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[00:44:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Prehistoric "Burning Man" - 06Stonehenge May Have Been First Erected in Wales - 645 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:44:34] <exec> 08└─Darvill thinks that building Stonehenge was tantamount to using it. "We've got to think of these monuments as very dynamic structures," he says. "They're constantly remodeling, changing them. That's the important bit," he says, adding, "In a sense, Stonehenge is never quite finished." The festivals...
[00:44:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Y'think? - 06UK Report Recommends Cutting Antibiotic Use in Agriculture - 145 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:44:42] <exec> 08└─But this is a "tragedy of the commons" situation - what's best for society isn't necessarily what's in the best interest of an individual farmer.
[00:44:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Same thing happening in the US. - 06UK Report Recommends Cutting Antibiotic Use in Agriculture - 835 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:44:43] <exec> 08└─The US is already on the road to imposing the same ban [psmag.com]. By this time next year farmers are going to have to get a veterinarian prescription for antibiotics, and the vet is going to have to certify there is a disease issue rather than a "Production" issue. It took years, but the major pro...
[00:45:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Re:Would you like your changelog Identified? - 06Nethack 3.6 Released After Only 12 Years - 350 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:45:06] <exec> 08└─Better than me, I never got past about 40-something. Nexus and gravity hounds usually, IIRC. I had 20 years absence from the genre, previously Moria on SunOS only, and wanted to dive (nope, not a pun) back in, and Angband hooked me. Too retarded to actually do well in it though. So I hit Quickband i...
[00:45:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Re:The world's smallest violin for them - 06Anti-Piracy Law Firm Johan Schlüter Bilked Entertainment Industry Out of $25m - 192 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:45:26] <exec> 08└─But the old adage of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" causes confusion. Which do we hate more - lawyers, or the mafiaa? Ideally, they need to destroy each other in a black hole of suckage.
[00:45:35] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03J.J. Dane [402] 02No surprises there - 06Anti-Piracy Law Firm Johan Schlüter Bilked Entertainment Industry Out of $25m - 567 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[00:45:35] <exec> 08└─This is, of course, the same Johan Schlüter who, while working for the Anti-Piracy group, in 2007 uttered the following: "Child pornography is great," the speaker at the podium declared enthusiastically. "It is great because politicians understand child pornography. By playing that card, we can get...
[00:45:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Pork - 06B-52s - the Plane that Refuses to Die - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:45:49] <exec> 08└─It's either way ADHD dude... http://grammarist.com [grammarist.com]
[00:46:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03HiThere [866] (Score:2) 02Re:I don't have a television either - 06DailyMotion Hit by Malvertising Attack Using the Angler Exploit Kit - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:46:58] <exec> 08└─To be fair, there wasn't that much humor there to be found.
[00:46:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03xav [5579] (Score:2) 02Re:I don't have a television either - 06DailyMotion Hit by Malvertising Attack Using the Angler Exploit Kit - 72 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:46:59] <exec> 08└─At last ! We have finally found the last user of the Mosaic web browser.
[00:48:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Re:Isolating languages - 06Neurological Evidence Found for Chomsky's Theory of Internal Grammar - 442 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:48:26] <exec> 08└─Dude, thanks for the support! 2 languages? 2 freaking languages? It's claiming to say something about *all* human (at least all humans which have a human brain, which is probably all of them) language processing. Which makes this study a *joke*. I'm happy to keep my "linguist who thinks Chomsky cont...
[00:50:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03NotSanguine [285] (Score:2) 02Re:Limitations On Speech... - 06Google Chairman Eric Schmidt Asks for "Spell-Checker" for Hate and Harassment - 625 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:50:04] <exec> 08└─How is this modded troll? I said: I'm not telling anyone what they should or shouldn't do with their property, nor am I advocating for public intervention into private spaces. [...] From a (U.S.) legal standpoint, the U.S. Supreme Court [wikipedia.org] has, under certain circumstances, held that pri...
[00:50:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Good. - 06Airbnb Raises $1.5 Billion, Valued at Over $25 Billion - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[00:50:36] <exec> 08└─I feel like it's more of a vagina. But yeah, either way.
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[01:44:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Walzmyn [987] (Score:2) 02nothing new - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:44:36] <exec> 08└─Government types know more than unwashed masses and want to control daily lives. Film at 11.
[01:44:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Tork [3914] (Score:2) 02The T is silent - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:44:37] <exec> 08└─Do ya suppose Trump has gotten tired of all his 'winning' yet?
[01:44:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nerdfest [80] (Score:2) 02Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 241 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:44:39] <exec> 08└─If you elect any of these people, you can kiss your freedom goodbye. Sadly, one of these two tards is probably going to win even though you seem to have the opportunity of a lifetime in Bernie Sanders (until some corporation has him killed).
[01:44:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03richtopia [3160] (Score:2) 02I guess I'm a fool. - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 36 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:44:41] <exec> 08└─Freedom of speech, Freedom of speech
[01:44:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Erect - 06Stonehenge May Have Been First Erected in Wales - 9 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:44:48] <exec> 08└─*snigger*
[01:44:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03richtopia [3160] (Score:2) 02Re:Erect - 06Stonehenge May Have Been First Erected in Wales - 75 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:44:50] <exec> 08└─All I think of is Stonehenge! https://youtu.be [youtu.be]
[01:44:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Ahem - 06Stonehenge May Have Been First Erected in Wales - 34 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:44:52] <exec> 08└─That's "Wiltshire" not "Wilshire".
[01:44:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03snufu [5855] (Score:3, Interesting) 02The druuuihds. - 06Stonehenge May Have Been First Erected in Wales - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:44:54] <exec> 08└─No one knows hoo they wehr, or... what they were dune.... But their legend remains...heeewn into the living rock
[01:45:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Marand [1081] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Would you like your changelog Identified? - 06Nethack 3.6 Released After Only 12 Years - 1995 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:45:22] <exec> 08└─My angband of choice is still zangband [zangband.org], despite not being updated in a very long time. It's still in the Debian repos, and I always install it. Partly it's because I liked the Amber books it's based on, but mostly it's just because, of all the variants I've tried, it's still the one t...
[01:46:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Soviet/Russian Bear - 06B-52s - the Plane that Refuses to Die - 171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:46:24] <exec> 08└─Apparently, in the 1980s, the Soviets' mismanaged State Capitalist economy couldn't afford a gigaton of bombs to carpet bomb Afghanistan the way that USA did at Tora Bora.
[01:46:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Frost [3313] (Score:1) 02Disappointed - 06B-52s - the Plane that Refuses to Die - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:46:50] <exec> 08└─Shouldn't this story be "from the rock lobster forever dept."?
[01:48:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:unsafe? - 06Unsafe Levels of Uranium Found in Water Used for Farming, Drinking - 1015 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:48:35] <exec> 08└─Uranium is indeed regulated as a radionuclide [epa.gov]. The limit, however, was chosen because of its chemical properties: [...] The limits for many chemicals and contaminants are health-based limits calculated by assuming that a person drinks two liters of water a day for 70 years. The safe limits...
[01:48:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Username [4557] (Score:2) 02Heavy Metal - 06Unsafe Levels of Uranium Found in Water Used for Farming, Drinking - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[01:48:36] <exec> 08└─I knew it would make a comeback some day! Anyway, why can’t they just dump some binding agent like prussian blue in the wells?
[01:49:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Secure email - 06£5 Billion in UK National Health Service IT Projects at High Risk of Failure - 215 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[01:49:38] <exec> 08└─Based on MicroSoft, as is the rest of the Failed System. No security, no performance - just $$$ down the consulting drain, developers are all sitting in India at 2 Rupees a day... just your typical big IT "project".
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[02:44:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 140 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:44:39] <exec> 08└─In this case they are reflecting voter opinions; can't blame it on legalized corporate bribery. The problem is voters are f8cking dumbasses.
[02:44:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03edIII [791] (Score:2) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 609 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:44:40] <exec> 08└─Nice victim blaming. Remember, voters only have a choice between shit, shit, more shit, and then maybe some shit with peanuts. Kind of hard to blame them then for all the shit. Just my 2 cents, and yes, I've never voted. Not stupid enough to waste my time voting between two liars that care for nothi...
[02:44:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 803 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:44:42] <exec> 08└─Trump will never be elected. What all the coverage of his popularity misses is his unpopularity. There is a specific segment of the republican party which adore him, for them he walks on water. That's about 30-40% of the party. But everybody else loathes him. He has the highest 'unpopularity rating'...
[02:44:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 696 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:44:44] <exec> 08└─I don't know if you've got that quite right. Personally, I've always thought Trump was the complete horse's ass. I couldn't stand to be in the same room with him - I'd likely shoot the arrogant prick if he started running his mouth at me, the way he has done so many others. I really don't like anyth...
[02:44:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03redneckmother [3597] (Score:1) 02Re:I guess I'm a fool. - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 151 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:44:46] <exec> 08└─"Some people will say, 'Freedom of speech, Freedom of speech'," Trump added, before saying "These are foolish people. We have a lot of foolish people."
[02:44:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02"That Internet" - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 154 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:44:48] <exec> 08└─Calling it "that Internet" makes it sound like a loud machine running in your neighbor's yard or something. "Switch that dadgummit web-a-tube thingy off!"
[02:44:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:"That Internet" - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 80 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:44:50] <exec> 08└─That's what the interne is to him and most other politicians of the present day.
[02:44:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Non Sequor [1005] (Score:3, Funny) 02Cute - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:44:51] <exec> 08└─He thinks Bill Gates runs the Internet.
[02:44:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:Cute - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 477 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:44:53] <exec> 08└─Yeah, "really understands the internet". I wonder how many people really do understand the internet. That seems to be one underlying theme that a lot of hacker movies do get right. "The man", the authorities, as well as the inventors of the internet think they understand the internet, but the real d...
[02:45:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Note to the editor(s) - 06UK Report Recommends Cutting Antibiotic Use in Agriculture - 301 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[02:45:09] <exec> 08└─The URL that was added did not auto-linkify. As such, even for those folks who download the Rehash stylesheet, the damned thing won't auto-wrap. Additional point: Why aren't -all- URLs in -all- summaries made into actual links by the editors? Y'know, with link text that contains whitespaces. -- gewg...
[02:46:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Massive use of ordinance by USA - 06B-52s - the Plane that Refuses to Die - 281 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:46:36] <exec> 08└─Carpet bombing, also known as saturation bombing, is a large aerial bombing done in a progressive manner to inflict damage in every part of a selected area of land. The phrase evokes the image of explosions completely covering an area, in the same way that a carpet covers a floor.
[02:46:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Killing machines - how good do they have to be? - 06B-52s - the Plane that Refuses to Die - 1678 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:46:48] <exec> 08└─An assault rifle is very clearly defined in military doctrine. It is a select fire long arm chambered in an intermediate power cartridge. Single shot or burst fire for aiming at the enemy, full auto for suppressive fire. The original assault rifle was the WWII Sturmgewehr, which literally translated...
[02:46:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Defining an assault weapon - 06B-52s - the Plane that Refuses to Die - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:46:50] <exec> 08└─If you showed up for a deer hunt with it, would everyone else point at you and your 30-round magazine and laugh?
[02:47:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03acharax [4264] (Score:2) 02Re:An opportunity to block them - 06DailyMotion Hit by Malvertising Attack Using the Angler Exploit Kit - 454 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:47:35] <exec> 08└─This actually works against some crypto malware that checks for Sandboxie and VirtualBox services/executeables and refuses to run if they are present. It can however backfire because there's also boobytrapped malware that will launch a destructive payload specifically when it is ran in such a contex...
[02:47:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Are we using computers inappropriately? - 06"Hacker Buba" Leaks Customer Records of a United Arab Emirates Bank - 159 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:47:50] <exec> 08└─It's possible to tell how well or poor closed source software is written by vetting the ASM code generated by the compiler (assuming it's a compiled language).
[02:48:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02T.Rex hot wings - 06Unsafe Levels of Uranium Found in Water Used for Farming, Drinking - 289 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:48:22] <exec> 08└─First, T.Rex barely had arms--forget wings. It appears that you are talking about a dragon (a mythical creature). That said, if giant wings ever do appear on the menu, don't have the carhop hang your order of those on the side of your car. That may cause your vehicle to tip over. -- gewg_
[02:50:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Hairyfeet [75] (Score:2) 02Re:Clippy! - 06Google Chairman Eric Schmidt Asks for "Spell-Checker" for Hate and Harassment - 1677 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[02:50:13] <exec> 08└─Uhhh nice strawman you got there, don't mind this match...WHOOSH! Read my post again, did I say ANYTHING about me posting there? Anyone? Beuller? Nope afraid not I simply was watching the censor brigade as they happily erased dissenting opinions and again really not seeing that on the right leaning...
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[03:44:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Kirk vs Kirk - 06Captain James Kirk Takes US Navy's First Stealth Destroyer Out for Sea Trials - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:44:35] <exec> 08└─But which Kirk? The original Kirk or the new one? And who would win if they came face to face?
[03:44:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Middle name not ''Tiberius'' - 06Captain James Kirk Takes US Navy's First Stealth Destroyer Out for Sea Trials - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:44:37] <exec> 08└─Middle initial not even "T". What a disappointment. -- gewg_
[03:44:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Critics - 06Captain James Kirk Takes US Navy's First Stealth Destroyer Out for Sea Trials - 170 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:44:39] <exec> 08└─I am one of the critics. I foresee disaster, and I can only hope that the crew survives. The first real storm will send this steaming heap of crap to Davey Jone's locker.
[03:44:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02But when the Navy got the destroyer - 06Captain James Kirk Takes US Navy's First Stealth Destroyer Out for Sea Trials - 33 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:44:41] <exec> 08└─Did they get to name their price?
[03:44:48] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Nerdfest [80] 02Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 241 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:44:49] <exec> 08└─If you elect any of these people, you can kiss your freedom goodbye. Sadly, one of these two tards is probably going to win even though you seem to have the opportunity of a lifetime in Bernie Sanders (until some corporation has him killed).
[03:44:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 105 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:44:52] <exec> 08└─Remember, voters only have a choice between shit, shit, more shit, and then maybe some shit with peanuts.
[03:44:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 174 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:44:54] <exec> 08└─I'm sorry. If you do not vote, you have no right to complain. You are part of the problem. Any vote... Libertarian, Green, write-in, is a victory against the current duopoly.
[03:44:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheGratefulNet [659] (Score:2) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 2276 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:44:56] <exec> 08└─I'm with you 100% on all you said. voting would be nice if it was truly a choice between people we wanted; or, failing that, at least offer us negative votes, so we can vote -against- those that suck the most. note to techie types: realize that those in power, from now onward, will constantly try to...
[03:44:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anal Pumpernickel [776] (Score:2) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 155 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:44:58] <exec> 08└─Remember, voters only have a choice between shit, shit, more shit, and then maybe some shit with peanuts. Kind of hard to blame them then for all the shit.
[03:44:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 154 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:45:00] <exec> 08└─No, I'm saying that there are worse things than assholes. You don't have to like the asshole to recognize that he's a cut above a pustule covered scrotum.
[03:45:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 108 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:45:02] <exec> 08└─Ah, I see. You are actually a fan and were insulted by the fact that about 2/3rds of the party are not fans.
[03:45:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:45:04] <exec> 08└─I have a box of rocks that you should meet. You seem to have some things in common.
[03:45:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 0258th season spoilers ahead - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 1217 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:45:05] <exec> 08└─This is how Bernie is going to lose. He won't get past the primaries. The population will never have an opportunity to vote for him on a ballot. Clinton has spent fifteen years gobbling up support of superdelegates, essentially individuals that, as a group, have more say in who will be running on th...
[03:45:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Cute - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 249 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:45:09] <exec> 08└─From a technical and topological standpoint the only people that really do understand the internet are the network engineering specialists at backbone providers. Not even full-stack pros with decades of experience can touch their level of knowledge.
[03:45:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03SrLnclt [1473] (Score:2) 02Recent Petition Reponse - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 385 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:45:11] <exec> 08└─From a recent white house petition response [whitehouse.gov] regarding encryption: "As the President has said, 'There's no scenario in which we don't want really strong encryption.' " It also goes on to talk about security and terrorism. Administration officials are supposedly talking with the petit...
[03:45:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02comic relief? - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 153 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:45:13] <exec> 08└─Is the idea behind this... that people are supposed to accept all the crap that is coming because they are relieved that "at least we did not get Trump"?
[03:45:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02I never would've thought it - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 436 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:45:15] <exec> 08└─But as of when Trump made the Muslims speech, there's now a realistic chance that the GOP could nominate someone who's not currently in the race: Mitt Romney Paul Ryan Susana Martinez Nikki Haley The reason I didn't think it could happen was because it would be like someone defaulting on a loan, it'...
[03:45:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Guns - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 274 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:45:17] <exec> 08└─They are also trying to limit the civil right to self-defense. These politicians never let a tragedy go to waste in their attempt to monopolize power. Our generation may be the one that givea up both internet freedom and the right to personal self-defense. Think about that.
[03:45:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Prehistoric "Burning Man" - 06Stonehenge May Have Been First Erected in Wales - 379 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:45:21] <exec> 08└─Okay he makes the creation of a monument be an awful drag (ha!) to a lot of fun. Go to the festival, gnaw on roasted boar, get drunk and drag a stone with your buddies to commemorate it. years later "Yep I was there when that third stone was put in. See that scratch near the top? That's where your u...
[03:45:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03crb3 [5919] (Score:1) 02Re:Prehistoric "Burning Man" - 06Stonehenge May Have Been First Erected in Wales - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:45:23] <exec> 08└─So it was perhaps the first rock festival?
[03:45:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03FunnyItWorkedLastTime [4713] (Score:3, Funny) 02Exterior decorator - 06Stonehenge May Have Been First Erected in Wales - 1118 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:45:27] <exec> 08└─Druid: A little to the left.. Hapless Worker: Urgh.. Druid: A little more.. Hapless Worker: *grunt* Druid: Forward a bit.. Hapless Worker: DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THESE STONES WEIGH?! Druid: Stop whining, bit more to the left. Hapless Worker: We've already dragged these rocks 140 miles, are you sure th...
[03:46:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03darkfeline [1030] (Score:2) 02Sigh - 06Nethack 3.6 Released After Only 12 Years - 226 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:46:11] <exec> 08└─Twelve years later and all we get are a few no-brainer patches pulled into the base build? Disappointing, to say the least. The most I can hope for is the "foundation established so that we can build on it going forward" part.
[03:46:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathElk [4834] (Score:1) 02Re:The world's smallest violin for them - 06Anti-Piracy Law Firm Johan Schlüter Bilked Entertainment Industry Out of $25m - 18 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:46:20] <exec> 08└─Smoke on the water
[03:46:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Pork - 06B-52s - the Plane that Refuses to Die - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:46:46] <exec> 08└─I am going to go thru the trouble of feeding you troll. Why do I care what you think about how I write?
[03:47:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:BUFs - 06B-52s - the Plane that Refuses to Die - 143 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:47:32] <exec> 08└─Before you start lobbing stones about others grammar, perhaps, you should look up run on sentence. The comma is not an excuse to run on and on.
[03:48:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The Burrrn CD burner not updated since 2006 - 06"Hacker Buba" Leaks Customer Records of a United Arab Emirates Bank - 125 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:48:21] <exec> 08└─Dude? What was that? My point was we have a serious challenge. Lets fix it! I think I may have forgot to put that in there ;)
[03:49:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Useless research - 06Unsafe Levels of Uranium Found in Water Used for Farming, Drinking - 455 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:49:15] <exec> 08└─Before ~1920 or so they were not even sure what it was. https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org] In fact people thought it was 'ok' and used it for everything from clocks to getting your shoe size correct. https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org...
[03:49:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03coolgopher [1157] (Score:2) 02Re:Famous Last Words - 06Neurological Evidence Found for Chomsky's Theory of Internal Grammar - 33 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[03:49:48] <exec> 08└─I propose a new mod, DNRTFA (-1).
[03:49:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03darkfeline [1030] (Score:2) 02Lisp - 06Neurological Evidence Found for Chomsky's Theory of Internal Grammar - 193 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:49:49] <exec> 08└─> we make sense of strings of words because our brains combine words into constituents in a hierarchical manner I knew it! Lisp is the universal language! (is 'Lisp (the (universal 'language)))
[03:50:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03darkfeline [1030] (Score:2) 02Successful IT - 06£5 Billion in UK National Health Service IT Projects at High Risk of Failure - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[03:50:30] <exec> 08└─Out of curiosity, are there any examples of IT projects or IT departments done right?
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[04:44:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Re:Critics - 06Captain James Kirk Takes US Navy's First Stealth Destroyer Out for Sea Trials - 57 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:44:40] <exec> 08└─Man, where would the MIC be without expertise like yours?
[04:44:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 36 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:44:56] <exec> 08└─You sound like a 1938 Jew in Berlin.
[04:44:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:44:59] <exec> 08└─Crying "victim blaming" is the present ages' go to excuse/strawman to never take responsibility for anything.
[04:44:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03hash14 [1102] (Score:2) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 1809 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:45:00] <exec> 08└─So you're saying that it's not the voters' fault... and then say it's okay not to vote. I have to say, that is OBJECTIVELY the STUPIDEST argument you can make. It's not like you live in Russia, where opposition candidates are assassinated, or in North Korea where you get killed if you don't vote for...
[04:45:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:58th season spoilers ahead - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:45:09] <exec> 08└─Obama didn't seem intimidated by her in 2008.
[04:45:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Cute - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:45:17] <exec> 08└─Not really. There's plenty of material out there if you wish to learn, and you don't need a specific job to do so.
[04:45:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Cute - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 199 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:45:19] <exec> 08└─That does not make the slightest bit of sense. Who do you think knows more about medical care: a degreed, licensed doctor with decades of practice or someone that just likes reading medical journals?
[04:45:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score:2) 02Re:I never would've thought it - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 1739 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:45:22] <exec> 08└─That will be hard. Remember, Preibus and most of the candidates all signed a contract with Trump swearing that all would support the eventual nominee who emerged from the primary process. They thought they were locking Trump into the room. The fools thought they were outsmarting the author of _The A...
[04:45:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02Re:I never would've thought it - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 111 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:45:24] <exec> 08└─Jim, you ate too many mushrooms. Trumps pop with women? Minorities? He leads because he has too many opponents.
[04:45:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I never would've thought it - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 184 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:45:26] <exec> 08└─The reason I didn't think it could happen was because it would be like someone defaulting on a loan, it's basically declaring that your primary campaign was a waste of everyone's time.
[04:45:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I never would've thought it - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 153 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:45:28] <exec> 08└─I seem to recall that the msm(cnn, msnbc, fox, etc) calling both bush and hillary the 'real' candidates. As in they know they will be the ones nominated.
[04:45:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02waaaaatah - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:45:30] <exec> 08└─Trump just lost the libertarian vote. He's already lost the black, Latino, and woman vote.
[04:45:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Stonehinge! - 06Stonehenge May Have Been First Erected in Wales - 151 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[04:45:40] <exec> 08└─I much preferred the original title of the submission. Now I only someone could build a scale model to match or amps, that go all the way up to eleven!
[04:48:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I don't have a television either - 06DailyMotion Hit by Malvertising Attack Using the Angler Exploit Kit - 24 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:48:06] <exec> 08└─The space character too.
[04:48:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Reziac [2489] (Score:2) 02Re:It's lawyer time. - 06Unsafe Levels of Uranium Found in Water Used for Farming, Drinking - 832 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:48:56] <exec> 08└─On that note: 1) Edwards AFB, primarily a research facility, was located in the Mojave Desert because even way back when, the ground there was considered too naturally-radioactive for long-term human occupancy. This factoid came up when some wit decided to sue 'em for contaminating the environment....
[04:48:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03gnuman [5013] (Score:2) 02Re:It's lawyer time. - 06Unsafe Levels of Uranium Found in Water Used for Farming, Drinking - 176 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:48:57] <exec> 08└─In other news, could this become a new way of harvesting uranium? Kind of like fracking: Pump nitrates into soil, dissolve the U into water, collect the water, extract Uranium?
[04:49:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03gnuman [5013] (Score:2) 02Re:Useless research - 06Unsafe Levels of Uranium Found in Water Used for Farming, Drinking - 68 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:49:33] <exec> 08└─this isotope of U is toxic all by itself without counting radiation.
[04:49:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03gnuman [5013] (Score:2) 02s/Uranium/Lead/ - 06Unsafe Levels of Uranium Found in Water Used for Farming, Drinking - 120 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[04:49:36] <exec> 08└─Is that uranium new or has it always been there? If it has always been there, what is the point of labeling it "unsafe"?
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[05:44:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03BK [4868] (Score:2) 02Re:But when the Navy got the destroyer - 06Captain James Kirk Takes US Navy's First Stealth Destroyer Out for Sea Trials - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:44:47] <exec> 08└─No, these days you just have to take what's offered.
[05:45:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Tork [3914] (Score:2) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 268 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:45:05] <exec> 08└─The problem isn't with how we vote, it's that we never fire anybody. There are no consequences for bad politicians, just the occasional resignation because they were busted sending dic picks. I really wish we'd try a handful of recall elections and see what that does.
[05:45:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 68 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:45:06] <exec> 08└─The problem isn't with how we vote, it's that we never fire anybody.
[05:45:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Mr Big in the Pants [4956] (Score:2) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 341 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:45:08] <exec> 08└─Part of the problem is apologist thinking that it is "good enough" to just vote for the lesser evil...as the amount of total evil moves up each election...and was unacceptable in the first place. Your system is broken. To fix it many heads need to come out of asses and others need to be attached to...
[05:45:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 310 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:45:17] <exec> 08└─How are we to know whether we are meeting the alleged "box of Rocks" or just Runaway2015, in all his Trump supporting glory? I mean, you seem to have the exact same positions on the issues as Trump, but you object that he is an "asshole". Don't let that stop you, you and Trump are on the same page t...
[05:45:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 147 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:45:19] <exec> 08└─Dude thinks that if he doesn't outright profess his loyalty to trump then no one can figure him out. That's how extremists keep it on the down low.
[05:45:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:I guess I'm a fool. - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 415 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:45:23] <exec> 08└─Actually, this is all a left-wing attempt to censor Hairyfeet! He's just telling the truth! Take the Hairyfeet Challenge of not shutting up on that internet. And (OMG!) just hit me, does this mean that Hairfeet has been radicalized? What does Trump know, now that he is a Presidential Candidate and...
[05:45:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:"That Internet" - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:45:26] <exec> 08└─Trump: "Bill Jobs and Fuckerburg, please unplug all them Webs! They pipe in step-by-step Muslim destructions."
[05:45:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I never would've thought it - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 416 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:45:37] <exec> 08└─The ability to gain momentum has been wasted. Trump is sucking the oxygen out of the other Republicans' campaigns: they can't articulate a position or stake out a claim on the field because the media is too busy covering the latest stupid thing that Trump said. If Trump turns out to be a democratic...
[05:45:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I never would've thought it - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:45:39] <exec> 08└─That's what I would have assumed, a year ago.
[05:45:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:2) 02UK Government and Parliament Petitions - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:45:43] <exec> 08└─Block Donald Trump from UK entry [parliament.uk] Please pass this on to your tea-drinking friends.
[05:47:14] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03edIII [791] 02Re:Pork - 06B-52s - the Plane that Refuses to Die - 131 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:47:14] <exec> 08└─But we will get yet another jet that does nothing very well (f-35). But makes lots of money for a bunch of people who dont need it.
[05:48:17] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03FatPhil [863] 02Practice safe hex - block flash - 06DailyMotion Hit by Malvertising Attack Using the Angler Exploit Kit - 132 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[05:48:17] <exec> 08└─This is the exploit: Flash CVE-2015-7645. Remember, kids, if you run arbitrary code from untrusted sources, you're as good as pwned.
[05:51:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:Clippy! - 06Google Chairman Eric Schmidt Asks for "Spell-Checker" for Hate and Harassment - 932 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[05:51:25] <exec> 08└─SHUT Up! Security Guy! Freedom to say factually incorrect, incoherent, and Hairyfeet challenge thing is not freedom either! Just because you are a racist misogynist microphallic internet troll does not mean that you should not be shut up! This is not censorship! Is is mercy. Every time we can keep H...
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[06:44:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score:2) 02You're a sucker - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 341 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:44:39] <exec> 08└─being taken advantage of. It's not worth $250/wk to lose your free time. They want you to be tethered to that short a leash you get at least your hourly pay, preferably time and a half. It doesn't matter how many calls a week you get. What matters is you can't eat out, see a concert/movie, or hell,...
[06:44:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Hairyfeet [75] (Score:2) 02Re:You're a sucker - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 179 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[06:44:40] <exec> 08└─Exactly he needs to be finding another job NOW, they are just gonna use him for every bit of work they can get before they end up kicking him to the curb anyway, its not worth it.
[06:44:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03mhajicek [51] (Score:2) 02Don't know about Canada... - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 204 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:44:41] <exec> 08└─But in the US if you're on call they legally have to pay you minimum wage. On the other hand, that law is rarely enforced and it comes down to supply and demand. How badly do you need that particular job?
[06:44:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Use capitalism - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 176 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:44:43] <exec> 08└─Generally you want to capitalism. Get a competing offer for a different job. Allow both to adjust the terms they are offering to competitively. Pick the one you prefer. Profit.
[06:44:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:3, Funny) 02Re:Middle name not ''Tiberius'' - 06Captain James Kirk Takes US Navy's First Stealth Destroyer Out for Sea Trials - 97 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[06:44:56] <exec> 08└─I anticipate a "Kobayashi Maru" scenario, even without the middle initial. Live long and capsize!
[06:45:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03EQ [1716] (Score:3, Interesting) 02One overlooked issue - 06Captain James Kirk Takes US Navy's First Stealth Destroyer Out for Sea Trials - 417 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:45:01] <exec> 08└─Seaworthiness aside, With a smaller crew, how do they plan to do damage control? That's been the hallmark of US Navy ships - the ability to keep the thing afloat after battle damage. And it is a very crew-intensive activty. Does this mean this ship will be abandoned and sunk off once its damaged to...
[06:45:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03iamjacksusername [1479] (Score:2) 023rd hand rumour - 06Captain James Kirk Takes US Navy's First Stealth Destroyer Out for Sea Trials - 463 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:45:03] <exec> 08└─Captain Kirk is a well regarded Naval officer; command of the Zumwalt is a high profile assignment and evidence of that. If this goes assignment well, his next assignment will likely be the as-yet unnamed next Ford-class carrier.... which will likely be named Enterprise given that the previous Enter...
[06:45:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 143 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[06:45:25] <exec> 08└─If you don't vote then you are in no position to complain when Trump's (or Clinton's) cock gets shoved up your ass. You did nothing to stop it.
[06:45:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:"That Internet" - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 148 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[06:45:42] <exec> 08└─"Install Linus and Lucy, it will it stop the Muslims from hacking thru them tubes." "And install a firewell to stop the Mexiwebs. Illegals fall in."
[06:45:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03NotSanguine [285] (Score:2) 02Re:Cute - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 199 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[06:45:48] <exec> 08└─That does not make the slightest bit of sense. Who do you think knows more about medical care: a degreed, licensed doctor with decades of practice or someone that just likes reading medical journals?
[06:46:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:Dinosauromorphs? - 06Dinosaurs Evolved Much Faster Than Previously Thought - 118 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[06:46:35] <exec> 08└─Dinosaurs that sparkle in sunlight, because of the Golden Tablets and the Salamander Letters? Say it ain't so, wonkey!
[06:47:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:Pork - 06B-52s - the Plane that Refuses to Die - 134 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[06:47:37] <exec> 08└─Can someone point out the offending piece of illiteracity? I am not seeing it. I trust grew, and I grammar nazis, but I don't see it.
[06:47:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Pork - 06B-52s - the Plane that Refuses to Die - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[06:47:43] <exec> 08└─So your entire scenario fails at your second point.
[06:47:59] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] 02Killing machines - how good do they have to be? - 06B-52s - the Plane that Refuses to Die - 2013 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[06:47:59] <exec> 08└─The military industrial complex is always selling us new weapons. Big and small, they claim that technology dictates that we "upgrade" everything. The M-1 was damned good at killing people. The only real, major improvement on the M-1, was adding a selector switch for semi- and automatic firing. Afte...
[06:52:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:Too bad, JMcA - 06McAfee Security Manager lets Anybody Bypass Managers' Security - 317 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[06:52:59] <exec> 08└─On the other hand, I find it is always a good idea to give precedence to native place names, and their native pronunciations. Oft I have heard that I am from "Saymous", or worse. Kansas and Arkansas are, of course, the names of the peoples who populated these places, before an unfortunate influx of...
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[07:44:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Funny) 02Re:Use capitalism - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 33 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:44:42] <exec> 08└─Generally you want to capitalism.
[07:44:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Use capitalism - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 184 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:44:43] <exec> 08└─No. Once they know you were looking, they will move to replace you. Even if you get what you want now, in six months you might find yourself without a job and a burned lead to another.
[07:44:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03OtherOtherWhiteMeat [5965] (Score:2, Interesting) 02How much is your time/life worth? - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 1412 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:44:45] <exec> 08└─It sounds like you are on call for one week out of every two. With respect to the 15 minute response time, is that to respond to the call, or to be able to do meaningful work (I guessing remote connecting to a server or something like that)? Given that you can't go to a concert or out drinking with...
[07:44:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02how hard is it to move on? - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 461 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:44:47] <exec> 08└─Been there, done that. Pagers are nasty evil things. Mine even had a little trilling sound, that people told me was so cute. Threw it off a dock in Mexico when that job ended. Hard times? Mountains? Calgary? If so, I won't say look elsewhere. Doing it for free would be a $13,000 a year pay cut. Is...
[07:44:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03EQ [1716] (Score:2) 02See what the medical community is doing - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 156 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:44:48] <exec> 08└─They are the ones that likely have laws, rules and regulations for medical personnel who are on-call. Doctors, nurses. There should be some precedent there.
[07:44:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03davester666 [155] (Score:2) 02Re:See what the medical community is doing - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 219 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:44:50] <exec> 08└─Yeah, the medical profession has "fucking the new guy". Interns get to work crazy hours [more than 24 hours/shift], catch sleep as they can, under the premise "it makes them work better under adverse conditions". Right.
[07:44:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Username [4557] (Score:2) 02Leave it behind - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:44:52] <exec> 08└─Don’t even carry it. Tell them how it’s going to work from now on. Be an alpha.
[07:44:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Mr Big in the Pants [4956] (Score:2) 02To answer your question.... - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 577 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:44:54] <exec> 08└─"Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work?" Yes, one very simple one. SOP is to attempt to fuck the worker over as much as they will take and erode over time if possible. It dictates that there is no limit to the amount of car salesman banter/BS or strong-arming that can be utilized. At all tim...
[07:44:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Looking at it the wrong way - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 578 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:44:56] <exec> 08└─You are on call 50% of the time. You think you are on a short leash and at a disadvantage. You aren't. They would be screwed if they had no support during half of all non-business hours. You have them by the balls and nobody has figured that out yet. Maybe you should let them know. SOP for many indu...
[07:44:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03EQ [1716] (Score:2) 02nothing about - 06A Look at AMD's GPU Plans for 2016 - 290 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:44:58] <exec> 08└─news for die shrink. Now that their 20nm failed, where's the 14 - not in 2016? Are we stuck at 28 seemingly forever? What about reducing power usage and heat? all this about increased color is nice, but that's always been more of an issue with the panels and interfaces, not the processing.
[07:45:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Beryllium Sphere (r) (5062) (Score:2) 02Re:Critics - 06Captain James Kirk Takes US Navy's First Stealth Destroyer Out for Sea Trials - 281 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:45:09] <exec> 08└─There's centuries of experience with tumblehome hulls. There are tradeoffs, but they don't sink in the first storm. Keep in mind too that it's a warship. If it's more vulnerable to weather but less likely to be found by an enemy, that might be a good tradeoff for the requirements.
[07:45:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Beryllium Sphere (r) (5062) (Score:2) 02Re:One overlooked issue - 06Captain James Kirk Takes US Navy's First Stealth Destroyer Out for Sea Trials - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:45:13] <exec> 08└─It has automated fire suppression and automated closing of damaged pipes, maybe some other tricks. There's only one way to know whether it will work in practice.
[07:45:36] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03hash14 [1102] 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 1809 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:45:36] <exec> 08└─So you're saying that it's not the voters' fault... and then say it's okay not to vote. I have to say, that is OBJECTIVELY the STUPIDEST argument you can make. It's not like you live in Russia, where opposition candidates are assassinated, or in North Korea where you get killed if you don't vote for...
[07:45:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:58th season spoilers ahead - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:45:48] <exec> 08└─She didn't have the super delegates in her pocket by 2008 either.
[07:45:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 127 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:45:49] <exec> 08└─Problem started with them Liberals saying "come in, come in" and never understanding how that set up the USA for self-destruct.
[07:46:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Cute - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:46:03] <exec> 08└─If i was Bill Gates, i'd tell Trump to shut the fuck up and not get me involved in his moronic ideas.
[07:46:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Erect - 06Stonehenge May Have Been First Erected in Wales - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:46:24] <exec> 08└─In Whales! Do you have any idea of the size of whale erections?
[07:48:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Even a war garbage truck is useful - 06B-52s - the Plane that Refuses to Die - 41 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:48:09] <exec> 08└─Once you accomplish that it doesn't mater
[07:48:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:Soviet/Russian Bear - 06B-52s - the Plane that Refuses to Die - 118 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:48:15] <exec> 08└─You really don't understand what carpet bombing is, do you gewg_ ? Hint: it isn't something you would do in mountains.
[07:48:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Killing machines - how good do they have to be? - 06B-52s - the Plane that Refuses to Die - 53 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:48:23] <exec> 08└─Let me just say that I never had an M-14 malfunction.
[07:48:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03EQ [1716] (Score:2) 02Re:two side views - 06B-52s - the Plane that Refuses to Die - 93 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:48:36] <exec> 08└─"Swearing every other word" seemed unrealistic? I take it you haven't served in the military.
[07:50:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03TGV [2838] (Score:2) 02More nonsense - 06Neurological Evidence Found for Chomsky's Theory of Internal Grammar - 417 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:50:56] <exec> 08└─Of course we have a neural substrate that's particularly apt at understanding language, and of course the MEG will show results of phrase ending. There's been evidence for this since the 70s and it's unrelated to Internal or Universal Grammar. The Articificial Markovian Sentences prove nothing: the...
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[08:45:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03bradley13 [3053] (Score:2) 02Practical suggestion - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 984 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:45:12] <exec> 08└─I don't know employment law where you live, IANAL, yadda, yadda. AFAIK, in most countries your company is required to compensate you for being on call. Simply eliminating this is probably a violation of employment law. How much they compensate you, on the other hand, is a matter for negotiation. Exp...
[08:45:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02on call duty at an ISP - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 1391 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:45:13] <exec> 08└─Hi, I used to be on-call duty for incident response at the biggest local ISP, being on the team maintaining a number of different platforms (email, web, IPTV, etc.). We were 6 people rotating through 1-week on-call spells, where everybody maybe had one call every two rotations (i.e. 1 call / 2 weeks...
[08:45:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Captain Quote - 06Captain James Kirk Takes US Navy's First Stealth Destroyer Out for Sea Trials - 36 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:45:40] <exec> 08└─"Khaaaan I try turning it left now?"
[08:45:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03fnj [1654] (Score:1, Troll) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:45:56] <exec> 08└─Any vote... Libertarian, Green, write-in, is a victory against the current duopoly.
[08:45:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score:2) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 466 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:45:57] <exec> 08└─The endless focus on winning ensures that nothing changes and the inevitable cycle of the GOP proposing crazy shit, and the DNC then making it the new normal, goes on and on. At some point though, "either" can implode and disappear and that's when it would be nice to have some other party waiting in...
[08:45:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score:2) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 184 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:45:59] <exec> 08└─Yeah, almost nobody votes for those those parties because they have no chance to win. Those parties have no chance to win because almost nobody votes for them. Do you notice something?
[08:46:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03PinkyGigglebrain [4458] (Score:2) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 1724 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:46:08] <exec> 08└─It is because of people like you, the ones who don't vote that the current leaders of the USA can claim a "Mandate of the majority" and do what they want because they got the more votes than the other party. Even though the "majority" that they claim is in fact only about 1/6th of the voters in the...
[08:46:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Cute - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:46:33] <exec> 08└─I don't think she reads medical journals. Maybe Dr. Oz's latest book, assuming she's literate.
[08:46:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:2) 02Re:Cute - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 28 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:46:35] <exec> 08└─Everyone knows it's Al Gore.
[08:47:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Dinosaurs died off approx. 7000 years ago - 06Dinosaurs Evolved Much Faster Than Previously Thought - 38 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:47:10] <exec> 08└─No, still here, running for president.
[08:47:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03PinkyGigglebrain [4458] (Score:2) 02Re:Dinosauromorphs? - 06Dinosaurs Evolved Much Faster Than Previously Thought - 49 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:47:15] <exec> 08└─Dinosauromorphs are a broad group of creatures...
[08:50:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Frost [3313] (Score:1) 02Re:Not saying that it is right but.. - 06Unsafe Levels of Uranium Found in Water Used for Farming, Drinking - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:50:54] <exec> 08└─Filtration? Distillation? Recombination?
[08:53:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Re:Too bad, JMcA - 06McAfee Security Manager lets Anybody Bypass Managers' Security - 186 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:53:43] <exec> 08└─My g/f does come from near "be-AT-riss", because the they forgot how to English. Were I to ever visit where her roots are, I would deliberately pronounce it "beer-triss" to wind them up.
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[09:44:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03GreatAuntAnesthesia [3275] (Score:2) 02Re:Looking at it the wrong way - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 1335 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:44:57] <exec> 08└─Yup. Double that because you only have to join forces with the one other guy who shares the job to really put the company's balls in a vice. The two of you need to get together and agree the minimum conditions you'd accept to continue in the on-call role. Then increase your demands (but keep them re...
[09:45:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Marco2G [5749] (Score:2) 02It's pretty simple - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 975 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[09:45:00] <exec> 08└─That 250 a week is compensation for you to be willing to be on call at all. And by on call I mean best effort. You try to make sure you have network coverage. Also on call means taking the problem, not solving it. It means calling a colleague and have him fix it if you're away from any computer. If...
[09:45:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03tynin [2013] (Score:2) 02I don't even get paid for it - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 1025 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[09:45:02] <exec> 08└─I'm oncall for a week once every 6 weeks. They "pay" us by giving us a 1/2 day off, generally expected to be taken on the Friday at the end of your oncall. I grin and bare it because the pay is rather nice. To make matters worse, not everyone that is in the oncall rotation is expected to know the sa...
[09:45:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03tynin [2013] (Score:2) 02Re:I don't even get paid for it - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 344 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:45:04] <exec> 08└─Sort of comically (at least to me in my current tired state), I'm oncall right now, and got called at 2:30am, fixed issue by 3am, couldn't get back to sleep, so I drove into work early. At least I can get some work done before the noisy hordes get in, and the non-stop fires keep me from getting any...
[09:45:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:nothing about - 06A Look at AMD's GPU Plans for 2016 - 1015 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:45:11] <exec> 08└─It will almost certainly be 14/16nm in 2016. But look at it this way. Even stuck at 28nm for several years, AMD and NVIDIA managed to make vast improvements in their GPUs. While CPUs, especially Intel, have choked in anything but lower power consumption as they have gotten closer to 10nm. http://www...
[09:45:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Critics - 06Captain James Kirk Takes US Navy's First Stealth Destroyer Out for Sea Trials - 165 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:45:23] <exec> 08└─Keep in mind too that it's a warship. If it's more vulnerable to weather but less likely to be found by an enemy, that might be a good tradeoff for the requirements.
[09:45:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03crb3 [5919] (Score:1) 02Re:3rd hand rumour - 06Captain James Kirk Takes US Navy's First Stealth Destroyer Out for Sea Trials - 26 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:45:29] <exec> 08└─...So, no pressure, right?
[09:45:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03basicbasicbasic [411] (Score:2) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:45:49] <exec> 08└─If you do not vote, you have no right to complain.
[09:46:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Cute - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:46:26] <exec> 08└─That does not make the slightest bit of sense.
[09:47:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:In defense of the dev team - 06Nethack 3.6 Released After Only 12 Years - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:47:28] <exec> 08└─Moreover, thinking of everything necessarily implies thinking of Maude at some time.
[09:47:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:vt100 days - 06Nethack 3.6 Released After Only 12 Years - 53 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:47:33] <exec> 08└─Maybe rock piercers have removed the walls around it?
[09:47:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03GreatAuntAnesthesia [3275] (Score:2) 02Finally! - 06Nethack 3.6 Released After Only 12 Years - 240 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[09:47:36] <exec> 08└─I never ascended, but I have a savegame somewhere with a very powerful SLASH'EM wizard summoning hordes of monsters for an extinctionist (or quasi-extinctionist) game. I might have to fire it up again, haven't touched that in several years.
[09:48:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score:2) 02Re:two side views - 06B-52s - the Plane that Refuses to Die - 57 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:48:57] <exec> 08└─I didn't say it was unrealistic. I said it was pointless.
[09:52:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Fighting the symptoms is always fun! - 06Google Chairman Eric Schmidt Asks for "Spell-Checker" for Hate and Harassment - 176 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:52:51] <exec> 08└─Of course, you're good. Not really healed, but who cares about that, and immunity weakining, and accumulation effects? "I can't see it immediately, so it doesn't exist at all!"
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[10:44:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Why the fuck should I care? - 06Mozilla to Cease Development of Firefox OS - 189 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[10:44:39] <exec> 08└─I've never heard of Firefox OS, and I'm a self-important know-it-all techie nerd, so if I haven't heard of a thing, it's irrelevant. Tell me more about Linux, because I guzzle penguin piss.
[10:44:51] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Snotnose [1623] 02You're a sucker - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 341 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[10:44:51] <exec> 08└─being taken advantage of. It's not worth $250/wk to lose your free time. They want you to be tethered to that short a leash you get at least your hourly pay, preferably time and a half. It doesn't matter how many calls a week you get. What matters is you can't eat out, see a concert/movie, or hell,...
[10:45:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Parent should be at +5 - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 86 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:45:06] <exec> 08└─The solution lies in solidarity with your co-worker. See also Marco2G, below. -- gewg_
[10:45:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03q.kontinuum [532] (Score:2) 0225-50% of normal hourly pay for on-call - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 1670 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[10:45:12] <exec> 08└─depending on how likely the pager is to ring. 100% for the time actually spent working. All percentages calculated for that work-time, e.g. if you are on-call during night and there is a 50% premium for night-work, you would claim between baserate * 1.5 * 0.25 = baserate * 0.375 and baserate * 1.5 *...
[10:45:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Switched to development - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 203 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[10:45:13] <exec> 08└─I didn't get paid extra at all. The contract specified that it was included in the monthly pay. Funny, they didn't lower that monthly pay when I switched to development where I didn't have to be on call.
[10:45:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03GreatAuntAnesthesia [3275] (Score:2) 02Re:Critics - 06Captain James Kirk Takes US Navy's First Stealth Destroyer Out for Sea Trials - 33 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:45:34] <exec> 08└─It looks like a submarine anyway.
[10:46:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03deimtee [3272] (Score:2) 02Re:Cute - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 226 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:46:38] <exec> 08└─You know, for common diseases or problems you definitely want a licensed doctor. But if you have a rare condition there is a pretty good chance that some guy who just enjoys reading all the medical journals is a better option.
[10:47:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score:2) 02Cooked meat resistance - 06UK Report Recommends Cutting Antibiotic Use in Agriculture - 58 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[10:47:06] <exec> 08└─The report also warns of "superbugs" in under-cooked meat.
[10:48:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03GreatAuntAnesthesia [3275] (Score:2) 02Re:The world's smallest violin for them - 06Anti-Piracy Law Firm Johan Schlüter Bilked Entertainment Industry Out of $25m - 105 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:48:01] <exec> 08└─That would be Maxim 29 you're looking for: "The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more. No less."
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[11:44:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Kilo110 [2853] (Score:2) 02not only illegal immigrants - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[11:44:37] <exec> 08└─You're forgetting children, legal immigrants, and prisoners. This isn't only about illegal immigrants
[11:44:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Why the fuck should I care? - 06Mozilla to Cease Development of Firefox OS - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:44:47] <exec> 08└─Because not working on Firefox OS gives them more resources to fuck up the Firefox browser?
[11:44:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03mtrycz [60] (Score:2) 02Sad day - 06Mozilla to Cease Development of Firefox OS - 673 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[11:44:48] <exec> 08└─I like options, and I like Mozilla, so this is pretty bad news. I also had a ZTE Open C (which was a much improved version of ZTE Open, it was usable) and it did what I wanted it to. I use my smartphone as a PDA anyway. The only problem was when Whatsapp decided to shut down their APIs. (I lost the...
[11:44:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nerdfest [80] (Score:2) 02Re:Sad day - 06Mozilla to Cease Development of Firefox OS - 399 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:44:50] <exec> 08└─I'm disappointed about Thunderbird as well. With a focus on privacy, having an email client that could actually support encryption cleanly and easily would go a long way. Better integration of EnigMail and some key infrastructure to make things even easier would be a great thing for them to do. Cert...
[11:45:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:It's pretty simple - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 792 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:45:18] <exec> 08└─Yeah they are screwing the OP. My on call is one week out of four. In four years I have only had calls on Sunday once, and knew it was coming because of how Saturday went. I have missed plenty of calls, it rolls to my boss who is always backup to on call. He will give you a call to make sure everyth...
[11:45:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02The good thing about standards... - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 3176 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[11:45:23] <exec> 08└─...is that your company doesn't seem to have any. Honestly, it sounds like you're being royally shafted. On-call guys in my company get a flat fee paid daily for the inconvenience of carrying the phone (weekly duty cycle shared between twelve team members); this amounts to about 400CDN for a 7-day w...
[11:45:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Geezer [511] (Score:2) 02Basically, you're screwed. - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 825 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[11:45:26] <exec> 08└─Although I relate from a different perspective (manufacturing plant engineering), it always comes down to the fact that as long as you're cashing their checks it's their way or the highway. Every job I've ever had came with the implicit understanding that salaried professional staff does what they h...
[11:45:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Geezer [511] (Score:2) 02They said it would float - 06Captain James Kirk Takes US Navy's First Stealth Destroyer Out for Sea Trials - 396 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[11:45:54] <exec> 08└─I agree about the hull form, but it's the bow shape that scares me. Having ridden out some pretty good storms in the Western Pacific on a cruiser of similar dimensions and watching how the older tin cans behaved in the same seas, I can see this thing taking green water over the bow and basically dri...
[11:46:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 323 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:46:15] <exec> 08└─People who do not vote are better than people who vote for the lesser of two evils. But they would be even better if they voted for some candidate they actually like. They wouldn't vote otherwise, so it's not a 'waste' even if one is foolish enough to believe that not voting for democrats and republ...
[11:48:48] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03frojack [1554] 02Re:Pork - 06B-52s - the Plane that Refuses to Die - 150 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:48:48] <exec> 08└─They could have built something on the B-7xx airfame, but their wouldn't have been enough pork for Boeing in just doing that, or enough sexy new tech.
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[12:44:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03zocalo [302] (Score:2) 02Re:not only illegal immigrants - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 535 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:44:36] <exec> 08└─In practice, no. In reality? The case has been brought in Texas, one of the states with a major problem with illegal immigrants who, while they might not be able to vote themselves, do have a voice that can influence others and how they vote - and both the legimate and illegitimate Hispanic populati...
[12:44:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:not only illegal immigrants - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 145 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:44:37] <exec> 08└─In other words, a shameless vote grab by Desperate democrats for welfare gimme-gimmes. Let's hope it fails. We dont need kids and leeches voting.
[12:44:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:not only illegal immigrants - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:44:38] <exec> 08└─The reasoning may make sense, but I suspect this is more about justifying an excuse for some seriously biased gerrymandering rather than fairer legislative representation.
[12:44:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) 02Re:not only illegal immigrants - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:44:40] <exec> 08└─What about felonious children who also happen to be illegal immigrants? Won't somebody think of them?
[12:44:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] (Score:2) 023/5ths precedent - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 212 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:44:42] <exec> 08└─Slaves were once counted, at only 3/5 per person. Their numbers were useful for slave owners wishing to increase their own power, though of course the slaves could not vote. Their white masters voted for them :p.
[12:44:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Aliens - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 130 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:44:44] <exec> 08└─The case centers around districts with heavy concentrations of people not eligible to vote (generally illegal aliens). So Roswell?
[12:44:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Sad day - 06Mozilla to Cease Development of Firefox OS - 181 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:44:53] <exec> 08└─Firefox browser share has declined massively to as low as 10% by some counts. https://en.wikipedia.org(Source_StatCounter).svg [wikipedia.org]
[12:44:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Fledermaus [1913] (Score:1) 02Re:Sad day - 06Mozilla to Cease Development of Firefox OS - 404 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:44:55] <exec> 08└─I like options too, that's why I bought Jolla :) But Firefox OS was never really an option; I feared it would get worse as time went on, as has been the case with their browser. Firefox is still my main browser (with pentadactyl), though slowly being replaced by qutebrowser. And Whatsapp. Their host...
[12:44:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03romlok [1241] (Score:2) 02Re:Sad day - 06Mozilla to Cease Development of Firefox OS - 106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:44:57] <exec> 08└─Why does the submitter say that Mozilla is somehow struggling? Also, nitpicking, but it's not a "company".
[12:44:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03PizzaRollPlinkett [4512] (Score:2) 02no room for also-rans - 06Mozilla to Cease Development of Firefox OS - 1897 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:44:59] <exec> 08└─The mobile world just doesn't have room for also-ran operating systems. Both iOS and Android are overwhelmingly complex beats that take all your development effort and then some. If you're not trying to learn some baroque, obscure framework like Chromecast's casting, you're running to stand still re...
[12:45:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:2) 02Argh - 06Google Fiber Mulls Los Angeles, Chicago Expansion - 134 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:45:03] <exec> 08└─C'mon, New York already! This city has 3rd world throughput at exorbitant prices. Not even FIOS is available in Brooklyn. It's absurd.
[12:45:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03q.kontinuum [532] (Score:2) 02Re:Use capitalism - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 32 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:45:15] <exec> 08└─Generally you want to capitalism
[12:45:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) 02Re:Parent should be at +5 - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 756 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:45:25] <exec> 08└─Not necessarily. It's quite possible to argue a good deal on your own if you have leverage to do so and it sounds like OP does. Personally, my pager time went like this or I flat would not carry one: Pay me a flat rate for carrying the pager at all. Negotiable on how often and how long I have to car...
[12:45:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03wisnoskij [5149] (Score:2) 02Only on Call 50% of the Time - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 615 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:45:36] <exec> 08└─I think you should stop complaining. In reality you would not be driving out of state and climbing mountains 100% of your off work hours. In reality you would probably be sitting on your couch at home even more often then you do now if you have all of your off work hours free. Not being able to leav...
[12:45:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Re:Kirk vs Kirk - 06Captain James Kirk Takes US Navy's First Stealth Destroyer Out for Sea Trials - 188 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:45:53] <exec> 08└─Neither Picard would win by sitting down with them, serving tea, and convincing them he is the best Sisko would hit them Janeway would press a reset button Archer would set his dog on them
[12:45:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Re:Critics - 06Captain James Kirk Takes US Navy's First Stealth Destroyer Out for Sea Trials - 19 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:45:58] <exec> 08└─So why build ships?
[12:46:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Re:One overlooked issue - 06Captain James Kirk Takes US Navy's First Stealth Destroyer Out for Sea Trials - 43 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:46:05] <exec> 08└─I suspect the engineer is a miracle worker.
[12:46:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:2) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 174 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:46:30] <exec> 08└─I'm sorry. If you do not vote, you have no right to complain. You are part of the problem. Any vote... Libertarian, Green, write-in, is a victory against the current duopoly.
[12:46:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] (Score:2) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 2787 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:46:40] <exec> 08└─Voting, in formal elections, is not enough. Maybe not even the most important thing a person can do. We, the people, have the power to bring bad actors to heel, if only we can see through the propaganda, agree that they are indeed bad, and agree to act. For example, we could have squashed the War of...
[12:46:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03evk [597] (Score:1) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 279 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:46:49] <exec> 08└─Political incorrectness is mostly about spewing out facist, racist, homophobic, etc. shit. Now if you stand for these things I do agree it's better to say it than keeping quiet and still act on it. But I'd much prefer politicans that actually stand for something reasonably good.
[12:51:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03GreatAuntAnesthesia [3275] (Score:2) 02Re:Useless research - 06Unsafe Levels of Uranium Found in Water Used for Farming, Drinking - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:51:25] <exec> 08└─I make my own water too. I don't drink it, but you're welcome to try some if you want to.
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[13:44:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Geezer [511] (Score:2) 02Bbbut Globalism! - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:44:36] <exec> 08└─How can we achieve world peace through global harmony without changing a few laws to suit the suits?
[13:44:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:2) 02Re:not only illegal immigrants - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:44:48] <exec> 08└─You're forgetting children, legal immigrants, and prisoners.
[13:44:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Aliens - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 10 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:44:51] <exec> 08└─Ayy, lmao.
[13:44:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03q.kontinuum [532] (Score:2) 02children vs. illegal immigrants - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 334 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:44:53] <exec> 08└─Interesting. In case of children, I'd argue it is fair because the voters will likely vote in the best interest of the children. In case of illegal immigrants or prisoners I could imagine that voters might have some resentment and vote against the best interest of the non-voters. Should those two si...
[13:44:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:1) 02Re:children vs. illegal immigrants - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 492 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:44:55] <exec> 08└─Did you know your head from your ass when you were a kid? Of course you didn't, nobody does, and kids are generally more stupid now than when you and I were. If anything, I think the voting age should be raised to 25. Or would you rather have a huge voting bloc vote for whomever promised them more c...
[13:44:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:children vs. illegal immigrants - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:44:57] <exec> 08└─Your post has exactly zero relation to the post you "replied" to.
[13:44:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03fritsd [4586] (Score:2) 02You make it sound so hard - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 3067 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:44:59] <exec> 08└─You make it sound so hard.. "(Or is this where we launch off on the usual discussions of a total redesign of the US Voting system to some totally different mathematical model?)" ooh a totally different mathematical model, that sounds complicated. One person one vote, how complicated is that?? The ci...
[13:45:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:You make it sound so hard - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 1964 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:45:00] <exec> 08└─Well, that's a nice description of the actual voting procedure, but that's not what the story is about. The story is about how to interpret the votes afterwards. That is, how to translate vote numbers into elected people. The Dutch voting system is proportional, therefore the only thing that matters...
[13:45:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Systemic problem - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 197 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:45:02] <exec> 08└─The whole problem disappears for a proportional representation system: Then the only thing that counts is how many votes were given for a party, not in which voting district those votes were given.
[13:45:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:1) 02Re:Systemic problem - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 859 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:45:04] <exec> 08└─If we're just gonna let kids vote, though, and also let whoever can get in and let them vote as well; then why be a country and have elections at all? Is destroying our national identity and what's left of our economy worth letting the Democrats have a few extra votes? If I were president I would do...
[13:45:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Systemic problem - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 148 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:45:06] <exec> 08└─You seem to be obsessed with the idea of kids voting, or else why do you bring it up in replies to posts which do not say anything about that topic?
[13:45:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Systemic problem - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:45:08] <exec> 08└─hi donald. I didn't know you were so internet savvy.
[13:45:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02One vote one REGISTERED voter - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 75 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:45:10] <exec> 08└─Those who choose not to participate in the voting process should not count.
[13:45:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03SuperCharlie [2939] (Score:2) 02Re:Don't know about Canada... - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 223 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:45:32] <exec> 08└─That is not accurate. People who qualify as salaried (exempt) employees do not make overtime and any amount paid above salary is at the company's digression. All our on call people are salaried and make peanuts for on call.
[13:45:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] (Score:2) 02Re:Looking at it the wrong way - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 1657 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:45:47] <exec> 08└─One more thing. You have to be prepared to lose or quit the job. Bosses aren't the best thinkers, and sometimes will screw themselves badly, in order to deal with uppity workers. Do NOT count on them to do the smart thing, no matter how obvious. They might indeed cut off their own noses. Be ready, i...
[13:45:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Kromagv0 [1825] (Score:2) 02Re:I don't even get paid for it - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 949 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:45:54] <exec> 08└─In situations like that I've found it useful to make it very clear to management what my expectations are. I had a former manager who liked to micro manage (more like pico manage) and one year I was taking 2 weeks of vacation up in the north woods of Minnesota. At that point I wasn't on call but he...
[13:46:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03ThePhilips [5677] (Score:1) 02My personal experience from Germany - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 3953 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:46:01] <exec> 08└─I had worked in telecom sector for ~6 years with 1 week per month being on-call/standby duty 16/5+24/2 (office hours were covered by (other) people in the office; but full 24 hours during the weekends and holidays). But that was in Germany and might be not really applicable to Canada. I will not lis...
[13:46:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02The standard "KMA" clause... - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 366 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:46:03] <exec> 08└─I'm busy, Kiss My Ass. I used to be called back into work to bail out some dipshit that was in over their head. The last straw was when I was told I wouldn't get paid for dropping whatever I was doing at home, driving to work, fixing a problem no one else could, driving back home, winding down a sec...
[13:46:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02drivers? - 06A Look at AMD's GPU Plans for 2016 - 75 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:46:11] <exec> 08└─unless there is driver support that lasts, what else they do doesn't matter
[13:46:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:drivers? - 06A Look at AMD's GPU Plans for 2016 - 1317 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:46:13] <exec> 08└─http://www.anandtech.com/show/9811/amd-crimson-driver-overview [anandtech.com] http://www.anandtech.com [anandtech.com] In their announcement, AMD notes that their pre-GCN GPUs have “reached peak performance optimization” and that the retirement “ena...
[13:46:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03lentilla [1770] (Score:2) 02stealth? - 06Captain James Kirk Takes US Navy's First Stealth Destroyer Out for Sea Trials - 374 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:46:37] <exec> 08└─What is the point of building a stealthy ship in this day and age? Knowing its location should simply be a matter of keeping track of where it is. OK, perhaps not the easiest of tasks... but surely in the realms of possibility in the billion-dollar arms race. Or is a small radar signature more relev...
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[14:44:36] <exec> 08└─That's an odd way to spell "anti-submarine warfare plane".
[14:44:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03rondon [5167] (Score:4, Insightful) 02My current practices - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 534 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:44:44] <exec> 08└─I currently refuse to buy fish from China, Vietnam, or other places with atrocious environmental records (and food safety records - hello, poisonous baby formula). If this really happens, I will completely stop buying frozen fish, unless it still says specifically where it is from, because I absolut...
[14:44:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:My current practices - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 221 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:44:45] <exec> 08└─I used to get canned salmon to make salmon patties. The last time I bought one it tasted metallic, it all went into the trash. I have no idea where it came from, it was years ago and country of origin wasn't on the label.
[14:44:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Re:My current practices - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 1078 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:44:47] <exec> 08└─I'm similar. I will admit that, given some of the consumer-issue-oriented investigative journalism and documentary tv programs I've seen, and books I've read (like Fast Food Nation), I've got the impression that the US has way worse consumer protection laws than most of the rest of the civilised wor...
[14:44:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03ledow [5567] (Score:2) 02Re:My current practices - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 959 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:44:49] <exec> 08└─From: https://www.wto.org [wto.org] "The Appellate Body agreed with the panel that the recordkeeping and verification requirements of the amended COOL measure impose a disproportionate burden on producers and processors of livestock that cannot be explain...
[14:44:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03zocalo [302] (Score:2) 02Re:not only illegal immigrants - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 521 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:44:58] <exec> 08└─There seems to be a bit of confusion over this point; my understanding is that this has nothing to do with providing votes for those that don't already have it but rather to do with assigning voting districts based on the population of actual voters instead of the current system based around the tot...
[14:45:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03scruffybeard [533] (Score:2) 02Re:3/5ths precedent - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 175 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:45:03] <exec> 08└─In my view, the 3/5ths clause is the strongest argument that demonstrates that the framers had intended that all people should be counted, regardless of their ability to vote.
[14:45:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03scruffybeard [533] (Score:2) 02Re:children vs. illegal immigrants - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 395 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:45:09] <exec> 08└─I think there is a difference between giving children the right to vote, vs. the right to be represented. Should a child have the right to walk into a congressman's office, and ask to be heard on an issue? I would say yes, and the congressman can use his judgment to decide if their candy store conce...
[14:45:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03fritsd [4586] (Score:2) 02Re:You make it sound so hard - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 267 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:45:12] <exec> 08└─Thank you for your clear example and analysis. I completely agree. Especially your second example where party Foo gets 100% of the results from (A+C) and (B+D), with only (60+46)/2=53% of the votes, is striking. But with a majority system, tjhings are not that simple
[14:45:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Insightful) 02No Taxation Without Representation - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 430 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:45:18] <exec> 08└─To me, the answer is straightforward: We all pay taxes - be it income, sales, property, etc - therefore our elected officials represent all of us. Not just registered voters, not just landowners, not just the people who voted for them, not just the people who funded their campaigns, but everyone....
[14:45:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:No Taxation Without Representation - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 457 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:45:20] <exec> 08└─I disagree. Only registered voters should count, and if registered voters don't vote they should be dropped from the registry. Since 1900 the voter turnout has only been 50%-60% of those registered (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_turnout_in_the_United_States_presidential_elections) If taxpayers...
[14:45:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03bradley13 [3053] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Mathematics to prohibit gerrymandering - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 545 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:45:22] <exec> 08└─Some of the Texas districts are pretty insane. When I live there, there was one district that basically followed the highway from San Antonio to Austin, and then carved out one Austin neighboorhood. Another was actually broken into separate non-continuous pieces. It's all designed to defend incumben...
[14:45:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:Use capitalism - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 184 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:45:55] <exec> 08└─No. Once they know you were looking, they will move to replace you. Even if you get what you want now, in six months you might find yourself without a job and a burned lead to another.
[14:46:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Practical suggestion - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 402 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:46:09] <exec> 08└─I actually looked at the Canadian Labour code [justice.gc.ca] about this a few days ago. Section 181.a says that the Governor in Council may specify a minimum number of hours to be paid every day while on call, but I was not able to find any actual regulations on that. Of course, from the original s...
[14:46:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Practical suggestion - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:46:10] <exec> 08└─Actually, section 11.1 specifies a 3 hour minimum if you actually report for work. That may help if you actually get called out.
[14:46:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:25-50% of normal hourly pay for on-call - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 253 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:46:18] <exec> 08└─That sounds like my IRS tax forms. Here's my formula... If you page me to come back to work, you're paying me doubletime from the time the page was received all the way through the time I get home. Oh, you don't like that? See KMA clause farther down...
[14:46:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Only on Call 50% of the Time - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 781 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:46:24] <exec> 08└─Spoken like someone who has never been on call. The requirement to be instantly available has all kinds of deleterious effects on your life. You can't commit to anything because you may have to get up and leave at any moment. Want to go on a date? Go ahead, but your date isn't going to be happy when...
[14:46:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03curunir_wolf [4772] (Score:2) 02Pager - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 88 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:46:27] <exec> 08└─OMG you carry a PAGER? You must work for some backward county government or something...
[14:46:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:drivers? - 06A Look at AMD's GPU Plans for 2016 - 220 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:46:38] <exec> 08└─Ten years ago I bought a laptop with an ATI Radeon Mobile and watched AMD stop making drivers for it inside of a year of owning it. I haven't bought an ATI product since. The drivers just plain suck even when they exist.
[14:46:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nuke [3162] (Score:2) 02Re:Critics - 06Captain James Kirk Takes US Navy's First Stealth Destroyer Out for Sea Trials - 115 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:46:53] <exec> 08└─There's centuries of experience with tumblehome hulls. There are tradeoffs, but they don't sink in the first storm.
[14:47:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nuke [3162] (Score:2) 02Re:stealth? - 06Captain James Kirk Takes US Navy's First Stealth Destroyer Out for Sea Trials - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:47:05] <exec> 08└─..is a small radar signature more relevant to ensure the ship isn't accurately targeted by torpedos/missiles/etc?
[14:47:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03massa [5547] (Score:1) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 123 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:47:24] <exec> 08└─If he loses, you have achieved nothing beyond patting yourself on the back for caring - but caring doesn't change anything.
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[15:44:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:spy plane? - 06U.S. Spy Plane Deploys to Singapore Amid South China Sea Tensions - 411 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:44:38] <exec> 08└─More like over-priced rudimentary ocean surveillance. The P-8 sucks as an ASW platform: no MAD (magnetic anomaly detector) and too high a minimum air speed for precision low-altitude torpedo drops. The Orion and Nimrod, and even the Tu-142, are more effective in the ASW role. Hey, Boeing needed to k...
[15:44:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Aichon [5059] (Score:2) 02Re:spy plane? - 06U.S. Spy Plane Deploys to Singapore Amid South China Sea Tensions - 417 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:44:39] <exec> 08└─It's both. It serves multiple roles, including anti-submarine, anti-surface, and electronic intelligence. But one look at the thing will tell you (since it looks more like a passenger jet or an AWAX than it does a fighter craft or a bomber) that it's not intended to get in a scrap by itself. It basi...
[15:44:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Two dragons!! - 06U.S. Spy Plane Deploys to Singapore Amid South China Sea Tensions - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:44:40] <exec> 08└─Big Earl: Alright guys, I'm not gonna lie to you. This is gonna get kinda weird... Two dragons.
[15:44:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Two dragons!! - 06U.S. Spy Plane Deploys to Singapore Amid South China Sea Tensions - 68 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:44:42] <exec> 08└─http://gifsoup.com/view/1038815/starsky-and-hutch.html [gifsoup.com]
[15:44:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02where can i book a seat? - 06U.S. Spy Plane Deploys to Singapore Amid South China Sea Tensions - 496 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:44:44] <exec> 08└─should that first sentence rather read: "The Boeing P-8 Poseidon aircraft deployed to Singapore IS ADDING to the growing tensions over territorial claims in the South China Sea"? so far the chinese are just "playing in the sand" albeit with grown-up toys that can move quiet a bit more sand on the be...
[15:44:50] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03rondon [5167] 02My current practices - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 534 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:44:51] <exec> 08└─I currently refuse to buy fish from China, Vietnam, or other places with atrocious environmental records (and food safety records - hello, poisonous baby formula). If this really happens, I will completely stop buying frozen fish, unless it still says specifically where it is from, because I absolut...
[15:44:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:2) 02Ultra Locavore - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 862 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:44:55] <exec> 08└─I do the same, but not on the conscious level you do. I have lived in China and been to Vietnam a couple of times, and I've seen the regard they have for hygiene and safety. If the Chinese Ministry of Public Hygiene were to put its seal of approval on any foodstuff coming from China, my first though...
[15:44:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:3, Informative) 02Hoist by our own petard - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 690 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:44:57] <exec> 08└─The US was a heavy backer of the WTO (including having cops beat up and arrest protesters that opposed it back in 1999) because they saw it as a way for US megacorps to not be bound by third-world countries' laws about labor and environmental protections and such. Now they're learning that the WTO a...
[15:44:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03MikeRo [1436] (Score:1) 02Depends on Your Point of View - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 684 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:44:59] <exec> 08└─I'm not an American so I would replace "that consumers rely on to make informed choices about their food" with ", striking down a xenophobic protectionist law." Look carefully at the ruling before passing judgement. Note who brought the action against the US. Try to figure out who would benefit most...
[15:45:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03WillR [2012] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Depends on Your Point of View - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 315 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:45:01] <exec> 08└─You're thinking too small and close to home. We're already buying Mexican vegetables and Canadian grains labeled with giant US agribusiness brands. This is about making shrimp farmed off Vietnam using literal slave labor indistinguishable from the reputable local stuff once it's in your grocery sto...
[15:45:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03MikeRo [1436] (Score:1) 02Re:Depends on Your Point of View - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 146 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:45:02] <exec> 08└─That's how they sell the law to US consumers. There are better ways to deal with the slave labour issues and piss-poor resource management issues.
[15:45:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Not a citizen - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 220 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:45:04] <exec> 08└─I'm not a citizen of the WTO. I say "fuck 'em". Hell, if my government were to ask, I would be willing to plant some terroristic bombs in the WTO offices. Presumptuous bastards, telling us how we are to conduct business.
[15:45:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Alfred [4006] (Score:2) 02Re:not only illegal immigrants - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 34 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:45:13] <exec> 08└─I work for the US Census Bureau...
[15:45:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03jdavidb [5690] (Score:2) 02Re:not only illegal immigrants - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 230 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:45:14] <exec> 08└─Just think, under the present system, if Texans would embrace their illegal immigrant population, they could probably hornswaggle the situation around to get more representation in their legislature. (I'm a pro-immigration Texan.)
[15:45:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:2) 02Re:3/5ths precedent - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 197 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:45:19] <exec> 08└─Except the fact that women (or, you know, half of the citizens of this country) counted for purposes of apportionment and districting but not for purposes of voting seems to put that into question.
[15:45:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03scruffybeard [533] (Score:2) 02Re:3/5ths precedent - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 708 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:45:20] <exec> 08└─Not sure I follow what you are saying. One of the questions before the court is what was the framers intended. How did they want the population counted for purposes of representation. From article one, "Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be inclu...
[15:45:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:children vs. illegal immigrants - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 111 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:45:27] <exec> 08└─"like they do for every other issue that comes before them with a nice "campaign contribution" attached. FTFY
[15:45:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03fritsd [4586] (Score:2) 02Re:Systemic problem - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 1505 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:45:35] <exec> 08└─I found your post flame-bait-y but I'd like to respond to your issue with kids voting: I don't understand the problem here: the government knows the age and home address of everyone in town, and only the kids parents and (great-...) grandparents get sent a personal voting pass, if they're citizens r...
[15:45:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:No Taxation Without Representation - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 1154 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:45:39] <exec> 08└─Only registered voters should count The thing is only registered voters DO count. It is already this way. The other people by definition do not vote. I being a registered votes vote basically some fraction of my vote for them. If they like it or not. I am the one who gets more power. Because I regis...
[15:45:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:2) 02Re:No Taxation Without Representation - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 1420 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:45:40] <exec> 08└─I'm a registered voter. I'm even a '1' (in voter registration terms, that means I vote in every election, including run-off elections, judicial races, and the like. The shorthand is that I am among those who follow politics most closely, know the issues, etc). I still don't count. Why? Because what...
[15:45:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:No Taxation Without Representation - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 557 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:45:42] <exec> 08└─You have low political efficacy (look it up). The fact is that real power is more distributed in the USA than it ever has been in the last 120 years or more. People don't read newspapers anymore, they get their news from the Internet and TV - and the latter is rapidly declining in share as people cu...
[15:45:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:No Taxation Without Representation - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 339 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:45:44] <exec> 08└─Taxes are not citizenship. I've paid minor amounts of taxes to several countries this year, but that doesn't make me a citizen of these countries, it doesn't give me an interest in their well-being, and it certainly didn't accord me any of the benefits or other responsibilities of citizenship. Citiz...
[15:45:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Easy way to simplify things - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:45:46] <exec> 08└─Well, there is an easy way to simplify things. Just kill all the Mexicans. Problem Solved.
[15:45:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03jdavidb [5690] (Score:3, Insightful) 02How do I see it? - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 225 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:45:48] <exec> 08└─Do Soylentils see the allocation of election districts as a process to distribute legislative seats equally over the number of voters, or equally over the number of people (regardless of whether those people can vote or not)?
[15:45:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03tizan [3245] (Score:1) 02What are representatives for ? - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 654 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:45:51] <exec> 08└─That is the question.... If there is more work to be done because the population is bigger then there should be more representatives for a given region with more population. If there is more work because of only those who are allowed to vote represent the amount of work necessary..then it should be...
[15:45:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:2) 02Soylent Politics - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 1194 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:45:53] <exec> 08└─I know that the first primaries in the American presidential race are approaching, and that some Soylentils, left, right, center, and other are focused on the outcome, but there have been quite a lot of US-centric political stories entering the story stream. I personally have a long, close history o...
[15:46:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03quixote [4355] (Score:2) 02Another geekphone owner - 06Mozilla to Cease Development of Firefox OS - 865 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:46:01] <exec> 08└─who bought just before they stopped making FirefoxOS updates available for that model. I suppose I could have figured that out if I'd been paying attention (way too little activity on the xda-developers forums, for one) but it didn't occur to me that (what was) an open source stalwart would screw it...
[15:46:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Celestial [4891] (Score:2) 02Alternative Mobile OS - 06Mozilla to Cease Development of Firefox OS - 265 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:46:03] <exec> 08└─Is there any viable alternative mobile OS to iOS and Android in North America? Not even Windows Phone is surviving here, at least not well. I wanted to like and support Jolla, but it's complete and utter disregard for the North America market made it a non-starter.
[15:46:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Fnord666 [652] (Score:2) 02Re:Don't know about Canada... - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 223 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:46:20] <exec> 08└─That is not accurate. People who qualify as salaried (exempt) employees do not make overtime and any amount paid above salary is at the company's digression. All our on call people are salaried and make peanuts for on call.
[15:46:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03scruffybeard [533] (Score:2) 02Re:How much is your time/life worth? - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 767 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:46:27] <exec> 08└─What you describe is the norm in my area. You are paid a small premium for the time that you are on call, and bonus if actually called in (virtually or physically). I can appreciate that his employer wants to keep costs down. Hence they operate an on call system, instead of an extended hours (or 24x...
[15:46:35] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] 02Re:Parent should be at +5 - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 756 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:46:36] <exec> 08└─Not necessarily. It's quite possible to argue a good deal on your own if you have leverage to do so and it sounds like OP does. Personally, my pager time went like this or I flat would not carry one: Pay me a flat rate for carrying the pager at all. Negotiable on how often and how long I have to car...
[15:46:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03kurenai.tsubasa [5227] (Score:2) 02Re:It's pretty simple - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 704 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:46:45] <exec> 08└─Here, I'll throw out this tip. If you don't want to respond to a page, don't. Do you have an answering service or call center that's actually paging you? Blame the fuck out of them. Claim you never got the page. It always works. The trick is you have to go full Trump about it. When the answering ser...
[15:46:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03xav [5579] (Score:2) 02Re:Only on Call 50% of the Time - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 47 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:46:56] <exec> 08└─Spoken like someone who has never been on call.
[15:47:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:Critics - 06Captain James Kirk Takes US Navy's First Stealth Destroyer Out for Sea Trials - 1763 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:47:22] <exec> 08└─Not my expertise, Bubba. I had no idea that an iron hulled tumblehome ever existed, until I went in search of information. I've read many real expert's opinions, as well as engineering arguments against tumblehome. Conventional hulls have built in "righting arms" - that is, when a ship rolls off of...
[15:47:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:Critics - 06Captain James Kirk Takes US Navy's First Stealth Destroyer Out for Sea Trials - 351 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:47:27] <exec> 08└─"(where did they get that name?)" http://www.csmonitor.com [csmonitor.com] Zumwalt liked to joke, "I have a long list of friends and a long list of enemies, and I'm equally proud of both," Zumwalt had a hell of a lot...
[15:47:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:Critics - 06Captain James Kirk Takes US Navy's First Stealth Destroyer Out for Sea Trials - 225 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:47:29] <exec> 08└─"There's centuries of experience with tumblehome hulls." That was back in the day of wooden ships, and iron men. When we switched over to iron ships, and wooden men, we quickly learned that the tradeoffs weren't so very good.
[15:49:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03iWantToKeepAnon [686] (Score:2) 02Best practices - 06Stonehenge May Have Been First Erected in Wales - 125 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:49:00] <exec> 08└─somewhere near the quarries there is the first Stonehenge and that what we're seeing at Stonehenge is a second-hand monument.
[15:49:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:2) 02Re:vt100 days - 06Nethack 3.6 Released After Only 12 Years - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:49:52] <exec> 08└─That could be a book rather than a door. (You know you've been playing Nethack too long when you recognize this without having to look it up.)
[15:50:33] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Knowledge Troll [5948] 02Upgrade to Physics 10, won't regret it - 06B-52s - the Plane that Refuses to Die - 63 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:50:33] <exec> 08└─Because of the way someone setup the universe's gravity drivers
[15:51:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03CoolHand [438] (Score:2) 02Re:Killing machines - how good do they have to be? - 06B-52s - the Plane that Refuses to Die - 334 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:51:08] <exec> 08└─Please note, that as crew served, suppressive fire (or anti-materiel) tools, machineguns are better classified as ordnance than as arms, a distinction which was very clearly understood at the time the framers wrote the US constitution, so it's not at all insane to draw the line at fully automatic fi...
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[16:44:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03fishybell [3156] (Score:2) 02Can't put the genie back in the bottle - 06David Miranda Appeals Heathrow Detention Decision - 558 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:44:35] <exec> 08└─The whole "'very pressing' interests of national security" falls flat when you think about the fact that Edward Snowden had already started leaking documents, and was far, far away from US and UK jurisdiction. If they had intelligence that Miranda was about to start the whole thing off, or if they h...
[16:44:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:spy plane? - 06U.S. Spy Plane Deploys to Singapore Amid South China Sea Tensions - 131 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:44:45] <exec> 08└─AWAX? That a competitor for http://www.barnes.com.au [barnes.com.au] ? Or did you mean AWACS?
[16:44:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Aichon [5059] (Score:2) 02Re:spy plane? - 06U.S. Spy Plane Deploys to Singapore Amid South China Sea Tensions - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:44:48] <exec> 08└─Thanks for the correction. Quite right. Mea culpa.
[16:44:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Re:where can i book a seat? - 06U.S. Spy Plane Deploys to Singapore Amid South China Sea Tensions - 136 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:44:51] <exec> 08└─No you don't understand. Singapore is worried about a foreign nation coming in, so it's inviting a foreign nation in to help protect it.
[16:45:01] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03ledow [5567] 02Re:My current practices - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 959 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:45:02] <exec> 08└─From: https://www.wto.org [wto.org] "The Appellate Body agreed with the panel that the recordkeeping and verification requirements of the amended COOL measure impose a disproportionate burden on producers and processors of livestock that cannot be explain...
[16:45:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03gnuman [5013] (Score:2) 02Re:Not a citizen - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 220 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:45:09] <exec> 08└─I'm not a citizen of the WTO. I say "fuck 'em". Hell, if my government were to ask, I would be willing to plant some terroristic bombs in the WTO offices. Presumptuous bastards, telling us how we are to conduct business.
[16:45:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Not a citizen - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:45:12] <exec> 08└─Hehe, own dog bites. You made it happen, now you bend over.
[16:45:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03digitalaudiorock [688] (Score:2) 02Combine this with recent FDA rulings - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 310 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:45:14] <exec> 08└─Combine this with the fact that the country of origin is one of the few ways consumers can determine if they're buying GMO Salmon [wikipedia.org], (Panama specifically), because the FDA ruled against requiring it to be labeled as such...just wonderful. Consumers can't catch a break even from our own...
[16:45:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:not only illegal immigrants - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 458 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:45:23] <exec> 08└─You have no idea what you are talking about. No one is going to let kids or illegal immigrants vote. This has to do in whether they count for districting purposes. The hope on the Right is that they don't, which will allow them to gerrymander the districts worse then they are. If anyone is playing g...
[16:45:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03q.kontinuum [532] (Score:2) 02Re:children vs. illegal immigrants - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 284 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:45:39] <exec> 08└─Where did I ask for a right for kids to vote?!? Of course not! But while adult voters are likely to represent the interests of their kids, and therefore the kids should weigh in on their votes, the voters might be less likely to represent the best interests of the illegal immigrants.
[16:45:55] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03bradley13 [3053] 02Mathematics to prohibit gerrymandering - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 545 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:45:55] <exec> 08└─Some of the Texas districts are pretty insane. When I live there, there was one district that basically followed the highway from San Antonio to Austin, and then carved out one Austin neighboorhood. Another was actually broken into separate non-continuous pieces. It's all designed to defend incumben...
[16:46:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Another geekphone owner - 06Mozilla to Cease Development of Firefox OS - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:46:15] <exec> 08└─Mandatory chromification.
[16:46:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03quixote [4355] (Score:2) 02Re:Another geekphone owner - 06Mozilla to Cease Development of Firefox OS - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:46:17] <exec> 08└─Yeah. There is that, too.
[16:46:33] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Hairyfeet [75] 02Re:You're a sucker - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 179 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:46:34] <exec> 08└─Exactly he needs to be finding another job NOW, they are just gonna use him for every bit of work they can get before they end up kicking him to the curb anyway, its not worth it.
[16:46:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03mhajicek [51] (Score:2) 02Re:Don't know about Canada... - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 164 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:46:38] <exec> 08└─Many companies abuse the "salaried" designation. Just because you're salaried doesn't mean they can pay you less than minimum wage once all hours are accounted for.
[16:46:50] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03GreatAuntAnesthesia [3275] 02Re:Looking at it the wrong way - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 1335 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:46:50] <exec> 08└─Yup. Double that because you only have to join forces with the one other guy who shares the job to really put the company's balls in a vice. The two of you need to get together and agree the minimum conditions you'd accept to continue in the on-call role. Then increase your demands (but keep them re...
[16:47:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03q.kontinuum [532] (Score:2) 02Re:25-50% of normal hourly pay for on-call - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 335 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:47:07] <exec> 08└─Sounds good for the employer. You are on-call full week, give up all freedom, and are paid half an hour because there is only one call... Sorry if my example-calculation overwhelmed you. It's very simple: I'm on call, I get paid 1/4 - 1/2 of my regular salary for that time. I am actually called, I g...
[16:48:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02Re:The T is silent - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:48:08] <exec> 08└─If Trump takes the primary prepare for 8 years of Hillary. Republicans: Get your house in order!
[16:48:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 325 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:48:22] <exec> 08└─Fine. Because by that logic if I don't vote then the winner of the vote has no right to rule over me, either. There's this thing called the Constitution that disagrees with this assertion. It says that whoever wins, regardless of who exactly votes, get to run the Legislative, Executive and (some...
[16:48:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 179 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:48:24] <exec> 08└─"Fucking hard" "Non-Trivial" "Difficulties" ... Newsflash: Making meaningful change IS fucking hard. But it's never gonna happen if you just hand the reins to the Dems/Repubs.
[16:48:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 217 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:48:30] <exec> 08└─Part of the problem is apologist thinking that it is "good enough" to just vote for the lesser evil... The other part is all the folks (in this thread, even) that would vote third party but just can't be bothered.
[16:48:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 229 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:48:33] <exec> 08└─. Even a 2-3% vote for an independent candidate/third party could be enough to scare your major party's officials into shape. Elections these days are won by fractions of a percentage. 2-3% for a third party would be massive.
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[17:44:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Coloured coin? - 06Overstock to Issue Shares on the Bitcoin Blockchain - 239 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:44:35] <exec> 08└─This is the first time I hear of coloured coins. Can coins be identified as coloured or uncoloured by a third party? That is, if I send you a coloured bitcoin without telling you, can you determine that the bitcoin I sent you was coloured?
[17:44:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03BananaPhone [2488] (Score:2) 02Indirect? - 06David Miranda Appeals Heathrow Detention Decision - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:44:43] <exec> 08└─If this is not DIRECT interference with press freedom, What is? A bullet to the head?
[17:44:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Dunbal [3515] (Score:2) 02Re:Indirect? - 06David Miranda Appeals Heathrow Detention Decision - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:44:45] <exec> 08└─Sadly I am sure you would find many people ready to defend the bullet to the head approach, too. It's almost as if people want to be enslaved.
[17:44:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Two dragons!! - 06U.S. Spy Plane Deploys to Singapore Amid South China Sea Tensions - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:44:59] <exec> 08└─Big Earl: Alright guys, I'm not gonna lie to you. This is gonna get kinda weird... Two dragons.
[17:45:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Re:where can i book a seat? - 06U.S. Spy Plane Deploys to Singapore Amid South China Sea Tensions - 245 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:45:02] <exec> 08└─Yep, and the US can't do anything about China's actions, so they send a token of support. The fact that it justifies that a US plane has to take a different flight path to potentially listen in on all the parties involved is purely coincidental.
[17:45:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Herro prease want more rand fer china! - 06U.S. Spy Plane Deploys to Singapore Amid South China Sea Tensions - 2446 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:45:04] <exec> 08└─██████╗██╗ ██╗██╗███╗ ██╗ ██████╗ ██████╗██╗ ██╗██╗███╗ ██╗ ██████╗ ████████╗██╗███╗ ██╗ ██████╗...
[17:45:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Depends on Your Point of View - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 24 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:45:20] <exec> 08└─Yes, and those would be?
[17:45:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nerdfest [80] (Score:2) 02Re:Not a citizen - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 204 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:45:23] <exec> 08└─Not that I agree with, condone, or encourage that sort of action, but in this case the difference is that it would be better for pretty much everyone on the planet (with the obvious exception of the WTO).
[17:45:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Re:Not a citizen - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 16 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:45:25] <exec> 08└─No, it wouldn't.
[17:45:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02You vote for politicians - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:45:27] <exec> 08└─but the corporations run the world. Isn't democracy wonderful?
[17:45:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Re:You vote for politicians - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 157 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:45:29] <exec> 08└─But free market! Corporations should be free to say your beef is from Iowa, even if it's actually a 3 year old child from Beijing. Invisible hand wins again!
[17:45:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03fishybell [3156] (Score:2) 02Re:3/5ths precedent - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:45:49] <exec> 08└─Women were free persons, and while they could not vote, they were to be counted for purposes of assigning representatives to congress from that state.
[17:46:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:One vote one REGISTERED voter - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 410 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:46:07] <exec> 08└─Without a Constitutional Amendment, you would then end up with the strange situation where everyone is counted to determine how many representatives the state gets but are then divided up based on how many registered voters there are. Also, just because you are registered, doesn't mean you vote. Reg...
[17:46:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Mathematics to prohibit gerrymandering - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 987 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:46:15] <exec> 08└─Yeah, I think we need to put forth state amendments that the redistricting is done by math, not legislative vote: 1) All legislators are allowed to submit maps for each redistricting. 2) All submitted maps are considered for suitability: Must cover entire state with exactly one district, must have t...
[17:46:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02voting for laws mostly? - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 837 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:46:20] <exec> 08└─well, aliens can't vote. also it is strange that ONE person is involved in voting TWICE. once, the actual person votes, the second time the same person is "overruled" by some other person representing the collective (to which the person counts) and which votes on behalf of that ONE person. all very...
[17:46:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03SecurityGuy [1453] (Score:2) 02Make them legal or kick them out. - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 399 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:46:22] <exec> 08└─This entire nonsense of having millions of illegal aliens and doing nothing about it creates no end of problems. The case centers around districts with heavy concentrations of people not eligible to vote (generally illegal aliens). These are counted by the census, and that district gets legislative...
[17:46:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Cool idea? - 06Mozilla to Cease Development of Firefox OS - 425 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:46:39] <exec> 08└─isn't /wasn't firefox OS like a super powerfull CMS? normally you can do page layout, add/edit/delete text-images-tables-multimedia and then do searches on this with a CMS via browser. so no need to write html text or use a local html editor and then upload the stuff to a webserver. the CMS does it...
[17:46:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02how do they do it? - 06Google Fiber Mulls Los Angeles, Chicago Expansion - 438 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:46:47] <exec> 08└─just curious .. any info on what kindda "off-the-shelf" tech is being deployed by google fiber? like that piece of equipment that gathers the 100 fiber strands from 100 google-homes and then muxes them into one fiber to be carried off ... to ... facebook and youtube. i doubt that facebook and youtub...
[17:47:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Don't know about Canada... - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 622 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:47:01] <exec> 08└─You also have to watch out for negotiation of different times. For example, if you assume the same job (other than on call requirements) and experience NOC being paid $60,000 and OC are paid $70,000 and they are responsible for 1/3 of OC time, then you are violating the law. The on call portion of t...
[17:48:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Critics - 06Captain James Kirk Takes US Navy's First Stealth Destroyer Out for Sea Trials - 34 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:48:12] <exec> 08└─submarines have righting-arms too?
[17:48:47] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 174 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:48:47] <exec> 08└─I'm sorry. If you do not vote, you have no right to complain. You are part of the problem. Any vote... Libertarian, Green, write-in, is a victory against the current duopoly.
[17:48:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03zugedneb [4556] (Score:2) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 234 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:48:51] <exec> 08└─what we have to do, is to let it crash and burn. the "crucial" info online will not reach those who would need the knowledge most. the internet is not a replacement for meeting people in pubs and events to debate or just get informed.
[17:49:01] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03PinkyGigglebrain [4458] 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 1724 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:49:02] <exec> 08└─It is because of people like you, the ones who don't vote that the current leaders of the USA can claim a "Mandate of the majority" and do what they want because they got the more votes than the other party. Even though the "majority" that they claim is in fact only about 1/6th of the voters in the...
[17:50:18] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Marand [1081] 02Re:Would you like your changelog Identified? - 06Nethack 3.6 Released After Only 12 Years - 1995 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:50:18] <exec> 08└─My angband of choice is still zangband [zangband.org], despite not being updated in a very long time. It's still in the Debian repos, and I always install it. Partly it's because I liked the Amber books it's based on, but mostly it's just because, of all the variants I've tried, it's still the one t...
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[18:44:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Coloured coin? - 06Overstock to Issue Shares on the Bitcoin Blockchain - 182 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:44:36] <exec> 08└─It's not actually a different type of bitcoin, they're just nicknamed this because the metadata is stored on the blockchain but they represent something other than an actual bitcoin.
[18:44:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Block-chain polution - 06Overstock to Issue Shares on the Bitcoin Blockchain - 226 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:44:37] <exec> 08└─This is bad for Bitcoin is some ways because it involves overloading meaning onto the block-chain, making it less useful as a currency. For example, "coloured coin" schemes discourage coin mixing, making Bitcoin less fungible.
[18:44:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snow [1601] (Score:2) 02Re:Coloured coin? - 06Overstock to Issue Shares on the Bitcoin Blockchain - 362 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:44:39] <exec> 08└─Here is the spec for colored coins: https://github.com [github.com] I don't quite understand how it works, but to answer your question, yes, you should be able to tell if a coin given to you is colored by checking the OP_RETURN...
[18:44:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03BK [4868] (Score:2) 02Re:Can't put the genie back in the bottle - 06David Miranda Appeals Heathrow Detention Decision - 115 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:44:47] <exec> 08└─The whole "'very pressing' interests of national security" falls flat [...] It was a scare tactic, pure and simple.
[18:44:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Indirect? - 06David Miranda Appeals Heathrow Detention Decision - 219 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:44:50] <exec> 08└─It's because for some reason they think they will be part of the group that will make the decisions in a statist society. Protip to the world: If you are reading this, then you will not be making any of those decisions.
[18:44:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02They knew he wasn't a terrorist. - 06David Miranda Appeals Heathrow Detention Decision - 283 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:44:52] <exec> 08└─Isn't it great that you can be detained under the Terrorism Act when they are fully aware that you are not a terrorist. They stopped him because they knew exactly who he was and what he was carrying. Ah, the oft repeated wisdom regarding "trust us, we'd never abuse these powers."
[18:44:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] (Score:2) 02the War for Liberty - 06David Miranda Appeals Heathrow Detention Decision - 710 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:44:54] <exec> 08└─Does it ever end? The founding fathers didn't think it would. All the time, we have to roll back overzealous enforcement and bad, corrupt lawmaking. Power corrupts. If ever a day comes when power doesn't corrupt, then the War for Liberty will be won. Maybe in the distant future, after evolution has...
[18:45:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Joe Desertrat [2454] (Score:2) 02Re:My current practices - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 221 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:45:19] <exec> 08└─I used to get canned salmon to make salmon patties. The last time I bought one it tasted metallic, it all went into the trash. I have no idea where it came from, it was years ago and country of origin wasn't on the label.
[18:45:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Hoist by our own petard - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 570 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:45:24] <exec> 08└─We aren't bound by International Law. International Law is always non-binding. Important points: Congress can repeal any treaty. The individual states can repeal any treaty that infringes upon thier interests. If a treaty violates the constitution, the supreme court can strike it down (and has befor...
[18:45:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02Re:Hoist by our own petard - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 164 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:45:26] <exec> 08└─There's a whole bunch of folks that are opposed to any and all consumer protection requirements. I'm sure this excuse to remove one is 100% intended consequences...
[18:45:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:Not a citizen - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 172 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:45:36] <exec> 08└─That is a matter of opinion. To date, I've not seen how the WTO benefits any common citizens. Oh, there is a LOT of benefit for corporations, but for common citizens, nada.
[18:45:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Re:Not a citizen - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 347 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:45:37] <exec> 08└─Well the libertarians will tell us how what's good for a corporation is good for everyone, but no, I'm sure the WTO is terrible However using violence is not the answer. Some "righteous" causes have used violence in the past - Nelson Mandella, the IRA, ISIS. Sometimes they get their way, sometimes t...
[18:45:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Re:Not a citizen - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 533 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:45:39] <exec> 08└─... sneak attacks are wrong. Attacking someone because you don't like their business practice? That's OK is it? If the majority of your country does not like the WTO, then simply ban your country from dealing with it. You're a sovereign state, act like one. Sure there are consequences, other country...
[18:45:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nerdfest [80] (Score:2) 02Re:Not a citizen - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 163 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:45:41] <exec> 08└─I mentioned that in my comment. It doesn't change that the WTO doesn't do any good for individuals. As the GP mentioned, they're quite beneficial for corporations.
[18:45:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Re:Not a citizen - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 502 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:45:43] <exec> 08└─You said it would be better for pretty much everyone on the planet Sneak attacks are not better for "pretty much everyone on the planet", no matter who the target, and espeically when there's a non-violent way of dealing with it. Even ignoring the moral losses, the reality of the fallout of this wou...
[18:45:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:Not a citizen - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 168 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:45:45] <exec> 08└─But, violence is it's own reward. You don't have to wait the rest of your life to see if you're rewarded in the next lifetime, or if you're reincarnated as a cockroach.
[18:45:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:Not a citizen - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 266 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:45:47] <exec> 08└─Gubbermint, of course. "if my government were to ask" Ya see, gubbermint consists of real people. Unlike Daesh, with their imaginary moon god and psychopathic prophet. And, you'll notice that I stipulated that gubbermint has to ask me to perform this dastardly deed.
[18:45:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02Re:Not a citizen - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 115 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:45:49] <exec> 08└─...I would be willing to plant some terroristic bombs in the WTO offices. Rather amusing, considering your sig.
[18:45:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Who wants to know things about what they are eatin - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 55 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:45:51] <exec> 08└─anyways. I say just shovel it in and hope for the best.
[18:45:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02How Obama responds - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 603 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:45:53] <exec> 08└─"How the Obama administration responds to the WTO ruling will have a significant impact on its efforts to build congressional and public support for the controversial Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP)." Even if Obama doesn't cave to the rulings who is to say that the next president won't? So Obama doe...
[18:45:56] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Kilo110 [2853] 02not only illegal immigrants - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 101 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:45:56] <exec> 08└─You're forgetting children, legal immigrants, and prisoners. This isn't only about illegal immigrants
[18:46:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:3/5ths precedent - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:46:10] <exec> 08└─I think that they should give representative count to all citizens, of any age, prisoner or not. BUT they should NOT count illegal immigrants.
[18:46:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03BK [4868] (Score:2) 02Re:Aliens - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:46:13] <exec> 08└─Only if they respond to the census. They may need to show a rental agreement for wherever they park their saucer.
[18:46:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02Re:children vs. illegal immigrants - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 104 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:46:21] <exec> 08└─I plant on voting for whoever promises to fix that damn Turkey Farm gate! They seem to keep escaping.
[18:46:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03soylentsandor [309] (Score:2) 02Re:You make it sound so hard - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 157 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:46:26] <exec> 08└─At least Foo had the majority of the votes. In 2000, we learned a person can become president even when his opponent gets half a million [uh.edu] more votes.
[18:46:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03fritsd [4586] (Score:2) 02Re:voting for laws mostly? - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 201 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:46:45] <exec> 08└─once, the actual person votes, the second time the same person is "overruled" by some other person representing the collective (to which the person counts) and which votes on behalf of that ONE person.
[18:46:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03richtopia [3160] (Score:2) 02Re:Sad day - 06Mozilla to Cease Development of Firefox OS - 276 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:46:57] <exec> 08└─This worries me. Chrome is a good browser, but it seems we are moving to a monoculture. I don't think it will be as bad as IE6 days, but already I hit websites using advanced features of HTML5 that only Chrome supports - even the webkit Opera browser does not render the page.
[18:47:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02I love my FxOS phone - 06Mozilla to Cease Development of Firefox OS - 373 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:47:06] <exec> 08└─I love my ZTE Open C. It doesn't have a 500 dpi screen or anything, but it gets the job done (web browsing, email, XMPP, sms, phone calls, calendar, music player). Once I figured out how to update it with the 2.2 channel I was set. I've been using it for a year now and am quite please. Needless to s...
[18:47:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03richtopia [3160] (Score:2) 02Re:Leave it behind - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:47:40] <exec> 08└─Even better: Be a Zebra http://dresdencodak.com [dresdencodak.com]
[18:48:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03srobert [4803] (Score:3, Touché) 02Contract? - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 376 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:48:03] <exec> 08└─This "social contract", however is not a contract at all unless it is written down and signed by both parties or their representatives. Whether union, or not, if I could change one thing about labor law in the U.S., it would be that all employment be conducted under legal written contracts of employ...
[18:48:06] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03xav [5579] 02Re:Only on Call 50% of the Time - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 47 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:48:06] <exec> 08└─Spoken like someone who has never been on call.
[18:48:07] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03ThePhilips [5677] 02My personal experience from Germany - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 3953 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:48:08] <exec> 08└─I had worked in telecom sector for ~6 years with 1 week per month being on-call/standby duty 16/5+24/2 (office hours were covered by (other) people in the office; but full 24 hours during the weekends and holidays). But that was in Germany and might be not really applicable to Canada. I will not lis...
[18:48:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02What do they plan doing to the binary blobs? - 06A Look at AMD's GPU Plans for 2016 - 169 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:48:21] <exec> 08└─Search for radeon in https://git.kernel.org [kernel.org] ewww And you though Linux was pure...
[18:48:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Osamabobama [5842] (Score:1) 02Re:Critics - 06Captain James Kirk Takes US Navy's First Stealth Destroyer Out for Sea Trials - 266 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:48:38] <exec> 08└─It's a good way to park a missile battery in a strategic location. Both cruise missiles and air defense missiles are carried by destroyers. There is also some value in the embarked helicopter and the deck gun, although these have more limited strategic implications.
[18:48:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Osamabobama [5842] (Score:1) 02Re:3rd hand rumour - 06Captain James Kirk Takes US Navy's First Stealth Destroyer Out for Sea Trials - 118 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:48:51] <exec> 08└─That would be entertaining, to be sure, but US aircraft carriers are commanded by aviators, which Captain Kirk is not.
[18:49:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03urza9814 [3954] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 321 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:49:15] <exec> 08└─The endless focus on winning ensures that nothing changes and the inevitable cycle of the GOP proposing crazy shit, and the DNC then making it the new normal, goes on and on. At some point though, "either" can implode and disappear and that's when it would be nice to have some other party waiting in...
[18:49:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03basicbasicbasic [411] (Score:2) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 43 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:49:21] <exec> 08└─I didn't vote for the Constitution, either.
[18:53:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Ah do you remember those days of yore - 06DailyMotion Hit by Malvertising Attack Using the Angler Exploit Kit - 75 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:53:07] <exec> 08└─When malware meant that you'd have an ambulance driving around your screen?
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[19:44:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Fishscene [4361] (Score:2, Insightful) 02Think before you speak - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 561 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:44:37] <exec> 08└─"If you are going to buy a gun for your home, it's not a decision you should be making at three in the morning because you are watching TV." ...yes it is. Especially if you've been waiting for it to be sold at a price you can pay. Purchasing isn't the problem. Responsibility is. And we're a society...
[19:44:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Re:Think before you speak - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 192 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:44:38] <exec> 08└─Have you ever known TV shopping to actually sell something valuable rather than a pile of tat? QVC et al are crap, just because they're selling your favourite item doesn't make them less crap.
[19:44:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Fishscene [4361] (Score:1) 02Re:Think before you speak - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 481 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:44:40] <exec> 08└─lol. I've seen a few good items on back in my youth. But does that mean we should banish 24-hour shopping channels because people can't make informed decisions at 3am (sorry all you late-night shift people!) or is this a problem because *guns!*? I agree purchasing a gun isn't something one should do...
[19:44:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03edIII [791] (Score:2) 02Re:Think before you speak - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:44:42] <exec> 08└─The price (at least in the USA), if anything, enforces the idea that purchasing a firearm isn't a casual decision.
[19:44:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score:2) 02I fail to see the problem - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 196 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:44:44] <exec> 08└─To buy a gun you have to go through a federal background check. What difference does it make if you get the gun from a gun store, a department store, a home shopping channel, or a vending machine?
[19:44:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:I fail to see the problem - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 481 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:44:46] <exec> 08└─It makes no difference, except in that it reflects our terribly broken culture where a gun is an impulse acquisition. Say what you want on the nuances of when taking a life is justified and the power to do so sometimes being necessary, there's something incredibly, mind-numbingly crass about blind m...
[19:44:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score:2) 02Re:I fail to see the problem - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 345 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:44:47] <exec> 08└─Horse hockey. Cheap handguns are $150 on up, a good revolver $350, things go up from there. That isn't quite an impulse buy. As someone else has already said, the people buying off this channel have been thinking about it for a long time, have a short list of what they want, and the "impulse" is the...
[19:44:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03CoolHand [438] (Score:2) 02Re:I fail to see the problem - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 159 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:44:49] <exec> 08└─I agree.. I doubt there would be a lot of "impulse buys" for guns.. Although maybe there would be for ammo and some of the other items they talk about selling.
[19:44:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Re:I fail to see the problem - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:44:51] <exec> 08└─Depends how poor you are. $150 is a half-decent bottle of wine, not exactly a large cost.
[19:44:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:I fail to see the problem - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 297 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:44:53] <exec> 08└─I understand that justification and it's outright bullshit. Someone with a shortlist like that isn't going to be watching TV for hours straight to find their target toy. The internet has that approach completely beat. This is for idiots with more money than sense just like QVC is and you know it.
[19:44:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02tough call - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 257 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:44:55] <exec> 08└─Critics suggest that Gun TV could make the decision to purchase a weapon seem trivial—on the same level as ordering a Snuggie or a vertical egg cooker. Hey now, I resent that! I put a lot of thought into my decision to buy that vertical egg cooker.
[19:44:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02pfft - 06Overstock to Issue Shares on the Bitcoin Blockchain - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:44:59] <exec> 08└─I stopped buying from O a long time ago after wasting my time with their broken electronics.
[19:45:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03fadrian [3194] (Score:2) 02Re:Indirect? - 06David Miranda Appeals Heathrow Detention Decision - 300 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:45:10] <exec> 08└─It's not direct because Glenn Greenwald was the actual reporter. Miranda was simply carrying information for him. If it was Greenwald who was stopped, then it would be direct interference (at least that's my take on what they're saying). That being said, stopping Miranda was a bad thing, regardless.
[19:45:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:My current practices - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 115 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:45:43] <exec> 08└─I wouldn't even feed that crap to my pets. It was the Costco canned salmon, whatever brand it was I don't remember.
[19:46:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03CoolHand [438] (Score:2) 02Re:not only illegal immigrants - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 115 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:46:27] <exec> 08└─both the legimate and illegitimate Hispanic populations are; a) growing, and b) typical lean towards the Democrats.
[19:46:30] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03scruffybeard [533] 02Re:3/5ths precedent - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 175 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:46:31] <exec> 08└─In my view, the 3/5ths clause is the strongest argument that demonstrates that the framers had intended that all people should be counted, regardless of their ability to vote.
[19:46:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:3/5ths precedent - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 26 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:46:37] <exec> 08└─explicitly included slaves
[19:48:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheRaven [270] (Score:2) 02Re:It's pretty simple - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:48:17] <exec> 08└─I know because I'm the jerk at the call center that provides the proof, which is never believed, is never good enough, that the page did go out.
[19:48:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Everything is getting more expensive - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 184 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:48:34] <exec> 08└─"Now, there are rumors that the company might remove that $250/week because of "the economic times". " Tell them that you must now demand twice the pay because of "the economic times."
[19:49:14] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03iamjacksusername [1479] 023rd hand rumour - 06Captain James Kirk Takes US Navy's First Stealth Destroyer Out for Sea Trials - 463 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:49:14] <exec> 08└─Captain Kirk is a well regarded Naval officer; command of the Zumwalt is a high profile assignment and evidence of that. If this goes assignment well, his next assignment will likely be the as-yet unnamed next Ford-class carrier.... which will likely be named Enterprise given that the previous Enter...
[19:51:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02If you never tried a roguelike - 06Nethack 3.6 Released After Only 12 Years - 58 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:51:33] <exec> 08└─Drop anything and everything you're doing and try one now!
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[20:44:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Vanderhoth [61] (Score:2) 02Re:I fail to see the problem - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 671 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:44:53] <exec> 08└─"half-decent"? $150 is several damn good bottles of wine if you're not just collecting it to gather dust in a wine cellar. If you're poor, you can buy boxed wine for less than $20, $150 keeps me in wine for several weeks... Mostly because I make my own though. I have no comment or opinion on guns, b...
[20:44:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03jdavidb [5690] (Score:2) 02Re:I fail to see the problem - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 115 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:44:55] <exec> 08└─Even if they haven't been, what's deeply broken about our culture is the way we all judge other people's decisions.
[20:44:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score:2) 02Re:I fail to see the problem - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 587 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:44:57] <exec> 08└─On what other criteria besides decisions is it even remotely appropriate to judge people? Judging people on what they choose to do is probably the most honest and fair way to go about the very necessary process. Certain kinds of choices merit different amounts of judgement, say, what you eat versus...
[20:44:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Tramii [920] (Score:2) 02Re:I fail to see the problem - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 82 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:44:58] <exec> 08└─... it reflects our terribly broken culture where a gun is an impulse acquisition.
[20:45:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score:2) 02Re:I fail to see the problem - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 2119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:45:00] <exec> 08└─What kinda deluded paranoid world do you live in where "Say what you want on the nuances of when taking a life is justified and the power to do so sometimes being necessary" means "equate owning a gun with killing someone". I was totally clear on that distinction, and you still went "waaaaaaaaaaah n...
[20:45:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score:2) 02Re:I fail to see the problem - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:45:02] <exec> 08└─Somehow I suspect that anyone watching this channel isn't about to make their first firearm purchase. Just sayin'.
[20:45:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score:2) 02Re:I fail to see the problem - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 672 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:45:04] <exec> 08└─I would readily agree, except that that's a broad generalization, and nothing dealing with large populations is ever quite that clean cut. Some people will be acquiring their first firearm that way. The channel almost certainly depends more on the people you describe for revenue, but I'd be quite co...
[20:45:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02interesting - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 806 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:45:06] <exec> 08└─I find it interesting. Interesting in the fact they think they can have a 24/7 roll of that sort of thing. The 24/7 shopping channels I sorta get. As you can veg out and watch it. But this seems rather one one product type line. Perhaps it will just end up being something like 'cabelas' or something...
[20:45:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03dyingtolive [952] (Score:1, Flamebait) 02Re:interesting - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 93 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:45:08] <exec> 08└─I don't think the people propping up this market are the most intelligent or coherent people.
[20:45:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score:3, Interesting) 02WTF? - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 125 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:45:10] <exec> 08└─"Buying a gun is a serious decision," says Laura Cutilletta, senior staff attorney at the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence.
[20:45:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03RamiK [1813] (Score:2) 02Guns, guns, guns! - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:45:12] <exec> 08└─"Let's just get this out of the way - yes, most of my merchandise was ripped from the hands of dead adventurers." - Marcus Kincaid (Bruce DuBose, Borderlands)
[20:45:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:the War for Liberty - 06David Miranda Appeals Heathrow Detention Decision - 891 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:45:31] <exec> 08└─Meantime, the US mania to tote firearms around is a step back. It was actually kinda clever the way they wrote it. They had a horrible problem at first in the revolution. The militia was woefully under armed and under trained. The militia could not be counted on in a real fight. If it were not for t...
[20:45:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:where can i book a seat? - 06U.S. Spy Plane Deploys to Singapore Amid South China Sea Tensions - 287 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:45:49] <exec> 08└─It's always about the oil. No one gave two shits about the Spratlys before, until someone noticed that there might be oil there. Geographically speaking the islands are closest to the Philippines, and China is way, way far from them, but they're also the biggest boys in that playground.
[20:46:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03black6host [3827] (Score:2) 02Re:My current practices - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 198 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:46:04] <exec> 08└─Sorry, I can't answer your question. But I can tell you we don't have to worry about sell-by dates on the beer in *my* house :) And some beers have bottled on dates. I haven't checked them all. Yet.
[20:46:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03captain normal [2205] (Score:2) 02Re:Ultra Locavore - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:46:07] <exec> 08└─Have you priced "40 acres and a mule" these days? People living in a city usually don't have much of an option to grow your own.
[20:46:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03edIII [791] (Score:4, Informative) 02Re:Ultra Locavore - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 2709 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:46:09] <exec> 08└─Farmers Markets, Chickens, Rabbits, and Gardens, FTW. Progressively, we cannot trust our grocery stores (or businesses in general) with our food quality anymore. I look for the non-GMO branding label and for it to be organic (read: no man-made chemical products). Keeping out the GMO will keep me hea...
[20:46:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nerdfest [80] (Score:2) 02Re:Not a citizen - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:46:25] <exec> 08└─I think you're misreading my comment; I'm explicitly not advocating violence.
[20:46:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Re:Not a citizen - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 487 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:46:26] <exec> 08└─OP: if my government were to ask, I would be willing to plant some terroristic bombs in the WTO offices You: Not that I agree with, condone, or encourage that sort of action, but in this case the difference is that it would be better for pretty much everyone on the planet Me: It would not be of bene...
[20:46:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03krishnoid [1156] (Score:2) 02He was right, I suppose - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 105 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:46:37] <exec> 08└─[Obama] said: "They're making this stuff up. No trade agreement is going to force us to change our laws."
[20:46:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Another Reganist nitwit - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 196 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:46:52] <exec> 08└─If you say "Government is the problem", get yourself elected, then (once inside government) do everything you can to wreck government, the problem is -not- government. The problem is YOU. -- gewg_
[20:46:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03curunir_wolf [4772] (Score:2) 02Re:not only illegal immigrants - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 66 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:46:54] <exec> 08└─Maybe they should compromise and only count 3/5 of each illegal...
[20:46:55] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] 02Re:not only illegal immigrants - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 101 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:46:56] <exec> 08└─What about felonious children who also happen to be illegal immigrants? Won't somebody think of them?
[20:47:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03curunir_wolf [4772] (Score:2) 02Re:3/5ths precedent - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 692 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:47:06] <exec> 08└─That was superceded by the Fourteenth Amendment: But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice-President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is den...
[20:47:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Sad day - 06Mozilla to Cease Development of Firefox OS - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:47:50] <exec> 08└─Why does the submitter say that Mozilla is somehow struggling?
[20:48:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Hyperturtle [2824] (Score:2) 02google cloudination - 06Google Fiber Mulls Los Angeles, Chicago Expansion - 796 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:48:06] <exec> 08└─Does this service require an actively used login to google's software services? Comcast does not, if one is just demanding plain internet from them. There's an online account one can use, but it's not necessary aside from tying the account billing to a single ID that doesnt even need to be accessed...
[20:51:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Best practices - 06Stonehenge May Have Been First Erected in Wales - 221 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:51:08] <exec> 08└─That makes sense - quarry, test-fit nearby and then ship. People back then were just as smart as us, quite possibly a lot smarter than us. We are a lazy generation and prefer to have a smartphone than to be a smartperson.
[20:51:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03BrockDockdale [5983] (Score:1) 02Misread Headline - 06Stonehenge May Have Been First Erected in Wales - 71 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:51:09] <exec> 08└─"Stonehenge May Have Been First Erected by Whales" I wanted to believe!
[20:52:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03BrockDockdale [5983] (Score:1) 02Mental Note - 06Anti-Piracy Law Firm Johan Schlüter Bilked Entertainment Industry Out of $25m - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:52:28] <exec> 08└─This is the example you bring up next time somebody claims fighting piracy is about making sure "the artists" get paid and get their fair share.
[20:54:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Ah do you remember those days of yore - 06DailyMotion Hit by Malvertising Attack Using the Angler Exploit Kit - 68 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:54:06] <exec> 08└─No, I remember the days when malware would corrupt your file system.
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[21:44:48] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03isostatic [365] 02Re:Think before you speak - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 326 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:44:48] <exec> 08└─Those people are just as dangerous in a world without guns. I see the argument that the cat is out of the bag and the prevailence of guns means, however to suggest that a mentally ill person with a knife is just as dangerous as a mentally ill person with a gun is beyond the realm of "stretching it a...
[21:44:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I fail to see the problem - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 44 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:44:55] <exec> 08└─Your taste in wine is like my taste in guns.
[21:44:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03jdavidb [5690] (Score:2) 02Re:I fail to see the problem - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 213 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:45:00] <exec> 08└─All, right, good points. I'll amend my thinking to "What's wrong with our culture is we feel we have the right to act on our judgment of other people's personal choices and prevent them from making those choices."
[21:45:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score:2) 02Re:I fail to see the problem - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 276 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:45:02] <exec> 08└─Yeah, and there's a line somewhere in there between being totalitarian and being being reasonable. And our fight here is that setting aside the 2nd amendment and its relationship to rule of law, I view limiting gun sales as more that latter and you view it as more the former.
[21:45:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I fail to see the problem - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 560 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:45:06] <exec> 08└─The problem is that there are a lot of people on the fence about buying guns who instantly convert to impulse-buyers everytime the gun-grabbers get loud and try to push stupid laws. Yeah, that's right, the gun-grabbers' hysteria is indirectly putting more guns in the hands of more people! And about...
[21:45:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03timbim [907] (Score:2) 02Re:WTF? - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:45:11] <exec> 08└─Maybe it's because we have the highest gun homicide rate of any developed nation. Our rate is 32 times that of Great Britain’s, for example.
[21:45:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score:2) 02Re:WTF? - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 1240 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:45:13] <exec> 08└─Meaningless to mention "gun homicide", obviously if guns are outlawed and a police state sufficiently oppressive to confiscate all firearms and enforce the ban on the law abiding exists, fewer people will be killed by guns. It is not logically valid to jump to a conclusion that will mean less murder...
[21:45:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:WTF? - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 140 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:45:15] <exec> 08└─A banner is a flag, or in this context, part of a web page. Try not to use confusing words. Not being a smartass; you literally confused me.
[21:45:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03tynin [2013] (Score:2) 02Re:Block-chain polution - 06Overstock to Issue Shares on the Bitcoin Blockchain - 263 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:45:24] <exec> 08└─Anyone here following talks with the bitcoin platform devs? What is there thoughts on this? Wasn't the staggering growth of the blockchain one of the primary concerns with the core of this technology? I've been out of the loop on btc dev politics for a while now.
[21:45:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snow [1601] (Score:2) 02Re:Block-chain polution - 06Overstock to Issue Shares on the Bitcoin Blockchain - 937 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:45:26] <exec> 08└─Yes, there is a lot of... different ideas.... about the size limitations of the blockchain (currently 1mb/block). There was a meeting in Hong Kong last weekend to discuss this issue, and a new idea was presented called 'Segregated Witness'. It's a new idea to me, so it hasn't fully sunk in, but from...
[21:45:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03BrockDockdale [5983] (Score:1) 02Re:Indirect? - 06David Miranda Appeals Heathrow Detention Decision - 17 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:45:39] <exec> 08└─Don't tempt them!
[21:45:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:2) 02Re:They knew he wasn't a terrorist. - 06David Miranda Appeals Heathrow Detention Decision - 490 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:45:41] <exec> 08└─Actually, they did think he was a terrorist, because their definition of a terrorism includes spreading information about the unsavory activities of Western governments. As in, they consider folks like Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden at least as dangerous as Osama bin Laden was. When videos like...
[21:46:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03BrockDockdale [5983] (Score:1) 02SHHHHH - 06U.S. Spy Plane Deploys to Singapore Amid South China Sea Tensions - 134 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:46:04] <exec> 08└─Hey all you millions reading about this all over the whole internet, whatever you do, DON'T TELL ANYBODY ABOUT THE SPY PLANE, OK!!?!?!
[21:47:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02How would that work in North Dakota? - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 223 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:47:46] <exec> 08└─There is no voter registration in North Dakota. You show up, sign the roll beside your name (they already know who is in the state, who is over 18, and where everyone lives), and you cast your vote. Very civilized. -- gewg_
[21:47:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02''Middle class" - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 789 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:47:52] <exec> 08└─There is no such thing as the Middle Class. It's an invention of Lamestream Media. It's just 2 marks arbitrarily drawn on a graph. No 2 people agree where the marks go. The term is useless. There are only 2 classes: 1) People who have to supply labor to earn a living 2) People who make money from mo...
[21:47:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:No Taxation Without Representation - 06One Person One Vote? Or One Voter One Vote? - 286 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:47:54] <exec> 08└─Yes, Taxes are not citizenship. But citizenship doesn't have to be a requirement. If you are in the US you are covered by US laws and taxes, and should therefore be represented. Living in the US, paying taxes, being a citizen. If you can tick two of those you should be allowed to vote.
[21:48:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Hyperturtle [2824] (Score:2) 02Re:You're a sucker - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 708 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:48:35] <exec> 08└─It's also possible that management never thought of how inconveniencing the on-call is, because they have rationalized about it since their initial need. THEY are not who is inconvenienced. When preparing to leave, it is not a bad idea to at least inform the employer as to why it is is something lik...
[21:48:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Hairyfeet [75] (Score:2) 02Re:You're a sucker - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 881 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:48:36] <exec> 08└─NO that is a very VERY bad idea and here is why...most of these bastards are MBAs, Masters of Being Assholes, and will fire his ass the second they find out he is looking for another job. When a corp gets to the point they expect you to do significant work for free? They ALREADY do not consider you...
[21:49:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03BK [4868] (Score:2) 02Re:Contract? - 06Ask Soylent: Are There Standard Practices for on Call Work? - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:49:18] <exec> 08└─So... You don't actually know what a social contract is then. Shame.
[21:49:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03RamiK [1813] (Score:2) 02Re:nothing about - 06A Look at AMD's GPU Plans for 2016 - 87 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:49:31] <exec> 08└─that's always been more of an issue with the panels and interfaces, not the processing.
[21:49:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Hyperturtle [2824] (Score:2) 02Re:drivers? - 06A Look at AMD's GPU Plans for 2016 - 1434 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:49:34] <exec> 08└─As of this writing, the acronym "GCN" is not listed in the original posting of the article, nor in conversation. It is only in your quote and link. What is GCN? (It's the "Graphics Core Next" generation of hardware... starting with the previous generation that included the R9-2xx series). I have two...
[21:50:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:2) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 1732 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:50:38] <exec> 08└─DeathMonkey, I'm not saying that change is easy. What I am saying is that expecting change through established channels that have been fully co-opted is foolish. I gave the greater part of my early 20's and early 30's to building an outside movement. I spent 16 hours a day, 7 days a week, for most o...
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[22:44:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03RamiK [1813] (Score:2) 02Anything established on in-house fiber? - 06Ethernet Switch Sales Flat, But 40 Gbps Sales Take Off - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:44:35] <exec> 08└─What cables to buy? What connectors? What switches? No? Well, that must be why people still deploy copper lines.
[22:44:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02What cables to buy? - 06Ethernet Switch Sales Flat, But 40 Gbps Sales Take Off - 6 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:44:36] <exec> 08└─SFP+ ?
[22:44:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03RamiK [1813] (Score:2) 02Re:What cables to buy? - 06Ethernet Switch Sales Flat, But 40 Gbps Sales Take Off - 153 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:44:39] <exec> 08└─Great example of the general confusion seeing as SPF+ is 16Gbps while the article discusses 40Gbps. * 10Gbps in practice but I'm not getting into that...
[22:44:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Hyperturtle [2824] (Score:2) 02Re:What cables to buy? - 06Ethernet Switch Sales Flat, But 40 Gbps Sales Take Off - 502 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:44:41] <exec> 08└─SFP+ I have seen is 5gbps; sometimes 10gbps, but if so it's usually proprietary to replace genuine stacking cables between switches in a stack or virtual chassis. And I do not endorse its use; it seems pretty shoddy to me. Perhaps its just been the cables and vendors I've seen pushed regarding its...
[22:44:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02We've mostly upgraded to 40 Gbps - 06Ethernet Switch Sales Flat, But 40 Gbps Sales Take Off - 165 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:44:42] <exec> 08└─in our data centers, said one CIO to another in the corporate box on the 17th green at Augusta National, as Rory McIlroy prepared his approach shot from the fairway.
[22:44:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Kushan [5709] (Score:1) 02Lack of innovation... - 06Ethernet Switch Sales Flat, But 40 Gbps Sales Take Off - 386 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:44:44] <exec> 08└─Hardly surprising, gigabit has been around for long enough that no doubt the market is saturated and there's just not enough push on 10GigE or above for anything other than datacentres. If you want the market to grow, start pushing the technology down to offices and businesses. We'd have installed 1...
[22:44:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Hyperturtle [2824] (Score:2) 02Re:Lack of innovation... - 06Ethernet Switch Sales Flat, But 40 Gbps Sales Take Off - 1446 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:44:46] <exec> 08└─Comcast has a 2gb offering, and the little * in the pricing indicates that customers are on the hook for paying for the 10gige fiber switch to connect to them, and to provide a way to take that 2gbps delivered on 10gig and to break it up into a way they can use it, because two 1gigs are not provided...
[22:44:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03opinionated_science [4031] (Score:2) 02SC15, terabits.... - 06Ethernet Switch Sales Flat, But 40 Gbps Sales Take Off - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:44:48] <exec> 08└─At SC15 this year they were talking about Terabit ethernet!!! I'd be happy with anything better than 10Mbs right now...
[22:44:56] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Fishscene [4361] 02Think before you speak - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 561 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:44:57] <exec> 08└─"If you are going to buy a gun for your home, it's not a decision you should be making at three in the morning because you are watching TV." ...yes it is. Especially if you've been waiting for it to be sold at a price you can pay. Purchasing isn't the problem. Responsibility is. And we're a society...
[22:45:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score:2) 02Re:Think before you speak - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 234 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:45:02] <exec> 08└─I agree purchasing heroin* isn't something one should do casually, but let that be the fault of the buyer. Not the seller. The price (at least in the USA), if anything, enforces the idea that purchasing heroin isn't a casual decision.
[22:45:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Hairyfeet [75] (Score:2) 02Re:Think before you speak - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 582 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:45:04] <exec> 08└─Not to mention has everybody forgotten the OKC bombing? If a scumbag wants to kill a ton of people you literally need nothing more than fertilizer and diesel, things as common as dirt. As we have seen time and time again that the places where they have the tightest gun laws, so no law abiding citize...
[22:45:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03module0000 [5955] (Score:1) 02Re:I fail to see the problem - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 369 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:45:20] <exec> 08└─Is the background check a requirement for rifles as well now? I only ask because I've never had to deal with a background check for buying firearms, *except* when they were handguns. I think my most recent purchase was a 22 caliber rifle(a ruger 10-22), 7 years ago with no background check. That sai...
[22:45:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02overstock thing - 06Overstock to Issue Shares on the Bitcoin Blockchain - 88 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:45:42] <exec> 08└─https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overstock.com#Naked_short_selling_campaign [wikipedia.org]
[22:46:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03deadstick [5110] (Score:2) 02Re:spy plane? - 06U.S. Spy Plane Deploys to Singapore Amid South China Sea Tensions - 67 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:46:07] <exec> 08└─Hey, Boeing needed to keep that 737 line running somehow, didn't it
[22:46:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:spy plane? - 06U.S. Spy Plane Deploys to Singapore Amid South China Sea Tensions - 41 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:46:11] <exec> 08└─He was thinking of a Brazilian spy plane.
[22:46:39] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03edIII [791] 02Re:Ultra Locavore - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 2709 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:46:39] <exec> 08└─Farmers Markets, Chickens, Rabbits, and Gardens, FTW. Progressively, we cannot trust our grocery stores (or businesses in general) with our food quality anymore. I look for the non-GMO branding label and for it to be organic (read: no man-made chemical products). Keeping out the GMO will keep me hea...
[22:46:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Hairyfeet [75] (Score:2) 02Re:Ultra Locavore - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 967 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:46:40] <exec> 08└─LOL farmers markets...I take it you've never actually lived close to any of the farms that supply a lot of farmers markets, have ya? I have, I've been on those farms and...yeah sanitation? Not so good which is why they don't sell to the big chains but have to sell their products in farmers markets....
[22:50:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02All a bunch of comedians here eh - 06Captain James Kirk Takes US Navy's First Stealth Destroyer Out for Sea Trials - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:50:24] <exec> 08└─I bet Captain Kirk here has never heard any of these jokes. Yeah.
[22:50:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03pdfernhout [5984] (Score:1) 02Domhoff On Forming Egalitarian Democratic Clubs - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 4173 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:50:54] <exec> 08└─Thanks for the insightful informative post. Reminds me of G. William Domhoff on why third parties don't work in the USA: http://www2.ucsc.edu [ucsc.edu] "So what should egalitarian activists do in terms of future elections if and when the issues, circ...
[22:51:38] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03FunnyItWorkedLastTime [4713] 02Exterior decorator - 06Stonehenge May Have Been First Erected in Wales - 1118 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:51:38] <exec> 08└─Druid: A little to the left.. Hapless Worker: Urgh.. Druid: A little more.. Hapless Worker: *grunt* Druid: Forward a bit.. Hapless Worker: DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH THESE STONES WEIGH?! Druid: Stop whining, bit more to the left. Hapless Worker: We've already dragged these rocks 140 miles, are you sure th...
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[23:44:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03RamiK [1813] (Score:2) 02Re:What cables to buy? - 06Ethernet Switch Sales Flat, But 40 Gbps Sales Take Off - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:44:45] <exec> 08└─And I do not endorse its use; it seems pretty shoddy to me. Perhaps...
[23:44:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Anything established on in-house fiber? - 06Ethernet Switch Sales Flat, But 40 Gbps Sales Take Off - 230 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:44:46] <exec> 08└─In-house as in residential fiber? Why? Monitor your network usage. How often do you even go above 100mb let alone 1000mb? 1g copper will readily support a full household of 4k streaming internet addicts at a fraction of the price.
[23:44:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Lack of innovation... - 06Ethernet Switch Sales Flat, But 40 Gbps Sales Take Off - 266 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:44:51] <exec> 08└─I know that there are places where 10+ GigE is important, but most offices and businesses don't have a use for it that justifies the price. If you have 16 PCs running Excel and Word, you don't need data-center-level networking, and you sure don't need to pay for it.
[23:44:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:SC15, terabits.... - 06Ethernet Switch Sales Flat, But 40 Gbps Sales Take Off - 248 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:44:54] <exec> 08└─10 Mbps... I'm still fighting to get the office upgraded to gigabit. Small office - under 10 users, most of which wouldn't know a switch if I hit them in the head with one. Although I did get gigabit rolled out for my home network about a year ago.
[23:45:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Re:Think before you speak - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 317 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:45:13] <exec> 08└─Cite data please, before making such absurd claims. Pretty much the only countries which have worse gun violence than the US are ones which are at a state of civil unrest, where the rule of law has broken down. (And therefore any theoretical anti-gun statutes are simply irrelevant as *all of the law...
[23:45:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Re:I fail to see the problem - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 195 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:45:21] <exec> 08└─You're being ripped off. I can get a superb wine for less than 20e (e.g. a Priorat Anjoli). Please buy a fast car so you don't have to compensate in directions where I can tell you're full of it.
[23:45:24] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03ikanreed [3164] 02Re:I fail to see the problem - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 587 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:45:24] <exec> 08└─On what other criteria besides decisions is it even remotely appropriate to judge people? Judging people on what they choose to do is probably the most honest and fair way to go about the very necessary process. Certain kinds of choices merit different amounts of judgement, say, what you eat versus...
[23:45:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Re:I fail to see the problem - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 105 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:45:28] <exec> 08└─Brilliantly said. (yes, you get the +1 mod too, but I prefer the verbal agreement as it's not anonymous.)
[23:45:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Re:I fail to see the problem - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 261 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:45:30] <exec> 08└─> Cheap handguns are $150 on up It took less than a minute to find an SNS for less than $120 online. And I don't even know any cheap brand names to ease my search (SNS was enough, it seems). Local pawn shops, under the counter or no, can probably undercut that.
[23:45:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02Re:I fail to see the problem - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 215 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:45:32] <exec> 08└─I find myself arguing on the "anti-gun" side frequently. Not because I'm actually anti-gun, I'm a bit on the fence there, but because the arguments presented are always so specious. I find poor logic infuriating.
[23:45:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Re:I fail to see the problem - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:45:37] <exec> 08└─> To buy a gun you have to go through a federal background check False. Care to try a different line of argument?
[23:45:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03eof [5559] (Score:2) 02Re:WTF? - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 940 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:45:45] <exec> 08└─I think your reaction is over the top. I am only familiar with the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence from its web page, which I visited because of your post. Your characterization of them is not consistent with their stated purpose. They do not appear to be interested in banning all guns. Instead t...
[23:45:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Jiro [3176] (Score:2) 02Well - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 193 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:45:47] <exec> 08└─The channel's forthcoming debut might seem remarkably ill-timed, given recent shootings at a Planned Parenthood in Colorado Springs and at a social services center in San Bernardino, California
[23:45:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bogsnoticus [3982] (Score:2) 02To prove how much of a great idea this is..... - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:45:49] <exec> 08└─I'll just leave this here while I go and make some popcorn. [youtube.com]
[23:45:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Covalent [43] (Score:2) 02Someone has to say it - 06GunTV Aims to Premier 24-Hour Shopping Channel for Firearms - 18 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:45:51] <exec> 08└─PEW PEW MURKA!!!!!
[23:46:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:MH 370 - 06U.S. Spy Plane Deploys to Singapore Amid South China Sea Tensions - 232 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:46:42] <exec> 08└─You do realize that MH370 disappeared halfway between Australia and Antarctica, in the vastest middle of nowhere imaginable on this planet, right? Not near China, the Spratleys, Singapore, or anything else even remotely interesting?
[23:47:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02Re:Hoist by our own petard - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 258 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:47:05] <exec> 08└─I know that SCOTUS has confirmed that treaties have to meet the same burden as any other law, and that the Supreme Court can strike one down, but I wasn't aware that they had. Do you have a citation; I'd like to keep it handy next time the topic comes along.
[23:47:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Not a citizen - 06WTO Authorizes Over $1B in Sanctions Unless USA Guts Country-of-Origin Meat Labels - 41 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:47:24] <exec> 08└─He's doing it for a non-religious reason?
[23:48:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Hairyfeet [75] (Score:2) 02Re:Sad day - 06Mozilla to Cease Development of Firefox OS - 1547 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:48:44] <exec> 08└─Opera seems to stay pretty far behind the curve, have you tried using Comodo Dragon or Comodo Chromodo? Both of those are based on newer builds of chromium than Opera last I checked, with Chromodo being the bleeding edge build and Dragon being their stable branch, I've used both (currently using Chr...
[23:48:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03petecox [3228] (Score:1) 02Re:I love my FxOS phone - 06Mozilla to Cease Development of Firefox OS - 512 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:48:56] <exec> 08└─I'm a daily user of a Flame running a nightly. On decent hardware it runs acceptably but the OS will be tainted by reviews running on ill-specced 'developing world' devices - a strategy Mozilla abandoned some months back. I hope they keep a skeleton staff maintaining builds of the OS for Flame with...
[23:50:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Hyperturtle [2824] (Score:2) 02Re:nothing about - 06A Look at AMD's GPU Plans for 2016 - 1251 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:50:11] <exec> 08└─Yeah, I never understood various people's insistence about mhz numbers and transistor die count size in nm or whatever. Does it work and does it work well for me a as a consumer -- these are what I want to know. I pretend to think that ghz is ghz and can be compared between CPUs, but that has not be...
[23:50:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:drivers? - 06A Look at AMD's GPU Plans for 2016 - 302 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:50:15] <exec> 08└─I won't blame you for not knowing what GCN is, but I was merely adding the relevant information to the discussion, and the links were included so you can follow up if you need to know more. I think the driver issue is a little precious. Once the (old) card works, it won't need too many driver update...
[23:50:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:drivers? - 06A Look at AMD's GPU Plans for 2016 - 49 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:50:18] <exec> 08└─Cool anecdata. I mean, cool 10-year-old anecdata.
[23:50:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Hyperturtle [2824] (Score:2) 02Re:One overlooked issue - 06Captain James Kirk Takes US Navy's First Stealth Destroyer Out for Sea Trials - 132 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:50:46] <exec> 08└─I hope that guy isn't the one on-call when the ship has an outage. I wonder what the going rate is for wartime overtime comptime is?
[23:50:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Re:One overlooked issue - 06Captain James Kirk Takes US Navy's First Stealth Destroyer Out for Sea Trials - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:50:47] <exec> 08└─Well as long as he doesn't get into an argument with the captain, resign, taking his main technician with him, go to the pub, and let a 17 year old fix the ship.
[23:50:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Hyperturtle [2824] (Score:2) 02Re:stealth? - 06Captain James Kirk Takes US Navy's First Stealth Destroyer Out for Sea Trials - 446 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:50:56] <exec> 08└─I also wanted to state that they lost a big plane, out of the sky, and couldn't find it for well over a year, despite an international search for it. That MH370 or what have you. Big hunks of unshielded metal are easy to lose in the ocean. Making it stealthy may make hitting it with similar weaponry...
[23:51:12] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Anonymous Coward 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 174 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:51:12] <exec> 08└─I'm sorry. If you do not vote, you have no right to complain. You are part of the problem. Any vote... Libertarian, Green, write-in, is a victory against the current duopoly.
[23:51:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03edIII [791] (Score:2) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 3311 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:51:27] <exec> 08└─Uhhhh, okay. Don't leave out the best part, please. HOW? I would like to understand the exact process by which you believe that any vote leads towards positive change? Don't just vilify me and leave, you need to explain how voting can help us out of our current situation. My position, which you can...
[23:51:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Say Goodbye - 06Trump Advocates Closing Parts of the Internet; Obama and Clinton Renew War on Encryption - 326 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:51:35] <exec> 08└─I'm registered independent, and vote that way. What that does is lock me out of the primaries. I like Bernie. (rather, I dislike him less than Trump) But my vote very literally does not count if the GOP tosses Bernie. He won't be on the ballot, so I can't vote for him. I haven't seen a blank for a w...
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