10] <x> 08└─We don't have a history of doing that with imaginary property though. We'd step in with regards to physical counterfeit products because there's fraud involved. But barring a large scale commercial venture selling items that aren't properly licensed for fraud, the whole thing was a civil matter. The...
[13:14:11] <x> *** new comment: 03jdavidb [5690] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:but is it convincing? - 06What's a Digital Copy Worth? Not Much, Says Peter Sunde's New Machine - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:14:12] <x> 08└─What infuriates me is that we are using taxpayer money to enforce a private corporation's monopoly.
[13:14:13] <x> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:but is it convincing? - 06What's a Digital Copy Worth? Not Much, Says Peter Sunde's New Machine - 793 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:14:13] <x> 08└─While I understand that viewpoint, you have to understand that because this artificial monopoly was in fact issued by the society as a whole, agreed upon at the very founding of the nation, the monopoly remains the law of the land, indeed, the law of the world. The "patterns", as you so glibly dismi...
[13:14:14] <x> *** new comment: 03jdavidb [5690] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:but is it convincing? - 06What's a Digital Copy Worth? Not Much, Says Peter Sunde's New Machine - 821 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:14:15] <x> 08└─I don't consider myself to be bound by agreements my ancestors made. If I did I'd be in the Catholic church, I guess. In fact I would say those agreements were wrong in the first place because not everybody agreed to them but everybody was bound by them. I agree with a lot of people that those agree...
[13:14:16] <x> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:but is it convincing? - 06What's a Digital Copy Worth? Not Much, Says Peter Sunde's New Machine - 68 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:14:17] <x> 08└─I don't consider myself to be bound by agreements my ancestors made.
[13:14:18] <x> *** new comment: 03jdavidb [5690] (Score:2) 02Re:but is it convincing? - 06What's a Digital Copy Worth? Not Much, Says Peter Sunde's New Machine - 185 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:14:19] <x> 08└─Yet you dismiss them as patterns and devalue the creative process that the rest of society agrees does exist and is worth granting a temporary monopoly over the patterns to the creator.
[13:14:20] <x> *** new comment: 03jdavidb [5690] (Score:2) 02Re:but is it convincing? - 06What's a Digital Copy Worth? Not Much, Says Peter Sunde's New Machine - 13 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:14:21] <x> 08└─+6 - me, too!
[13:14:22] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Informative) 02Oh they know it - 06What's a Digital Copy Worth? Not Much, Says Peter Sunde's New Machine - 2130 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:14:23] <x> 08└─Oh they know it. They know it quite well. I am 100% sure their accountants have told them this. The value of a song play is near 0. Not quite 0 in some cases but usually just that. The problem they have is the near perfect archives of music that exist. Lets say it is 10 million songs. Lets say peopl...
[13:14:24] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Oh they know it - 06What's a Digital Copy Worth? Not Much, Says Peter Sunde's New Machine - 827 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:14:25] <x> 08└─So essentially, free copying and easy finding(!) of music is still killing the professional music-copier and distributor. There's just less of them and they keep getting bigger. I can't say that I care, at all. It's also nothing new. They're now trying to create a "new" business model out of thin ai...
[13:14:26] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:Oh they know it - 06What's a Digital Copy Worth? Not Much, Says Peter Sunde's New Machine - 251 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:14:26] <x> 08└─But the industry has one last trick up its sleeve. Did I hear you right, did I hear you saying That you're gonna make a copy of a song without paying? Come on guys. I thought you knew better, don't download that torrent. (don't don't don't d-d-don't)
[13:14:28] <x> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:2) 02Re:Oh they know it - 06What's a Digital Copy Worth? Not Much, Says Peter Sunde's New Machine - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:14:28] <x> 08└─I thought you were thinking of this video [youtube.com], which clearly advises viewers to not download songs.
[13:14:29] <x> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score:4, Interesting) 02Re:Oh they know it - 06What's a Digital Copy Worth? Not Much, Says Peter Sunde's New Machine - 999 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:14:30] <x> 08└─Part of their problem is that they got addicted to the money. They jumped right on the technology that made their job easier and cheaper but they didn't pass ANY of the savings on. In some cases, the "legit" downloads cost MORE than buying on CD. Meanwhile, they're de-skilling fast. They probably do...
[13:14:31] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Oh they know it - 06What's a Digital Copy Worth? Not Much, Says Peter Sunde's New Machine - 1028 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:14:32] <x> 08└─"Part of their problem is that they got addicted to the money. They jumped right on the technology that made their job easier and cheaper but they didn't pass ANY of the savings on." What? They didn't "jump right on the technology that made their job easier and cheaper". They spent years ignoring it...
[13:14:33] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Oh they know it - 06What's a Digital Copy Worth? Not Much, Says Peter Sunde's New Machine - 595 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:14:34] <x> 08└─So essentially, free copying and easy finding(!) of music is still killing the professional music-copier and distributor. I deliberately left that out. I wanted to point out that even their current model of music is self destructive. When you have several million of something 1 of something is not n...
[13:14:35] <x> *** new comment: 03wisnoskij [5149] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Oh they know it - 06What's a Digital Copy Worth? Not Much, Says Peter Sunde's New Machine - 507 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:14:36] <x> 08└─Those are some pretty stupid comparisons. Yes, they are competing against all platinum albums ever, but they are not current platinum, they are old and mostly unwanted platinum albums. It would be like saying all current cars are competing against every car and horse carriage design of all time. Lik...
[13:14:37] <x> *** new comment: 03linuxrocks123 [2557] (Score:2) 02Re:Oh they know it - 06What's a Digital Copy Worth? Not Much, Says Peter Sunde's New Machine - 907 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:14:38] <x> 08└─INSIGHTFUL? SERIOUSLY? Parent's is the dumbest argument about anything ever. Creative endeavors != engineering; you don't design a better song by copying exactly what the last guy did and then shortening the critical path so you can increase the tempo. You write a good song -- not necessarily bette...
[13:14:39] <x> *** new comment: 03Appalbarry [66] (Score:4, Insightful) 02/dev/null - 06What's a Digital Copy Worth? Not Much, Says Peter Sunde's New Machine - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:14:39] <x> 08└─If a song is copied to /dev/null and no-one is there to hear it, does it still make a sound?
[13:14:41] <x> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re: /dev/null - 06What's a Digital Copy Worth? Not Much, Says Peter Sunde's New Machine - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:14:41] <x> 08└─If a song is copied to /dev/null and no-one is there to hear it, does it still make a sound?
[13:14:42] <x> *** new comment: 03Yaa101 [4091] (Score:1) 02Re: /dev/null - 06What's a Digital Copy Worth? Not Much, Says Peter Sunde's New Machine - 129 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:14:43] <x> 08└─If you are serious then ask Schrödinger... On a realistic note, nowadays they are able to get sound from photo's of wax rolls...
[13:14:44] <x> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:4, Insightful) 02This is just performance art - 06What's a Digital Copy Worth? Not Much, Says Peter Sunde's New Machine - 152 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:14:45] <x> 08└─"I want to show the absurdity on the process of putting a value to a copy.... [F]ollowing their rhetoric and mindset it will bankrupt them," says Sunde.
[13:14:46] <x> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:This is just performance art - 06What's a Digital Copy Worth? Not Much, Says Peter Sunde's New Machine - 207 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:14:47] <x> 08└─100% correct. It's performance art, not far off from what is done by the likes of Banksy [thisiscolossal.com], Ai Weiwei [npr.org], Simon Denny [theguardian.com], Trevor Paglen [theguardian.com], and others.
[13:14:48] <x> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Don't encourage stupid - 06What's a Digital Copy Worth? Not Much, Says Peter Sunde's New Machine - 2134 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:14:49] <x> 08└─Not taking an absolutist position on copyright. But this stunt is stupid, deliberately misses the point and because most people intuitively know it (even if they can't reason out why) promoting this silliness only undermines the case against overly expansive copyright and invasive enforcement. The d...
[13:14:50] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Don't encourage stupid - 06What's a Digital Copy Worth? Not Much, Says Peter Sunde's New Machine - 317 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:14:51] <x> 08└─For example, if I buy [current poptart]'s latest hit and make a thousand copies I have not yet caused any damage. If I walk down the street and hand them out I have now deprived the copyright holder of the revenue from those who would have otherwise ended up buying a copy, thus I have inflicted some...
[13:14:52] <x> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:2) 02I will download discographies to obtain one song - 06What's a Digital Copy Worth? Not Much, Says Peter Sunde's New Machine - 273 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:14:53] <x> 08└─Even if I can find a torrent of that song; this because discographies usually have lots of seeds. I downloaded every album Bob Dylan ever recorded. I tried to listen to just one of them said to myself man that guy needs a speech therapist. I haven't listened to any others.
[13:14:54] <x> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Retroactive Revocation of copyright - 06What's a Digital Copy Worth? Not Much, Says Peter Sunde's New Machine - 2178 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:14:54] <x> 08└─Copies are not the problem? Of course not, it is producing the master, the original, the first copy, which then, after all, is not a copy! So time to go all Pharma: it is not the cost of production (copying) or distribution (also near zero for online "property"), but the cost of development and ma...
[13:15:02] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02nearly - 06Special Snowflakes No More - 3 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:15:03] <x> 08└─n/t
[13:15:04] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:nearly - 06Special Snowflakes No More - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:15:05] <x> 08└─I create nearly identical turds every morning.
[13:15:06] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:3, Funny) 02Already done - 06Special Snowflakes No More - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:15:07] <x> 08└─Gender studies departments have been pumping out nearly identical special snowflakes for years.
[13:15:08] <x> *** new comment: 03jmoschner [3296] (Score:2) 02Re:Already done - 06Special Snowflakes No More - 481 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:15:09] <x> 08└─They found identical snowflakes as far back as 1988. "in 1988, the scientist Nancy Knight (at the National Center for Atmospheric Research in Boulder, Colorado) was studying wispy high altitude cirrus clouds. Her research plane was collecting snowflakes on a chilled glass slide that was coated with...
[13:15:10] <x> *** new comment: 03dyingtolive [952] (Score:2) 02Re:Already done - 06Special Snowflakes No More - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:15:11] <x> 08└─Now we have to go to tumblr to see that.
[13:15:20] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02How to EOL CGI.bin - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 49 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:15:21] <x> 08└─Python. (Or, actually, anything other than Perl.)
[13:15:22] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:How to EOL CGI.bin - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:15:22] <x> 08└─I was kinda thinking perl should be avoided since it is mainly write-only. Disclaimer: have not really used it much. (if at all)
[13:15:23] <x> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:3, Touché) 02Re:How to EOL CGI.bin - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:15:24] <x> 08└─Perl allows you to create write only shit. So does Python. And Java. And Bash. And whatever you hipsters use.
[13:15:25] <x> *** new comment: 03chromas [34] (Score:3, Touché) 02Old tech? - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:15:26] <x> 08└─We don't want to be seen to encourage the use of a technology which no-one should be using.
[13:15:27] <x> *** new comment: 03jdavidb [5690] (Score:2) 02Re:Old tech? - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 47 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:15:28] <x> 08└─Actually, ironically, Perl 6 shipped yesterday.
[13:15:29] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Systemd-style BULLSHIT - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 108 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:15:30] <x> 08└─Systemd-style BULLSHIT You know opensource is gone when they start removing technologyies "ITS EOL GUIZE!!!"
[13:15:31] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Or put a better way... - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 191 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:15:32] <x> 08└─Why not just keep it with some stdio warning that it is deprecated, and just have perl6 not include it, since everybody is supposed to be migrating to that in the next 15 years anyhow, right?
[13:15:33] <x> *** new comment: 03requerdanos [5997] (Score:1) 02Did it live in /var/www/html/cgi-bin perhaps? - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 204 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:15:34] <x> 08└─requerdanos@aryth:/$ dpkg -l |grep ii\ \ perl\ ii perl 5.20.2-6 amd64 Larry Wall's Practical Extraction and Report Language requerdanos@aryth:/$ find -name CGI.bin requerdanos@aryth:/$
[13:15:35] <x> *** new comment: 03crb3 [5919] (Score:1) 02It's still in CPAN. - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 642 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:15:35] <x> 08└─> If you upgrade to a new version of perl or if you rely on a system or vendor perl and get an updated version of perl through a system update, then you will have to install CGI.pm yourself with cpan/cpanm/a vendor package/manually. To make this a little easier the CGI::Fast module has been split in...
[13:15:36] <x> *** new comment: 03stderr [11] (Score:2) 02Re:Did it live in /var/www/html/cgi-bin perhaps? - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:15:37] <x> 08└─Looks like "CGI.bin" is already "end-of-life"?
[13:15:38] <x> *** new comment: 03stderr [11] (Score:2) 02Re:Did it live in /var/www/html/cgi-bin perhaps? - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:15:39] <x> 08└─I now notice you were just pointing out that the summary got the filename wrong. Well, never mind me then...
[13:15:40] <x> *** new comment: 03mendax [2840] (Score:2) 02Uh oh.... - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:15:41] <x> 08└─This may have ramifications on us Soylentils thanks to the web app's Perl codebase. Time for a rewrite in something modern? Groovy and Grails anyone? Let the flames begin.
[13:15:42] <x> *** new comment: 03mendax [2840] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Uh oh.... - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:15:43] <x> 08└─Of course, this posting may just demonstrate how little I know about (or really care for) Perl.
[13:15:44] <x> *** new comment: 03jdavidb [5690] (Score:2) 02Re:Uh oh.... - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 484 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:15:45] <x> 08└─Rehash doesn't use CGI.pm as far as I know. This is one library from the standard Perl distribution that has been removed. Rehash and Slashcode are seriously higher powered compared to the CGI interface - most commercial hosting providers can't let you run this software because you need to be able t...
[13:15:46] <x> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) 02Re:Uh oh.... - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 68 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:15:47] <x> 08└─What he said. We're straight up mod_perl. Much snazzier than CGI.pm.
[13:15:48] <x> *** new comment: 03jdavidb [5690] (Score:2) 02Re:Uh oh.... - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 215 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:15:49] <x> 08└─From my point of view as a Perl programmer back in the day, the mod_perl stuff is heavy wizardry compared to CGI. :) I probably could have learned it, but never got around to it, so it has an air of mysticism to me.
[13:15:50] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Uh oh.... - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 48 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:15:51] <x> 08└─Everyone knows Go is the language of the future!
[13:15:52] <x> *** new comment: 03Nerdfest [80] (Score:2) 02Re:Uh oh.... - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 443 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:15:53] <x> 08└─Go is pretty nice, but if you want a nicer low-ish level language, check out Rust. Both are too low level for something like a web service though, I think. I'm actually pretty impressed with Groovy and would use it over Java in pretty much all situations, although I haven't got into the Java 8 featu...
[13:15:54] <x> *** new comment: 03HiThere [866] (Score:2) 02Re:Uh oh.... - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 642 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:15:54] <x> 08└─That's not the use case for Perl. Awk would be closer, but is missing many of Perl's features. Perhaps you could do it in bash, but that would limit your coverage to Linux. Perhaps Ruby is the closest replacement, but that, also, is designed for a much different use case. It's hard to think of any s...
[13:15:55] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Uh oh.... - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 81 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:15:56] <x> 08└─It's hard to think of any single language that could well replace what Perl does.
[13:15:57] <x> *** new comment: 03Post-Nihilist [5672] (Score:2) 02Re:Uh oh.... - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 218 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:15:58] <x> 08└─You seems to be right according to http://langref.org [langref.org] : ruby puts "ok" if ("abc 123 @#\$" =~ /\d+/)
[13:15:59] <x> *** new comment: 03requerdanos [5997] (Score:1) 02Re:Uh oh.... - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:16:00] <x> 08└─Perhaps you could do it in bash, but that would limit your coverage to Linux.
[13:16:01] <x> *** new comment: 03Post-Nihilist [5672] (Score:2) 02Re:Uh oh.... - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 596 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:16:02] <x> 08└─Groovy is a great scripting language, it shines were complex bash script would traditionally be used (start the jvm in interpreted mode -Xint when used as a shell scripting language). In bigger project were java is traditionally used, the optional static typing is somewhat problematic. Scala would b...
[13:16:03] <x> *** new comment: 03jamesbond [2383] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Because you all don't need discrete resistors too - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 683 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:16:04] <x> 08└─Yeah, we should discourage and stop distribution of all discrete resistors and capacitors, after all, it's 2015. There is no need for them in the age of FPGAs and surface mounts! Oh wait ... Seriously, unless that CGI.pm is maintenance nightmare and the mother of all security holes, why not let it a...
[13:16:05] <x> *** new comment: 03TheRaven [270] (Score:2) 02Re:Because you all don't need discrete resistors t - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:16:06] <x> 08└─And why is CGI a "technology that no one should not be using"?
[13:16:07] <x> *** new comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Because you all don't need discrete resistors t - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 568 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:16:08] <x> 08└─FastCGI was one answer to this problem with CGI. FastCGI has been around for at least 15 years now. There is also mod_perl, specifically for Perl programs. So, yes, CGI should be retired. Just no reason to use CGI with FastCGI available. The summary could have named some names, instead of saying onl...
[13:16:09] <x> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Because you all don't need discrete resistors t - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 490 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:16:09] <x> 08└─I don't need to scale. I just need to have a simple program executed via a known daemon with known security (Apache) and minimum extras, sometimes called through a web browser, often embedded in a program. I don't need state, I don't need a database, I need to execute a program via a web call. Not e...
[13:16:10] <x> *** new comment: 03richardboegli [400] (Score:1) 02Re:Because you all don't need discrete resistors t - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:16:11] <x> 08└─Agreed, if it works and is not a security issue leave it alone. Why reinvent the wheel if the original requirements are still bring met by the original solution?
[13:16:12] <x> *** new comment: 03jamesbond [2383] (Score:1) 02Re:Because you all don't need discrete resistors t - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 814 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:16:13] <x> 08└─Yeah double negative typo, I know. Unfortunately I can't edit my post, but I'm glad you catch what I meant to say. I know CGI has all those downsides. It doesn't follow though, that *I* should be *prevented* from using it, if I want to - with me accepting all those downsides. Same reasons why nobody...
[13:16:14] <x> *** new comment: 03TheRaven [270] (Score:2) 02Re:Because you all don't need discrete resistors t - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 630 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:16:15] <x> 08└─Discrete resistors have gone up in price as demand has gone down, so it's a fairly good analogy. The problem is that the cost of maintaining all of the legacy CGI crap isn't been covered by the people using it. As long as people are willing to pay for resistors, it makes sense to keep making and sel...
[13:16:16] <x> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:2) 02Re:Because you all don't need discrete resistors t - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 354 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:16:17] <x> 08└─As hardware speeds increase faster than users requirements, this becomes less important over time. Also, being unscalable, its only usable for maybe 95% of the internet, not 100%. For something like machine control its laughable. Unless the chinese have infiltrated, my spectrum analyzer at work will...
[13:16:18] <x> *** new comment: 03TheRaven [270] (Score:2) 02Re:Because you all don't need discrete resistors t - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 302 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:16:19] <x> 08└─Your argument would have merit, if not for the fact that CGI also enforces a more difficult programming style. It now might make sense to burn some cycles in exchange for ease of programming, but it makes absolutely no sense to burn cycles in exchange for harder programming and that's what CGI offer...
[13:16:20] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Because you all don't need discrete resistors t - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 38 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:16:21] <x> 08└─Suppose one is using/reusing old code.
[13:16:22] <x> *** new comment: 03TheRaven [270] (Score:2) 02Re:Because you all don't need discrete resistors t - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 263 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:16:22] <x> 08└─If you're using old code on the web without doing even basic security auditing... then expect complaints when your machine is used in a botnet to attack other people. If you're adapting it, then adapting CGI code to use FastCGI is usually a fairly trivial change.
[13:16:23] <x> *** new comment: 03Pino P [4721] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Because you all don't need discrete resistors t - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 201 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:16:24] <x> 08└─Ignoring the fact that you inserted a double negative when misquoting, CGI spawns a new process for each request. That means that there's no way to keep state internally to the program between requests
[13:16:25] <x> *** new comment: 03ledow [5567] (Score:2) 02Really - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 1942 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:16:26] <x> 08└─I am by no means a zero-day technology enthusiast. I just got onboard with HTML5 after finding that Emscripten lets me bring old C99 programs to the web and that it can replace both Flash and Java, in effect. But, hell, just kill it already. People don't take hints. Dragging technology support forwa...
[13:16:27] <x> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:2) 02Re:Really - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 404 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:16:28] <x> 08└─Basically its women's fashion, applied to tech. Why should anyone be permitted to wear bell bottoms, its current year. Any woman who cares switched to yoga pants a long time ago. Stopping something that works is hard. People will just install it and it'll work great. If you want to sabotage you need...
[13:16:29] <x> *** new comment: 03Marand [1081] (Score:2) 02Re:Really - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 136 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:16:30] <x> 08└─If you want to sabotage you need to throw sand in the gears, actively include trojans and security holes. Thats the only way it'll work.
[13:16:31] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Really - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 130 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:16:32] <x> 08└─It will keep happening until something is done about the saboteurs. They pervade positions of command authority in opensource now.
[13:16:33] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Really - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 451 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:16:34] <x> 08└─Why Soylent/Slash is still developed in Perl, I have no idea. IMHO, Perl comes along for the ride because re-doing the whole thing in some other language *and* retaining familiar features would require too much time and/or money. Dice can't be counted on to do it without their sticky fingers gettin...
[13:16:35] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02CGI is dead, long live CGI - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 254 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:16:35] <x> 08└─I noticed that they didn't give any alternatives in the article. What are you supposed to used instead of CGI.pm? There are good technical reasons for this. CGI is a dying technology. In 2015, there are far better ways to write web applications in Perl.
[13:16:36] <x> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Re:CGI is dead, long live CGI - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 397 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:16:37] <x> 08└─What are you supposed to used instead of CGI.pm? https://metacpan.org [metacpan.org] Idiots I've never seen anyone being so idiotic as to create a webpage using things like "Say something: ", $cgi->textfield( -name => 'user_input' ), $cgi->br, ( $res ?...
[13:16:38] <x> *** new comment: 03PizzaRollPlinkett [4512] (Score:3, Funny) 02wow - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:16:39] <x> 08└─I haven't used Perl for web development since before CGI.pm was even a thing...! I feel old.
[13:16:40] <x> *** new comment: 03E_NOENT [630] (Score:2) 02I don't know, I like Perl. - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:16:41] <x> 08└─I don't find it "write only" at all and to the contrary, find it a very expressive and powerful language. I'll just show myself the door...
[13:16:42] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Long Live the Internet, but Fuck the Web! - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 1375 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:16:43] <x> 08└─In 2015, there are far better ways to write web applications in Perl. Yes, it's called. nph-yourscript.pl. Non Parsed Headers. This allows my custom code direct access to the headers by telling the server not to fuck with my output. Interestingly this is also how I get Apache to run my C programs a...
[13:16:52] <x> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] 02Different perspective - 06Sanders-Clinton Voter Database Hack: a Campaign Pro's Perspective - 1640 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:16:52] <x> 08└─It's easy to suspect that Sanders was set up here. The DNC's clear favorite, is Clinton. The DNC and their contractor is responsible for security. A data breach is an indication that either A: they are incompetent, which would be no surprise. Or, B: the breach was engineered for the purpose of "catc...
[13:16:53] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Different perspective - 06Sanders-Clinton Voter Database Hack: a Campaign Pro's Perspective - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:16:54] <x> 08└─Then why would Sanders apologize instead of raise hellfire? What evidence do we have besides your speculation?
[13:16:55] <x> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Anonymous Coward 02Slashdot had some direct background on the issue. - 06Sanders-Clinton Voter Database Hack: a Campaign Pro's Perspective - 995 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:16:56] <x> 08└─First off, the 'security contractor' was somebody who'd worked for Clinton in the past. Second the 'drops' in the firewall had been happening over the course of WEEKS. The Sanders guy who looked into it was following the assumption that anything on the clinton side they could see clinton's staff wou...
[13:16:57] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0, Redundant) 02Re:Slashdot had some direct background on the issu - 06Sanders-Clinton Voter Database Hack: a Campaign Pro's Perspective - 138 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:16:58] <x> 08└─> Suffice it to say 'government contractor' quality of work. FYI the DNC is not a government organization, that would be unconstitutional.
[13:16:59] <x> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:4, Interesting) 02Re:Different perspective - 06Sanders-Clinton Voter Database Hack: a Campaign Pro's Perspective - 703 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:17:00] <x> 08└─AC already responded - and I'll add that if you read TFA, it is stipulated that the software is 1990's style and quality of software. "The first thing to understand is that NGPVAN is a creaky voter database system that looks, and feels like it was put together in the 1990s" So - shit software, admin...
[13:17:01] <x> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Different perspective - 06Sanders-Clinton Voter Database Hack: a Campaign Pro's Perspective - 296 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:17:02] <x> 08└─In a winner take all world of party politics, allowing the party to manage your campaign contact list just seems sort of dumb. Trusting the other camp by hiring their ex-staffer seems even dumber. And that's about as specific as I can get before the _cough_ progressive troll army descends on me.
[13:17:03] <x> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:Different perspective - 06Sanders-Clinton Voter Database Hack: a Campaign Pro's Perspective - 38 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:17:04] <x> 08└─Mob, Frojack. It's a mob, not an army.
[13:17:05] <x> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Different perspective - 06Sanders-Clinton Voter Database Hack: a Campaign Pro's Perspective - 117 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:17:05] <x> 08└─Still I'm likely to get "mobbed" to hell here on SN by laying any baskets with babies too close to certain doorsteps.
[13:17:07] <x> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:0, Troll) 02Re:Different perspective - 06Sanders-Clinton Voter Database Hack: a Campaign Pro's Perspective - 353 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:17:07] <x> 08└─Let me tell you about mobbing. The Jews really, really want Clinton to win. The supreme ruler of the Democratic party and loyal Israeli Debbie Wasserman-schultz [squarespace.com] will stop at nothing to ensure that all candidates other than Clinton are disqualified or discredited from running. In sh...
[13:17:08] <x> *** new comment: 03Magic Oddball [3847] (Score:2) 02Re:Different perspective - 06Sanders-Clinton Voter Database Hack: a Campaign Pro's Perspective - 198 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:17:09] <x> 08└─I'm clearly missing something — given both Clinton & Sanders are steadfastly pro-Israel, why would Jewish or loyal Israeli people favor a candidate that's Methodist over one that's proudly Jewish?
[13:17:10] <x> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:1) 02Re:Different perspective - 06Sanders-Clinton Voter Database Hack: a Campaign Pro's Perspective - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:17:11] <x> 08└─Good question. Maybe with the Jews, winning a Democrat candidate is a win-win situation. They control everything.
[13:17:12] <x> *** new comment: 03MostCynical [2589] (Score:2) 02Re:Different perspective - 06Sanders-Clinton Voter Database Hack: a Campaign Pro's Perspective - 117 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:17:13] <x> 08└─Isn't this a result of "the party" doing the fund raising, and therefore havinf the money to collect the information?
[13:17:14] <x> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Different perspective - 06Sanders-Clinton Voter Database Hack: a Campaign Pro's Perspective - 5 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:17:15] <x> 08└─Nope.
[13:17:16] <x> *** new comment: 03Whoever [4524] (Score:2) 02Re:Different perspective - 06Sanders-Clinton Voter Database Hack: a Campaign Pro's Perspective - 126 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:17:17] <x> 08└─In a winner take all world of party politics, allowing the party to manage your campaign contact list just seems sort of dumb.
[13:17:18] <x> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Different perspective - 06Sanders-Clinton Voter Database Hack: a Campaign Pro's Perspective - 162 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:17:19] <x> 08└─Lack of tech savvy people in politics? Seriously? We are talking about the DNC - Democratic National Committee here, not the DRC Democratic Republic of the Congo.
[13:17:20] <x> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Anonymous Coward 02Re:Different perspective - 06Sanders-Clinton Voter Database Hack: a Campaign Pro's Perspective - 479 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:17:20] <x> 08└─This is NGP VAN's CEO, [ngpvan.com] who has posted images on Facebook of himself in front of "Ready For Hillary" buses and talking about her campaign trail. Next, examine what Wasserman-Schultz was doing in 2008 before she became the DNC's chair. [wikipedia.org] And for good measure, NGP VAN's v...
[13:17:22] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Rooted? - 06Sanders-Clinton Voter Database Hack: a Campaign Pro's Perspective - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:17:22] <x> 08└─Who rooted Hillary? Inquiring minds want to know, who is Chelsea's daddy?
[13:17:23] <x> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Different perspective - 06Sanders-Clinton Voter Database Hack: a Campaign Pro's Perspective - 496 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:17:24] <x> 08└─The Sanders campaign did raise hellfire, in the form of public petitions and a lawsuit that is still pending. The DNC tried to stop the lawsuit by giving them their data back, but the Sander campaign continued with the suit looking for monetary damages over a breach of the contract between the DNC a...
[13:17:25] <x> *** new comment: 03Whoever [4524] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:Different perspective - 06Sanders-Clinton Voter Database Hack: a Campaign Pro's Perspective - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:17:26] <x> 08└─It's easy to suspect that Sanders was set up here.
[13:17:27] <x> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:2) 02Re:Different perspective - 06Sanders-Clinton Voter Database Hack: a Campaign Pro's Perspective - 515 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:17:28] <x> 08└─Also worth mentioning: 1. Debbie Wasserman-Schultz was Clinton's campaign manager in 2008. In totally unrelated news, the Clinton campaign in 2008 did the exact same thing to the Obama campaign that Sanders' campaign is accused of doing to the Clinton campaign. 2. The owner of the contracting compan...
[13:17:29] <x> *** new comment: 03CirclesInSand [2899] (Score:2) 02Re:Different perspective - 06Sanders-Clinton Voter Database Hack: a Campaign Pro's Perspective - 88 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:17:30] <x> 08└─It's easy to suspect that Sanders was set up here. The DNC's clear favorite, is Clinton.
[13:17:31] <x> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:Different perspective - 06Sanders-Clinton Voter Database Hack: a Campaign Pro's Perspective - 695 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:17:32] <x> 08└─That does make a kind of sense, but I see two problems with that. 1. Hillary has access to hundreds of millions of dollars, and she is more able to pay off political favors than anyone in the field, except for Trump. 2. As had been repeatedly pointed out in this discussion, Wasserman-Schultz and her...
[13:17:33] <x> *** new comment: 03captain normal [2205] (Score:2) 02Re:Different perspective - 06Sanders-Clinton Voter Database Hack: a Campaign Pro's Perspective - 185 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:17:33] <x> 08└─This all so confusing to me. Just which actor is Don Pedro, which is Claudio, which is Hero, and who is Don John is this farce. Notice: this is a test. You will be graded appropriately.
[13:17:34] <x> *** new comment: 03quixote [4355] (Score:1, Troll) 02OP missing important parts of the article - 06Sanders-Clinton Voter Database Hack: a Campaign Pro's Perspective - 1988 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:17:35] <x> 08└─However, the access logs do show that Sanders staff pulled not one but multiple lists—not searches, but lists—a fact that shows intent to export and use. And the lists were highly sensitive material. News reports have indicated that the data was “sent to personal folders” of the campaign sta...
[13:17:36] <x> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Bill Dimm [940] 02Jumping to Conclusions? - 06Sanders-Clinton Voter Database Hack: a Campaign Pro's Perspective - 157 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:17:37] <x> 08└─However, the access logs do show that Sanders staff pulled not one but multiple lists—not searches, but lists—a fact that shows intent to export and use.
[13:17:38] <x> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Jumping to Conclusions? - 06Sanders-Clinton Voter Database Hack: a Campaign Pro's Perspective - 803 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:17:39] <x> 08└─I suggest that pulling multiple lists was simply gathering evidence that could be compared to Sanders own lists to show that Clinton had been using this same security hole for months and months. Comparing when a name showed up on a Sanders lists to the time the same name appeared on Clinton's lists...
[13:17:40] <x> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:4, Interesting) 02Re:Jumping to Conclusions? - 06Sanders-Clinton Voter Database Hack: a Campaign Pro's Perspective - 323 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:17:41] <x> 08└─The one key bit of evidence in the whole thing was how quickly the DNC backed down when Sanders' campaign filed suit. The one thing they definitely don't want is a discovery process where the Sander campaign can subpoena stuff from the DNC about their decision. Sanders, not being dumb, is continuing...
[13:17:42] <x> *** new comment: 03Magic Oddball [3847] (Score:3, Informative) 02Yep — read the interviews with Sanders' staff - 06Sanders-Clinton Voter Database Hack: a Campaign Pro's Perspective - 1582 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:17:43] <x> 08└─That matches what Sanders' staff has said in interviews like this one in a US Uncut article [usuncut.com] among many others: Josh Uretsky, Sanders’ national data director, viewed, searched, and even transferred some of the data on the server itself, but insists that he did not act inappropriately...
[13:17:44] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Jumping to Conclusions? - 06Sanders-Clinton Voter Database Hack: a Campaign Pro's Perspective - 305 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:17:45] <x> 08└─That is one of those facts where the entire meaning is decided by who provides the context. That's the way people lie, even to themselves because when you aren't aware, or choose to ignore, the rest of the story it makes the narrative so black and white and simple minds love black and white explanat...
[13:17:53] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Well. - 06Psychology Practice Revealed Patients’ Mental Disorders in Debt Lawsuits - 14 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:17:54] <x> 08└─that's insane.
[13:17:55] <x> *** new comment: 03davester666 [155] (Score:2) 02Re:Well. - 06Psychology Practice Revealed Patients’ Mental Disorders in Debt Lawsuits - 202 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:17:56] <x> 08└─They had to specify all this information, to uniquely identify the target of the lawsuit. Otherwise, it could be any one of a number of people named "Jim Turner" residing at 300 South Beach St., SF, CA.
[13:17:57] <x> *** new comment: 03fliptop [1666] (Score:1, Disagree) 02paper vs. electronic - 06Psychology Practice Revealed Patients’ Mental Disorders in Debt Lawsuits - 140 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:17:58] <x> 08└─Who would have guessed that using paper instead of electronic records would make disclosure of confidential medical information more likely?
[13:17:59] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:3, Touché) 02Re:paper vs. electronic - 06Psychology Practice Revealed Patients’ Mental Disorders in Debt Lawsuits - 249 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:17:59] <x> 08└─Uh no. Was it really so hard to RTFS? HIPPA makes it legal to disclose when its on paper, but illegal when it is on a computer. Sounds like you've let your moral sanctimony blind you to the whole truth. Seems to be a pretty common thing around here.
[13:18:00] <x> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score:3, Touché) 02Re:paper vs. electronic - 06Psychology Practice Revealed Patients’ Mental Disorders in Debt Lawsuits - 168 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:18:01] <x> 08└─Yes, those children absolutely should have quit elementary school and gotten a job to pay their debts...Or perhaps not. You're also assuming those debts were all valid.
[13:18:02] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02All paper seems unlikely - 06Psychology Practice Revealed Patients’ Mental Disorders in Debt Lawsuits - 135 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:18:03] <x> 08└─It may be premature to give up on Hipaa. I'd bet that somewhere in the process, somebody used electronic means to transfer information.
[13:18:11] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02When you hear spycar - 06Google and Ford to Collaborate on Autonomous Vehicles - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:18:12] <x> 08└─you think of some cool gadgety wonder, something James Bond would use instead of a pretty basic vehicle which just happens to spy on you...
[13:18:20] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02How about insects - 06Computer Program Can Find New Chemical Combos to Kill Pathogenic Yeast - 256 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:18:21] <x> 08└─Insects cause millions of dollars worth of damage to crops and homes every year. How about focucing this processing power there too? Insects also attack humans. We do not have a cure for bird mite infestation or other mite based diseases. --- aftermite.com
[13:18:22] <x> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:How about insects - 06Computer Program Can Find New Chemical Combos to Kill Pathogenic Yeast - 75 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:18:22] <x> 08└─Yeast and bacteria are a lot simpler than insects, and can be grown faster.
[13:18:30] <x> *** new comment: 03snufu [5855] (Score:2) 02Note to CEOs and MBAs - 06Semiconductor Industry Consolidation to Continue after Record 2015 - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:18:31] <x> 08└─Demand year over year growth all you want, Mother nature (physics) always has the final say.
[13:18:32] <x> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Re:Note to CEOs and MBAs - 06Semiconductor Industry Consolidation to Continue after Record 2015 - 160 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:18:33] <x> 08└─why should they care? the current CEO fashion to Maximise Shareholder Value is mega-mergers... borrowing is still cheap, buying is easy, new yachts are waiting.
[13:18:41] <x> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Porn. - 06Virtual Reality’s Killer App: Taking Over Your Social Life - 49 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:18:42] <x> 08└─Standing in the middle of an orgy looking around.
[13:18:43] <x> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03cmn32480 [443] 02Re:Porn. - 06Virtual Reality’s Killer App: Taking Over Your Social Life - 102 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:18:44] <x> 08└─Porn drove VHS, DVD, and the massive expansion of the internet. Why should this tech be any different?
[13:18:45] <x> *** new comment: 03Tork [3914] (Score:4, Funny) 02Re:Porn. - 06Virtual Reality’s Killer App: Taking Over Your Social Life - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:18:46] <x> 08└─Not being able to hear someone entering the room...
[13:18:47] <x> *** new comment: 03cmn32480 [443] (Score:2) 02Re:Porn. - 06Virtual Reality’s Killer App: Taking Over Your Social Life - 48 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:18:48] <x> 08└─That has the makings of a crummy porn script....
[13:18:49] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Insightful) 02Social VR will flop without expressiveness - 06Virtual Reality’s Killer App: Taking Over Your Social Life - 610 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:18:50] <x> 08└─> [...] fully tracked and rendered avatars [...] This is key and I'm not sure how much focus this aspect is getting yet. The key difference between traditional online social venues and VR is the immersive dynamics of in-person expressiveness. Without the avatar conveying facial expressions and body...
[13:18:51] <x> *** new comment: 03Zinho [759] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Social VR will flop without expressiveness - 06Virtual Reality’s Killer App: Taking Over Your Social Life - 705 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:18:52] <x> 08└─+0 agree :) I just got around to reading Snow Crash, and I'm amazed at how much it still seems fresh and predictive after all this time (published in 1992)! Stephenson makes a big deal about the difference in experience between a good social avatar and a bad one, pointing out that "flat" avatars (in...
[13:18:53] <x> *** new comment: 03Francis [5544] (Score:2, Insightful) 02This is bad - 06Virtual Reality’s Killer App: Taking Over Your Social Life - 520 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:18:54] <x> 08└─Seriously, this is bad, social media has done enough harm to social interactions as it is. Now we're talking about completely removing any and all need to pay attention or generally care about the people we're interacting with all so media companies can spy on our every move and remove any vestige o...
[13:18:55] <x> *** new comment: 03Tork [3914] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:This is bad - 06Virtual Reality’s Killer App: Taking Over Your Social Life - 266 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:18:55] <x> 08└─Social media has harmed social interaction? I must have missed that memo while I was spending Christmas Morning with a friend I hadn't seen in a couple of years but kept up with over social media. I wonder how much I've missed by never memorizing their phone number.
[13:18:56] <x> *** new comment: 03Francis [5544] (Score:2, Insightful) 02Re:This is bad - 06Virtual Reality’s Killer App: Taking Over Your Social Life - 887 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:18:57] <x> 08└─Yes, it's bad. If you don't use social media, you're a pariah. A handful of times each year I'll hear from someone without first sending an email or calling. And that's if I'm lucky. As often as not I don't even get a response. I've been out of highschool for 16 years and we haven't had a reunion. I...
[13:18:58] <x> *** new comment: 03Geotti [1146] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:This is bad - 06Virtual Reality’s Killer App: Taking Over Your Social Life - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:18:59] <x> 08└─A handful of times each year I'll hear from someone without first sending an email or calling. And that's if I'm lucky.
[13:19:00] <x> *** new comment: 03Francis [5544] (Score:1) 02Re:This is bad - 06Virtual Reality’s Killer App: Taking Over Your Social Life - 522 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:19:01] <x> 08└─I'm better off without people that are so lazy they can't be bothered to keep up with me without having to be nagged about it constantly or have a huge monument to my ego available at all hours of the day and night to eliminate the need to actually talk with me. I sort of understand in the past wher...
[13:19:02] <x> *** new comment: 03TheRaven [270] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:This is bad - 06Virtual Reality’s Killer App: Taking Over Your Social Life - 1434 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:19:03] <x> 08└─I agree with both of you. Social media, as a concept, is not a bad thing unless taken to extremes (since the invention of the letter, some people have retreated from the real world and substituted telecommunication, but they're generally outliers). The problem with the current implementation of soci...
[13:19:04] <x> *** new comment: 03Anal Pumpernickel [776] (Score:2) 02Re:This is bad - 06Virtual Reality’s Killer App: Taking Over Your Social Life - 610 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:19:05] <x> 08└─Social media is garbage and people should not use it. Why support massive surveillance engines that abuse the users in every way possible? It's foolish. With that said, not everyone is all that interested in social reaction. Extreme introverts, for example. Reality is boring and ugly and I could use...
[13:19:06] <x> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03martyb [76] 02not social, but... - 06Virtual Reality’s Killer App: Taking Over Your Social Life - 1487 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:19:07] <x> 08└─I realize this is not a social application, but I would like to see VR used as a software development and debugging environment. I hearken back from the day of physical TTYs with yellow roll paper. I've seen the progression to dumb, monochrome 80x25 monitors. Then the introduction of color displays...
[13:19:08] <x> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03blackhawk [5275] 02Re:not social, but... - 06Virtual Reality’s Killer App: Taking Over Your Social Life - 3754 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:19:08] <x> 08└─You can do part of this already using Windows software that pushes the desktop onto the VR device instead. The implementation is usually just one curved window floating in front of you, but there's no reason that a "VR Enabled" app couldn't throw it's windows up wherever it liked. IDE's already allo...
[13:19:09] <x> *** new comment: 03TheRaven [270] (Score:2) 02Re:not social, but... - 06Virtual Reality’s Killer App: Taking Over Your Social Life - 106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:19:10] <x> 08└─Imagine donning your goggles, and being able to bring up as many different 'monitors' as you need or want.
[13:19:11] <x> *** new comment: 03Geotti [1146] (Score:2) 02Re:not social, but... - 06Virtual Reality’s Killer App: Taking Over Your Social Life - 29 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:19:12] <x> 08└─having to move my head around
[13:19:13] <x> *** new comment: 03Gravis [4596] (Score:3, Funny) 02my prediction: - 06Virtual Reality’s Killer App: Taking Over Your Social Life - 230 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:19:14] <x> 08└─VR will remain overpriced, highly proprietary and will be relegated to gaming platforms until we get more advanced/libre software for 3d capture/creation. it should happen about the same time as "the year of the linux desktop". :P
[13:19:15] <x> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:my prediction: - 06Virtual Reality’s Killer App: Taking Over Your Social Life - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:19:16] <x> 08└─*Virtual year of the virtual linux desktop
[13:19:17] <x> *** new comment: 03Tork [3914] (Score:2) 02Re:my prediction: - 06Virtual Reality’s Killer App: Taking Over Your Social Life - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:19:18] <x> 08└─What does 'libre software for 3d capture/creation' have to do with it?
[13:19:19] <x> *** new comment: 03Gravis [4596] (Score:2) 02Re:my prediction: - 06Virtual Reality’s Killer App: Taking Over Your Social Life - 137 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:19:20] <x> 08└─libre software is how you get small companies and indie developers with more radical ideas involved that aren't strictly profit oriented.
[13:19:21] <x> *** new comment: 03PinkyGigglebrain [4458] (Score:2) 02Re:my prediction: - 06Virtual Reality’s Killer App: Taking Over Your Social Life - 81 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:19:21] <x> 08└─... it should happen about the same time as "the year of the linux desktop". :P "
[13:19:22] <x> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:3, Funny) 02I have one word for you - 06Virtual Reality’s Killer App: Taking Over Your Social Life - 44 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:19:23] <x> 08└─Just one word: "Teledildonics." Enough said.
[13:19:24] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I have one word for you - 06Virtual Reality’s Killer App: Taking Over Your Social Life - 20 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:19:25] <x> 08└─ASMRVR (gone sexual)
[13:19:26] <x> *** new comment: 03Hyperturtle [2824] (Score:2) 02Re:I have one word for you - 06Virtual Reality’s Killer App: Taking Over Your Social Life - 290 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:19:27] <x> 08└─But, this is VR. This isn't a tele-communicable dildonifier. You can see the virtual representation of a floating dildos, which of course is not as good as the real thing, even if the result is impressive. http://www.somethingawful.com [somethingawful.com]
[13:19:28] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Predicted more than 100 years ago. - 06Virtual Reality’s Killer App: Taking Over Your Social Life - 105 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:19:29] <x> 08└─"The Machine Stops" by E.M. Forster http://archive.ncsa.illinois.edu [illinois.edu]
[13:19:39] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Funny) 02KRNL386 - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:19:40] <x> 08└─I predict that Windows 3.1 will make a triumphant return. And this glorious new era of computing wil be ushered in with a ta-da [youtube.com]!
[13:19:41] <x> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03julian [6003] 02One OS to rule them all - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 1340 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:19:42] <x> 08└─They want everyone on Windows 10, which will eventually just become "Windows", a rolling release that's ad/subscription supported and does most of the work "in the cloud". Computers will be little more than wireless high-speed terminals connecting to the Redmond mainframe which controls all the user...
[13:19:43] <x> *** new comment: 03driverless [4770] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:One OS to rule them all - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 362 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:19:44] <x> 08└─Another useful anti-malware tool is the GWX Control Panel [ultimateoutsider.com], which in recent releases has added a monitoring mode to check for other Windows components quietly re-enabling the Win10 downgrade after it's been explicitly disabled by the user. It's like Spybot's monitoring mode, ex...
[13:19:45] <x> *** new comment: 03N3Roaster [3860] (Score:2) 02Re:One OS to rule them all - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 147 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:19:46] <x> 08└─Little did we know at the time that Pretty Sammy was a documentary. https://www.youtube.com [youtube.com]
[13:19:47] <x> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:One OS to rule them all - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 309 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:19:48] <x> 08└─I don't believe your prediction. Because its just too easy to switch to Linux these days, and with LibreOffice doing just about everything, 99.44% of every office workload can be run on Linux just fine. Custom windows application? Yeah that's a problem, but not an insurmountable one. You can run tho...
[13:19:49] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Troll) 02Re:One OS to rule them all - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 1014 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:19:50] <x> 08└─Well, here is my story. I myself use ThinkPads for the last *teen years so no issue here. Yes, sure, it's Linux. A year ago I bought a modern laptop for my girlfriend with Linux preinstalled. It took me 48 hours to get it right mostly because of wrong drivers and reminded me of win 98 nightmare. But...
[13:19:51] <x> *** new comment: 03Tork [3914] (Score:2) 02Re:One OS to rule them all - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 80 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:19:51] <x> 08└─How well do these VMs handle 3D... since, you know, most apps use 3D these days.
[13:19:52] <x> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:One OS to rule them all - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:19:53] <x> 08└─Actuallty, they don't. Maybe games. But not your average business custom app.
[13:19:54] <x> *** new comment: 03Tork [3914] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:One OS to rule them all - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:19:55] <x> 08└─Actuallty, they don't. Maybe games. But not your average business custom app.
[13:19:56] <x> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:One OS to rule them all - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 395 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:19:57] <x> 08└─Well, I do all my development in Virtual machines for isolation purposes, and because I can move entire machines between worstations simply by copying VM files. I've not noticed any issue with 3D, or with anything refusing to run. Now obviously I can't speak to all applications. But I haven't had an...
[13:19:58] <x> *** new comment: 03Geotti [1146] (Score:2) 02Re:One OS to rule them all - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:19:59] <x> 08└─Hello traveller and welcome to 2015, You seem to have missed a lot in your cryogenic sleep, but here's a quick rundown of what has happened in the past years [reddit.com].
[13:20:00] <x> *** new comment: 03SDRefugee [4477] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:One OS to rule them all - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 770 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:20:01] <x> 08└─But what I think will happen, if too many of us move off Windows, to Linux, is the government, which is already well down the "1984" rathole, will just start making life tough for those who don't "suck on the MS teat".. I supported/used Windows in my day (and night jobs) since Windows 3.11, but when...
[13:20:02] <x> *** new comment: 03melikamp [1886] (Score:2) 02Re:One OS to rule them all - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:20:03] <x> 08└─Security will actually improve
[13:20:04] <x> *** new comment: 03Hairyfeet [75] (Score:2) 02Re:One OS to rule them all - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 1464 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:20:04] <x> 08└─What has AMD done? Can you name one example? Because all I've seen them do the past few years is embrace the four freedoms [amd.com] and open all their software to the community. As for MSFT? They will either change or they will die, simple as that. The fact they are trying to force Win 10 (which is...
[13:20:05] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Troll) 02Re:One OS to rule them all - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 304 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:20:06] <x> 08└─Intel has a hardware backdoor / vnc server in VPro/AMT. Pulls from frame buffer. Don't know about AMD. Some of their chipsets have remote management, some do not. With intel it's all of them, and remotely re-enableable. They want to catch men who like young girls. This is a feminist world. A cunt st...
[13:20:07] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:One OS to rule them all - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 64 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:20:08] <x> 08└─>Thankfully we have Linux .... which will exist forever. Systemd
[13:20:09] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:One OS to rule them all - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 64 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:20:10] <x> 08└─>Thankfully we have Linux .... which will exist forever. Systemd
[13:20:11] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:One OS to rule them all - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 507 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:20:12] <x> 08└─There have been a number of end runs on open software going on. Only time will tell if the forks will show that openness sees this all as damage suckessfully routes around it. opensolaris -> illumos Java -> openjdk Openoffice -> libreoffice Mysql -> mariadb Firefox -> palemoon Thunderbird -> fossama...
[13:20:13] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02''Debian -> devuan'' - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 769 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:20:14] <x> 08└─For folks who want something a bit more mature, antiX [freeforums.org] has been around since 2006. It was originally spun off of MEPIS. It's on the list. [without-systemd.org] It will run on just about anything. [google.com] Since MEPIS' chief developer abandoned that project, to fill that void, ant...
[13:20:15] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:One OS to rule them all - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 501 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:20:16] <x> 08└─I may be forced onto Windows 10 eventually myself, but for general computing I'm more and more using Linux anyway. If I get a computer with Windows 10, it'll be strictly for gaming and using particular programs that won't run under Linux. In instances where I have a choice though, I'll have it set u...
[13:20:17] <x> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:2) 02What if you don't have an Internet connection? - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 1292 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:20:17] <x> 08└─I worked in a shop where we all had two windows boxen; one was connected to the Internet, the other was in a securely locked rack, with ethernet KVMs to our desktops. Only three employees had keys to those racks. I also have a friend who is a paralegal, he writes briefs for attorneys. His partner is...
[13:20:19] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Insightful) 02If Microsoft wanted to be really evil... - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 1259 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:20:19] <x> 08└─I suspect if Microsoft wanted to be really evil, whey could push firmware updates that make the computer refuse to boot (non-signed) Linux or BSD. When I have told people that Microsoft may hold everybody's computers hostage, demanding an annual payment, I am met with skepticism. The reason is that...
[13:20:20] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:If Microsoft wanted to be really evil... - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 257 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:20:21] <x> 08└─there will be EULA pushes before that happens where users will have clicked away their rights to seek any recourse. the courts have more or less said that these EULAs stand up in court, and thus we will have no standing to sue, if it hasnt happened already.
[13:20:22] <x> *** new comment: 03Geotti [1146] (Score:2) 02Re:If Microsoft wanted to be really evil... - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 68 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:20:23] <x> 08└─the courts have more or less said that these EULAs stand up in court
[13:20:24] <x> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Jiro [3176] 02Re:If Microsoft wanted to be really evil... - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 146 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:20:25] <x> 08└─I suspect if Microsoft wanted to be really evil, whey could push firmware updates that make the computer refuse to boot (non-signed) Linux or BSD.
[13:20:26] <x> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2, Informative) 02Re:If Microsoft wanted to be really evil... - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 479 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:20:27] <x> 08└─UEFI does not prevent Linux or BSD from booting. UEFI is really a useless addition, offering no believable protection. But it also does not prevent the installation of other OSes. Not only does windows offer to sign any linux distro shims (to avoid the FTC perhaps) but there is also a pure linux UEF...
[13:20:28] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:If Microsoft wanted to be really evil... - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 122 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:20:29] <x> 08└─You do know, don't you, that Microsoft can't just flip a switch and force the entire world to run Windows because of UEFI?
[13:20:30] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Re:If Microsoft wanted to be really evil... - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 299 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:20:31] <x> 08└─Not only does windows offer to sign any linux distro shims (to avoid the FTC perhaps) but there is also a pure linux UEFI signing project as well as a FreeBSD project underway. You do know, don't you, that Microsoft can't just flip a switch and force the entire world to run Windows because of UEFI?
[13:20:32] <x> *** new comment: 03Jiro [3176] (Score:2) 02Re:If Microsoft wanted to be really evil... - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 48 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:20:32] <x> 08└─UEFI does not prevent Linux or BSD from booting.
[13:20:33] <x> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:If Microsoft wanted to be really evil... - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 287 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:20:34] <x> 08└─Seems pretty clear to me that the statement made no such distinction, and was a blanket assertion that Microsoft was in a position to enforce Windows as the ONLY operating system allowed in the world. But I'll go back and re-read what was actually written, if you promise to do the same.
[13:20:35] <x> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:If Microsoft wanted to be really evil... - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 146 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:20:36] <x> 08└─I suspect if Microsoft wanted to be really evil, whey could push firmware updates that make the computer refuse to boot (non-signed) Linux or BSD.
[13:20:37] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Re:If Microsoft wanted to be really evil... - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 253 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:20:38] <x> 08└─Would Sony spread DRM malware? Would Sony remove OtherOS from people's consoles? Would Evil Corporation do Evil Thing X? Yes. Yes they would, if given the opportunity. Our bought-and-paid-for government will perhaps eventually give them the opportunity.
[13:20:39] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:If Microsoft wanted to be really evil... - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 582 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:20:40] <x> 08└─"I suspect if Microsoft wanted to be really evil, whey could push firmware updates that make the computer refuse to boot (non-signed) Linux or BSD." Uh. I can see Microsoft getting sued into the ground if they seriously tried to stop alternate OSes from being run on hardware they don't own. I can se...
[13:20:41] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:4, Insightful) 02Wrong question - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 2405 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:20:42] <x> 08└─I think that we need to start at least one layer higher: What is Microsoft trying to do? The innocent but technically adept user would guess that they are deliberately trying to be as intrusively annoying as conceivably possible, but since that would be counter to their business practices (and actio...
[13:20:43] <x> *** new comment: 03driverless [4770] (Score:2, Interesting) 02Re:Wrong question - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 372 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:20:43] <x> 08└─Corporate customers are a huge cash cow for Redmond, because they regularly (well, semi-regularly) refresh their installations, install expensive premium versions of Microsoft software, and generally manage their own patching and other maintenance with a minimum of drama. This new regime isn't for t...
[13:20:45] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Wrong question - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 1244 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:20:45] <x> 08└─I have Windows 7 retail, and I never received any of the GWX nag screens. Most likely it's because I disabled the "Recommended" updates (i.e.: optional, previously known as "not security updates"), and left the "Important" (i.e.: critical security updates) enabled. After the August 2014 font patch f...
[13:20:46] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Wrong question - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:20:47] <x> 08└─The innocent but technically adept user would guess that they are deliberately trying to be as intrusively annoying as conceivably possible...
[13:20:48] <x> *** new comment: 03Gravis [4596] (Score:4, Interesting) 02it's MS, expect to be screwed. - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 74 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:20:49] <x> 08└─is MS also going to force feed Win10 to the professional/enterprise world?
[13:20:50] <x> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:2) 02Going forward, we will focus on our core competen- - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 126 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:20:51] <x> 08└─-cies so as to maximize shareholder value. Why don't business people just say "In the future"? Are they ever "going backward"?
[13:20:52] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Going forward, we will focus on our core compet - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 28 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:20:53] <x> 08└─Out of abundance of caution.
[13:20:54] <x> *** new comment: 03Tork [3914] (Score:2) 02Re:Going forward, we will focus on our core compet - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 57 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:20:55] <x> 08└─Hyphenating between the subject and the body? Seriously?
[13:20:56] <x> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:3, Touché) 02I'm from Kuro5hin. - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:20:57] <x> 08└─anti-crapflood measures have no effect on me.
[13:20:58] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Re:Going forward, we will focus on our core compet - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:20:58] <x> 08└─Why don't business people just say "In the future"? Are they ever "going backward"?
[13:20:59] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Chrome OS - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 844 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:21:00] <x> 08└─What Microsoft wants is what Google already has with Chrome OS. They want you to rent the OS and space in their cloud for all of your data. They want you to do this for your 'home PC', tablet and your phone. They want you to buy everything through the Windows Store so they get a cut, just like Apple...
[13:21:01] <x> *** new comment: 03istartedi [123] (Score:2, Interesting) 02Re:Chrome OS - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 849 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:21:02] <x> 08└─This. And let met add that they also want to be Apple. I've been harping on this for a while, but I'm in the mood to harp again. IMHO, It's a fatal strategic blunder on MS's part. We already have an Apple and a Google. Thus, the very best they could hope for with that strategy is to be the people wh...
[13:21:03] <x> *** new comment: 03Geotti [1146] (Score:2) 02Re:Chrome OS - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 74 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:21:04] <x> 08└─The question for me is "Who will step in to do what Microsoft used to do?"
[13:21:05] <x> *** new comment: 03istartedi [123] (Score:2, Interesting) 02Re:Chrome OS - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 353 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:21:06] <x> 08└─I know a lot of people think that; but when there is truly no alternative to a vertically integrated hardware world of Apple, or an advertiser-driven world of Google you just might change your minds. It looks like we're drifting closer to that kind of world. Don't say I didn't warn y'all, because I'...
[13:21:07] <x> *** new comment: 03RamiK [1813] (Score:2) 02What future? - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 618 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:21:08] <x> 08└─PCs aren't selling. RAM isn't selling. Win10 isn't selling. You might as well ask about the future of CDs... More specifically, Microsoft can no longer afford hiring enough staff to maintain their huge code-base. They're taking shortcuts on QA and are pushing Win10 free to private consumers in hopes...
[13:21:09] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Linux - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 170 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:21:10] <x> 08└─Microsoft is in a 10 year plan to convert Windows to a Linux code base. They can't afford not to do this, and doing so opens up hundreds of possibilities for the company.
[13:21:11] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Linux - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft OS's Going Forward - 8 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:21:12] <x> 08└─Systemd.
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[14:10:08] <x> *** new comment: 03Unixnut [5779] (Score:1) 02I guess it make sense. - 06Men More Likely to Go Missing on Night Out in the UK in December Than Any Other Time of Year - 656 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:10:08] <x> 08└─Women are always encouraged to go out in pairs, or larger groups, in order to reduce the likelyhool of assaults/rapes. They also tend to look out for each other, which includes getting home (e.g. sharing a cab, or staying over). Men are not encouraged to go out in groups, and I can imagine men are m...
[14:10:19] <x> *** new comment: 03ledow [5567] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Can confirm - 06In Sweden, a Cash-Free Future Nears - 182 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:10:19] <x> 08└─Equally, however, mugging me for my wallet is pretty pointless. With Chip & PIN the card is useless unless you want to drag me round town in front of ATM cameras trying PINs for you.
[14:10:20] <x> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Swish and the NYTimes article. - 06In Sweden, a Cash-Free Future Nears - 1188 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:10:20] <x> 08└─Reading the article in the NYT I note that this was a very big city centric article (Stockholm, Stockholm != Sweden, it's just the capital), sort of like NYC isn't all of America. If the ABBA museum doesn't accept cash as payment they could be breaking the law. Doubtful that anyone will report them...
[14:10:21] <x> *** new comment: 03Unixnut [5779] (Score:1) 02A bad development - 06In Sweden, a Cash-Free Future Nears - 4027 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:10:22] <x> 08└─This is a bad development, for too many reasons to type here, but I will list some. Sorry for the length, it would have been even longer if I went into full detail :-) 1. As mentioned, the loss of anonymity is quite something. It doesn't have to be due to tax avoidance reasons, some people may not w...
[14:10:56] <x> *** new comment: 03Pslytely Psycho [1218] (Score:2) 02Damn, I feel old now... - 06Beatles Music Joins Streaming Services - 260 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:10:56] <x> 08└─One of my earliest memories is me and my younger brother running around in circles yelling "Yeah, yeah, yeah" after seeing them on the Ed Sullivan show on our black and white TV. I was 5. I believe that would make them my earliest remembered musical influance.
[14:11:39] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Science is not settled - 06Paris Climate Goals Mean Emissions Need to Drop Below Zero - 29 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:11:39] <x> 08└─(degrees Fahrenheit, that is)
[14:11:59] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Evenly Illuminated Earth - 06Paris Climate Goals Mean Emissions Need to Drop Below Zero - 97 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:11:59] <x> 08└─I looked for it and found this: http://mind.ofdan.ca [ofdan.ca]
[14:14:34] <x> *** new comment: 03Noldir [1216] (Score:1) 02Re:Long Live the Internet, but Fuck the Web! - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 279 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:14:34] <x> 08└─What on earth are you trying to do? It sounds like you know one language and are trying to shoehorn that into every use case you have. And as you say so yourself there are better options available for web applications,so it sounds like a complete maintenance nightmare to boot...
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[15:10:09] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Christmas holiday season can be stressful - 06Men More Likely to Go Missing on Night Out in the UK in December Than Any Other Time of Year - 332 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:10:10] <x> 08└─Lots of holiday parties and dinners with relatives. Some who recently broke off a relationship or lost a job, and saw his friends happily hooked up and/or getting ahead in their careers, might make the mistake of using alcohol to erase the pain. Then a couple of those might end up the way of members...
[15:10:11] <x> *** new comment: 03Gravis [4596] (Score:2) 02what is the real danger? - 06Men More Likely to Go Missing on Night Out in the UK in December Than Any Other Time of Year - 123 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:10:11] <x> 08└─the missing person stories that formed the basis of the study were a powerful reminder of the dangers of excessive drinking
[15:10:12] <x> *** new comment: 03Dunbal [3515] (Score:2) 02Mafia - 06Men More Likely to Go Missing on Night Out in the UK in December Than Any Other Time of Year - 87 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:10:13] <x> 08└─Hey mobsters have a fiscal year end too. Maybe December is when they close the books :)
[15:10:23] <x> *** new comment: 03Francis [5544] (Score:1) 02Re:Upside - 06In Sweden, a Cash-Free Future Nears - 959 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:10:24] <x> 08└─Credit cards do allow that, but it's hardly a substitute for paying attention when you're spending money. If you're not aware enough of what you're doing with your money, then you're probably spending money that you don't want to on things you don't really want or you've got a crazy complicated syst...
[15:10:27] <x> *** new comment: 03Unixnut [5779] (Score:1) 02Re:Can confirm - 06In Sweden, a Cash-Free Future Nears - 526 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:10:27] <x> 08└─Except with contactless, you don't need the persons pin. Hell, once they work out how to clone the card via RFID, they won't have to mug you at all, just be within a certain distance of you. Could be standing next to you in a queue, or on the metro/bus. Yes, contactless is only 20 euros per transact...
[15:10:28] <x> *** new comment: 03darkfeline [1030] (Score:2) 02Re:Can confirm - 06In Sweden, a Cash-Free Future Nears - 47 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:10:29] <x> 08└─http://lmgtfy.com/?q=chip+pin+hack [lmgtfy.com]
[15:11:26] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:System D - 06Scientists Find 1500-Year-Old Viking Settlement Beneath New Airport Site - 196 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:11:27] <x> 08└─All threads should be system D bashing threads. Why? Because its insidious, creeping nature affects all manner of human endeavor, and its fascist driven ideology threatens all people of good will.
[15:11:28] <x> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score:2) 02Re:System D - 06Scientists Find 1500-Year-Old Viking Settlement Beneath New Airport Site - 17 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:11:28] <x> 08└─Use your journal.
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[16:10:21] <x> *** new comment: 03randmcnatt [671] (Score:2) 02Enevitable - 06Men More Likely to Go Missing on Night Out in the UK in December Than Any Other Time of Year - 93 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:10:21] <x> 08└─This will undoubtedly lead to Designated Walkers. I wonder if they will get free soft drinks.
[16:10:37] <x> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Unixnut [5779] 02A bad development - 06In Sweden, a Cash-Free Future Nears - 4027 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:10:38] <x> 08└─This is a bad development, for too many reasons to type here, but I will list some. Sorry for the length, it would have been even longer if I went into full detail :-) 1. As mentioned, the loss of anonymity is quite something. It doesn't have to be due to tax avoidance reasons, some people may not w...
[16:10:39] <x> *** new comment: 03PizzaRollPlinkett [4512] (Score:3, Insightful) 02I like the anonymity of cash - 06In Sweden, a Cash-Free Future Nears - 392 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:10:39] <x> 08└─The people who steal your cash also like the anonymity of cash. Carrying wads of cash always makes me nervous. At least with a CC, you can challenge fraud and have some recourse. I've never understood why people want to hoard gold for a crisis. People would just steal it at gunpoint if you walked ar...
[16:10:40] <x> *** new comment: 03Nerdfest [80] (Score:2) 02Anonymity - 06In Sweden, a Cash-Free Future Nears - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:10:41] <x> 08└─Is it possible to pay with BitCoin, or perhaps buy a debit card with BitCoin? There are still usually ways to provide anonymity.
[16:11:24] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:gotcha - 06A Silicon Valley for Drones, in North Dakota - 72 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:11:24] <x> 08└─Ha ha, you left out the long, brutal Dakota winters and blackfly season!
[16:11:38] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:System D - 06Scientists Find 1500-Year-Old Viking Settlement Beneath New Airport Site - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:11:38] <x> 08└─It's insidious, creeping nature even infects Soylent comment threads! We're doomed! Dooomed!
[16:11:40] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:System D - 06Scientists Find 1500-Year-Old Viking Settlement Beneath New Airport Site - 11 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:11:40] <x> 08└─journalctl?
[16:12:03] <x> 08*** score 5 comment: 03BsAtHome [889] 02Paper is very patient - 06Paris Climate Goals Mean Emissions Need to Drop Below Zero - 1296 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:12:04] <x> 08└─The paper, on which all of it is written, is a very patient medium. It is also a medium that is easily ignored when you don't like it very much. If that seems a bit pessimistic, well, it is. The whole agreement is still pushing the really hard choices into the future, and, the problem is not one of...
[16:13:42] <x> *** new comment: 03mcgrew [701] (Score:2) 02Re:Oh they know it - 06What's a Digital Copy Worth? Not Much, Says Peter Sunde's New Machine - 719 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:13:42] <x> 08└─Insightful comment. However, as I point out in the forward to my book "Yesterday's Tomorrows", art and literature does indeed build on what's come before. Imagine how technology would suffer if patents lasted for 95 years--that's how art and literature are suffering under present copyright laws. For...
[16:13:46] <x> *** new comment: 03mcgrew [701] (Score:2) 02Re: /dev/null - 06What's a Digital Copy Worth? Not Much, Says Peter Sunde's New Machine - 64 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:13:47] <x> 08└─I'm off topic, sorry, but I can't help myself. [angryflower.com]
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[17:10:07] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Mueller here?? - 06Apple Wants Samsung to Cough Up $180M More in Patent Dispute - 72 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:10:07] <x> 08└─Can we please not shill for this dick here? Thank you kindly in advance.
[17:10:20] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Needs more - 06Men More Likely to Go Missing on Night Out in the UK in December Than Any Other Time of Year - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:10:20] <x> 08└─It's absolutely critical that we fund further studies on this important topic.
[17:10:38] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I like the anonymity of cash - 06In Sweden, a Cash-Free Future Nears - 386 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:10:38] <x> 08└─You can take some simple steps to protect your wad of cash. (1) Carry a decoy wallet with just a couple of bills, your credit cards, etc in it. (2) In the home don't keep your horde in the bedroom no matter how well concealed - everybody keeps their valuables in the bedroom so that's where the thiev...
[17:11:02] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:It is cute that it it is now inside - 06Hyatt was Hacked - 206 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:11:02] <x> 08└─Disposing all the paperwork securely is a ball-ache too. Why don't we work on making javascript more secure - no reason for it to be reading files, screen image, keystrokes and sending that back to someone.
[17:11:54] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:You thought politicians 'thought'? - 06Paris Climate Goals Mean Emissions Need to Drop Below Zero - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:11:54] <x> 08└─mr. senator in action https://youtu.be [youtu.be]
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[18:10:08] <x> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Why? - 06Perl 6 Officially Released - 169 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:10:08] <x> 08└─Perl clearly jumped the shark with 5.22 and removing CGI as a core module after about 17 years. Why would I want to carry on using perl when they do something like that?
[18:10:38] <x> *** new comment: 03n1 [993] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Tax - 06In Sweden, a Cash-Free Future Nears - 1854 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:10:39] <x> 08└─Speaking as someone not resident in the US... Tax rebates on income tax from a salaried/regular job is one part of it. The rest of the rebates, offsets and minimizing your tax liabilities depends on how good/aggressive/well connected/experienced your chosen accounting firm is. There is no magic perc...
[18:10:39] <x> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:1) 02Re:Tax - 06In Sweden, a Cash-Free Future Nears - 29 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:10:40] <x> 08└─If you're paying too much tax
[18:10:46] <x> *** new comment: 03n1 [993] (Score:2) 02Re:Can confirm - 06In Sweden, a Cash-Free Future Nears - 259 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:10:46] <x> 08└─Contactless transactions can now be up to £30($45) in the UK. [bbc.co.uk] You have no option now, as far as I know, to get a debit card without contactless in the UK. The last credit card i got automatically enabled it after the first chip-n-pin transaction.
[18:10:48] <x> *** new comment: 03Anal Pumpernickel [776] (Score:2) 02Re:Can confirm - 06In Sweden, a Cash-Free Future Nears - 75 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:10:49] <x> 08└─Just carry around as much as you need at that time, and don't live in fear.
[18:10:54] <x> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Re:I like the anonymity of cash - 06In Sweden, a Cash-Free Future Nears - 1106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:10:55] <x> 08└─Carry a decoy wallet with just a couple of bills, your credit cards, etc in it. Ahh yes, like the scam going on in car parks over the last few months Two very good-looking 20-21 year-old girls of eastern European origin come over to your car as you are packing your shopping into the boot. They both...
[18:10:56] <x> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Re:I like the anonymity of cash - 06In Sweden, a Cash-Free Future Nears - 622 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:10:57] <x> 08└─People who hoard gold seem to think they'll be able to defend themselves as they have a few guns. The bad guys who are organised, have more guns, catching you by surprise, and have fewer moral qualms over shooting people, and only have to win once, will always be vanquished. Those that simply defend...
[18:10:59] <x> *** new comment: 03Unixnut [5779] (Score:1) 02Re:Anonymity - 06In Sweden, a Cash-Free Future Nears - 596 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:11:00] <x> 08└─Bitcoin isn't anonymous. In fact all transactions are public. What is anonymous is the wallet address, which, if you ever go buy something in person, or have it delivered to your address, or use your home IP address, or otherwise expose your identity with, then the public ledger to that address is a...
[18:11:34] <x> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score:2) 02Re:streaming pile - 06Beatles Music Joins Streaming Services - 201 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:11:34] <x> 08└─Beatles: The Most Overplayed Band in the History of the Universe I don't think they sucked, it's just that they've been played to death. If I never hear another Beatles song again, it will be too soon.
[18:11:35] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:streaming pile - 06Beatles Music Joins Streaming Services - 310 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:11:35] <x> 08└─The Beatles sold all rights to their repertoire long ago. Michael Jacksons estate and Sony Corp own them. As far as EFs comment that their music is crap... Music would not be what it is today if not for the Beatles, so give some appreciation to them for culturing the music you've heard for the last...
[18:11:38] <x> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score:2) 02Re:Damn, I feel old now... - 06Beatles Music Joins Streaming Services - 69 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:11:39] <x> 08└─Disco Duck. https://www.youtube.com [youtube.com]
[18:11:40] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Damn, I feel old now... - 06Beatles Music Joins Streaming Services - 125 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:11:41] <x> 08└─I was about 5 years old when I first heard them on the radio sometime around 1964. I remember saying I wanted to be a Beatle.
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[19:10:13] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Why? - 06Perl 6 Officially Released - 97 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:10:13] <x> 08└─You can re-enable the CGI functionality by passing special bits to the core mainframe procedures.
[19:10:14] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Why? - 06Perl 6 Officially Released - 16 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:10:14] <x> 08└─Get off my lawn!
[19:10:15] <x> *** new comment: 03Nerdfest [80] (Score:2) 02Okay - 06Perl 6 Officially Released - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:10:16] <x> 08└─Has clean, modern syntax, rooted in familiar constructs but revisiting and revising the things that needed it
[19:10:17] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02That's great news! - 06Perl 6 Officially Released - 108 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:10:18] <x> 08└─What does that mean to me as someone who uses perl for data massaging? How much of the language has changed?
[19:10:27] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02In other words - 06Apple Wants Samsung to Cough Up $180M More in Patent Dispute - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:10:27] <x> 08└─Apple wants another discount on processor manufacturing and AMOLED displays for their next iPhone.
[19:10:38] <x> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Mafia - 06Men More Likely to Go Missing on Night Out in the UK in December Than Any Other Time of Year - 204 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:10:39] <x> 08└─The study found 97 deaths, 86 of which ended up in bodies of water. Unless water is a popular Mafia body dumping place, I suspect these deaths are more likely simple cases of dihydrgen monoxide poisoning.
[19:10:52] <x> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Re:Tax - 06In Sweden, a Cash-Free Future Nears - 638 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:10:52] <x> 08└─Obviously, the submitter falls in that category and believes that his waitstaff will end up paying too much in taxes, if he doesn't tip in cash. In society we agree that everyone should pay their fair share. We also agree what that fair share is. Feel free to organise enough people to reduce the tax...
[19:11:06] <x> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:I like the anonymity of cash - 06In Sweden, a Cash-Free Future Nears - 538 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:11:06] <x> 08└─Don't put your money in Mason jars, and bury them out beside the barn, either. Father in law did that very thing, and we'll never know if we found all of his jars. Some of his jars didn't seal very well, either, and the currency was useless. Steel pennies were also useless, when the jars didn't seal...
[19:11:08] <x> *** new comment: 03Anal Pumpernickel [776] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:I like the anonymity of cash - 06In Sweden, a Cash-Free Future Nears - 116 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:11:09] <x> 08└─The possibility of having your money stolen is far less worrying than a society where everything you buy is tracked.
[19:13:01] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Evenly Illuminated Earth - 06Paris Climate Goals Mean Emissions Need to Drop Below Zero - 347 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:13:01] <x> 08└─Thanks. Where is the calculation though? That is just some guy ranting, I doubt hes looked at it since there is no math on that page. They most definately do create 3d climate models and then plug averages into an equation for a flat earth to estimate climate sensitivity. See here: https://www.scien...
[19:15:39] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Long Live the Internet, but Fuck the Web! - 06The Long Slow Death of CGI.pm - 134 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:15:39] <x> 08└─What on earth are you trying to do? It sounds like you know one language and are trying to shoehorn that into every use case you have.
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[20:10:13] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02javascript wall - 06Toshiba in Trouble - 210 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:10:13] <x> 08└─The "big accounting scandal" link to japantimes.co.jp is behind a javascript wall. Here is a non-javascript link regarding the same event: http://fortune.com [fortune.com]
[20:10:14] <x> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:javascript wall - 06Toshiba in Trouble - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:10:14] <x> 08└─No way is Fortune non-javascript. I'm looking at a blank page except header and footer at that link.
[20:10:15] <x> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:javascript wall - 06Toshiba in Trouble - 182 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:10:16] <x> 08└─Serious question - if you scroll way down the page, do you not find the plain text story? You won't get images or anything else, just the plain text story. That's what I got, anyway.
[20:10:17] <x> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:javascript wall - 06Toshiba in Trouble - 378 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:10:18] <x> 08└─Thank you, AC - you're right, the japantimes simply refused to load at all unless I enabled javascript. It should be noted, however, that the fortune article also uses javascript. I got the page on first loading, but it was mostly ugly. Plain text, and placeholders for stuff. Enabling javascript giv...
[20:10:28] <x> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Why? - 06Perl 6 Officially Released - 134 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:10:28] <x> 08└─Because Monthly Releases!! Revisiting and revising the things that needed it Just what you want for a something in production, right?
[20:10:29] <x> *** new comment: 03number6 [1831] (Score:2) 02Re:Why? - 06Perl 6 Officially Released - 3709 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:10:29] <x> 08└─___________________________________________________________________________ //https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod_perl mod_perl mod_perl is an optional module for the Apache HTTP server. It embeds a Perl interpreter into the Apache server. In addition to allowing Apache modules to be written in the...
[20:10:32] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Place your bets. - 06Perl 6 Officially Released - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:10:33] <x> 08└─Which will happen first, full perl language runtime in emacs, or full emacs.pm module for perl?
[20:10:42] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Mueller here?? - 06Apple Wants Samsung to Cough Up $180M More in Patent Dispute - 53 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:10:43] <x> 08└─Certainly hoped it would be a Mueller free zone here.
[20:10:44] <x> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Mueller here?? - 06Apple Wants Samsung to Cough Up $180M More in Patent Dispute - 193 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:10:45] <x> 08└─The story is posted from a bot, and is word for word copy of a Cnet article. Just how much editing are our editors supposed to do to filter any references to your pet interdict-list of sources?
[20:10:59] <x> *** new comment: 03Dunbal [3515] (Score:2) 02Re:Mafia - 06Men More Likely to Go Missing on Night Out in the UK in December Than Any Other Time of Year - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:10:59] <x> 08└─Unless water is a popular Mafia body dumping place
[20:11:02] <x> *** new comment: 03HiThere [866] (Score:2) 02Not statistically significant. - 06Men More Likely to Go Missing on Night Out in the UK in December Than Any Other Time of Year - 404 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:11:02] <x> 08└─97 cases? I doubt that result is statistically reliable. Enough so that I didn't bother to read the article. (The summary didn't even indicat how much more likely, and one would EXPECT some month to be the one "Men are more likely to go missing -- with a fatal outcome". That said, it's a reasonable...
[20:11:03] <x> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Not statistically significant. - 06Men More Likely to Go Missing on Night Out in the UK in December Than Any Other Time of Year - 86 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:11:04] <x> 08└─Its just a study of the UK. of 97 cases recorded between January 2010 and August 2015
[20:11:16] <x> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:1) 02Re:Tax - 06In Sweden, a Cash-Free Future Nears - 38 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:11:17] <x> 08└─We also agree what that fair share is.
[20:11:26] <x> *** new comment: 03Moru [1248] (Score:1) 02Re:Swish and the NYTimes article. - 06In Sweden, a Cash-Free Future Nears - 272 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:11:27] <x> 08└─Yes cash works but the banks hardly handles cash any more. If you have a small sports club doing competitions and other revenue it's almost impossible to get rid of the cash again. Banks don't accept money unless you pay for an expencive business account for cash-deposit.
[20:11:32] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I like the anonymity of cash - 06In Sweden, a Cash-Free Future Nears - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:11:32] <x> 08└─That does sound horrible!
[20:12:27] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:gotcha - 06A Silicon Valley for Drones, in North Dakota - 43 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:12:27] <x> 08└─And the excessive intellectual stimulation!
[20:13:03] <x> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:1) 02Re:Science is not settled - 06Paris Climate Goals Mean Emissions Need to Drop Below Zero - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:13:04] <x> 08└─and know they can't make anything worse
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[21:10:27] <x> 08└─Nope. Using uMatrix on Chrome. I have to whitelist wp.com (wordpress) before it will load the text.
[21:10:29] <x> *** new comment: 03Subsentient [1111] (Score:2) 02Welp - 06Toshiba in Trouble - 314 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:10:30] <x> 08└─They used to make glorious laptops that would last forever, my 1995 Toshiba Satellite Pro 405cs running a 2014 Linux distro is testament to that. But, for years, they've made garbage. They dropped in quality really badly, really fast. So, this news is not surprising. I also hear bad things about the...
[21:10:31] <x> *** new comment: 03number6 [1831] (Score:2) 02Plain text version of story article - 06Toshiba in Trouble - 2291 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:10:31] <x> 08└─__________________________________________________________________________________________________ //http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/12/25/business/corporate-business/toshiba-fined-record-%C2%A57-3-billion-over-accounting-scandal/ Toshiba fined record ¥7.3 billion over accounting scandal (Dec...
[21:10:45] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Funny) 02Re:Okay - 06Perl 6 Officially Released - 221 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:10:45] <x> 08└─They really cleaned up the source code, too. #!/bin/sh # perl 6 by larry wall, now with clean, modern syntax (python -i) 1>&1 2>&1 | sed -e 's/ython$ [[:digit:].]\+$\?/erl 6/g' -e 's/Guido$ van Rossum$\?/Larry Wall/'
[21:10:48] <x> *** new comment: 03PizzaRollPlinkett [4512] (Score:2) 02whatever - 06Perl 6 Officially Released - 1641 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:10:48] <x> 08└─I'm the biggest Perl supporter anywhere. I've used it since 1991 or whenever I discovered it. I could think in Perl, meaning when presented with a scripting issue, I could mentally visualize the Perl script that solved the issue and just write it. I still use Perl 5 a lot for scripts, particularly w...
[21:11:08] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I guess it make sense. - 06Men More Likely to Go Missing on Night Out in the UK in December Than Any Other Time of Year - 86 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:11:08] <x> 08└─It's the womens fault. They are suposed to take the men home and make sure thier safe.
[21:11:27] <x> 08*** score 5 comment: 03n1 [993] 02Re:Tax - 06In Sweden, a Cash-Free Future Nears - 1854 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:11:27] <x> 08└─Speaking as someone not resident in the US... Tax rebates on income tax from a salaried/regular job is one part of it. The rest of the rebates, offsets and minimizing your tax liabilities depends on how good/aggressive/well connected/experienced your chosen accounting firm is. There is no magic perc...
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[22:10:06] <x> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Retirement - 06Australia's "Stoner Sloth" Anti-Weed Campaign is an Instant and Classic Fail - 159 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:10:06] <x> 08└─When I retire, maybe I'll move to Oz and join a stoner sloth community. Sounds more fun than being abused in some nursing home when my faculties begin to fade.
[22:10:07] <x> *** new comment: 03MostCynical [2589] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Target market - 06Australia's "Stoner Sloth" Anti-Weed Campaign is an Instant and Classic Fail - 447 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:10:07] <x> 08└─apparently, this ad was shown on terrestrial television, which means the target demographic wouldn't even see it. I'm well outside, and I haven't seen any of the ads - if it weren't for news sites, I wouldn't know about it. Makes you wonder if the "health experts" thought to talk to the people who m...
[22:10:08] <x> *** new comment: 03CortoMaltese [5244] (Score:2) 02#StonerSloth - 06Australia's "Stoner Sloth" Anti-Weed Campaign is an Instant and Classic Fail - 358 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:10:09] <x> 08└─For anyone wondering https://www.youtube.com [youtube.com] for the videos, While they are somewhat funny I bet they are more fun while stoned, also the website seems to be a meta parody of itself with some jewels like [Stoned at dinner and the struggle is too real.] like really t...
[22:10:21] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02No problems with JapanTimes here - 06Toshiba in Trouble - 833 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:10:22] <x> 08└─By default, I block absolutely everything except visible text. I also do not accept cookies. I have never had the slightest problem with JapanTimes pages. Indeed, for me, the "your browser needs Javascript" nonsense was actually useful. It helped me find a good spot in the page's source code in orde...
[22:10:24] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Organizational chart - 06Toshiba in Trouble - 376 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:10:24] <x> 08└─With a Capitalist operation, the people who are least responsible for the malfeasance|poor performance are invariably the first to be shown the door. Logically, to increase the likelihood that there is not a repeat of the behavior, the cuts would start at the upper levels of the organizational chart...
[22:10:26] <x> *** new comment: 03cellocgw [4190] (Score:2) 02GBAGL - 06Toshiba in Trouble - 257 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:10:27] <x> 08└─Fuck Toshiba. They have the worst, most consumer-hostile, customer service I've ever dealt with. It's almost unbelievable what they'll do to avoid paying up on clear-cut warranty work. May their entire management rot in [a place with no pasta or pirates].
[22:10:46] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:whatever - 06Perl 6 Officially Released - 240 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:10:46] <x> 08└─That "length of a string" bit has always amused me, too. Certain languages that brag about their slavish devotion to object-orientedness somehow get weak in the knees and use len() as a built-in, wieso: >>> s = 'soylent news' >>> len(s) 12
[22:11:16] <x> *** new comment: 03Dr Spin [5239] (Score:2) 02Re:Not statistically significant. - 06Men More Likely to Go Missing on Night Out in the UK in December Than Any Other Time of Year - 338 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:11:16] <x> 08└─Damned right - the UK is so small that it is not significant, statistically, or any other way! I for one, have gone out drinking more than once in the UK and walked home without getting lost, sometimes after going to visit people who live the other side of the canal. This data cannot possibly be val...
[22:11:49] <x> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Unixnut [5779] 02Re:Anonymity - 06In Sweden, a Cash-Free Future Nears - 596 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:11:49] <x> 08└─Bitcoin isn't anonymous. In fact all transactions are public. What is anonymous is the wallet address, which, if you ever go buy something in person, or have it delivered to your address, or use your home IP address, or otherwise expose your identity with, then the public ledger to that address is a...
[22:13:16] <x> *** new comment: 03gman003 [4155] (Score:2) 02Re:Science is not settled - 06Paris Climate Goals Mean Emissions Need to Drop Below Zero - 300 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:13:16] <x> 08└─An 8C rise in temperature caused the Permian-Triassic mass extinction - the greatest in history. 70% of vertebrates went extinct. Half of all plant species. 95% of marine animals. We can easily survive the higher temperatures and stronger storms. We may not survive all of our food species dying out.
[22:15:00] <x> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score:2) 02Re:Oh they know it - 06What's a Digital Copy Worth? Not Much, Says Peter Sunde's New Machine - 711 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:15:00] <x> 08└─They did jump on it, but only the parts that didn't result in them being out of the loop. It takes time to invent new and more draconian DRM. While that was going on, they did switch to digital recording and mastering which is cheaper than pro level analog recording. They were pretty quick to push C...
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[23:10:06] <x> *** new comment: 03Gravis [4596] (Score:2) 02wait... it thought we were all agreed? - 06Beta3 of Slackware Live Edition is Available - 28 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:10:07] <x> 08└─fuck beta! [fuckbeta.com] ;)
[23:10:08] <x> *** new comment: 03Nuke [3162] (Score:2) 02Live Edition - 06Beta3 of Slackware Live Edition is Available - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:10:08] <x> 08└─Thanks for the painstaking explanation of what a live edition is, but I think we all knew that here.
[23:10:17] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Retirement - 06Australia's "Stoner Sloth" Anti-Weed Campaign is an Instant and Classic Fail - 14 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:17] <x> 08└─DUDE WEED LMAO
[23:10:20] <x> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:1) 02Re:#StonerSloth - 06Australia's "Stoner Sloth" Anti-Weed Campaign is an Instant and Classic Fail - 852 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:21] <x> 08└─Doing anything while stoned is A+, except when you're an edgy teenager and you have to maintain. My longtime but clingy girlfriend hated it when I got high. She said that i wasn't the same person, that I was an airhead. One day I decided to get high with my bro and I forgot to call her. She called a...
[23:10:22] <x> *** new comment: 03malloc_free [3034] (Score:1) 02Sorry guys, but weed is fun. - 06Australia's "Stoner Sloth" Anti-Weed Campaign is an Instant and Classic Fail - 773 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:10:23] <x> 08└─Also, think of the things you can do with the tax that you could add to the legal sale of weed. Also a bit of regulation would help prevent the wrong people getting their hands on it (minors, the mentally ill). Seriously. I hate the poorly informed, infantile and totally emotional crap that people w...
[23:10:24] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Sorry guys, but weed is fun. - 06Australia's "Stoner Sloth" Anti-Weed Campaign is an Instant and Classic Fail - 14 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:25] <x> 08└─DUDE WEED LMAO
[23:10:26] <x> *** new comment: 03Gravis [4596] (Score:2) 02Re:Sorry guys, but weed is fun. - 06Australia's "Stoner Sloth" Anti-Weed Campaign is an Instant and Classic Fail - 153 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:27] <x> 08└─Also a bit of regulation would help prevent the wrong people getting their hands on it (minors, the mentally ill). Seriously. I hate the poorly informed,
[23:10:38] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:javascript wall - 06Toshiba in Trouble - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:39] <x> 08└─Strange. uBO and NS on FF, and I see the text just fine, just below the fold.
[23:10:41] <x> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:No problems with JapanTimes here - 06Toshiba in Trouble - 680 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:42] <x> 08└─It seems that I have, at some time or another, given partial permissions to Fortune, and then made them permanent. That is why I was able to scroll down to the text on Fortune's page. I have never visited Japantimes before, and there were zero permissions enabled. I run NoScript, as well as RequestP...
[23:10:45] <x> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:1) 02Re:Welp - 06Toshiba in Trouble - 682 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:10:45] <x> 08└─Used to fix laptops for a living and Toshibas very rarely came in. They were a bitch to take apart but designed well, and back in those days they were one of the first vendors to offer media players in a "dumb OS" mode in the BIOS without having to boot into the OS. This is a true story you probably...
[23:11:03] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:That's great news! - 06Perl 6 Officially Released - 41 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:11:03] <x> 08└─Data massaging, I like the sound of that.
[23:11:07] <x> *** new comment: 03kazzie [5309] (Score:1) 02Pigs will fly - 06Perl 6 Officially Released - 75 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:11:07] <x> 08└─What? Perl 6 is actually out? Next they'll be releasing Duke Nukem Forever!
[23:11:08] <x> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02The bad news is.. - 06Perl 6 Officially Released - 122 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:11:09] <x> 08└─The target platform for the initial release is GNU Hurd running on 32-bit PowerPC. More ports will be available shortly...
[23:11:54] <x> *** new comment: 03Nuke [3162] (Score:2) 02Re:Upside - 06In Sweden, a Cash-Free Future Nears - 250 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:11:54] <x> 08└─There really is an upside. ... I sometimes ran out of money, and couldn't account for where I spent it all. With everything available online, anyone ...can click on their account, and be reminded that they spent a dollar here, and a buck fifty there.
[23:11:59] <x> *** new comment: 03Nuke [3162] (Score:2) 02Re:Can confirm - 06In Sweden, a Cash-Free Future Nears - 125 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:12:00] <x> 08└─Yes, contactless is only 20 euros per transaction, but the mugger just needs to make multiple transactions less than 20 euro,
[23:12:13] <x> *** new comment: 03Nuke [3162] (Score:2) 02Re:I like the anonymity of cash - 06In Sweden, a Cash-Free Future Nears - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:12:13] <x> 08└─Carrying wads of cash always makes me nervous.
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