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[07:34:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Tork [3914] (Score:2) 02Huh. - 06The Most Common Job in Each State 1978-2014 - 114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:01] <exec> 08└─There's actually a bit where Florida had "Primary School Teacher". I'd say more but my brain jammed into neutral.
[07:34:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Not believabe - 06The Most Common Job in Each State 1978-2014 - 383 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:02] <exec> 08└─They seem to default to truck driver for long periods of times before there were any significant amount of truck traffic. Or roads. And truck drivers were never a significant percentage of any of the state's I'm familiar with where as farmers, loggers construction workers, and industrial workers wer...
[07:34:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score:2) 02Re:Not believabe - 06The Most Common Job in Each State 1978-2014 - 376 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:34:03] <exec> 08└─Ports (imports). Log trucks. Produce. Amazon. I can believe that the trucking industry is a major employer. Take farmer -- some family owns an orchard which produces apples but it takes 100 trucks to move them to where they are going. That farmer would have some seasonal pickers, and a few year rou...
[07:34:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03RedBear [1734] (Score:2) 02Re:Not believabe - 06The Most Common Job in Each State 1978-2014 - 383 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:34:05] <exec> 08└─They seem to default to truck driver for long periods of times before there were any significant amount of truck traffic. Or roads. And truck drivers were never a significant percentage of any of the state's I'm familiar with where as farmers, loggers construction workers, and industrial workers wer...
[07:34:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03gordo [1169] (Score:1) 02Re:Not believabe - 06The Most Common Job in Each State 1978-2014 - 232 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:34:08] <exec> 08└─Well, it's possible when you consider that truck driver includes UPS/FedEx/USPS types, as well as long haul truckers and short haul delivery of goods to stores and restaurants. A *lot* of truck drivers are required to do this stuff.
[07:34:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03M. Baranczak [1673] (Score:2) 02Re:Not believabe - 06The Most Common Job in Each State 1978-2014 - 131 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:34:09] <exec> 08└─They seem to default to truck driver for long periods of times before there were any significant amount of truck traffic. Or roads.
[07:34:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Funny) 02Cheap Piece of Crap - 06$6,000 Computer Desk Lets You Lie Down While You Work - 34 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:17] <exec> 08└─My headphone costs more than that.
[07:34:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Cheap Piece of Crap - 06$6,000 Computer Desk Lets You Lie Down While You Work - 12 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:34:18] <exec> 08└─get two then
[07:34:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03That_Dude [2503] (Score:2) 02Really... - 06$6,000 Computer Desk Lets You Lie Down While You Work - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:20] <exec> 08└─It would be cheaper to get a surplus dental chair and make modifications.
[07:34:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03mhajicek [51] (Score:2) 02Re:Really... - 06$6,000 Computer Desk Lets You Lie Down While You Work - 33 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:34:22] <exec> 08└─Or slap together some 80-20 rail.
[07:34:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03That_Dude [2503] (Score:2) 02Re:Really... - 06$6,000 Computer Desk Lets You Lie Down While You Work - 171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:34:24] <exec> 08└─I can see it now... Fastest geek on the salt flats - maintaining bitchin' upload speeds at 300mph + and successful penetration testing before the end of the run! I'm down!
[07:34:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03captain normal [2205] (Score:2) 02Re:Really... - 06$6,000 Computer Desk Lets You Lie Down While You Work - 205 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:34:25] <exec> 08└─That was my first (and last) impression of the device shown on the infinite loop auto load video that loaded and ran without my permission on the businessinsider site. It's just a modified dentist's chair.
[07:34:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03That_Dude [2503] (Score:2) 02Re:Really... - 06$6,000 Computer Desk Lets You Lie Down While You Work - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:34:28] <exec> 08└─Dental supply houses will let old chairs go for less than $2,000.
[07:34:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03snufu [5855] (Score:1) 02Re:Really... - 06$6,000 Computer Desk Lets You Lie Down While You Work - 54 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:34:29] <exec> 08└─Except that modifications take time and time is money.
[07:34:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03tftp [806] (Score:3, Funny) 02Must have for H1B's - 06$6,000 Computer Desk Lets You Lie Down While You Work - 1097 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:31] <exec> 08└─If you are a software PHB, search no more. This is the ultimate solution to fix all your mistakes in project planning and management! As you have probably discovered already, employees cannot sit in their chairs for far more than 8-9 hours. This unfortunate deficiency of a human body puts a natural...
[07:34:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Must have for H1B's - 06$6,000 Computer Desk Lets You Lie Down While You Work - 34 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:34:33] <exec> 08└─Obligatory Follow Up [dilbert.com]
[07:34:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Hahahahah - 06More Trouble at VW - 185 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:36] <exec> 08└─" You have six weeks to achieve world-class body fits. I have all your names. If we do not have good body fits in six weeks, I will replace all of you. Thank you for your time today.' "
[07:34:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Touché) 02I worked at Apple - 06More Trouble at VW - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:34:37] <exec> 08└─This is exactly the shit that Steve would do, but you all call him a genius.
[07:34:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:0, Offtopic) 02Re:I worked at Apple - 06More Trouble at VW - 309 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:34:39] <exec> 08└─Apple homos suffered from Stockholm syndrome. They still do to this day. I see the ripple effects with people saying swift is a decent language, and objective-C was a good language to begin with. The difference between AAPL homos and everybody else is that everybody else will leave when given a bett...
[07:34:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I worked at Apple - 06More Trouble at VW - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:34:41] <exec> 08└─Sorry, forgot the linky for the uninformed: Stockholm syndrome [wikipedia.org]
[07:34:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Hahahahah - 06More Trouble at VW - 534 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:34:42] <exec> 08└─You are actually far more right than you know. This "very toxic management culture at VW" could not have kept this secret by inducing fear alone. Did no one get fired over that time, did no one quit for a better job somewhere else? (There are hints in the press that the people that discovered the di...
[07:34:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Insightful) 02Re:Hahahahah - 06More Trouble at VW - 722 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:34:44] <exec> 08└─More likely that VW had a small sequestered group specifically to do this stuff and they just checked the code into the version control system. All audit requirements were signed off by someone senior so scrutiny was avoided and that small group were paid to keep their mouths shut. > There are hints...
[07:34:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Hahahahah - 06More Trouble at VW - 789 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:34:46] <exec> 08└─> There are hints in the press that the people that discovered the discrepancy were tipped off A source, which could not be independently verified, confirmed some random 'fact' that happens to suit someone and not suit someone else, etc etc etc. This is 80% of what passes for news and they get away...
[07:34:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03M. Baranczak [1673] (Score:2) 02Re:Hahahahah - 06More Trouble at VW - 47 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:34:48] <exec> 08└─Ein Volk, ein Wagen, ein Vorstandsvorsitzender!
[07:34:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Speaking of --gate - 06More Trouble at VW - 237 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:49] <exec> 08└─That was exactly how Richard Nixon was reputed to have run his White House. "Don't give me excuses, I want results". So his two top aides, Haldeman and Ehrlichman, recruited a bunch of common criminals (the "plumbers") to do their deeds.
[07:34:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Whoever [4524] (Score:2) 02This is Germany, be serious - 06More Trouble at VW - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:51] <exec> 08└─In these situations, your choice was immediate dismissal or find a way to pass the test and pay the consequences later.
[07:34:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:3, Interesting) 02This reads like an appendix to "Icons and Idiots". - 06More Trouble at VW - 3115 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:53] <exec> 08└─Back in mid-2013, Lutz published a book called Icons and Idiots: Straight Talk on Leadership [thetruthaboutcars.com] (URL leads to a review of the book by Derek Kreindler at The Truth About Cars). It was essentially story after story of various leaders throughout his life and career, from a schoolte...
[07:34:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02The simple facts... - 06More Trouble at VW - 295 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:34:55] <exec> 08└─Every gas or diesel engine out there would fail the emissions test if it were measured under acceleration. On acceleration the CO & HC peg the meters. Doing a static test at a steady RPM has and always will be bullshit. It needs to be tested in parts per mile in real world road test conditions.
[07:34:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03M. Baranczak [1673] (Score:4, Informative) 02Re:The simple facts... - 06More Trouble at VW - 438 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:34:56] <exec> 08└─People keep saying that emission standards are impossible to meet - this is completely wrong. The team who first discovered the emissions cheating ran real-life-driving emissions tests on three diesel cars - two VWs and one BMW. The BMW stayed within the EPA limits, the VWs weren't even close to mee...
[07:34:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03shortscreen [2252] (Score:2) 02Re:The simple facts... - 06More Trouble at VW - 369 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:34:58] <exec> 08└─GP didn't say that the standards are impossible to meet, but that cars don't meet the standard during heavy acceleration which is true. They aren't required to meet the emissions targets at WOT and aren't tested for it. Since most people aren't driving with the pedal on the floor all the time it isn...
[07:34:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The simple facts... - 06More Trouble at VW - 114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:00] <exec> 08└─I've heard similar...but have not seen a real reference. Care to provide emission test results from WOT operation?
[07:35:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03shortscreen [2252] (Score:2) 02why is co2 emissions even a question? - 06More Trouble at VW - 151 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:02] <exec> 08└─There aren't any emissions controls for CO2. What's the point in fudging the numbers on it? They might as well have said their shit also doesn't stink.
[07:35:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Mr Big in the Pants [4956] (Score:2) 02Viral marketing campaign is a success - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 394 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:03] <exec> 08└─I very much doubt this is anything more than a viral marketing campaign. Sure they will sell a few of these to super wealthy idiots, but I think the most value will come from breathless articles and idiots having an opinion about this on the internet and thus gaining exposure. Not a dumb move and it...
[07:35:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:4, Informative) 02Re:Viral marketing campaign is a success - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 156 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:05] <exec> 08└─" The forces at play are using high-definition graphics. If you experience issues, use Google Chrome, choose the basic version or view the mobile version. "
[07:35:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Viral marketing campaign is a success - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 147 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:07] <exec> 08└─It's never about how they perform, it's about being seen with them. The marble amp is a talking piece, a high-end version of the coffee table book.
[07:35:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Viral marketing campaign is a success - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 340 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:09] <exec> 08└─Why are printed circuit boards considered harmful? Is it because the heat from the tubes causes them to discolour? I can see how there could be a snob factor in owning hand-wired, "artisanal" electronics. That Dolce and Gabbana headset wouldn't appeal to most men, I wouldn't think. Except while list...
[07:35:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:1) 02Re:Viral marketing campaign is a success - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 1108 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:10] <exec> 08└─The point I was trying to make is that you could have a more traditionally pure and honest system for far less money, and not knowing electronics is no longer an excuse. There are plenty of readily-available schematics online, and if you can read a coloring-book and operate a soldering iron without...
[07:35:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02''Headphones are for joggers and gym-rats'' - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 219 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:12] <exec> 08└─...and people with small children who go to bed early. ---and people with spouses who don't share the same taste in music. It appears that you and number6 (below) have never had such encumbrances in your lives. -- gewg_
[07:35:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03mhajicek [51] (Score:2) 02Re:''Headphones are for joggers and gym-rats'' - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 179 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:14] <exec> 08└─And people who listen to music at work, or pretend that they are to people bother them less. That said I picked up some bamboo-housed headphones on sale for $20 and they're great.
[07:35:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Viral marketing campaign is a success - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 548 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:16] <exec> 08└─This reminds me of auto racing. Having a racing team lends prestige to the marque. But also, the wealth gap means that there are tens of thousands of people for whom €50 k is affordable. If these are overpriced, well, so much the better because it'll be conspicuous consumption. I searched for Senn...
[07:35:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Francis [5544] (Score:1) 02Re:Viral marketing campaign is a success - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 610 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:17] <exec> 08└─For most people there's no reason to pay more than $70 for a pair of over the ear headphones or probably $200 for a pair of ear buds. I've got a pair of $70 Sennheiser headphones from years back and they're better than most of the audio sources I have. I had to re-rip my entire collection at the tim...
[07:35:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Viral marketing campaign is a success - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 168 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:19] <exec> 08└─If you're into video production, Sennheiser makes *the* mics that you use. Period. Their lavalier mics are simply the only thing that many producers will even consider.
[07:35:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Viral marketing campaign is a success - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 55 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:21] <exec> 08└─So do you have an opinion about this...on the internet?
[07:35:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Mr Big in the Pants [4956] (Score:2) 02Re:Viral marketing campaign is a success - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 158 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:22] <exec> 08└─Not directly about the device itself or its price. I am meta commenting on the advertising campaign and the discussion it was created to invoke. But nice try.
[07:35:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:3, Interesting) 02I'll wait for - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 200 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:24] <exec> 08└─plasma headphones. Like the plasma speakers that have no voice coil or cone, they work by high voltage plasma pulses that produce sound waves. https://www.youtube.com [youtube.com]
[07:35:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03dyingtolive [952] (Score:2) 02Re:I'll wait for - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:26] <exec> 08└─Still suck compared to Beets(TM) By Dr. Drey(TM) cuz thay got more base, dawg. /audiojerk
[07:35:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score:2) 02Oblig - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 1119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:27] <exec> 08└─These headphones would go geat with my Demon AKDL1 audio cable! http://www.amazon.com [amazon.com] Here's a review of my $8,000 audio cable: The minute I plugged this cable in, I knew something was amiss. The first evidence? The small wor...
[07:35:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Re:Oblig - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 437 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:29] <exec> 08└─Be sure to demagnetize your CDs first. You will overamplify the cable and it will distort the warm sounds of the highs and lows. https://www.gcaudio.com [gcaudio.com] My uncle forgot to do that and fried out 3 sets of cables before he realized what was wrong! He...
[07:35:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Funny) 02Re:Oblig - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 271 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:31] <exec> 08└─You don't need to demagnetize your CD or DVD as long as you rewind it first. You can buy CD/DVD rewinders so you don't wear down the bungspool threads in your player. Here's a video showing a mid-price rewinder... https://www.youtube.com [youtube.com]
[07:35:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Oblig - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 48 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:33] <exec> 08└─I sell those. $500 each. I already sold like 50.
[07:35:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Beryllium Sphere (r) (5062) (Score:2) 02How to rip off audiophiles - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:35] <exec> 08└─$8000 cables are just the beginning. Imagine what you could charge for copper that's isotopically pure.
[07:35:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03el_oscuro [1711] (Score:2) 02Sennheiser makes some nice headphones... - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 691 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:36] <exec> 08└─Or they used to. 30 years ago, I was looking for headphones in a stereo shop. The salesman, seeing I was military recommended a pair which cost about $100. After letting me listen to them - the sound quality was excellent, as expected, he gave me a demo of their durabiltiy: He grabbed both ear piece...
[07:35:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Sennheiser makes some nice headphones... - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 188 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:38] <exec> 08└─Was going to say, for $50,000; they better be indestructible. My brother has a problem with ripping out cord our when he gets up. He finally resolved that problem with wireless headphones.
[07:35:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Sir Finkus [192] (Score:2) 02Re:Sennheiser makes some nice headphones... - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 380 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:40] <exec> 08└─They still do, although I've heard some of their lower end models have durability problems with cheap plastics. A lot of these audio companies have an outrageously priced "flagship" model. I suspect it's mostly for marketing reasons, as speaker/headphone technology is pretty simple. You gotta make i...
[07:35:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Sennheiser makes some nice headphones... - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 111 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:42] <exec> 08└─They still do, although I've heard some of their lower end models have durability problems with cheap plastics.
[07:35:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03CaTfiSh [5221] (Score:2, Informative) 02Re:Sennheiser makes some nice headphones... - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 365 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:43] <exec> 08└─I bought my first pair in 1978. At a time when "sweaty ear syndrome" was par for the course with headphones, they used a lightweight plastic headpiece and open-air foam earpieces. It was revolutionary for the time, sounded excellent, made in West Germany, and cost the princely sum of $60. While I'm...
[07:35:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02non-Javascript link; comes with amp; microphonics - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 864 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:45] <exec> 08└─http://www.sennheiser-reshapingexcellence.com/en/v:standard [sennheiser-reshapingexcellence.com] Using that link, I could read the ad copy and view the still images. There's an amplifier that apparently comes with these headphones. They've encased its tubes in quartz envelopes, to lessen microphonic...
[07:35:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03number6 [1831] (Score:2) 02If you have that much money, buy Speakers - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 1225 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:47] <exec> 08└─50,000 EUR will buy you a glorious set of speakers/monitors which will satisfy you for a lifetime of usage. Have a look at the monitors made by ATC Loudspeakers (UK) [atcloudspeakers.co.uk] -- They are used at Abbey Road Studios and the Sydney Opera House amongst many other places...including mine :...
[07:35:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:If you have that much money, buy Speakers - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 20 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:49] <exec> 08└─Mod this clown down.
[07:35:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Non Sequor [1005] (Score:2) 02Re:If you have that much money, buy Speakers - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 55 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:50] <exec> 08└─Why would I spend that much money on magnets and boxes?
[07:35:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03archfeld [4650] (Score:3, Funny) 02I need these - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 214 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:52] <exec> 08└─I can't stand listening to my 128 KBPS music library on sub-standard headphones. After all if I am going to listen to music at less than half its' original fidelity I want top of the line head phones to do it on :)
[07:35:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Beryllium Sphere (r) (5062) (Score:2) 02MP3 fidelity - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 189 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:54] <exec> 08└─Don't forget the audiophile who published a review of which hard disk brands played the best-sounding MP3s. No point in good headphones if you have a hard drive that's not audio quality :-)
[07:35:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03That_Dude [2503] (Score:2) 02The old saying goes - - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 35 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:56] <exec> 08└─Wish in one hand ---- in the other.
[07:35:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:4, Insightful) 02It's the staff that are valuable - 06National Geographic, 1888 - 2015 - 87 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:35:57] <exec> 08└─Everyone leave and start The International Geographic. All the subscribers will follow.
[07:35:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:It's the staff that are valuable - 06National Geographic, 1888 - 2015 - 172 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:35:59] <exec> 08└─And who is going to fund the trips, the printing, the marketing? Even if the people worked for free ( which they cant ) the expense of running the operation is significant.
[07:36:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:It's the staff that are valuable - 06National Geographic, 1888 - 2015 - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:01] <exec> 08└─NatGeo 2.0: send us your vacation selfies with the resort's endangered parrot on your shoulder! Welcome to the 21st century culture, people...
[07:36:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03M. Baranczak [1673] (Score:2) 02Headquarters? - 06National Geographic, 1888 - 2015 - 304 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:03] <exec> 08└─The management of National Geographic sent out an email telling its staff—all of its staff—all to report to their headquarters, and wait by their phones. This pulled back every person who was in the field, every photographer, every reporter, even those on vacation had to show up on this fateful...
[07:36:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Francis [5544] (Score:1) 02Re:Headquarters? - 06National Geographic, 1888 - 2015 - 304 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:05] <exec> 08└─I think a large part of that is that it's instantaneous. Rather than having to hire a large number of people to make those calls and have people left hanging, hoping not to get a call, they can get the message out quickly. It is rather tacky, but it does seem somewhat less cruel than making people w...
[07:36:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score:2) 02Re:Headquarters? - 06National Geographic, 1888 - 2015 - 323 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:06] <exec> 08└─Sounds like 'Yes, Minister': "We need to make government smaller." "Well, in order to do that, we'll need to do a study to see who best to lay off." "Yes, do that." "Well, the civil service is really busy, so in order to do the study, we'll need to hire staff to do it." "We need to hire in order to...
[07:36:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snow [1601] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Good bye National Geographic - 06National Geographic, 1888 - 2015 - 771 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:08] <exec> 08└─Hello TLCv2. It's just a continuation of the retardification of American TV. For some reason, shit like Swamp Monsters, Alaska State Troopers, Border Wars, etc are what people want to watch (or at least offer the network better bang for the buck). If they plan on continuing down that path, there rea...
[07:36:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Good bye National Geographic - 06National Geographic, 1888 - 2015 - 37 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:10] <exec> 08└─venerable institution was no more....
[07:36:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02''what people want to watch'' - 06National Geographic, 1888 - 2015 - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:11] <exec> 08└─"No one [...] has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. --H.L. Mencken [wikiquote.org] -- gewg_
[07:36:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:2, Insightful) 02Not seeing the problem - 06National Geographic, 1888 - 2015 - 392 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:14] <exec> 08└─Murdoch didn't buy National Geographic at its peak. He bought it while it's on a nose dive to oblivion. There's nothing he can do to it that will be worse than what was going to happen anyway (including the layoffs). And if it is just as horrible a devaluation of these outlets as the story implies,...
[07:36:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:Not seeing the problem - 06National Geographic, 1888 - 2015 - 152 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:15] <exec> 08└─Well - Rupert Murdoch. That far-right fool is just as scary as any of the far-left fools. Any headline or story with Rupert Murdoch's name is a problem.
[07:36:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Insightful) 02Re:Not seeing the problem - 06National Geographic, 1888 - 2015 - 337 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:17] <exec> 08└─Yep. National Geographic Society was bleeding money and didn't know how to stench it, so they sold their media assets to Fox in exchange for money injection into the society itself. Which brings the question forth: what's the society for now? It lost its purpose. It should dissolve itself and stop...
[07:36:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Not seeing the problem - 06National Geographic, 1888 - 2015 - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:19] <exec> 08└─*how to stanch it Apparently "staunch" and "stanch" are (debatably) separate things. Damn UK vs. US spellings.
[07:36:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score:2) 02Re:Not seeing the problem - 06National Geographic, 1888 - 2015 - 72 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:20] <exec> 08└─I'd say they figured it out. Nobody creates a stench like Rupert Murdoch
[07:36:21] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03fliptop [1666] 02Re:Not seeing the problem - 06National Geographic, 1888 - 2015 - 50 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:22] <exec> 08└─He bought it while it's on a nose dive to oblivion
[07:36:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03PartTimeZombie [4827] (Score:2) 02Re:Not seeing the problem - 06National Geographic, 1888 - 2015 - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:24] <exec> 08└─Murdoch's investment record is patchy at best. How much did he lose on MySpace for example?
[07:36:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score:2, Insightful) 02Call the Wahbamulance - 06National Geographic, 1888 - 2015 - 524 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:26] <exec> 08└─Oh no! A magazine is dead, who ever would have seen that coming. Oh, wait it is just gewg posting a link to a kostard being a dramaqueen. Buyout of a failing business followed by the usual layoffs, no story here we can all get on with our normal lives. Yea the print publication probably won't surviv...
[07:36:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score:2) 02Re:Call the Wahbamulance - 06National Geographic, 1888 - 2015 - 596 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:27] <exec> 08└─I will shed a tear. I suppose for geeks of a certain age, National Geographic doesn't mean anything, but for me, it was my introduction to science -- before and during grade school I would dig through a huge stack of Nat. Goes my parents found at a garage sale. This was the early 70s in a rural area...
[07:36:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Call the Wahbamulance - 06National Geographic, 1888 - 2015 - 484 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:29] <exec> 08└─I grew up in the 80's. I read every NatGeo from cover to cover more faithfully than most Baptists read the Bible. It represented more than just travel photos: it was an ideology of exploration and expanding one's mind. More years than I want to admit later, with less and less hair, more and more deg...
[07:36:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0, Insightful) 02Re:Call the Wahbamulance - 06National Geographic, 1888 - 2015 - 232 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:31] <exec> 08└─And the usual libertariantards coming to defend their high priest, too bad ayn rand is dead, she would be proud to see that her philosophy of greed is still alive and well.Too bad she didn't visit Siberia for a more permanent sejour
[07:36:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02The magazine had already died anyway... - 06National Geographic, 1888 - 2015 - 1083 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:32] <exec> 08└─...with the "Cool it" issue. The article's statistics were good, but the presentation was muddied by bad art direction, and the graphics and titles were horrible. There was a column near the beginning that displayed the 4 candidates for the front cover design; needless to say, they chose the wrong o...
[07:36:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:The magazine had already died anyway... - 06National Geographic, 1888 - 2015 - 928 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:34] <exec> 08└─Man, I remember loving Time and Newsweek as a kid. They were ways about reading what was going on in the world at a more deep level than the sound-bites on the news, there were very few or no ads. Then I stopped reading for awhile, picked up my old friend off the newsstand. Half the magazine was ads...
[07:36:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The magazine had already died anyway... - 06National Geographic, 1888 - 2015 - 20 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:36] <exec> 08└─...Anti-Midas Touch.
[07:36:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Troll) 02I stopped reading - 06National Geographic, 1888 - 2015 - 140 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:38] <exec> 08└─I stopped reading the Wall Street Journal when Murdoch bought it. I haven't read NG for years, but if I did, I would stop reading that also.
[07:36:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Kilo110 [2853] (Score:2) 02Re:I stopped reading - 06National Geographic, 1888 - 2015 - 356 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:40] <exec> 08└─I canceled my sub after he bought it but I went back after a few years living off the FT and NYT. I've haven't noticed anything too outrageous as long as you avoid the opinion section and the comments section. Although, I do find it odd there was no mention of these layoffs on the WSJ. But then agai...
[07:36:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Back in the day - 06National Geographic, 1888 - 2015 - 185 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:42] <exec> 08└─National Geographic was known as the magazine that your parents subscribed to, that might have photos of barechested adult women. I'm afraid that use case isn't very important nowadays.
[07:36:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03middlemen [504] (Score:2) 02Re:Back in the day - 06National Geographic, 1888 - 2015 - 160 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:43] <exec> 08└─Don't be so upset. Even Playboy is not showing boobs nowadays. http://www.nytimes.com [nytimes.com]
[07:36:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03mendax [2840] (Score:2) 02Re:Back in the day - 06National Geographic, 1888 - 2015 - 104 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:45] <exec> 08└─Oh, there might be boobs, but she'll have pasties on the nipples and be wearing a G-string. Well, maybe.
[07:36:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nerdfest [80] (Score:4, Insightful) 02No Balance - 06Trans-Pacific Partnership Text Released - 241 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:47] <exec> 08└─From what I can see, there's little or no benefit for any citizens, and plenty of benefits for large corporations. That seems to be the current definition of "balance" though, when it comes to rights, freedoms, the environment, privacy, etc.
[07:36:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Mr Big in the Pants [4956] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:No Balance - 06Trans-Pacific Partnership Text Released - 320 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:49] <exec> 08└─e.g. "The TPP means that America will write the rules of the road in the 21st century," Should read: "The TPP means that Large American corporations will write the rules of the road in the 21st century," FTFY Obama, you disingenuous sell out. PS: In no way am I implying any of the other US candidate...
[07:36:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:No Balance - 06Trans-Pacific Partnership Text Released - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:50] <exec> 08└─The TPP means that Large corporations with allegiance to no one but only want more money will write the rules of the road in the 21st century.
[07:36:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:No Balance - 06Trans-Pacific Partnership Text Released - 185 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:52] <exec> 08└─Yep, so many of these companies are doing the Double Irish and Dutch Sandwich to avoid tax. http://www.investopedia.com [investopedia.com]
[07:36:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:2) 02Re:No Balance - 06Trans-Pacific Partnership Text Released - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:54] <exec> 08└─PS: In no way am I implying any of the other US candidates are any different.
[07:36:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Mr Big in the Pants [4956] (Score:2) 02Re:No Balance - 06Trans-Pacific Partnership Text Released - 183 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:55] <exec> 08└─1) My comment neither confirmed nor rejected the hypothesis and was there to undo any concrete statement. 2) Sanders has not had a chance to sell out the way Obama has as you mention.
[07:36:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Not to nitpick... - 06Trans-Pacific Partnership Text Released - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:36:57] <exec> 08└─but fix the title: "partership", doesn't look very professional
[07:36:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Fishscene [4361] (Score:3, Funny) 02Re:Not to nitpick... - 06Trans-Pacific Partnership Text Released - 266 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:36:59] <exec> 08└─No no, keep it. A professional communicates things appropriately and properly, makes sure things are on-time, gets the job done, and makes the customer feel good about it all. The TPP is absolutely the opposite of ALL of these. I feel the title subtly captures this.
[07:37:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03KilroySmith [2113] (Score:3, Touché) 02Waiting... - 06Trans-Pacific Partnership Text Released - 64 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:37:01] <exec> 08└─I'm waiting for someone with an agenda to tell me what to think.
[07:37:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Waiting... - 06Trans-Pacific Partnership Text Released - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:03] <exec> 08└─As the President of the Pirate Party of Canada, I can tell you it is bad. I should be working on a press-release instead of posting here though.
[07:37:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Waiting... - 06Trans-Pacific Partnership Text Released - 74 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:04] <exec> 08└─Hey, I voted for you Mr President. It's an honor to see you posting on SN.
[07:37:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Limited time - 06Trans-Pacific Partnership Text Released - 79 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:37:06] <exec> 08└─You have 60-90 days to view the document before they yank it and put on a vote.
[07:37:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02So when can i expect. - 06Trans-Pacific Partnership Text Released - 285 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:37:08] <exec> 08└─Wal-Mart and Amazon to sue the united states using this trade agreement to get themselves exempt from labor laws. As per part of it that if a law harms the company's shareholders and investors they can take the country to a court set up by this to get themselves exempted from the law.
[07:37:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Alfred [4006] (Score:4, Insightful) 02It won't be good for you - 06Trans-Pacific Partnership Text Released - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:37:10] <exec> 08└─...five years of secret negotiations...
[07:37:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score:4, Funny) 02Re:It won't be good for you - 06Trans-Pacific Partnership Text Released - 108 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:11] <exec> 08└─The negotiations were transparent. Indeed, they were so transparent that you couldn't actually see them! :-)
[07:37:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03RamiK [1813] (Score:2) 02The Party-specific Annex provide a great metric... - 06Trans-Pacific Partnership Text Released - 71 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:37:13] <exec> 08└─for who got the most screwed through how much exemptions they received.
[07:37:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Wow... okay... - 06Trans-Pacific Partnership Text Released - 1266 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:37:15] <exec> 08└─from what i have seen, this is in response to China's rise as a super power: 'they' (the 1% and the Corporations (ie: execs who want to be a part of the 1%, or who are ruled by the 1%)) don't like that China could SCREW them all: lots of people, little in the way of environmental standards or caring...
[07:37:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:Wow... okay... - 06Trans-Pacific Partnership Text Released - 202 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:17] <exec> 08└─And you'll continue to say "NO" while they fuck you in more ways than you'd ever imagined possible. The only way for anything to change is for roughly 7 billion people to say no. Don't hold your breath.
[07:37:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:1) 02Re:Wow... okay... - 06Trans-Pacific Partnership Text Released - 290 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:19] <exec> 08└─Heh. Exactly right. They'll bitch about it on Facebook and Twitter, but they won't do a goddamn thing else about it. Zuckerburg will laugh all the way to the bank as almost the entire fucking population of the world trades their rights, standards of living, and dignity for a little vanity.
[07:37:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Wow... okay... - 06Trans-Pacific Partnership Text Released - 792 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:20] <exec> 08└─This is actually in 'response' to USA's declining power as the corporations have leeched it dry and are moving abroad to suck the life out of the rest of the world. Lazay Faire capitalism at it's apex. China is smarter than that; the TPP is already screwing us all and they are already powerful enoug...
[07:37:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:Wow... okay... - 06Trans-Pacific Partnership Text Released - 724 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:22] <exec> 08└─Silicon Valley is over. At this point it still innovative in some parts of software. But most of the really crazy things that SV used to do has long ago moved to china. You can look no further than Alibaba and see that. They give two figs about intellectual property. They are busy hardware bending a...
[07:37:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anal Pumpernickel [776] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Balance - 06Trans-Pacific Partnership Text Released - 897 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:37:24] <exec> 08└─This is not a trade treaty, but a corporate supremacy treaty that will give corporations even more power over us. Whether there is "balance" or not is irrelevant. The most important question is this: Will it result in the further violation of our fundamental liberties and constitution? The answer is...
[07:37:25] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Aichon [5059] 02Re:This is how it's always been - 06Think Fortran and Assembly Programming is Boring and Useless? Tell it to NASA - 3097 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:26] <exec> 08└─My first professional software development work was an internship in 2002 with a NASA contractor (Lockheed Martin) doing FORTRAN development for some meteorological software that had been in continuous use since the early '80s. I got to work with data streaming in from NORAD stations, was pulling do...
[07:37:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03moondoctor [2963] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:Wow what a skill - 06Think Fortran and Assembly Programming is Boring and Useless? Tell it to NASA - 363 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:27] <exec> 08└─While I agree that they're exaggerating the jobs available to those that know or learn assembly, dismissing it is a mistake. Programming in assembly in less than a meg is very good at teaching you about how to approach things logically and efficiently. Honestly, in my book if you can't write at leas...
[07:37:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Wow what a skill - 06Think Fortran and Assembly Programming is Boring and Useless? Tell it to NASA - 777 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:29] <exec> 08└─As someone who first programmed in BASIC and very soon after in hand-translated machine language (couldn't afford or get access to an assembler until much later), I must say that knowing assembly language gets to be less and less useful as the years go by, even for educational purposes, to 99% of pr...
[07:37:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03moondoctor [2963] (Score:2) 02Re:Wow what a skill - 06Think Fortran and Assembly Programming is Boring and Useless? Tell it to NASA - 282 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:31] <exec> 08└─Yeah, overall you're right. You can get by fine without knowing what a processor is actually doing. I would still argue that having to give a processor it's native command directly will change a person's understanding of how computers really work, and make them a better programmer.
[07:37:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Wow what a skill - 06Think Fortran and Assembly Programming is Boring and Useless? Tell it to NASA - 147 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:32] <exec> 08└─I must say that knowing assembly language gets to be less and less useful as the years go by, even for educational purposes, to 99% of programmers.
[07:37:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nerdfest [80] (Score:2) 02Re:Wow what a skill - 06Think Fortran and Assembly Programming is Boring and Useless? Tell it to NASA - 205 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:34] <exec> 08└─True, but there the same does not really apply for Fortran. There are better languages, and Fortran does not really lend itself to writing easily maintained code. It's still miles better than COBOL though.
[07:37:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03stormwyrm [717] (Score:2) 02Re:Wow what a skill - 06Think Fortran and Assembly Programming is Boring and Useless? Tell it to NASA - 450 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:36] <exec> 08└─Some choice quotes from Donald Knuth about this very thing: "By understanding a machine-oriented language, the programmer will tend to use a much more efficient method; it is much closer to reality." -- TAOCP 1st Ed, Volume 1, Preface. "People who are more than casually interested in computers shoul...
[07:37:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Wow what a skill - 06Think Fortran and Assembly Programming is Boring and Useless? Tell it to NASA - 632 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:38] <exec> 08└─You think their readership reaches 20K people who might be influenced? Not bloody likely. Learning the older / esoteric languages seems like a skill to develop on-the-job at a company you already have some security with. Stepping out and learning Hitachi COBOL 2002 on spec and then looking for a job...
[07:37:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Common Joe [33] (Score:2) 02Re:Wow what a skill - 06Think Fortran and Assembly Programming is Boring and Useless? Tell it to NASA - 613 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:39] <exec> 08└─I was going to say something like what you said. The problem is that there is no loyalty anywhere, so when you sign up for a dead-end language like FORTRAN, there are only very limited places to use it and they may downsize you at any time. The businesses of today have beaten it into our heads: stay...
[07:37:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Wow what a skill - 06Think Fortran and Assembly Programming is Boring and Useless? Tell it to NASA - 239 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:41] <exec> 08└─Not everything is about jobs; education is important in and of itself. Learning assembly can help you understand what is happening in the background. It would help if a lot of these Java-type losers understood what the hell they are doing.
[07:37:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03mendax [2840] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Assembly language? Boring? - 06Think Fortran and Assembly Programming is Boring and Useless? Tell it to NASA - 1241 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:37:44] <exec> 08└─I have always enjoyed writing assembly language programs. The fact that I haven't done so in over 25 years doesn't mean anything. I found the 80x86 instruction set to be completely boring and stuck with high-level languages. Of course, the C compilers available today are so good at optimizing that o...
[07:37:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03moondoctor [2963] (Score:2) 02Re:Assembly language? Boring? - 06Think Fortran and Assembly Programming is Boring and Useless? Tell it to NASA - 295 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:47] <exec> 08└─"Slow, bloated programs were not popular in those days." I'd go so far as to say that they weren't tolerated. They sure are now! That ever increasing overhead has bred laziness. Machines execute staggering amounts of code these days, but don't get that much faster (or stable!) in real life use.
[07:37:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03SanityCheck [5190] (Score:2) 02Re:Assembly language? Boring? - 06Think Fortran and Assembly Programming is Boring and Useless? Tell it to NASA - 290 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:50] <exec> 08└─Bloated programs are preferred by cloud providers as they pad their pockets. Regardless I try to optimize even the most innocuous things, but then I have to spin up more than required resources anyway to leave some breathing room less I be awaken in middle of the night by the China branch.
[07:37:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03stormwyrm [717] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Assembly language? Boring? - 06Think Fortran and Assembly Programming is Boring and Useless? Tell it to NASA - 938 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:54] <exec> 08└─I'd hardly call the 80x86 instruction set boring. It is so irregular and unorthogonal that writing highly optimised code for it is an interesting challenge. Michael Abrash wrote a book back in the day called the Zen of Assembly Language about the art of doing so. But these days the performance gains...
[07:37:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Assembly language? Boring? - 06Think Fortran and Assembly Programming is Boring and Useless? Tell it to NASA - 461 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:57] <exec> 08└─X86 is the hardest instruction set I had to learn because it was so damn filled with restrictions, special cases, and few registers. I never felt that it should be programmed by hand--only used as the target code of a compiled language. It was also about the worst ISA to teach someone assembly langu...
[07:37:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03stormwyrm [717] (Score:2) 02Re:Assembly language? Boring? - 06Think Fortran and Assembly Programming is Boring and Useless? Tell it to NASA - 132 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:37:59] <exec> 08└─X86 is the hardest instruction set I had to learn because it was so damn filled with restrictions, special cases, and few registers.
[07:38:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score:2) 02Re:Assembly language? Boring? - 06Think Fortran and Assembly Programming is Boring and Useless? Tell it to NASA - 689 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:01] <exec> 08└─Back in the day, optimizing compilers weren't so optimal and the machines were slow (by today's standards) such that going to assembly crossed significant thresholds. It allowed us to do things that just weren't possible in C (and especially in BASIC). These days not so much. The C compiler will pro...
[07:38:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03meisterister [949] (Score:3, Insightful) 02No - 06Think Fortran and Assembly Programming is Boring and Useless? Tell it to NASA - 22 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:38:02] <exec> 08└─and I will, thank you.
[07:38:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02FORTRAN is great, BASIC is great - 06Think Fortran and Assembly Programming is Boring and Useless? Tell it to NASA - 159 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:38:04] <exec> 08└─Good languages, but the minimum feature set demanded by the platforms used by the target audiences keeps expanding and they stopped trying to keep up long ago.
[07:38:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02So if you're a gambling man - 06Think Fortran and Assembly Programming is Boring and Useless? Tell it to NASA - 14 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:38:06] <exec> 08└─learn FORTRAN.
[07:38:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Motor not Rail-Launch failure - 06Rail-Launched Super Strypi Rocket Packed with Cubesats Fails in Debut - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:08] <exec> 08└─Exactly, it allows them to cheap shot the initial engine balancing act. This is not the rail launch you're looking for.
[07:38:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Motor not Rail-Launch failure - 06Rail-Launched Super Strypi Rocket Packed with Cubesats Fails in Debut - 13 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:09] <exec> 08└─Thanks Obama!
[07:38:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Tork [3914] (Score:2) 02Re:There's your problem - 06Rail-Launched Super Strypi Rocket Packed with Cubesats Fails in Debut - 67 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:11] <exec> 08└─Hawaii is tilted nearly 30 degrees, they were going straight up! /s
[07:38:12] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Alfred [4006] 02Re:What's the need? - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft Surface Book: What is the Feeling of the SN Community - 44 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:13] <exec> 08└─In a nutshell, you didn't need an upgrade...
[07:38:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gaaark [41] (Score:1, Offtopic) 02Re:Surface book - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft Surface Book: What is the Feeling of the SN Community - 115 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:14] <exec> 08└─"Sudo, don't be a prick/bitch without a sense of humour, who can't take a joke?..... AND make me a sandwich????" :)
[07:38:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03petecox [3228] (Score:1) 02Re:Surface book - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft Surface Book: What is the Feeling of the SN Community - 912 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:16] <exec> 08└─Not a fan of laptops in general? I too prefer external screens, keyboards and mice but I did recently purchase a cheap 2nd hand beast for travelling to university. I'm thinking MS continuum could be a killer, albeit niche, feature for WP10. When I had to supply my computer for work and hotdesk, most...
[07:38:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Mr Big in the Pants [4956] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Too much money for not enough. - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft Surface Book: What is the Feeling of the SN Community - 275 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:18] <exec> 08└─This is not insightful. That is NZD$ and I assume NZ prices (which includes the "shitty little country" "tax"). Not to mention the recent extreme drop in exchange rate. You would be sorely disappointed at what you will get for 3.5K in NZ...ONE serious gaming rig for example.
[07:38:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Too much money for not enough. - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft Surface Book: What is the Feeling of the SN Community - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:20] <exec> 08└─3K is a lot for a computer, no matter how shiny. For 3k, you could buy...
[07:38:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snow [1601] (Score:2) 02Re:Too much money for not enough. - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft Surface Book: What is the Feeling of the SN Community - 36 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:21] <exec> 08└─Sure. Actually... no. I'm done here.
[07:38:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03hendrikboom [1125] (Score:2) 02Re:Depends on your use case scenario - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft Surface Book: What is the Feeling of the SN Community - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:23] <exec> 08└─I wish the Cintiqs would run GNU/Linux instead of just Android and WIndows. Cintiq warns there will be driver problems.
[07:38:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score:2) 02Re:It should run Linux. - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft Surface Book: What is the Feeling of the SN Community - 69 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:25] <exec> 08└─...maybe linux will run on the surface after microsoft buys redhat...
[07:38:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Design Flaw - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft Surface Book: What is the Feeling of the SN Community - 433 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:27] <exec> 08└─Because I'm sure there are lots of pedants here, what is the official conventions for the word "literal" and a figure of speech? I'm referring to the phrase "that hinge is a literal Achilles Heel." Is it: 1) Bad. Literal means it is the actual thing (as opposed to figurative) and the hinge not a hee...
[07:38:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03daaelar [5403] (Score:1) 02Re:Design Flaw - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft Surface Book: What is the Feeling of the SN Community - 496 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:28] <exec> 08└─I was aiming for the latter use. Achilles was a war hero, and his heel was a weak point that was broken to bring his downfall. The Surface Book seems to be Microsoft's standards-bearer into the laptop space proper, and the hinge is going to be literally broken, likely ushering in a large number of r...
[07:38:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score:2) 02Re:Simple - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft Surface Book: What is the Feeling of the SN Community - 133 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:30] <exec> 08└─If I'm going to spend that much money I'm getting a Mac. Known quantity, great trackpad, much rather be stuck with OS X than Windows.
[07:38:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Absolutely.Geek [5328] (Score:2) 02Re:fake story? - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft Surface Book: What is the Feeling of the SN Community - 253 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:32] <exec> 08└─Yep totally a Microsoft PR guy. My two concernts.....its really expensive and you cant install linux on it; the people up here at Microsoft marketing are really getting to grips with this "convicing argument" business. The hardware is pretty cool though
[07:38:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02nope - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft Surface Book: What is the Feeling of the SN Community - 178 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:38:33] <exec> 08└─You can get premium laptops from Asus, Dell, Toshiba, Lenovo, Acer etc. for $1000 or less on sale. Look for two-in-ones. Build quality will be lower but Surface is not worth 2.5k
[07:38:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02iFixit Says... - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft Surface Book: What is the Feeling of the SN Community - 909 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:38:35] <exec> 08└─... don't bother. HT: CNET ( http://www.cnet.com [cnet.com] ) https://www.ifixit.com [ifixit.com] "The Microsoft Surface Book (as a whole) earns a reparability score of 1 out of 10 (10 is easiest to...
[07:38:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Lenovo Thinpad Helix 2 - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft Surface Book: What is the Feeling of the SN Community - 208 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:38:37] <exec> 08└─I have a Lenovo Thinpad Helix 2. It - and all it's accessories - works with Linux as of the 4.2 kernel. I'm running Fedora 23 on it and it's really good. I have the Pro keyboard and the dock which work great.
[07:38:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Alias [2825] (Score:1) 02Remember Secure EFI boot - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft Surface Book: What is the Feeling of the SN Community - 563 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:38:39] <exec> 08└─Secure UEFI boot might be non-disableable on the surface books. My guess is that the whole reason MS decided to make hardware was because they knew none of the normal hardware makers were going to willingly castrate their hardware by making secure UEFI always-on. It is the latest incarnation of the...
[07:38:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Fnord666 [652] (Score:2) 02Repairability? - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft Surface Book: What is the Feeling of the SN Community - 301 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:38:40] <exec> 08└─This article [cnet.com] seems to indicate that the Surface Book is going to be a pain in the arse to service. If you like to do repairs or upgrades yourself this probably not what you are looking for. The need to remove boards to access components was something specifically referenced in the article...
[07:38:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:My Gawd, It's Full of Babble - 06openSUSE Leap 42.1 Becomes First Hybrid Distribution - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:45] <exec> 08└─But we are all indebted to that marketing droid: apparently opensuse is yet another product we can safely ignore.
[07:38:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Hybrid? - 06openSUSE Leap 42.1 Becomes First Hybrid Distribution - 68 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:50] <exec> 08└─Yup! But this one is new... And hybrid, must be green like the cars?
[07:38:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Hybrid? - 06openSUSE Leap 42.1 Becomes First Hybrid Distribution - 108 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:52] <exec> 08└─Not gas/electric, more like a mule. Makes me wonder which it has more of: hybrid vigor, or hybrid sterility?
[07:38:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:Hybrid? - 06openSUSE Leap 42.1 Becomes First Hybrid Distribution - 286 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:53] <exec> 08└─Uhhhhh - no. Ubuntu is not Debian. Ubuntu is based on Debian, but it's not Debian. Linux Mint people understand that. They offer Mint, based on Ubuntu, and LMDE, based on Debian. I was an early adopter of Ubuntu, but I dropped it because it departs so far from what Debian is all about.
[07:38:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Hybrid? - 06openSUSE Leap 42.1 Becomes First Hybrid Distribution - 1739 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:55] <exec> 08└─Opensuse was historically viewed by Suse as a testbed platform for Suse Linux Enterprise: Server and Desktop (SLES / SLED) As such it was fairly bleeding edge, and things would get foisted on Opensuse well before they were ready. The worst such disaster was KDE 4.0, a full 2.5 years before it was re...
[07:38:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Soooooo...it's basically CentOS? - 06openSUSE Leap 42.1 Becomes First Hybrid Distribution - 866 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:38:59] <exec> 08└─Marketing guy doesn't even believe that crap. Look: this is a cost cutting move by Microfocus (yes, the COBOL compiler company). They have essentially folded Opensuse 13.2 back into the paid Suse Linux Enterprise versions, to reduce staff and build time. SLED/SLES are paid products. Leap will be Fre...
[07:39:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Soooooo...it's basically CentOS? - 06openSUSE Leap 42.1 Becomes First Hybrid Distribution - 336 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:39:01] <exec> 08└─It means that a Linux distribution has finally followed the FreeBSD method of 1) defining some packages as a "base" system, 2) having a more current userland, and 3) allowing one to update the userland and base independently of each other. That's the one thing I miss about FreeBSD. For years, I rock...
[07:39:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Wow! That's what I'm expecting to read on SN! - 06openSUSE Leap 42.1 Becomes First Hybrid Distribution - 154 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:39:04] <exec> 08└─Yay, baby! More marketing bullshit, that is exactly what SN is missing! After all, slashdot has alot of that, and we WANT to be Next slashdot, aren't we?!
[07:39:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Alias [2825] (Score:1) 02Redhat supposedly hired an ex-MS PR guy - 06openSUSE Leap 42.1 Becomes First Hybrid Distribution - 3499 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:39:06] <exec> 08└─Redhat supposedly hired an ex-MS PR guy a few months ago. I wonder if they loaned him to the Suse people, I mean Novell, I mean back to MS because they're all in bed with MS now anyway. I think I'm going to be ill. WTF happened to the open source community? So far in 2015: Ubuntu and Redhat bend ov...
[07:39:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:1) 02Re:No worse than call centers - 06Meet your New Boss: The Algorithm - 1138 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:39:39] <exec> 08└─Metrics are only as intelligent as who or what generated them, and for the time being humans are pretty damn good at gaming metrics. A simple example would be what I've encountered plenty of times in the electronic repair industry - techs cherry-picking the easy fixes and/or the gadgets with the hig...
[07:39:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score:2) 02Re:No it isn't - 06Meet your New Boss: The Algorithm - 242 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:39:44] <exec> 08└─It's not that it altered itself, it's more that once the people were accustomed to obeying it without question, their obedience was used to warehouse them as cheaply as possible once they weren't economically necessary to the wealthy anymore.
[07:39:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score:2) 02Re:No it isn't - 06Meet your New Boss: The Algorithm - 307 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:39:49] <exec> 08└─Unfortunately, it will have no subroutine to compute a mercy score either. It will ruthlessly carry out the policy set by people who never actually relate to the employees as human beings. It's easier to shit on someone you've never met, and especially one you will never possibly run in to outside o...
[07:39:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:1) 02Re:No it isn't - 06Meet your New Boss: The Algorithm - 49 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:39:51] <exec> 08└─Then write my details down you lazy pile of shit.
[07:39:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:2) 02Re:No it isn't - 06Meet your New Boss: The Algorithm - 72 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:39:53] <exec> 08└─Where I work, we are not allowed to write down credit card numbers ever.
[07:39:54] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Murdoc [2518] 02Manna, Manna, Manna - 06Meet your New Boss: The Algorithm - 677 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:39:55] <exec> 08└─Every time a story comes up about automation, someone compares it to some ridiculous short story when there's a real economic system based on automation that's just sitting there waiting to be used. Technocracy [technocracy.ca] was designed to release people from the drudgery of labor so that they c...
[07:39:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Murdoc [2518] (Score:2) 02Re:Manna, Manna, Manna - 06Meet your New Boss: The Algorithm - 739 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:39:57] <exec> 08└─As mentioned, Technocracy uses automation for these jobs. It is a system where machines do all the work people don't want to do, so that just leaves the work that people do want to do, so you don't have to force them to do it. And while there may still be a few jobs left that aren't the most desirab...
[07:39:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03mhajicek [51] (Score:2) 02Re:Manna, Manna, Manna - 06Meet your New Boss: The Algorithm - 245 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:39:59] <exec> 08└─I think getting people to do what work is needed isn't the hard part, because automation. The hard part is getting those in power to not hoard the results but instead give food and shelter freely to people who don't have any work of value to do.
[07:40:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score:2) 02Re:Manna, Manna, Manna - 06Meet your New Boss: The Algorithm - 266 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:40:01] <exec> 08└─Ideally, yes. But that will depend on voting out everyone who has currently proven willing to spend millions making sure the poor don't accidentally get a hundred that they don't "deserve" (read absolutely need to not drop over dead in an embarrassingly public way).
[07:40:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Murdoc [2518] (Score:2) 02Re:Manna, Manna, Manna - 06Meet your New Boss: The Algorithm - 219 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:40:02] <exec> 08└─True, no one said it'd be easy, and it will be an uphill battle. But given all we'd have to gain if we succeed, and all we have to lose if we don't even try, why not do everything in our power to try and make it happen?
[07:40:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score:2) 02Re:Manna, Manna, Manna - 06Meet your New Boss: The Algorithm - 180 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:40:04] <exec> 08└─Wherever possible, it is best to have a parachute constructed BEFORE you jump out of the plane. I agree, it is the best way forward but it is important to do it in the right order.
[07:40:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:1) 02Re:Manna, Manna, Manna - 06Meet your New Boss: The Algorithm - 297 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:40:06] <exec> 08└─We don't have to wait for AI humanoid robots and replicators in order to enjoy a post-scarcity society, we could have had this decades ago! All we need is for enough people to know about it and agree to it and we can put aside all this rubbish we put up with every day caused by enforced scarcity.
[07:40:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anne Nonymous [712] (Score:2) 02The Actual Algorithm: - 06Meet your New Boss: The Algorithm - 18 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:40:08] <exec> 08└─newboss == oldboss
[07:40:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:1) 02Manna story doesn't ring true - 06Meet your New Boss: The Algorithm - 1510 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:40:10] <exec> 08└─For me, the thing that I didn't like the most about the Manna story, was simply the assumption that there's a huge amount of gain to be had from some AI micromanaging your workflow. First, I don't think there is that much productivity to be squeezed out of a person once they build up enough work exp...
[07:40:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score:2) 02Re:The Question - 06Firefox 42 Released - 165 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:40:24] <exec> 08└─Yeah, but Marvin didn't figure it out by himself: It’s printed in the Earthman’s brainwave patterns, but I don’t suppose you’d be interested in knowing that.
[07:40:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Francis [5544] (Score:1) 02Re:What about the antifeatures? - 06Firefox 42 Released - 207 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:40:29] <exec> 08└─I'm looking forward to that. But, it is nice to see that I can disable it if I think it's annoying. I just find that all too often there's a video or some bullshit that starts playing and I don't know where.
[07:40:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score:2) 02Re:What about the antifeatures? - 06Firefox 42 Released - 122 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:40:32] <exec> 08└─It breaks Tree Style Tabs (or maybe it breaks something else, and the broken tree style tabs behaviour is only a symptom).
[07:40:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03termigator [4271] (Score:1) 02Request Policy - 06Firefox 42 Released - 415 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:40:34] <exec> 08└─Why trust an external party when you can use something like Request Policy to block most of the tracking crap. Yes, it can take some time for some sites to get things configured to load properly, but you have full control of what is getting loaded. For me, Request Policy and NoScript are essential a...
[07:40:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Alias [2825] (Score:1) 02Re:told ya - 06Microsoft Partners with Red Hat for Linux and .NET in the Cloud - 819 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:40:44] <exec> 08└─Poettering isn't the only MS-friendly guy in the Linux world. Remember Miguel De Icaza? Novell got Mono for the app-layer infection, Redhat gets systemd for the system layer infection, and adherence to this will eventually be enforced by the secure UEFI boot requirements. (At least that is MS's plan...
[07:40:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Alias [2825] (Score:1) 02Re:Is Anyone Surprised? - 06Microsoft Partners with Red Hat for Linux and .NET in the Cloud - 611 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:40:48] <exec> 08└─"The excuse of a company existing solely for profit and nothing else is an insult to the people doing the work, and is a popular meme being shoved down everyone's throats." I might add that the, "MS is in business to make money," mantra has been repeated often by MS employees and those that have bee...
[07:40:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Alias [2825] (Score:1) 02Re:kinda good maybe - 06Microsoft Partners with Red Hat for Linux and .NET in the Cloud - 233 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:40:50] <exec> 08└─"As for .NET, I've used C# and .NET some recently, and if it's truly opened up by MS, it's not a bad platform." It isn't truly opened up. There are traps of the traditional Microsoftian variety and also serious patent-related traps.
[07:40:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score:2) 02Re:Remember the OS/2 partnership? - 06Microsoft Partners with Red Hat for Linux and .NET in the Cloud - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:40:54] <exec> 08└─>MS has open sourced a lot of their webstack. They also made ooxml a standard, except that the spec is a joke.
[07:40:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03jasassin [3566] (Score:2) 02Re:Short Memories... - 06Microsoft Partners with Red Hat for Linux and .NET in the Cloud - 710 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:40:58] <exec> 08└─Yes. Embrace has already happened with the millions of dollars Microsoft donated to Red Hat. Extend is systemd. We are still in the extend phase. More of userspace and more kernel patches, systemd needs deeper roots before the final phase. Extinguish. Cash in and bail out. The bigwigs sell all their...
[07:40:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Alias [2825] (Score:1) 02Re:Short Memories... - 06Microsoft Partners with Red Hat for Linux and .NET in the Cloud - 1597 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:41:00] <exec> 08└─I'm afraid they aren't going to cash out and run the company in to the ground. If they did that, it would be merciful. The Linux community doesn't need Redhat or Canonical or Suse (Novell/MS/whoever they are this week.) No, Redhat is the launching point of a much greater grab. MS knows Linux is ever...
[07:41:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:My How Times Have Changed - 06Microsoft Partners with Red Hat for Linux and .NET in the Cloud - 108 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:41:04] <exec> 08└─Eh, depends on what you call a "generation." I was thinking "20 years" or so. If only I could amend my post!
[07:41:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03tibman [134] (Score:2) 02Re:My How Times Have Changed - 06Microsoft Partners with Red Hat for Linux and .NET in the Cloud - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:41:06] <exec> 08└─sorry, i was looking at 25 but i know what you meant : ) RedHat jumping into a relationship with Microsoft ten or more years ago would have been huge.
[07:41:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Alias [2825] (Score:1) 02Re:My How Times Have Changed - 06Microsoft Partners with Red Hat for Linux and .NET in the Cloud - 548 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:41:08] <exec> 08└─I think an even bigger sign of the times is that they actually had the balls to announce this partnership that, (to anyone who has been paying attention,) has been going on for a least a couple years already. Mono, for example, was a MS-instigated project. Very few people in the open source world ev...
[07:41:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03tibman [134] (Score:2) 02Re:My How Times Have Changed - 06Microsoft Partners with Red Hat for Linux and .NET in the Cloud - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:41:09] <exec> 08└─Yeah, mono never made sense to me. There was no immediate benefit to making it. Almost as if someone wanted a weapon to use against java more than anything else.
[07:41:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Alias [2825] (Score:1) 02Re:My How Times Have Changed - 06Microsoft Partners with Red Hat for Linux and .NET in the Cloud - 158 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:41:11] <exec> 08└─Specifically, a weapon to use against Java on Linux, which was growing as the platform of choice for Java/XML business stuff. .NET already existed on Windows.
[07:41:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Alias [2825] (Score:1) 02Re:My How Times Have Changed - 06Microsoft Partners with Red Hat for Linux and .NET in the Cloud - 955 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:41:13] <exec> 08└─I keep wondering if it is really the case that nobody cares anymore. When I talk to other Linux people in person, they care a great deal. They are shocked at what happened with systemd, I wonder if Google has them all watching Youtube or if their ISPs are filtering content or something such that the...
[07:41:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Not to threadjack, but this isn't my situation - 06Feeling Like a Fraud on the Job - 122 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:41:29] <exec> 08└─I would stay at the job if the environment and pay was decent. Its hard to beat getting paid to work on personal projects.
[07:41:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:OMG - 06Feeling Like a Fraud on the Job - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:41:46] <exec> 08└─You must fake it well, because I know people that fake it poorly!
[07:42:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:OHMYGOD - 06Could Russian Subs Stop the Internet? - 292 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:42:09] <exec> 08└─[quote]From your linked source, the $1,000,000 washer was, in fact, a crime. One which was caught and punished by a fine (essentially for the money back) and an additional 20 years in prison.[/quote] Yeah, it's fixed now. Expect to see the US military plummet and its effectiveness skyrocket!
[07:42:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Easy to recover from - 06Could Russian Subs Stop the Internet? - 74 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:42:17] <exec> 08└─If the net slows down from a cable break, just enable all the ad blockers.
[07:42:28] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03cmdr_tofu [5669] 02wyministic agenda! - 06Eric Raymond: Feminists Are Trying to Frame Linus Torvalds - 413 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:42:28] <exec> 08└─Apparently in ESR's world sexual harassment doesn't happen, it's just a wyministic plot to discredit men and advance the anti-male agenda. Feminism is the advancement of equal political, economic, cultural, personal, and social rights for women. It is in no way a threat to men's rights; indeed, with...
[07:42:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:wyministic agenda! - 06Eric Raymond: Feminists Are Trying to Frame Linus Torvalds - 27 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:42:45] <exec> 08└─Lol, text circle jerk here!
[07:42:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) 02Re:wyministic agenda! - 06Eric Raymond: Feminists Are Trying to Frame Linus Torvalds - 32 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:42:51] <exec> 08└─That, at least, we can agree on.
[07:42:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:wyministic agenda! - 06Eric Raymond: Feminists Are Trying to Frame Linus Torvalds - 197 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:42:53] <exec> 08└─Third-gen feminism is not about equality. It in fact directly opposes equality and goes instead for control, power, and money for itself through fear and the deconstruction of all things masculine.
[07:42:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) 02Re:wyministic agenda! - 06Eric Raymond: Feminists Are Trying to Frame Linus Torvalds - 20 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:42:54] <exec> 08└─I will if they will.
[07:42:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:wyministic agenda! - 06Eric Raymond: Feminists Are Trying to Frame Linus Torvalds - 82 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:42:59] <exec> 08└─why do feminists want to "discredit" the tech movement or open source or whatever?
[07:43:01] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03mojo chan [266] 02Re:wyministic agenda! - 06Eric Raymond: Feminists Are Trying to Frame Linus Torvalds - 279 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:02] <exec> 08└─So it's bullshit. If there was any evidence that these measures were needed they could publish it. Instead it's all just innuendo and rumour. This has about as much credibility as the lizard illuminati running the world. One guy with an agenda, a secret source and zero evidence.
[07:43:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:wyministic agenda! - 06Eric Raymond: Feminists Are Trying to Frame Linus Torvalds - 66 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:04] <exec> 08└─There are certain opinions that are dangerous to express honestly.
[07:43:04] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] 02Re:wyministic agenda! - 06Eric Raymond: Feminists Are Trying to Frame Linus Torvalds - 187 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:05] <exec> 08└─Are you stating categorically that what ESR says ISN'T true? When absolutely zero evidence is presented to support an accusation, then yes, my default position is that it is not true.
[07:43:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:wyministic agenda! - 06Eric Raymond: Feminists Are Trying to Frame Linus Torvalds - 667 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:16] <exec> 08└─Self-identification is meaningless. The KKK self-identifies as "Christian" even though Jesus taught nothing but selflessness, pacifism, love everyone, etc. I can self-identify as God or the President or the Pope or an Alien from Alpha Centarii III or the planet Pluto but it doesn't actually make me...
[07:43:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:wyministic agenda! - 06Eric Raymond: Feminists Are Trying to Frame Linus Torvalds - 131 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:19] <exec> 08└─Bare shoulders? You didn't really show up to "work", did you? I'm an erotic dancer, you insensitive clod! Now give me another $20.
[07:43:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03lyserge [5797] (Score:1) 02Re:wyministic agenda! - 06Eric Raymond: Feminists Are Trying to Frame Linus Torvalds - 663 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:28] <exec> 08└─You seem to have missed the part of my post where I say I often debate disagreements with my friends: they're perfectly tolerant of intellectual diversity. My point was that they might take a dimmer view of my arguing a contrary position just for the sake of provoking them (as opposed to, for exampl...
[07:43:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) 02Re:wyministic agenda! - 06Eric Raymond: Feminists Are Trying to Frame Linus Torvalds - 1004 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:30] <exec> 08└─Simple, you can't be an anything-ist and be an egalitarian, except possibly a humanist. Preference for one group by its very definition means you are slighting all other competing groups. Second gen feminists I can get along with and largely agree with but I can not be one of them because their inte...
[07:43:30] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] 02Re:wyministic agenda! - 06Eric Raymond: Feminists Are Trying to Frame Linus Torvalds - 303 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:31] <exec> 08└─Want to work in porn? Turn in your feminist card and prepare to be attacked on every front they can manage. Here's an experiment: Google "feminist views on porn" and show me the "one true answer." Or, perhaps you will note that there is a diversity of opinions and a healthy debate on that fro...
[07:43:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Definition of "Electronics" - 06The Bicentennial of George Boole, the Man Who Laid the Foundations of the Digital Age - 420 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:43:51] <exec> 08└─I think you got modded troll because making a distinction over how a circuit does something is not as useful as making a distinction over what a circuit does. I try to make a distinction because I studied electronic, than electrical circuits. However, even with my lack of knowledge in the area, I su...
[07:43:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gravis [4596] (Score:2) 02he was killed by Homeopathy - 06The Bicentennial of George Boole, the Man Who Laid the Foundations of the Digital Age - 467 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[07:43:53] <exec> 08└─unfortunately, George Boole fell victim to the faux medical dogma called Homeopathy. He walked a few miles in the cold rain to give a lecture one day and got sick. His wife decided if a lot of cold water made him sick then a couple of buckets of cold water would cure him. He lied in bed and his wife...
[07:44:03] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Dunbal [3515] 02Re:Shut down the MPAA - 06MPAA Strikes a Blow Against Major BitTorrent Sites and Demonii Tracker - 30 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:44:03] <exec> 08└─Yes. Stop going to the movies.
[07:44:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Shut down the MPAA - 06MPAA Strikes a Blow Against Major BitTorrent Sites and Demonii Tracker - 79 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[07:44:07] <exec> 08└─Disney is the invader here: taking from the public Domain, but not giving back.
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[08:33:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Geotti [1146] (Score:2) 02This One's Really Simple - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 24 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:33:56] <exec> 08└─Banks and other weapons.
[08:33:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:This One's Really Simple - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:33:57] <exec> 08└─federal reserve banking, and fractional reserve banking it would mean that loans would be harder to come by... that would be so fucking terrible /sarc
[08:33:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:This One's Really Simple - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 18 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:33:59] <exec> 08└─Lawyers and mimes.
[08:34:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Adamsjas [4507] (Score:2) 02How serious could they be - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 126 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:34:00] <exec> 08└─When people but selfie sticks is the same category as nuclear weapons, you have too assume nobody took the question seriously.
[08:34:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Here's three - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 48 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:34:02] <exec> 08└─Internal combustion engine.Powder weapons.Nukes.
[08:34:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:2) 02Bad link - 06 Exhibiting the Mk2 Turing Machine - 180 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[08:34:10] <exec> 08└─The design for the machine is on github, at https://github.com [github.com] although it may not be very intelligible at the moment.
[08:40:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03quadrox [315] (Score:2) 02Re:What about the antifeatures? - 06Firefox 42 Released - 116 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:40:28] <exec> 08└─Or even better, add your own CA cert to the trusted CA list. Won't have to manually accept a single cert after that.
[08:41:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Noldir [1216] (Score:1) 02Re:Short Memories... - 06Microsoft Partners with Red Hat for Linux and .NET in the Cloud - 190 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[08:41:00] <exec> 08└─Agree with a lot of points you make except this: No, sorry, MS, Visual Studio is fine, but it doesn't do anything that other development environments don't do except play nice with Windows.
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[09:34:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:How serious could they be - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 312 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:34:06] <exec> 08└─There's no indication that there was a single person that nominated both nuclear weapons and selfie sticks. Indeed, if I understand correctly, each questioned person could nominate only one thing. I guess those who nominated nuclear weapons indeed did take the question seriously. Which was obviously...
[09:34:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Funny) 02Fix it at the source - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 4 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[09:34:08] <exec> 08└─Fire
[09:34:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0, Funny) 02Obligatory - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[09:34:10] <exec> 08└─To get this inevitable answer off the table: systemd
[09:34:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03number6 [1831] (Score:2) 02Tar - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 382 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[09:34:12] <exec> 08└─Find an alternative material for making sealed roads; something based on natural eco-friendly ubiquitous substances. Also, discourage ownership of cars which need bowling-alley-smooth roads to be driven on. Then, re-architect and re-define what a city and its elements should look like; find a way to...
[09:34:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03q.kontinuum [532] (Score:2) 02Money and nuclear power? - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 327 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[09:34:13] <exec> 08└─Not sure, but I think money would be a good candidate. My first thought was nuclear power; however, I'm not sure if the other discoveries in particle physics, micro-electronics etc. would have been possible without the same base-knowledge, and in that case I'm not sure if we are better off without a...
[09:34:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Let's see - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 84 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[09:34:15] <exec> 08└─Neckties Mullets PowerPoint Alarm clocks JavaScript Database Null's for string types
[09:34:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Not believabe - 06The Most Common Job in Each State 1978-2014 - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:34:35] <exec> 08└─I don't know if you were alive in 1978, but there was, in fact, a significant amount of roads.
[09:35:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03zocalo [302] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Hahahahah - 06More Trouble at VW - 431 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:35:10] <exec> 08└─That quote was Lutz repeating something that Piëch has told him about how he (Piëch) had "motivated" the team at VW to improve their body fits for the VW Golf. Lutz is making a point about the oppressive management culture at VW and how that might have led to a scenario where Piëch then similarly...
[09:35:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03danellisuk [2274] (Score:1) 02Re:why is co2 emissions even a question? - 06More Trouble at VW - 176 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:35:19] <exec> 08└─In the UK the annual vehicle tax depends purely on the CO2 emissions. https://www.gov.uk [www.gov.uk]
[09:36:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03black6host [3827] (Score:2) 02Re:Call the Wahbamulance - 06National Geographic, 1888 - 2015 - 203 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:36:27] <exec> 08└─I'd be sad as well. I learned a lot as a a kid and I couldn't get Playboy magazines... And party lines, what a pain in the ass. At least you had color snow on your tv. We only had black and white snow :)
[09:36:47] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Mr Big in the Pants [4956] 02Re:No Balance - 06Trans-Pacific Partnership Text Released - 320 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:36:47] <exec> 08└─e.g. "The TPP means that America will write the rules of the road in the 21st century," Should read: "The TPP means that Large American corporations will write the rules of the road in the 21st century," FTFY Obama, you disingenuous sell out. PS: In no way am I implying any of the other US candidate...
[09:36:59] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Alfred [4006] 02It won't be good for you - 06Trans-Pacific Partnership Text Released - 39 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[09:36:59] <exec> 08└─...five years of secret negotiations...
[09:37:00] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] 02Re:It won't be good for you - 06Trans-Pacific Partnership Text Released - 108 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[09:37:00] <exec> 08└─The negotiations were transparent. Indeed, they were so transparent that you couldn't actually see them! :-)
[09:37:02] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Gaaark [41] 02Wow... okay... - 06Trans-Pacific Partnership Text Released - 1266 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[09:37:03] <exec> 08└─from what i have seen, this is in response to China's rise as a super power: 'they' (the 1% and the Corporations (ie: execs who want to be a part of the 1%, or who are ruled by the 1%)) don't like that China could SCREW them all: lots of people, little in the way of environmental standards or caring...
[09:37:08] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Anal Pumpernickel [776] 02Balance - 06Trans-Pacific Partnership Text Released - 897 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[09:37:08] <exec> 08└─This is not a trade treaty, but a corporate supremacy treaty that will give corporations even more power over us. Whether there is "balance" or not is irrelevant. The most important question is this: Will it result in the further violation of our fundamental liberties and constitution? The answer is...
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[10:34:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02talk about being dealt a bad hand... - 06Immunosuppressed Man Dies of Tapeworm Cancer - 164 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[10:34:10] <exec> 08└─Wow, this poor guy. HIV, tapeworms, and tapeworm cancer? Makes me want to complain just a little less about my own life's circumstances. RIP, horribly unlucky dude.
[10:34:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:How serious could they be - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:34:24] <exec> 08└─Nuclear weapons haven't killed anyone in quite some time. Selfie sticks have caused at least 12 deaths this year.
[10:34:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Obligatory - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 255 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:34:28] <exec> 08└─> Technology (from Greek τέχνη, techne, "art, skill, cunning of hand"; and -λογία, - logia) Art, skill, cunning, I don't see how "technology" has anything to do with systemd. Oh wait, maybe the skill is Embrace Extend Extinguish. +1 to you, sir.
[10:34:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03mendax [2840] (Score:2) 02Re:Tar - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 116 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:34:31] <exec> 08└─Find an alternative material for making sealed roads; something based on natural eco-friendly ubiquitous substances.
[10:34:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03khchung [457] (Score:2) 02None - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 170 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[10:34:35] <exec> 08└─It is extreme hubris to think that once you un-invent something, no one else in the world could re-invent it, especially the "bad guys" which you don't want access to it.
[10:34:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:None - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 327 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:34:36] <exec> 08└─Well, if you had a technology to actually un-invent something (which involves removing it both from all archives and from all memories), that technology would certainly be powerful enough to also prevent re-invention. Of course if we had that un-invention technology, the first thing to un-invent wou...
[10:34:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheSage [133] (Score:1) 02Re:None - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 102 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:34:38] <exec> 08└─But that is the point. I do want the bad guys (and only the bad guys) to have access to selfie sticks.
[10:34:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Obvious - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 30 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[10:34:40] <exec> 08└─Digital Restriction Management
[10:34:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Easy - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 224 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[10:34:41] <exec> 08└─The iron. If the iron went away then the obsession with having flat clothes would disappear too, and everybody would be happy with creased clothes, and we could all save hours of our lives not pointlessly flattening clothes.
[10:34:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02I'm surprised no one's mentioned - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[10:34:43] <exec> 08└─the fax machine. (though, there are many more important things to un-invent, the fax is higher on the "annoy" scale than a stupid selfie stick.)
[10:34:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I'm surprised no one's mentioned - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:34:45] <exec> 08└─Wait, there are people who still use fax machines?
[10:34:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score:2) 02but think about *really* dangerous stuff - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 5 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[10:34:47] <exec> 08└─bacon
[10:35:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I worked at Apple - 06More Trouble at VW - 80 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:35:35] <exec> 08└─...swift is a decent language, and objective-C was a good language to begin with
[10:35:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Speaking of --gate - 06More Trouble at VW - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:35:42] <exec> 08└─"Don't give me excuses, I want results".
[10:35:44] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Anonymous Coward 02This reads like an appendix to "Icons and Idiots". - 06More Trouble at VW - 3115 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[10:35:45] <exec> 08└─Back in mid-2013, Lutz published a book called Icons and Idiots: Straight Talk on Leadership [thetruthaboutcars.com] (URL leads to a review of the book by Derek Kreindler at The Truth About Cars). It was essentially story after story of various leaders throughout his life and career, from a schoolte...
[10:35:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03fritsd [4586] (Score:2) 02Re:why is co2 emissions even a question? - 06More Trouble at VW - 857 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:35:53] <exec> 08└─In Sweden the CO2-"utsläpp" is also a large factor in the car tax: https://www.skatteverket.se [skatteverket.se] So if your car produces less than the threshold of 111 gram CO2 / km then you don't have to pay. It's a...
[10:36:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheLink [332] (Score:2) 02Re:Good bye National Geographic - 06National Geographic, 1888 - 2015 - 434 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:36:48] <exec> 08└─Speaking of retardification of TV and cost cutting. Compare, 2007: https://www.youtube.com [youtube.com] vs 2006: https://www.youtube.com [youtube.com] So which narrator should they sack? I prefer the 2006 one but I might be in the minority. Perhaps it's an ac...
[10:37:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Waiting... - 06Trans-Pacific Partnership Text Released - 40 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:37:29] <exec> 08└─They already have - it's called the TPP.
[10:40:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Murdoc [2518] (Score:2) 02Re:Manna, Manna, Manna - 06Meet your New Boss: The Algorithm - 400 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:40:51] <exec> 08└─Then it's a good thing that in a Technocracy: 1) There is no power to abuse. 2) Right to consume is a guaranteed basic right of citizenship. 3) There is no "private property", making hoarding difficult. 4) The entire point of Technocracy is "To produce an abundance of goods and services for all citi...
[10:40:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Murdoc [2518] (Score:2) 02Re:Manna, Manna, Manna - 06Meet your New Boss: The Algorithm - 116 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:40:55] <exec> 08└─So how does your analogy apply in this case? What is the parachute, and at what point is 'jumping out of the plane'?
[10:40:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Murdoc [2518] (Score:2) 02Re:Manna, Manna, Manna - 06Meet your New Boss: The Algorithm - 156 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:40:58] <exec> 08└─I don't buy this. There's obvious forced scarcity/rent seeking going on, but we're not going to magically have post scarcity just because of IP law changes.
[10:41:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:told ya - 06Microsoft Partners with Red Hat for Linux and .NET in the Cloud - 20 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[10:41:43] <exec> 08└─:clap: :clap: :clap:
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[11:34:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03iwoloschin [3863] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Warez - 06New Android Adware Affects Thousands of Apps - 386 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[11:34:04] <exec> 08└─This is like trying to download a cracked application for free, sure, you might get whatever you crave, but you're more likely to get a fun extra payload with your warez. This is an old problem, only made new because "...on phones!" Also, if you have the right phone, it's not like reflashing the ROM...
[11:34:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03inertnet [4071] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Fix it at the source - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 8 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:34:30] <exec> 08└─Religion
[11:34:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03RamiK [1813] (Score:2) 02a lot of it is the result of market forces... - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 498 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:34:35] <exec> 08└─like, poorly designed instruction sets, languages and operating systems can't just be removed since another poorly designed tech would be introduced in it's place instead of a good one. Since, the same people still want something broken to maintain as a living. Same goes for tar: there are dozens of...
[11:34:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Justin Case [4239] (Score:4, Insightful) 02The Mouse - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 1574 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[11:34:46] <exec> 08└─I'm serious. Hear me out. There was a time computers were for automating repetitious work. Skilled knowledgeable people could instruct the computer exactly what to do, and those instructions allowed infinite variety of expression for folks who bothered to learn the language. The mouse was promoted,...
[11:34:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Justin Case [4239] (Score:2) 02Re:The Mouse - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 783 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:34:48] <exec> 08└─Oh and the GUI still hasn't gotten around to that automating repetitious work part yet. Just the other day I encountered a college graduate who didn't know how to copy a file. Instead, she would open document A, select all by click and drag through dozens of pages (no control-A, that's too hard bein...
[11:34:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Justin Case [4239] (Score:2) 02Re:The Mouse - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 641 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:34:49] <exec> 08└─Oh and we've now produced several decades' worth of people who don't tell the computer what to do, the computer tells them what to do. You have email! Open it! So they open it. The email says click here so they click there. A web page comes up saying enter your password again so they enter their pas...
[11:34:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03fritsd [4586] (Score:2) 02Tough question - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 804 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[11:34:51] <exec> 08└─It's a tough question. Credit Default Swaps? Plutonium (half-life 29 000 years)? The microwave crowd-frying cannon [wikipedia.org], coming soon to a demonstration near you? Mind reading scanners? I know that they don't exist yet, but fMRI gets more and more accurate each year, and who knows what bre...
[11:34:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03inertnet [4071] (Score:3, Insightful) 02The first stage of total apathy - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 13 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[11:34:53] <exec> 08└─Social media.
[11:34:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Vanderhoth [61] (Score:2) 02Re:The first stage of total apathy - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:34:54] <exec> 08└─Damn, you beat me to it. I second Social Media
[11:35:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03FakeBeldin [3360] (Score:2) 02Re:Hahahahah - 06More Trouble at VW - 360 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:35:49] <exec> 08└─"Zero emission"? Ha! A recent environmental study from German and Norwegian institutes focused on how much car *tyres* pollute. In a nutshell: car tyres are one of the largest contributors of microplastics to the environment. Heck, I'll submit it as a story right now. For those curious: http://www.e...
[11:36:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nuke [3162] (Score:2) 02Re:Sennheiser makes some nice headphones... - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 120 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:36:35] <exec> 08└─A lot of these audio companies have an outrageously priced "flagship" model. I suspect it's mostly for marketing reasons
[11:36:53] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Anonymous Coward 02It's the staff that are valuable - 06National Geographic, 1888 - 2015 - 87 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[11:36:53] <exec> 08└─Everyone leave and start The International Geographic. All the subscribers will follow.
[11:37:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03GreatAuntAnesthesia [3275] (Score:2) 02Propaganda - 06National Geographic, 1888 - 2015 - 143 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[11:37:23] <exec> 08└─Expect lots of "scientific" "journalism" FUD pandering to the views of Murdoch and his right wing cronies - Global warming is a myth and so on.
[11:37:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score:2) 02Re:Waiting... - 06Trans-Pacific Partnership Text Released - 193 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:37:47] <exec> 08└─A 2000 page blob coming from 5 years of negotiations behind guarded closed doors? I am sure it's pretty benign. It's as if tinfoil hats actually had shielded brains from some harmful radiation.
[11:39:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03RamiK [1813] (Score:2) 02Re:Depends on your use case scenario - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft Surface Book: What is the Feeling of the SN Community - 195 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:39:26] <exec> 08└─I think that's just a linux-is-hard disclaimer: http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net [sourceforge.net] Then again, I don't have 3k to test it out...
[11:40:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Soooooo...it's basically CentOS? - 06openSUSE Leap 42.1 Becomes First Hybrid Distribution - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[11:40:10] <exec> 08└─I've been buying boxed sets of suse since the days it was spelled SuSE
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[12:33:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Not that big of a worry - 06New Android Adware Affects Thousands of Apps - 300 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:33:43] <exec> 08└─Shit someone has written a program that can give you root on all of the disparate android devices? How do I get a copy of this, been wanting to root this Galaxy S4 for a while now. Fuck you verizon. I doubt this program is very good at rooting the newer phones, some of them are not easy to root/rom.
[12:33:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Dunbal [3515] (Score:2) 02Reminds me of something. - 06Immunosuppressed Man Dies of Tapeworm Cancer - 127 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:33:52] <exec> 08└─Reminds me of something - oh yeah this [youtu.be]! Seriously though poor guy. Some people have all the luck. And some others...
[12:33:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03RamiK [1813] (Score:2) 02Sheesh, I thought slipping over a banana... - 06Immunosuppressed Man Dies of Tapeworm Cancer - 126 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:33:53] <exec> 08└─Sheesh, I thought slipping over a (half-eaten by a warm) banana on my way to the dentist and twisting my ankle was bad luck...
[12:34:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03caffeine [249] (Score:2, Funny) 02Re:How serious could they be - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 173 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:34:08] <exec> 08└─I've found the perfect way to get rid of selfie-sticks. Just walk up to someone with one and ask where they purchased the upskirt stick. The look on their face is priceless.
[12:34:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:2) 02Re:Fix it at the source - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:34:12] <exec> 08└─If we really want to stop it at its source, what about those darned "opposable thumbs" and "bipedal locomotion"?
[12:34:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:2) 02Re:Tar - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 285 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:34:18] <exec> 08└─Also with respect to not ideal, its an easy sell for the voters to give a billion dollar contract to a crony every 20 years for asphalt, but if they used concrete they'd only get a single $2B contract per century. So given an inherently crooked political system, its not going to work.
[12:34:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Tar - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 140 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:34:20] <exec> 08└─I had a panic moment when I read the subject; you can prize the tape archives from my dead drives. That wasn't what you meant so carry on...
[12:34:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03bradley13 [3053] (Score:2) 02Systems that do what you tell them to - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 1000 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:34:33] <exec> 08└─To this very day the GUI is slower and lacks features that were commonplace in 1980. Simple example: I never waited, not one second, for my computer. I could type at the speed of thought knowing my input would be buffered and the computer would eventually catch up. Now, every time I try to do anythi...
[12:34:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The first stage of total apathy - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:34:37] <exec> 08└─I third social media and really must set up an account here so I can friend you guys.
[12:34:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Finance - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 198 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:34:39] <exec> 08└─High-frequency trading. Makes mockery of "level playing field" pretense, and serves no purpose for the economy, unlike stuff like MBS which, if reasonably regulated, has its value. And skinny jeans.
[12:34:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03PizzaRollPlinkett [4512] (Score:2) 02Walled gardens, paywalls, DRM - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 116 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:34:41] <exec> 08└─Walled gardens, paywalls, and DRM are technologies which impede progress by restricting the exchange of information.
[12:34:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02the Designated Hitter - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 47 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[12:34:42] <exec> 08└─Who's with me on this!!! (looks around) Fellas?
[12:36:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Re:''Headphones are for joggers and gym-rats'' - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:36:04] <exec> 08└─And people that fly or take the train/subway Active noise cancelling is amazing, rather than cranking my phone up to 11 I can hear it at 2 or 3.
[12:36:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Re:Sennheiser makes some nice headphones... - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 266 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:36:24] <exec> 08└─I still have my Sennheisers from 1988. Awesome sound quality. Make my Nakamichi sources and Arcam amp from the late 80s also really shine. from The sponge has rotted, and of course they no longer make replacements, so I have to do a little bit of shitty-looking DIY.
[12:39:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Simple - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft Surface Book: What is the Feeling of the SN Community - 82 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[12:39:19] <exec> 08└─there is no such thing as a great trackpad. its like great ebola or great syphilis
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[13:33:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03MrGuy [1007] (Score:2) 02Two cases! - 06Two Cases of Police Misrepresenting Attacks on Them, one to be Ruled a Suicide - 838 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:33:31] <exec> 08└─Some guy in Dallas robbed a bank. [dallasnews.com] And some guy in Nashville did too! [wsmv.com] So friggin' what? You found two incidents of a thing. Are they linked? Is there a trend here? Is there a reason we should consider these two things together? The thing that "links" these incidents (cops...
[13:33:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Non Sequor [1005] (Score:2) 02Re:Two cases! - 06Two Cases of Police Misrepresenting Attacks on Them, one to be Ruled a Suicide - 88 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:33:32] <exec> 08└─Look! When you connect these two points, they make a line! That has to be a secret clue!
[13:33:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:2) 02Re:Two cases! - 06Two Cases of Police Misrepresenting Attacks on Them, one to be Ruled a Suicide - 1128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:33:34] <exec> 08└─The point was that in both cases, these officers' deaths were used to discredit completely legitimate efforts to criticize the police for their heavy-handedness. There were various talking heads saying "Look at what happened to the cop in Fox Lake, that's all the fault of Black Lives Matter!" The th...
[13:33:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03chrysosphinx [5262] (Score:1) 02Re:Warez - 06New Android Adware Affects Thousands of Apps - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:33:43] <exec> 08└─Though maybe we should stop calling it a ROM if people are writing to it...?
[13:34:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:How serious could they be - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 57 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:34:08] <exec> 08└─Nuclear weapons haven't killed anyone in quite some time.
[13:34:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:None - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:34:26] <exec> 08└─especially the "bad guys" which you don't want access to it.
[13:34:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nuke [3162] (Score:2) 02Re:None - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 901 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:34:27] <exec> 08└─The Japanese un-invented the wheel around 1500 AD. Japanese pictures showing wheeled vehicles have been dated to before that time, but later pictures showed men carrying even heavy stuff by hand. The Japanese deliberately kept themselves technically backward until the latter part of the 19th century...
[13:34:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Easy - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 160 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:34:31] <exec> 08└─ironing was initially useful as a sterilization technique (in particular for linen). not that I don't disagree that the obsession with smooth clothes is stupid.
[13:34:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The Mouse - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:34:40] <exec> 08└─please go have a cookie. and a drink of water. we can talk afterwards.
[13:34:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03fritsd [4586] (Score:2) 02Re:Walled gardens, paywalls, DRM - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 116 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:34:47] <exec> 08└─Walled gardens, paywalls, and DRM are technologies which impede progress by restricting the exchange of information.
[13:34:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03MrGuy [1007] (Score:2) 02Clickbait and celebrity polling. - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:34:49] <exec> 08└─Because fluff articles like this with no real point pop up ALL THE DAMN TIME.
[13:34:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03SomeGuy [5632] (Score:2) 02Uninvent Facefook - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 400 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[13:34:51] <exec> 08└─Off the top of my head: Facebook Twitter Unnecessary fancy bloated web page scripting Malware Touch screens Actually, touch screens were rapidly "uninvented" in the early 1980's (look up the HP 150) as people realized that was useless on a desktop computer. Unfortunately touch screens sort of work f...
[13:35:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03choose another one [515] (Score:2) 02Re:why is co2 emissions even a question? - 06More Trouble at VW - 236 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:35:58] <exec> 08└─There aren't any CO2 limits for _individual_ cars, although it may affect tax bands, but EU mfrs do have to meet fleet average CO2 targets - currently 130 g/km I believe (which is a 50mpg average for petrol, slightly more for diesels ).
[13:37:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gravis [4596] (Score:2) 02i hope you have good Unicode support - 06Trans-Pacific Partnership Text Released - 213 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:37:45] <exec> 08└─Hi! I noticed you were trying to form an opinion. Would you like a political party to tell you what to think? * Yes * Do I have a choice? ⁀ | | ︠◕ ︡◕ |꒤|    ͜
[13:37:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bot [3902] (Score:2) 02Re:Wow... okay... - 06Trans-Pacific Partnership Text Released - 133 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:37:52] <exec> 08└─>The only way for anything to change is for roughly 7 billion people to say no this is the one-liner explaining the push for the NWO.
[13:42:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03urza9814 [3954] (Score:2) 02Re:keeping up appeances - 06Feeling Like a Fraud on the Job - 204 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[13:42:51] <exec> 08└─Used to be that you could know three or four things in great depth (C, Perl, SQL, and C++ or Java) and be able to do almost anything. Now there's a new language, platform, framework, etc every few months.
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[14:33:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02Shake My Head - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 126 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:33:29] <exec> 08└─Talk about a blatantly corrupt legislation. Ban municipal utility to protect asinine monopolies? Fuck me. How did we get here?
[14:33:38] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Thexalon [636] 02Re:Two cases! - 06Two Cases of Police Misrepresenting Attacks on Them, one to be Ruled a Suicide - 1128 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:33:38] <exec> 08└─The point was that in both cases, these officers' deaths were used to discredit completely legitimate efforts to criticize the police for their heavy-handedness. There were various talking heads saying "Look at what happened to the cop in Fox Lake, that's all the fault of Black Lives Matter!" The th...
[14:33:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Two cases! - 06Two Cases of Police Misrepresenting Attacks on Them, one to be Ruled a Suicide - 35 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:33:40] <exec> 08└─That is completely unproven at best
[14:33:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:talk about being dealt a bad hand... - 06Immunosuppressed Man Dies of Tapeworm Cancer - 27 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:33:58] <exec> 08└─"Nonadherent to therapy"...
[14:34:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02They were feeding him mutagens - 06Immunosuppressed Man Dies of Tapeworm Cancer - 57 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:34:01] <exec> 08└─https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tenofovir [wikipedia.org]
[14:34:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Politically correct - 06Immunosuppressed Man Dies of Tapeworm Cancer - 7 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:34:03] <exec> 08└─Are we?
[14:34:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03nitehawk214 [1304] (Score:1) 02Re:How serious could they be - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 403 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:34:19] <exec> 08└─Slipping and falling? How is that being killed by nuclear weapons. You could have picked something actually directly affected, poisoned by the highly toxic components while servicing the weapon, perhaps? (toxicity may be more dangerous than the radiation, in fact) Though my guess is there are more d...
[14:34:20] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03caffeine [249] 02Re:How serious could they be - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 173 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:34:20] <exec> 08└─I've found the perfect way to get rid of selfie-sticks. Just walk up to someone with one and ask where they purchased the upskirt stick. The look on their face is priceless.
[14:34:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03nitehawk214 [1304] (Score:1) 02Re:How serious could they be - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:34:21] <exec> 08└─Fire the nuclear weapons at the selfie sticks. Problem solved.
[14:34:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Here's three - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 74 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:34:24] <exec> 08└─Internal combustion engine. Powder weapons. Nukes.
[14:34:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03AnonymousCowardNoMore [5416] (Score:2) 02Re:Here's three - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 36 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:34:26] <exec> 08└─WE ARE. We don't want your luddites.
[14:34:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Fix it at the source - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 152 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:34:29] <exec> 08└─If you really want to stop it at its source, go for digestion. Get your energy peacefully through photosynthesis, instead of by eating other life forms!
[14:34:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nuke [3162] (Score:2) 02Re:Tar - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 584 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:34:35] <exec> 08└─Concrete roads are awful. The M5 motorway ring around London passes through Kent in the South East quadrant, where it has a concrete surface as a sop to the local cement industry. You grit your teeth over that section because of the noise and vibration, and the jolts at the joints. My parent's resid...
[14:34:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score:2) 02Re:Tar - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 871 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:34:38] <exec> 08└─Properly built highways here in the US are all made with concrete. The concrete is more stable than asphalt, and can handle a much higher load, which is important for longevity when tractor-trailers are driving on them at high speeds. The concrete is rather thick though (well over a foot IIRC, maybe...
[14:34:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03tibman [134] (Score:2) 02Re:Tar - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 126 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:34:39] <exec> 08└─It looks like that road has been in use since the 60's-70's: https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org]
[14:34:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score:2) 02Re:None - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 981 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:34:48] <exec> 08└─Incorrect. The problem with a lot of shitty technologies is that they're used because of non-technical reasons, usually inertia. If everyone got rid of them tomorrow and switched to something else, they wouldn't want to go back. For example, suppose we somehow finally got rid of fax machines everywh...
[14:34:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] (Score:3, Interesting) 02powered clothes dryer - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 1073 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:34:52] <exec> 08└─Lose the powered clothes dryer. What does a dryer do, really? Mostly, make clothes dry faster. Clothes dry perfectly well without one. Yes, lines and racks work even in fairly humid climates. The downsides are dryers run up your energy bill, they wear out your clothes faster, and they don't save muc...
[14:34:55] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Justin Case [4239] 02The Mouse - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 1574 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:34:56] <exec> 08└─I'm serious. Hear me out. There was a time computers were for automating repetitious work. Skilled knowledgeable people could instruct the computer exactly what to do, and those instructions allowed infinite variety of expression for folks who bothered to learn the language. The mouse was promoted,...
[14:35:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03SomeGuy [5632] (Score:2) 02Re:The Mouse - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 1438 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:35:01] <exec> 08└─Many professional typists in the early 80s did in fact balk at the idea of using the mouse. Mainly because they would have to move their hands from the keyboard to the mouse and back repeatedly. On the other hand, everyone else got tired of memorizing 100 unlabeled control keys for each application,...
[14:35:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03kurenai.tsubasa [5227] (Score:2) 02Re:The Mouse - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 470 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:35:03] <exec> 08└─Damn, you beat me to it. I was going to say GUI, but this works as well. Invariably, if somebody is allergic to the command line, they are going to be a piss poor programmer and a downright risk on the public internet. Also, let me throw this out there. I know it's false and based on faulty reasonin...
[14:35:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Possible peak secretary reason? - 06The Most Common Job in Each State 1978-2014 - 527 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:35:24] <exec> 08└─Was that simply the "holy shit, we need two incomes now" rush caused by people who couldn't really afford it being tempted into getting mortgages. The job market was probably flooded with many not-hugely-skilled housewives at that point. If there's no distinction between data entry clerks and secret...
[14:35:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03fritsd [4586] (Score:2) 02Re:Really... - 06$6,000 Computer Desk Lets You Lie Down While You Work - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:35:38] <exec> 08└─That only works, if you wear a ribbon round your head, and are a successful rockstar/neurosurgeon, I'm afraid.
[14:35:41] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03tftp [806] 02Must have for H1B's - 06$6,000 Computer Desk Lets You Lie Down While You Work - 1097 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[14:35:42] <exec> 08└─If you are a software PHB, search no more. This is the ultimate solution to fix all your mistakes in project planning and management! As you have probably discovered already, employees cannot sit in their chairs for far more than 8-9 hours. This unfortunate deficiency of a human body puts a natural...
[14:36:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The simple facts... - 06More Trouble at VW - 89 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:36:10] <exec> 08└─At least Ford and Dodge go full rich when the ECM sees full throttle signal from the TPS,
[14:36:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Viral marketing campaign is a success - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 197 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:36:31] <exec> 08└─And if you're gonna spend that much, why not get a whole goddamn home-theater rig? Headphones are for joggers and gym-rats, people who watch porn in their rooms while mom's home, and DJ's 'n' shit.
[14:36:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03deimtee [3272] (Score:2) 02Re:Sennheiser makes some nice headphones... - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 206 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:36:51] <exec> 08└─Try ebay. I've got a fairly nice sounding set of cheapish (~$100) open sennheisers, but after a few years the foam covers went to pieces. Replacements were about a dollar a pair on ebay, and they work fine.
[14:37:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03FatPhil [863] (Score:2) 02Re:Good bye National Geographic - 06National Geographic, 1888 - 2015 - 279 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:37:16] <exec> 08└─The 2006 one was pretty naff. The 2007 one was downright retarded. However, if it can encourage kids to become interested in the biological sciences, then it's neither is all bad. Thanks for the data point. This reinforces my reasons for not having a telly for the last 15 years.
[14:37:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03tempest [3050] (Score:2) 02Re:Good bye National Geographic - 06National Geographic, 1888 - 2015 - 596 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:37:18] <exec> 08└─I wouldn't just say its just the retardifacation of TV, which has never been especially intellectual. But look at the alternatives offered by the Internet. There's more history than you could ever read, tutorials on more skills than you could ever learn, and more science than you could ever absorb,...
[14:39:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Daiv [3940] (Score:2) 02Re:Design Flaw - 06Ask Soylent: Microsoft Surface Book: What is the Feeling of the SN Community - 44 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:39:49] <exec> 08└─likely ushering in a large number of returns
[14:41:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03nitehawk214 [1304] (Score:1) 02Re:No it isn't - 06Meet your New Boss: The Algorithm - 822 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:41:19] <exec> 08└─Actually the frustration I was venting at yesterday was one power company in particular that has computer systems so poorly set up that you have to call them on the phone and give them a authorization number if you make a payment by phone or online. The 3rd party payer accepted the payment, but afte...
[14:41:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03nitehawk214 [1304] (Score:1) 02Re:No it isn't - 06Meet your New Boss: The Algorithm - 235 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[14:41:20] <exec> 08└─Anyhow, it is the benefit of being a government sponsored monopoly. You get to shit on your customers, and they cant even take their money elsewhere. We can't vote them out either and they pay for the politicians to play nice for them.
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[15:33:32] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Dale [539] 02Re:Shake My Head - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 443 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:33:32] <exec> 08└─Mostly by apathy. Most issues in our country could be solved by an informed and active electorate. Unfortunately we have neither an informed electorate nor an active one. Much of the activity we do have is uninformed. Voting rates during presidential years is pretty sad. Voting rates during non-pres...
[15:33:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03opinionated_science [4031] (Score:2) 02Re:Shake My Head - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 392 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:33:33] <exec> 08└─http://www.amazon.com/Voting-Changed-Anything-Theyd-Abolish/dp/0006373356 [amazon.com] "If Voting Changed Anything They'd Abolish It" - K. Livingston. Until lobbying is banned (at least in private) , how can you expect politicians to act in your interest? They are simply doing what they are paid for...
[15:33:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:4, Interesting) 02Re:Shake My Head - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 609 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:33:35] <exec> 08└─Ever wonder how the word "to railroad" came to mean "shove legislation through without anything remotely resembling proper consideration"? In the 1890's, it was routine for railroad company executives (these guys were basically the same sort of scum as oil company executives are today) to show up in...
[15:33:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score:2) 02Re:Shake My Head - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 192 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:33:36] <exec> 08└─I was fairly certain the term arose from the fact that rails can take you to only one destination. This etymology lightly supports my understanding [etymonline.com]. Where did yours come from?
[15:33:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:2) 02Re:Shake My Head - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 148 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:33:38] <exec> 08└─This [metafilter.com] has several references, including an 1897 dictionary entry that describes this meaning and certainly implies a similar origin.
[15:33:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) 02Re:Shake My Head - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 388 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:33:40] <exec> 08└─Neither option here is good. On the one hand you have government sanctioned duopolies; on the other you have government entering into private industry with its vastly larger coffers and the ability to pass laws to help itself and hinder its competition. What's truly needed is new players of the disr...
[15:33:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:Shake My Head - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 390 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:33:41] <exec> 08└─The thing is, most places where the people want their local government to build that "last mile", there is no competition. None of the major providers are willing to build it, because the return on investment will only be a small fraction of what they can get in more populated areas. So, there is no...
[15:33:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:Shake My Head - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 104 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:33:43] <exec> 08└─"Fuck me. How did we get here?" I think we were all drunk on our asses, because I can't remember either.
[15:33:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Chromium_One [4574] (Score:3, Interesting) 02A sudden attack of sanity? - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 568 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:33:45] <exec> 08└─Municipal broadband, treated as a utility, may be the only way to get decent service anywhere that's not hobbled by spying (cable ISPs doing tracking because you might torrent their shows), hobbling of VOD services (again, cable providers because COMPETITION) or more spying (Google, for better targe...
[15:33:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:2) 02Re:A sudden attack of sanity? - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 170 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:33:46] <exec> 08└─Of course, as I'm sure our libertarian folks would be happy to remind us, the government is at least as capable of spying on you as any private company is, legally or no.
[15:33:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03jdavidb [5690] (Score:2) 02Re:Two cases! - 06Two Cases of Police Misrepresenting Attacks on Them, one to be Ruled a Suicide - 237 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:33:53] <exec> 08└─The submitter may be hoping we connect the dots that way, but I noticed that he seems to be restraining himself from explicitly connecting them in his submission. Still interesting data points, even if we don't draw the same conclusions.
[15:33:55] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03M. Baranczak [1673] 02Re:Two cases! - 06Two Cases of Police Misrepresenting Attacks on Them, one to be Ruled a Suicide - 645 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:33:56] <exec> 08└─Another related bit of data: Cops often talk about how dangerous their job is, implying that this gives them the right to act like assholes. This is not just logically unsound, it's based on a false premise. The truth is, their job might be more dangerous than web development or dentistry, but in th...
[15:33:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:2) 02Re:Two cases! - 06Two Cases of Police Misrepresenting Attacks on Them, one to be Ruled a Suicide - 167 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:33:57] <exec> 08└─Last I checked the numbers, it wasn't even the profession most likely to be murdered on the job: Cabbies and convenience store clerks both took on more risk than cops.
[15:33:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score:2) 02Re:Two cases! - 06Two Cases of Police Misrepresenting Attacks on Them, one to be Ruled a Suicide - 626 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:33:59] <exec> 08└─And the thing that gets me is there's a lot of real debate to be had on the subject of necessary force. But rather than discussing the situations that pressure cops to be heavy handed in America where they might not be as much in other countries, and what we can do to mitigate that need for them, th...
[15:34:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03KilroySmith [2113] (Score:2) 02I'm confused... - 06Immunosuppressed Man Dies of Tapeworm Cancer - 106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:34:21] <exec> 08└─"a 41-year-old man" and "and cervical...lymphadenopathy" don't compute for me, but I'm just an engineer...
[15:34:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I'm confused... - 06Immunosuppressed Man Dies of Tapeworm Cancer - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:34:22] <exec> 08└─Cervical as in the neck area of his spine. Not the cervix as in female parts.
[15:34:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I'm confused... - 06Immunosuppressed Man Dies of Tapeworm Cancer - 61 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:34:23] <exec> 08└─Cervical means neck: Cervix uteri (Latin: neck of the uterus)
[15:34:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Archon V2.0 [3887] (Score:2) 02Re:I'm confused... - 06Immunosuppressed Man Dies of Tapeworm Cancer - 319 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:34:25] <exec> 08└─> "a 41-year-old man" and "and cervical...lymphadenopathy" don't compute for me, but I'm just an engineer... Evidently, as I don't think of engineers as sports fans; I'd suspect that any fan of a rough sport would have heard about one of their favorite manly men suffering cervical vertebrae or cervi...
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[15:34:35] <exec> 08└─Banks and other weapons.
[15:34:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:How serious could they be - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 66 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:34:43] <exec> 08└─Slipping and falling? How is that being killed by nuclear weapons.
[15:34:49] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03inertnet [4071] 02Re:Fix it at the source - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 8 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:34:50] <exec> 08└─Religion
[15:34:52] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Anonymous Coward 02Obligatory - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 52 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:34:53] <exec> 08└─To get this inevitable answer off the table: systemd
[15:34:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Geotti [1146] (Score:2) 02Re:Obligatory - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 54 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:34:55] <exec> 08└─Oh wait, maybe the skill is Embrace Extend Extinguish.
[15:35:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] (Score:2) 02rearchitect the city - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 866 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:35:04] <exec> 08└─While you're on the subject of urban living, how about drastically changing lawn care? How ever did we allow ourselves to be suckered into spending so much time and money on lawns? It's nuts. We have powered lawn mowers, riding lawn mowers, edgers, weed whackers, weed killers, leaf blowers, fertiliz...
[15:35:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03JeanCroix [573] (Score:2) 02Re:Tar - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 338 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:35:05] <exec> 08└─I saw the subject line, and initially thought you'd meant to prevent long-range sailing in the age of wooden ships (hulls were sealed with tar/pitch). Which, thinking about it, would have drastically changed the history of the world. What if Europeans hadn't been able to "discover" the new world unt...
[15:35:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03OwMyBrain [5044] (Score:1) 02Re:None - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 66 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:35:11] <exec> 08└─If you outlaw selfie sticks, only outlaws will have selfie sticks.
[15:35:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Grishnakh [2831] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Easy - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:35:19] <exec> 08└─Who the heck still irons clothes? The only time I have to do that is when I put on my interview suit.
[15:35:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03urza9814 [3954] (Score:2) 02Re:Easy - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 33 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:35:20] <exec> 08└─Who the heck still irons clothes?
[15:35:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The Mouse - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:35:31] <exec> 08└─Invariably, if somebody is allergic to the command line, they are going to be a piss poor programmer
[15:35:49] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03RedBear [1734] 02Re:Not believabe - 06The Most Common Job in Each State 1978-2014 - 383 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:35:49] <exec> 08└─They seem to default to truck driver for long periods of times before there were any significant amount of truck traffic. Or roads. And truck drivers were never a significant percentage of any of the state's I'm familiar with where as farmers, loggers construction workers, and industrial workers wer...
[15:35:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Re:Not believabe - 06The Most Common Job in Each State 1978-2014 - 502 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:35:53] <exec> 08└─I think you seriously underestimate how many people drive for a living. The self driving car is not to help you get home after a long days work. It is to eviscerate that industry. Think along the lines of 5% of the US population doing this every day. http://www.bls.gov
[15:35:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03TrumpetPower! [590] (Score:2) 02Re:Possible peak secretary reason? - 06The Most Common Job in Each State 1978-2014 - 1207 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:35:55] <exec> 08└─You remember the primary tool of the secretary? The typewriter. Once upon a time, managers gave dictation to their secretaries -- secretaries who also spent a lot of time filing that correspondence and similar documents in physical manilla folders in metal filing cabinets. All those secretaries have...
[15:35:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03TrumpetPower! [590] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Change a-comin' - 06The Most Common Job in Each State 1978-2014 - 2879 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:35:57] <exec> 08└─And, by, "change," I mean, "unprecedented widespread social upheaval." See all those jobs labeled, "truck driver"? In very short order, they're going to be automated out of existence. Now, yes. We saw the mass migration from farms to cities a century ago, and the past few decades have seen the end o...
[15:35:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Change a-comin' - 06The Most Common Job in Each State 1978-2014 - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:35:59] <exec> 08└─"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" Is that what you are saying?
[15:36:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03fritsd [4586] (Score:2) 02Alternative furniture plan - 06$6,000 Computer Desk Lets You Lie Down While You Work - 310 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:36:16] <exec> 08└─Or, the office could purchase a smelly second-hand neofuturistic Saarinen fauteuil for $50, for those rare days that a developer really needs to think deeply and design, and an ergonomic swivel chair and height-adjustable table and spring-loaded IBM model M keyboard [wikipedia.org] for when they nee...
[15:37:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Oblig - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 474 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:37:17] <exec> 08└─Oh my uncle the one who blew out three cables learned that the hard way. He had the re-winder too that you show. It only sorta worked. You must get both. Those waves induced in the length of the cable from a magnetized CD will harmonize on the particular music and cause distortions that any idiot ca...
[15:37:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Must say this. - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 503 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[15:37:36] <exec> 08└─"Audiophiles" are the ultimate suckers. They take great pride in being able to tell the difference in sound produced by different hdmi, usb, or speaker cables, at the same time, looking down on others who have "unworthy" sound systems. Granted a crappy sounding cheap stereo sounds crappy. But buyi...
[15:38:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:No Balance - 06Trans-Pacific Partnership Text Released - 213 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:38:30] <exec> 08└─FTFY Obama, you disingenuous sell out. You think billions in 'campaign donations' dont come with strings attached do you? The do. Big obligations. I am voting for 'none of the above' next year. I am with Brewster.
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[15:42:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:1) 02Re:Manna, Manna, Manna - 06Meet your New Boss: The Algorithm - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[15:42:08] <exec> 08└─Is that all you think that Technocracy is?
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[16:33:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:2) 02Change - 06Out With the Old, in With the New: Telescope Mirrors Get New Shape - 49 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:33:32] <exec> 08└─has triggered a sea change in optical engineering
[16:33:43] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Thexalon [636] 02Re:Shake My Head - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 609 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:33:44] <exec> 08└─Ever wonder how the word "to railroad" came to mean "shove legislation through without anything remotely resembling proper consideration"? In the 1890's, it was routine for railroad company executives (these guys were basically the same sort of scum as oil company executives are today) to show up in...
[16:33:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Shake My Head - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 97 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:33:47] <exec> 08└─I had a polite disagreement with someone online and learned something from it! I beat the system!
[16:33:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score:2) 02Re:Shake My Head - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 469 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:33:48] <exec> 08└─I can see the political meaning. The Feds gave the railroads over 10% of the land in the US _and_ loaned the owners the money to build the railroads. The companies were then allowed to get private loans for the same amount the Feds gave them, and the private loans had priority over the Federal loans...
[16:33:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:Shake My Head - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 166 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:33:52] <exec> 08└─on the other you have government entering into private industry with its vastly larger coffers and the ability to pass laws to help itself and hinder its competition.
[16:33:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gravis [4596] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Shake My Head - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 134 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:33:54] <exec> 08└─What's truly needed is new players of the disruptive, private competition variety and the government to get the hell out of their way.
[16:33:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score:2) 02Re:Shake My Head - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 346 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:33:56] <exec> 08└─Yeah, we should privatize water, roads, sewer -- life would be so much better if you had to pop a quarter in your toilet every time you needed to use it, or pay a toll over 3 miles. Privatized water is such a bargain too. http://www.statesman.com
[16:33:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Chromium_One [4574] (Score:1) 02Re:A sudden attack of sanity? - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 259 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:33:58] <exec> 08└─In this case at least, this is a step forward for government efficiency. Remove the middleman! Less snarky of a reply, well, in some cases state and local governments are standing up against the feds recently. Consider your local reps and their track records.
[16:33:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03tathra [3367] (Score:2) 02Re:A sudden attack of sanity? - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 1285 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:34:00] <exec> 08└─thats what the constitution is for. the post office is, of course, capable of opening all your mail and reading its contents, but they're forbidden from doing so by law and by the constitution. government-run utilities are similarly hindered by the constitution from spying on you (not that it would...
[16:34:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03srobert [4803] (Score:2) 02Re:A sudden attack of sanity? - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 290 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:34:02] <exec> 08└─"...I'm sure our libertarian folks would be happy to remind us, the government is at least as capable of spying on you as any private company is..." I'm not one of them, but I think their position usually is that government is not as capable of doing anything as well as the private sector.
[16:34:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Two cases! - 06Two Cases of Police Misrepresenting Attacks on Them, one to be Ruled a Suicide - 427 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:34:15] <exec> 08└─The truth is, their job might be more dangerous than web development or dentistry, but in the big picture it's not all that dangerous. There's a report from the BLS here, showing the rate of on-the-job deaths grouped by occupation. For police officers, it's 10.6 (per 100,000 full-time workers). Whic...
[16:34:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:2) 02Re:Two cases! - 06Two Cases of Police Misrepresenting Attacks on Them, one to be Ruled a Suicide - 277 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:34:17] <exec> 08└─But rather than discussing the situations that pressure cops to be heavy handed in America where they might not be as much in other countries, and what we can do to mitigate that need for them, the "pro cop" "side" seems mostly intent on protecting "good guys" from "bad guys".
[16:34:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score:2) 02Re:Two cases! - 06Two Cases of Police Misrepresenting Attacks on Them, one to be Ruled a Suicide - 120 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:34:18] <exec> 08└─You found two incidents of a thing. Are they linked? Is there a trend here? Go back and read TFS all the way to the end.
[16:34:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02No Cover-up - 06Two Cases of Police Misrepresenting Attacks on Them, one to be Ruled a Suicide - 104 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:34:20] <exec> 08└─The good news about these two cases is that both situations were investigated and there was no cover-up.
[16:34:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:talk about being dealt a bad hand... - 06Immunosuppressed Man Dies of Tapeworm Cancer - 135 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:34:39] <exec> 08└─HIV antivirals aren't cheap, simple to administer, or free of side effects. Patients have many reasons for not continuing with therapy.
[16:34:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03KilroySmith [2113] (Score:2) 02Re:I'm confused... - 06Immunosuppressed Man Dies of Tapeworm Cancer - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:34:46] <exec> 08└─Thank you; I was confused but I'm better now (and slightly embarrased, to tell the truth...)
[16:34:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I'm confused... - 06Immunosuppressed Man Dies of Tapeworm Cancer - 218 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:34:50] <exec> 08└─I had cervical surgery done twice. When I went to get a cervical collar I asked for a cervix collar. When I asked the doctor about the donor bone they were going to place there, I said boner bone. Too many painkillers.
[16:34:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Funny) 02His Last Words: - 06Immunosuppressed Man Dies of Tapeworm Cancer - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[16:34:51] <exec> 08└─"At least...I don't....have to deal with....System........Deee.....anymore -- *gaak* *thunk*"
[16:35:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:This One's Really Simple - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 195 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:35:02] <exec> 08└─All wars are banker's wars. The Bank of England funded Napoleon, as well as his enemies. The bank can't lose - whoever wins is on the hook for more money than they can possibly earn in lifetimes.
[16:35:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:Tar - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 559 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:35:27] <exec> 08└─All of that is due to improper dirt work. If a road way is meant to last, the dirt is dug away at least three feet deeper than the concrete will be poured. Roll it, till it, mix it with lime, roll it and till it agains and again, adding more and more lime. When the dirt has zero moisture, and it has...
[16:35:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:Tar - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 376 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:35:29] <exec> 08└─The Romans made much better concrete than we do. Some of their work has been exposed to and/or submerged in ocean water for two thousand years. And the Romans didn't use bulldozers, excavators, trucks, or any of the other crap our wimpy nation needs to make concrete. https://newscenter.lbl.gov
[16:35:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Easy - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 26 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:35:49] <exec> 08└─You don't own clothes? :-)
[16:36:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Huh. - 06The Most Common Job in Each State 1978-2014 - 23 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:36:06] <exec> 08└─Are you a truck driver?
[16:36:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Covalent [43] (Score:2) 02This right here - 06The Most Common Job in Each State 1978-2014 - 570 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:36:14] <exec> 08└─Truck drivers are the biggest buggy whip manufacturers in America today. They are sitting (literally) in jobs that won't exist in the relatively near future. And you're right again: it's not just long haul truckers. FedEx / UPS / DHL / Taxis / Buses / Postal Employees - all could be conceivably repl...
[16:36:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03TrumpetPower! [590] (Score:2) 02Re:Change a-comin' - 06The Most Common Job in Each State 1978-2014 - 1639 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:36:20] <exec> 08└─Huh? Where'd you get that from? For all of human history before the present, the problem has been too much work and not enough people to do it. And the work has been true life-or-death stuff...people to be out in the fields taking care of the crops, people building shelter against otherwise-fatal we...
[16:36:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score:2) 02Re:Change a-comin' - 06The Most Common Job in Each State 1978-2014 - 141 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:36:22] <exec> 08└─I think he's saying that if you want to avoid the guillotine, you have to be realistic. Not every person is just going to shut up and starve.
[16:37:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Re:''Headphones are for joggers and gym-rats'' - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 246 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:37:29] <exec> 08└─In those situations, the cheapest (comfy) noise-cancelling headphones achieving a decent attenuation are all you need, because the remaining noise is still way too high to bother with high-end reproduction, of your MP3 and streaming crummy audio.
[16:42:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:1) 02Re:Manna, Manna, Manna - 06Meet your New Boss: The Algorithm - 1219 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[16:42:34] <exec> 08└─Tell you what. I'll go through the list of attributes and show you why "Technocracy" is a terrible idea. There are many, but a few can be summarized here: A thoroughly scientific method of control of the technology of the continent. Democratic controls for all non-technical issues and decision...
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[17:33:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Tyre - 06Car Tyres Cause 55% of Microplastic Waste, According to Study - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:33:27] <exec> 08└─What's a tyre? We speak English around these here parts.
[17:33:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score:2) 02Re:Tyre - 06Car Tyres Cause 55% of Microplastic Waste, According to Study - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:33:28] <exec> 08└─And not whatever that weird language they speak in England is!
[17:33:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Tyre - 06Car Tyres Cause 55% of Microplastic Waste, According to Study - 41 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:33:29] <exec> 08└─Did you see the last link in the summary?
[17:33:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02laws of physics... - 06Out With the Old, in With the New: Telescope Mirrors Get New Shape - 358 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:33:39] <exec> 08└─I'm a bit confused because the good-old parabolic/circular shape is taught as being optimum at focusing light hitting a given area onto a sensor. it's also easier to operate than something with corners. There are some safe jobs to be had simulating the effects, on those weird shapes, of imperfection...
[17:33:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] (Score:2) 02Re:Shake My Head - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 1056 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:33:49] <exec> 08└─I don't know whether voters should take all the blame. There's such a thing as voter fatigue, where we are asked and asked to vote on every little thing. To make it harder, it can be astonishingly difficult to get any good information. I've voted having no more information about two opponents than t...
[17:33:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Re:Shake My Head - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 149 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:33:50] <exec> 08└─A vote gives a hard reason to support a law which will instantly be attacked in court. Threats of defunding campaigns can be avoided more easily too.
[17:33:54] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03ikanreed [3164] 02Re:Shake My Head - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 97 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:33:55] <exec> 08└─I had a polite disagreement with someone online and learned something from it! I beat the system!
[17:33:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Re:Shake My Head - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 136 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:33:57] <exec> 08└─Expect a troll to show up any second to bring balance back to the Force. ... which is OK as long as he doesn't bring a moronic sidekick.
[17:34:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:2) 02Re:A sudden attack of sanity? - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 124 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:34:09] <exec> 08└─There's one exception to that rule, and that's oppression-related, which spying on Internet traffic definitely qualifies as.
[17:34:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02What we are witnessing... - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:34:10] <exec> 08└─is a very refreshing uprising against the aspiring monopolists of the world.
[17:34:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score:2) 02Re:Two cases! - 06Two Cases of Police Misrepresenting Attacks on Them, one to be Ruled a Suicide - 376 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:34:28] <exec> 08└─Right, so... the thing is those causes I'm alleging don't have to do with the particular situations. But the fact that guns(!) are so prevalent in this nation that cops in general are on edge most of the time. Yeah, I know that's not a discussion the right-wing wants to have either, but there are pl...
[17:34:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03PizzaRollPlinkett [4512] (Score:2) 02a third-party app store - 06New Android Adware Affects Thousands of Apps - 287 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:34:41] <exec> 08└─Apps at "a third-party app store" are malicious? Next thing you'll tell me is that Rolex I just bought in an alley isn't a real Rolex and will turn my arm green. Seriously, why is this even news? The only good thing is 99.9% of casual users don't know these third-party app things exist.
[17:35:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:His Last Words: - 06Immunosuppressed Man Dies of Tapeworm Cancer - 19 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:35:03] <exec> 08└─No... He had a BSOD
[17:35:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:2) 02Re:Fix it at the source - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:35:32] <exec> 08└─That's no good: Aren't you familiar with the Oxygenation Catastrophe [wikipedia.org] of 2.3 billion years ago?
[17:35:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score:2) 02Re:Fix it at the source - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 123 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:35:33] <exec> 08└─In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
[17:35:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nuke [3162] (Score:2) 02Re:Tar - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 72 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:35:43] <exec> 08└─Sorry, slip of the pen, I meant the M25, not M5. Constructed mid 1980's.
[17:35:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Freeman [732] (Score:2) 02Re:Tar - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 151 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:35:51] <exec> 08└─Tar is naturally occuring . . . perhaps not in the refined form that goes on the road, but still. https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org]
[17:35:53] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03khchung [457] 02None - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 170 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[17:35:54] <exec> 08└─It is extreme hubris to think that once you un-invent something, no one else in the world could re-invent it, especially the "bad guys" which you don't want access to it.
[17:36:03] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] 02powered clothes dryer - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 1073 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:36:04] <exec> 08└─Lose the powered clothes dryer. What does a dryer do, really? Mostly, make clothes dry faster. Clothes dry perfectly well without one. Yes, lines and racks work even in fairly humid climates. The downsides are dryers run up your energy bill, they wear out your clothes faster, and they don't save muc...
[17:36:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Re:Possible peak secretary reason? - 06The Most Common Job in Each State 1978-2014 - 88 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:36:34] <exec> 08└─The copier, then the printer, then e-mail, have cost millions of secretaries their jobs.
[17:36:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Re:Alternative furniture plan - 06$6,000 Computer Desk Lets You Lie Down While You Work - 120 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:36:59] <exec> 08└─I've read many Wikipedia pages, about animals, major events or cultural features which were a lot shorter than this one.
[17:38:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Must say this. - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 174 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:38:19] <exec> 08└─"Audiophiles" are the ultimate suckers. They take great pride in telling you they are able to tell the difference in sound produced by different hdmi, usb, or speaker cables,
[17:38:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Freeman [732] (Score:2) 02Re:Headquarters? - 06National Geographic, 1888 - 2015 - 48 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:38:34] <exec> 08└─Seriously, where is my "Sad, but true" mod . . .
[17:39:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Wow what a skill - 06Think Fortran and Assembly Programming is Boring and Useless? Tell it to NASA - 74 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:39:53] <exec> 08└─and Fortran does not really lend itself to writing easily maintained code.
[17:40:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:FORTRAN is great, BASIC is great - 06Think Fortran and Assembly Programming is Boring and Useless? Tell it to NASA - 143 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[17:40:08] <exec> 08└─but the minimum feature set demanded by the platforms used by the target audiences keeps expanding and they stopped trying to keep up long ago.
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[18:33:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Tyre - 06Car Tyres Cause 55% of Microplastic Waste, According to Study - 102 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:33:31] <exec> 08└─Wow. That should read "for the pedants." http://dictionary.reference.com [reference.com]
[18:33:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03basicbasicbasic [411] (Score:2) 02Re:Tyre - 06Car Tyres Cause 55% of Microplastic Waste, According to Study - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:33:32] <exec> 08└─I did, and the use of the (non)word "pedantics" is mildly infuriating. I suspect deliberately.
[18:33:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Padantics? - 06Car Tyres Cause 55% of Microplastic Waste, According to Study - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:33:34] <exec> 08└─I think you mean pedants.
[18:33:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03kazzie [5309] (Score:1) 02Padantics? - 06Car Tyres Cause 55% of Microplastic Waste, According to Study - 28 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:33:36] <exec> 08└─I think you meant pedantics.
[18:33:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Detroit working on it... - 06Car Tyres Cause 55% of Microplastic Waste, According to Study - 86 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:33:38] <exec> 08└─Given the current shape of many roads, the metallic wheel should make a comeback soon.
[18:33:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02Heavy Metals Too - 06Car Tyres Cause 55% of Microplastic Waste, According to Study - 210 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:33:39] <exec> 08└─Tires release a large amount of heavy metals into stormwater runoff as well. Copper and Zinc, primarily. Highway runoff can have effluent concentrations that would get private-industry sued out of existance.
[18:33:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score:2) 02I can buy that - 06Car Tyres Cause 55% of Microplastic Waste, According to Study - 374 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:33:41] <exec> 08└─I spent 15 years living next to a freeway (handy hint: if the real estate agent says you'll get used to the noise, they're lying). The surfaces of everything kept getting covered with gritty black dust. I have relatives that live at the end of a dirt road, they didn't get near the dust I got. Dusted...
[18:34:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Tramii [920] (Score:2) 02Re:Shake My Head - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 331 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:34:00] <exec> 08└─To make it harder, it can be astonishingly difficult to get any good information. I've voted having no more information about two opponents than their names and ages. There were no campaign slogans, websites, platforms, newspaper stories, statements, and not even a party affiliation, which is rather...
[18:34:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Shake My Head - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:34:01] <exec> 08└─Voting rates during presidential years is pretty sad. Voting rates during non-presidential years is embarrassing.
[18:34:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Shake My Head - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 12 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:34:08] <exec> 08└─STFU, moron.
[18:34:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Shake My Head - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 177 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:34:16] <exec> 08└─Barking up the wrong tree. It's one thing be weary of government-run outfits, but to ban it as an option in order to protect comcast's and at&t's of the world is beyond moronic.
[18:34:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03urza9814 [3954] (Score:2) 02Re:A sudden attack of sanity? - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 328 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:34:22] <exec> 08└─theoretically government would be the safer choice for better privacy ("third-party doctrine" i believe its called, plus all the NSLs and gag orders and such; remember, our government thinks that giving your info to your private ISP means the constitution doesn't apply anymore), plus a hell of a lot...
[18:34:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02Re:Two cases! - 06Two Cases of Police Misrepresenting Attacks on Them, one to be Ruled a Suicide - 300 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:34:40] <exec> 08└─Cops often talk about how dangerous their job is, implying that this gives them the right to act like assholes Meanwhile, they actively threaten anyone who dares use the rights they are supposed to be protecting: Largest police union has a 'surprise' planned for Quentin Tarantino [ew.com]
[18:34:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02Re:Warez - 06New Android Adware Affects Thousands of Apps - 189 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:34:55] <exec> 08└─...but you're more likely to get a fun extra payload with your warez. True, it did happen. But, the Warez groups are way more ethical than these adware scum so it was a lot less likely.
[18:34:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score:2) 02Meh - 06New Android Adware Affects Thousands of Apps - 412 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:34:58] <exec> 08└─So long as the 'third party repo' isn't F-Droid it isn't a problem I care about. Notice how none of the articles would mention a single 'third party repo'? Modern corporate journalism defined. Playing the Warez game is supposed to hurt though. I just love the idiocy in the article though that tells...
[18:36:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03tibman [134] (Score:2) 02Re:Let's see - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:36:10] <exec> 08└─I may be in violation of four of those this very moment : P
[18:36:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score:2) 02Re:None - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 606 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:36:17] <exec> 08└─Nah. Long before we uninvent everything we will simply be replaced by more sane peoples. And since for Europe the replacement will be Islam they will wipe all memory that Christendom ever existed there, with the one good benefit that the suicidal memes that destroyed Western Civilization should get...
[18:36:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Tork [3914] (Score:2) 02Re:Huh. - 06The Most Common Job in Each State 1978-2014 - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:36:37] <exec> 08└─Not anymore, I'm jammed in neutral. If I could get reverse working again I could go into politics!
[18:36:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:This right here - 06The Most Common Job in Each State 1978-2014 - 37 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:36:46] <exec> 08└─Unless you're driving the beer truck.
[18:36:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Username [4557] (Score:2) 02Primary School Teacher? - 06The Most Common Job in Each State 1978-2014 - 143 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[18:36:55] <exec> 08└─Teachers are paid by the state, and the state gets their money from taxes, which comes from the teachers their paying. How is this sustainable?
[18:36:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Username [4557] (Score:2) 02Re:Primary School Teacher? - 06The Most Common Job in Each State 1978-2014 - 9 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[18:36:57] <exec> 08└─they’re
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[19:33:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Just what we need - 06Chinese-Financed So. California Startup to Challenge Tesla - 141 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:33:28] <exec> 08└─More toy development for the .1% Meanwhile, Oscar Meyer pulls it's weenie out of Madison, Wi thanks to consolidiation between Kraft and Heinz
[19:33:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Just what we need - 06Chinese-Financed So. California Startup to Challenge Tesla - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:33:29] <exec> 08└─More toy development for the .1% We need early-adopters. Computers used to only be toys for the .1% too...
[19:33:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Murdoc [2518] (Score:2) 02Re:Tyre - 06Car Tyres Cause 55% of Microplastic Waste, According to Study - 328 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:33:42] <exec> 08└─I didn't know what "tyre" meant. Usually when there is a normal word with the "i" replaced with a "y", it means that it's some new product on the market, so that's what I thought it was likely to be at first, except that the summary didn't go on to explain what that product was, which is what caused...
[19:33:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Username [4557] (Score:2) 02Re:Padantics? - 06Car Tyres Cause 55% of Microplastic Waste, According to Study - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:33:45] <exec> 08└─I think you mean pendantycs. Pronounced with a silent T and D.
[19:33:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score:2) 02Re:I can buy that - 06Car Tyres Cause 55% of Microplastic Waste, According to Study - 283 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:33:50] <exec> 08└─If you drive the freeways in Miami, there's a fine sticky goo that gets on windshields, etc. over time - very hard to get off. I've been told that this is bits-o-tire that sticks to the glass (and everything else) presumably worse there than elsewhere because of the heat + humidity.
[19:33:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Nuke [3162] (Score:2) 02Re:laws of physics... - 06Out With the Old, in With the New: Telescope Mirrors Get New Shape - 541 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:34:00] <exec> 08└─The circular shape is not essential, but it needs to be parabolic. Whatever, the amount of light collected will be proportional to the mirror area and there is no substitute for that. Make the same area square if you like. Would someone offer to explain why an astromical telescope would have an adva...
[19:34:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Username [4557] (Score:2) 02Glasses - 06Out With the Old, in With the New: Telescope Mirrors Get New Shape - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[19:34:02] <exec> 08└─Neato, but when will I getting glasses that let me see near and far? Get working on that NASA.
[19:34:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score:2) 02Re:Glasses - 06Out With the Old, in With the New: Telescope Mirrors Get New Shape - 126 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:34:04] <exec> 08└─http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/bionic-lenses-make-eyesight-3-times-better-20-20-could-eradicate-glasses-good-1502015 [ibtimes.co.uk]
[19:34:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Tork [3914] (Score:2) 02Re:Shake My Head - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 166 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:34:14] <exec> 08└─I think a good start would be if the general public started firing politicians. A couple of well executed recall elections would go a long way. But... yeah, apathy.
[19:34:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Shake My Head - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 375 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:34:25] <exec> 08└─You, my friend, are wise in that you know that you should have an open mind to be able to further reach greater wisdom. You even stated that your case was lightly represented; an acknowledgement that you may be corrected. You were and you benefited, you indeed did beat the system! You didn't even ha...
[19:34:52] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Anonymous Coward 02Re:Two cases! - 06Two Cases of Police Misrepresenting Attacks on Them, one to be Ruled a Suicide - 35 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:34:52] <exec> 08└─That is completely unproven at best
[19:35:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03bart9h [767] (Score:2) 02F-Droid - 06New Android Adware Affects Thousands of Apps - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:35:15] <exec> 08└─I always search there first, and only go to the Play Store if I don't find a suitable app on F-Droid.
[19:35:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02Re:His Last Words: - 06Immunosuppressed Man Dies of Tapeworm Cancer - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:35:39] <exec> 08└─With all this SystemD nonsense going on this might finally be the Year of the Windows Desktop!
[19:36:08] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03tangomargarine [667] 02Re:Fix it at the source - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 123 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:36:08] <exec> 08└─In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move.
[19:36:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score:2) 02Re:Money and nuclear power? - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 453 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:36:27] <exec> 08└─Without money we don't have division of labor and specialization beyond the limits of simple barter. That means no economics beyond a basic subsistence level. So wipe most of the tech chart since you don't get much beyond thatched houses and perhaps basic blacksmithing. Money is good. Fractional res...
[19:36:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03kazzie [5309] (Score:1) 02Re:None - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:36:34] <exec> 08└─Well that'll make it easier to identify and arrest them.
[19:37:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02Re:Not believabe - 06The Most Common Job in Each State 1978-2014 - 283 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:37:01] <exec> 08└─I don't know why it would be surprising that it would be one of the most common jobs. Washington State has the 9'th AND the 4'th busiest port in the US! (Seattle and Tacoma) Of course there is going to be a lot of cargo/transport jobs. reference [nreionline.com]
[19:37:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Primary School Teacher? - 06The Most Common Job in Each State 1978-2014 - 188 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:37:19] <exec> 08└─1) Teachers get paid shit amounts 2) Everyone getting paid more than teachers subsidizes teachers. It's not some perpetual motion machine, there are plenty of non-teachers to leech off of.
[19:39:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03ngarrang [896] (Score:2) 02Re:It's the staff that are valuable - 06National Geographic, 1888 - 2015 - 699 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:39:09] <exec> 08└─No, they will not follow. The reason NatGeo was being bought is because they were bleeding money from every orifice. It was either be bought, or go out of business. Fewer and fewer people are buying their magazines. Their documentaries cost every more money to produce. For just one moment, stop thin...
[19:40:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score:2) 02Re:Wow what a skill - 06Think Fortran and Assembly Programming is Boring and Useless? Tell it to NASA - 1121 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[19:40:37] <exec> 08└─Maybe it's because BASIC was my first programming language, but I feel like if you can't learn Fortran in your sleep and be reasonably competent inside a week, maybe you should consider a career in something less programmy? I had a "sleeper" of a Fortran class in 1984, then didn't do anything at all...
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[20:33:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score:2) 02Re:Just what we need - 06Chinese-Financed So. California Startup to Challenge Tesla - 900 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:33:32] <exec> 08└─"Computers used to only be toys for the .1% too..." [citation needed] They were never rich people's toys. There were affordable computer kits in the 70's and they were in the $1500 range in today's money. Things were different back then so it's not like every kid had one like ipad and laptops today....
[20:33:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:1) 02Re:Just what we need - 06Chinese-Financed So. California Startup to Challenge Tesla - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:33:33] <exec> 08└─The big iron, mainframes, werent toys you'd find in someone's mansion.
[20:33:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score:2) 02Re:Just what we need - 06Chinese-Financed So. California Startup to Challenge Tesla - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:33:34] <exec> 08└─Sure did. But it was a tool. Not a toy.
[20:33:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score:2) 02Re:Just what we need - 06Chinese-Financed So. California Startup to Challenge Tesla - 594 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:33:36] <exec> 08└─The early 8 bitters were in the $700 range (in 1982 money), and would be $1500 by the time you added bells and whistles like a monitor and 100K floppy drive. My "feel" about 1982 money vs 2015 money is that _most_ things have inflated about 4x in the meanwhile. So, 14 year old me basically spent my...
[20:33:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Just what we need - 06Chinese-Financed So. California Startup to Challenge Tesla - 199 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:33:38] <exec> 08└─And exactly why is that bad? Hi end features normally end up filtering down to the masses, but if nobody develops those high end features in the first place.... Anything constructive is a good thing.
[20:33:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Username [4557] (Score:2) 02Re:Just what we need - 06Chinese-Financed So. California Startup to Challenge Tesla - 144 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:33:40] <exec> 08└─Oh ya, they just lost what little sausage credibility they had by leaving Wisconsin. Not like they even came close to Johnsonville level anyway.
[20:33:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I can buy that - 06Car Tyres Cause 55% of Microplastic Waste, According to Study - 264 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:33:58] <exec> 08└─I suspect you live in an area lacking proper winter? This time of year I am always surprised with the amount of debris that build up only to be obliterated or swept away by the snow and plows. I have wondered how more southerly locales deal with that same problem.
[20:33:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snotnose [1623] (Score:2) 02Re:I can buy that - 06Car Tyres Cause 55% of Microplastic Waste, According to Study - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:33:59] <exec> 08└─I'm in San Diego, my idea of a proper winter is I get to unwrap gifts under a fake tree :)
[20:34:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:I can buy that - 06Car Tyres Cause 55% of Microplastic Waste, According to Study - 19 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:34:01] <exec> 08└─With ethanolfueled?
[20:34:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Covalent [43] (Score:2) 02Added bonus of nastiness - 06Car Tyres Cause 55% of Microplastic Waste, According to Study - 393 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:34:03] <exec> 08└─Tyres (I'm from Michigan, but I'll play along) are about as black as a substance can be made, which means that they absorb all sorts of radiation from space and radiate it as heat, contributing to climate change. Soot is already a major problem: http://www.nature.com
[20:34:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02Re:laws of physics... - 06Out With the Old, in With the New: Telescope Mirrors Get New Shape - 944 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:34:13] <exec> 08└─Parabolic shape is not important either, as long as you have another optic down the line that corrects the aberrations put in by the upstream optics. I think the idea here is that you can have a funky-shaped mirror, then you can follow that with other funky-shaped mirrors to correct and focus the im...
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[20:34:15] <exec> 08└─Axi-symmetric would place the secondary reflector in the field of view, which in turn reduces the quality of the image (e.g. diffraction effects). An asymmetric design could put the secondary off axis more easily - consider a Herschelian reflector as an example ( http://www.telescope-optics.net
[20:34:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02How about a square? - 06Out With the Old, in With the New: Telescope Mirrors Get New Shape - 170 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:34:18] <exec> 08└─Sure is a lot easier to pack a square tube into a car hatchback than a round tube. Also, A circle has about 80% of the area of a similar-width square. So ya, count me in!
[20:34:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03edIII [791] (Score:2) 02Re:Shake My Head - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:34:31] <exec> 08└─Threats of defunding campaigns can be avoided more easily too.
[20:34:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03edIII [791] (Score:2) 02Re:Shake My Head - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 315 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:34:34] <exec> 08└─Convince me that my vote makes any noticeable difference whatsoever in policy, and I'll consider it. The first, and last, time that I actually attempted to vote was for Obama. I learned my lesson. There's no point in giving any energy whatsoever to politics. They're simply the cancer that I must som...
[20:34:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Shake My Head - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:34:36] <exec> 08└─And you deserve what you get, so why are you bitching about it?
[20:35:18] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Thexalon [636] 02Re:Two cases! - 06Two Cases of Police Misrepresenting Attacks on Them, one to be Ruled a Suicide - 277 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:35:18] <exec> 08└─But rather than discussing the situations that pressure cops to be heavy handed in America where they might not be as much in other countries, and what we can do to mitigate that need for them, the "pro cop" "side" seems mostly intent on protecting "good guys" from "bad guys".
[20:35:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score:2) 02Re:Two cases! - 06Two Cases of Police Misrepresenting Attacks on Them, one to be Ruled a Suicide - 182 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:35:22] <exec> 08└─That's a red herring. Cops in America aren't assholes because of guns, if anything the Clive reference above proves the opposite, they are assholes because the job attracts assholes.
[20:35:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03eof [5559] (Score:2) 02Re:Two cases! - 06Two Cases of Police Misrepresenting Attacks on Them, one to be Ruled a Suicide - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:35:24] <exec> 08└─The post is a summary of the Washington Post article that mentions both cases.
[20:36:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:This One's Really Simple - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 261 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:36:16] <exec> 08└─Specifically, usury. There is a very good reason that it was a capital offense to charge interest through the majority of written history. It was considered worse than violent rape as the sexual rapist is sated shortly while the banks are never willing to stop.
[20:36:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:How serious could they be - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:36:23] <exec> 08└─1. I'm anyone. 2. nuclear weapons hasen't killed me. QED or are you claiming I'm not anyone?
[20:36:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Here's three - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 416 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:36:30] <exec> 08└─I agree with your list. It is a good list. We will regret burning all of our oil on moving us around when the price of semiconductors skyrocket for want of an alternative. Powder weapons and nukes seem like obvious choices, but looking at history with a cynical eye, where would our population be wit...
[20:36:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snow [1601] (Score:2) 02Re:Here's three - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:36:31] <exec> 08└─I agree about the ICE. I'd much rather have a jet turbine powered car. They just sound so great!
[20:36:41] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03number6 [1831] 02Tar - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 382 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:36:41] <exec> 08└─Find an alternative material for making sealed roads; something based on natural eco-friendly ubiquitous substances. Also, discourage ownership of cars which need bowling-alley-smooth roads to be driven on. Then, re-architect and re-define what a city and its elements should look like; find a way to...
[20:36:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03mendax [2840] (Score:2) 02Re:Tar - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 186 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:36:44] <exec> 08└─Agreed, especially since an asphalt surface needs to be replaced more often than 20 years. The stretch of I-5 behind my house has been resurfaced twice in the ten years I've lived there.
[20:36:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03mendax [2840] (Score:2) 02Re:Tar - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 964 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:36:50] <exec> 08└─I said with proper maintenance. The surface needs to be ground down to adjust for the shifting slabs, and cracked slabs need to be completely replaced. The stretch of I-80 I was referring to was built right after the end of the war, in 1945, as part of the US 40 expressway between Vallejo and Sacram...
[20:36:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Tar - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:36:57] <exec> 08└─find a way to combine rural self-sufficiency and farming practices with modern urban existence.
[20:37:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:None - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 177 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:37:12] <exec> 08└─Use your soft skills. The question is really asking what technology would you rather not have exist? It is not a practical question but one of insightfulness and personal taste.
[20:37:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:This right here - 06The Most Common Job in Each State 1978-2014 - 150 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:37:40] <exec> 08└─Self driving trucks roaming the streets are significantly further off than 30 years. Try not to set yourself up for another flying car disappointment.
[20:39:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:2) 02Re:''Headphones are for joggers and gym-rats'' - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 264 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:39:01] <exec> 08└─I've not found anthing more comfortable than a pair of Bose QC15s or 25s. Trouble with headphones is you need to wear them for a few hours to determine if they're ok for 2 hours or 20 hours. US airways give out QC15s on their TATL flights, which sold me on a pair.
[20:39:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score:2) 02Re:How to rip off audiophiles - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 563 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:39:16] <exec> 08└─Isotopically pure? That's far from the best! The best audio comes from cables with an isotopic superlattice! The different isotopes form a perfect phononic crystal which can transmit the sound with much less distortion than an isotopically pure cable. But make sure to only buy quality: Not only the...
[20:39:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score:2) 02Re:MP3 fidelity - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 167 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:39:31] <exec> 08└─And always remember to store your music on the right position on the hard disk. Sound quality varies a lot depending on where on the hard disk the audio is stored! ;-)
[20:39:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03VortexCortex [4067] (Score:2) 02Of course, I hear voices. It's called Telepathy. - 06Sennheiser Announces €50,000 Headphones (Not a Typo) - 325 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[20:39:35] <exec> 08└─Meh, audiophiles. Such amateurs. Still interfacing a bunch of complicated expensive crap with the lame old ear drum. Ears are the real signal bottle neck and parts wear out with use. I've upgraded to having audio beamed directly into my brain. [wikipedia.org] Sure, your brain can wear out too, but i...
[20:39:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Good bye National Geographic - 06National Geographic, 1888 - 2015 - 415 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[20:39:56] <exec> 08└─The 2006 version was obviously from a show for very young kids - Elementary School age. The 2007 version was for NatGeo Wild [wikipedia.org], intended to be educational but aimed at general audiences. So I have no problem with either of the narration tracts. I do have a problem with someone taking t...
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[21:33:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03turgid [4318] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Just what we need - 06Chinese-Financed So. California Startup to Challenge Tesla - 327 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:33:42] <exec> 08└─They were never rich people's toys. There were affordable computer kits in the 70's and they were in the $1500 range in today's money. Modern digital computers were invented in the 1940s, 30 years before hobbyist kits became available. They were very expensive and used for matters of national defen...
[21:33:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03LoRdTAW [3755] (Score:2) 02Re:Just what we need - 06Chinese-Financed So. California Startup to Challenge Tesla - 25 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:33:43] <exec> 08└─Right. They weren't toys.
[21:33:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Re:Just what we need - 06Chinese-Financed So. California Startup to Challenge Tesla - 168 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:33:45] <exec> 08└─Tesla is working on a more affordable version, 30-40k which isn't too far past any other new car. Higher end slightly, but certainly not restricted to even the top 10%.
[21:33:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03rickatech [4150] (Score:1) 02Puffery - 06Chinese-Financed So. California Startup to Challenge Tesla - 347 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:33:48] <exec> 08└─Me thinks by riding Elon Musk/Telsa's premium electric car media/innovation/buzz coattails they are able to buy attention to themselves, but will essentially use it to gather a rich man's play money and produce nothing but innocuous prototypes and debt. Other than good validation for Tesla, its hard...
[21:33:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Mere Distraction - 06Chinese-Financed So. California Startup to Challenge Tesla - 217 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:33:50] <exec> 08└─Tesla, Leaf, that Beemer thing, all are cutesy niche car at best. What will make them a genuine mass market transporation choice are: 1. better batteries, 2. charging infrastructure. Till then, it's all hipster crap.
[21:33:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Re:Mere Distraction - 06Chinese-Financed So. California Startup to Challenge Tesla - 514 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:33:52] <exec> 08└─Most people around the world drive less than 20 miles a day. The objections which are commonly raised to electric cars mostly stem from irrational and essentially outdated notions of "my car has to be be able to", as well as the reluctance to setup pay-the-owner distributed charging stations. Anyone...
[21:33:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Mere Distraction - 06Chinese-Financed So. California Startup to Challenge Tesla - 77 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:33:54] <exec> 08└─Most people around the world ride buses and shared vans. You're full of shit.
[21:33:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Leaked photo of chinas electric car... - 06Chinese-Financed So. California Startup to Challenge Tesla - 120 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:33:55] <exec> 08└─http://carhumor.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/car-humor-funny-Wind-Powered-Electric-Car-From-China-1.jpg [carhumor.net]
[21:34:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Shake My Head - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 2474 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:34:44] <exec> 08└─Lobbying can't be banned unless you are prepared to repeal the first amendment. If some interest group can be told to shut up and not talk to their legislator, then so can you. It all comes down to campaign contributions. If that is what you MEANT to blame this on, that makes sense. But to suggest p...
[21:34:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Shake My Head - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:34:48] <exec> 08└─Wow! Edill recommends handing election campaigns over to private corporations. Just Wow! Back on your meds buddy.
[21:34:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Shake My Head - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 435 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:34:51] <exec> 08└─What the fuck kind of state do you people live in anyway? Everywhere I've lived there has been election pamphlets put out by state and county governments giving candidate submitted resumes, history, and platform statements. Its usually published in news papers, and sent to every voter, its also avai...
[21:34:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03edIII [791] (Score:2) 02Re:Shake My Head - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 2204 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:34:56] <exec> 08└─That fact that fucking morons and complete mental failures like you think that voting would do anything anyways, *and* then also denigrate others that refuse to be as deluded as you are. I deserve a shitty country for recognizing the truth? My country is *not* a representative democracy? I bet you w...
[21:35:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) 02Re:Shake My Head - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:35:07] <exec> 08└─Government has no interest in money? This from the same type of person who will advocate that I pay more taxes so the government has to overspend less? Get real.
[21:35:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) 02Re:Shake My Head - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 169 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:35:09] <exec> 08└─It's not a free market if there are protectionist laws. Socialist retards like you refuse to understand that what the US currently has is NOT capitalism. Not even close.
[21:35:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03urza9814 [3954] (Score:2) 02Re:A sudden attack of sanity? - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:35:19] <exec> 08└─I'm still willing to trade in those theoretical benefits for some theoretical improvements in network security...
[21:35:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Warez - 06New Android Adware Affects Thousands of Apps - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:35:56] <exec> 08└─Exactly. user installs an app from a third-party store,
[21:36:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Osamabobama [5842] (Score:1) 02Facdbook, too? - 06New Android Adware Affects Thousands of Apps - 108 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[21:36:02] <exec> 08└─So how exactly is the adware version of Facebook different from the standard version? Is it better or worse?
[21:36:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Ongoing deaths from nukes - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 577 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:36:46] <exec> 08└─Nuclear weapons haven't killed anyone in quite some time They tested nukes in the desert near St. George, Utah. The John Wayne movie "The Conqueror" was filmed there after that. [wikipedia.org] The cast and crew totaled 220 people. By the end of 1980, as ascertained by People magazine, 91 of them h...
[21:36:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Religion != technology - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 156 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:36:56] <exec> 08└─Technology == applied science Religion == believing without proof (or even when there is is scientific proof to the contrary) The 2 are orthogonal. -- gewg_
[21:37:17] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] 02rearchitect the city - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 866 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:37:17] <exec> 08└─While you're on the subject of urban living, how about drastically changing lawn care? How ever did we allow ourselves to be suckered into spending so much time and money on lawns? It's nuts. We have powered lawn mowers, riding lawn mowers, edgers, weed whackers, weed killers, leaf blowers, fertiliz...
[21:37:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Lawns - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 540 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:37:21] <exec> 08└─A great many cities also have restrictions on how high your "lawn" can be and strictly enforce that. As such, you can't use that land to grow food. I really hate waste and this stuff figures prominently on my list. ...and 1 lawnmower per household when 1 per neighborhood would last most of a lifetim...
[21:38:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Change a-comin' - 06The Most Common Job in Each State 1978-2014 - 1358 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:38:02] <exec> 08└─I don't believe it. It is safe to say you have never had a delivery job. We are a couple generations from that sort of work being automated. At best we might have automated vehicles that drive workers places so they can unload their wares. Think about an average food delivery driver. Not pizza deliv...
[21:41:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Wow... okay... - 06Trans-Pacific Partnership Text Released - 93 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[21:41:07] <exec> 08└─Now the TPP comes, and i think "WE'RE SURROUNDED BY NAZI'S", and who will stand up for ME?!?!
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[22:33:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02wtf? - 06Pentagon may be Deciding Norwegian Negotiating Position on Internet Governance - 56 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:33:40] <exec> 08└─Can someone summarize for me what the summary is saying?
[22:33:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:1) 02Re:wtf? - 06Pentagon may be Deciding Norwegian Negotiating Position on Internet Governance - 374 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:33:41] <exec> 08└─It's the exciting saga of a Norwegian citizen trying to get a three and a half year old Norwegian trade negotiation document presented to a NATO meeting and being repeatedly rebuffed by the Norwegian government authorities involved. He now asks if someone has access to this document. The title (come...
[22:33:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:wtf? - 06Pentagon may be Deciding Norwegian Negotiating Position on Internet Governance - 24 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:33:43] <exec> 08└─Must be a slow news day.
[22:33:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03turgid [4318] (Score:2) 02Re:Just what we need - 06Chinese-Financed So. California Startup to Challenge Tesla - 129 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:33:59] <exec> 08└─I dare say that if I'd been very rich and crazy in those days I'd have tried to buy one... Or build one in my secret dungeon lab.
[22:34:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Just what we need - 06Chinese-Financed So. California Startup to Challenge Tesla - 156 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:34:01] <exec> 08└─From the article is planning a $1-billion factory that will churn out the next luxury electric car. So yeah spot on comment. These are intended to be toys.
[22:34:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Mere Distraction - 06Chinese-Financed So. California Startup to Challenge Tesla - 688 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:34:08] <exec> 08└─I too drive less than 20 a day. An electric would probably serve me well *for that exact purpose*. Only it fails when I want to visit my parents or my wife's parents. We drive. That is 1200+ miles for each trip (each way). I gave up flying a few years ago. So there you go. I am not alone in doing th...
[22:34:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Username [4557] (Score:2) 02Simple Car - 06Chinese-Financed So. California Startup to Challenge Tesla - 982 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:34:11] <exec> 08└─What they need to make is a very simple electric sedan. One that has: - analog volt meter, speedometer/odometer with 1MPH ticks, and engine thermometer (contrary to popular belief electric motors and batteries get hot) - dedicated headlights switch - dedicated hvac power pot, rotatory swit...
[22:34:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Padantics? - 06Car Tyres Cause 55% of Microplastic Waste, According to Study - 33 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:34:28] <exec> 08└─Don't you ever get tyred of this?
[22:34:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Padantics? - 06Car Tyres Cause 55% of Microplastic Waste, According to Study - 13 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:34:29] <exec> 08└─No, pendants.
[22:34:31] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] 02Heavy Metals Too - 06Car Tyres Cause 55% of Microplastic Waste, According to Study - 210 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:34:31] <exec> 08└─Tires release a large amount of heavy metals into stormwater runoff as well. Copper and Zinc, primarily. Highway runoff can have effluent concentrations that would get private-industry sued out of existance.
[22:34:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Added bonus of nastiness - 06Car Tyres Cause 55% of Microplastic Waste, According to Study - 304 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:34:39] <exec> 08└─Agreed. Tyres are very difficult to get rid of, including burning them (yuck). Some are chopped up and used in roadways and as fillers for playgrounds, but even that process results in bits of tyres getting into the waterways and oceans. It's about as bad as nuclear waste. Shoot them to the sun to b...
[22:34:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Zinho [759] (Score:2) 02Same thing, actually - 06Car Tyres Cause 55% of Microplastic Waste, According to Study - 298 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:34:41] <exec> 08└─All of the black in care tires comes from Carbon black (i.e. soot) added to the rubber. The rubber by itself is a translucent tan. [google.com] By the time the rubber is floating in the ocean as monomolecular bits the carbon black is released and contributing to global warming on its own, as soot.
[22:34:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02It might even be 100%... - 06Car Tyres Cause 55% of Microplastic Waste, According to Study - 74 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:34:43] <exec> 08└─And nobody could do nothing. Because the car is the holy cow of the 1900s.
[22:35:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03edIII [791] (Score:2) 02Re:Shake My Head - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 1080 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:35:14] <exec> 08└─So you want government run CDN networks and media software? Paying private industry a decent rate to provide free political coverage anonymously to every citizen does cost something in terms of R&D and then operating costs. We pay Microsoft for licenses. Do you want to say something about that? All...
[22:35:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Shake My Head - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 1029 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:35:15] <exec> 08└─Who precisely said anything about Government Run CDN networks!??? Stop putting words in my mouth. Netflix is not a free service. It is only open to people who pay and also have some sort of broadband. Youtube is free. But you still need broadband. Why would you pick any single private company to FOR...
[22:35:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) 02Re:Shake My Head - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 531 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:35:32] <exec> 08└─A simpler solution would be require they build that last mile if they want to operate in your state. Frankly though, none of the telecom mergers should ever have been allowed after deregulation. That and requiring either two competitors or regulation would solve the problem. The government's job in...
[22:35:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Shake My Head - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 36 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:35:35] <exec> 08└─Government has no interest in money?
[22:35:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) 02Re:Shake My Head - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 100 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:35:37] <exec> 08└─Absolutely true when there is little or no competition. Then you regulate until competition arrives.
[22:35:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Shake My Head - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 518 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:35:41] <exec> 08└─Crony capitalism is still capitalism. And despite your implication, capitalism does not require nor produce free markets, nor are they really related in any way. The only way free markets can exist is if there are regulations to ensure the markets remain free. Free markets are more likely to exist i...
[22:35:44] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03Chromium_One [4574] 02A sudden attack of sanity? - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 568 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:35:45] <exec> 08└─Municipal broadband, treated as a utility, may be the only way to get decent service anywhere that's not hobbled by spying (cable ISPs doing tracking because you might torrent their shows), hobbling of VOD services (again, cable providers because COMPETITION) or more spying (Google, for better targe...
[22:35:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03NotSanguine [285] (Score:2) 02Re:A sudden attack of sanity? - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:35:52] <exec> 08└─I'm still willing to trade in those theoretical benefits for some theoretical improvements in network security...
[22:36:14] <exec> 08*** score 5 comment: 03hemocyanin [186] 02Re:Two cases! - 06Two Cases of Police Misrepresenting Attacks on Them, one to be Ruled a Suicide - 182 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:36:14] <exec> 08└─That's a red herring. Cops in America aren't assholes because of guns, if anything the Clive reference above proves the opposite, they are assholes because the job attracts assholes.
[22:37:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Here's three - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:37:26] <exec> 08└─That's still an internal combustion engine. You want a Steam powered car. (which, incidentally, could be nuclear)
[22:37:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03maxwell demon [1608] (Score:2) 02Re:Tar - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 41 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:37:45] <exec> 08└─You're using a pen to type your comments?
[22:37:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Lawns - 06What Technology Should Be Un-Invented? - 480 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:37:53] <exec> 08└─"One of my un-invent-it technologies is the leaf blower. It doesn't actually clean anything (as was done with rakes and brooms in previous generations). It just makes the mess someone else's problem." Yes and yes.... Leaves in the drainage system just clog it up. When they get to the rivers it turns...
[22:38:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03TrumpetPower! [590] (Score:2) 02Re:Change a-comin' - 06The Most Common Job in Each State 1978-2014 - 306 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:38:35] <exec> 08└─Amazon's warehouses are already mostly automated. Making local storehouses and delivery truck interiors follow Amazon's pattern will be trivial. Plus, Amazon itself is generally rendering retail redundant in the first place; Amazon is already automating out of existence those minimum-wage Walmart jo...
[22:38:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03That_Dude [2503] (Score:2) 02Re:Really... - 06$6,000 Computer Desk Lets You Lie Down While You Work - 8 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:38:53] <exec> 08└─Awesome!
[22:39:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The simple facts... - 06More Trouble at VW - 420 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:39:28] <exec> 08└─If they didn't do this, they would go full lean. The problem would be if they went PAST stoichiometric for that CFM. For instance, I have an old car. '79 chevy. 350 gen I block, 4 barrel Quadrajet. I need tailpipe emissions tested annually. At idle (775 RPM +/-) and at 2500 RPM (+/-) All measurement...
[22:41:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Balance - 06Trans-Pacific Partnership Text Released - 2480 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:41:46] <exec> 08└─"We must never accept something that violates our fundamental liberties and principles" Sorry to tell you, america has been doing that for her entire history as a country. The constitution and rule of law and the free market is myth for the masses. Our brains are much worse at reality and thinking t...
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[23:33:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:1) 02"Climate Change" - 06NY Attorney General Investigating ExxonMobil Over "Climate Change Lies" - 118 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:33:31] <exec> 08└─After "Terrorism," the next big government grab of rights and money..."Climate Change." I wonder what it will be next?
[23:33:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:"Climate Change" - 06NY Attorney General Investigating ExxonMobil Over "Climate Change Lies" - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:33:32] <exec> 08└─It's those jack-booted Federal agents knocking on our doors and demanding our guns, just like they warned us!
[23:33:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:"Climate Change" - 06NY Attorney General Investigating ExxonMobil Over "Climate Change Lies" - 37 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:33:34] <exec> 08└─"Dey took 'ur guns!" (took 'ur guns!)
[23:33:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Re:"Climate Change" - 06NY Attorney General Investigating ExxonMobil Over "Climate Change Lies" - 260 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:33:36] <exec> 08└─You forgot "financial system bailout", and the renewed interest in being ready for WWIII against both Russia and China (because Iran is not big enough). But, really, nothing gets even close to the ongoing April 15th "fair contribution to your government" scam.
[23:33:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Tork [3914] (Score:2) 02Re:"Climate Change" - 06NY Attorney General Investigating ExxonMobil Over "Climate Change Lies" - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:33:37] <exec> 08└─Rush will hold off on telling you that until a democrat wins an election.
[23:33:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:2, Insightful) 02no evidence of wrongdoing - 06NY Attorney General Investigating ExxonMobil Over "Climate Change Lies" - 802 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:33:39] <exec> 08└─Notice how the story or its links fail to show any evidence of wrong doing. The NYT has this to say: In the 1950s and ’60s, tobacco companies financed internal research showing tobacco to be harmful and addictive, but mounted a public campaign that said otherwise and helped fund scientific researc...
[23:33:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02if she weighs the same as a duck.... burn her!!!!! - 06NY Attorney General Investigating ExxonMobil Over "Climate Change Lies" - 362 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:33:41] <exec> 08└─didn't realize that exxon-mobil was charged with studying and alerting the public to the risks of climate change i thought they were in the oil business when the bureaucrats give up gas guzzling cars, plastics, and anything else made from petroleum products, all the oil companies can drop their tool...
[23:33:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Waste of Time and Money - 06NY Attorney General Investigating ExxonMobil Over "Climate Change Lies" - 122 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:33:42] <exec> 08└─We saw those leaked documents a big deal was made of on here a few months ago. There was nothing in there at all, nothing.
[23:33:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02cigarettes cause cancer? - 06NY Attorney General Investigating ExxonMobil Over "Climate Change Lies" - 10 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:33:44] <exec> 08└─they lied?
[23:33:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03edIII [791] (Score:2) 02Re:wtf? - 06Pentagon may be Deciding Norwegian Negotiating Position on Internet Governance - 298 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:33:52] <exec> 08└─I can't even figure out what the Pentagon's move would have been, or why. I'd need to understand a reason why the Pentagon would choose Norway (of all countries) to be pushing an Internet based agenda before I believed in a scandal. That would seem to be the province of politicians and Presidents.
[23:34:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Johnsonville? - 06Chinese-Financed So. California Startup to Challenge Tesla - 103 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:34:12] <exec> 08└─https://enchantedamerica.wordpress.com/2014/07/29/usingers-famous-sausage-milwaukee-wi/ [wordpress.com]
[23:34:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bobs [1462] (Score:1) 02Re:Simple Car - 06Chinese-Financed So. California Startup to Challenge Tesla - 59 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:34:20] <exec> 08└─What they need to make is a very simple electric sedan. ...
[23:34:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Simple Car - 06Chinese-Financed So. California Startup to Challenge Tesla - 187 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:34:22] <exec> 08└─As far as In know the NiMH battery patents either have or will soon expire. They are heavier than Li-ion, but you can run them a little harder (ie: use 15%-20% reserve instead of 30%-40%)
[23:34:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03BeaverCleaver [5841] (Score:1) 02Not plastic bags though - 06Car Tyres Cause 55% of Microplastic Waste, According to Study - 372 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:34:52] <exec> 08└─I see that plastic bags aren't on the list. Yes, they are a source of litter. No, they are not accumulating in some giant pacific trash pile. Yes, feel-good legislation (supported by supermarkets, who are thrilled that they can now charge for something they used to give away for free) is merely a di...
[23:35:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02''Even the whack-job candidates get included'' - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 278 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:35:30] <exec> 08└─In California, we get a Sample Ballot in booklet form. The last part has Statements of ______ candidates seeking ______ office where the statements of *some* candidates can be found. Why just *some* candidates? It costs $25 per word. [google.com] Ain't Democracy great? -- gewg_
[23:36:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03tathra [3367] (Score:2) 02Re:A sudden attack of sanity? - 06Colorado Voters Abolish Ban on Government-Owned Broadband - 631 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:36:04] <exec> 08└─personally i think the way to go is to have a government-run service providing the basic level of broadband (which would be significantly faster than the services available now), such that everyone will have internet, because its basically required to live in today's society, and then have private I...
[23:39:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03fritsd [4586] (Score:2) 02Re:Alternative furniture plan - 06$6,000 Computer Desk Lets You Lie Down While You Work - 78 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:39:12] <exec> 08└─Heh, maybe the person who wrote that wiki article had an IBM keyboard, too :-)
[23:41:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03bug1 [5243] (Score:1) 02GPL will be unusable - 06Trans-Pacific Partnership Text Released - 439 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:41:59] <exec> 08└─Article 14.17: Source Code 1. "No Party shall require the transfer of, or access to, source code of software owned by a person of another Party, as a condition for the import, distribution, sale or use of such software, or of products containing such software, in its territory." (summery) 2. Only ap...
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