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[07:33:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Legibility? - 06Zero-Day Broker Publishes a Price Chart for Different Classes of Digital Intrusion - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:33:50] <exec> 08└─The actual data is in an image that is designed to be pretty, and therefore practically unparsable.
[07:34:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Troll) 02right - 06 Ancient Board Game Found in Looted China Tomb - 69 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:05] <exec> 08└─More propaganda fron that China has the oldest civilization blah blah
[07:34:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03PartTimeZombie [4827] (Score:2) 02Wiped Tapes - 06Moon Landing Tapes Got Erased, NASA Admits - 138 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:14] <exec> 08└─It's a bit harsh to blame NASA for wiping the tapes. This seems to have been SOP in those days. The lost Dr. Who episodes worries me more.
[07:34:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03nitehawk214 [1304] (Score:2, Insightful) 02Re:Wiped Tapes - 06Moon Landing Tapes Got Erased, NASA Admits - 169 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:34:16] <exec> 08└─They were aware at the time that they were doing the greatest journey in the history of mankind. One would think they could have spared a couple of shelves for the film.
[07:34:17] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03isostatic [365] 02Re:Wiped Tapes - 06Moon Landing Tapes Got Erased, NASA Admits - 59 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:34:18] <exec> 08└─Sure, that's true for doctor who, but for the moon landing?
[07:34:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0, Funny) 02Re:Wiped Tapes - 06Moon Landing Tapes Got Erased, NASA Admits - 106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:34:20] <exec> 08└─You mean the moon "landing" that is about as real as "the doctor" or even the "moon"? That moon "landing"?
[07:34:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score:2) 02Re:Wiped Tapes - 06Moon Landing Tapes Got Erased, NASA Admits - 369 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:34:21] <exec> 08└─Gah, looks like even the morons have jumped-ship from /. The most concise way to crush your absurd conspiracy-theory is this: If the moon landing was faked, that means the Russians (who were watching closely) were playing along too, which essentially means you're claiming the entire Cold War was fak...
[07:34:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Tork [3914] (Score:2) 02Re:Wiped Tapes - 06Moon Landing Tapes Got Erased, NASA Admits - 47 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:34:23] <exec> 08└─Can't tell if spot-on satire or complete moron.
[07:34:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Wiped Tapes - 06Moon Landing Tapes Got Erased, NASA Admits - 288 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:34:25] <exec> 08└─Yeah, but the weren't erased right then, but years later lumped in with 200,000 other reels. These days, they would have immediately been plopped in gold film cans, sealed in the presence of armed guards, and whisked off to the Smithsonian in an armored vehicle. Those were simpler times.
[07:34:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Wootery [2341] (Score:2) 02Re:Wiped Tapes - 06Moon Landing Tapes Got Erased, NASA Admits - 241 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:34:27] <exec> 08└─But storing a master copy means far less today than it did back then. It's absurd that they didn't think to take good care of that tape. It's a black eye for NASA, but not a huge one - the footage isn't lost forever, just the original tapes.
[07:34:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03davester666 [155] (Score:2) 02Re:Wiped Tapes - 06Moon Landing Tapes Got Erased, NASA Admits - 75 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:34:29] <exec> 08└─They just went back to the original soundstage and made new master tapes...
[07:34:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03mhajicek [51] (Score:2) 02Re:Wiped Tapes - 06Moon Landing Tapes Got Erased, NASA Admits - 106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:34:30] <exec> 08└─Well they had to edit out the call to arms against the Silence before re-releasing the moon landing tapes.
[07:34:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02related Wikipedia pages - 06Moon Landing Tapes Got Erased, NASA Admits - 136 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:32] <exec> 08└─https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_television_Apollo_11_coverage [wikipedia.org] https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org]
[07:34:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03VortexCortex [4067] (Score:4, Interesting) 02Yes, but what are the implication for Mars? - 06Moon Landing Tapes Got Erased, NASA Admits - 2434 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:34] <exec> 08└─Since I was a youngling, I've always been fascinated by Cosmic Rays. With ordinary digital cameras you can pick them up hitting the CMOS here on earth. By comparing CPU output from a previously computed series of instructions you can also detect their frequency with a server rack. The ISS crew often...
[07:34:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Immerman [3985] (Score:2) 02Re:Yes, but what are the implication for Mars? - 06Moon Landing Tapes Got Erased, NASA Admits - 915 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:34:35] <exec> 08└─I'm not so sure. The camera would shielded from cosmic rays coming through the moon - that's probably more than half of the total off the top (since they landed in Mare Tranquillitatis, though I have no idea how high the basin walls would be on he horizon). Meanwhile the Earth's magnetosphere would...
[07:34:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Yes, but what are the implication for Mars? - 06Moon Landing Tapes Got Erased, NASA Admits - 282 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:34:37] <exec> 08└─The original airing of the Moon Landing appeared free of interference with cosmic rays, as were the photographic film rolls they brought back from the Apollo mission. There was a deal of static and interference, but no "inexplicable" bright blips as one would expect of cosmic rays.
[07:34:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Missing a noun somewhere? - 06Moon Landing Tapes Got Erased, NASA Admits - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:39] <exec> 08└─The original recordings of the first humans landing on the moon 40 years ago were erased and re-used,
[07:34:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Missing a noun somewhere? - 06Moon Landing Tapes Got Erased, NASA Admits - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:34:40] <exec> 08└─The magnetic tapes, upon which the recordings had been made, were erased and re-used.
[07:34:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Spam) 02java multicore intelligence - 06Moon Landing Tapes Got Erased, NASA Admits - 15 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:42] <exec> 08└─I want a reply.
[07:34:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02"erased" - 06Moon Landing Tapes Got Erased, NASA Admits - 13 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:44] <exec> 08└─on "accident"
[07:34:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02in before - 06Moon Landing Tapes Got Erased, NASA Admits - 327 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:46] <exec> 08└─Cue the conspiracists: OMG, NASA is tacitly admitting the moon landings were fake, and they're erasing the faked videos! Now they're releasing the real digital data, so we can see that the sets were actually in the deserts, right here on earth! Oh, wait - no, the videos don't show the camera crews i...
[07:34:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:in before - 06Moon Landing Tapes Got Erased, NASA Admits - 434 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:34:47] <exec> 08└─And the released videos are about the quality I saw on my black and white TV back in the day. At that time, My jaw dropped at the quality. All the way from the Moon!!! I stood there lunch pail in hand risking being late for work because was I bound and determined to see the first step on the moon. I...
[07:34:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Telling your age, Frojack! - 06Moon Landing Tapes Got Erased, NASA Admits - 179 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:34:49] <exec> 08└─July 1969 was the summer between 7th and 8th grades in junior high. I didn't watch the landing live, I had more pressing problems in my life at the time. Note my screen name . . .
[07:34:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Funny) 02Re:Telling your age, Frojack! - 06Moon Landing Tapes Got Erased, NASA Admits - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:34:51] <exec> 08└─Note my screen name . . .
[07:34:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Funny) 02The VP is giving a speech on quality control - 06Moon Landing Tapes Got Erased, NASA Admits - 93 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:53] <exec> 08└─Don't tell me we don't have any blank tapes. Get me a tape, now! Showtime is in five minutes!
[07:34:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Is this the same Cisco - 06How Cisco is Trying to Keep NSA Spies Out of its Gear - 207 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:54] <exec> 08└─That comes with hard coded authorized SSH keys? https://soylentnews.org [soylentnews.org] https://soylentnews.org [soylentnews.org]
[07:34:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Spam) 02Re:Is this the same Cisco - 06How Cisco is Trying to Keep NSA Spies Out of its Gear - 74 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:34:56] <exec> 08└─In other news, New Jersey criminalizes ArchLinux use. [huffingtonpost.com]
[07:34:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snow [1601] (Score:2) 02Re:Is this the same Cisco - 06How Cisco is Trying to Keep NSA Spies Out of its Gear - 157 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:34:58] <exec> 08└─I miss the effort that trolls used to put into their messages. Trolling used to be an art, but like most other things has become a husk of it's former glory.
[07:34:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Is this the same Cisco - 06How Cisco is Trying to Keep NSA Spies Out of its Gear - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:34:59] <exec> 08└─And yet you still responded, dog fucker.
[07:35:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Is this the same Cisco - 06How Cisco is Trying to Keep NSA Spies Out of its Gear - 307 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:02] <exec> 08└─These days disagreement with the messages makes it troll. This is especially true on this site. Vote = (Disagree with the comment) ? Troll : Not_troll; And it has made voting messages as troll (like the above) completely pointless. Thank $Deity, "Spam" mod is still useful and not abused by modding a...
[07:35:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03BananaPhone [2488] (Score:2) 02Doesn't matter, their allegiance is already known. - 06How Cisco is Trying to Keep NSA Spies Out of its Gear - 313 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:03] <exec> 08└─Doesn't matter, their allegiance is already known. They will bow and crumple to bad laws and politicians without even putting up a fight. Should anyone TRULY trust a company that will put profits before Justice, freedom, and the right thing to do*? *The current "American Way" is no longer "the right...
[07:35:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:Doesn't matter, their allegiance is already kno - 06How Cisco is Trying to Keep NSA Spies Out of its Gear - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:05] <exec> 08└─If it kills overseas sales, they will not pledge allegiance to the United States. That's the silver lining in all this.
[07:35:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Doesn't matter, their allegiance is already kno - 06How Cisco is Trying to Keep NSA Spies Out of its Gear - 327 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:06] <exec> 08└─It's too late. At best they've been horrifyingly negligent in the design of their hardware and software in ways which make it impossible to keep the NSA out or even verify that your devices are clean. At worst they're outright colluding with them. Trust is an almost impossible thing to win back once...
[07:35:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheGratefulNet [659] (Score:2) 02Re:Doesn't matter, their allegiance is already kno - 06How Cisco is Trying to Keep NSA Spies Out of its Gear - 1108 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:08] <exec> 08└─disagree. if the US is saying something to cisco, they listen. PERIOD. full stop. who's your daddy? cisco knows. and its not just cisco. all US companies 'have' to comply with any order that comes from a perceived authority. they could care less about your privacy or security. security theater is al...
[07:35:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Doesn't matter, their allegiance is already kno - 06How Cisco is Trying to Keep NSA Spies Out of its Gear - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:10] <exec> 08└─f the US is saying something to cisco, they listen. PERIOD.
[07:35:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Doesn't matter, their allegiance is already kno - 06How Cisco is Trying to Keep NSA Spies Out of its Gear - 28 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:12] <exec> 08└─Someone is incredibly naive.
[07:35:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Doesn't matter, their allegiance is already kno - 06How Cisco is Trying to Keep NSA Spies Out of its Gear - 82 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:14] <exec> 08└─So the known vulnerabilities shipped with enterprise hardware don't matter to you?
[07:35:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Insightful) 02CALEA says you're full of shit - 06How Cisco is Trying to Keep NSA Spies Out of its Gear - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:15] <exec> 08└─https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communications_Assistance_for_Law_Enforcement_Act [wikipedia.org]
[07:35:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score:2) 02Bah, screw source - 06How Cisco is Trying to Keep NSA Spies Out of its Gear - 693 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:17] <exec> 08└─Really, when talking about real spying who cares about the source code? An infestation could be at any level. Can you trust the silicon doesn't have any special features? A RAM chip that has an entire computer hidden away on a second die layer beavering away at the data passing by, ready to inject p...
[07:35:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Flamebait) 02Re:Bah, screw source - 06How Cisco is Trying to Keep NSA Spies Out of its Gear - 41 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:19] <exec> 08└─Idiot alert! *whoop* *whoop* Idiot alert!
[07:35:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score:2) 02Re:Bah, screw source - 06How Cisco is Trying to Keep NSA Spies Out of its Gear - 362 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:20] <exec> 08└─Take a look at this: Serial to Ethernet Module [adhplc.com] and consider two things. One, this is off the shelf stuff and two they can transparently share an ethernet port, every server with IPMI and no dedicated LAN port for it has the electronics for it. Don't think a nation state actor can integr...
[07:35:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Bah, screw source - 06How Cisco is Trying to Keep NSA Spies Out of its Gear - 216 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:22] <exec> 08└─Have you seen how small some things can be made? If the only task is to gather data and pass it along then you don't need much... Common? No. Possible? Yes. CPUs started having unique identifiers quite a while ago...
[07:35:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03bradley13 [3053] (Score:2) 02Perhaps we should thank the NSA - 06How Cisco is Trying to Keep NSA Spies Out of its Gear - 756 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:24] <exec> 08└─In some sense, we owe the NSA a "thank you". Their over-the-top spying has made many of us, and many companies, aware of the vulnerability of our collective data. Google encrypting all of their internal communications, Cisco raising the security of their routers, the Lets Encrypt initiative, and muc...
[07:35:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Offtopic) 02ArchLinux: Dog fuckers - 06Hacking Smartwatches - the TomTom Runner, Part 1 - 64 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:25] <exec> 08└─ArchLinux: We're out of control fucking dogs!! [dailymail.co.uk]
[07:35:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Jiro [3176] (Score:2) 02Not again - 06Hacking Smartwatches - the TomTom Runner, Part 1 - 312 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:27] <exec> 08└─Phoenix666 writes: tl;dr: this is a series of posts about embedded firmware hacking and reverse engineering of a IoT device, a TomTom Runner GPS Smartwatch. Slidedecks of this work will be available here when I complete this series... I will show you how I hacked a TomTom Runner GPS Sma...
[07:35:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:2) 02Re:Not again - 06Hacking Smartwatches - the TomTom Runner, Part 1 - 246 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:29] <exec> 08└─An obtuse way of filing a bug report to change the string "writes:" to "submitted this story:" Annoyingly I'd never noticed that before and now every article I look at has that and it attracts by brain, having been pointed out. Its a brain virus!
[07:35:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Not again - 06Hacking Smartwatches - the TomTom Runner, Part 1 - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:31] <exec> 08└─It also says "Phoenix666 writes" which should be "Phoenix666 stuffed the SoylentNews submission with"
[07:35:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:4, Interesting) 02Nice story - 06Hacking Smartwatches - the TomTom Runner, Part 1 - 2200 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:32] <exec> 08└─Nice story. Dude was lucky times a zillion. Someone else wrote ttwatch to mess with raw memory files and the protocol doesn't care about auth. The firmware itself is encrypted but not write access to memory. So you can load whatever you want on. Lucky dude. The memory writer could have demanded any...
[07:35:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Welcome to the internet of things - 06Hacking Smartwatches - the TomTom Runner, Part 1 - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:34] <exec> 08└─Where everything is wonderful if you're a hacker or a cracker and horrible is you're not.
[07:35:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Spam) 02ArchLinux users fuck dogs - 06Humans Are Not Unitary Individuals But Superorganisms - 54 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:36] <exec> 08└─ArchLinux users are out of control!! [dailymail.co.uk]
[07:35:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03dyingtolive [952] (Score:0, Offtopic) 02Re:ArchLinux users fuck dogs - 06Humans Are Not Unitary Individuals But Superorganisms - 31 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:37] <exec> 08└─What the actual fuck, humanity?
[07:35:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Troll) 02Re:ArchLinux users fuck dogs - 06Humans Are Not Unitary Individuals But Superorganisms - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:39] <exec> 08└─I agree. ArchLinux users are sick fucks. [orlandosentinel.com]
[07:35:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score:1) 02Re:ArchLinux users fuck dogs - 06Humans Are Not Unitary Individuals But Superorganisms - 123 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:41] <exec> 08└─...judging from the looks of that guy, I doubt he even owns a computer. He probably thinks Linux is some kind of motor oil.
[07:35:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:ArchLinux users fuck dogs - 06Humans Are Not Unitary Individuals But Superorganisms - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:42] <exec> 08└─Ummm... No shit? Good job figuring that out, Aspergers man.
[07:35:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03WittyUserName [2401] (Score:3, Informative) 02Cat people - 06Humans Are Not Unitary Individuals But Superorganisms - 299 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:44] <exec> 08└─I believe this may explain why some people are so obsessive about cats. The same microbe that affects rats, may affect humans as well, which may explain some peoples rather peculiar behaviour towards cats. Not something I personally understand being the one of those superior people who prefer dogs.
[07:35:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:2) 02Re:Cat people - 06Humans Are Not Unitary Individuals But Superorganisms - 32 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:46] <exec> 08└─https://xkcd.com/231/ [xkcd.com]
[07:35:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Cat people - 06Humans Are Not Unitary Individuals But Superorganisms - 357 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:48] <exec> 08└─I thought we mostly got Toxoplasma Gondii from cat and rabbit feces; infection rates among cat owners are near 100% IIRC. Now the question is, do we have this parasite because we have cats, or do we have cats because we have the parasite? (I'm typing this with one of my cats laying in my neck, the o...
[07:35:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03zeigerpuppy [1298] (Score:2) 02Re:Cat people - 06Humans Are Not Unitary Individuals But Superorganisms - 205 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:49] <exec> 08└─Finally! I think it's all making sense now; I'm a cat person and also drawn to varieties of self-destructive acts; Most of them are fun; but I'm sure that must be the worm squeezing my nucleus accumbens...
[07:35:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Francis [5544] (Score:2, Insightful) 02Re:Cat people - 06Humans Are Not Unitary Individuals But Superorganisms - 226 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:51] <exec> 08└─LOL, so being the one that carries the bag of poop around makes you superior to the people that have their pet trained to do it in a box for convenient removal? Or the ones that have the cat actually trained to use the toilet?
[07:35:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Cat people - 06Humans Are Not Unitary Individuals But Superorganisms - 337 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:53] <exec> 08└─25 years ago I had a cat who sat on the toilet to do her things. Unfortunately she sometimes put her paws in the bowl afterwards. She also climbed on the handle and used her weight on the edge of it to open doors. Newer cats here are total retards in comparison - maybe pollution, cellphone freqs and...
[07:35:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02Re:Cat people - 06Humans Are Not Unitary Individuals But Superorganisms - 253 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:55] <exec> 08└─so being the one that carries the bag of poop around makes you superior to the people that have their pet trained to do it in a box for convenient removal? I would recommend emptying your cat box with a bag. Not going to fall for that one twice!
[07:35:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Cat people - 06Humans Are Not Unitary Individuals But Superorganisms - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:56] <exec> 08└─the one that carries the bag of poop around...
[07:35:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Cat people - 06Humans Are Not Unitary Individuals But Superorganisms - 210 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:58] <exec> 08└─I don't really like cats but I like dogs. I eat garlic which is antimicrobic. Perhaps that's why I'm not a big cat fan. So the question is what makes me more of a dog lover? Perhaps parasites that feed on dogs?
[07:35:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Cat people - 06Humans Are Not Unitary Individuals But Superorganisms - 69 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:00] <exec> 08└─Dogs love stinky shit, like the garlic stench oozing from your pores.
[07:36:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0, Funny) 02That explains Caitlyn Jenner - 06Humans Are Not Unitary Individuals But Superorganisms - 26 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:01] <exec> 08└─What about the rest of us?
[07:36:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Offtopic) 02java multicore intelligence - 06Humans Are Not Unitary Individuals But Superorganisms - 152 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:03] <exec> 08└─the primitives are there in the root class anyway. you use the natural randomness of processor and thread scheduling to come to appropriate conclusions.
[07:36:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Offtopic) 02Re:java multicore intelligence - 06Humans Are Not Unitary Individuals But Superorganisms - 9 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:05] <exec> 08└─plz reply
[07:36:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03SubiculumHammer [5191] (Score:4, Interesting) 02The Evolutionary Origins of a Crude Superorganism - 06Humans Are Not Unitary Individuals But Superorganisms - 432 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:06] <exec> 08└─I read this a while back. I haven't re-read, but I thought it was really cool then: http://www.des.ucdavis.edu [ucdavis.edu] Complex Societies: The Evolutionary Origins of a Crude Superorganism Peter J. Richerson Department of Environmental Science and Management Univer...
[07:36:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03PartTimeZombie [4827] (Score:3, Informative) 02No! - 06Humans Are Not Unitary Individuals But Superorganisms - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:08] <exec> 08└─Those of us who make up PartTimeZombie think this story is wrong.
[07:36:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:2) 02To be pregnant with boys gives women XY - 06Humans Are Not Unitary Individuals But Superorganisms - 289 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:10] <exec> 08└─This result was widely regarded as surprising but makes perfect sense to me as a physicist. To be pregnant with girls doubtlessly gives the mother the XX chromosomes of their daughter but the study looked for XY from boys as that is easier to distinguish from the mother's own chromosomes.
[07:36:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheRaven [270] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Think of the placebos! - 06AMA Calls for Ban on Direct to Consumer Advertising of Prescription Drugs - 429 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:12] <exec> 08└─On the one hand, I agree and find it insane when I visit the USA that you guys allow this. On the other hand, it does appear that the pharmaceutical adverts in the US are one of the causal factors in the fact that placebos have become measurably more effective in the USA (but not Europe) over the pa...
[07:36:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Funny) 02Re:Think of the placebos! - 06AMA Calls for Ban on Direct to Consumer Advertising of Prescription Drugs - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:13] <exec> 08└─But when will they call for the banning of LUGs run by ArchLinux users? [dailymail.co.uk]
[07:36:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:1, Troll) 02Re:Think of the placebos! - 06AMA Calls for Ban on Direct to Consumer Advertising of Prescription Drugs - 74 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:15] <exec> 08└─placebos have become measurably more effective in the USA (but not Europe)
[07:36:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Flamebait) 02Re:Think of the placebos! - 06AMA Calls for Ban on Direct to Consumer Advertising of Prescription Drugs - 26 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:16] <exec> 08└─Lick my taint, dog fucker.
[07:36:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Hawkwind [3531] (Score:4, Informative) 02Re:Think of the placebos! - 06AMA Calls for Ban on Direct to Consumer Advertising of Prescription Drugs - 188 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:18] <exec> 08└─http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/placebo-effect-grows-in-u-s-thwarting-development-of-painkillers/ [scientificamerican.com] https://startpage.com [startpage.com]
[07:36:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Re:Think of the placebos! - 06AMA Calls for Ban on Direct to Consumer Advertising of Prescription Drugs - 196 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:20] <exec> 08└─https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?sid=10019&cid=248502#commentwrap OK, that's not a link to the paper, that's a link to you commenting on the story about the research when it was presented here.
[07:36:21] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03bziman [3577] 02That would be freakin' awesome! - 06AMA Calls for Ban on Direct to Consumer Advertising of Prescription Drugs - 490 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:22] <exec> 08└─Recently, I've been seeing ads on TV for Neulasta, which helped keep me alive a few years back, and at the time, ran somewhere in excess of $10,000 a dose. Amgen spends over $200 million a year on advertising. No one is going to go out and buy Neulasta for fun. And if you're getting chemotherapy, ch...
[07:36:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:That would be freakin' awesome! - 06AMA Calls for Ban on Direct to Consumer Advertising of Prescription Drugs - 401 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:23] <exec> 08└─This is part of having a monopoly. In a monopoly spending money (ANY money) can help your bottom line. Wahhhhat? You might ask. In a monopoly marginal cost dictates the real price. It will not be the optimum market price. But the max profit price for the monopoly. So literally if you make something...
[07:36:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Offtopic) 02Re:That would be freakin' awesome! - 06AMA Calls for Ban on Direct to Consumer Advertising of Prescription Drugs - 206 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:26] <exec> 08└─Cool story, brah. But what is most important is how we can stop the atrocities committed by ArchLinux users so that mothers like this [examiner.com] no longer have to apologize for the antics of their sons.
[07:36:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Subsentient [1111] (Score:2) 02Re:That would be freakin' awesome! - 06AMA Calls for Ban on Direct to Consumer Advertising of Prescription Drugs - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:27] <exec> 08└─Easy. We get a chainsaw, fire it up, hold you down, and slowly insert it into your rectum.
[07:36:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Only 2 countries stupid enough to allow it - 06AMA Calls for Ban on Direct to Consumer Advertising of Prescription Drugs - 146 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:29] <exec> 08└─USA and New Zealand... I haven't read the fine print of the TPPA but I wouldn't be surprised if direct to consumer advertising is enshrined in it.
[07:36:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03PartTimeZombie [4827] (Score:2) 02Re:Only 2 countries stupid enough to allow it - 06AMA Calls for Ban on Direct to Consumer Advertising of Prescription Drugs - 273 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:31] <exec> 08└─I'm not sure New Zealand does allow it. New Zealand's TV advertising is quite heavily regulated, and I can't remember the last time I saw a drug ad on TV. (Don't take that to mean you're wrong, maybe they advertise during the day when I'm at work). Source: I live in NZ.
[07:36:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Only 2 countries stupid enough to allow it - 06AMA Calls for Ban on Direct to Consumer Advertising of Prescription Drugs - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:33] <exec> 08└─Wrong, these ads are all over Canadian TV too.
[07:36:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03chromas [34] (Score:3, Funny) 02Hypopharmaceutica - 06AMA Calls for Ban on Direct to Consumer Advertising of Prescription Drugs - 190 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:34] <exec> 08└─I find this very concerning. Look, when I get a rash and go visit a doctor with years of biology, chemistry and other medical training, he expects me to ask him about some stuff I saw on tv.
[07:36:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03SDRefugee [4477] (Score:1) 02Re:Hypopharmaceutica - 06AMA Calls for Ban on Direct to Consumer Advertising of Prescription Drugs - 256 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:36] <exec> 08└─I really *doubt* the doctor is *expecting* you to ask him about shit you see on tv.. I sure the hell wouldn't... Its the mindless marketing drones from "Big Pharma" doing that.. The ONLY thing I even trust for any medical info besides my doctor is WebMD...
[07:36:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Freeman [732] (Score:2) 02Re:Hypopharmaceutica - 06AMA Calls for Ban on Direct to Consumer Advertising of Prescription Drugs - 157 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:38] <exec> 08└─http://www.mayoclinic.org/ [mayoclinic.org] Mayo Clinic is a good repository of information as well. In fact I would rank Mayo Clinic much higher than WebMD.
[07:36:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Hypopharmaceutica - 06AMA Calls for Ban on Direct to Consumer Advertising of Prescription Drugs - 166 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:39] <exec> 08└─Read the by-lines on Mayo and webmd, and you often find they are the same bunch of doctors. And when they are, some of the articles are almost word for word the same.
[07:36:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:Hypopharmaceutica - 06AMA Calls for Ban on Direct to Consumer Advertising of Prescription Drugs - 1909 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:41] <exec> 08└─OMG! frojack has lifted the veil! All our doctors are actually Robots! It's just like in the end of the Star Wars before the suck, when Luke got his hand fixed by that droid doctor. Of course that was well before Luke was delivered by a droid doctor, and well before, or actually about the same tim...
[07:36:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Hypopharmaceutica - 06AMA Calls for Ban on Direct to Consumer Advertising of Prescription Drugs - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:43] <exec> 08└─I really *doubt* the doctor is *expecting* you to ask him about shit you see on tv.
[07:36:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Hypopharmaceutica - 06AMA Calls for Ban on Direct to Consumer Advertising of Prescription Drugs - 241 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:44] <exec> 08└─Correction: You can look up doctors from Links on that page: http://projects.propublica.org [propublica.org] (This even finds meals paid for by medical vendors, or symposiums attended for free paid for by drug companies).
[07:36:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:2) 02Re:Hypopharmaceutica - 06AMA Calls for Ban on Direct to Consumer Advertising of Prescription Drugs - 370 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:46] <exec> 08└─Its your broker who's really expecting it. Some complaining about periodic discussion of this topic is there are some weird corporate ads on CNBC (a dying cable network for financial news) for the strangest non-consumer companies and immediately the whining breaks out about how will judges tell the...
[07:36:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Marand [1081] (Score:1, Troll) 02Re:Hypopharmaceutica - 06AMA Calls for Ban on Direct to Consumer Advertising of Prescription Drugs - 190 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:48] <exec> 08└─I find this very concerning. Look, when I get a rash and go visit a doctor with years of biology, chemistry and other medical training, he expects me to ask him about some stuff I saw on tv.
[07:36:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Dunbal [3515] (Score:2) 02Re:Hypopharmaceutica - 06AMA Calls for Ban on Direct to Consumer Advertising of Prescription Drugs - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:50] <exec> 08└─Everything was just met with some form of "I can't tell you that, pick something and gtfo"
[07:36:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Offtopic) 02Sheldon Cooper will finally have sex - 06AMA Calls for Ban on Direct to Consumer Advertising of Prescription Drugs - 879 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:51] <exec> 08└─"For Sheldon Cooper, sex is no longer going to be just a theory. At Tuesday’s taping of the Dec. 17 episode of CBS' The Big Bang Theory, brilliant, awkward scientists Sheldon (Jim Parsons) and Amy Farrah Fowler (Mayim Bialik) lose their virginity together. After the taping in front of a studio aud...
[07:36:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Offtopic) 02An announcement on general intelligence - 06AMA Calls for Ban on Direct to Consumer Advertising of Prescription Drugs - 64 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:53] <exec> 08└─I will be creating general intelligence using Java on multicore.
[07:36:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03MrGuy [1007] (Score:2) 02Lameness Filter Is Lame - 06AMA Calls for Ban on Direct to Consumer Advertising of Prescription Drugs - 278 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:55] <exec> 08└─I'm a registered, logged in user who's never spammed the site or posted any commercial advertisement. I had a contribution to offer on this topic which wasn't at all similar to another post. "Lameness Filter Encountered: No Spam Please." You can fuck right off, Lameness Filter.
[07:36:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Lameness Filter Is Lame - 06AMA Calls for Ban on Direct to Consumer Advertising of Prescription Drugs - 272 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:56] <exec> 08└─Name enough brand dname drugs and you can encounter that. You also could be putting the soylentNews site at risk from the lawyers hired to protect brand names. These companies have more more money than god. You can usually find a way to get around this if your are clever.
[07:36:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Dunbal [3515] (Score:2) 02Re:Lameness Filter Is Lame - 06AMA Calls for Ban on Direct to Consumer Advertising of Prescription Drugs - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:58] <exec> 08└─You also could be putting the soylentNews site at risk from the lawyers hired to protect brand names.
[07:36:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:Lameness Filter Is Lame - 06AMA Calls for Ban on Direct to Consumer Advertising of Prescription Drugs - 33 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:00] <exec> 08└─The v1agara problem is well known
[07:37:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03MrGuy [1007] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Good luck. - 06AMA Calls for Ban on Direct to Consumer Advertising of Prescription Drugs - 908 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:37:02] <exec> 08└─Big Pharma advertises because it works. People respond to the ads. Oh, it's driving up health costs because people keep demanding the advertised products whether they're necessary or not? That means it's working. So, let's start with an industry with incredibly deep pockets being able to lobby again...
[07:37:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Good luck. - 06AMA Calls for Ban on Direct to Consumer Advertising of Prescription Drugs - 176 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:03] <exec> 08└─Commercial speech [cornell.edu] does have some protection under the First Amendment. Unlike Citizens United there's nothing "fancy" about the notion that advertising is speech.
[07:37:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02But this aspirin has an aerodynamic shape - 06AMA Calls for Ban on Direct to Consumer Advertising of Prescription Drugs - 541 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:37:05] <exec> 08└─It's like there are 20 brands of aspirin in the store. 19 of them cost $8.99 for 20 "sachets", "hydrogels" or "capulettes" enhanced with vitamin C and in a "fun" color. 1 of them is $1.99 for 100 plain white pills. It is on the bottom shelf in the corner and hard to find. No-one is getting rich off...
[07:37:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03mmcmonster [401] (Score:4, Interesting) 02The AMA can say whatever it wants... - 06AMA Calls for Ban on Direct to Consumer Advertising of Prescription Drugs - 2329 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:37:07] <exec> 08└─...But they have absolutely no power and little influence in Washington D.C. The fact of the matter is, physicians should have one of the strongest lobbies in the country. But the AMA has caused enough bad will amongst physicians that a lot of us just never become members.* We're members of other pr...
[07:37:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:The AMA can say whatever it wants... - 06AMA Calls for Ban on Direct to Consumer Advertising of Prescription Drugs - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:09] <exec> 08└─2 - Ban pharmaceutical advertising outside of trade magazines and conferences
[07:37:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Squidious [4327] (Score:1) 02Re:The AMA can say whatever it wants... - 06AMA Calls for Ban on Direct to Consumer Advertising of Prescription Drugs - 145 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:10] <exec> 08└─The side effects could use a "chance of experiencing" percentage derived from the test results. I always wonder about that in the advertisements.
[07:37:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score:2) 02Test bars. - 06AMA Calls for Ban on Direct to Consumer Advertising of Prescription Drugs - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:37:12] <exec> 08└─What's gonna be on TV without the pill commercials?
[07:37:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03chromas [34] (Score:3, Funny) 02Re:Test bars. - 06AMA Calls for Ban on Direct to Consumer Advertising of Prescription Drugs - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:14] <exec> 08└─Well, I, for one, am severely interested in the latest technological advances in tortilla chip flavors.
[07:37:15] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03jdavidb [5690] 02That's fine - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 63 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:37:16] <exec> 08└─CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms
[07:37:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:4, Interesting) 02Re:That's fine - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 744 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:17] <exec> 08└─The fact that you're more afraid of the government is entirely predictable, given that the US government is in part responsible for the growth, and arming, of ISIS. And that's not the loony-lefty European in me talking (but fuck Tony B.Liar, he's complicit in all this), but an admission from the US...
[07:37:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03gnuman [5013] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:That's fine - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 87 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:19] <exec> 08└─given that the US government is in part responsible for the growth, and arming, of ISIS
[07:37:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03fritsd [4586] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:That's fine - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 925 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:21] <exec> 08└─Well, whatever Obama says, but the director of Abrams tanks-R-us must surely be very happy with his profit these last few years: some 40-odd to one side... ISIS Captures Hundreds of US Vehicles and Tanks in Ramadi from Iraqis [military.com] https://www.quora.com
[07:37:22] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Joe Desertrat [2454] 02Re:That's fine - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 218 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:23] <exec> 08└─There were warnings that taking out Saddam Hussein would destabilize the Middle East and bring about the rise of even less friendly regimes. If you want to point a finger, point right at the invasion of Iraq by the US.
[07:37:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:That's fine - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 894 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:25] <exec> 08└─Spot on. I wasn't smart enough to envision ISIS, certainly not smart enough to paint any details of what it has become. But, I was among those who wrote letters to GWB before the invasion, warning of destabilizing the region further. Of course, everyone said that we were going to build a nation. Wha...
[07:37:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Re:That's fine - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 940 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:26] <exec> 08└─Yes, there were warnings. If only we had listened! Because if we had gone to Baghdad we would have been all alone. There wouldn’t have been anybody else with us. It would have been a U.S. occupation of Iraq. None of the Arab forces that were willing to fight with us in Kuwait were willing to invad...
[07:37:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bogsnoticus [3982] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:That's fine - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 212 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:28] <exec> 08└─If you want to look at reasons why none of the Arab forces were willing to join Dubya in the fight against Iraq, you only have to look at the broken promises made by Aitch Dubya to the southern Iraqi's and Kurds.
[07:37:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03PartTimeZombie [4827] (Score:2) 02Re:That's fine - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:30] <exec> 08└─Obama told Saudis and the rest of the anti-Iranian clique in the Middle East to NOT arm ISIS...
[07:37:31] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] 02Re:That's fine - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 224 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:32] <exec> 08└─That's fine with me. I'm a lot more scared of the U.S. government than of terrorists. Logical conclusion considering you are more likely to be killed by the government (or hell, even a family member) than by a terrorist.
[07:37:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03jdavidb [5690] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:That's fine - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:34] <exec> 08└─That's fine with me. I'm a lot more scared of the U.S. government than of terrorists.
[07:37:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03davester666 [155] (Score:2) 02Re:That's fine - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:35] <exec> 08└─From the Commander-In-Chief: The US does not make good decisions "based on hysteria or an exaggeration of risks"
[07:37:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03jdavidb [5690] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:That's fine - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:37] <exec> 08└─I am no fan of the man, but I agree with him wholeheartedly here. I saw this earlier today: 6 Reasons to Welcome Refugees after Paris [fee.org].
[07:37:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:That's fine - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 441 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:39] <exec> 08└─Quite the opposite reaction from me. How 'bout we accept women and children, and all those military age males we hand them a real assault rifle, and send them back home to fight for their country? BTW - at least one of the Paris attackers was in possession of a Syrian passport that indicated he was...
[07:37:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03jdavidb [5690] (Score:3, Touché) 02Re:That's fine - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 332 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:40] <exec> 08└─Well, I don't believe in "we," so we should each be able to make our decision on that. BTW - at least one of the Paris attackers was in possession of a Syrian passport that indicated he was a "refugee". It's not certain that the passport legally belonged to the man who was carrying it, but he did i...
[07:37:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:That's fine - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 82 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:42] <exec> 08└─Gotcha! I did click the link. I did read your link. As stated, I disagree with it.
[07:37:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anal Pumpernickel [776] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:That's fine - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 159 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:44] <exec> 08└─How 'bout we accept women and children, and all those military age males we hand them a real assault rifle, and send them back home to fight for their country?
[07:37:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:That's fine - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 213 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:45] <exec> 08└─You're looking at it inside out, upside down, and backwards all at the same time. Women and children are of no value on the battlefield. Unless, of course, you need a human shield, like so many Muslim fighters do.
[07:37:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anal Pumpernickel [776] (Score:2) 02Re:That's fine - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 54 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:47] <exec> 08└─Women and children are of no value on the battlefield.
[07:37:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:That's fine - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 1109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:49] <exec> 08└─Serious answer? Historically, a lot of women have had major roles on the battlefield, but they seldom get any recognition. Children? Like most women, they are simply innocent bystanders and victims. It takes a low-life barbarian to hide behind women's skirts, it takes an even lower form of life to h...
[07:37:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anal Pumpernickel [776] (Score:2) 02Re:That's fine - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 121 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:51] <exec> 08└─It takes a low-life barbarian to hide behind women's skirts, it takes an even lower form of life to hide behind children.
[07:37:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:That's fine - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 121 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:53] <exec> 08└─[...] all those military age males we hand them a real assault rifle, and send them back home to fight for their country?
[07:37:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anal Pumpernickel [776] (Score:2) 02Re:That's fine - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 326 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:54] <exec> 08└─Instead, the US makes bad decisions based on hysteria or an exaggeration of risks. The existence of mass surveillance, the TSA, etc. is proof of that. We know he doesn't oppose all of that (the so-called "Freedom act" still allows the mass surveillance to continue, so it is no reform), so I am not s...
[07:37:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03HiThere [866] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:That's fine - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 152 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:56] <exec> 08└─You trust the purpose of the government more than I do. I would put it "It makes decisions that citizens consider bad and uses hysteria as a justifier."
[07:37:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anal Pumpernickel [776] (Score:2) 02Re:That's fine - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 336 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:58] <exec> 08└─I wasn't merely speaking of the government. You have more trust in the ignorant majority than I do. From what I see, not very many people genuinely care about freedom. If safety can be used successfully by the government to justify violating the constitutional and our fundamental liberties, that mea...
[07:37:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score:4, Insightful) 02In other words - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 312 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:38:00] <exec> 08└─What we're doing didn't work so we need to do more of it. One of the top CIA asshats was on a Sunday morning show. He said "we need to strike a balance. It's not a trade off, it's a balance". Uh, yeah. You're taking away my privacy and my rights and I get what in return? Cuz it sure as hell isn't mo...
[07:38:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:In other words - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 57 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:01] <exec> 08└─What we're doing didn't work so we need to do more of it.
[07:38:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Offtopic) 02Re:In other words - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:03] <exec> 08└─And the current potus is doing such a wonderful job.
[07:38:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:In other words - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:05] <exec> 08└─What does that have to do with anything? Have you come to the erroneous conclusion that because someone insults Bush, they must like Obama?
[07:38:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:In other words - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 411 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:07] <exec> 08└─"What does that have to do with anything? Have you come to the erroneous conclusion that because someone insults Bush, they must like Obama?" That is a common occurrence. I say, "Obama sucks" someone tells me "Bush sucked worse!" Next day, I say "Bush sucked." Another fool steps up to say "Obama suc...
[07:38:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03NotSanguine [285] (Score:2) 02Re:In other words - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 269 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:08] <exec> 08└─That is a common occurrence. I say, "Obama sucks" someone tells me "Bush sucked worse!" Next day, I say "Bush sucked." Another fool steps up to say "Obama sucks worse!" It's always left or right, black or white, true or false, one extreme or the other. It's just crazy.
[07:38:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:4, Informative) 02Re:In other words - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 785 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:10] <exec> 08└─Americans killed by terrorist attack in the last 35 years: Ronald Reagan - 286 (most in the Beirut bombings) George H.W. Bush - 1 (one guy caught by Hezbollah) Bill Clinton - 238 (most in the Oklahoma City bombing) George W Bush - 3046 (most in the World Trade Center attack) Barack Obama - 36 (the b...
[07:38:11] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Anonymous Coward 02Re:In other words - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 45 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:12] <exec> 08└─By those standards, Obama has done quite well
[07:38:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03jdavidb [5690] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:In other words - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 2 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:14] <exec> 08└─+6
[07:38:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Leebert [3511] (Score:2) 02Re:In other words - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:15] <exec> 08└─He said "we need to strike a balance. It's not a trade off, it's a balance".
[07:38:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:In other words - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 129 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:17] <exec> 08└─That's not a balance, that's a document. You can't haggle with a document to strike a better bargain (whenever you fell like it).
[07:38:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Leebert [3511] (Score:2) 02Re:In other words - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 311 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:19] <exec> 08└─We struck a balance between privacy and security in the Constitution. We decided that the security we get from warrantless searches isn't worth the potential tradeoffs, and codified that in the 4th amendment. Thre are plenty of similar balances that were codified in the Constitution. Not sure why yo...
[07:38:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:In other words - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 74 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:21] <exec> 08└─(</sarcasm>) (what they want is another bargain, they outgrew the old one)
[07:38:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:In other words - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 57 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:22] <exec> 08└─What we're doing didn't work so we need to do more of it.
[07:38:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:In other words - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 225 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:24] <exec> 08└─On the Tonight Show, actor Shia Labeouf said an FBI agent played back one of Labeouf's phone calls to him and told him that one-fifth of all calls were being recorded. https://www.youtube.com [youtube.com]
[07:38:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Refugee from beyond [2699] (Score:2) 02Power grab time - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:38:26] <exec> 08└─No bad event can go without them increasing their power. Typical.
[07:38:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03WittyUserName [2401] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Power grab time - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:28] <exec> 08└─Your are channelling the great Churchill, who once said "Never let a good crisis go to waste."
[07:38:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03kadal [4731] (Score:4, Informative) 02The Intercept - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 569 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:38:29] <exec> 08└─The Intercept is really going all out with criticizing these kinds of statements. 1. https://theintercept.com [theintercept.com] 2. https://theintercept.com
[07:38:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03kadal [4731] (Score:2) 02Re:The Intercept - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 200 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:31] <exec> 08└─Missed this one: https://theintercept.com [theintercept.com] The CIA dude is full of shit.
[07:38:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The Intercept - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 181 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:33] <exec> 08└─archived copy of the New York Times editorial: https://archive.is [archive.is]
[07:38:34] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] 02Isn't that precious? - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 695 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:38:35] <exec> 08└─The CIA has to make excuses for their failures. It's not THEIR fault that they can't catch bad guys. It's OUR FAULT, because we demand that human rights be respected. If Mary and Florence have organized a secret society club at their high school, the CIA doesn't have some inherent right to read the...
[07:38:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03saltycraig [5954] (Score:1) 02Re:Isn't that precious? - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 149 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:36] <exec> 08└─If Mary and Florence have organized a secret society club at their high school, the CIA doesn't have some inherent right to read the girl's messages.
[07:38:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Isn't that precious? - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 201 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:38] <exec> 08└─Good post, kinda funny though, I normally make fun of the apologizers for using "think of the children". Guess it cuts both ways, but I have no problem when it meets my criteria of reasonable... hmmm..
[07:38:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03HiThere [866] (Score:2) 02Re:Isn't that precious? - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 614 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:40] <exec> 08└─Even were the CIA to be behaving in a legal and ethical manner, they would have reason to hide some things. The problem is they have so abused that need so often that I no longer believe them when they claim a need for secrecy. Actually, I do believe them. I believe they need to hide something so il...
[07:38:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03redneckmother [3597] (Score:1) 02Re:Isn't that precious? - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 48 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:42] <exec> 08└─...they would have reason to hide some things...
[07:38:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03mhajicek [51] (Score:2) 02Re:Isn't that precious? - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 57 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:44] <exec> 08└─AFAIK the CIA became an independent power during Kennedy.
[07:38:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Offtopic) 02ArchLinux: We rape your pets! - 06Netflix Releases Spinnaker, Goes Multi-Cloud With Google, Microsoft - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:38:45] <exec> 08└─ArchLinux users are a bunch of wild and crazy guys!! [dailymail.co.uk]
[07:38:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:0, Offtopic) 02Re:ArchLinux: We rape your pets! - 06Netflix Releases Spinnaker, Goes Multi-Cloud With Google, Microsoft - 153 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:47] <exec> 08└─That's Berlin, man. Berliners run BSD - mostly Dragonfly BSD. Or, that's what I've heard, anyway. She's lucky the dragons didn't just eat the damned dog.
[07:38:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03pendorbound [2688] (Score:2) 02Forbes mentality re: OpenSource - 06Netflix Releases Spinnaker, Goes Multi-Cloud With Google, Microsoft - 595 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:38:49] <exec> 08└─Forbes views on OpenSource kind of fall out on the floor in page two of this article. They're all, "Why would Netflix want to share this innovation with the world and not keep the competitive advantage to themselves." Short sighted, completely missing the point... Netflix isn't a cloud integration c...
[07:38:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nerdfest [80] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Forbes mentality re: OpenSource - 06Netflix Releases Spinnaker, Goes Multi-Cloud With Google, Microsoft - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:50] <exec> 08└─Forbes is an Apple fanboy site these days and seems to be against openness of any kind at times.
[07:38:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Forbes mentality re: OpenSource - 06Netflix Releases Spinnaker, Goes Multi-Cloud With Google, Microsoft - 66 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:52] <exec> 08└─Hell, without JavaScript Forbes won't even share their web page...
[07:38:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Worse than no post - 06Netflix Releases Spinnaker, Goes Multi-Cloud With Google, Microsoft - 378 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:38:54] <exec> 08└─An empty summary with nothing but some buzzwords - cloud, open source, "high velocity and confidence" (WTF?) It's quite apparent that the submitter doesn't know what it is but submitted anyways, and the editor shoved it thru because, well, what do they care. And the link is forbes - yeah, I bet they...
[07:38:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Worse than no post - 06Netflix Releases Spinnaker, Goes Multi-Cloud With Google, Microsoft - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:56] <exec> 08└─Can't you see the frequency of this user submitting stuff? It's a bot!
[07:38:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03n1 [993] (Score:2) 02Re:Worse than no post - 06Netflix Releases Spinnaker, Goes Multi-Cloud With Google, Microsoft - 993 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:58] <exec> 08└─The information is of relevance to someone reading the site, it is of passing interest to me. Forbes does have interesting content on occasion, not going to argue this is a good example, it's not. El Reg reports [theregister.co.uk] with a little more detail and less Forbes: Netflix has released Spin...
[07:38:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Worse than no post - 06Netflix Releases Spinnaker, Goes Multi-Cloud With Google, Microsoft - 93 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:39:00] <exec> 08└─The information is of relevance to someone reading the site, it is of passing interest to me.
[07:39:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Worse than no post - 06Netflix Releases Spinnaker, Goes Multi-Cloud With Google, Microsoft - 170 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:39:02] <exec> 08└─BTW, I take back about "what do editors care" bit. I understand you are volunteers, but if it's worth doing, you might as well do it well, and I trust you can do better.
[07:39:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:2, Funny) 02When I hear the sentence... - 06Netflix Releases Spinnaker, Goes Multi-Cloud With Google, Microsoft - 186 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:39:04] <exec> 08└─"Spinnaker is an open source multi-cloud Continuous Delivery platform for releasing software changes with high velocity and confidence." ... I unclip the safety on my Browning Automatic.
[07:39:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Funny) 02Re:When I hear the sentence... - 06Netflix Releases Spinnaker, Goes Multi-Cloud With Google, Microsoft - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:39:07] <exec> 08└─And then you ask to the dark empty room: "Skynet? Is that you?"
[07:39:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02high velocity - 06Netflix Releases Spinnaker, Goes Multi-Cloud With Google, Microsoft - 173 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:39:08] <exec> 08└─That was the only buzzword that caught my attention - unfortunately, there are no motorcycles, race cars, bullets, or even a particle accelorator involved here. Mehhhh . . .
[07:39:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Branding? - 06Netflix Releases Spinnaker, Goes Multi-Cloud With Google, Microsoft - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:39:10] <exec> 08└─So, it's Silverlight, then. Only with less Micro$oft suckage??
[07:39:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03arslan [3462] (Score:2) 02Cloud broker - 06Netflix Releases Spinnaker, Goes Multi-Cloud With Google, Microsoft - 295 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:39:12] <exec> 08└─Looks like an abstraction to cloud consumption, i.e. like a Cloud broker, which would be very useful for folks consuming cloud services as you just need to learn one interface/tool. Given this is opensource, there's no vendor tie in albeit there's still tool tie-in but still a better direction.
[07:39:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:3, Interesting) 02LARP - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 136 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:39:14] <exec> 08└─as long as you have good people working in a disciplined team. If you have a lousy team, adopting the latest fad isn't going to help you
[07:39:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:LARP - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:39:15] <exec> 08└─Thanks society for making that post confusing
[07:39:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Offtopic) 02Re:LARP - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:39:18] <exec> 08└─ArchLinux users sure are wild and crazy guys! [dailymail.co.uk]
[07:39:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:1, Flamebait) 02Re:LARP - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 151 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:39:19] <exec> 08└─Well, there are no goats in that part of town, and the Muslims have to rape something. " Me need hospital. Balls too big! Allahu Akhbar! Insha'allah! "
[07:39:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:LARP - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:39:21] <exec> 08└─Come on, Ethanol. This comment is sub-par even by your standards.
[07:39:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:2) 02Re:LARP - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 143 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:39:23] <exec> 08└─LARP = Live Action Role Playing It really makes a difference to team productivity if they're in costume or not? Knock me over with a feather...
[07:39:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:LARP - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 1232 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:39:24] <exec> 08└─Well I'm thinking more of how everyone in the SCA (that I've seen) magically grows the accent and interests of an English nobleman, and it just as quickly disappears after they cross the border of the renn fair. Regardless its live action role playing in the SCA / Faire / DnD sense, just they do it...
[07:39:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:3, Funny) 02Re:LARP - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 387 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:39:26] <exec> 08└─Haha wow, I was being flippant and you really did mean Live Action Role Playing. Well, I agree with what you're saying. Most business is about "meme of the month." Most human activity that I've been involved in, actually, from government to non-profit to grassroots. Even academia. Scientists might s...
[07:39:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03nitehawk214 [1304] (Score:1) 02Re:LARP - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:39:28] <exec> 08└─I am glad I am not the only one that thought I had misunderstood a new entry in Buzzword Weekly.
[07:39:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03nitehawk214 [1304] (Score:1) 02Re:LARP - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 1891 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:39:30] <exec> 08└─I can't agree with this more. I worked for a big company that has been waterfall (at best, but more like Big Ball of Mud [laputan.org]) for years. New owners come in, shake up management, declare we are all going to do SCUM now! (is it SCRUM or scrum? what does SCRUM stand for?) About half the emplo...
[07:39:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Funny) 02Re:LARP - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 203 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:39:31] <exec> 08└─Forsooth! Borgorroth of Coolswordorroth shimmies for no feature request! But do not tread into the COBOL directory, in it sleeps an ancient dragon that will smite all that awaken it! Roll for initiative.
[07:39:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:2) 02Re:LARP - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 199 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:39:33] <exec> 08└─And then the managers walk out the SCRUM meeting room door and its back to "management by shouting" or "management by firefighting" or whatever and all the SCRUM and/or fake english accents are gone.
[07:39:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:3, Funny) 02Re:LARP - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 75 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:39:35] <exec> 08└─As a manager, I've always really wanted to try "management by cattle prod."
[07:39:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:2) 02Re:LARP - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 108 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:39:37] <exec> 08└─"And if you finish this goal on time, you get to zap me" Oh wait I bet thats not what you were thinking LOL.
[07:39:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:2) 02Re:LARP - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 44 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:39:39] <exec> 08└─How did you know the games we play out West?
[07:39:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:2) 02Re:LARP - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 79 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:39:41] <exec> 08└─It really makes a difference to team productivity if they're in costume or not?
[07:39:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03OwMyBrain [5044] (Score:2, Insightful) 02Re:LARP - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 238 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:39:43] <exec> 08└─For the most part I would agree with this. No matter how you dress it up...scrum, agile, waterfall, xp, the projects that are successful end up that way because the coders that do the work know the one true development methodology. [http]
[07:39:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score:2) 02Re:LARP - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 67 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:39:44] <exec> 08└─http://programming-motherfucker.com/ [programming-motherfucker.com]
[07:39:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03SanityCheck [5190] (Score:4, Informative) 02Hard to wager - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 1482 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:39:46] <exec> 08└─Hard to wager here, because I still cannot comprehend a lot of the stupid fads from the past. I do have a hate-hate relationship with scrum, but I think it can work for some things given proper set of circumstances. For my Senior Project we all had to use some sort of Scrum... of course like all Col...
[07:39:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02Re:Hard to wager - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 1327 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:39:48] <exec> 08└─So sometimes going with less competent person, but one fully committed to the project is actually better choice It is a question of ownership. I have been on successful scrum teams and crash out and burn ones. The one thing common to all the ones that did not work. No one wanted the job. No one want...
[07:39:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03nitehawk214 [1304] (Score:1) 02Re:Hard to wager - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 883 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:39:49] <exec> 08└─I have seen ones where someone wanted to own the job and was the scrum leader... but had no authority to get anything done. They could not tell the other members of the team what to do, and they had no authority in the company, so they could not make others (usually IT or Facilities) do things like...
[07:39:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:2) 02Re:Hard to wager - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 408 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:39:51] <exec> 08└─Are you one of my former coworkers? I left a place because of that kind of project management style! I left another place because that kind of project management style was actually an improvement over the previous regime's project management style, which was "Ticket tracking? Bah! Change management?...
[07:39:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Hard to wager - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 116 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:39:53] <exec> 08└─eehhh no dont think so. Apparently it can get worse! :) At least we have QA, staged production, and ticket tracking.
[07:39:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02And the same people will be back - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 242 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:39:54] <exec> 08└─To pitch their *all new* method, complete with fluffy 150-pg books from Addison Wesley @$34.95 filled with "actual case studies", and trainers willing and eager to fly across the country spending a week "training the entire engineering team".
[07:39:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0, Troll) 02Re:And the same people will be back - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 111 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:39:56] <exec> 08└─It could be worse. They could be trying to brainwash you into becoming an ArchLinux user. [orlandosentinel.com]
[07:39:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Subsentient [1111] (Score:2) 02Re:And the same people will be back - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:39:58] <exec> 08└─Meh, they could always be the homebrew distro type. http://i.imgur.com [imgur.com]
[07:39:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Next Fad? - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:40:00] <exec> 08└─Off to India! Oh, that's a fad - that shit is here to stay.
[07:40:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Troll) 02Re:Next Fad? - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:40:01] <exec> 08└─Mom apologizes for her ArchLinux-using son's antics as the leader of his local LUG. [examiner.com]
[07:40:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] (Score:2) 02Rebooted Agile is the next fad - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 417 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:40:03] <exec> 08└─It'll work. They don't know that scrum is part of Agile. If they do know, they'll treat themselves to a training seminar that explains they were doing Agile all wrong anyway. Reboot is in! It works for PCs and the movies. So, call this next fad "Rebooted Agile". Faster because it has new boots! (Do...
[07:40:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Rebooted Agile is the next fad - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:40:05] <exec> 08└─agile not so bad... compared to waterfall but then comparing anything to waterfall is a very low bar
[07:40:06] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Anonymous Coward 02Um! - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 32 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:40:07] <exec> 08└─Scrum is dead! Long live...um...
[07:40:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:4, Informative) 02Re:Um! - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 916 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:40:10] <exec> 08└─The UM methodology works like this: - Understatement: All project requirements and estimates of resource usage (including but not limited to personnel and timeline) are understated to get the project approved by higher-ups. - Misery: The project manager demands that all personnel assigned to the pro...
[07:40:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Um! - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 143 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:40:12] <exec> 08└─Hey, you plagiarized that from my upcoming book "The Um Methodology Synergy Paradigm Shift Revolution: Why You Should Hire Me As A Consultant".
[07:40:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Subsentient [1111] (Score:3, Funny) 02Re:Um! - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 43 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:40:15] <exec> 08└─Scrum = Scrotum + Cum. Um = Scrum - Scrotum
[07:40:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03kazzie [5309] (Score:1) 02Re:Um! - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 48 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:40:19] <exec> 08└─Is this a pitch for more women in the workplace?
[07:40:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:3, Funny) 02Having a Sad - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 418 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:40:23] <exec> 08└─I am personally devastated that Scrum is dead. It means that all my rugby metaphors will now be useless. I mean, it's not like any Americans on the team ever got the references, except for the womyn with that certain kind of build, but it was usually not that big a problem because the team was mostl...
[07:40:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Having a Sad - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 709 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:40:26] <exec> 08└─Scrum was never a live. Sub in: Do what you want. Do produce produce. In 30yr I have not seen a true waterfall or scrum. Scrums replaced weekly stays reports. Waterfall cut down number of releases per year. The best was 3 guys: owner, his frienf and me. We would go to lunch and talk about family an...
[07:40:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Subsentient [1111] (Score:2) 02Derp. - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 402 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:40:30] <exec> 08└─I don't follow this stuff. I tend to just recommend an open discussion on features and implementations, with lots of communication between team members. Then again, I'm a lone developer. I don't need to have a master plan for working with others. In fact, none of my projects ever had the 'guts' plan...
[07:40:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:2, Informative) 02I have a special hatred for Scrum. Here's why: - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 550 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:40:33] <exec> 08└─Among the reasons I've been unemployed for five years is that I don't mention Agile or Scrum anywhere on my resume. This leads recruiters to regard me as unqualified for their positions. This despite that I first began developing my own methodology in 1988, and have quite a lot of experience with eX...
[07:40:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03PocketSizeSUn [5340] (Score:2, Insightful) 02Process and does not correlate with success - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 338 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:40:35] <exec> 08└─To date in my career I have never seen any correlation between project success and the methodology used for development. Scrum works, of course. Just about any software development methodology works, as long as you have good people working in a disciplined team. If you have a lousy team, adopting t...
[07:40:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03turgid [4318] (Score:2) 02Re:Process and does not correlate with success - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 154 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:40:36] <exec> 08└─After having been through three successive Scrum disasters I now just turn away projects and organizations that say the use Scrum and Agile methodologies.
[07:40:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03WittyUserName [2401] (Score:2, Funny) 02What is this scrum... - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:40:38] <exec> 08└─...I thought we were still on Jackson's and SSADM.
[07:40:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03turgid [4318] (Score:2) 02Re:What is this scrum... - 06Scrum is dead! Long live...um... - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:40:40] <exec> 08└─Oh god. I bet you think MISRA [wikipedia.org] Is the future.
[07:40:41] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03GreatAuntAnesthesia [3275] 02My supervillain fantasies can finally be realised! - 06Team Refrigerates Liquids With a Laser for the First Time - 11 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:40:41] <exec> 08└─Freeze ray!
[07:40:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:My supervillain fantasies can finally be realis - 06Team Refrigerates Liquids With a Laser for the First Time - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:40:43] <exec> 08└─Apparently it's also good for cooling your soup too! https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org]
[07:40:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03davester666 [155] (Score:2) 02Re:My supervillain fantasies can finally be realis - 06Team Refrigerates Liquids With a Laser for the First Time - 57 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:40:45] <exec> 08└─Being Mr. Freeze is pretty low on my "want to be" list...
[07:40:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03stormwyrm [717] (Score:2) 02Laser cooling - 06Team Refrigerates Liquids With a Laser for the First Time - 484 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:40:47] <exec> 08└─Lasers are already being used to cool atoms to extremely low temperatures a hair above absolute zero. They managed to make the first observed Bose-Einstein condensates by using laser cooling [wikipedia.org]. I suppose this must be a variation on this technique that can manage to lower the temperatur...
[07:40:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:4, Informative) 02Re:Laser cooling - 06Team Refrigerates Liquids With a Laser for the First Time - 802 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:40:48] <exec> 08└─This macro enough for you? http://news.mit.edu """ Laser-cooling brings large object near absolute zero Assistant professor Nergis Mavalvala, left, and Ph.D. student Thomas Corbitt are part of an international team that has devised a way to cool large objects to near absolute zero. A...
[07:40:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Fridge without heat - 06Team Refrigerates Liquids With a Laser for the First Time - 330 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:40:50] <exec> 08└─So far that I know, cooling techniques use to drain heat from some area and then release that heat elsewhere + whatever excess heat produced in the process. Would this laser be capable of cooling something, without at least equally heating something else? (It will ofcourse need energy, but can it re...
[07:40:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Covalent [43] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Fridge without heat - 06Team Refrigerates Liquids With a Laser for the First Time - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:40:52] <exec> 08└─No. https://vimeo.com [vimeo.com]
[07:40:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03cykros [989] (Score:2) 02Re:Fridge without heat - 06Team Refrigerates Liquids With a Laser for the First Time - 381 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:40:54] <exec> 08└─In order to cool something without heating something else, you'd need to convert the heat into some other form of energy rather than simply putting it off as exhaust like conventional refrigerators do, what with the whole conservation of energy at play. I can't say I'm familiar with any method of co...
[07:40:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Dunbal [3515] (Score:2) 02Re:Fridge without heat - 06Team Refrigerates Liquids With a Laser for the First Time - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:40:56] <exec> 08└─Would this laser be capable of cooling something, without at least equally heating something else?
[07:40:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03deadstick [5110] (Score:3, Funny) 02Re:Fridge without heat - 06Team Refrigerates Liquids With a Laser for the First Time - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:40:57] <exec> 08└─As long as the laser warms up, the Second Law is cool with it.
[07:40:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03mrchew1982 [3565] (Score:2) 02Re:Fridge without heat - 06Team Refrigerates Liquids With a Laser for the First Time - 334 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:40:59] <exec> 08└─No, that would violate the 2nd law of thermodynamics, entropy. When the molecules are filled they enter a more ordered state, the entropy being removed must be put somewhere, my guess would be heating of the laser module itself and the surrounding air... Still very awesome to be able to control mole...
[07:41:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02My dream will soon come true! - 06Team Refrigerates Liquids With a Laser for the First Time - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:00] <exec> 08└─A microwave refrigerator!
[07:41:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Fahrenheit - 06Team Refrigerates Liquids With a Laser for the First Time - 11 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:02] <exec> 08└─lolllllllll
[07:41:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02Meta Thread Yesterday - 06Team Refrigerates Liquids With a Laser for the First Time - 120 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:04] <exec> 08└─Ok, Meta-Thread-Yesterday, you told me to post questions in these cool science threads. So, here goes: What the crap?
[07:41:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Covalent [43] (Score:2) 02Faacinating - 06Mimic Functions - 1651 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:06] <exec> 08└─But this would seem to have a major flaw, which is described in the summary: analysis of everything. In the story the detective does eventually find the letter by looking for it where it "shouldn't" be. Modern intelligence gathering could similarly find this file simply by scanning everything. That...
[07:41:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03FakeBeldin [3360] (Score:2) 02Re:Faacinating - 06Mimic Functions - 536 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:41:07] <exec> 08└─If everyone encrypts everything (with reasonably functioning cryptosystems), then everything will be a bland sea of statistical randomness anyway. So the tools already exist for most typical uses (e.g. https, s/mime, ssh, powerpoints*, etc.). It's just the question of spreading the use. For the web,...
[07:41:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03nitehawk214 [1304] (Score:1) 02Re:Faacinating - 06Mimic Functions - 355 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:41:09] <exec> 08└─I think this is one of the stated reasons why the three letter agencies are against everyone doing end-to-end encryption all the time. It makes it orders of magnitude more difficult for them to filter everything. Also if only a few people are doing encryption, they can use the "If you have nothing t...
[07:41:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Re:Faacinating - 06Mimic Functions - 516 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:41:11] <exec> 08└─You need multiple layers for this to be useful. Firstly, you encrypt your sensitive document. It now looks like noise, and therefore is suspicious. Then you use this expansion technique to make it look indistinguishable from a typical document whatever that may mean. I've not read the article, but t...
[07:41:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03FakeBeldin [3360] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Some thoughts - 06Mimic Functions - 1506 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:12] <exec> 08└─1. This concept sounds a lot like steganography [wikipedia.org] - basically, embedding a message within a text/photo/movie/sound piece. Famous example is watermarking - invisible in normal circumstances, but with the right detector clearly visible. (probably redundant for a good portion of SN'ers, b...
[07:41:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:2, Funny) 02Verb/noun soup - 06Mimic Functions - 15 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:14] <exec> 08└─Mimic Functions
[07:41:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:4, Funny) 02Nethack is fun! - 06Mimic Functions - 217 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:16] <exec> 08└─You pick up the box. Wait, that's a mimic! You hit the mimic! The mimic hits you! You miss the mimic! The mimic hits you! You miss the mimic! The mimic hits you! You die. Do you want your possessions identified (Y/N)?
[07:41:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02Related. - 06Mimic Functions - 438 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:18] <exec> 08└─SCIgen [mit.edu] and SCIpher [mit.edu] immediately come to mind as pretty similar. Looks like SCIpher expands the length of the message by a factor of about 100. So I just need to flag anyone who downloads more than 3 meg / day of scientific papers, as suspicious. Which I should probably do anyway....
[07:41:18] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03davester666 [155] 02I get my SF fix from tv... - 06Ask Soylent: What SF Magazines do you Read? - 91 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:19] <exec> 08└─I watch fox news and always wonder what fucking reality the writers of that stuff are from.
[07:41:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Have you tried ezines? - 06Ask Soylent: What SF Magazines do you Read? - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:21] <exec> 08└─My choice: intergalacticmedicineshow.com [intergalacticmedicineshow.com] - $15/year, 6 issues/year.
[07:41:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03AndyTheAbsurd [3958] (Score:3, Touché) 02Re:Have you tried ezines? - 06Ask Soylent: What SF Magazines do you Read? - 120 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:41:23] <exec> 08└─It is associated with Orson Scott Card, though, and I try not to give my money to anything associated with that asshole.
[07:41:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:Have you tried ezines? - 06Ask Soylent: What SF Magazines do you Read? - 47 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:41:24] <exec> 08└─It is associated with Orson Scott Card, though,
[07:41:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Interzone changed editor/owner a few years ago - 06Ask Soylent: What SF Magazines do you Read? - 660 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:26] <exec> 08└─I went through a period of reading Interzone and got tired of the outlook of the stories, but it's changed hands. While Interzone itself is still not entirely up my street, last I checked it had acquired Black Static as a stablemate which while it dubs itself a horror magazine is very happy to accep...
[07:41:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03joekiser [1837] (Score:3, Informative) 02Online - 06Ask Soylent: What SF Magazines do you Read? - 43 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:28] <exec> 08└─http://365tomorrows.com/ [365tomorrows.com]
[07:41:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:3, Informative) 02online? - 06Ask Soylent: What SF Magazines do you Read? - 11 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:30] <exec> 08└─online mags
[07:41:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score:2) 02Re:online? - 06Ask Soylent: What SF Magazines do you Read? - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:41:32] <exec> 08└─Then again I enjoyed watching the A-Team back then, so I was in fact probably an idiot...
[07:41:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:online? - 06Ask Soylent: What SF Magazines do you Read? - 1249 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:41:33] <exec> 08└─For "kids these days" the A-Team was a 20 minute "junkyard wars" "scrapheap challenge" welding build bracketed by a 20 minute cheezy crime drama and a 20 minute ridiculous action flick. Being the 80s all guns including revolvers were fully automatic and had infinite magazine capacity and being prime...
[07:41:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Re:online? - 06Ask Soylent: What SF Magazines do you Read? - 479 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:41:35] <exec> 08└─Great summary. I'm wondering if you could summarise the recent movie with the same accuracy, as some remaining lobe of my 8-year-old brain still sends out pulses to the rest of my brain telling me I should watch it. Instructions on how to turn it into a drinking game would also be useful, I still ha...
[07:41:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:2) 02Re:online? - 06Ask Soylent: What SF Magazines do you Read? - 408 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:41:37] <exec> 08└─I'll be, I didn't even know there was an A-team remake movie. I checked. There really is one. I got powned pretty hard w/ the 10/21/2015 back to the future stuff where I spent about half the day figuring nobody would talk about that crap movie unless there was a remake movie coming out so how about...
[07:41:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02I don't do mags these days, but maybe I will - 06Ask Soylent: What SF Magazines do you Read? - 1910 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:38] <exec> 08└─I read a lot of magazines, back in the day. I guess comic books almost qualified as magazines, then I graduated to things like F&SF, Asimov's. "Pulp fiction", but with the SF twist. Then, I moved on to short stories and novels. And even greater works like Dune and Foundation. Somewhere along the way...
[07:41:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Freeman [732] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:I don't do mags these days, but maybe I will - 06Ask Soylent: What SF Magazines do you Read? - 723 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:41:40] <exec> 08└─“Ultimately it comes down to the desire to be where our customers are, to play fair with them in the assumption that they’ll play fair with us. And you know something? It’s worked.” - Tom Doherty on going DRM Free. Tor books are DRM free, they went that way a few years ago. http://www.tor.co...
[07:41:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:I don't do mags these days, but maybe I will - 06Ask Soylent: What SF Magazines do you Read? - 178 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:41:42] <exec> 08└─Baen Books is also DRM free. Let me see if I can find Mr. Baen's little rant, 'all es ordnung' or something like that . . . http://striderweb.com [striderweb.com]
[07:41:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:0, Offtopic) 02http://www.kindgirls.com/ - 06Ask Soylent: What SF Magazines do you Read? - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:44] <exec> 08└─the website depicts a future society in which I score with cute young things.
[07:41:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:http://www.kindgirls.com/ - 06Ask Soylent: What SF Magazines do you Read? - 74 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:41:45] <exec> 08└─C'mon, Crawford - you know that wasn't necessary. Take your meds, alright?
[07:41:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:2, Insightful) 02I almost scored sunday morning - 06Ask Soylent: What SF Magazines do you Read? - 890 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:41:47] <exec> 08└─but she was fiending for a cigarette, said she was going to run out, buy some then returned, then she disappeared. I'm quite diligent about taking my meds, actually. I remain puzzled as to why so many are so convinced that I don't. Perhaps it has something to do with the notion that these meds are a...
[07:41:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Look at weightlessbooks subscriptions for ideas - 06Ask Soylent: What SF Magazines do you Read? - 498 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:49] <exec> 08└─weightlessbooks [weightlessbooks.com] is a store which has a pretty good selection of DRM-free magazines in a variety of formats. Don't hastily judge the site by its looks or functionality. Notably missing from the subscription section are Analog and Asimov's which I couldn't fine in a DRM-free form...
[07:41:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03cmdrklarg [5048] (Score:1) 02Analog - 06Ask Soylent: What SF Magazines do you Read? - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:51] <exec> 08└─I've been subscribed to Analog Science Fiction and Fact for many years now. Used to get the dead tree version, now I read using my Nexus 7.
[07:41:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Omni? - 06Ask Soylent: What SF Magazines do you Read? - 229 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:52] <exec> 08└─Someone's trying to restart Omni: https://omnireboot.com [omnireboot.com] The Internet Archive had most issues of the defunct print version, but they're not there any more: https://archive.org [archive.org]
[07:41:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Strange Horizons - 06Ask Soylent: What SF Magazines do you Read? - 188 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:54] <exec> 08└─I'll throw a shout out to Strange Horizons - haven't read it regularly in a long time, but I've found a lot of good short stuff there: http://www.strangehorizons.com [strangehorizons.com]
[07:41:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03unzombied [4572] (Score:2) 02AAAS - 06Ask Soylent: What SF Magazines do you Read? - 206 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:56] <exec> 08└─How about Science magazine [aaas.org]? $52 for 52 hard copy magazines. Yesterday's fiction is today's something something. The writing is nearly impenetrable, but after a while it's familiarly impenetrable.
[07:41:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:4, Informative) 02They got it partly wrong... - 06Why Are Some Wild Animals More Tolerant to Human Interaction Than Others? - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:41:57] <exec> 08└─Larger birds are more tolerant of humans than smaller birds.
[07:41:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02Re:They got it partly wrong... - 06Why Are Some Wild Animals More Tolerant to Human Interaction Than Others? - 1321 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:41:59] <exec> 08└─I think it's a big "it depends". Plenty of people seem to have no problems getting close to wild penguins and other wild birds: e.g. http://images.mentalfloss.com [mentalfloss.com] https://thecrusoes.files.wordpress.com
[07:42:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Joe Desertrat [2454] (Score:2) 02Re:They got it partly wrong... - 06Why Are Some Wild Animals More Tolerant to Human Interaction Than Others? - 356 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:42:01] <exec> 08└─Just an hour or so ago a large hawk landed in one of the trees out back. I got my camera and went outside, but it flew to a further perch. When I maneuvered around to get a clear shot with the camera, it flew off before I could focus. I've had that happen with them before, they are very shy of human...
[07:42:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03krishnoid [1156] (Score:2) 02Re:They got it partly wrong... - 06Why Are Some Wild Animals More Tolerant to Human Interaction Than Others? - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:42:03] <exec> 08└─"The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated."
[07:42:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03N3Roaster [3860] (Score:2) 02Re:They got it partly wrong... - 06Why Are Some Wild Animals More Tolerant to Human Interaction Than Others? - 501 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:42:04] <exec> 08└─Depends on the bird and probably also on the person. One morning several years ago I was wandering around lost in Amsterdam and some kind of giant bird was following me around for a while. Much larger than a goose, stayed about four feet behind me. Seriemas also tend to let me get very close, though...
[07:42:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:They got it partly wrong... - 06Why Are Some Wild Animals More Tolerant to Human Interaction Than Others? - 296 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:42:06] <exec> 08└─Chickadees are known to be fairly trusting, ones that frequent your yard can become used to you enough to eat seeds out of your hand if you don't make any sudden moves towards them. I've also found Peacocks to be rather fearless and that is a big bird that can't get away from a human in a hurry.
[07:42:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Touché) 02Re:They got it partly wrong... - 06Why Are Some Wild Animals More Tolerant to Human Interaction Than Others? - 37 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:42:08] <exec> 08└─I think it may have been a vulture...
[07:42:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03hankwang [100] (Score:2) 02Re:They got it partly wrong... - 06Why Are Some Wild Animals More Tolerant to Human Interaction Than Others? - 483 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:42:09] <exec> 08└─"in Amsterdam and some kind of giant bird was following me around for a while. Much larger than a goose, stayed about four feet behind me." That would be a swan (but you would have recognized it) or a heron (much taller than a goose, but probably not heavier). Herons in Amsterdam have figured out th...
[07:42:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03N3Roaster [3860] (Score:2) 02Re:They got it partly wrong... - 06Why Are Some Wild Animals More Tolerant to Human Interaction Than Others? - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:42:11] <exec> 08└─Thank you. Yes, this is what it was. Bird identification is not one of my strengths.
[07:42:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03alioth [3279] (Score:2, Informative) 02Re:They got it partly wrong... - 06Why Are Some Wild Animals More Tolerant to Human Interaction Than Others? - 833 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:42:13] <exec> 08└─I don't think it's that simple, even. Certainly geese I've come into contact with generally ignore me when I'm far less than 30ft away. Swans for instance will let you practically brush past. Certain large birds don't flee because they know if you do anything threatening, they can ruin your day if i...
[07:42:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03hankwang [100] (Score:2) 02Re:They got it partly wrong... - 06Why Are Some Wild Animals More Tolerant to Human Interaction Than Others? - 358 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:42:14] <exec> 08└─"I'm probably more afraid of geese than geese are of me :-)" When a goose or swan threatens you with those hissing sounds, offer them your index finger as if you hold a gun. When they bite, it doesn't hurt, but you can grab their beak with your thumb and middle finger and pull their head. They reall...
[07:42:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:They got it partly wrong... - 06Why Are Some Wild Animals More Tolerant to Human Interaction Than Others? - 367 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:42:16] <exec> 08└─Yes, these birds with flat bills are all bluff and bluster. They can pinch a little but they are harmless. In fact, if you simply stand your ground or advance when they start their attacks they usually go away. Hawks and Eagles will tear your hands to shreds. At the raptor center in my town, the han...
[07:42:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03hankwang [100] (Score:2) 02Re:They got it partly wrong... - 06Why Are Some Wild Animals More Tolerant to Human Interaction Than Others? - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:42:18] <exec> 08└─OTOH, I wouldn't challenge a swan when I'm in the water.
[07:42:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03HiThere [866] (Score:2) 02Re:They got it partly wrong... - 06Why Are Some Wild Animals More Tolerant to Human Interaction Than Others? - 233 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:42:20] <exec> 08└─Geesee aren't *all* threat and bluster, but they aren't nearly as dangerous as they sometimes pretend. But there's a reason for the term "goosed". And there's also a reason that it was often the job of young girls to look after them.
[07:42:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03krishnoid [1156] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:They got it partly wrong... - 06Why Are Some Wild Animals More Tolerant to Human Interaction Than Others? - 220 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:42:21] <exec> 08└─Geese will either fly away or attack when you get within 30 feet. The birds know just how long it takes them to escape and they seem to have a pretty good understanding of how fast something the size of a human can move.
[07:42:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03tftp [806] (Score:2, Interesting) 02A simple question for those scientists - 06Why Are Some Wild Animals More Tolerant to Human Interaction Than Others? - 120 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:42:23] <exec> 08└─I read that the scientists took many factors into account. However did they check the eyesight of their subject species?
[07:42:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:3, Funny) 02Big and Powerful need tolerate nothing - 06Why Are Some Wild Animals More Tolerant to Human Interaction Than Others? - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:42:25] <exec> 08└─Morbo has zero tolerance for puny humans. Morbo will destroy you!
[07:42:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Big and Powerful need tolerate nothing - 06Why Are Some Wild Animals More Tolerant to Human Interaction Than Others? - 34 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:42:27] <exec> 08└─Bah. There is no Morbo. Only Zuul.
[07:42:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03looorg [578] (Score:2) 02Re:Big and Powerful need tolerate nothing - 06Why Are Some Wild Animals More Tolerant to Human Interaction Than Others? - 168 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:42:28] <exec> 08└─But the only reason Morbo doesn't eat cute animals such as kittens is that by his own admission they give him gas. Digesting Smelly hippies have other effects on Morbo.
[07:42:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Insightful) 02Well, duh! - 06Why Are Some Wild Animals More Tolerant to Human Interaction Than Others? - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:42:30] <exec> 08└─Birds in more heavily populated urban areas are much more tolerant of humans than birds in rural areas.
[07:42:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Well, duh! - 06Why Are Some Wild Animals More Tolerant to Human Interaction Than Others? - 88 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:42:32] <exec> 08└─It probably has to to with other things as well, such as available food supply and type.
[07:42:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:-1, Troll) 02Democratic birds! - 06Why Are Some Wild Animals More Tolerant to Human Interaction Than Others? - 1048 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:42:33] <exec> 08└─Oh, how far we flail from true science! Of course, all the birds of a feather will, as they say, flock together. So these birds are Democrats. On the other end of the spectrum, we have the solitary species. You know, the ones that will never have sexual intercourse with their own species. OMG, did I...
[07:42:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Democratic birds! - 06Why Are Some Wild Animals More Tolerant to Human Interaction Than Others? - 23 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:42:35] <exec> 08└─do you feel better now?
[07:42:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:Democratic birds! - 06Why Are Some Wild Animals More Tolerant to Human Interaction Than Others? - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:42:37] <exec> 08└─Not really. I am partial to owls. They at least produce something. Pellets, mostly.
[07:42:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03inertnet [4071] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Countless generations - 06Why Are Some Wild Animals More Tolerant to Human Interaction Than Others? - 131 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:42:39] <exec> 08└─Animals have been hunted for countless generations. It's no mystery why offspring of the survivors is hesitant to interact with us.
[07:42:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Reziac [2489] (Score:2) 02Re:Countless generations - 06Why Are Some Wild Animals More Tolerant to Human Interaction Than Others? - 425 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:42:41] <exec> 08└─Prey animals are just as or more afraid of other predators. Human hunters are not extra-scary, and being hunted by humans is not something unique to their lives. In the wild, everything is hunted by something else. In fact, prey animals often figure out that human presence means there won't be other...
[07:42:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0, Disagree) 02Canadian Geese are Super Annoying - 06Why Are Some Wild Animals More Tolerant to Human Interaction Than Others? - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:42:42] <exec> 08└─Now we have a scientific study to back it up! Yay!
[07:42:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02San Francisco Chronical - 06Why Are Some Wild Animals More Tolerant to Human Interaction Than Others? - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:42:44] <exec> 08└─Now if SF is SciFi or Science Fantasy. Read the former and not the later.
[07:42:45] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03jmorris [4844] 02Double shot of reality - 06Suburban Ride-Sharing Is Mathematically Impossible - 1565 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:42:46] <exec> 08└─How about an extra shot of reality. Screw this new age .com blather about 'ride sharing.' It is like 'reality tv' in that it is a lie almost every way you look at it. Uber isn't some new hip thing. It is an Internet dispatched taxi service. But like reality tv all of the terminology is fudged up to...
[07:42:47] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03frojack [1554] 02Re:Double shot of reality - 06Suburban Ride-Sharing Is Mathematically Impossible - 875 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:42:48] <exec> 08└─What are you going on about? This story is about ride sharing, (car pooling). Its not about taxi's or how taxi's are summoned. People have been car-pooling since before the first gas shortage of the 70s. Local citie governments have been trying build ride-sharing programs by matching people who both...
[07:42:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Double shot of reality - 06Suburban Ride-Sharing Is Mathematically Impossible - 97 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:42:49] <exec> 08└─This story is about ride sharing, (car pooling). Its not about taxi's or how taxi's are summoned.
[07:42:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:1, Offtopic) 02Re:Double shot of reality - 06Suburban Ride-Sharing Is Mathematically Impossible - 481 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:42:51] <exec> 08└─I take it no one wants to carpool with jmorris. I understand. He will not allow us to listen to NPR on the way to work, and insists on AM talk radio! Can you imagine? In this day and age, listening to Amplitude Modulated radio waves? No wonder jmorris is so far behind the cool, and behind science....
[07:42:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2, Offtopic) 02Re:Double shot of reality - 06Suburban Ride-Sharing Is Mathematically Impossible - 824 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:42:53] <exec> 08└─And. . . . wait for it!. . . . troll mod for not wanting to carpool with jmorris? WTCP? (That is, "What The Car Pool?"). Unless it is a mod by jmorris himownself, in which case I am truly honored! Still wouldn't carpool with you, though. C'mon, all that right-wing talk radio is rotting your brain t...
[07:42:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:1, Offtopic) 02Re:Double shot of reality - 06Suburban Ride-Sharing Is Mathematically Impossible - 264 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:42:55] <exec> 08└─Third response to my own post. I realize this should never be done, but I thought that in case anyone should want to mod me down further, another post that they could do so on would be helpful. Beyond the double shot of reality is yet another chance of redemption.
[07:42:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Re:Double shot of reality - 06Suburban Ride-Sharing Is Mathematically Impossible - 637 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:42:57] <exec> 08└─Ah, I never knew about th origins of reality tv (citations appreciated), but that kinda confirms why I've been refusing to call it reality tv, and instead call it "tv without professional actors" (OK, I call it "reality tv" for short, but have never considered there to be any reality behind the scri...
[07:42:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Joe Desertrat [2454] (Score:2) 02Re:Double shot of reality - 06Suburban Ride-Sharing Is Mathematically Impossible - 401 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:42:59] <exec> 08└─h, I never knew about th origins of reality tv (citations appreciated), but that kinda confirms why I've been refusing to call it reality tv, and instead call it "tv without professional actors" (OK, I call it "reality tv" for short, but have never considered there to be any reality behind the scrip...
[07:43:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Re:Double shot of reality - 06Suburban Ride-Sharing Is Mathematically Impossible - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:01] <exec> 08└─Easier, more precise, and more accurate. Good call.
[07:43:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03tftp [806] (Score:3, Touché) 02Great idea if you like that kind of society - 06Suburban Ride-Sharing Is Mathematically Impossible - 317 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:43:02] <exec> 08└─I love this part of his speech: here’s an even simpler solution in Raney’s mind: cities and employers need to charge commuters market price for parking. That basic policy shift would raise the cost of driving alone to work enough to make travel alternatives like carpool or ride-share services...
[07:43:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Great idea if you like that kind of society - 06Suburban Ride-Sharing Is Mathematically Impossible - 691 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:04] <exec> 08└─I'm from the Government, I'm here to help! What he doesn't understand is that parking is already provided at market price. Work destinations that already provide parking in their own garages or lots pay for those lots, maintenance, taxes, etc. Land withing a city is very expensive. Parking is provid...
[07:43:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:Great idea if you like that kind of society - 06Suburban Ride-Sharing Is Mathematically Impossible - 1283 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:06] <exec> 08└─I think you misunderstood. Or, more likely, you trolled, but I'll bite. Parking Space is a limited resource, in most places. It belongs to a monopoly ("the city") or an oligopoly ("all owners of parking lots in a reasonable distance"). Places are given out on a first-come-first-serve basis. Sometime...
[07:43:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Great idea if you like that kind of society - 06Suburban Ride-Sharing Is Mathematically Impossible - 18 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:08] <exec> 08└─lol social justice
[07:43:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03tftp [806] (Score:2, Interesting) 02Re:Great idea if you like that kind of society - 06Suburban Ride-Sharing Is Mathematically Impossible - 163 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:10] <exec> 08└─Parking Space is a limited resource, in most places. It belongs to a monopoly ("the city") or an oligopoly ("all owners of parking lots in a reasonable distance").
[07:43:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Great idea if you like that kind of society - 06Suburban Ride-Sharing Is Mathematically Impossible - 252 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:11] <exec> 08└─Public transit is nasty. Some countries (like Japan) cannot avoid that fate, but I don't really want to be packed into a can with 100 strangers if that can be avoided. Public transit is one of most efficient methods of catching (and spreading) the flu.
[07:43:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nuke [3162] (Score:2) 02Re:Great idea if you like that kind of society - 06Suburban Ride-Sharing Is Mathematically Impossible - 24 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:13] <exec> 08└─Public transit is nasty.
[07:43:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:Great idea if you like that kind of society - 06Suburban Ride-Sharing Is Mathematically Impossible - 1684 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:15] <exec> 08└─Its a fundamental attitude difference between the groups. Americans are tend to be individualistic (to a fault), Europeans tend to be communal (to a fault). The default American transportation position seems: "I'll do it myself." The default European transportation position seems: "What options has...
[07:43:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03tftp [806] (Score:1) 02Re:Great idea if you like that kind of society - 06Suburban Ride-Sharing Is Mathematically Impossible - 875 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:17] <exec> 08└─Private ownership of houses and land is very common in the USA; that includes cities. Often you have to look hard for rental property. You cannot maintain an owned house without at very least having a personal car (better, a truck.) Bags with salt for the water softener, bags of soil for the backyar...
[07:43:18] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03SanityCheck [5190] 02Re:Great idea if you like that kind of society - 06Suburban Ride-Sharing Is Mathematically Impossible - 1717 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:18] <exec> 08└─I'm in the US and can vouch that it is utterly disgusting. If you touch the hand rail on the train, hand sanitizer is not gonna make things OK, trust me. Worse yet, it was the most inefficient use of my time and money, ever. I lived 2 towns over from college, a distance of 8 miles. It took me someti...
[07:43:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Re:Great idea if you like that kind of society - 06Suburban Ride-Sharing Is Mathematically Impossible - 357 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:20] <exec> 08└─> I lived 2 towns over from college, a distance of 8 miles. It took me sometimes upwards of an hour to make it to class ... Apparently the concept of the pedal bike hasn't reached america yet. It's like an e-moped, but without even the electric engine. Best of all, it's almost steam-punk with its "c...
[07:43:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03SanityCheck [5190] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:Great idea if you like that kind of society - 06Suburban Ride-Sharing Is Mathematically Impossible - 439 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:22] <exec> 08└─Right, let me ride a bike on a highway with NYC bound traffic, taking lungs of diesel exhaust with every breath, sometimes at night, in shitty weather, through neighborhoods where people get beaten to within an inch of their lives for bikes all so I can look like a snob and smell like a hobo. Please...
[07:43:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Great idea if you like that kind of society - 06Suburban Ride-Sharing Is Mathematically Impossible - 788 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:24] <exec> 08└─Did he just propose another tax to fix the minuscule issue that he just proved out mathematically? If there are 500 total people that could benefit from this scheme is it just not a tax on them (and a fairly high one at that)? The very people you want to encourage to create more jobs? This is nothin...
[07:43:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02Re:Great idea if you like that kind of society - 06Suburban Ride-Sharing Is Mathematically Impossible - 114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:25] <exec> 08└─Yes it's true, charging market prices instead of the government limiting what can be charged it totally socialist!
[07:43:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Marco2G [5749] (Score:2) 02There is a way - 06Suburban Ride-Sharing Is Mathematically Impossible - 2262 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:43:27] <exec> 08└─Of course there is a way to make carpooling work. People who share a workplace also need to share a community. It's that simple. Even with flexible work hours, chances that someone in your neighborhood will drive to work about the same time as you are much higher this way. I find it interesting how...
[07:43:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03tftp [806] (Score:2, Interesting) 02Re:There is a way - 06Suburban Ride-Sharing Is Mathematically Impossible - 317 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:29] <exec> 08└─The logical step would be to make companies pay at least half of the commuting expenses. That way, hiring locally would be encouraged. For large companies, the idea of having affordable company housing might be interesting. They could still earn a profit but have their staff closer and with a more e...
[07:43:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score:2) 02Re:There is a way - 06Suburban Ride-Sharing Is Mathematically Impossible - 134 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:30] <exec> 08└─While not viable for all companies, at least some could switch to telecommuting several days a week and staggering the in-office days.
[07:43:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03tftp [806] (Score:1) 02Re:There is a way - 06Suburban Ride-Sharing Is Mathematically Impossible - 1038 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:32] <exec> 08└─Perhaps, as one of possibilities. But telecommuting is not for every company and not for every department. How would accounting or HR work with papers that are stored in filing cabinets? How would hardware engineers solder ICs at home? How would firmware engineers access the hardware from home? Ther...
[07:43:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score:2) 02Re:There is a way - 06Suburban Ride-Sharing Is Mathematically Impossible - 694 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:34] <exec> 08└─I did say it isn't always feasible. However, for small devices, it is often more efficient for each developer to have his own test unit anyway. Hardware engineers don't spend all day every day soldering. It is true that there isn't an objective measure of productivity for most salaried jobs, but tha...
[07:43:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03NotSanguine [285] (Score:2) 02Re:There is a way - 06Suburban Ride-Sharing Is Mathematically Impossible - 452 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:36] <exec> 08└─However "hiring locally" might be a problem if there is no local talent anymore. Google and Apple are already increasing rents in Cupertino and Mountain View so much that common folks - like clerks that work in grocery stores - cannot afford to live nearby. Do you propose to punish the grocery store...
[07:43:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:4, Insightful) 02So it's NOT mathematically impossible, then - 06Suburban Ride-Sharing Is Mathematically Impossible - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:43:37] <exec> 08└─And in the suburbs, it’s downright mathematically impossible. Or just about, anyway
[07:43:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nuke [3162] (Score:2) 02Re:So it's NOT mathematically impossible, then - 06Suburban Ride-Sharing Is Mathematically Impossible - 64 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:39] <exec> 08└─Okay, so it's not mathematically impossible then, just unlikely.
[07:43:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02"math" - 06Suburban Ride-Sharing Is Mathematically Impossible - 642 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:43:41] <exec> 08└─So we get that roughly zero percent of people will be carpooling from one particular source to one particular destination at one particular time using a particular service, when you compare it to the total number of people living/working in source or destination, whichever number is greater? I don't...
[07:43:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score:4, Interesting) 02My attempts at car pooling - 06Suburban Ride-Sharing Is Mathematically Impossible - 800 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:43:43] <exec> 08└─In my early 20s a woman I worked with drove by my house on her way to work, so we started to car pool. She'd drive to my place, we'd pick a car, and drive to work. Worked well for a few months. Then I got sick at work. It's around noon, I don't know which end to hold over the toilet, and just wanted...
[07:43:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03hankwang [100] (Score:2) 02Re:My attempts at car pooling - 06Suburban Ride-Sharing Is Mathematically Impossible - 432 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:44] <exec> 08└─"She ended up leaving work early to go home with me. We didn't carpool after that." They don't have taxis around where you work? In Netherlands, a compact car costs about €0.25 per km (variable costs including mileage-dependent depreciation); car pooling saves you half of that. A taxi costs about...
[07:43:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:My attempts at car pooling - 06Suburban Ride-Sharing Is Mathematically Impossible - 105 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:46] <exec> 08└─The taxi would have cost prolly $20 (1980 dollars), when you're making minimum wage that's a day's wages.
[07:43:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03gnuman [5013] (Score:2) 02Re:My attempts at car pooling - 06Suburban Ride-Sharing Is Mathematically Impossible - 132 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:48] <exec> 08└─So what? If you only had an emergency like that once, then what is the problem? She ended up leaving work early to go home with me.
[07:43:49] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03gman003 [4155] 02Inconsistent - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 1210 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:43:50] <exec> 08└─Let's suppose, for the sake of argument, that retracting citizenship is an effective measure against terrorists. Why should that be limited to only those with dual citizenship? If someone was born in France, and is a citizen of France and France alone, and they are known to be a terrorist, why shoul...
[07:43:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03davester666 [155] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:Inconsistent - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 759 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:51] <exec> 08└─Only SOME terrorists are willing to die during their attacks. Namely, the dumb ones. The smarter ones are the 'planners', who don't voluntarily go off to die. If the person you are talking to says "I've got your back." it means they want you to stand between them and the 'enemy'. Anyway, I believe u...
[07:43:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Inconsistent - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 61 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:53] <exec> 08└─you can't strip a person of their only country of citizenship
[07:43:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02Re:Inconsistent - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 525 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:55] <exec> 08└─Because there are numerous binding treaties that say states are not allowed under any circumstances to render a person stateless. It's right up there with genocide in terms of crimes against humanity. It's not clear that even stripping citizenship of dual nationals is legal. If both countries decide...
[07:43:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:Inconsistent - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:56] <exec> 08└─Why should that be limited to only those with dual citizenship?
[07:43:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Inconsistent - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 125 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:58] <exec> 08└─Actually, this is called "The Politician's Fallacy"! So you do win the internet for the day! And, Jonathon Pollard. Traitor.
[07:43:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:Inconsistent - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 330 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:44:00] <exec> 08└─You mean Politician's syllogism [wikipedia.org], perchance? Unfortunately, it's no longer a subject of satire today; as the majority of populace won't recognize a fallacy (logic has been banished in school long ago - replaced by teaching to the test), it therefore became a valid strategy for the ast...
[07:44:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:4, Funny) 02Re:Inconsistent - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 267 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:44:01] <exec> 08└─Perchance. Someday, the liberal arts will return to education, after the Republican arts have been tried and found that Joseph did not build the pyramids to store grain. Stupid is self correcting, or at least self-Darwin-Awarding. We need to lengthen the spawn cycle.
[07:44:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimshatt [978] (Score:4, Interesting) 02Re:Inconsistent - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 133 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:44:03] <exec> 08└─*Too* stupid is self-correcting. Stupid enough to be exploited by the less stupid, unfortunately, is not. But I salute your optimism.
[07:44:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:Inconsistent - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 71 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:44:05] <exec> 08└─Stupid enough to be exploited by the less stupid, unfortunately, is not
[07:44:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimshatt [978] (Score:2) 02Re:Inconsistent - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 315 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:44:07] <exec> 08└─The fitness function may include stupidity as a parameter, but it's not evident that the relation is linear. That is, lesser values of s don't necessarily lead to better fitness. Evolution doesn't work towards some goal of least stupid super-humanity. As I'm sure you know. Conclusion: there'll alway...
[07:44:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:Inconsistent - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 41 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:44:08] <exec> 08└─Conclusion: there'll always be stupidity.
[07:44:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:Inconsistent - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:44:10] <exec> 08└─Stupid is self correcting, or at least self-Darwin-Awarding.
[07:44:11] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03nishi.b [4243] 02Re:Inconsistent - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 1274 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:44:12] <exec> 08└─I can answer to this part: > If someone was born in France, and is a citizen of France and France alone, and they are known to be a terrorist, why shouldn't this measure be used against them? There are international treaties on human rights (including from the EU) that France signed that prevent a c...
[07:44:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03xav [5579] (Score:1) 02Re:Inconsistent - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 768 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:44:14] <exec> 08└─> > If someone was born in France, and is a citizen of France and France alone, and they are known to be a terrorist, why shouldn't this measure be used against them? > There are international treaties on human rights (including from the EU) that France signed that prevent a country from making some...
[07:44:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02Re:Inconsistent - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 710 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:44:15] <exec> 08└─I suspect the EU would sanction France if they actually past it in their Constitution. Europe in general appears to be pretty sensitive on the subject due to the events of 1936-1945 (and I'm trying to avoid godwinning this thread). Some countries require you to renounce citizenship if you become a d...
[07:44:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:4, Interesting) 02Re:Inconsistent - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 2675 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:44:17] <exec> 08└─According to my Jewish friends with relatives in Isreal the way "REAL" terrorism is organized is your typical pyramid structure. So at the bottom there's a shitton of people who are like "yeah my brother pulls the wings off flies and draws swastikas everywhere but whatever he's my bro". So they're p...
[07:44:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03https [5248] (Score:3, Touché) 02Re:Inconsistent - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:44:19] <exec> 08└─And then at the top you've got the people with armored CATs stealing land and building walls around it.
[07:44:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:2) 02Re:Inconsistent - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 286 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:44:21] <exec> 08└─Well, both sides behave badly, but my point of only listing the pyramid of bad guys on one side was just being concise about it. Also I personally heard the rant from a Jewish dude with relatives there, but I don't have the Palestinian connections so I got nothing first hand to report.
[07:44:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03BK [4868] (Score:4, Interesting) 02Re:Inconsistent - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 893 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:44:22] <exec> 08└─Citizenship in this case has more to do with transit than anything else. International law seems to allow me to be a citizen of any country that will agree that I am a citizen. Fine. It also says that I can have a passport - travel documents - from each of these places. In effect, I seem to be able...
[07:44:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:3, Insightful) 02You lost - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 209 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:44:24] <exec> 08└─You've been terrorized; you lost. And not only have you been terrorized, but you are doing something incredibly cowardly: Infringing upon liberties in the name of security. Pathetic, much like all governments.
[07:44:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:1, Troll) 02Re:You lost - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 1214 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:44:26] <exec> 08└─Muslims are scum. Now that my schitck requirement has been satisfied, you are correct. But more importantly, that outsiders are further demonized and freedoms are on the chopping-block is indicative of the most insidious problem at all -- nobody has learned anything from 9/11 (or anything, for that...
[07:44:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03mendax [2840] (Score:1, Flamebait) 02Re:You lost - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 17 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:44:28] <exec> 08└─Muslims are scum.
[07:44:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score:2) 02Re:You lost - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 7 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:44:29] <exec> 08└─Whoosh.
[07:44:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Offtopic) 02Re:You lost - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:44:31] <exec> 08└─screeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee BOOOOOOM
[07:44:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Offtopic) 02Re:You lost - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:44:33] <exec> 08└─Why-why would you do that? (See Thorium on youtube for the reference).
[07:44:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:You lost - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 79 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:44:34] <exec> 08└─Wait! jmorris cannot "Whoosh!" Is nothing sacred anymore? Oh the Huge Mantee!
[07:44:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03q.kontinuum [532] (Score:3, Funny) 02Re:You lost - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 93 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:44:36] <exec> 08└─Did you know that 950% of all people haven't even basic knowledge of percentage calculations?
[07:44:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03mendax [2840] (Score:2) 02Re:You lost - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:44:38] <exec> 08└─I guess 1000000% of them don't know about exaggeration.... or a stuck zero key. ;-)
[07:44:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:You lost - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 354 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:44:40] <exec> 08└─This seems to be a desperate knee-jerk attempt to shut a gate that was opened by the Leftists after WW2. A bit late, as some of the terrorists are 2nd generation born on French soil. Europe's love of liberalism has come to roost. The grandchildren of those who perpetrated the crime against their own...
[07:44:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:You lost - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 174 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:44:41] <exec> 08└─I think it's rather France's colonial past that is coming home to roost. Bet they never thought stuff like this would happen when they were kicking the snot out of Algerians.
[07:44:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02Re:You lost - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 525 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:44:43] <exec> 08└─Was there confirmation that the attackers were Algerian? I didn't see that on the BBC. To be frank, a good chunk of Europe that had a navy participated in what was known as the Great Game of carving up the rest of the world into various colonial holdings. The British empire more or less broke apart...
[07:44:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nuke [3162] (Score:2) 02Re:You lost - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 33 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:44:45] <exec> 08└─You've been terrorized; you lost.
[07:44:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anal Pumpernickel [776] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:You lost - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 20 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:44:47] <exec> 08└─So you'd do nothing?
[07:44:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anal Pumpernickel [776] (Score:2) 02Re:You lost - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 365 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:44:48] <exec> 08└─Additionally, in the US, we get molested by worthless government thugs at airports, have our communications spied on, and many people jump at the mere sight of someone who appears as if they would be Muslim. Other countries, France included, want to take some similar measures. If you don't think tha...
[07:44:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score:2) 02Re:You lost - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:44:50] <exec> 08└─by Nuke (3162) I would have been one of those people who would have gone out and met them, kicked arse and taken as many down as I could before they took me - if they did.
[07:44:51] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03GungnirSniper [1671] 02Modern vs. Classical Citizenship - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 545 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:44:52] <exec> 08└─This is a larger philosophical discussion than just the last 60 years or so. The very meaning of citizenship as we understand it in a modern sense has little to do with collective duty, and is more like a club membership where you can get it just by hanging around long enough. The classical version...
[07:44:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:Modern vs. Classical Citizenship - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 149 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:44:53] <exec> 08└─The classical version of citizenship included a two-way of duty between the state and citizen, and often had some educational and wealth requirements
[07:44:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:2) 02France requires national service - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 788 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:44:55] <exec> 08└─that can be military service but doesn't have to be - a friend of mine at CERN was able to do his national service by working on an experimental physics collaboration in the US. I would like to see national service in the United States. From time to time a president will float the idea but nothing e...
[07:44:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03SecurityGuy [1453] (Score:2) 02The greater problem - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:44:57] <exec> 08└─President Hollande's proposal would dramatically exacerbate the problem and so give rise to further terrorism.
[07:44:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:The greater problem - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:44:58] <exec> 08└─Cute. One thing the West and IS enthusiastically agree on is that the killing of people is an excellent justification for the killing of people.
[07:44:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The greater problem - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 131 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:45:00] <exec> 08└─Bingo. I don't think I've ever heard of any group wanting to kill another because they weren't allowed on to their patch of dirt...
[07:45:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Dubious - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 892 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:45:02] <exec> 08└─The time is coming when we of the West may have to reconsider the past indiscriminate immigration without assimilation policies, especially when it comes to Muslims. But I'm going to mostly side with the objections raised. If done in isolation it will amplify the problem. And if you get drug into a...
[07:45:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:2) 02Re:Dubious - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 1974 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:45:03] <exec> 08└─For demographic reasons you have to be open to the idea of the whites being kicked out like Zimbabwe or South Africa. Where will the white minority of France go, Germany? Ovens? When the Louvre is burned down to build a mosque on the site is there a plan to rescue the paintings first? Just saying th...
[07:45:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Dubious - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 442 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:45:05] <exec> 08└─Note that its possible to ethnically cleanse and demographically and culturally replace a population in a mostly civilized manner. Look at the former parts of the USA that are Spanish speaking Hispanic areas, basically central and south america transplanted as if by magic. They are not US citizens a...
[07:45:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:Dubious - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:45:07] <exec> 08└─Just boot the whole family. Don't pick and choose.
[07:45:07] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03PinkyGigglebrain [4458] 02Why does this sound a bit familiar? - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 157 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:45:08] <exec> 08└─" ... put forward a bill this week to extend a state of emergency for three months, enhancing police power to restrict freedom of movement and gatherings ,,,
[07:45:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02Re:Why does this sound a bit familiar? - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 204 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:45:10] <exec> 08└─Honestly, if you compare the 9/11 attacks and response to the First World War, and what's happening now to the prelude of events that kicked off the second, I find a rather disturbing number of parallels.
[07:45:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:4, Informative) 02Birth does not convey citizenship - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:45:11] <exec> 08└─I understand there are some European countries in which birth does not convey citizenship.
[07:45:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Informative) 02Re:Birth does not convey citizenship - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 331 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:45:13] <exec> 08└─People have tried to claim it in Australia. Particularily muslims. I gave birth here! This child is Australian! Bullshit. So many attempts have now been made to get the bleeding hearts onboard to allow them in. No. They prove time and again that being Australian is not what they want. They want our...
[07:45:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Re:Birth does not convey citizenship - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 121 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:45:15] <exec> 08└─People have tried to claim it in Australia. Particularily muslims. I gave birth here! This child is Australian! Bullshit.
[07:45:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03bootsy [3440] (Score:2) 02Re:Birth does not convey citizenship - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 434 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:45:16] <exec> 08└─Indeed in the UK it requires more than just Birth to be considered a citizen and gain a passport ( I am aware the two concepts are not identical ). The rules change every now and then, just as they do in the USA, but being born in the country is not enough. You need at least one parent to also hold...
[07:45:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Birth does not convey citizenship - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 199 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:45:18] <exec> 08└─It turns out that is also the case in Canada. One parent must be a citizen and the baby must be born in Canada. So that leaves only the US in the developed world where Birth in-country is sufficient.
[07:45:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03PocketSizeSUn [5340] (Score:1) 02Re:Birth does not convey citizenship - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 348 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:45:20] <exec> 08└─https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jus_soli [wikipedia.org] Many of the countries in the Americas are Unrestricted jus soli. Most of the EU countries are Restricted jus soli. Also several EU countries offer citizenship by ancestry. http://livingingreece.gr
[07:45:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Funny) 02Yes but.... - 06PEZY's Next Many-Core Chip Will Include a MIPS 64-Bit CPU - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:45:21] <exec> 08└─Yes, but will it run Irix? If not, who cares?
[07:45:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheRaven [270] (Score:4, Informative) 02Re:Yes but.... - 06PEZY's Next Many-Core Chip Will Include a MIPS 64-Bit CPU - 587 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:45:23] <exec> 08└─Very doubtful. Warrior is a MIPS64r6 core, which breaks backwards compat with all previous MIPS releases. For example, all of the branch-likely opcodes are reused for compact branch instructions, which don't have a delay slot (branch likely has a weird delay slot that is only executed in the branch-...
[07:45:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Re:Yes but.... - 06PEZY's Next Many-Core Chip Will Include a MIPS 64-Bit CPU - 721 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:45:25] <exec> 08└─> delay slot that is only executed in the branch-taken case, which is horrible to try to reason about in the compiler That's a bit weird. For simplicity, did compiler writers just stuff the same instruction in the branch delay slot and the next address after the non-taken branch? (Namely a bit of th...
[07:45:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheRaven [270] (Score:2) 02Re:Yes but.... - 06PEZY's Next Many-Core Chip Will Include a MIPS 64-Bit CPU - 162 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:45:26] <exec> 08└─That's a bit weird. For simplicity, did compiler writers just stuff the same instruction in the branch delay slot and the next address after the non-taken branch?
[07:45:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Re:Yes but.... - 06PEZY's Next Many-Core Chip Will Include a MIPS 64-Bit CPU - 69 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:45:28] <exec> 08└─Arm64's a sell-out. More interested in Cavium OCTEON, to be honest...
[07:45:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02ad copy - 06PEZY's Next Many-Core Chip Will Include a MIPS 64-Bit CPU - 20 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:45:30] <exec> 08└─easy pezy japeneasy.
[07:45:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score:3, Funny) 02Oh noes... - 06In Greenland, Another Major Glacier Comes Undone - 48 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:45:31] <exec> 08└─here comes the next hollywood movie: SHARKBERG!!
[07:45:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bogsnoticus [3982] (Score:3, Touché) 02Re:Oh noes... - 06In Greenland, Another Major Glacier Comes Undone - 163 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:45:33] <exec> 08└─Not catchy enough. SHARKBERGNADO, however, is something that sounds so horrifyingly bad, you'll invite all your mates around to watch, and even supply the popcorn.
[07:45:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03linkdude64 [5482] (Score:3, Funny) 02Re:Oh noes... - 06In Greenland, Another Major Glacier Comes Undone - 178 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:45:35] <exec> 08└─If there was ever a topic so grave that its severity should not be diffused with humor, it's global warming. I really wish I could find some way to laugh about this, I really do.
[07:45:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02Re:Oh noes... - 06In Greenland, Another Major Glacier Comes Undone - 116 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:45:36] <exec> 08└─If there was ever a topic so grave that its severity should not be diffused with humor Don't worry. There isn't.
[07:45:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03PocketSizeSUn [5340] (Score:1) 02For Sale - 06In Greenland, Another Major Glacier Comes Undone - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:45:38] <exec> 08└─Beach front property goes on deep discount. Deal of a lifetime! Buy it before it goes away!
[07:45:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:3, Funny) 02Re:For Sale - 06In Greenland, Another Major Glacier Comes Undone - 456 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:45:39] <exec> 08└─The thing that makes me laugh and laugh is the thought of all those mansions in the Hamptons being underwater--literally. And the private islands the billionaires have been stocking up on to escape the coming revenge of the plebes. Evil billionaire's private jet touches down on landing strip. Limous...
[07:45:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03xav [5579] (Score:1) 02Re:For Sale - 06In Greenland, Another Major Glacier Comes Undone - 177 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:45:41] <exec> 08└─> Beach front property goes on deep discount. Deal of a lifetime! Buy it before it goes away! But be prepared to spend twice the cost of that property into making it waterproof.
[07:45:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0, Troll) 02Climate Change - 06In Greenland, Another Major Glacier Comes Undone - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:45:43] <exec> 08└─Looks like we'll soon be able to go back to calling it 'global warming' instead of 'climate change'?
[07:45:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score:2, Informative) 02Oh really... - 06In Greenland, Another Major Glacier Comes Undone - 1895 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:45:45] <exec> 08└─Little early to say what this winter brings but we know about the previous one. A minute of Google gets this: 20.01.2015 17:53 Age: 301 days Ice is accumulating on Greenland at a faster rate than average, according to the latest data. This follows a dramatic slow down in the melt rate observed last...
[07:45:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Oh really... - 06In Greenland, Another Major Glacier Comes Undone - 156 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:45:46] <exec> 08└─Citizen science at its finest... one minute search inside google's filter bubble. Then cherry pick the best-of parts you really really want to hear. Oh wow.
[07:45:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Freeman [732] (Score:2) 02Re:Oh really... - 06In Greenland, Another Major Glacier Comes Undone - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:45:48] <exec> 08└─You mean like the corporate scientists that should be doing real science?
[07:45:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02Re:Oh really... - 06In Greenland, Another Major Glacier Comes Undone - 696 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:45:50] <exec> 08└─Oh yeah, cherry picking at it's finest!! Notice he doesn't include links. Because if he did you would notice these gems: Last month NOAA reported satellite data showing that the rate of ice loss from the Greenland Ice Sheet slowed significantly in 2014. The Greenland Ice Sheet normally acc...
[07:45:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Funny) 02sun shade? - 06In Greenland, Another Major Glacier Comes Undone - 234 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:45:51] <exec> 08└─i assume the sea / ocean bottom will also "retreat" a bit with all that extra weight distributed evenly and thus will compress earths core a tiny bit more, hopefully leading to a stronger magnetic shield for earth inhabitants overall?
[07:45:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Covalent [43] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Climate change denier campaign song - 06In Greenland, Another Major Glacier Comes Undone - 518 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:45:53] <exec> 08└─Pompeii: And the ice kept tumbling down On the planet that we looooooooove Great bergs crashed down from the north Bringing flooding from abooooooove But if you close your eyes Does it almost seem like Nothing's changed at all And if you close you eyes Does it almost feel like You've been here befor...
[07:45:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:4, Funny) 02Re:Climate change denier campaign song - 06In Greenland, Another Major Glacier Comes Undone - 111 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:45:55] <exec> 08└─I hear the Climate Change Deniers are looking to rent office space on the floor above the Flat Earth Society...
[07:45:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Dunbal [3515] (Score:2, Redundant) 02Glaciers are melting! - 06In Greenland, Another Major Glacier Comes Undone - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:45:56] <exec> 08└─Everyone panic, it's not like they've been doing this since the last ice age.
[07:45:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03GreatAuntAnesthesia [3275] (Score:2) 02Re:Glaciers are melting! - 06In Greenland, Another Major Glacier Comes Undone - 830 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:45:58] <exec> 08└─"Hey, we've discovered a bug in the ECU of a particular range of cars that means that the brakes will stop working when you need them most." Dunbal's response: "Don't panic, cars have always had brakes." "Oh no, that plane full of orphans and puppies and orphaned puppies just crashed into a hand-gre...
[07:45:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02Re:Glaciers are melting! - 06In Greenland, Another Major Glacier Comes Undone - 99 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:46:00] <exec> 08└─We didn't have millions of people living within 18 inches of the high tide last time this happened.
[07:46:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Glaciers are melting! - 06In Greenland, Another Major Glacier Comes Undone - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:46:01] <exec> 08└─Perhaps we should fix that, as there are many more reasons beyond possible ocean rise for why living that close to high tide is a bad idea.
[07:46:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Hmm - 06Microsoft Reportedly Abandons "Suicidal" Android-on-Windows Plan - 534 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:46:03] <exec> 08└─Interesting take. If they do nothing, it'll sink into oblivion. If they do something, it'll take longer to sink. Could the argument really be how to be a 'good corporate citizen' like in Adam Smith's Capitolism, or Game-theory like 'how to horde all the nuts'? If the free market isnt into nuts, why...
[07:46:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Hmm - 06Microsoft Reportedly Abandons "Suicidal" Android-on-Windows Plan - 476 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:46:05] <exec> 08└─yes, it is interesting, and balance. by balance, I mean, you live by globalization, as a consumer of labor. Sucks for me. You also die by it, everythings connected. Sure, it's not the same market, but the underlying pressure is the same, from an economics perspective. For a while, everything was suf...
[07:46:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02''Adam Smith's Capitolism'' - 06Microsoft Reportedly Abandons "Suicidal" Android-on-Windows Plan - 305 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:46:06] <exec> 08└─That dude had insights we didn't even know about?? He was giving advice on how to select a country's seat of government? inferior products "Microsoft is an incredibly successful empire, built on the premise of market dominance with low-quality goods." --Richard Clarke, former White House advisor --...
[07:46:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03nicdoye [3908] (Score:1) 02Universal Windows Platform - 06Microsoft Reportedly Abandons "Suicidal" Android-on-Windows Plan - 257 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:46:08] <exec> 08└─Isn't "Windows Bridge for Android" https://dev.windows.com [windows.com] and similarly iOS https://dev.windows.com [windows.com] a better fit for MS? You bring your existing code base and then integrate with MS APIs ?
[07:46:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Universal Windows Platform - 06Microsoft Reportedly Abandons "Suicidal" Android-on-Windows Plan - 388 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:46:10] <exec> 08└─From Windows Central article: Astoria was never released to developers openly. Instead, they had to apply to test out the tools, which were still under development. Developer feedback and their experiences would be gathered in a closed forum found at bridgeforandroid.windows.com [windows.com]. At th...
[07:46:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:3, Interesting) 02Doing it Backwards - 06Microsoft Reportedly Abandons "Suicidal" Android-on-Windows Plan - 984 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:46:12] <exec> 08└─They should have gone the other way around -- port the windows phone API to Android. Android is really just linux with a propriety blob of services from Google. Amazon has a similar proprietary blob of services for their Fire tablets and phone. MS should port the windows phone API to android and mak...
[07:46:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Hairyfeet [75] (Score:2) 02Re:Doing it Backwards - 06Microsoft Reportedly Abandons "Suicidal" Android-on-Windows Plan - 1554 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:46:13] <exec> 08└─Uhhh because nobody would use it? Android has enough marketshare to practically be a monopoly while WinPhone has sub 5%, so what good would having the WinPhone API on Android had done? If a dev is so poor they can't get a WinPhone to code on (last I checked you could get quad core WinPhones for $100...
[07:46:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Doing it Backwards - 06Microsoft Reportedly Abandons "Suicidal" Android-on-Windows Plan - 514 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:46:15] <exec> 08└─> what good would having the WinPhone API on Android had done? MS can only win by providing more value. That means a better development environment, better links to all of MS's enterprise software, etc. Nobody develops for actual windows phones because nobody owns any so no matter how much better va...
[07:46:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02MS: Pay Xamarin release .NET for Android for free - 06Microsoft Reportedly Abandons "Suicidal" Android-on-Windows Plan - 155 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:46:17] <exec> 08└─Add a compatibility layer API that lets you target WP and Android. Now at least devs are 1) using .NET to code apps and 2) creating WP native apps as well.
[07:46:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03PizzaRollPlinkett [4512] (Score:2) 02emulator trashed my machine...! - 06Microsoft Reportedly Abandons "Suicidal" Android-on-Windows Plan - 1503 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:46:18] <exec> 08└─A Miraluka could have seen this coming. Microsoft's Android effort had fail written all over it from day 1. I was eager to try MS's new emulator, thinking it couldn't be worse than Google's slow one. Wrong! Their emulator trashed my machine. I could not use the Internet after I installed it. How doe...
[07:46:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03joshuajon [807] (Score:2) 02Re:emulator trashed my machine...! - 06Microsoft Reportedly Abandons "Suicidal" Android-on-Windows Plan - 41 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:46:20] <exec> 08└─you boil the water and pour in the packet
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[08:34:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03aristarchus [2645] (Score:2) 02Jumaji? - 06 Ancient Board Game Found in Looted China Tomb - 909 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:34:08] <exec> 08└─Exactly what game was this alleged "Andy" playing when he supposedly cast a so-called "time warp"? I hardly think it would have been Chinese, especially not Han Chinese, because time travel was not a meme in that time and place. More to the point was reading the "chi". You know, the chi that tells...
[08:34:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Wiped Tapes - 06Moon Landing Tapes Got Erased, NASA Admits - 118 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:34:23] <exec> 08└─Person can read and write, yet seems to doubt the existence of the moon. I would say there's a 51% chance it's satire.
[08:34:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02"New, improved" - 06Moon Landing Tapes Got Erased, NASA Admits - 75 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:34:41] <exec> 08└─No, it's not improved but raped. It's nothing less than falsifying history.
[08:34:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:2) 02Re:"New, improved" - 06Moon Landing Tapes Got Erased, NASA Admits - 29 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:34:42] <exec> 08└─You're thinking of Star Wars.
[08:35:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Bah, screw source - 06How Cisco is Trying to Keep NSA Spies Out of its Gear - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:35:10] <exec> 08└─vpro AMT "you trust the silicon doesn't have any special features? A RAM chip that has an entire computer hidden away on a second die layer bea"
[08:35:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score:2) 02Re:Cat people - 06Humans Are Not Unitary Individuals But Superorganisms - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:35:42] <exec> 08└─Laying *in* your neck? That doesn't sound healthy. You should really have a doctor take a look at that.
[08:36:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score:2) 02Re:That's fine - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 214 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:36:57] <exec> 08└─Hmm. Does bring to mind that article awhile back where the tank factory was building a successor to the Abrams and the Army was all, "The hell are you talking about? Our tanks are fine. We don't need any new ones."
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[09:34:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Recommendations... - 06The Intercept's Interview with Edward Snowden and His Recommendations on Reclaiming Privacy - 394 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[09:34:39] <exec> 08└─encrypt hard disk - CHECK password manager - CHECK two-factor authentication - CHECK use tor - SOMETIMES use adblock - CHECK encrypt phone calls - Ah, no. About the only people I talk to on the phone are my customers, and I can't very well ask them to install Signal just to keep the conversation fro...
[09:34:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03MostCynical [2589] (Score:2) 02Pictures! - 06Termites Are Teaching Architects to Design Super-Efficient Skyscrapers - 381 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[09:34:56] <exec> 08└─More information and pictures: http://www.mickpearce.com [mickpearce.com] "Eastgate’s ventilation system costs one-tenth that of a comparable air-conditioned building and uses 35 per cent less energy than comparable conventional buildings...
[09:35:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03WalksOnDirt [5854] (Score:1) 02What a gamer wants to know - 06 Ancient Board Game Found in Looted China Tomb - 175 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[09:35:07] <exec> 08└─Hey! How about telling us what form the 14-sided die was. Maybe a cubooctahedron [wikipedia.org] or a truncated cube [wikipedia.org]? Were all faces equally likely to come up?
[09:36:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score:1) 02Re:ArchLinux users fuck dogs - 06Humans Are Not Unitary Individuals But Superorganisms - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:36:44] <exec> 08└─Neither male nor aspie. Care to try again, genius?
[09:37:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0, Disagree) 023 problems - 06AMA Calls for Ban on Direct to Consumer Advertising of Prescription Drugs - 230 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[09:37:49] <exec> 08└─1 - Free Speech. Why should a company not have that right too, if they are pushing legal products? 2 - Free Market. Telling consumers you exist is an important part. 3 - Who gives the government the right to restrict my knowledge?
[09:38:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Re:That's fine - 06CIA Chief: Terrorists Harder to Find, Because of Leaks, Reforms - 316 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:38:15] <exec> 08└─> Obama told Saudis and the rest of the anti-Iranian clique in the Middle East to NOT arm ISIS and the rest of the "freedom fighters" in Syria. There's a word for telling people to not do what you're actively doing yourself - hypocricy. And when it comes to matters like this, the word "stupidity" co...
[09:42:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nuke [3162] (Score:2) 02Re:Great idea if you like that kind of society - 06Suburban Ride-Sharing Is Mathematically Impossible - 204 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:42:51] <exec> 08└─European population is significantly urbanized. Perhaps someone from EU can extend this comment from the other side of the ocean - how common privately owned homes are, and what it takes to maintain them.
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[10:34:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Re:Make believe encryption - 06The New York Times Quietly Pulls Article Blaming Encryption in Paris Attacks - 641 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:34:49] <exec> 08└─As far as I know, OTR is still trusted. It's been well reviewed and audited. Of course, that doesn't mean it won't be back-doored in the future, so keep using a trusted version and don't upgrade blindly. And if they start introducing incompatibilities which force you to upgrade, be extremely suspici...
[10:34:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03gringer [962] (Score:3, Informative) 02Kind that doesn't involve additional encryption - 06The New York Times Quietly Pulls Article Blaming Encryption in Paris Attacks - 304 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[10:34:51] <exec> 08└─According to The Intercept, they were communicating using unencrypted text messages: https://theintercept.com [theintercept.com] So I guess the encryption technology being used was whatever the standard cellphone network u...
[10:34:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Kind that doesn't involve additional encryption - 06The New York Times Quietly Pulls Article Blaming Encryption in Paris Attacks - 213 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:34:52] <exec> 08└─We call that encryption "none". Only end-to-end encryption is actual encryption, anything else is "I trust you not to reveal my secret information to anyone else as you pass it around to its eventual destination".
[10:34:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Dr Spin [5239] (Score:2) 02Can you say "wool" and "eyes" - 06The New York Times Quietly Pulls Article Blaming Encryption in Paris Attacks - 609 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[10:34:54] <exec> 08└─Surely it is quite obvious that the plot is to persuade the tera-ists (ie those with terabytes) to use encryption by claiming that the authorities can't crack their encryption, when actually, they can. Hardly anyone uses encryption, and if only the dodgy ones do, then you know whose comms to hack! A...
[10:34:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03rigrig [5129] (Score:1) 02Not about banning encryption - 06The New York Times Quietly Pulls Article Blaming Encryption in Paris Attacks - 821 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[10:34:56] <exec> 08└─For intelligence agencies, this isn't about banning encryption, it's about shifting the blame. Hint: terrorists have been using encryption since long before Snowden, so blaming him only makes sense when looking for a well-known scapegoat. Sure, some people might take them serious and actually try to...
[10:35:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nuke [3162] (Score:2) 02High Fives ? - 06 Ancient Board Game Found in Looted China Tomb - 287 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[10:35:34] <exec> 08└─a poem written ......... gives an idea as to what the game was like: "Then, with bamboo dice and ivory pieces, the game of Liu Bo is begun; sides are taken; they advance together; keenly they threaten each other. Pieces are kinged, and the scoring doubled. Shouts of 'five white!' arise"
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[11:35:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02John Brennan again? - 06TSA Protester Needs Your Help - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[11:35:22] <exec> 08└─The Director of the Central Intelligence Agency [soylentnews.org] is protesting the TSA?!
[11:35:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:2) 02Well... - 06TSA Protester Needs Your Help - 41 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[11:35:23] <exec> 08└─I must say, I've got to admire his balls.
[11:35:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Lemming [1053] (Score:2) 02Paris Terrorists Used Double ROT-13 Encryption - 06The New York Times Quietly Pulls Article Blaming Encryption in Paris Attacks - 135 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[11:35:39] <exec> 08└─Bruce Schneier has a blog post on this [schneier.com]: "Paris Terrorists Used Double ROT-13 Encryption. That is, no encryption at all."
[11:45:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:2) 02Re:You lost - 06French President Proposes Constitutional Amendment to Withdraw Citizenship from Dual Nationals - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:45:09] <exec> 08└─I used Algeria as shorthand for 'colonial past coming home to roost.' But Syria was also under French occupation.
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