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[08:00:12] <crutchy> hmm. is loggie supposed to be in here?
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[08:04:04] <crutchy> derp. forgot how to use the damn thing :/
[08:06:10] <chromas> ~op Loggie
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[08:06:12] <chromas> :D
[08:06:56] <crutchy> vm is a bit boggy. lappy prolly needs a reboot
[08:09:53] <chromas> it is kind of weird that Loggie's here. I guess if the main site goes down, people can still check the logs :D
[08:12:25] <crutchy> maybe it was to fill up the server diskspace to annoy tmb >;-D
[08:12:28] <dogfart> 08********** 03SOYLENTNEWS COMMENT FEED08 **********
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[08:14:33] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02Where's the beef? - 06The Dystopian Lake Filled by the World’s Tech Lust - 465 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:14:33] <dogfart> 08└─It's an interesting story, I guess, but it's so light on details that it's essentially meaningless. We have large tailings ponds here in the US. I've audited/visited truly massive steel industry sites that look like sets out of Mad Max. But, despite looks they meet their regulatory obligations. ...
[08:14:34] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Where's the beef? - 06The Dystopian Lake Filled by the World’s Tech Lust - 505 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:14:34] <dogfart> 08└─Mmhmm, sure, regulatory guidelines. The things that get flushed along with all the other waste. Just because the US has committed similar acts of environmental pollution does not make it OK. There have been many a scandle throughout the decades, that doesn't make the existence of such a large wastel...
[08:14:43] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Hairyfeet [75] (Score:2) 02Why they didn't merge? - 06AMD Launches Radeon Software Crimson Driver to Replace Catalyst - 1160 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:14:44] <dogfart> 08└─It seems like this post and mine on the end of the AMD VLIW cards support would have worked well as one article, this has links to the new Crimson and mine has the link to the Crimson beta which is the last driver that will be made for all the older VLIW AMD CPUs and APUs. I'm currently using both d...
[08:14:44] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Why they didn't merge? - 06AMD Launches Radeon Software Crimson Driver to Replace Catalyst - 380 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:14:45] <dogfart> 08└─Heh, and here I was becoming complacent and comfortable with the Community opensource drivers for AMD cards in Linux, content to live comfortably to the rear of the bleeding edge in graphic cards. I haven't worried about card compatibility problems for the last several linux releases. It must be ti...
[08:14:46] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:1, Offtopic) 02Sometime in the future? - 06AMD Launches Radeon Software Crimson Driver to Replace Catalyst - 506 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:14:47] <dogfart> 08└─Pay your tribute to your undead master, AMD! The Land of Redmond, where the shadows lie, will not let you get away with decent, free, unencumbered software to run your hardware by the likes of elves, or hobbits, or neckbeards. We are doomed, Micro$oft because it is what it is, and the rest of us, b...
[08:14:48] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Gravis [4596] (Score:2) 02hopefully it's well written... - 06AMD Launches Radeon Software Crimson Driver to Replace Catalyst - 38 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:14:49] <dogfart> 08└─so it's easier to reverse engineer. ;)
[08:14:54] <crutchy> floodctl++
[08:14:55] <dogfart> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Anonymous Coward 02Add that to the list of things - 06Russian Court has Ruled the Church of Scientology Should be Dissolved - 215 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:14:56] <dogfart> 08└─Russia does well: - chess - pure math - hot female tennis players - men's hockey - malware writers - defeating European conquerors by scorched earth tactics and a brutal winter - shutting down pseudo-religious scams
[08:14:57] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Insightful) 02Re:Add that to the list of things - 06Russian Court has Ruled the Church of Scientology Should be Dissolved - 1385 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:14:58] <dogfart> 08└─-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Well said. I am amazed every day that organizations such as Roman Catholic Church or Russian Orthodox Church are not approached with the same level of scrutiny. There's almost nothing charitable about their business, which is mainly brainwashing, and thr...
[08:14:59] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Offtopic) 02Re:Add that to the list of things - 06Russian Court has Ruled the Church of Scientology Should be Dissolved - 498 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:14:59] <dogfart> 08└─Feminists should be killed. >In the United States, as late as the 1880s most States set the minimum age at 10-12, (in Delaware it was 7 in 1895).[8] Inspired by the "Maiden Tribute" female reformers in the US initiated their own campaign[9] which petitioned legislators to raise the legal minimum age...
[08:15:00] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score:2, Touché) 02Re:Add that to the list of things - 06Russian Court has Ruled the Church of Scientology Should be Dissolved - 132 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:15:01] <dogfart> 08└─Oh hey, it's Fizzbuzz again! Hey, Fizzbuzz! I'm a feminist! Come kill me if you think you're hard enough! Love and kisses, Marissa 3
[08:15:02] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Offtopic) 02Re:Add that to the list of things - 06Russian Court has Ruled the Church of Scientology Should be Dissolved - 143 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:15:04] <dogfart> 08└─>Marissa 3 You'll never be as pretty or as sweet as a little girl. That is behind you forever. Ofcourse why you cunts banned men marrying them.
[08:15:05] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:3, Touché) 02Mormon and Latter Day Saints Trademarked - 06Russian Court has Ruled the Church of Scientology Should be Dissolved - 114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:15:06] <dogfart> 08└─According to this, Mormon, Latter Day Saints, etc. are all trademarked. [schwimmerlegal.com] Are they up next?
[08:15:07] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Mormon and Latter Day Saints Trademarked - 06Russian Court has Ruled the Church of Scientology Should be Dissolved - 308 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:15:08] <dogfart> 08└─Actually, hanging a religious pronouncement upon the presence or absence of a trademark registration seems a bit daft, even for the whimsy that passes for Russian Law. The court seems willing to overlook the terrorist stalker activities, but balks at the fact that they protected their name with a tr...
[08:15:09] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03moondoctor [2963] (Score:4, Funny) 02Re:Add that to the list of things - 06Russian Court has Ruled the Church of Scientology Should be Dissolved - 74 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:15:10] <dogfart> 08└─You forgot the almighty Russian dashcam and it's scenes of pure madness...
[08:15:10] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score:1, Funny) 02Forgive me - 06Russian Court has Ruled the Church of Scientology Should be Dissolved - 55 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:15:11] <dogfart> 08└─It had to be said: in Soviet Russia, SP suppresses YOU!
[08:15:12] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03stormwyrm [717] (Score:2) 02Religions and Trademarks - 06Russian Court has Ruled the Church of Scientology Should be Dissolved - 952 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:15:13] <dogfart> 08└─The Roman Catholic Church has no trademark to its name anywhere in the world. I could start my own Roman Catholic Church with that exact same name, but with completely different doctrines and rites, and the Pope would not sue me for trademark infringement. He would certainly pronounce me excommunica...
[08:15:14] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03wisnoskij [5149] (Score:2) 02Re:Religions and Trademarks - 06Russian Court has Ruled the Church of Scientology Should be Dissolved - 374 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:15:14] <dogfart> 08└─Well the Catholic Church existed for thousands of years where church law was secular law. And an excommunication carried with it a death penalty. They were able to build a powerbase with this. I do not think it is unfair to allow Scientology to protect their name like any other business. The Catholi...
[08:15:16] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03SpockLogic [2762] (Score:3, Touché) 02Re:Religions and Trademarks - 06Russian Court has Ruled the Church of Scientology Should be Dissolved - 137 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:15:17] <crutchy> filling_up_my_mysql_database_with_crap++
[08:15:17] <dogfart> 08└─Good for the Ruskies. They've done something right at last. Personally I lean towards Pastafarianism, the more pasta the less lean I get.
[08:15:18] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02Re:Religions and Trademarks - 06Russian Court has Ruled the Church of Scientology Should be Dissolved - 271 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:15:19] <dogfart> 08└─As a Pastafarian I am torn: On the one hand we have a fictional universal leader of non-human origin; who populates the earth with people; and eventually sets into motion a global catastrophic event (with explosions!). On the other hand, we've got a guy named Xenu.
[08:15:20] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Religions and Trademarks - 06Russian Court has Ruled the Church of Scientology Should be Dissolved - 227 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:15:21] <dogfart> 08└─The mormons hold a trademark on The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints [trademarkia.com] The adventists hold a trademark on Adventist [trademarkia.com] and General Conference of Seventh-Day Adventists [trademarkia.com]
[08:15:22] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Religions and Trademarks - 06Russian Court has Ruled the Church of Scientology Should be Dissolved - 519 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:15:22] <dogfart> 08└─Mormonism is 19th Century Scientology. They were a bit late introducing the whole "Planet Kolob" thing, but that is why they are "Later" day saints. God knows what they are like at night. Conversely and apropos, Scientology is 20th Century Mormonism, but since fads have gone away from Seer Stones an...
[08:15:23] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Religions and Trademarks - 06Russian Court has Ruled the Church of Scientology Should be Dissolved - 209 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:15:24] <dogfart> 08└─> Mormonism is 19th Century Scientology. > "There's a sucker born every minute." L.Ron agreed, as did J.Smith. What evidence do you have that the LDS is charging adherents to progress in the path of salvation?
[08:15:25] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:Religions and Trademarks - 06Russian Court has Ruled the Church of Scientology Should be Dissolved - 836 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:15:27] <dogfart> 08└─Evidence? Church Doctrine! Tithing is a real thing with Mormons, more "ideal" with Catholics! So yes, they are charging. Of course, not quite on the "pay to know" schedule of the Scientologists, but if you do not go to Temple, well, need I say more? No "Special Underwear" for you, no celestial wiv...
[08:15:28] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Religions and Trademarks - 06Russian Court has Ruled the Church of Scientology Should be Dissolved - 430 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:15:28] <dogfart> 08└─Come on man. Mormons tithe the same amount as catholics - 10%. And in neither case is tithing about paying to progress spiritually. > It is not that I want religious people to feel unwelcome here on SoylentNews, it is just that I want them to feel stupid. I'm an athiest, but it doesn't take religion...
[08:15:29] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:Religions and Trademarks - 06Russian Court has Ruled the Church of Scientology Should be Dissolved - 1018 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:15:30] <dogfart> 08└─Catholics are supposed to tithe. they do not, by and large. Mormons are much better at tithing, because of the consequences of not doing so. Of course, one result of this is that Mormon social support services, if you are a Mormon, are much better than what Catholics provide. But then again, Catholi...
[08:15:31] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03mendax [2840] (Score:2) 02Re:Religions and Trademarks - 06Russian Court has Ruled the Church of Scientology Should be Dissolved - 749 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:15:32] <dogfart> 08└─As I recall, Mark Twain called Mormonism a combination of Christian and Freemasonry, but I can't find the quotation. However, he did say this: The Book of Mormon, engraved upon metal plates, was dug up out of the ground in some out-of-the-way corner of Canada by Joseph Smith, a man of no repute and...
[08:15:32] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Religions and Trademarks - 06Russian Court has Ruled the Church of Scientology Should be Dissolved - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:15:33] <dogfart> 08└─The Roman Catholic Church has no trademark to its name anywhere in the world.
[08:15:34] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03wisnoskij [5149] (Score:2) 02What? - 06Russian Court has Ruled the Church of Scientology Should be Dissolved - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:15:35] <dogfart> 08└─What does a trademark have to do with if it is a religion or not.
[08:15:36] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:What? - 06Russian Court has Ruled the Church of Scientology Should be Dissolved - 53 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:15:37] <dogfart> 08└─Probably it was the easiest way to boot the nutcases.
[08:15:37] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03GungnirSniper [1671] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:What? - 06Russian Court has Ruled the Church of Scientology Should be Dissolved - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:15:38] <dogfart> 08└─It might have to do with the argument that the organization behind it is a profit-seeking enterprise, and one that only reveals its 'truths' to paying customers.
[08:15:39] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:What? - 06Russian Court has Ruled the Church of Scientology Should be Dissolved - 324 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:15:40] <dogfart> 08└─> What does a trademark have to do with if it is a religion or not. Agreed it is just a pretense. The reality is that Putin has co-opted the Russian Orthodox Church - that's what Pussy Riot was protesting that got them thrown in the gulag. No room for any other organized criminal religion in Russia...
[08:15:41] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:2) 02Scientology as religion judgement never appealed - 06Russian Court has Ruled the Church of Scientology Should be Dissolved - 547 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:15:42] <dogfart> 08└─In my understanding, the court case that held that scientology is a religion only holds force of law in just one state. They were sued for practicing medicine without a license, as that lie detector gadget acts in a manner somewhat conceptually - CONCEPTUALLY NOW! - to clinical psychotherapy. Scient...
[08:15:43] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Dangerous? - 06New Technique Could Prevent Dangerous Biofilms On Catheters - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:15:43] <dogfart> 08└─How does it compare to lung or prostate cancer, heart disease, and road traffic accidents?
[08:15:44] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Dangerous? - 06New Technique Could Prevent Dangerous Biofilms On Catheters - 259 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:15:45] <dogfart> 08└─i'm not sure what your criteria for comparison is, but if you happened to go to the hospital because you had lung or prostate cancer, heart disease, or were in a road traffic accident, you run the risk of picking up a nosocomial (hospital-acquired) infection.
[08:15:46] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Dangerous? - 06New Technique Could Prevent Dangerous Biofilms On Catheters - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:15:47] <dogfart> 08└─Dangerous enough that it can kill you. If you want a list of leading causes of death, then just check Wikipedia.
[08:15:48] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Dangerous? - 06New Technique Could Prevent Dangerous Biofilms On Catheters - 114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:15:49] <dogfart> 08└─Don't worry about that rattlesnake bite. How many people do those kill each year? They must not be very dangerous.
[08:15:49] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02High chance of infection - 06New Technique Could Prevent Dangerous Biofilms On Catheters - 327 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:15:50] <dogfart> 08└─I went to a seminar on UTIs acquired from catheters and the infection rate is ridiculously high. IIRC the speaker said that if a catheter is in for more than five days, then a UTI is basically guaranteed as the rate is close to 100%. I don't remember S. aureus being high up on the list of catheter-a...
[08:15:51] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03davester666 [155] (Score:2) 02Great title... - 06New Technique Could Prevent Dangerous Biofilms On Catheters - 234 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:15:52] <dogfart> 08└─I am really worried that someone will make a very misleading documentary about catheters, and was happy to learn that someone had invented a new technique that would prevent them, somehow. I was disappointed after reading the summary.
[08:15:53] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02We've already started down this path - 06China's Bold Push into Genetically Customized Animals - 365 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:15:54] <dogfart> 08└─We are already doing this in the U.S. extensively with crops. Why not livestock as well? I think as global human population continue to rise, genetically modified animals will essentially be necessary to continue feeding everyone. The U.S. needs get over their hang ups pretty quickly or else we risk...
[08:15:55] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:We've already started down this path - 06China's Bold Push into Genetically Customized Animals - 319 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:15:55] <dogfart> 08└─The US has far less hangups than does China in this regard. http://www.fda.gov [fda.gov] Why do I get the feeling that both you and the Chinese come down on the other side of this issue when the conversation...
[08:15:56] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:We've already started down this path - 06China's Bold Push into Genetically Customized Animals - 502 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:15:57] <dogfart> 08└─We should skip the "genetic revolution" all together and be decades ahead in growing tissue from scratch. We already do so for medical purposes. Imagine warehouses where delicious filet mignon is grown like sod. Acre sized slabs a foot thick fed from the top via nutrient spray and a waste water depo...
[08:15:58] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02It's the GOAT**2 - 06China's Bold Push into Genetically Customized Animals - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:15:59] <dogfart> 08└─Greatest Of All Time Goat
[08:16:00] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:3, Insightful) 02paralyzed by ethics - 06China's Bold Push into Genetically Customized Animals - 297 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:16:01] <dogfart> 08└─China is doing mad (cool) science. Meanwhile we get: Do We Need an Ethics of Self-organizing Tissue? [soylentnews.org] Mitochondrial DNA Manipulation and Ethics [soylentnews.org] Sex With Robots: the Debate [soylentnews.org] Should Human Stem Cells Be Used To Make Partly Human Chimeras? [npr.org]
[08:16:02] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Gravis [4596] (Score:2, Insightful) 02Re:paralyzed by ethics - 06China's Bold Push into Genetically Customized Animals - 248 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:16:02] <dogfart> 08└─it's all cool science... until you make it into the most devastating weapon. nuclear physics is cool... nuclear bombs, not so much. genetic engineering is cool... a dormant STD that makes group-of-people-someone-doesn't-like bleed out, not so much.
[08:16:03] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:paralyzed by ethics - 06China's Bold Push into Genetically Customized Animals - 348 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:16:04] <dogfart> 08└─I will side with the scientists, not the ethicists. Virtually all of the scientists in question follow some kind of ethical guidelines. Those that don't can be punished after the fact if necessary. Do not believe the scary engineered plague doomsday scenarios. They are overblown, and a little popula...
[08:16:05] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Gravis [4596] (Score:2) 02Re:paralyzed by ethics - 06China's Bold Push into Genetically Customized Animals - 82 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:16:06] <dogfart> 08└─Do not believe the scary engineered plague doomsday scenarios. They are overblown,
[08:16:07] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:paralyzed by ethics - 06China's Bold Push into Genetically Customized Animals - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:16:08] <dogfart> 08└─genocide, ineffective, by what measure? Certainly, in the US and Canada, it was rather effective...
[08:16:09] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:paralyzed by ethics - 06China's Bold Push into Genetically Customized Animals - 115 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:16:09] <dogfart> 08└─Ignore [affect]. Don't believe [affect] could happen. [affect] isn't as bad as it sounds. [affect] is a good thing.
[08:16:10] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:paralyzed by ethics - 06China's Bold Push into Genetically Customized Animals - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:16:11] <dogfart> 08└─Too bad everything I said is 100% true.
[08:16:12] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:paralyzed by ethics - 06China's Bold Push into Genetically Customized Animals - 862 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:16:13] <dogfart> 08└─> I will side with the scientists, not the ethicists. That is literally the scariest thing I've ever read on Soylent or Slashdot. At best it is staggeringly myopic. > Virtually all of the scientists in question follow some kind of ethical guidelines. Not all guidelines are created equal. You should...
[08:16:14] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:paralyzed by ethics - 06China's Bold Push into Genetically Customized Animals - 1196 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:16:15] <dogfart> 08└─Right, at least the Chinese haven't nuked anyone. About the atomic bombing of Hiroshima, Admiral William F. Halsey said [google.com] that "the first atomic bomb was an unnecessary experiment." Something called the Atomic Bomb Casualty Commission [wikipedia.org] was formed, to study the survivors. I...
[08:16:15] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03dyingtolive [952] (Score:2, Insightful) 02Re:paralyzed by ethics - 06China's Bold Push into Genetically Customized Animals - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:16:16] <dogfart> 08└─"Your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should."
[08:16:17] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Tork [3914] (Score:2) 02Re:paralyzed by ethics - 06China's Bold Push into Genetically Customized Animals - 246 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:16:18] <dogfart> 08└─You do know that that line was there just to hand-wave away why people smart enough to reincarnate dinos weren't quite bright enough to safely store them, right? "Life will find a way" is another one. Remeber "I know this system"...? Same thing.
[08:16:19] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:paralyzed by ethics - 06China's Bold Push into Genetically Customized Animals - 126 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:16:20] <dogfart> 08└─To ethicists and proponents of restricting science, Jurassic Park is a documentary film series, not blockbuster entertainment.
[08:16:21] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:paralyzed by ethics - 06China's Bold Push into Genetically Customized Animals - 253 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:16:21] <dogfart> 08└─Brilliance is a non-fungible resource. Being good at one thing does not make you good at another. I'd think computer scientists, engineers, and physicists would have learned their lesson when trying to find a mate in highschool, but arrogance dies hard.
[08:16:22] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02How very odd... - 06China's Bold Push into Genetically Customized Animals - 269 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:16:23] <dogfart> 08└─This from the same country that Bans US Beef since 2003 [beefmagazine.com], and Pork since 2009 [bloomberg.com] and Corn since 2014 [bloomberg.com] - since partially reversed, and Chickens [thepoultrysite.com] - due to avian flu which was transmitted to US from China).
[08:16:24] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:How very odd... - 06China's Bold Push into Genetically Customized Animals - 420 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:16:25] <dogfart> 08└─Haven't figured it out? China cares about China and nothing else. They will and do pollute the seas and air. They will and do poison both foreigners and their own people. They will and do bully other nations, break treaties, and do whatever else they believe they can get away with. In China's world...
[08:16:26] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03ksarka [2789] (Score:1) 02Re:How very odd... - 06China's Bold Push into Genetically Customized Animals - 36 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:16:27] <dogfart> 08└─:%s/China/United States of America/g
[08:16:28] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02After extensive online research..... - 06China's Bold Push into Genetically Customized Animals - 171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:16:29] <dogfart> 08└─I found the perp. http://images.clipartof.com [clipartof.com]
[08:16:29] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score:2) 02As usual, almost 100% content free - 06Imagination Technologies Launches Creator Ci40 Kickstarter - 383 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:16:30] <dogfart> 08└─Like most things of this nature, lots of marketing crap, almost no details outside the partner paywall. Lots of hints though. The RF chip would be the most interesting bit if it were both documented and unlocked but it is a safe bet it will be neither. I'd give even odds the main CPU will have a loc...
[08:16:31] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03novak [4683] (Score:2) 02Re:As usual, almost 100% content free - 06Imagination Technologies Launches Creator Ci40 Kickstarter - 390 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:16:32] <dogfart> 08└─And by the same company that brought you the PowerVR GPU series, renowned as having zero open source drivers whatsoever! Just because they advertise "openness" doesn't mean that they will deliver in the least. That said it looks like the Ci20, this thing's little brother, does have u-boot (https://g...
[08:16:33] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03tonyPick [1237] (Score:2) 02Re:As usual, almost 100% content free - 06Imagination Technologies Launches Creator Ci40 Kickstarter - 69 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:16:33] <dogfart> 08└─it looks like the Ci20, this thing's little brother, does have u-boot
[08:16:34] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Decker-Mage [5745] (Score:1) 02Re:As usual, almost 100% content free - 06Imagination Technologies Launches Creator Ci40 Kickstarter - 440 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:16:35] <dogfart> 08└─Definitely on the wait and see list since, some process totally nonobservable process, engineered capabilities are reduced to "We hope you don't remember that list we gave you for the Kickstarter just aren't there." If it should pan through, I'll kick the tires and probably buy one. I have an Intel...
[08:16:36] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score:2) 02Acronyms! - 06Imagination Technologies Launches Creator Ci40 Kickstarter - 116 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:16:37] <dogfart> 08└─Knowing what none of "IoT", "Ci40", or "Clicker" are... I'm guessing "IoT" = "Internet of Things"? Come on, editors.
[08:16:38] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Acronyms! - 06Imagination Technologies Launches Creator Ci40 Kickstarter - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:16:39] <dogfart> 08└─Especially when the initials of the company in question is "IT" and you're talking about "IoT".
[08:16:39] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Children, grab your chisels... - 06Expanding Hydroelectric to Supply America with New Power - 413 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:16:40] <dogfart> 08└─> without building a single new dam. I guess there are enough idiots out there to fall for the seemingly innocuous-looking wording... Dams are easy, right? drop some rock in a river and there you go, got yourself a dam. Oh, you mean you wanted hydro-power from it? Easy, just ask a giant sand worm to...
[08:16:41] <dogfart> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Anonymous Coward 02Re:Children, grab your chisels... - 06Expanding Hydroelectric to Supply America with New Power - 571 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:16:42] <dogfart> 08└─I've been aware of this potential for a while, saw a show on PBS about it a year or two ago. When they say that you don't need to build a single dam they aren't trying to minimize the financial costs. It is about minimizing the ecological costs. Building a dam changes the ecosystem of the river that...
[08:16:43] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:2, Informative) 02Re:Children, grab your chisels... - 06Expanding Hydroelectric to Supply America with New Power - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:16:44] <dogfart> 08└─I'm sure nobody downstream will notice.
[08:16:45] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02Re:Children, grab your chisels... - 06Expanding Hydroelectric to Supply America with New Power - 392 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:16:46] <dogfart> 08└─> More realistically, you'd have to drain the reservoir, divert water for years, and punch some holes in the dam (unless the dam is shorter than 10m from base, Most of the dams are quite small and out in the middle of nowhere. One of the biggest logistical problems with this proposal is getting the...
[08:16:46] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Children, grab your chisels... - 06Expanding Hydroelectric to Supply America with New Power - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:16:47] <dogfart> 08└─The dams are neither small nor "out in the middle of nowhere". They are all up and down the Mississippi, Illinois, and Ohio rivers, and they are huge [army.mil].
[08:16:48] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Children, grab your chisels... - 06Expanding Hydroelectric to Supply America with New Power - 87 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:16:49] <dogfart> 08└─There are 54,000 dams in the study. You are only talking about the 100 largest of them.
[08:16:50] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Children, grab your chisels... - 06Expanding Hydroelectric to Supply America with New Power - 500 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:16:51] <dogfart> 08└─The press release says that "the top ten sites alone have the potential to provide approximately 3 GW of generating capacity, while the top 100 sites together could potentially provide 8 GW [...]". For comparison, the Bruce Nuclear Generating Station [wikipedia.org] has 8 reactors with a capacity of...
[08:16:52] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Children, grab your chisels... - 06Expanding Hydroelectric to Supply America with New Power - 74 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:16:53] <dogfart> 08└─Thanks for quoting the report. What's your point? Or do you even have one?
[08:16:54] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Children, grab your chisels... - 06Expanding Hydroelectric to Supply America with New Power - 540 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:16:55] <dogfart> 08└─You don't have to drain the reservoir. Nor could you. These are RIVER dams. You simply build a coffer dam where you will be installing your intake gates, and run your piping (underground) around the existing dam to your turbine house down stream of the existing dam. You never touch the existing dam,...
[08:16:55] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Funny) 02Re:Children, grab your chisels... - 06Expanding Hydroelectric to Supply America with New Power - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:16:56] <dogfart> 08└─I'm sure nobody downstream will notice.
[08:16:57] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Children, grab your chisels... - 06Expanding Hydroelectric to Supply America with New Power - 1208 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:16:58] <dogfart> 08└─Did You missed the part of TFS about NOT building and new Dams? They expect to some how add power generation to navigational dams on the major rivers, while somehow preserving the shipping locks. These waterways handle a humongous amount of materials shipment, as well as grains, and freight. To do t...
[08:16:59] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Re:Children, grab your chisels... - 06Expanding Hydroelectric to Supply America with New Power - 346 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:17:00] <dogfart> 08└─Which was exactly my point. This country has over 50000 "structurally deficient" bridges. Why would anyone think it's even remotely possible to safely modify the existing dam infrastructure to add major elements affecting their very structure? Each dam is unique and needs years of studying and caref...
[08:17:00] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Children, grab your chisels... - 06Expanding Hydroelectric to Supply America with New Power - 122 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:17:01] <dogfart> 08└─As I pointed out elsewhere, in the vast majority of cases, you don't have to touch the original dam. You plum around them.
[08:17:02] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Re:Children, grab your chisels... - 06Expanding Hydroelectric to Supply America with New Power - 786 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:17:03] <dogfart> 08└─> You plum around them. "around" is the hard part. - Above relies on the structure of the dam - Under undermines the dam - On the left or right side can threaten the river bank/cliff stability or the dam stability, get delayed by the land owners suing, typically will run into roads if not h...
[08:17:04] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Children, grab your chisels... - 06Expanding Hydroelectric to Supply America with New Power - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:17:05] <dogfart> 08└─The sandworm would die from exposure to water.
[08:17:06] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03moondoctor [2963] (Score:3, Interesting) 02I'd buy that. - 06Expanding Hydroelectric to Supply America with New Power - 784 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:17:06] <dogfart> 08└─My uncle installs small turbines in old dams, and they generate a surprisingly large amount of electricity. Water is powerful when you've got a lot of it and let it flow. We've all seen the videos of cars being washed away by water only a foot deep. There are a lot of dams and millponds (the bigger...
[08:17:07] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03moondoctor [2963] (Score:2) 02micro hydro - 06Expanding Hydroelectric to Supply America with New Power - 597 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:17:08] <dogfart> 08└─https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_hydro [wikipedia.org] I was amazed by how simple, clean and low impact micro-hydro installations are. Seen a half dozen or so sites, lots of different styles. From fancy clean designer-style concrete pour with a turbine house nicer than most garages to a cave with...
[08:17:09] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:micro hydro - 06Expanding Hydroelectric to Supply America with New Power - 630 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:17:10] <dogfart> 08└─The problem with lots of microhydro is that the engineering is haphazard at best. Sure they manage to put in a pipe, small turbine, and a generator. They even cobble together a little dam to even out the flow. Until it washes out, takes out the hillside, and leaves a gully. Water is heavy, and if yo...
[08:17:11] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03frink [461] (Score:0, Troll) 02Re:I'd buy that. - 06Expanding Hydroelectric to Supply America with New Power - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:17:12] <dogfart> 08└─Let me guess. You uncle is from Nigeria and has a lot of money to transfer out of the country, money made form installing small turbines into dams...?
[08:17:13] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02I thought it was the other way around - 06Europe Didn't Get Syphilis From The New World - 120 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:17:13] <dogfart> 08└─The Europeans' biggest military weapon against Native Americans was spreading disease, either by accident or on purpose.
[08:17:14] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score:2) 02Re:I thought it was the other way around - 06Europe Didn't Get Syphilis From The New World - 256 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:17:15] <dogfart> 08└─Right, and for a long time scientists thought that wasn't a 1 way street, that some diseases came from the Americas to europe, but they weren't as virulent as, say, smallpox or measles with syphilis being the most notable example. This paper contests that.
[08:17:16] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03wisnoskij [5149] (Score:2) 02Re:I thought it was the other way around - 06Europe Didn't Get Syphilis From The New World - 244 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:17:17] <dogfart> 08└─Europeans succeeded in colonizing America because of the effectiveness of accidental transmission (which happened before colonization). But it was never weaponized, and there is no evidence that a single Indian was ever intentionality infected.
[08:17:18] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03CoolHand [438] (Score:2) 02Re:I thought it was the other way around - 06Europe Didn't Get Syphilis From The New World - 460 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:17:19] <dogfart> 08└─Reaallly???? A lot of "evidence" may have not survived the centuries, but a lot of scholars disagree... (even though some stories have in fact been discredited) http://www.history.org [history.org] http://academic.udayton.edu
[08:17:20] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:I thought it was the other way around - 06Europe Didn't Get Syphilis From The New World - 684 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:17:21] <dogfart> 08└─Respect to Armelagos and his team for this statement: ""The origin of syphilis is a fascinating, compelling question," Zuckerman says. "The current evidence is pretty definitive, but we shouldn't close the book and say we're done with the subject. The great thing about science is constantly being ab...
[08:17:21] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03wisnoskij [5149] (Score:2) 02Re:I thought it was the other way around - 06Europe Didn't Get Syphilis From The New World - 189 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:17:22] <dogfart> 08└─Yes, but they knew so little about diseases back then, they did not actually get it right https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org]
[08:17:23] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I thought it was the other way around - 06Europe Didn't Get Syphilis From The New World - 409 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:17:24] <dogfart> 08└─However, in order to do biological warfare correctly you have to know what you're doing. It wasn't until the time of Louis Pasteur that anyone really understood the true nature of diseases like those. Until then most of the world still largely believed that diseases were caused by evil spirits or di...
[08:17:26] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:3, Informative) 02The trouble with unfounded assertions - 06Europe Didn't Get Syphilis From The New World - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:17:27] <dogfart> 08└─Europe Didn't Get Syphilis From The New World
[08:17:29] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The trouble with unfounded assertions - 06Europe Didn't Get Syphilis From The New World - 181 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:17:31] <dogfart> 08└─The conclusion that if it was found in the early 1400 that it didn't come from the new world is also false. Remember people Vikings came and went first. Many many years before 1400.
[08:17:32] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03wisnoskij [5149] (Score:2) 021 Year? - 06Europe Didn't Get Syphilis From The New World - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:17:34] <dogfart> 08└─Is one year even enough time for Syphilis to go from one person to epidemic levels?
[08:17:36] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03inertnet [4071] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:1 Year? - 06Europe Didn't Get Syphilis From The New World - 316 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:17:37] <dogfart> 08└─What if the Vikings brought it to Europe some centuries earlier? Still, Austra is nowhere near any harbors, so it's not a very likely route anyway. I assume there's no evidence like this from ancient American skeletons? If this is the oldest evidence worldwide then it's more logical to assume an eas...
[08:17:39] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03captain normal [2205] (Score:2) 02Re:1 Year? - 06Europe Didn't Get Syphilis From The New World - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:17:41] <dogfart> 08└─Perhaps the Italians during the Renaissance were a lot more liberated sexually than we might imagine.
[08:17:42] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Reziac [2489] (Score:2) 02Re:1 Year? - 06Europe Didn't Get Syphilis From The New World - 451 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:17:43] <dogfart> 08└─Yes, given that infection can happen from as few as 57 organisms, there's a relatively high risk of infection from any contact, and that infection can be silent or have very delayed initial symptoms. So it takes very little contact to infect and it can spread far and wide before symptoms frighten pe...
[08:17:44] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02The vikings could've brought it though - 06Europe Didn't Get Syphilis From The New World - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:17:45] <dogfart> 08└─They were over there prior to columbus.
[08:17:46] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Reziac [2489] (Score:2) 02Re:The vikings could've brought it though - 06Europe Didn't Get Syphilis From The New World - 79 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:17:47] <dogfart> 08└─In which case it would have spread from north to south, instead of the reverse.
[08:17:47] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03HiThere [866] (Score:2) 02Now study skeletons from the Americas - 06Europe Didn't Get Syphilis From The New World - 1175 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:17:48] <dogfart> 08└─Was Syphillis present in the Americas prior to Columbus? What about prior to the Vikings? Reports are that there are lots of skeletons in Central America thanks to religion, so this should be checkable. If Syphillis wasn't present in the Americas, then it was another Euro-Asian import. If it was pre...
[08:17:49] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:2, Informative) 02Re:Now study skeletons from the Americas - 06Europe Didn't Get Syphilis From The New World - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:17:50] <dogfart> 08└─Was Syphillis present in the Americas prior to Columbus? What about prior to the Vikings?
[08:17:51] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03mendax [2840] (Score:2) 02Syphilis in Pompeii - 06Europe Didn't Get Syphilis From The New World - 198 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:17:52] <dogfart> 08└─A skeleton recovered in the ruins of Pompeii later analyzed by a specialist also showed the telltale signs of advanced syphilis. I suspect that more will be revealed on this subject in coming years.
[08:17:53] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Well, - 06Europe Didn't Get Syphilis From The New World - 16 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:17:53] <dogfart> 08└─don't look at me
[08:17:54] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02Isolated Cells - 06Scientists Use Proteins to Stimulate Skeletal Stem Cells - 545 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:17:55] <dogfart> 08└─Stem cells are particularly sensitive to their environment so the culturing conditions used heavily impact results. The group co-cultured the stem cells with stromal cells to better represent the physiological environment. Targeting a protein to a specific cell type is not an easy problem to solve a...
[08:17:56] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:4, Insightful) 02DAILY FAIL - 06The Science Hidden In Your Town Name - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:17:57] <dogfart> 08└─WARNING WARNING Daily mail link detected Please remove frontal lobe before continuing
[08:17:58] <dogfart> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Jaruzel [812] 02Re:DAILY FAIL - 06The Science Hidden In Your Town Name - 175 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:17:59] <dogfart> 08└─Daily Fail link notwithstanding, I live down the road from Pratts Bottom. In fact, en-route to it via a major road, one will see a sign that says: Badgers Mount Pratts Bottom
[08:18:00] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Re:DAILY FAIL - 06The Science Hidden In Your Town Name - 26 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:18:00] <dogfart> 08└─Is your name Roger Storer?
[08:18:01] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:DAILY FAIL - 06The Science Hidden In Your Town Name - 43 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:18:02] <dogfart> 08└─Is that anywhere near here [wikipedia.org]?
[08:18:03] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Hartree [195] (Score:4, Funny) 02Re:DAILY FAIL - 06The Science Hidden In Your Town Name - 118 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:18:04] <dogfart> 08└─"30 years of seeing it, and it still makes me smile :)" But does it make Pratt smile? (And do we really want to know?)
[08:18:05] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:2) 02Re:DAILY FAIL - 06The Science Hidden In Your Town Name - 149 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:18:06] <dogfart> 08└─What's wrong with Daily Mail? I'm only familiar with two UK papers, the Financial Times and The Guardian. The story itself seemed innocuous enough...
[08:18:06] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Interesting) 02Re:DAILY FAIL - 06The Science Hidden In Your Town Name - 1761 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:18:07] <dogfart> 08└─Where to begin?! It is a xenophobic, scandal-sheet that pretends it is a 'quality paper' for the masses. Its editorial policy during the 1930s was one of support for Hitler and Oswald Mosely's UK version, the British Union of Fascists (have a quick google) and it often feels not too far removed from...
[08:18:08] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:3, Funny) 02Re:DAILY FAIL - 06The Science Hidden In Your Town Name - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:18:09] <dogfart> 08└─What, no link to the debauched photos? THAT might be interesting . . .
[08:18:10] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Just Brits? - 06The Science Hidden In Your Town Name - 1595 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:18:11] <dogfart> 08└─That's all well and good for Brits - if they research a little bit, the name of their home towns tells them quite clearly that they can expect floods, and maybe other things. How about us, here in the Americas? Well, we have the Native Americans with a long history in this land, who might give us so...
[08:18:12] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Jaruzel [812] (Score:2) 02Re:Just Brits? - 06The Science Hidden In Your Town Name - 88 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:18:13] <dogfart> 08└─Tuscaloosa, "black warrior" - hmmmm, did Africans come to the Americas before Europeans?
[08:18:14] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0, Troll) 02Re:Just Brits? - 06The Science Hidden In Your Town Name - 240 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:18:14] <dogfart> 08└─One day an Indian boy asked his father why they have such long names? The dad answers, "Well son whenever a Indian baby is born the father would go outside and name the baby after the first thing he sees... Why do you ask Two Dogs Fucking?"
[08:18:15] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Just Brits? - 06The Science Hidden In Your Town Name - 882 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:18:16] <dogfart> 08└─Oh, I learnt that joke completely different in my primary school many decades ago... here goes... There's a tribe of Indians (Native Americans) that names their children like pp mentioned. When the three boys are 12 years old, they go for a talk with the medicine man who explains this sacred history...
[08:18:17] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:2) 02Overheard at a Gas Station in Ronan, Montana - 06The Science Hidden In Your Town Name - 285 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:18:18] <dogfart> 08└─Eastern City Slicker: "We just drove through Ninny Pippy National Wildlife Refuge. That's a beautiful area!" Gas Station Attendant: "What?" City Slicker: "Ni-nny Pi-ppy. The bird sanctuary outside town." Gas Station Attendant: "Oh. You mean, 'Ninepipe.'" Some Indian names, aren't. :-)
[08:18:19] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Just Brits? - 06The Science Hidden In Your Town Name - 1051 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:18:19] <dogfart> 08└─“The forest of Skund was indeed enchanted, which was nothing unusual on the Disc, and was also the only forest in the whole universe to be called -- in the local language -- Your Finger You Fool, which was the literal meaning of the word Skund. The reason for this is regrettably all too common. Wh...
[08:18:20] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Just Brits? - 06The Science Hidden In Your Town Name - 213 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:18:21] <dogfart> 08└─Probably how the Avon River got its name. Afon is Cymraeg (Welsh) for river. It's pretty easy to imagine a proto-Englishman asked a Britan what it was called and getting the common noun instead of the proper noun.
[08:18:22] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03HiThere [866] (Score:2) 02Re:Just Brits? - 06The Science Hidden In Your Town Name - 354 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:18:23] <dogfart> 08└─If I recall correctly there's a hill in Britain called hillhillhillhillhill hill, but with only the final hill in english. I forget what the others were, so I'll guess Pict, Welsh, Saxon, and Norse...but one of them could have been Cornish for all I really know. IOW, it's a pretty common way for peo...
[08:18:24] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Hartree [195] (Score:3, Interesting) 02D'oh: - 06The Science Hidden In Your Town Name - 296 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:18:25] <dogfart> 08└─Well, I live in the town of Homer. Obviously the 1700s era settlers who named it were referring to the large supply of donuts here and the proximity of nuclear power plants they could work at. (Actually, it's not named for the Greek author. A "homer" was 1700s slang for a good place for a home.)
[08:18:25] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03jdavidb [5690] (Score:4, Informative) 02Zmodem - 06Chuck Forsberg, Author of ZModem, Dead at 71 - 374 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:18:26] <dogfart> 08└─Thanks, Chuck. Back in 1996, ZModem was the only way I had to get stuff from my university shell account to my Mac LC III over my 33.6 modem. It was a great discovery, too; for a long time I did not know it was possible. Among other things, with ZModem I painstakingly transferred NetBSD floppy disks...
[08:18:27] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03CoolHand [438] (Score:2) 02Re:Zmodem - 06Chuck Forsberg, Author of ZModem, Dead at 71 - 68 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:18:28] <dogfart> 08└─Indeed.. Zmodem was always my favorite protocol... He has my thanks.
[08:18:29] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Zmodem - 06Chuck Forsberg, Author of ZModem, Dead at 71 - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:18:30] <dogfart> 08└─rz & sz forever! Also my first exposure to the concept of "sliding windows."
[08:18:31] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Cornwallis [359] (Score:1) 02Still Have It - 06Chuck Forsberg, Author of ZModem, Dead at 71 - 234 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:18:31] <dogfart> 08└─Chuck's Zmodem was the first shareware software I paid for in 1989 I believe it was. I still have that original 3.5" diskette and it still is readable and works. I was jazzed at how fast it was compared to Xmodem. I miss the BBS days.
[08:18:32] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score:2) 02Re:Still Have It - 06Chuck Forsberg, Author of ZModem, Dead at 71 - 146 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:18:33] <dogfart> 08└─I believe the diskette is readable, but how have you kept a floppy drive functioning all these years? So many had rubber belts in the mechanism...
[08:18:34] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:Still Have It - 06Chuck Forsberg, Author of ZModem, Dead at 71 - 195 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:18:35] <dogfart> 08└─I don't think In have seen rubber belts in any half-height floppy drives. The main spindle used a direct induction motor, and the dirve head uses a screw. There may be belts I over-looked though.
[08:18:36] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Cornwallis [359] (Score:1) 02Re:Still Have It - 06Chuck Forsberg, Author of ZModem, Dead at 71 - 229 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:18:36] <dogfart> 08└─I've got an old Toshiba USB external drive that works just fine - like this one: http://www.pccaweb.org [pccaweb.org] Many other models are available new for $20 or so...
[08:18:37] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03rob_on_earth [5485] (Score:2, Informative) 02BBS documentary - 06Chuck Forsberg, Author of ZModem, Dead at 71 - 246 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:18:38] <dogfart> 08└─BBS fans could do worse than check out this free 8 part documentary for free on the internet archive web site. I am pretty sure ZMODEM came up but I did watch it a couple of years ago. https://archive.org [archive.org]
[08:18:39] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Eulogies - 06Chuck Forsberg, Author of ZModem, Dead at 71 - 27 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:18:40] <dogfart> 08└─A day late, a dollar short.
[08:18:41] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Eulogies - 06Chuck Forsberg, Author of ZModem, Dead at 71 - 64 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:18:42] <dogfart> 08└─We'll make it up to Mr. Forsberg the next time he's in the news.
[08:18:42] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Hope someone has a mirror of the ftp site - 06Chuck Forsberg, Author of ZModem, Dead at 71 - 183 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:18:43] <dogfart> 08└─I found this out a few days ago. His heirs are selling the omen.com website, but in doing so they have killed the ftp site which had some stuff linked from the web page that I wanted.
[08:18:44] <crutchy> flood floody flood flood flood
[08:18:44] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Hope someone has a mirror of the ftp site - 06Chuck Forsberg, Author of ZModem, Dead at 71 - 212 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:18:45] <dogfart> 08└─but in doing so they have killed the ftp site Probably not... Sounds like the hardware went south too... The hardware that housed Chuck Forsberg's WWW.OMEN.COM site has crashed See http://www.omen.com [omen.com]
[08:18:46] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Freeman [732] (Score:0, Troll) 02Ahhh, yeah.., those were the good old days - 06Chuck Forsberg, Author of ZModem, Dead at 71 - 228 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:18:47] <dogfart> 08└─Not. Seriously, who would want to go back to dial-up? The thought shouldn't be for the extremely ancient and now useless tech that he invented back in the day. It's that without people like him we wouldn't be where we are today.
[08:18:48] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Touché) 02Re:Ahhh, yeah.., those were the good old days - 06Chuck Forsberg, Author of ZModem, Dead at 71 - 180 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:18:49] <dogfart> 08└─At least there were no pop-ads and screwball JavaScript making the screen ooze and dance all funny. Interfaces were lean and simple because ads and eye candy took too long to load.
[08:18:50] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Touché) 02Re:Ahhh, yeah.., those were the good old days - 06Chuck Forsberg, Author of ZModem, Dead at 71 - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:18:50] <dogfart> 08└─Just because they were the "good old days" doesn't mean the poster was suggesting we go back, moron.
[08:18:51] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Ahhh, yeah.., those were the good old days - 06Chuck Forsberg, Author of ZModem, Dead at 71 - 178 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:18:53] <dogfart> 08└─Seriously, if I could get CompuServer as I used to have it and the program I used which collected headlines/etc. into a "newspaper" for me, I'd go back to dial up in a heartbeat.
[08:18:54] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Funny) 02Alphabetic Monopoly - 06Chuck Forsberg, Author of ZModem, Dead at 71 - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:18:54] <dogfart> 08└─ZMODEM became extremely popular... displacing earlier protocols such as XMODEM and YMODEM.
[08:18:55] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Cheers to Chuck, RIP - 06Chuck Forsberg, Author of ZModem, Dead at 71 - 141 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:18:56] <dogfart> 08└─Developed the best file transfer protocol of its day with much needed features. I used Zmodem early and until the internet obsoleted the BBS.
[08:18:57] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Touché) 02+++ - 06Chuck Forsberg, Author of ZModem, Dead at 71 - 10 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:18:58] <dogfart> 08└─NO CARRIER
[08:18:59] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03opinionated_science [4031] (Score:2) 02RIP CHUCK... - 06Chuck Forsberg, Author of ZModem, Dead at 71 - 24 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:19:00] <dogfart> 08└─Software lives forever!!
[08:19:01] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03nukkel [168] (Score:2) 02Re:RIP CHUCK... - 06Chuck Forsberg, Author of ZModem, Dead at 71 - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:19:02] <dogfart> 08└─Yes, a century from now, people will still be using ZMODEM!
[08:19:02] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:RIP CHUCK... - 06Chuck Forsberg, Author of ZModem, Dead at 71 - 47 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:19:03] <dogfart> 08└─What, you don't use ZMODEM to read SoylentNews?
[08:19:04] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03No Respect [991] (Score:2) 02YAM - 06Chuck Forsberg, Author of ZModem, Dead at 71 - 683 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:19:05] <dogfart> 08└─First software I ever paid for. There was a shareware version and YAM was the commercial version. Yet Another Modem was the source of the acronym YAM. It did Kermit transfers as well which you really needed if you dealt with mainframe systems of the time. I recall the pre-ethernet days when I once w...
[08:19:06] <dogfart> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03FatPhil [863] 02Why not do it at the client end? - 06PHP - Thread Carefully - 902 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:19:07] <dogfart> 08└─Generate a simple page which then uses AJAX to populate itself, and whilst to the browser's view it's asynchronous, to the server it's perfectly synchronous - request in, whirr, whirr, clunk, result out, job done, let's forget about that and move on to the next one. The webserver itself will also ha...
[08:19:08] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03deimios [201] (Score:2) 02Re:Why not do it at the client end? - 06PHP - Thread Carefully - 388 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:19:09] <dogfart> 08└─While I share the sentiment some people learned coding with PHP. "When your only tool is a hammer you treat everything as if it were a nail" and all that. I wouldn't exclude such people from learning good coding practices, even if the circumstances are not exactly the best. In time they will figure...
[08:19:10] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Why not do it at the client end? - 06PHP - Thread Carefully - 995 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:19:10] <dogfart> 08└─One of my biggest "dafuq?!?!?!" PHP moments came only 2 days ago. I was watching a youtube tutorial on how to do some h/w hacky thing, and the slave got commands from the master by polling a file residing a webserver, whilst the controller was a webpage invoking a PHP script which wrote to that comm...
[08:19:11] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:2) 02Re:Why not do it at the client end? - 06PHP - Thread Carefully - 306 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:19:12] <dogfart> 08└─One advantage springs to mind; if he ever decides he wants to provide something more complicated than a plain text file can provide - maybe a different text file at different times of day, or a list of commands generated on-the-fly depending on other server activity - he doesn't have to rewrite the...
[08:19:13] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Re:Why not do it at the client end? - 06PHP - Thread Carefully - 340 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:19:14] <dogfart> 08└─That can all be done in the PHP script which creates the .txt file from the CGI parameters. An intermediate "here's what he asked for"-to-"here's what we should give him" filter seems overengineering to the extreme. I'm guessing that the guy's only ever executed PHP scripts in his server, and didn't...
[08:19:15] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03SanityCheck [5190] (Score:2) 02Re:Why not do it at the client end? - 06PHP - Thread Carefully - 311 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:19:16] <dogfart> 08└─Hahaha perfect! I seen shit like that too. You would not even believe the piles of turds I stepped int hat were in PHP. I guess I feel vindicated that I reach for python when doing any sort of threaded work. But a lot of code here is in PHP, and IF I have to do use parrelism, I would like to continu...
[08:19:17] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Fnord666 [652] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Why not do it at the client end? - 06PHP - Thread Carefully - 707 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:19:17] <dogfart> 08└─One of my biggest "dafuq?!?!?!" PHP moments came only 2 days ago. I was watching a youtube tutorial on how to do some h/w hacky thing, and the slave got commands from the master by polling a file residing a webserver, whilst the controller was a webpage invoking a PHP script which wrote to that comm...
[08:19:18] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Why not do it at the client end? - 06PHP - Thread Carefully - 32 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:19:19] <dogfart> 08└─Why not do it at the client end?
[08:19:20] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03SanityCheck [5190] (Score:2) 02Re:Why not do it at the client end? - 06PHP - Thread Carefully - 1098 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:19:21] <dogfart> 08└─Yes that is true, it is not ideal solution for a lot of reason, especially where quux has arguments dependent on foo and bar, not to mention that these arguments might now have to be checked to ensure they were not altered by the client. I think that just makes a Swiss cheese out of your whole syste...
[08:19:22] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Re:Why not do it at the client end? - 06PHP - Thread Carefully - 286 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:19:23] <dogfart> 08└─> can you trust the client not to request quux Given that you sent the JS code to the client, if it doesn't do that, it's your code that's borked, and you should pay. Of course, you should handle broken clients with a polite "fuck off", rather than getting your own knickers in a twist.
[08:19:24] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:2) 02Re:Why not do it at the client end? - 06PHP - Thread Carefully - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:19:24] <dogfart> 08└─Given that you sent the JS code to the client, if it doesn't do that, it's your code that's borked, and you should pay.
[08:19:25] <dogfart> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Thexalon [636] 02Correction to article - 06PHP - Thread Carefully - 109 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:19:26] <dogfart> 08└─As far as I can remember, PHP has always had a terrible reputation at handling anything important or complex.
[08:19:27] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03xav [5579] (Score:1, Disagree) 02Re:Correction to article - 06PHP - Thread Carefully - 36 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:19:28] <dogfart> 08└─s/PHP has/PHP programmers have/ FTFY
[08:19:29] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03TheRaven [270] (Score:2) 02Re:Correction to article - 06PHP - Thread Carefully - 337 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:19:30] <dogfart> 08└─Good programmers can write good code in any language. Bad programmers can write bad code in any language. But good programmers look at PHP, see how insanely hard writing good code would be, and pick a less-bad language. The fact that JavaScript is a less-bad language for server-side programming is a...
[08:19:30] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Correction to article - 06PHP - Thread Carefully - 365 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:19:31] <dogfart> 08└─php is no worse than any other language, and its one of the easiest for programming web apps, so to all the naysayers out there... get over it already it probably suffers from tall poppy syndrome more than anything because some of the largest and busiest websites use it (such as facebook and wikiped...
[08:19:32] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:2) 02Re:Correction to article - 06PHP - Thread Carefully - 1348 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:19:33] <dogfart> 08└─No, I'm referring to PHP the language. My favorite example of how terrible it is: What happens when an error condition is encountered? The answer is *any* of the following, depending on the exact nature of the error condition: - The PHP process seg-faults and dies. - An exception is thrown up the ca...
[08:19:34] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02Re:Correction to article - 06PHP - Thread Carefully - 245 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:19:35] <dogfart> 08└─In true PHP style, if something new is available in version 5.3.1, it will have its API changed in 5.3.2 (so calling it like you did in 5.3.1 fails), and it won't be available in 5.4. After riding that train a couple of times, I said "fuck PHP".
[08:19:36] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Bill Evans [1094] (Score:4, Informative) 02Here there be dragons. - 06PHP - Thread Carefully - 1165 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:19:37] <dogfart> 08└─PHP or no, POSIX threading is not for the faint of heart. It requires clear-headed discipline, an inclination to keep threading layout as simple as possible (but no simpler), and an eye out for gotchas. On my bookshelf are two books on pthreads programming: Pthreads Programming, by Nichols, Buttla...
[08:19:37] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03darkfeline [1030] (Score:2) 02Re:Here there be dragons. - 06PHP - Thread Carefully - 845 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:19:38] <dogfart> 08└─I am of the opinion that traditional threading is a dead end anyway. Calling UNIX "do one thing" subprocesses asynchronously is much less likely to create bugs, or as a more general rule, using functions with no external dependencies or side effects, akin to strict functional programming. The trick...
[08:19:39] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Bill Evans [1094] (Score:2) 02Re:Here there be dragons. - 06PHP - Thread Carefully - 159 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:19:40] <dogfart> 08└─I am of the opinion that traditional threading is a dead end anyway. Calling UNIX "do one thing" subprocesses asynchronously is much less likely to create bugs
[08:19:41] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03bart9h [767] (Score:3, Informative) 02TIL - 06PHP - Thread Carefully - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:19:42] <dogfart> 08└─PHP is still a thing. (you can mod me a troll now)
[08:19:43] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03barrahome [3580] (Score:2, Insightful) 02Re:TIL - 06PHP - Thread Carefully - 200 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:19:44] <dogfart> 08└─Like it or not PHP is one of the major languages around there, anyone complain about a language, but do they have or do plan to make their own? i'm sure that is a NO. Haters gonna hate. Long Live PHP!
[08:19:44] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03pgc [1600] (Score:2) 02Re:TIL - 06PHP - Thread Carefully - 9 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:19:45] <dogfart> 08└─TIL 'TIL'
[08:19:46] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03engblom [556] (Score:2) 02There are better tools - 06PHP - Thread Carefully - 776 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:19:47] <dogfart> 08└─PHP lacked from the very beginning any kind of design. It was just a "perl simplifier", that slowly grew to become a popular tool for making dynamic sites. Even today you see a lot of strange things inside of PHP because it lacked a design from the very beginning. Things are inconsistent and some th...
[08:19:48] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] (Score:2) 02force us to use force - 06Grassley-Durbin Bill Reforming H-1B and L-1 Visa System - 1221 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:19:49] <dogfart> 08└─I don't know about this. H1B abuse is a problem, but is this a good response? This strikes me as an anti-foreigner idea that has been provided an opportune moment thanks to the terrorist attacks in Paris. It is also posturing. Looks okay on the surface, but doesn't address the underlying issues. Thi...
[08:19:50] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02Re:force us to use force - 06Grassley-Durbin Bill Reforming H-1B and L-1 Visa System - 664 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:19:50] <dogfart> 08└─>employers who are determined to hire cheap, exploitable foreigners will still find a way. > What about enforcing existing labor laws, for starters? Doesn't have exactly the same problem? Myself, I'd like H1B visas to be mandatory fast-track for green cards. None of this waiting 7+ years. Green card...
[08:19:51] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Interesting) 02Re:force us to use force - 06Grassley-Durbin Bill Reforming H-1B and L-1 Visa System - 1396 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:19:52] <dogfart> 08└─Brain drain does not always benefit us. Making other places shittier because we took all their doctors to be our nurses is not really a good idea, especially if the places we took the doctors from have say an ebola outbreak. And brain drain, regardless of how it is done, will always depress local wa...
[08:19:53] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:force us to use force - 06Grassley-Durbin Bill Reforming H-1B and L-1 Visa System - 209 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:19:54] <dogfart> 08└─We need population growth for another reason - to counter the growing economic force of China and India, which is ultimately driven by their massive populations. Unlike those two, we have room for more people.
[08:19:55] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Re:force us to use force - 06Grassley-Durbin Bill Reforming H-1B and L-1 Visa System - 267 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:19:56] <dogfart> 08└─> we have room for more people. Sure, but the most attractive quarter of the USA is the one where there's already not enough water under the current usage patterns. There's lots of room in Detroit people! Cheap! This way! Free blizzards for the first 200000 settlers!
[08:19:57] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:force us to use force - 06Grassley-Durbin Bill Reforming H-1B and L-1 Visa System - 185 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:19:57] <dogfart> 08└─And brain drain, regardless of how it is done, will always depress local wages in the long run. The depression may be less than if it was under current regime, but it will still happen.
[08:19:58] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:1) 02Re:force us to use force - 06Grassley-Durbin Bill Reforming H-1B and L-1 Visa System - 224 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:19:59] <dogfart> 08└─Brain drain does not always benefit us. Making other places shittier because we took all their doctors to be our nurses is not really a good idea, especially if the places we took the doctors from have say an ebola outbreak.
[08:20:00] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:force us to use force - 06Grassley-Durbin Bill Reforming H-1B and L-1 Visa System - 1069 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:20:01] <dogfart> 08└─It's very easy to sound erudite to criticize somebody else's posting without actually contributing. (Note that I apply this both to myself in responding to you as well as you responding to the bill.) However that rarely actually gets us anywhere. I don't fully agree with all your analogies, but I do...
[08:20:02] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:force us to use force - 06Grassley-Durbin Bill Reforming H-1B and L-1 Visa System - 366 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:20:03] <dogfart> 08└─GP was criticizing the bill, not TFS/TFA which reported on the bill. So that should be exempt from the "whining w/o contributing" charge. I agree that the bill does not sound especially well thought out, it focuses on current statistics but doesn't address legitimate issues, like the business about...
[08:20:03] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03PocketSizeSUn [5340] (Score:1) 02Re:force us to use force - 06Grassley-Durbin Bill Reforming H-1B and L-1 Visa System - 789 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:20:04] <dogfart> 08└─50% H1-B is targeting *specifically* the massive H1-B contract houses like TATA, WIPRO, INFOSYS and dozens more that hoard a huge percentage of the H1-B visas available and are notorious for gaming the system (understating titles, paying horribly low wages, and finally providing mostly useless bodie...
[08:20:05] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03davester666 [155] (Score:2) 02Re:force us to use force - 06Grassley-Durbin Bill Reforming H-1B and L-1 Visa System - 208 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:20:06] <dogfart> 08└─This is more like passing laws outlawing marijuana, but not having the DEA. Congress can pass all the laws it wants, when there is nobody willing and able to actually enforce the laws, it makes no difference.
[08:20:07] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:force us to use force - 06Grassley-Durbin Bill Reforming H-1B and L-1 Visa System - 733 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:20:08] <dogfart> 08└─" Similarly, employers who are determined to hire cheap, exploitable foreigners will still find a way. " And what happens when those employers are discovered, ratted out, and brought to trial for having illegal, cheap, exploitable foreigners? I don't know exactly but it'll be a lot less beneficial t...
[08:20:09] <dogfart> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03MrGuy [1007] 02It's not about whether it passes. - 06Grassley-Durbin Bill Reforming H-1B and L-1 Visa System - 970 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:20:10] <dogfart> 08└─It's about whether it will be enforced. There are already rules designed to prevent abuse like what's happening at Disney. [theatlantic.com] For H1B visa sponsors, there's a requirement to post and get comment on an LCA [visapro.com] (Labor Condition Application) that describes and requires them to...
[08:20:10] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:It's not about whether it passes. - 06Grassley-Durbin Bill Reforming H-1B and L-1 Visa System - 962 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:20:11] <dogfart> 08└─Disney is using a loophole. The H1B people are not permanent, they are just the first step to off-shoring. They are here on H1B in order to be trained on the system and then after a year or so will be sent back home where they will continue to do the job. So technically they aren't taking american j...
[08:20:12] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03GlennC [3656] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Chances of Passing - 06Grassley-Durbin Bill Reforming H-1B and L-1 Visa System - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:20:13] <dogfart> 08└─I hate to say it, but the chances are almost none.
[08:20:14] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Sometimes the reasons don't matter - 06Grassley-Durbin Bill Reforming H-1B and L-1 Visa System - 1548 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:20:15] <dogfart> 08└─The comments thus far seem to be more concerned with touchy feely crap than the real experiences people are having as a result of the sociopathic personality of major corporations. Xenophobia might be behind the law, might not, but for the people who end up bankrupt and on the dole because a company...
[08:20:16] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Sometimes the reasons don't matter - 06Grassley-Durbin Bill Reforming H-1B and L-1 Visa System - 499 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:20:16] <dogfart> 08└─The top tax rate (i.e., paid by the wealthiest 1 pct) for long term capital gains in the US should be increased from 20 pct to 28 pct, which is where it was before Bush came into office. Many of the huge, 8-figure CEO compensation packages are organized to make equity the biggest component. And to r...
[08:20:17] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Chances? Zero. - 06Grassley-Durbin Bill Reforming H-1B and L-1 Visa System - 242 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:20:18] <dogfart> 08└─Zero chance of passage and the sponsors likely know it. It will get buried in committee or in conference. And Durbin, Grassley, and all the co-sponsors will campaign about how pro-labor they are while they suck up the corporate contributions.
[08:20:19] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:3, Informative) 02not surprising - 06Vatican Charges 5 Over Leaks, Alleges "Organized Crime" - 172 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:20:20] <dogfart> 08└─the vatican is basically the catholic version of the islamic state anyone who lives/works/visits there should expect to be subjected to laws dictated by religious whackjobs
[08:20:21] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Re:not surprising - 06Vatican Charges 5 Over Leaks, Alleges "Organized Crime" - 58 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:20:22] <dogfart> 08└─Fairly sure people don't get beheaded in St peters square.
[08:20:22] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:not surprising - 06Vatican Charges 5 Over Leaks, Alleges "Organized Crime" - 222 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:20:23] <dogfart> 08└─Parent post was obviously exhagerated but as an Italian living a few kilometers from there, I find disturbing that though the Vatican is a foreign state wrt Italy, still it often has a voice into Italian affairs, laws etc.
[08:20:24] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03HiThere [866] (Score:2) 02Re:not surprising - 06Vatican Charges 5 Over Leaks, Alleges "Organized Crime" - 47 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:20:25] <dogfart> 08└─Not recently, but they used to burn them alive.
[08:20:26] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:not surprising - 06Vatican Charges 5 Over Leaks, Alleges "Organized Crime" - 390 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:20:27] <dogfart> 08└─Not to mention they used the rack, stocks, pillories, thumb screws, the pear and Judas' Cradle (look these two up at your own risk. I'm not going to explain them) on pretty much anyone that didn't agree with them. Those with historic amnesia dutifully ignore these facts because after all, the church...
[08:20:27] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Re:not surprising - 06Vatican Charges 5 Over Leaks, Alleges "Organized Crime" - 171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:20:28] <dogfart> 08└─So ISIS is as bad as the church used to be. Whoopee. Yes, Islam is about 600 years behind christianity, doesn't mean we have to like it, or go through another inquisition.
[08:20:29] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:not surprising - 06Vatican Charges 5 Over Leaks, Alleges "Organized Crime" - 296 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:20:30] <dogfart> 08└─Protestants used to burn people too. In England, they even dug up dead people they were mad at and "killed" them a second time. Nut cases exist in every religion. Hell, there are even nut-case atheists. Trying to make out like it's a problem with only one religion is nothing short of ridiculous.
[08:20:31] <dogfart> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03FatPhil [863] 02We've got to stop them telling - 06Vatican Charges 5 Over Leaks, Alleges "Organized Crime" - 691 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:20:32] <dogfart> 08└─Yes, it's a Southpark reference. While the world's all in a fluster about how evil Islam is, and some of them are "praying" for the victims and their families, I get irate - Islam's not the problem, and praying certainly isn't the solution. Organised and proselytising religions are the problem. The...
[08:20:33] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03massa [5547] (Score:1) 02Re:We've got to stop them telling - 06Vatican Charges 5 Over Leaks, Alleges "Organized Crime" - 188 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:20:33] <dogfart> 08└─because the evil Mother Theresa forbade the use of contraception the funny twist is that she confessed that during a lot of her life she didn't believe that God existed. [telegraph.co.uk]
[08:20:34] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03darkfeline [1030] (Score:2) 02Re:We've got to stop them telling - 06Vatican Charges 5 Over Leaks, Alleges "Organized Crime" - 547 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:20:35] <dogfart> 08└─My gripe with religion is that it tries to make a lot of people to all believe the same thing, but people do not naturally end up believing the same thing. This is exactly why religions splinter off and form different sects: a large enough group of "believers" find that their beliefs differ enough f...
[08:20:36] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Kilo110 [2853] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Disappointing - 06Vatican Charges 5 Over Leaks, Alleges "Organized Crime" - 258 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:20:37] <dogfart> 08└─I listened to an interview with Gerald Posner, author of God's Bankers, a few months ago. He said he genuinely had high hopes for Francis when it came to reform and weeding out corruption. These arrests disappoints me. I suspect it would also disappoint him.
[08:20:38] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02Re:Disappointing - 06Vatican Charges 5 Over Leaks, Alleges "Organized Crime" - 891 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:20:39] <dogfart> 08└─Roman citizen here. Francis is the result of a well crafted PR campaign; the Vatican was in desperate need of a new face after all those scandals, people was literally flocking away from churches and donations suffered as well, so they had to find a new good face. The propaganda became clear by the...
[08:20:40] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03mhajicek [51] (Score:2) 02Time will tell - 06Electronic Plants Created - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:20:40] <dogfart> 08└─If this idea bears fruit.
[08:20:41] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03inertnet [4071] (Score:2) 02Re:Time will tell - 06Electronic Plants Created - 33 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:20:42] <dogfart> 08└─In Sovjet Russia bears fruit you.
[08:20:43] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Progress in efficiency is expected - 06Electronic Plants Created - 38 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:20:44] <dogfart> 08└─along a trajectory dubbed Darwin's Law
[08:20:45] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Happy tinkering... - 06Electronic Plants Created - 427 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:20:46] <dogfart> 08└─> Augmenting plants with electronic functionality would make it possible to combine electric signals with the plant's own chemical processes. > Controlling and interfacing with chemical pathways in plants could pave the way to photosynthesis-based fuel cells, sensors and growth > regulators, and dev...
[08:20:46] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03turgid [4318] (Score:2) 02Re:Happy tinkering... - 06Electronic Plants Created - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:20:47] <dogfart> 08└─When you go to San Francisco...
[08:20:48] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:3, Flamebait) 02Just vote Hitler - 06Bernie Sanders Leads TIME Magazine's Person of the Year Readers' Poll - 196 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:20:49] <dogfart> 08└─Let's review your past choices. G W Bush: warmongering murderous evil dictatorial tyrant B H Obama: warmongering murderous evil dictatorial tyrant You stupid fuckers sure do love to vote for evil.
[08:20:51] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Frost [3313] (Score:2, Funny) 02Re:Just vote Hitler - 06Bernie Sanders Leads TIME Magazine's Person of the Year Readers' Poll - 148 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:20:52] <dogfart> 08└─I've been toying with the idea of a bumper sticker saying, "Bernie Sanders: Not A Lizard," but now I'm not so sure. Is he a lizard? He is, isn't he?
[08:20:52] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02Re:Just vote Hitler - 06Bernie Sanders Leads TIME Magazine's Person of the Year Readers' Poll - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:20:53] <dogfart> 08└─Hard to tell... Let's just call him Lizard-Curious.
[08:20:54] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Just vote Hitler - 06Bernie Sanders Leads TIME Magazine's Person of the Year Readers' Poll - 154 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:20:55] <dogfart> 08└─> You stupid fuckers sure do love to vote for evil. The Time Person of the Year Award is not about good or bad, it is about having a big place in history.
[08:20:56] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Just vote Hitler - 06Bernie Sanders Leads TIME Magazine's Person of the Year Readers' Poll - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:20:57] <dogfart> 08└─How many Sharks with Lasers can I buy for ONE MILLION DOLLARS.
[08:20:58] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Just vote Hitler - 06Bernie Sanders Leads TIME Magazine's Person of the Year Readers' Poll - 606 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:20:59] <dogfart> 08└─That used to be the case, but that hasn't been true since 2001. When it was being floated that Bin Laden was being considered that year, the conservative right made a shitstorm over it which turned into bad PR, and in the end they gave it to Bush. They tried to put a positive spin on it, but it was...
[08:20:59] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Just vote Hitler - 06Bernie Sanders Leads TIME Magazine's Person of the Year Readers' Poll - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:21:00] <dogfart> 08└─Well they gave it to Putin in 2007 and I doubt it was because he's such a great guy.
[08:21:01] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03dgeiser13 [5964] (Score:2, Informative) 02Re:Just vote Hitler - 06Bernie Sanders Leads TIME Magazine's Person of the Year Readers' Poll - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:21:02] <dogfart> 08└─Hitler was their person of the year in 1938 according to Wikipedia [wikipedia.org].
[08:21:03] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Just vote Hitler - 06Bernie Sanders Leads TIME Magazine's Person of the Year Readers' Poll - 7 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:21:03] <dogfart> 08└─Wooosh!
[08:21:04] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Just vote Hitler - 06Bernie Sanders Leads TIME Magazine's Person of the Year Readers' Poll - 124 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:21:05] <dogfart> 08└─"A pox on both political parties" posts are ALWAYS modded up. That doesn't mean they're not absolute nonsense, as parent is.
[08:21:06] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Time magazine is irrelevant - 06Bernie Sanders Leads TIME Magazine's Person of the Year Readers' Poll - 13 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:21:07] <dogfart> 08└─Sad, but true
[08:21:08] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Time Magazine Web Poll even more so - 06Bernie Sanders Leads TIME Magazine's Person of the Year Readers' Poll - 278 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:21:09] <dogfart> 08└─What do we always say about web polls? Something that came down from green site, when it was wise. Remember? This whole thing is wildly inaccurate. Rounding errors, ballot stuffers, dynamic IPs, firewalls. If you're using these numbers to do anything important, you're insane.
[08:21:09] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:2) 02#feelthebern - 06Bernie Sanders Leads TIME Magazine's Person of the Year Readers' Poll - 14 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:21:10] <dogfart> 08└─#ihatehashtags
[08:21:11] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:#feelthebern - 06Bernie Sanders Leads TIME Magazine's Person of the Year Readers' Poll - 569 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:21:12] <dogfart> 08└─MDC, I hashtagged nothing! Did I? What, do we have auto-hashtagging, which is likely to cause at least as much trouble as auto-correct, and auto-I-knew-what-you-were-trying-to-do, Dave, so I cannot open the pod bay doors? Well, do we? Point being, only one pole matters, and that is the Galactic Pole...
[08:21:13] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:3, Funny) 02Re:#feelthebern - 06Bernie Sanders Leads TIME Magazine's Person of the Year Readers' Poll - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:21:14] <dogfart> 08└─Point being, only one pole matters, and that is the Galactic Pole
[08:21:15] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:2) 02Re:#feelthebern - 06Bernie Sanders Leads TIME Magazine's Person of the Year Readers' Poll - 351 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:21:15] <dogfart> 08└─Completely OT, but on-thread, a friend of mine made the masks for a burlesque production of Cinderella [out.com] and gave me and my wife a couple of comped tickets. There was a girl in it who did pole dancing while singing full-on opera. One of the most impressive athletic feats I've ever seen. Made...
[08:21:16] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:2) 02"You may have schizoaffective disorder," I said - 06Bernie Sanders Leads TIME Magazine's Person of the Year Readers' Poll - 520 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:21:17] <dogfart> 08└─"Yeah, that sounds familiar. I also suffer from Remote Neutral Monitoring." "I'm not familiar with Remote Neutral Monitoring. Can you tell me more about it?" "There's a radio implanted in my head that controls my mind." "Why so?" "I'm caught in the middle between two sides of a war. NO ONE IS ON MY...
[08:21:18] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Time Magazine Web Poll even more so - 06Bernie Sanders Leads TIME Magazine's Person of the Year Readers' Poll - 327 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:21:19] <dogfart> 08└─> What do we always say about web polls? Something that came down from green site, when it was wise. Remember? Which is why the poll does not determine the winner. It is a PR stunt to get people on the site and sell ad impressions. The editors make the choice. In 2006 Hugo Chavez won the online poll...
[08:21:20] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Re:Time Magazine Web Poll even more so - 06Bernie Sanders Leads TIME Magazine's Person of the Year Readers' Poll - 193 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:21:21] <dogfart> 08└─If you're using these numbers to do anything important, you're insane. The problem with the old site's warning from over 15 years ago was it assumed people were generally sane. They were wrong.
[08:21:22] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:Time Magazine Web Poll even more so - 06Bernie Sanders Leads TIME Magazine's Person of the Year Readers' Poll - 122 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:21:23] <dogfart> 08└─The problem with the old site's warning from over 15 years ago was it assumed people were generally sane. They were wrong.
[08:21:23] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03tibman [134] (Score:3, Informative) 02Requires authentication - 06Bernie Sanders Leads TIME Magazine's Person of the Year Readers' Poll - 148 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:21:24] <dogfart> 08└─Requires you to have a facebook or twitter account to cast a vote. Just FYI! I have neither : / But currently Bernie is at 12.6% and Clinton at 1.2%
[08:21:25] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02wtf? - 06Bernie Sanders Leads TIME Magazine's Person of the Year Readers' Poll - 105 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:21:26] <dogfart> 08└─this is a joke poll right? coming 6th is 'Refugees' anyone who thinks this poll means anything is a moron
[08:21:27] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Re:wtf? - 06Bernie Sanders Leads TIME Magazine's Person of the Year Readers' Poll - 358 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:21:28] <dogfart> 08└─coming 6th is 'Refugees' anyone who thinks this poll means anything is a moron Wonkypedia: Person of the Year (called Man of the Year until 1999[1]) is an annual issue of the United States news magazine Time that features and profiles a person, group, idea or object that "for better or for worse......
[08:21:28] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score:2) 02Re:wtf? - 06Bernie Sanders Leads TIME Magazine's Person of the Year Readers' Poll - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:21:29] <dogfart> 08└─Neither "ISIS" nor "Refugees" is a person.
[08:21:30] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Re:wtf? - 06Bernie Sanders Leads TIME Magazine's Person of the Year Readers' Poll - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:21:31] <dogfart> 08└─Neither was "The American fighting-man" in 1950, or "The Computer" in 1982, or "The Protester" in 2011. There are more examples.
[08:21:32] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Time's ____ of the year - 06Bernie Sanders Leads TIME Magazine's Person of the Year Readers' Poll - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:21:33] <dogfart> 08└─In 1983, Time's ____ of the year was the computer. -- gewg_
[08:21:34] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Anonymous is on the case! - 06Bernie Sanders Leads TIME Magazine's Person of the Year Readers' Poll - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:21:35] <dogfart> 08└─SANDERSCAKE ALSO THE GAME
[08:21:36] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score:2) 02Reality check - 06Bernie Sanders Leads TIME Magazine's Person of the Year Readers' Poll - 967 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:21:36] <dogfart> 08└─Reality Check #1. The Time 'Person/Entity/Hashtag of the Year' is just a stunt to move magazines in an end of the year issue normally in a quiet time newswise. It is going to be picked based on that, the ability of the selection to move units. Reality Check #2. Bernie Sanders is NOT going to be pick...
[08:21:37] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03HiThere [866] (Score:2) 02Re:Reality check - 06Bernie Sanders Leads TIME Magazine's Person of the Year Readers' Poll - 37 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:21:38] <dogfart> 08└─I wish I though you were too cynical.
[08:21:39] <dogfart> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Anonymous Coward 02Dumb pipes - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 411 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:21:40] <dogfart> 08└─My ISP should just be a dumb pipe and nothing more. I pay it to access the Internet, and they provide the service. Now companies which have monopolies (or duopolies if you're lucky) in so many areas violate your privacy and fuck with your traffic. It's not an ISP's job to enforce copyright or try to...
[08:21:41] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Nerdfest [80] (Score:2) 02Re:Dumb pipes - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 165 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:21:42] <dogfart> 08└─Well, between stuff like this and the wonderful new 'free streaming' (as long as they register with us, etc) it looks like net neutrality's pretty much gone already.
[08:21:42] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Dumb pipes - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 405 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:21:43] <dogfart> 08└─Sometimes the wonderful new "free streaming" really is wonderful. T-Mobile does free streaming of audio from any web server, no registration required. Your indie band site is equal to the big label radio sites as far as T-Mobile Music Freedom is concerned. Now sure Music Freedom violates net neutral...
[08:21:44] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03physicsmajor [1471] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:Dumb pipes - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 874 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:21:45] <dogfart> 08└─Citation needed. I'm very skeptical that T-Mobile did this in any transparent way. Even if they did, do they publish how they detect a given stream is audio and not - for example - realtime data from the LHC? Or a low-resolution webcam? Are they assuming based on the protocol? How does that work out...
[08:21:46] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Re:Dumb pipes - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 313 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:21:47] <dogfart> 08└─I wish I had a citation for you, but the method is not published, and no one is brave enough to blog about it. Here are the details: Unencrypted HTTP traffic on ports 80 and 8080 with Content-Type: audio is unthrottled and unmetered. T-Mobile Music Freedom traffic is not charged and does not appear...
[08:21:47] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Dumb pipes - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 599 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:21:48] <dogfart> 08└─Just from hanging out at geek sites, it's very clear that geeks are unwilling to self-police or cooperate with existing laws against piracy. Instead, they keep claiming (shouting, really) that piracy laws are obsolete and/or corrupt, but that IMMIGRATION laws need to be rigorously enforced, and H1-B...
[08:21:50] <dogfart> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] 02Re:Dumb pipes - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 102 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:21:50] <dogfart> 08└─it's very clear that geeks are unwilling to self-police or cooperate with existing laws against piracy
[08:21:51] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Insightful) 02Re:Dumb pipes - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 381 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:21:52] <dogfart> 08└─Just from hanging out at geek sites, it's very clear that geeks are unwilling to self-police or cooperate with existing laws against piracy. Instead, they keep claiming (shouting, really) that piracy laws are obsolete and/or corrupt, but that IMMIGRATION laws need to be rigorously enforced, and H1-B...
[08:21:53] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03anubi [2828] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:Dumb pipes - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 2399 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:21:54] <dogfart> 08└─The same snooping techniques used to see if you are doing something someone else does not want you to do can also be used to also tap into financial transactions as well as getting names, account numbers, transaction info, and other information needed for precision spearphishing attacks directed aga...
[08:21:55] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Dumb pipes - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 243 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:21:56] <dogfart> 08└─Your words are a relief to read; there's only a handful of people online I've seen that can convey how folks trying to treat unlimited information as a physical restricted thing leads to serious complications / headaches! Thanks for your post!
[08:21:56] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Dumb pipes - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 233 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:21:57] <dogfart> 08└─>If you're a Congressman, an FCC bureaucrat, or a telco executive, you're going to look at that and say hookay guys. Whatever. You're not serious about solving the problem so we're going to solve it without your help. We are enemies.
[08:21:58] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03mhajicek [51] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Dumb pipes - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:21:59] <dogfart> 08└─What problem exactly? Serious question.
[08:22:00] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Dumb pipes - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 332 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:22:00] <dogfart> 08└─In what world "solving the problem" is not the worst possible thing that could happen from the point of a monopolist telco exec? In one where they could just follow Kant's imperative and just ignore this whole "business" thing and not get immediately sacked and perhaps even thrown to jail for pissin...
[08:22:01] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Dumb pipes - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 394 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:22:02] <dogfart> 08└─Obviously. It's also painfully clear that all geeks are retarded gamergators living in their relatives' basements on doritos and hot pockets and none of them eg. work for anything remotely related to aforementioned entities, nevermind anything crrrrazy like having actually founded a company around s...
[08:22:03] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:4, Interesting) 02Re:Dumb pipes - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 799 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:22:04] <dogfart> 08└─Just from hanging out at geek sites, it's very clear that geeks are unwilling to self-police or cooperate with existing laws against piracy. Instead, they keep claiming (shouting, really) that piracy laws are obsolete and/or corrupt, but that IMMIGRATION laws need to be rigorously enforced, and H1-B...
[08:22:05] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03kurenai.tsubasa [5227] (Score:2) 02★★★★☆ - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 1267 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:22:06] <dogfart> 08└─While this piece has subtle tones of constructivism, particularly the use of all caps for the word immigration, taken as a whole, features such as nearly uniform sentence length, good but not perfect grammar, and closing implying that we are powerless leave the reader with a distinct impression of p...
[08:22:06] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Dumb pipes - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 598 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:22:07] <dogfart> 08└─Just from hanging out at geek sites, it's very clear that geeks are unwilling to self-police or cooperate with existing laws against piracy. Instead, they keep claiming (shouting, really) that piracy laws are obsolete and/or corrupt, but that IMMIGRATION laws need to be rigorously enforced, and H1-B...
[08:22:08] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Dumb pipes - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 243 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:22:09] <dogfart> 08└─Because the regulators grew up in a time where "telecom" meant rotary phones and gigantic plugboards, or if they're younger, only paid enough attention in college to get through law school, and didn't care about any of that "technology stuff".
[08:22:10] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Dumb pipes - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 64 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:22:11] <dogfart> 08└─only paid enough attention in college to get through law school,
[08:22:12] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Dumb pipes - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:22:13] <dogfart> 08└─My ISP should just be a dumb pipe and nothing more.
[08:22:13] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Dumb pipes - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 221 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:22:14] <dogfart> 08└─Because otherwise the public sector would have to enforce the law and that would be pinko-commie-socialist-fascist-athiest un-American. Taxes would have to go up! Let the Market police itself and only the fittest survive.
[08:22:15] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Grayson [5696] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Dumb pipes - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 555 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:22:16] <dogfart> 08└─When the owner of the pipes is also a major copyright owner you get major conflicts of interest. Copyright owner/ISP only wants you to have access to buy from them... block competitorsCopyright owner/ISP wants to be over zealous enforcing copyright... MITM your connectionsCopyright owner/ISP wants...
[08:22:17] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03edIII [791] (Score:2) 02Re:Dumb pipes - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:22:18] <dogfart> 08└─Why are there no regulations against this bullshit?
[08:22:19] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02ICAP backgrounder - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 102 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:22:19] <dogfart> 08└─here [auug.org.au] Notice on the status of GreasySpoon ICAP project [sourceforge.net] used by Comcast.
[08:22:20] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Troll) 02Vote with yer wallets - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 284 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:22:21] <dogfart> 08└─Switch now. Do not give Comcast money. Not enough competition, you say? Well here's a business opportunity for you to start your own ISP and provide some competition. Don't want to switch, you say? Well, fuck you, lazy motherfucker. You're the goddamn problem by legitimizing Comcast.
[08:22:22] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03HiThere [866] (Score:2) 02Re:Vote with yer wallets - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 180 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:22:23] <dogfart> 08└─I'm sorry you were moderated troll. The correct moderation would be idiot. I have no trouble believing that you are sincere in your position, even though it *is* incredibly stupid.
[08:22:24] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03darkfeline [1030] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Vote with yer wallets - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 332 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:22:25] <dogfart> 08└─>Well here's a business opportunity for you to start your own ISP and provide some competition. Why don't you try to do it first and tell us how it goes? Spoilers: you need, as a bare minimum, a significant amount of capital to invest to even start an ISP, which maybe only the top 1-5% would be able...
[08:22:26] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:3, Insightful) 02So they violate copyright - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:22:26] <dogfart> 08└─The web page is copyrighted by the page's author. By modifying it, Comcast violates that copyright. Two wrongs...
[08:22:27] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02Re:So they violate copyright - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 261 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:22:28] <dogfart> 08└─Someone got sued for injecting ads like this because of that exact thing: creating a derivative work without permission and giving it to viewers while misrepresenting the sources is 2 crimes (They both violate the copyright, and falsely claim its the real page)
[08:22:29] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03urza9814 [3954] (Score:2) 02Re:So they violate copyright - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 185 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:22:30] <dogfart> 08└─I was thinking the same thing, and wondering how one might intentionally trigger this banner...is it based on keywords on the page, or are they manually setting it for specific domains?
[08:22:31] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03The Bitey Mustard [5963] (Score:1) 02Unencrypted browser sessions... - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 302 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:22:32] <dogfart> 08└─All the greater incentive to use a VPN. Advertisers forced ads upon us, we installed ad-blockers. ISPs snoop our data, we use VPN & encryption. If copyright holders, advertisers, ISPs & telcos treated their customers like customers instead of like their enemy, this kind of shit would not be necessar...
[08:22:32] <dogfart> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03frojack [1554] 02Re:Unencrypted browser sessions... - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 336 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:22:33] <dogfart> 08└─VPN? Really? So now in addition to a Comcast bill, you also want to sign up for a monthly VPN bill? And what company is the VPN's upstream? You guys are all running around chirping VPN, VPN. Like the new buzzword. What's up with that? Did Faraday cages and gravity wells wear out their novelty factor...
[08:22:34] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Unencrypted browser sessions... - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:22:35] <dogfart> 08└─Mod down cuz you not on the VPN bandwagon bro.
[08:22:36] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Unencrypted browser sessions... - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 21 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:22:37] <dogfart> 08└─Bro, do you even VPN?
[08:22:38] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Fnord666 [652] (Score:2) 02Re:Unencrypted browser sessions... - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 34 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:22:38] <dogfart> 08└─Why not just use HTTPS everywhere?
[08:22:39] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Unencrypted browser sessions... - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 684 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:22:40] <dogfart> 08└─It is my understanding that HTTPS *does* hide the specific URL you are visiting. That is one reason that so few websites support HTTPS. To use HTTPS, you need a dedicated IP address to get the certificate issued. This does not work well with (cheaper) shared hosting. You can now share an IP address...
[08:22:41] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Server Name Indication - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 332 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:22:42] <dogfart> 08└─Darn it. I even looked this up while composing my reply, but did not scroll far enough down the page RFC 4366 [ietf.org] (Server Name Indication) permits virtual hosting for SSL and is pretty old and well supported nowadays See http://wiki.apache.org [apache.org] fo...
[08:22:43] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02What the heck does this mean? - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 251 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:22:44] <dogfart> 08└─"Comcast intercepts the traffic between a user's computer and their servers, instead of installing software on the user's computer." Why on earth would they have do either of those things? I'd say both are borderline criminal and entirely unnecessary.
[08:22:45] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:What the heck does this mean? - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 251 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:22:45] <dogfart> 08└─"Comcast intercepts the traffic between a user's computer and their servers, instead of installing software on the user's computer." Why on earth would they have do either of those things? I'd say both are borderline criminal and entirely unnecessary.
[08:22:46] <dogfart> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03fritsd [4586] 02Turn it around - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 518 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:22:47] <dogfart> 08└─Turn it around. If you tapped into Comcast's business communications, and altered the information which they sent out in the belief that it would arrive as they intended at their communication partner. How would they react? Would they try to put you in jail for breaking wiretap or communications law...
[08:22:48] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03rob_on_earth [5485] (Score:1) 02It's not inconcievable - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 556 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:22:49] <dogfart> 08└─It's not inconcievable that a medical device on a comcast users network would request an unencrypted html page as part of its daily procedures and on seeing this extra code fail in an unexpected manor. So your first thought in response is that would never happen, but plently of medical and other spe...
[08:22:50] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score:2) 02Another reason all sites should use HTTPS - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 313 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:22:51] <dogfart> 08└─Good thing there's a technical solution... Not the first time we've seen ISPs screwing with unprotected HTTP connections. Other than its advantages in caching (for, say, Steam) and its simplicity in getting set-up and running (for, say, a web-dev 101 class), HTTP should really be treated as deprecat...
[08:22:52] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Re:Another reason all sites should use HTTPS - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 762 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:22:52] <dogfart> 08└─HTTPS self-signed-certificates are the devil's work - browsers push them as being far less secure than unencrypted certificates, which means you need a cert for your local web server on your local network, which means managing and pushing out your own certificates, managing them for all your servers...
[08:22:53] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Another reason all sites should use HTTPS - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 496 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:22:54] <dogfart> 08└─I always found it odd that browsers scream "bloody murder!" every time you try to connect to a self-signed website. But then, don't give out a peep when you connect to an unencrypted web-page that may or may not have been tampered with in transit. I know why they don't complain about the plain HTTP...
[08:22:55] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score:2) 02Re:Another reason all sites should use HTTPS - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:22:56] <dogfart> 08└─HTTPS self-signed-certificates are the devil's work
[08:22:57] <dogfart> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03jmoschner [3296] 02Safe Harbor - 06Comcast Injects Copyright Warnings Into Unencrypted Web Pages - 131 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:22:58] <dogfart> 08└─Since Comcast is now monitoring and altering content, doesn't that mean they are no longer protected under safe harbor in the DMCA?
[08:22:59] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03hedleyroos [4974] (Score:1) 02Whiles and wills - 06Zero Taxes for Startups in Albania - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:23:00] <dogfart> 08└─Maybe clean up the summary a bit? The word "while" is misused.
[08:23:00] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Geotti [1146] (Score:2) 02Tax Havens - 06Zero Taxes for Startups in Albania - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:23:01] <dogfart> 08└─I heard the Bahamas are great this time of the year... But nice try, Mr. Rama.
[08:23:02] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Tax Havens - 06Zero Taxes for Startups in Albania - 175 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:23:03] <dogfart> 08└─Prostitution is legal in parts of Nevada [wikipedia.org] (also, there's no state income tax for individuals or corporations, but there's a payroll tax after $50,000 [nv.gov]).
[08:23:04] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03nitehawk214 [1304] (Score:1) 02Zero taxes per Stargate Atlantis - 06Zero Taxes for Startups in Albania - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:23:05] <dogfart> 08└─Yeah, well it is in a different galaxy.
[08:23:05] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:3, Funny) 02Libertarian Paradise! - 06Zero Taxes for Startups in Albania - 415 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:23:06] <dogfart> 08└─Looks like Somalia will have some competition for the title of "Libertarian Paradise"! https://www.youtube.com [youtube.com] But I imagine that Albania may not allow open carry, or weapons possession at all, unless you are heading immediately to Kosovo. S...
[08:23:07] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anne Nonymous [712] (Score:2) 02Micro Business? - 06Zero Taxes for Startups in Albania - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:23:08] <dogfart> 08└─> annual turnover no more than 36,000 Euros Gee. Big spenders.
[08:23:09] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Micro Business? - 06Zero Taxes for Startups in Albania - 202 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:23:10] <dogfart> 08└─Average gross salary [wikipedia.org] 385 € / 430 $, monthly. So, that 36,000 euros looks pretty it could support about 10 people on average wages. Companies that size shouldn't be paying taxes anyway.
[08:23:11] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03SanityCheck [5190] (Score:2) 02Re:Micro Business? - 06Zero Taxes for Startups in Albania - 1162 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:23:12] <dogfart> 08└─Yes and no. I admire the desire to help new companies, having been part of startup scene here in NJ for some time. Most startups in pre-revenue phase don't pay taxes anyhow. I suppose trying to help a company with some revenue is seen as a way to give the company more money to reinvest int heir empl...
[08:23:12] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:2) 02Re:Micro Business? - 06Zero Taxes for Startups in Albania - 152 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:23:13] <dogfart> 08└─Yes, except for those pre-revenue startups who win competitions and hope to use that money as seed capital, only to have the IRS tax the crap out of it.
[08:23:14] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Micro Business? - 06Zero Taxes for Startups in Albania - 302 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:23:15] <dogfart> 08└─Two points: One: The abuses you are talking about generally don't happen with startup companies. It takes a while for start ups to acquire that level of desperation. Two: The story is about Albania, not New Jersey. My Uncle spent time in both places. He says your confusing the two is not that unusua...
[08:23:16] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03gnuman [5013] (Score:2) 02VAT in EU? - 06Zero Taxes for Startups in Albania - 891 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:23:17] <dogfart> 08└─I'm not in EU, I don't know how your VAT is suppose to work. But here in Canada, businesses do not normally pay VAT** (GST/HST) but are required to remit it. Which means if businesses have $100k in sales, they remit the VAT on those sales which they collect from customers less VAT that businesses pa...
[08:23:18] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 14 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:23:19] <dogfart> 08└─homemade clock
[08:23:19] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:23:20] <dogfart> 08└─Home-rebuilt clock. Satisfied?
[08:23:21] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 7 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:23:22] <dogfart> 08└─rebuilt
[08:23:23] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Troll) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 173 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:23:24] <dogfart> 08└─That damn raghead built a bomb! He was going to blow up a school filled with infidels and get his 72 virgins. Why are you libruls so damn thick, and why do you hate America?
[08:23:25] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 145 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:23:25] <dogfart> 08└─Have you ever built a computer? Made coffee/tea? "If you wish to make apple pie from scratch, you must first create the universe" - Carl Sagan
[08:23:26] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03darkfeline [1030] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 401 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:23:27] <dogfart> 08└─Even so, I think building a computer excludes buying a prebuilt machine and swapping some RAM, and making coffee excludes buying a cup from Starbucks and transferring it to your mug. Building a clock, in my opinion, includes such things as assembling a Raspberry Pi, some wires, LEDs, breadboards, et...
[08:23:28] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Touché) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 82 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:23:29] <dogfart> 08└─Building a clock, in my opinion, includes such things as assembling a Raspberry Pi
[08:23:30] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 20 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:23:31] <dogfart> 08└─Homemade clock case?
[08:23:32] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 12 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:23:33] <dogfart> 08└─Good enough.
[08:23:33] <dogfart> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Tork [3914] 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 26 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:23:34] <dogfart> 08└─He built a bigot-detector.
[08:23:35] <dogfart> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03moondoctor [2963] 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 557 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:23:36] <dogfart> 08└─He's a kid. He repackaged a clock. I did the same kind of stuff when I was little, enjoyed it and learned about how things work. This type of experimentation is something I believe should be encouraged and not belittled. He did 'build' and 'make' something. Characterising it as a scratch-built clock...
[08:23:37] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Funny) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 55 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:23:38] <dogfart> 08└─this is a question I wonder about for fun now and then.
[08:23:39] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Touché) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 137 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:23:40] <dogfart> 08└─Since most people who go to parties are insipid and shallow, I see no reason he would even attend such events. Thinking is alien to them.
[08:23:41] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03dyingtolive [952] (Score:3, Touché) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:23:41] <dogfart> 08└─I go to parties. We get drunk and talk about the stars. Maybe the problem is that people are going to the wrong parties with the wrong people.
[08:23:42] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 224 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:23:43] <dogfart> 08└─As an extreme introvert, parties are simply not my thing. Your description of a party sounds boring, as well as terrible because other people are there. That and I don't drink alcohol. Did I mention that I don't watch TV...?
[08:23:44] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Informative) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 216 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:23:45] <dogfart> 08└─> He's a kid. He repackaged a clock. He didn't just repackage it, he spent 20 minutes soldering major components together. [archive.org] Sounds to me like he took a couple of broken clocks and made one working clock.
[08:23:46] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:23:47] <dogfart> 08└─Bullshit-> http://blogs.artvoice.com [artvoice.com]
[08:23:48] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Insightful) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 507 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:23:48] <dogfart> 08└─Er no. Nothing in that blogger's post contradicts the kid's claim that he soldered some pieces together. Looks like he could have easily soldered the transformer and board with the buttons in 20 minutes. Furthermore there is tons of evidence that he's soldered all kinds of other things in the past....
[08:23:49] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Tork [3914] (Score:2) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 80 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:23:50] <dogfart> 08└─I think he was refuting the claim that it was two different clocks put together.
[08:23:51] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 233 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:23:52] <dogfart> 08└─> I think he was refuting the claim that it was two different clocks put together. Well it doesn't refute that either, you can't tell where the components came from previously. You can't even see the solder points on the transformer.
[08:23:53] <dogfart> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Anonymous Coward 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 1316 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:23:54] <dogfart> 08└─I know that everybody likes to relate this story about their own childhood, but let's not forget that Ahmed comes from a family that has literally spent his entire life pulling one theatrical stunt after another. I am willing to bet that his childhood is nothing like the childhood of anybody on Soyl...
[08:23:55] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 522 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:23:55] <dogfart> 08└─What the fuck does any of that have to do with this kid bringing a clock that could be viewed as a bomb in this paranoid society to school? All this fearmongering and panicking demonstrably leads to a reduction in liberties, makes people afraid to even do simple tinkering, and serves to disprove the...
[08:23:56] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Tork [3914] (Score:2) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 522 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:23:57] <dogfart> 08└─What the fuck does any of that have to do with this kid bringing a clock that could be viewed as a bomb in this paranoid society to school? All this fearmongering and panicking demonstrably leads to a reduction in liberties, makes people afraid to even do simple tinkering, and serves to disprove the...
[08:23:58] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 340 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:23:59] <dogfart> 08└─A family that repeatedly tries to enact sharia law, the thing ISIS was made for, sends a child to school with something that looks like a bomb, something ISIS does, and you disagree with him being arrested? If it walks like a terrorist, talks like a terrorist, and looks like a terrorist, maybe err o...
[08:24:00] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Interesting) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 318 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:24:01] <dogfart> 08└─I disagree with him being arrested, yes. What I care about is the constitution and freedom, not your stupid paranoia. What you seem to care about is some minuscule possibility that some reassembled clock could be a bomb. Continue to live your life in fear, I guess. maybe err on the side of preventi...
[08:24:02] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03CaTfiSh [5221] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 657 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:24:03] <dogfart> 08└─Not sure why you've been moderated down, but perhaps it was because you failed to mention that Ahmed's sister had been suspended 3 years earlier from a middle school in the same district for her own involvement in a bomb threat. http://www.breitbart.com
[08:24:04] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 57 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:24:04] <dogfart> 08└─Wow. Even Breitbart can't spin that to make her look bad.
[08:24:05] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 190 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:24:06] <dogfart> 08└─...but perhaps it was because you failed to mention that Ahmed's sister had been suspended 3 years earlier from a middle school in the same district for her own involvement in a bomb threat.
[08:24:07] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03CaTfiSh [5221] (Score:1) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 306 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:24:08] <dogfart> 08└─Fair enough, the details aren't out there specifically and the sister states it was someone else. Funny coincidence though, isn't it? Is it that much easier for you to believe that an entire town is out to target a single family, rather than their rather petulant and militant father has an agenda to...
[08:24:09] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Insightful) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 35 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:24:10] <dogfart> 08└─Funny coincidence though, isn't it?
[08:24:11] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anal Pumpernickel [776] (Score:2) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 719 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:24:12] <dogfart> 08└─It's much easier to believe that we live in a paranoid nation that will go insane over anything that could even conceivably be a bomb, even if the chances of that are 0.00000000000000000000000000000000001%. People making bomb jokes on Twitter spark a ridiculous response from the government. Then the...
[08:24:12] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:24:13] <dogfart> 08└─Wanna bet catfish would be the first to complain about that insanity if the victim weren't muslim?
[08:24:14] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03CaTfiSh [5221] (Score:1) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:24:15] <dogfart> 08└─You'd lose that bet, but nice try at deflecting my points by characterizing me as a bigot.
[08:24:16] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 72 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:24:17] <dogfart> 08└─So you would be totally OK with all the crazy shit happening to anybody?
[08:24:18] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03dyingtolive [952] (Score:2) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 396 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:24:18] <dogfart> 08└─You remember that time there was a bomb threat at a school? We had at least one yearly, and had only maybe 400 kids at the high school. I could count the number of not-white kids there on one hand. A Muslim kid would have provided us with countless amounts of fun, and all of what I'm saying is from...
[08:24:19] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Tork [3914] (Score:2) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:24:20] <dogfart> 08└─...but let's not forget that Ahmed comes from a family that has literally spent his entire life pulling one theatrical stunt after another.
[08:24:21] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 406 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:24:22] <dogfart> 08└─Yeah, so maybe his father is what we would call on the Internet a troll. But then, he has successfully trolled the government and the people of the United States time and time again. He knows just what buttons to push to make the US dance to his tune. If you keep on falling for a troll in the same w...
[08:24:23] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03JeanCroix [573] (Score:2) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:24:24] <dogfart> 08└─Because when one falls for trollbait on the internet, one generally doesn't get sued for $15M.
[08:24:25] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 209 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:24:26] <dogfart> 08└─Thats because one usually does not get trolled successfully enough to cause one to violate someone elses rights. Comparing this to internet trolling is like comparing an earthquake to a table with a shaky leg.
[08:24:26] <dogfart> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Ezber Bozmak [764] 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 1004 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:24:27] <dogfart> 08└─> From his father running twice for President of Sudan under a platform of implementing > strict Sharia law as the solution to that nation's woes That's utter bullshit. The guy is a Sufi. Sufis are the totally chill, party version of Islam. They are the ones who literally spin around to get high (wh...
[08:24:28] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 766 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:24:29] <dogfart> 08└─Literally everything you wrote is outright false or so misleading as to be effectively a lie. Ezber already hit the big ones, but I'll do the rest: > his father hired a lawyer just a few days before sending his kid to school His father only hired lawyers after his child was arrested and had his prop...
[08:24:30] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 184 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:24:31] <dogfart> 08└─Thank you for posting this, this is much closer to the uncovering the truth than people trying to blame racism and evil white racist bogeymen and everything else are ever going to get.
[08:24:32] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03fritsd [4586] (Score:2) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 234 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:24:33] <dogfart> 08└─It may be pretty simple in the grand scheme of things, but yes, he did 'build' something. How far does it go, does one have to mine the ore and silicon also? Not being facetious, this is a question I wonder about for fun now and then.
[08:24:33] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03dyingtolive [952] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 414 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:24:34] <dogfart> 08└─I "built a clock". Earlier this year actually. Used an old Soviet VFD I got on ebay, an arduino, a shift register IC, an RTC IC and a voltage regulator. There were also some capacitors and resistors. Did I build a clock? I didn't pour the elctrolyte, or make any of the components. I used manufacture...
[08:24:35] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:24:36] <dogfart> 08└─You used old Soviet parts? You are lucky you didn't get sent to gitmo.
[08:24:37] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03dyingtolive [952] (Score:2) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 512 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:24:38] <dogfart> 08└─No doubt. They wouldn't deliver them to my door. Made me show up at the post office to pick them up. In this day and age, nervous was an understatement for how I felt when I showed up to collect. I expected federal marshals or something there for me. After I left, I regained composure quite a bit. T...
[08:24:39] <dogfart> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03vux984 [5045] 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 1578 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:24:40] <dogfart> 08└─Really? If his parents had bought him a birdhouse kit and he built that and brought it to school, nobody would blink twice at him calling it a homemade bird house that he built at home. Hell.. I've even made clocks in woodshop in highschool... and my contribution to the "clock" part was little more...
[08:24:40] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Tork [3914] (Score:2) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 988 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:24:41] <dogfart> 08└─I really don't get why people are trying to hold him to that standard. He tinkered. Tinkering shows an interest in learning. Unless you've got a citation for a fair number of students at that school showing off their own projects I'm out of ideas about what's so wrong about his puffery. Heck, I chan...
[08:24:42] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03PartTimeZombie [4827] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:24:43] <dogfart> 08└─I really don't get why people are trying to hold him to that standard.
[08:24:44] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Knowledge Troll [5948] (Score:2, Interesting) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 81 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:24:45] <dogfart> 08└─It's weird really, the amount of criticism of this boy I've seen on the Internet.
[08:24:46] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Ceci n'est pas un subject - 06Ahmed The Clock Kid Suing School and Police For $15,000,000.00 - 913 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:24:46] <dogfart> 08└─> It's weird really, the amount of criticism of this boy I've seen on the Internet. You are seeing bigotry in action. I am not joking. Every bigot with an IQ over 80 knows he has have to have a reason to hate the people in his chosen group of persecution. It doesn't have to stand up to scrutiny, it...
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[09:14:27] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Jaruzel [812] (Score:2) 02Oh Really? - 06Debunking a 12th Century Tourist Trap - 635 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[09:14:27] <dogfart> 08└─As a native brit, and having had Ancient English focused history education as part of my primary schooling (5-11), I and I'm sure 90% of other brits, have never been in any doubt that the Arthurian Legend is nothing more than... a legend. Never at any point has it ever been taught that it was histor...
[09:14:35] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Tork [3914] (Score:2) 02i got nuffin - 06Ex-Atari Employee Dumps Email Logs from 1982-1992 - 169 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[09:14:35] <dogfart> 08└─I have no real comment to make on this one, but I did enjoy reading it. I love the 80's and 90's eras of arcade gamine, would love to know more about what went in to it.
[09:14:36] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Privacy be Damned - 06Ex-Atari Employee Dumps Email Logs from 1982-1992 - 316 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[09:14:37] <dogfart> 08└─Yeah sure OK. Lemme see your email logs containing all the sexy emails that you sent to your mistress. Your private emails will be historically significant as soon as your wife divorces you. Expectation of email privacy? What The Fuck is privacy??? Soystain Nerds don't care about Privacy!! You. Fuck...
[09:14:47] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02the point of the submission - 06The Dystopian Lake Filled by the World’s Tech Lust - 257 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[09:14:48] <dogfart> 08└─was to point out the irony that all the new so called "environmentally friendly" technologies like electric cars still require dirty industries to make them happen they only seem environmentally friendly because the pollution is being created somewhere else
[09:14:48] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Schafer2 [348] (Score:1) 02Re:the point of the submission - 06The Dystopian Lake Filled by the World’s Tech Lust - 121 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:14:49] <dogfart> 08└─AC induction electric motors, like used in Tesla vehicles, do not use magnets. The rotor field is induced, thus the name.
[09:15:14] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Mormon and Latter Day Saints Trademarked - 06Russian Court has Ruled the Church of Scientology Should be Dissolved - 450 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:15:14] <dogfart> 08└─The other things require gathering evidence. In this case, all it takes is a TRADE mark. By definition, this is used in TRADE, i.e. business, not religion. It's much easier when the accused bring their own legally binding evidence. And just because we have worse crimes, doesn't mean we should shut d...
[09:15:21] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Religions and Trademarks - 06Russian Court has Ruled the Church of Scientology Should be Dissolved - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:15:21] <dogfart> 08└─I do not think it is unfair to allow Scientology to protect their name like any other business.
[09:15:35] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Great - 06Russian Court has Ruled the Church of Scientology Should be Dissolved - 20 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[09:15:35] <dogfart> 08└─Dissolve islam next?
[09:16:30] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03NullPtr [3786] (Score:2) 02Re:Acronyms! - 06Imagination Technologies Launches Creator Ci40 Kickstarter - 151 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:16:31] <dogfart> 08└─No. This is a nerd site; you can be expected to know a few modern/technical buzzwords. We don't want to end up like Slashdot; full of idiots and users.
[09:18:54] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Correction to article - 06PHP - Thread Carefully - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:18:54] <dogfart> 08└─why didn't you say "fuck $whatever_api_you_were_using"? classic case of throwing the baby out with the bathwater
[09:19:02] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:There are better tools - 06PHP - Thread Carefully - 61 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:19:02] <dogfart> 08└─slowly grew to become a popular tool for making dynamic sites
[09:19:42] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:not surprising - 06Vatican Charges 5 Over Leaks, Alleges "Organized Crime" - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:19:43] <dogfart> 08└─they protect child sex offenders instead
[09:19:43] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:not surprising - 06Vatican Charges 5 Over Leaks, Alleges "Organized Crime" - 58 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:19:44] <dogfart> 08└─Fairly sure people don't get beheaded in St peters square.
[09:19:44] <dogfart> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:not surprising - 06Vatican Charges 5 Over Leaks, Alleges "Organized Crime" - 43 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:19:45] <dogfart> 08└─derp. thought first one didn't work. my bad
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