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[22:51:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03skullz [2532] (Score:2) 02Cool! - 06The Mystery of Why It's Impossible to Pull Apart Interleaved Phone Books - Solved - 190 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:51:49] <exec> 08└─15 years after they were obsolete and 5 years after people got mad about all the dead trees to produce, the answer is solved! Thank you, Science People! One less thing to fret about at 2 am.
[22:51:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02Re:Cool! - 06The Mystery of Why It's Impossible to Pull Apart Interleaved Phone Books - Solved - 268 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:51:51] <exec> 08└─This is being driven by the need to understand the structure and behaviour of new micro and nano-engineered materials, which have impact on many aspects of life from medical applications to solar cells. Besides, chinese finger-traps are still just as relevant as ever.
[22:51:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Offtopic) 02Phones are for cows - 06The Mystery of Why It's Impossible to Pull Apart Interleaved Phone Books - Solved - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:51:52] <exec> 08└─I just saw you and I'm so lazy. Here's my number! Call me moooooooooooooobe.
[22:51:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02potential application For Freedom - 06The Mystery of Why It's Impossible to Pull Apart Interleaved Phone Books - Solved - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:51:54] <exec> 08└─When reproduced this effect can be used to enclose Free Speech Zones with deceptively impenetrable fences to keep the peons in their place.
[22:51:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:potential application For Freedom - 06The Mystery of Why It's Impossible to Pull Apart Interleaved Phone Books - Solved - 209 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:51:56] <exec> 08└─They'll fail. You know... "information wants to be free" and all that jazz; besides the phone books are replaced by apps for tablets - good lock... errr.... I mean, good luck interleaving those tablets. (grin)
[22:51:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:potential application For Freedom - 06The Mystery of Why It's Impossible to Pull Apart Interleaved Phone Books - Solved - 130 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:51:57] <exec> 08└─You're missing the point! which is to make deceptively strong fences out of paper! Think of the Chinese Finger Trap in fence form.
[22:51:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:potential application For Freedom - 06The Mystery of Why It's Impossible to Pull Apart Interleaved Phone Books - Solved - 43 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:51:59] <exec> 08└─You are missing the point [soylentnews.org]
[22:52:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:potential application For Freedom - 06The Mystery of Why It's Impossible to Pull Apart Interleaved Phone Books - Solved - 44 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:52:01] <exec> 08└─Gretchen, stop trying to make (grin) happen.
[22:52:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:potential application For Freedom - 06The Mystery of Why It's Impossible to Pull Apart Interleaved Phone Books - Solved - 45 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:52:02] <exec> 08└─Gretchen*, stop trying to make (grin) happen.
[22:52:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Next on Mythbusters... - 06The Mystery of Why It's Impossible to Pull Apart Interleaved Phone Books - Solved - 405 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:52:04] <exec> 08└─Adam and Jamie try to separate two phone books by hand, fail, then ponder which of "two 18-wheelers" or "lots of C4" for separation would make the best slow-mo replay. Meanwhile the NSA is pretty certain that once linked, phone books stored in their database have no reasons to be ever separated... M...
[22:52:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Freeman [732] (Score:2) 02Re:Next on Mythbusters... - 06The Mystery of Why It's Impossible to Pull Apart Interleaved Phone Books - Solved - 155 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:52:06] <exec> 08└─Too late. They already did that one . . . see Youtube for the low down on "Phone Book Friction". https://www.youtube.com [youtube.com]
[22:52:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Freeman [732] (Score:2) 02Crazy people haven't heard of Mythbusters - 06The Mystery of Why It's Impossible to Pull Apart Interleaved Phone Books - Solved - 138 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:52:08] <exec> 08└─The Mythbusters have already tackled this beast and it took a mere 8,000 lbs of force to pull them apart. It's a very interesting episode.
[22:52:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Troll) 02Pecker Cushion is for cows - 06Peter Cushing to be Digitally Recreated for Star Wars: Rogue One - 124 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:52:11] <exec> 08└─Say moo you cow while I ram my big bull cock into you. Moooooooooooooo. Moooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. Take it, you cow!
[22:52:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02*That*'s what is wrong - 06Peter Cushing to be Digitally Recreated for Star Wars: Rogue One - 132 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:52:13] <exec> 08└─With the power of CGI, Tarkin/Cushing can be made to leap over railings, dodge blaster fire in mid-air, and high five Jar Jar Binks.
[22:52:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gravis [4596] (Score:2) 02Re:*That*'s what is wrong - 06Peter Cushing to be Digitally Recreated for Star Wars: Rogue One - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:52:14] <exec> 08└─Wrong and evil. But... feasible, therefore I'll have yet another thing to ignore in this world.
[22:52:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:*That*'s what is wrong - 06Peter Cushing to be Digitally Recreated for Star Wars: Rogue One - 155 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:52:16] <exec> 08└─If your standard for "good movie" is "people would pay to see it" then how exactly are you morally superior to the kitten-drowning puppy-killers at Disney?
[22:52:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:*That*'s what is wrong - 06Peter Cushing to be Digitally Recreated for Star Wars: Rogue One - 86 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:52:18] <exec> 08└─I admire you: past a certain age but still maintaining a bit of the childhood naivety.
[22:52:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:*That*'s what is wrong - 06Peter Cushing to be Digitally Recreated for Star Wars: Rogue One - 106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:52:20] <exec> 08└─Disney on the other hand would drown puppies and kittens if people could be tricked into paying to see it.
[22:52:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:2) 02A quote from another sci-fi franchise - 06Peter Cushing to be Digitally Recreated for Star Wars: Rogue One - 125 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:52:21] <exec> 08└─“Let us redefine progress to mean that just because we can do a thing, it does not necessarily mean we must do that thing."
[22:52:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03SunTzuWarmaster [3971] (Score:2, Interesting) 02Re:A quote from another sci-fi franchise - 06Peter Cushing to be Digitally Recreated for Star Wars: Rogue One - 201 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:52:23] <exec> 08└─http://pre03.deviantart.net/84fc/th/pre/f/2012/275/5/4/we_do_what_we_must_because_we_can_by_madman32395-d5gnb2i.png [deviantart.net] "We do what we must, because we can" - the motto of Aperture Science
[22:52:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Episode III view? - 06Peter Cushing to be Digitally Recreated for Star Wars: Rogue One - 196 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:52:25] <exec> 08└─I could be wrong, but wasn't there a scene at the very end of Episode III that had an Imperial officer walking away from Vader that was supposed to be Tarkin? OK, I'll turn in my geek card now....
[22:52:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Episode III view? - 06Peter Cushing to be Digitally Recreated for Star Wars: Rogue One - 22 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:52:27] <exec> 08└─Yeap, there was indeed
[22:52:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:2) 02Re:Episode III view? - 06Peter Cushing to be Digitally Recreated for Star Wars: Rogue One - 287 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:52:29] <exec> 08└─Yes, it was supposed to be Tarkin, but it was actually actor Wayne Pygram (best known to international audiences as Scorpius in Farscape) under prosthetics that just made him look like... a guy with prosthetics on his face. He looked more like the lovechild of Scorpius and Odo from DS9.
[22:52:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Mr Big in the Pants [4956] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Why movies cost so much more than they need to... - 06Peter Cushing to be Digitally Recreated for Star Wars: Rogue One - 535 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:52:30] <exec> 08└─"CGI technicians have been particularly challenged in recreating his legs and feet, because they never appeared on camera in the original film." Seriously?! A fictional character that appears briefly in a movie needs super accurate renderings of his feet (that never appeared in the movie) and would...
[22:52:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score:4, Funny) 02Re:Why movies cost so much more than they need to. - 06Peter Cushing to be Digitally Recreated for Star Wars: Rogue One - 399 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:52:32] <exec> 08└─God, can't you just be pandered to in exchange for money like a good little nerd? There's some poor sap in a PR department reviewing all the boring crap Disney employees are doing to see what might trick you into seeing Star Wars again after the last 3 excretions if it were presented as "cool" enoug...
[22:52:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Mr Big in the Pants [4956] (Score:3, Funny) 02Re:Why movies cost so much more than they need to. - 06Peter Cushing to be Digitally Recreated for Star Wars: Rogue One - 172 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:52:34] <exec> 08└─If you have accepted me as your god (as is only fitting) then I am demanding tribute: 10% tithe. And unlike the other ones I will actually answer your questions for that...
[22:52:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Why movies cost so much more than they need to. - 06Peter Cushing to be Digitally Recreated for Star Wars: Rogue One - 37 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:52:36] <exec> 08└─Yes, Lorde. I want to join your Team.
[22:52:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:2) 02Nerd corrections - 06Peter Cushing to be Digitally Recreated for Star Wars: Rogue One - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:52:37] <exec> 08└─Cushing starred in many of the Hammer Horror films with Christopher Lee, including Dracula and Dr Frankenstein
[22:52:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Bad - 06Peter Cushing to be Digitally Recreated for Star Wars: Rogue One - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:52:39] <exec> 08└─Boooo! Booo! Not cool, man. Not cool. Why didn't they just let Wayne Pygram reprise the role from Episode III?
[22:52:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03f4r [4515] (Score:2) 02Why the fuss over his feet? - 06Peter Cushing to be Digitally Recreated for Star Wars: Rogue One - 225 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:52:41] <exec> 08└─If his feet never appeared on camera, couldn't they just use someone with a similar build/body shape, and model generic feet from that? Since his feet never appeared on camera, there is no canon foot to dispute anyway, right?
[22:52:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Tempted - 06Company of Heroes 2 for Linux Comes Out Today - 692 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:52:42] <exec> 08└─I'm not a gamer. Only occasionally do I play games at all. But - this sounds interesting. Question is, do I want to open a Steam account just to see whether I like it? Maybe it's just curiosity. My graphics card exceeds all of my needs, by quite a long shot. Maybe I should test it, just to see what...
[22:52:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03dyingtolive [952] (Score:2) 02Re:Tempted - 06Company of Heroes 2 for Linux Comes Out Today - 265 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:52:44] <exec> 08└─Honestly, I found it disappointing compared to the first one. A 630 could probably drive it though on low-medium graphics settings. I have a 550 and it ran nicely IIRC. Of course, my experiences were in Windows when the game first came out, what, a year or two ago.
[22:52:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:Tempted - 06Company of Heroes 2 for Linux Comes Out Today - 1389 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:52:46] <exec> 08└─My advice: reconsider. Long story: about 5 years ago, I tried Steam (from a Windows machine). Spent some change, got bored of the game quality (or maybe got too old for gamin'), left my account there. Yesterday, I received an email from Steam telling me some Russian IP tried to login, so I should ch...
[22:52:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03gman003 [4155] (Score:2) 02Re:Tempted - 06Company of Heroes 2 for Linux Comes Out Today - 1814 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:52:48] <exec> 08└─They have always required use of the Steam Client to actually launch games. They have a URL protocol such that a browser link can call the Steam Client to launch a game, but it still goes through the Steam Client, and it always has. The "check which computer is being used to access your account" thi...
[22:52:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaganar [605] (Score:2) 02Per-platform multiplayer... - 06Company of Heroes 2 for Linux Comes Out Today - 619 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:52:49] <exec> 08└─Company of Heroes 2 uses a deterministic engine, and relies on clients to generate the same outcome for all gameplay-relevant calculations, like pathfinding, unit positions, spawns and combat. .... During development, cross-platform multiplayer was absolutely one of our goals and we invested countle...
[22:52:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gravis [4596] (Score:4, Informative) 02Re:Per-platform multiplayer... - 06Company of Heroes 2 for Linux Comes Out Today - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:52:51] <exec> 08└─I'm trying to imagine what's left that would have made the simulation engine vary across operating systems...
[22:52:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03kaganar [605] (Score:2) 02Re:Per-platform multiplayer... - 06Company of Heroes 2 for Linux Comes Out Today - 49 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:52:53] <exec> 08└─you know... you could have just clicked the link.
[22:52:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02Re:Per-platform multiplayer... - 06Company of Heroes 2 for Linux Comes Out Today - 337 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:52:54] <exec> 08└─Requiring all participants in a multiplayer game to perform identical calculations in sync is simply a terrible design, and it's not surprising that they failed to make it portable. I suspect that even when everyone runs the same build in similar environments, they will occasionally desync, although...
[22:52:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03CoolHand [438] (Score:2) 02other big news game - 06Company of Heroes 2 for Linux Comes Out Today - 178 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:52:56] <exec> 08└─Arma 3 beta "trial".. If it does well, it will come out.. http://www.gamingonlinux.com [gamingonlinux.com]
[22:52:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03unzombied [4572] (Score:1) 02Soyvertisement or ... - 06Company of Heroes 2 for Linux Comes Out Today - 15 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:52:58] <exec> 08└─Soylentisement?
[22:52:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03GlennC [3656] (Score:2) 02Re:Soyvertisement or ... - 06Company of Heroes 2 for Linux Comes Out Today - 196 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:53:00] <exec> 08└─I think "Soyvertisment" has a better ring to it. As an aside, I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with a Soylentil letting the rest of us know of a new product that may be of interest.
[22:53:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Funny) 02Yeah - 06The Internet Backbone - 57 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:53:02] <exec> 08└─I've got one of them subarus, and it steers like a truck.
[22:53:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Snow [1601] (Score:2) 02Re:Yeah - 06The Internet Backbone - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:53:03] <exec> 08└─You bought a Baja? https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org] I'm so sorry...
[22:53:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03MrGuy [1007] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Why on earth - 06The Internet Backbone - 255 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:53:05] <exec> 08└─is this one story and not two? I guess maybe it was submitted that way, but do we not edit anymore? How are these two items (the story of a ship that lays transatlantic cables, and a basic internet protocol that might be open to exploit) remotely related?
[22:53:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Why on earth - 06The Internet Backbone - 122 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:53:07] <exec> 08└─By the magic of "Speaking of backbones", which a valid literary device, but not conducive to a highly coherent discussion.
[22:53:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Want to be further baffled? The THIRD story here! - 06The Internet Backbone - 811 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:53:09] <exec> 08└─http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/undersea-cable-network-operates-in-a-state-of-alarm-excerpt/ [scientificamerican.com] In short - the "standards" aren't standard at all, and the system is held together by voodoo, black magic, and blind faith. "Operating undersea networks requires this kind...
[22:53:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:Why on earth - 06The Internet Backbone - 47 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:53:10] <exec> 08└─Why on earth ... is this one story and not two?
[22:53:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02No idea - 06The Internet Backbone - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:53:12] <exec> 08└─I have no idea what this post is about.
[22:53:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:4, Informative) 02laid and... what? - 06The Internet Backbone - 415 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:53:14] <exec> 08└─What's with that puny article about how the undersea cables are laid, that's all you could get? A short googling and you can get much better ones [quora.com], which include photos of cables and equipment, plus surprising info: like the fact that modern cable laying ships can do 200 miles of laid cab...
[22:53:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03redneckmother [3597] (Score:1) 02Re:laid and... what? - 06The Internet Backbone - 169 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:53:16] <exec> 08└─... not only that, but the link you provided (thanks!) shows that the actual fibers are encased in petroleum jelly. One supposes that K-Y would not be a good substitute.
[22:53:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:laid and... what? - 06The Internet Backbone - 232 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:53:17] <exec> 08└─Thanks, your link is clearly much better, since it leads to an actual web page, with text one can read. The link on the OP, on the other hand, only leads to this bullshit: Sorry, but your browser needs Javascript to use this site.
[22:53:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03jdavidb [5690] (Score:2) 02Buried - 06The Internet Backbone - 216 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:53:19] <exec> 08└─I'm getting the sense that "buried" is sort of a misnomer here. Where do the cables end up? On the ocean floor? Buried under the ocean floor? Or suspended under the ocean surface at some height above the ocean floor?
[22:53:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:Buried - 06The Internet Backbone - 710 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:53:21] <exec> 08└─Buried, under the ocean floor. Cable operators tend to get sullen whenever a fishing boat drags their cable around, or a ship's anchor snags it. In deep water (more than a thousand feet) it isn't a frequent problem, but at shallower depths, even small boats can hang an anchor on a cable. No, they ce...
[22:53:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Buried - 06The Internet Backbone - 1181 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:53:22] <exec> 08└─Buried, usually by a plough [kis-orca.eu] (linked has a photo of one; or you may want just to google for another [google.com]). In water depths up to approximately 2,000 metres, the cables may be buried in a narrow (<1 m wide) trench cut by water jet or plough. ... If it is planned to plough bury th...
[22:53:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:3, Informative) 02more rpi - 06DIY Raspberry Pi 2 10-inch Portable Desktop - 85 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:53:24] <exec> 08└─The Raspberry Pi is succeeding in ways its makers almost imagined [theregister.co.uk]
[22:53:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Tramii [920] (Score:4, Funny) 02Great project... for the rich - 06DIY Raspberry Pi 2 10-inch Portable Desktop - 738 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:53:26] <exec> 08└─1 x HDMI 4 Pi - 10.1" Display $144.95 Raspberry Pi 2 - Model B $39.95 2 x PowerBoost 1000 Charger $39.90 2 x Lithium Ion Battery Pack ...
[22:53:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Great project... for the rich - 06DIY Raspberry Pi 2 10-inch Portable Desktop - 33 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:53:27] <exec> 08└─USe a 3d printer at a hackerspace
[22:53:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02Re:Great project... for the rich - 06DIY Raspberry Pi 2 10-inch Portable Desktop - 2063 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:53:29] <exec> 08└─When I was a young sprout, I spent some time working for Dahlgren Engraving Company, of San Francisco. Dahlgren's innovation was to mount a rotating cutter to an X-Y offset mechanism so that he could position his cutter head at any location on an X-Y grid. He then added a computer (we're talking CP/...
[22:53:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Great project... for the rich (FTFY, RANT tags) - 06DIY Raspberry Pi 2 10-inch Portable Desktop - 967 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:53:31] <exec> 08└─Naturally, this would need to be at my own expense - the current government would prefer to see intelligent and productive people wither and die on unemployment, or welfare, rather than see them provided with a safety net that allowed continuing education and investment in the fundamental infrastruc...
[22:53:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03richtopia [3160] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:Great project... for the rich - 06DIY Raspberry Pi 2 10-inch Portable Desktop - 178 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:53:33] <exec> 08└─"no compromises in cost" If your going to do it right, mind as well spend the money. Now I can have nice hardware stuck in a crappy plastic box, and a spare 3D printer left over!
[22:53:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheGratefulNet [659] (Score:2) 02Re:Great project... for the rich - 06DIY Raspberry Pi 2 10-inch Portable Desktop - 772 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:53:34] <exec> 08└─no reason to waste time and money on 3d printing. laser cutting is much cheaper and can do the same kind of work (more or less), without the oops and gotchas that 3d printers (cheaper ones) have. you can't just print and walk away; things often go wrong in 3d printing and you are now out time and ma...
[22:53:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score:2) 02Re:Great project... for the rich - 06DIY Raspberry Pi 2 10-inch Portable Desktop - 129 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:53:36] <exec> 08└─At least it's stealing some of the Arduino mindshare... the more people we can move off of Arduino into Raspberry Pi, the better.
[22:53:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score:2) 02Re:Great project... for the rich - 06DIY Raspberry Pi 2 10-inch Portable Desktop - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:53:38] <exec> 08└─the more people we can move off of Arduino into Raspberry Pi
[22:53:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03morgauxo [2082] (Score:1, Flamebait) 02Re:Great project... for the rich - 06DIY Raspberry Pi 2 10-inch Portable Desktop - 1407 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:53:40] <exec> 08└─99% of what population doesn't have access to a 3d printer? If you don't own your own you can use one at a local hackerspace. Is there no local hackerspace for you? Before you say so I'd like to point out that if you actually want a thing you should be willing to travel a bit. If your entire world r...
[22:53:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Marand [1081] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Great project... for the rich - 06DIY Raspberry Pi 2 10-inch Portable Desktop - 545 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:53:41] <exec> 08└─I'll get downmodded for this because it's off-topic, but damn, the tone of your post makes me really wish we had a "smug douchebag" mod. It's a perfect example of how not to make a point. You might be right with your basic premise, but the way you presented it is terrible. You're making a lot of ass...
[22:53:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:Great project... for the rich - 06DIY Raspberry Pi 2 10-inch Portable Desktop - 470 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:53:43] <exec> 08└─You could make the case with flat sheets of plastic, a Dremel, a hobby knife, some files, sandpaper and adhesive. If you don't want plastic, you could use wood - birch plywood sheets for example. Or aluminum sheets. Sheet steel would work. Or a combination of those. Hand-made computer cases are old...
[22:53:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Re:Great project... for the rich - 06DIY Raspberry Pi 2 10-inch Portable Desktop - 300 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:53:45] <exec> 08└─That case is not that hard to make by hand. They used a 3D printer because they have them handy and it also helps to sell them, but a Dremel and some patience will get the same results. Let's not forget that people built precision mechanism watches a century ago when there were no 3Dprinters around.
[22:53:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03jmorris [4844] (Score:2) 02Gotta say something unpopular..... - 06DIY Raspberry Pi 2 10-inch Portable Desktop - 1397 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:53:47] <exec> 08└─Why? This thing is a poor substitute for a tablet. Go buy a tablet with a 10.1 display with an unlocked/unlockable boot loader, several already have Linux ports available even. That gets you a touch screen and good wireless connectivity. Lets compare this unit to such a tablet, the Samsung Galaxy No...
[22:53:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03pkrasimirov [3358] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Yeah, robots - 06Japan Has Aged Out of its Economic Miracle - 114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:53:48] <exec> 08└─> Who will take care of millions of old [Japanese] people? Robots! Who will produce millions of new robots? China.
[22:53:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03tibman [134] (Score:2) 02Re:Yeah, robots - 06Japan Has Aged Out of its Economic Miracle - 47 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:53:50] <exec> 08└─Who will produce millions of new robots? China.
[22:53:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Re:Yeah, robots - 06Japan Has Aged Out of its Economic Miracle - 246 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:53:52] <exec> 08└─On a side note, the matter transporters seem to be working better than the data transporters, so beaming tech to space and back still remains an efficient solution. If you're going to write about the future, there's no reason to be down on it ;).
[22:53:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03tibman [134] (Score:4, Informative) 02Re:Yeah, robots - 06Japan Has Aged Out of its Economic Miracle - 513 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:53:54] <exec> 08└─Didn't think the matter transporters factored into it, sorry. I figured everyone knows how great they are. Just can't use the things around government jammers. I have heard they are giving out permits to some businesses next year though! Maybe we can all meet up for another SN reunion. Should go muc...
[22:53:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03edIII [791] (Score:4, Informative) 02Re:Yeah, robots - 06Japan Has Aged Out of its Economic Miracle - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:53:56] <exec> 08└─The only thing funnier than your comment was me accidentally moderating it +1 Informative.
[22:53:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:2, Insightful) 02Re:Yeah, robots - 06Japan Has Aged Out of its Economic Miracle - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:53:57] <exec> 08└─but there is more money in moving people through the tunnels than finished products
[22:53:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Yeah, robots - 06Japan Has Aged Out of its Economic Miracle - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:53:59] <exec> 08└─You mean what will produce millions of robots. Other robots!!!
[22:54:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Who will really take care of the old people - 06Japan Has Aged Out of its Economic Miracle - 174 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:54:01] <exec> 08└─The young people. Like every society that has ever existed. Well that, and they will be all enjoying the ongoing companionship of hundreds of Hello Kitty plushies per person.
[22:54:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02Re:Who will really take care of the old people - 06Japan Has Aged Out of its Economic Miracle - 117 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:54:02] <exec> 08└─Maybe they'll be the first to legilize the suicide booth, you know since 'it's so shameful' to grow old or something.
[22:54:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Re:Who will really take care of the old people - 06Japan Has Aged Out of its Economic Miracle - 111 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:54:04] <exec> 08└─Actually, the proper answer is "the Philippinos, as is already the case" They won't say it too loud, of course.
[22:54:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Daiv [3940] (Score:4, Insightful) 02This seems like an ideal economic situation - 06Japan Has Aged Out of its Economic Miracle - 583 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:54:06] <exec> 08└─All I see are benefits to the Japanese economy. No need for expansion (so no clamoring for MOAR TAX DOLLAS). Saturation is fairly high now, so less worry of crowding. More opportunities for jobs as they become vacated by retirees, so less stress and competition in schooling. Is it just that the old...
[22:54:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:This seems like an ideal economic situation - 06Japan Has Aged Out of its Economic Miracle - 263 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:54:08] <exec> 08└─Putting aside economics for a moment, Japan is jammed pack full of people. Seriously, a lower population has to be more sustainable long term. And it looks like they are lowering the population without ugly laws, wars, starvation..etc. All I can say is well done.
[22:54:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03JoeMerchant [3937] (Score:2) 02Re:This seems like an ideal economic situation - 06Japan Has Aged Out of its Economic Miracle - 299 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:54:09] <exec> 08└─The infrastructure and economy is already ugly enough to discourage population increase. Look at the "helpers" on the commuter train platforms, then realize that these people are economically forced to work and deal with this kind of crowding. That's better birth control than most things I know of.
[22:54:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:This seems like an ideal economic situation - 06Japan Has Aged Out of its Economic Miracle - 200 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:54:11] <exec> 08└─Workforce is one area where supply side economics is actually relevant. The other being raw materials. A shrinking workforce, without the reduced demand of a shrinking population, is not a good thing.
[22:54:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03tibman [134] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:This seems like an ideal economic situation - 06Japan Has Aged Out of its Economic Miracle - 27 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:54:13] <exec> 08└─Sounds good for pay though.
[22:54:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:This seems like an ideal economic situation - 06Japan Has Aged Out of its Economic Miracle - 374 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:54:15] <exec> 08└─If you don't take the inflationary component into account. Things become more expensive as more people need them. Wages inflate, because everyone needs employees to provide services, but at the same time, those wages need to compete with increasingly stretched retirement accounts. The system will...
[22:54:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03HiThere [866] (Score:2) 02Re:This seems like an ideal economic situation - 06Japan Has Aged Out of its Economic Miracle - 1063 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:54:16] <exec> 08└─And that is why Japan has been putting so much effort into robotics. They already have a need for them, and they see an increasing need. OTOH, there *is* a dark side to this. The reason Japan is so desperate for mechanized workers is that they tend to be Xenophobic. They don't want to invite immigra...
[22:54:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03curunir_wolf [4772] (Score:2) 02Re:This seems like an ideal economic situation - 06Japan Has Aged Out of its Economic Miracle - 318 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:54:18] <exec> 08└─Given Japan's history, their xenophobia is quite reasonable. They have usually been independent, and have been repeatedly attacked by outsiders. (Yeah, more recently in WWII they returned the favor, but that's ONE instance. Japan has a long history of repelling invaders. Sort of like Britain, only m...
[22:54:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:3, Insightful) 02I nominate Keynesian economics - 06Japan Has Aged Out of its Economic Miracle - 358 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:54:20] <exec> 08└─What's missed here is that they really hosed their economy badly after the 1990-1991 recession with a really ambitious Keynesian bailout. Sure, having a lot of non-employed old people hurts your economy. But so does spending a significant fraction of your future wealth (currently well over a year's...
[22:54:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Smoking - 06Japan Has Aged Out of its Economic Miracle - 1189 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:54:22] <exec> 08└─That's why I find it rather funny that so many countries are trying to ban smoking everywhere. Go ahead stop kids from smoking but if adults want to smoke of their own free will, let them. Tax the crap out of tobacco though, and make establishments (restaurants, pubs etc) that want to allow smoking...
[22:54:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:Smoking - 06Japan Has Aged Out of its Economic Miracle - 158 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:54:23] <exec> 08└─If smoking killed fast, it'd be fine, but it kills slooooow and there's shitloads of side effects that need to be taken care of and that costs loads of money.
[22:54:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:1) 02Re:Smoking - 06Japan Has Aged Out of its Economic Miracle - 158 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:54:25] <exec> 08└─If smoking killed fast, it'd be fine, but it kills slooooow and there's shitloads of side effects that need to be taken care of and that costs loads of money.
[22:54:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Smoking - 06Japan Has Aged Out of its Economic Miracle - 132 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:54:27] <exec> 08└─I have seen very few smokers die before "old age", often they die a long, expensive slow death stretching all the way into the 70's.
[22:54:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03mmcmonster [401] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Smoking - 06Japan Has Aged Out of its Economic Miracle - 215 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:54:28] <exec> 08└─This has been studied. The cost of added health care needed to treat smoking-related illnesses far outweigh current taxation levels. More so when you take into account the effects of second-hand smoke on nonsmokers.
[22:54:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Smoking - 06Japan Has Aged Out of its Economic Miracle - 22 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:54:30] <exec> 08└─This has been studied.
[22:54:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:1) 02Re:Smoking - 06Japan Has Aged Out of its Economic Miracle - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:54:32] <exec> 08└─The cost of added health care needed to treat smoking-related illnesses far outweigh current taxation levels.
[22:54:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03curunir_wolf [4772] (Score:2) 02Re:Smoking - 06Japan Has Aged Out of its Economic Miracle - 22 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:54:34] <exec> 08└─This has been studied.
[22:54:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03richtopia [3160] (Score:2) 02Japan's anti-immigration policies at work - 06Japan Has Aged Out of its Economic Miracle - 698 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:54:35] <exec> 08└─Firstly, I'm not sure what the correct answer is. However, many industrialized countries have aging populations. However, Japan stands out as having some of the strictest immigration policies in the world - you really need to be Japanese to be a Japanese citizen. Germany is a very good comparison. W...
[22:54:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:Japan's anti-immigration policies at work - 06Japan Has Aged Out of its Economic Miracle - 129 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:54:37] <exec> 08└─What makes Japan so awesome is that it is a monoculture. This, as it turns out, is also its primary flaw. IMHO, stay weird Japan.
[22:54:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Funny) 02Liberalism is the cause - 06Japan Has Aged Out of its Economic Miracle - 451 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:54:39] <exec> 08└─Support families with more children, encouraging more births. Then take care of the children so they grow to serve and support the country. Tax anyone healthy not having kids, and the problem will be solved quickly. Encourage traditional families, with the woman taking care of the home and the famil...
[22:54:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Liberalism is the cause - 06Japan Has Aged Out of its Economic Miracle - 1298 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:54:40] <exec> 08└─The reason people there AREN'T having kids is because it's too expensive to live there with the standard wages most people manage to earn. (You have people living in manga cafes and people renting a fucking BOX to sleep in at "capsule hotels" because it's the only way they can survive - this doesn't...
[22:54:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03shortscreen [2252] (Score:3, Interesting) 02nice problems to have - 06Japan Has Aged Out of its Economic Miracle - 326 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:54:42] <exec> 08└─The people complaining about longevity and lack of population growth must have bought into the fantasies of infinite economic growth and infinite returns for investors. Perhaps now they will move to an African or Middle Eastern country where the average age is 16 and people are constantly dying off...
[22:54:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03cmn32480 [443] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Finally! - 06"Slide to Unlock" Patent Declared Trivial, Nullified by German High Court - 185 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:54:44] <exec> 08└─It's about time that the courts took these companies to task for this kind of trivial garbage that is a pollutant in the patent system. Hopefully it will start to happen in the US soon.
[22:54:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Finally! - 06"Slide to Unlock" Patent Declared Trivial, Nullified by German High Court - 39 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:54:46] <exec> 08└─the courts took these companies to task
[22:54:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Finally! - 06"Slide to Unlock" Patent Declared Trivial, Nullified by German High Court - 115 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:54:47] <exec> 08└─Yeah, and you can see how bad the stifling was by the large number of alternative unlock methods on the Play Store.
[22:54:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03theluggage [1797] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Finally! - 06"Slide to Unlock" Patent Declared Trivial, Nullified by German High Court - 49 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:54:49] <exec> 08└─Hopefully it will start to happen in the US soon.
[22:54:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02N1 may be the first 'with a "computer"'... - 06"Slide to Unlock" Patent Declared Trivial, Nullified by German High Court - 171 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:54:51] <exec> 08└─... But there's been slide to whatevers since who knows. Physical slide to whatevers have existed, and just doing it virtually on a computer is not a patentable invention.
[22:54:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Tork [3914] (Score:2) 02Re:N1 may be the first 'with a "computer"'... - 06"Slide to Unlock" Patent Declared Trivial, Nullified by German High Court - 231 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:54:52] <exec> 08└─Why? Choosing and creating a virtual analog is not as straight-forward as you imagine, especially when you haven't been granted several years of hindsight. And, no, you never had a physical slide-to-unlock button on your dumbphone.
[22:54:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Re:N1 may be the first 'with a "computer"'... - 06"Slide to Unlock" Patent Declared Trivial, Nullified by German High Court - 180 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:54:54] <exec> 08└─> And, no, you never had a physical slide-to-unlock button on your dumbphone. Sure did, but it was on the right side. I should have patented putting it on the left and/or the front
[22:54:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Tork [3914] (Score:2) 02Re:N1 may be the first 'with a "computer"'... - 06"Slide to Unlock" Patent Declared Trivial, Nullified by German High Court - 43 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:54:56] <exec> 08└─How did it display a variable unlock image?
[22:54:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Re:N1 may be the first 'with a "computer"'... - 06"Slide to Unlock" Patent Declared Trivial, Nullified by German High Court - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:54:58] <exec> 08└─The gap on one side got smaller as the gap on the other side got bigger. Not the best show on earth, for sure.
[22:54:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Tork [3914] (Score:2) 02Re:N1 may be the first 'with a "computer"'... - 06"Slide to Unlock" Patent Declared Trivial, Nullified by German High Court - 35 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:54:59] <exec> 08└─Also not covered in Apple's patent.
[22:55:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:N1 may be the first 'with a "computer"'... - 06"Slide to Unlock" Patent Declared Trivial, Nullified by German High Court - 75 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:55:02] <exec> 08└─And, no, you never had a physical slide-to-unlock button on your dumbphone.
[22:55:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:N1 may be the first 'with a "computer"'... - 06"Slide to Unlock" Patent Declared Trivial, Nullified by German High Court - 326 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:55:05] <exec> 08└─I said slide to whatever, not a physical slide to unlock, and i wasn't talking about just phones. And yes, it is fucking trivial to make slide to whatever in software. The patentable part could be the touch part of the phone, which it has been, but using that slide motion on a touch screen to do a f...
[22:55:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02What does the slide to unlock patent cover? - 06"Slide to Unlock" Patent Declared Trivial, Nullified by German High Court - 802 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:55:09] <exec> 08└─I've never understood what the slide to unlock patent could possibly cover. You have a touch screen, already patented You have an API that detects touches and causes events to fire, already patented and copyrighted (so touching the screen in one position and sliding to another would be covered by th...
[22:55:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Tork [3914] (Score:2) 02Re:What does the slide to unlock patent cover? - 06"Slide to Unlock" Patent Declared Trivial, Nullified by German High Court - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:55:12] <exec> 08└─So "Slide to Unlock" boils down to existing collection of technologies and software plus a picture of a lock.
[22:55:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:What does the slide to unlock patent cover? - 06"Slide to Unlock" Patent Declared Trivial, Nullified by German High Court - 196 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:55:15] <exec> 08└─The pizza would not be patentable in itself, except for maybe design patent, which would protect the looks. The process and the machines in used in making that pizza would be that patentable part.
[22:55:17] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03penguinoid [5331] 02How to cut down on bad patents - 06"Slide to Unlock" Patent Declared Trivial, Nullified by German High Court - 363 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:55:19] <exec> 08└─You know what would be really funny? If attempting to patent something were considered a statement that the thing they were attempting to patent is worthy of intellectual property rights protections. Then if the patent is rejected for prior art, instead of getting a patent they have to pay licensing...
[22:55:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03ese002 [5306] (Score:1) 02Advantage: Trolls - 06"Slide to Unlock" Patent Declared Trivial, Nullified by German High Court - 138 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:55:21] <exec> 08└─That would give another advantage to patent trolls. Since they don't make anything they would not have to pay licensing fees if they lose.
[22:55:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Offtopic) 02Quantum sweatshop - 06Flexible Foam Made from Algae - 91 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:55:23] <exec> 08└─Has anyone ever met a humane rapist before? Neither have I. What an amazing article indeed.
[22:55:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Waste processing - 06Flexible Foam Made from Algae - 541 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:55:25] <exec> 08└─So... I had the... luxury... of touring a wastewater treatment plant with a college environmental science class. One of the biggest fears they have is that someone will flush enough bleach or similar to kill all their bacteria. Apparently it costs a fortune to replace them and they're a critical par...
[22:55:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Long story shortened: - 06EU Carbon Market Loophole Studied - 493 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:55:27] <exec> 08└─Carbon credits are a scam, from start to finish. Businesses figured that out early on, and took full advantage of the public's gullibility. "Let's play shell games with our carbon emmissions, except, we'll use dozens of shells, and we won't even put any carbon inside of any of the shells. Since the...
[22:55:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03khallow [3766] (Score:1) 02Re:Long story shortened: - 06EU Carbon Market Loophole Studied - 687 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:55:28] <exec> 08└─What's interesting is how fast the situation was exploited. When you're designing markets, you need to worry a lot about how traders can exploit the structure of the market. I've seen situations where traders were exploiting a modest flaw in the default display settings for viewing trades (in Eve On...
[22:55:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Long story shortened: - 06EU Carbon Market Loophole Studied - 246 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:55:30] <exec> 08└─I have seen people game the system to get 2 cent mcdonalds toy. We have people exploiting the length of your cable to a trading house to end run you. That an artificial construct like the carbon trading market was exploited? Not surprised at all.
[22:55:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03MrGuy [1007] (Score:2) 02As old as business. - 06EU Carbon Market Loophole Studied - 2377 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:55:32] <exec> 08└─Back when I worked for a Very Large Company, this was the same smoke-and-mirrors way we paid for every project we did (because they wouldn't give us a budget otherwise). Say we had 5 data management systems running, and we wanted to consolidate them. We'd add up the licensing cost for any software,...
[22:55:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03ticho [89] (Score:4, Funny) 02Personal Assistants... with benefits? - 06Chinese Tech Companies Reportedly Hiring 'Cheerleaders' to Motivate Programmers - 64 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:55:33] <exec> 08└─Inquiring dirty minds want to know - what other perks are there?
[22:55:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Ethanol-fueled [2792] (Score:-1, Troll) 02Re:Personal Assistants... with benefits? - 06Chinese Tech Companies Reportedly Hiring 'Cheerleaders' to Motivate Programmers - 732 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:55:35] <exec> 08└─Groan - That Jew propaganda makes you guys think that you can't get girls unless you're a Black affirmative-action candidate. But news to you fucks -- Those types have been in the American corporate environment for quite awhile. They wear tight mid-thigh skirts and tank tops so they can show you the...
[22:55:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03skullz [2532] (Score:2) 02Re:Personal Assistants... with benefits? - 06Chinese Tech Companies Reportedly Hiring 'Cheerleaders' to Motivate Programmers - 93 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:55:37] <exec> 08└─What, what? I didn't know we were playing Redneck Hate Bingo. Damn it Ethanol, you win again.
[22:55:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Personal Assistants... with benefits? - 06Chinese Tech Companies Reportedly Hiring 'Cheerleaders' to Motivate Programmers - 332 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:55:39] <exec> 08└─Back in the early 80s, I was in the video game industry. It was a different time, to be sure. You know how Mad Men is with booze? s/booze/cocaine/g. We didn't have cheerleaders, but a few times a month, escorts would come in and give us blow jobs and hand jobs (and occasionally a proper fuck). That...
[22:55:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:4, Funny) 02Do Not Believe - 06Chinese Tech Companies Reportedly Hiring 'Cheerleaders' to Motivate Programmers - 315 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:55:41] <exec> 08└─> the presence of these girls have greatly improved their job efficiency and motivation. There is simply no way this is true. Socially inept men getting attention from pretty girls at the office? Unless those guys are also getting happy endings they are going to be so wound up that they can't focus...
[22:55:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:3, Funny) 02Re:Do Not Believe - 06Chinese Tech Companies Reportedly Hiring 'Cheerleaders' to Motivate Programmers - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:55:42] <exec> 08└─Unless those guys are also getting happy endings they are going to be so wound up that they can't focus on work at all.
[22:55:43] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03K_benzoate [5036] 02Re:Do Not Believe - 06Chinese Tech Companies Reportedly Hiring 'Cheerleaders' to Motivate Programmers - 161 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:55:44] <exec> 08└─I can't concentrate when ANYONE is nearby competing for my attention. If it's a pretty girl I'm basically useless. My workspace is an isolated cave for a reason.
[22:55:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Justin Case [4239] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:Do Not Believe - 06Chinese Tech Companies Reportedly Hiring 'Cheerleaders' to Motivate Programmers - 234 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:55:46] <exec> 08└─> My workspace is an isolated cave for a reason. Sweet! How did you arrange that? I'm perplexed how leadership thinks we can get anything done working in the same building with jackhammers, metal saws, and "pods" of chatty cow-orkers.
[22:55:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03isostatic [365] (Score:4, Funny) 02Re:Do Not Believe - 06Chinese Tech Companies Reportedly Hiring 'Cheerleaders' to Motivate Programmers - 152 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:55:47] <exec> 08└─>> My workspace is an isolated cave for a reason. > Sweet! How did you arrange that? I hear Al Quada are recruiting IT savvy people to keep up with ISIS
[22:55:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score:2) 02Re:Do Not Believe - 06Chinese Tech Companies Reportedly Hiring 'Cheerleaders' to Motivate Programmers - 64 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:55:49] <exec> 08└─It's definitely better than the "packed like sardines" approach.
[22:55:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03OrugTor [5147] (Score:1) 02Re:Do Not Believe - 06Chinese Tech Companies Reportedly Hiring 'Cheerleaders' to Motivate Programmers - 53 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:55:51] <exec> 08└─You have people who ork cows? I don't even have cows!
[22:55:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Do Not Believe - 06Chinese Tech Companies Reportedly Hiring 'Cheerleaders' to Motivate Programmers - 275 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:55:53] <exec> 08└─While funny. It could also mean trouble for those women. Some dudes do not know the difference between 'I am being nice to you' and 'i want you'. My wife has a dude that has hung on for 25 years hoping. Some get rather violent when their 'want' does not become anything more.
[22:55:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03bob_super [1357] (Score:2) 02Re:Do Not Believe - 06Chinese Tech Companies Reportedly Hiring 'Cheerleaders' to Motivate Programmers - 179 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:55:54] <exec> 08└─What the guys don't realize is that the girls are also in charge of spotting code errors. One girl for a dozen horny guys, the ratio is soon going to be average for China or India
[22:55:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Funny) 02Re:Do Not Believe - 06Chinese Tech Companies Reportedly Hiring 'Cheerleaders' to Motivate Programmers - 49 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:55:56] <exec> 08└─OMG, that's *your* wife? Sorry, I didn't realize.
[22:55:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Do Not Believe - 06Chinese Tech Companies Reportedly Hiring 'Cheerleaders' to Motivate Programmers - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:55:58] <exec> 08└─Well at least you got the hint finally when I married her :)
[22:55:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Troll) 02Service Girl - 06Chinese Tech Companies Reportedly Hiring 'Cheerleaders' to Motivate Programmers - 3844 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:56:00] <exec> 08└─This is a service of the Erotic Broadcast Service! The following story is not written by me nor do I agree/diagree with its contents. I am simply posting this story so that concenting adults who might not find this disagreable will enjoy it. If anyone who has written a better legal disclaimer, I wou...
[22:56:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Funny) 02From the department of redundancy department - 06Chinese Tech Companies Reportedly Hiring 'Cheerleaders' to Motivate Programmers - 390 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:56:01] <exec> 08└─Dubbed "programming cheerleaders," these young women serve to chit-chat and play Ping-Pong with employees as part of their role. The duties of an office cheerleader are said to include buying programmers breakfast, chit-chatting and playing Ping-Pong with them. (Facebook/Trending in China) [...] the...
[22:56:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:From the department of redundancy department - 06Chinese Tech Companies Reportedly Hiring 'Cheerleaders' to Motivate Programmers - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:56:03] <exec> 08└─He? You sexist man! May a rabid cheerleader bite off your cock.
[22:56:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Touché) 02Re:From the department of redundancy department - 06Chinese Tech Companies Reportedly Hiring 'Cheerleaders' to Motivate Programmers - 9 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:56:05] <exec> 08└─Worth it.
[22:56:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:From the department of redundancy department - 06Chinese Tech Companies Reportedly Hiring 'Cheerleaders' to Motivate Programmers - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:56:07] <exec> 08└─This is from today's Fortune: "You are a very redundant person, that's what kind of person you are."
[22:56:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Rivenaleem [3400] (Score:2) 02Re:From the department of redundancy department - 06Chinese Tech Companies Reportedly Hiring 'Cheerleaders' to Motivate Programmers - 87 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:56:08] <exec> 08└─Was going to moderate you, but then forgot what your post was about. Can you repeat it?
[22:56:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:4, Funny) 02Re:From the department of redundancy department - 06Chinese Tech Companies Reportedly Hiring 'Cheerleaders' to Motivate Programmers - 80 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:56:10] <exec> 08└─Is the average reader here so forgetful that he has to be told everything twice?
[22:56:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:4, Funny) 02Learn from the Simpsons - 06Chinese Tech Companies Reportedly Hiring 'Cheerleaders' to Motivate Programmers - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:56:12] <exec> 08└─"Are you guys working?" "Yes, sir, Mr. Simpson." "Could you, um, work any harder than this?" "Sure thing, boss!"
[22:56:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Learn from the Simpsons - 06Chinese Tech Companies Reportedly Hiring 'Cheerleaders' to Motivate Programmers - 136 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:56:13] <exec> 08└─"You know, there's a little place called Mary Ann's Hammocks. The nice thing about that place is Mary Ann gets in the hammock with you."
[22:56:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02fire up #cubebabes - 06Chinese Tech Companies Reportedly Hiring 'Cheerleaders' to Motivate Programmers - 8 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:56:15] <exec> 08└─Woo-hoo!
[22:56:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02RTFA - 06Chinese Tech Companies Reportedly Hiring 'Cheerleaders' to Motivate Programmers - 42 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:56:17] <exec> 08└─It's got pictures and it's workplace-safe.
[22:56:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03negrace [4010] (Score:1) 02This won't work - 06Chinese Tech Companies Reportedly Hiring 'Cheerleaders' to Motivate Programmers - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:56:19] <exec> 08└─This won't work. It just makes blood flow in the wrong direction.
[22:56:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03cmdrklarg [5048] (Score:1) 02To motivate them? - 06Chinese Tech Companies Reportedly Hiring 'Cheerleaders' to Motivate Programmers - 74 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:56:20] <exec> 08└─Office Linebacker http://www.youtube.com [youtube.com]
[22:56:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Funny) 02planned obsolesence - 06Rechargeable Batteries With Almost Infinite Lifetimes Coming, Say MIT-Samsung Engineers - 276 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:56:22] <exec> 08└─We don't need no stinking infinite lifetime batteries in our New Shiny Thing. You're supposed to throw it away after six months. Buy the latest trendy because it's what your idiot friends are doing. You want to be part of the crowd, don't you? That's why you exist. To belong.
[22:56:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03davester666 [155] (Score:2) 02Re:planned obsolesence - 06Rechargeable Batteries With Almost Infinite Lifetimes Coming, Say MIT-Samsung Engineers - 273 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:56:24] <exec> 08└─You just need to keep paying the monthly maintenance fee, where you get a code that is sent to the battery via it's charger, otherwise it stops working. Because there is no way you will pay enough up front to keep the CEO and the top executives in hookers and blow forever.
[22:56:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Scientific journalism or what? - 06Rechargeable Batteries With Almost Infinite Lifetimes Coming, Say MIT-Samsung Engineers - 97 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:56:26] <exec> 08└─"You could throw it against the wall, drive a nail through it — there's nothing there to burn."
[22:56:26] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03c0lo [156] 02Re:Scientific journalism or what? - 06Rechargeable Batteries With Almost Infinite Lifetimes Coming, Say MIT-Samsung Engineers - 551 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:56:27] <exec> 08└─From TFAb(stract): We find that an underlying body-centred cubic-like anion framework, which allows direct Li hops between adjacent tetrahedral sites, is most desirable for achieving high ionic conductivity, and that indeed this anion arrangement is present in several known fast Li-conducting materi...
[22:56:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03fritsd [4586] (Score:2) 02Re:Scientific journalism or what? - 06Rechargeable Batteries With Almost Infinite Lifetimes Coming, Say MIT-Samsung Engineers - 259 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:56:29] <exec> 08└─Bear in mind that some of them are probably expensive, or difficult to crystallize in the correct form. Germanium isn't cheap AFAIK. Look here for a picture of what "body-centred cubic" means: https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org]
[22:56:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Power? - 06Rechargeable Batteries With Almost Infinite Lifetimes Coming, Say MIT-Samsung Engineers - 162 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:56:31] <exec> 08└─I see how you can store energy, and the power you get depends on the rate you can release the energy, but how do you store power? Even MIT doesn't get this right.
[22:56:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:3, Funny) 02Re:Power? - 06Rechargeable Batteries With Almost Infinite Lifetimes Coming, Say MIT-Samsung Engineers - 27 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:56:32] <exec> 08└─but how do you store power?
[22:56:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03penguinoid [5331] (Score:2) 02Re:Power? - 06Rechargeable Batteries With Almost Infinite Lifetimes Coming, Say MIT-Samsung Engineers - 127 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:56:34] <exec> 08└─To store electric power, you store electrical energy in something with low internal resistance so you can discharge it quickly.
[22:56:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:4, Touché) 02"Almost infinite" is not a thing - 06Rechargeable Batteries With Almost Infinite Lifetimes Coming, Say MIT-Samsung Engineers - 15 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:56:36] <exec> 08└─Almost Infinite
[22:56:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Funny) 02Re:"Almost infinite" is not a thing - 06Rechargeable Batteries With Almost Infinite Lifetimes Coming, Say MIT-Samsung Engineers - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:56:37] <exec> 08└─Yes, but separated from infinity only by a small infinite amount.
[22:56:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03penguinoid [5331] (Score:2) 02Re:"Almost infinite" is not a thing - 06Rechargeable Batteries With Almost Infinite Lifetimes Coming, Say MIT-Samsung Engineers - 15 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:56:39] <exec> 08└─Almost Infinite
[22:56:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:"Almost infinite" is not a thing - 06Rechargeable Batteries With Almost Infinite Lifetimes Coming, Say MIT-Samsung Engineers - 24 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:56:41] <exec> 08└─close enough to infinity
[22:56:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Even just from the summary I understand this - 06Rechargeable Batteries With Almost Infinite Lifetimes Coming, Say MIT-Samsung Engineers - 211 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:56:42] <exec> 08└─That other commenters didn't understand so far: this is not about the battery lasting nearly infinitely, but the battery itself lasting a long time, rather than losing how much power it can hold as time goes on.
[22:56:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Even just from the summary I understand this - 06Rechargeable Batteries With Almost Infinite Lifetimes Coming, Say MIT-Samsung Engineers - 34 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:56:44] <exec> 08└─Thanx for splaining we so stoopid.
[22:56:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03ticho [89] (Score:2, Funny) 02Re:Even just from the summary I understand this - 06Rechargeable Batteries With Almost Infinite Lifetimes Coming, Say MIT-Samsung Engineers - 32 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:56:46] <exec> 08└─Why are you talking to yourself?
[22:56:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheRaven [270] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Please stop the MIT articles! - 06Rechargeable Batteries With Almost Infinite Lifetimes Coming, Say MIT-Samsung Engineers - 240 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:56:48] <exec> 08└─There's been a little flurry of things from the MIT press office recently. They all have two things in common: they're over sensationalised, and they have almost no relationship to the content of the actual papers that they're referring to.
[22:56:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03TrumpetPower! [590] (Score:3, Insightful) 02The ocean is a bitch - 06 Hawaii Begins Harvesting Clean Energy from the Sea - 435 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:56:49] <exec> 08└─That salt water and all the contaminants -- not to mention the barnacles and other biology -- love to chew up industrial machinery, meaning everything is in a constant state of repair. I haven't RTFA, but I really hope that that 20¢ / kWh price includes a generous maintenance budget. If it does, fa...
[22:56:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Re:The ocean is a bitch - 06 Hawaii Begins Harvesting Clean Energy from the Sea - 139 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:56:51] <exec> 08└─They've been studying the biofouling problem [nih.gov] for decades at that site. I'm sure that the maintenance costs are fully factored in.
[22:56:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The ocean is a bitch - 06 Hawaii Begins Harvesting Clean Energy from the Sea - 86 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:56:53] <exec> 08└─Another cost not counted. Warming the lower ocean. Weather effects you cannot predict.
[22:56:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:The ocean is a bitch - 06 Hawaii Begins Harvesting Clean Energy from the Sea - 147 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:56:55] <exec> 08└─Warming the ocean with 105 kW ? Seriously, don't make me laugh. It is the worldwide equivalent of roughly 1050 extra people going swimming all day.
[22:56:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Clean energy - 06 Hawaii Begins Harvesting Clean Energy from the Sea - 47 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:56:56] <exec> 08└─Clean Energy from the dirty [wikipedia.org] Sea
[22:56:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Spam) 02Saving money is for Cows - 06 Hawaii Begins Harvesting Clean Energy from the Sea - 86 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:56:58] <exec> 08└─Moooooooo. Moooooooo. Moo moo mooo moooooooooooooooo. Spend more, save more, you cows!
[22:56:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:3, Informative) 02Nothing New - 06 Hawaii Begins Harvesting Clean Energy from the Sea - 353 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:57:00] <exec> 08└─Well, it is another implementation of a demonstration facility, but that same company has been doing OTEC plants at that same site since the 1970s. [hawaii.gov] During the 90s they had a demo plant that had twice the theoretical power output. Anyone who has ever flown into Kona has flown right past...
[22:57:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Nothing New - 06 Hawaii Begins Harvesting Clean Energy from the Sea - 81 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:57:01] <exec> 08└─During the 90s they had a demo plant that had twice the theoretical power output.
[22:57:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02And people from Hawaii Nei have to read about this - 06 Hawaii Begins Harvesting Clean Energy from the Sea - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:57:03] <exec> 08└─And people from Hawaii Nei have to read about this on SoylentNews! Oh, auwe!
[22:57:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02"Steam" is actually ammonia - 06 Hawaii Begins Harvesting Clean Energy from the Sea - 207 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:57:05] <exec> 08└─I had no idea how they got "steam" from warm water. The video actually explains that the are using ammonia, which will boil near room temperature. The cold water is then used as a heat sink in the condenser.
[22:57:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Troll) 02Every fucking thing is a "condition" - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 125 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:57:07] <exec> 08└─Next you'll be saying that fucking everything is a condition too! Oh man that is one sexy lamp. Hey baby. Let me turn you on.
[22:57:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Every fucking thing is a "condition" - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 1066 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:57:08] <exec> 08└─The term "condition" seems a bit ominous - I can agree that maybe they should have found a different term. BUT - why do you think there are different "styles" of learning? Different people think differently, and there are most definitely reasons for that. My own "conditions" include very poor color...
[22:57:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03mhajicek [51] (Score:2) 02Re:Every fucking thing is a "condition" - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:57:10] <exec> 08└─I don't just have images. I tend to think in solid models with material properties.
[22:57:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Every fucking thing is a "condition" - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 83 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:57:12] <exec> 08└─I don't just have images. I tend to think in solid models with material properties.
[22:57:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Every fucking thing is a "condition" - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 58 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:57:14] <exec> 08└─Let's not rule out mental tentacles, you insensitive clod!
[22:57:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:Every fucking thing is a "condition" - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 58 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:57:15] <exec> 08└─Let's not rule out mental tentacles, you insensitive clod!
[22:57:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03jimshatt [978] (Score:2) 02Re:Every fucking thing is a "condition" - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 548 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:57:17] <exec> 08└─That's only if you assume that people can only be aroused with imagery. That is, even when reading erotic 'literature', it's translated into mental imagery which then arouses you. It could be the case that people that have aphantasia don't need imagery as much as other people. There might also be a...
[22:57:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Every fucking thing is a "condition" - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 47 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:57:19] <exec> 08└─You visually imagine 36 million people wanking?
[22:57:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Every fucking thing is a "condition" - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:57:20] <exec> 08└─Sort of... I usually fall asleep at about a hundred of them.
[22:57:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03slinches [5049] (Score:4, Interesting) 02Re:Every fucking thing is a "condition" - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 1527 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:57:22] <exec> 08└─I can do this too. Essentially I visualize a shape, then apply forces to it and it will deflect and deform according to the properties of the material I imagine it to be made of. Similarly, I can look at a mechanism or linkage and see how all of the parts interact and move together as a system. It's...
[22:57:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:Every fucking thing is a "condition" - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 291 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:57:24] <exec> 08└─How the "time sequence" thinking? I've noticed (maybe wrong) that people who get a situation "at a glance" pay this with some difficulties in perceiving the "temporal flow context" - I don't know how to put it... metaphorically speaking, sorta like "good painters are rarely good musicians".
[22:57:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03slinches [5049] (Score:2) 02Re:Every fucking thing is a "condition" - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 1014 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:57:26] <exec> 08└─I would say maybe average, at best. Probably where that's most noticeable is that my feel for musical timing is fairly poor. If I'm singing along to a song, I'll often come in at the wrong time after a pause and will occasionally jump to the wrong verse when the lead ins are similar. Oddly, that doe...
[22:57:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:Every fucking thing is a "condition" - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 177 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:57:27] <exec> 08└─Thanks. Although, I think it hasn't limited me too much because, in many cases, I can compensate for the poor timing by substituting visual/spatial relationships between things.
[22:57:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03mhajicek [51] (Score:2) 02Re:Every fucking thing is a "condition" - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 176 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:57:29] <exec> 08└─Yeah, it's the adding other properties as well. I'm a CNC programmer / machinist, and make medieval arms and armor as a hobby. I've been making things since I was a little kid.
[22:57:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Francis [5544] (Score:1, Disagree) 02Re:Every fucking thing is a "condition" - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 940 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:57:31] <exec> 08└─Learning styles aren't real. It's more like learning habits and they would go away completely if we'd stop coddling people. Having to have information provided in the preferred method is not desirable, it represents a defect in the learning process that needs to be fixed. Now, obviously, it's not re...
[22:57:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:Every fucking thing is a "condition" - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:57:32] <exec> 08└─Next you'll be saying that fucking everything is a condition too!
[22:57:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:Every fucking thing is a "condition" - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 36 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:57:34] <exec> 08└─Every fucking thing is a "condition"
[22:57:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03fritsd [4586] (Score:2) 02Re:Every fucking thing is a "condition" - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 135 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:57:36] <exec> 08└─Right, so maybe I shouldn't have chosen the word "condition". Give me a break; I'm not a native speaker. What word would you have used?
[22:57:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Probably a gradient - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 208 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:57:38] <exec> 08└─Some people claim to see detailed scenes looking into reflecting and refracting objects: https://en.wikipedia.org [wikipedia.org] Forget the divination aspect for now, which is probably not true.
[22:57:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:4, Funny) 02Re:Probably a gradient - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 133 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:57:39] <exec> 08└─my mum once advised me to count sheep; I could visualize them jumping over the fence, but it didn't help much in getting me to sleep.
[22:57:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Offtopic) 02no such thing as variability of human experience - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:57:41] <exec> 08└─You obey authority or the authority kills you. That is the human experience.
[22:57:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02One wonders - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 531 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:57:43] <exec> 08└─How this correlates with their ability to "see patterns"? (like: what is their reaction to a Rorschach test?)Does it mean that people with aphantasia could not have visual hallucinations? What about other types of hallucinations? If they are "impervious to hallucination", could this be a good evolut...
[22:57:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:One wonders - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 2764 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:57:45] <exec> 08└─Huh, it wasn't to be! Apologies in advance for the spoiler (give your fantasy a break!), it seems that the place I work does have access to TOFA (the original FA). My selection: 21 individuals contacted us because of their lifelong reduction of visual imagery. We explored the features of their condi...
[22:57:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Re:One wonders - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:57:46] <exec> 08└─Here is the questionnaire: http://socrates.berkeley.edu [berkeley.edu]
[22:57:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) 02Re:One wonders - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 255 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:57:48] <exec> 08└─No idea to the first but the second there's no problem with in my experience. Give me enough coffee and I'll start seeing things out of the corners of my eyes that aren't there. Ditto dreams. That with me being all but completely unable to think visually.
[22:57:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:One wonders - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:57:50] <exec> 08└─That with me being all but completely unable to think visually.
[22:57:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) 02Re:One wonders - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 348 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:57:52] <exec> 08└─Time process for the most part but that doesn't really describe it well. More thought concepts that skip over the time process and only store the input and output. Like if you asked me about a conversation, I could tell you all the salient points resolved but all the steps that got us there get file...
[22:57:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) 02Re:One wonders - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 213 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:57:53] <exec> 08└─For that matter, I don't even think in English unless I'm trying to write/type/say something. Like if I wanted a beer, I'd think the abstract concept of that desire and its object rather than "I could use a beer".
[22:57:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:One wonders - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 260 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:57:55] <exec> 08└─To put it very terse: "definitely `what`, perhaps `how`, `when` is fine along the way but don't ask me to remember it". Is that it? What about "why" and "where"? Do you count them in the process of thinking? Are they "persisted" once the algo finished running?
[22:57:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:One wonders - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 400 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:57:57] <exec> 08└─Depends. When I'm trying to figure something out, the 'how' is the most important part. When I've already done something or thought something through, the 'how' is left right out as it's irrelevant. If it becomes relevant again, say if I need to preform the same thought process again, I have to go d...
[22:57:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:One wonders - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 145 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:57:58] <exec> 08└─To me it's the reverse. I need to understand why and how, the solution to a problem is the process you get to the result, not the result as such.
[22:57:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Kell [292] (Score:2) 02Re:One wonders - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 785 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:58:00] <exec> 08└─This is interesting to me. I'm very good at 3D spatial stuff - when I was young, my spatial perception and processing skills were tested (I was a gifted kid), and I was told I was literally one in a million. My visual imagination is extremely detailed and photorealistic - it's just like watching a...
[22:58:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:2) 02Re:One wonders - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 2730 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:58:02] <exec> 08└─Until I read TFA, I thought that's already clear for everybody (as in "it is so obvious that it shouldn't be even mentioned") that the humans have different ways of mentally representing the world and operating with the artefacts of this representation. Examples: An auto mechanic won't be good if i...
[22:58:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:One wonders - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 525 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:58:04] <exec> 08└─For me my visualization ability depends on what mode my brain is in. I can visualize stuff but it's normally not that great. If I'm in a calm less noisy mental state that's near dream state (or even lucid dreaming) I can visualize stuff a lot better. I can't easily switch to that state though - it's...
[22:58:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03GoodBookOfTaunts [3804] (Score:1) 02This and face blindness - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 527 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:58:05] <exec> 08└─Same here, a complete inability to visualize while conscious. Occasionally there might be something in a dream, but it's hard to be sure that isn't just "knowing" the idea of the image in the dream versus actually "seeing" a visual image. This lack of visual ability and moderate face blindness (pr...
[22:58:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03evk [597] (Score:1) 02Re:This and face blindness - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 447 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:58:07] <exec> 08└─I used to think that I didn't dream in pictures, but nowdays I'm more or less convinced that it's only the memory of the dreams that lack any visual imagery (just as all my memorys). I started to suspect that this was the case after waking up from dreams with a very clear experience of just having s...
[22:58:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:3, Informative) 02Preprint... (maybe?) - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 179 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:58:09] <exec> 08└─Maybe this [exeter.ac.uk] will work for you. The text seems the same [soylentnews.org], it's just missing the images and the links to "supplementary data" (you haven't lost much).
[22:58:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03jdavidb [5690] (Score:2) 02Maybe I've got this - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 705 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:58:10] <exec> 08└─This is interesting to me because although I was an avid reader growing up frequently I didn't see images with what I was reading. I always thought maybe I wasn't reading well enough. I did see images at times (usually variations on my house and my own environment), but most of the time what I saw i...
[22:58:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03The Mighty Buzzard [18] (Score:2) 02Re:Maybe I've got this - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 192 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:58:12] <exec> 08└─Don't look at me. The closest I can come to visualizing things I can only describe as "kind of like having a memory of having visualized something without the step of actually visualizing it".
[22:58:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03danmars [3662] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Maybe I've got this - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 1511 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:58:14] <exec> 08└─I suspect I fall in this same boat. I have never "pictured" something when reading, and thus have had a lot of issues dealing with people who think I'm just being difficult. I had a head injury from a fall at age 5 which needed stitches (top of bunk bed onto thin-carpet-covered concrete floor while...
[22:58:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03jdavidb [5690] (Score:2) 02Re:Maybe I've got this - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 492 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:58:16] <exec> 08└─Interesting. Now that you mention it, I had a couple head injuries in about 4th or 5th grade, although I can remember having this problem with books before then. For that matter I took a pretty sharp blow to the head last year as well. I don't have any problems at all with spatial awareness reasonin...
[22:58:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03MichaelDavidCrawford [2339] (Score:2) 02Who here can imagine the scent of something? - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 374 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:58:17] <exec> 08└─That I cannot smell a scent in my mind's nose is why familiar scents lead me to become so profoundly overcome by nostalgia. The neighborhood around Caltech in Pasadena has lots of Magnolia trees for example. I don't know anywhere else on the West Coast that has Magnolias. There are many things that...
[22:58:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Who here can imagine the scent of something? - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 686 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:58:19] <exec> 08└─Scent is peculiar though. Olfactory memory seems to be very different from memories of the other senses, and located in a more (evolutionary) ancient part of the brain (its a long time since i studied this, but I imagine some googling finds you nice details). I think its also very typical that odors...
[22:58:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02Re:Who here can imagine the scent of something? - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 65 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:58:21] <exec> 08└─Sure can: Coffee. Chocolate, vanilla. Peanut butter. Burgers etc.
[22:58:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02Glad to put a name to it. - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 4067 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:58:23] <exec> 08└─Wish I could answer questions if any come, but I have to post and run because it's been a long exhausting day and another is coming quickly. Time to shut my eyes and not count sheep. After I ramble for a bit of course ;) I am not at the complete end of the spectrum with a blind mind's eye, but I do...
[22:58:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03t-3 [4907] (Score:2) 02Mind's Eye - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 293 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:58:24] <exec> 08└─I had no idea what "mind's eye" was supposed to mean before I read the comments here. I always thought it was some imaginary power like chi or something, because I can't visualize a goddamn thing. My dreams are always first-person, I'm not sure if that's different than "dreaming in pictures."
[22:58:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Visual vs. non-visual thinkers? - 06"Aphantasia": Human Visual Imagination is Not Universal - 170 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:58:26] <exec> 08└─Remember a colleague who noted how he "visualizes" in abstractions - i.e., he doesn't visualizes with graphs/pictures (like me) but with equations/verbal notions instead.
[22:58:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Offtopic) 02Vitamin D is for COWS - 06Low Vitamin-D Genes Linked to Multiple Sclerosis - 96 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:58:28] <exec> 08└─Mooooooo say the cows. Mooooooooooooooooo. MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Squirt it out your udders.
[22:58:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Boxplot - 06Low Vitamin-D Genes Linked to Multiple Sclerosis - 284 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:58:30] <exec> 08└─Caption of figure 3: Here we show the box-plot of natural-log-transformed 25OHD by the count of 25OHD-decreasing alleles in the CaMos population...The center line and error bars represent the mean level of natural-log-transformed 25OHD and its 95% CI for each respective allele count.
[22:58:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Insightful) 02Law of unindented medical consequences - 06Low Vitamin-D Genes Linked to Multiple Sclerosis - 1657 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:58:31] <exec> 08└─Whenever doctors or nutritionists tell you that you must not do something that has been done for hundreds or thousands of years (or in case of sunlight, millions of years), then it is time to take that advice with a grain of salt. Case and point is sunlight. It is well known that excessive sunlight...
[22:58:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Law of unindented medical consequences - 06Low Vitamin-D Genes Linked to Multiple Sclerosis - 1058 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:58:33] <exec> 08└─Agreed. They also don't tell that going outside in the local sun is completely different from a tanning bed and from leaving the office completely pale and catching a plane[1] to e.g. Spain for three weeks. The local sun is not nearly as harmful, because your skin is already used to it, especially i...
[22:58:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:3, Touché) 02Re:Law of unindented medical consequences - 06Low Vitamin-D Genes Linked to Multiple Sclerosis - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:58:35] <exec> 08└─Whenever doctors or nutritionists tell you that you must not do something
[22:58:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02Re:Law of unindented medical consequences - 06Low Vitamin-D Genes Linked to Multiple Sclerosis - 717 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:58:37] <exec> 08└─Not sure the evidence supports the assertion that sunscreen blocks Vitamin D absorption. Theoretically, it should prevent some, but actual trials have shown no difference in practice. Use of sunscreen. Sunscreen prevents sunburn by blocking UVB light. Theoretically, that means sunscreen use lowers...
[22:58:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Law of unindented medical consequences - 06Low Vitamin-D Genes Linked to Multiple Sclerosis - 489 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:58:38] <exec> 08└─Healthcare is like astronomy before Tycho Brahe collected good data. There are essentially no reliable facts on which we can hang our hats and develop theories. Direct replications are actively discouraged by those people. Publishing info that directly conflicts with a previous study is considered a...
[22:58:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03TrumpetPower! [590] (Score:4, Interesting) 02Vitally important - 06Hybrid Artificial Photosynthesis Technique Produces Hydrogen and Methane - 2199 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:58:40] <exec> 08└─No clue if this particular method will pan out, or some other...but it's of vital importance that we develop a solar-powered way to make hydrocarbon feedstock from atmospheric CO2. Never mind gasoline for passenger vehicles; basically all of civilization is utterly dependent on petroleum in countles...
[22:58:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Vitally important - 06Hybrid Artificial Photosynthesis Technique Produces Hydrogen and Methane - 447 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:58:42] <exec> 08└─Solar has a problem of not working at night. We still want power then. So things like this will act as a storage. In most cases you would be better off just using the power directly from the panel than converting it into something else. Also do not confuse the price of oil with anything about supply...
[22:58:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:Vitally important - 06Hybrid Artificial Photosynthesis Technique Produces Hydrogen and Methane - 1080 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:58:44] <exec> 08└─Uhhh - that whole embargo thing in the '70's? It wasn't about price fixing, or anything so simple. It was a protest over the US going off of the gold standard. Members of OPEC insisted that the price of oil should be tied to the price of gold. I've posted links in the past that shows that the price...
[22:58:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Vitally important - 06Hybrid Artificial Photosynthesis Technique Produces Hydrogen and Methane - 1981 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:58:46] <exec> 08└─Then we can just ignore the oversupply the producers and major consumers are talking about? We can ignore what The Saudis say they are doing. Because of your correlation? The Saudis have basically told OPEC 'we are doing what we want you guys are crazy'. There are 4 major producers of oil. OPEC, the...
[22:58:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Gravis [4596] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Vitally important - 06Hybrid Artificial Photosynthesis Technique Produces Hydrogen and Methane - 177 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:58:47] <exec> 08└─basically all of civilization is utterly dependent on petroleum in countless ways...lubricants and plastics and fertilizer and pesticides and even pavement and roofing materials
[22:58:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03PinkyGigglebrain [4458] (Score:2, Insightful) 02Re:Vitally important - 06Hybrid Artificial Photosynthesis Technique Produces Hydrogen and Methane - 329 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:58:49] <exec> 08└─When I read posts like yours I always think of Romans 1:22 (KJV) "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools," Its the only verse in the Bible I know by heart, and it comes in handy when someone starts quoting the Bible at me, or in response to posts like yours. Careful who you call a fool...
[22:58:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03penguinoid [5331] (Score:2) 02Re:Vitally important - 06Hybrid Artificial Photosynthesis Technique Produces Hydrogen and Methane - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:58:51] <exec> 08└─Just post a picture of the barrel which we're literally scraping the bottom of, and we'll all make fun of Gravis.
[22:58:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Petrochemical alternatives - 06Hybrid Artificial Photosynthesis Technique Produces Hydrogen and Methane - 1183 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:58:52] <exec> 08└─fertilizer The use of a garbage disposal is a sin. The amount of vegetable peelings and not-quite-perfect stuff that gets shoved down those is shameful. That biomass could be put into a compost heap and reused to fertilize the next year's growth. You mix that stuff with equal parts "waste" paper. Th...
[22:58:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03morgauxo [2082] (Score:2) 02Re:Vitally important - 06Hybrid Artificial Photosynthesis Technique Produces Hydrogen and Methane - 197 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:58:54] <exec> 08└─With fossil fuels we eventually warm the planet enough to lose our coastal cities. With electric vehicles we strip-mine the planet to get rare-earth metals. I'm glad I don't live in a coastal city!
[22:58:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Fuel for fusion reactors! - 06Hybrid Artificial Photosynthesis Technique Produces Hydrogen and Methane - 198 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:58:56] <exec> 08└─Most people are looking at the methane as fuel. Hydrogen is fuel too! Using methane as fuel only puts that dreaded carbon back into the atmosphere. Using hydrogen as fuel causes no carbon emissions.
[22:58:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03gman003 [4155] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Fuel for fusion reactors! - 06Hybrid Artificial Photosynthesis Technique Produces Hydrogen and Methane - 431 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:58:58] <exec> 08└─Methane is useful as a hydrogen carrier. A 70-lb cylinder of compressed methane has the equivalent of 200 moles of hydrogen, while the same tank filled with hydrogen has only 160mol. Even if you're using it in a fuel cell (where the carbon is useless and unreactive), that's still a win, and then you...
[22:58:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Fuel for fusion reactors! - 06Hybrid Artificial Photosynthesis Technique Produces Hydrogen and Methane - 429 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:59:00] <exec> 08└─But if the carbon is extracted from the atmosphere and then returned, it's carbon neutral and not much of a problem. While it doesn't reduce the atmospheric CO2, it doesn't increase it either. However, any leaks in the process with add methane to the atmosphere and that is worse than CO2 (there will...
[22:59:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Fuel for fusion reactors! - 06Hybrid Artificial Photosynthesis Technique Produces Hydrogen and Methane - 1457 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:59:01] <exec> 08└─The only problem with pure hydrogen is that it's damnably difficult to store. It's the lightest element in the periodic table and as such will eventually diffuse through a lot of materials that you try to put it in, and it's pretty hard to store with enough density. If you're getting methane out of...
[22:59:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Rich [945] (Score:3, Interesting) 02It's simply not cheap enough - 06Hybrid Artificial Photosynthesis Technique Produces Hydrogen and Methane - 2825 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:59:03] <exec> 08└─In my estimation, the hydrocarbon-from-solar route probably is the most viable way into a sustainable energy economy because of two main benefits of hydrocarbons: 1.) they are easily storable and movable, and 2.) they are compatible with the vast infrastructure. This would also be cheap enough to yi...
[22:59:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03TrumpetPower! [590] (Score:2) 02Re:It's simply not cheap enough - 06Hybrid Artificial Photosynthesis Technique Produces Hydrogen and Methane - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:59:05] <exec> 08└─So with new technical schemes like the described one, there's one and only one requirement: they need to be dirt cheap.
[22:59:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02Re:It's simply not cheap enough - 06Hybrid Artificial Photosynthesis Technique Produces Hydrogen and Methane - 329 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:59:07] <exec> 08└─Oil is crazy cheap now, somewhere around $40 a barrel. Of course, if you consider 2009 not that long ago then your point stands (last time we saw prices this low). On the one hand it certainly delays cost-competitiveness. On the other, it does make it unprofitable to be starting up new wellsites....
[22:59:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03Rich [945] (Score:2) 02Re:It's simply not cheap enough - 06Hybrid Artificial Photosynthesis Technique Produces Hydrogen and Methane - 73 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:59:09] <exec> 08└─Add "in comparison" at the end of your sentence, and I'll agree with you.
[22:59:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02''Oil is dirt cheap'' - 06Hybrid Artificial Photosynthesis Technique Produces Hydrogen and Methane - 523 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:59:10] <exec> 08└─...if you don't factor in the externalities. Fracking (use of precious water in California, poisoning of well water, earthquakes); pipeline ruptures; derailments of petroleum trains; oil well blowouts (dead workers, poisoned cleanup workers, poisoned flora and fauna, workers who depend on the ecosys...
[22:59:11] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Anonymous Coward 02The lesson? - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 439 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[22:59:12] <exec> 08└─Since not all usb drives are contraband, it sounds like you can hack this dog with a 'sacrificial' thumb-drive - hide the one you care about up as high as possible and then put another plain drive close to dog-level. Once the dog has found that drive the handler will be faced with a living version o...
[22:59:13] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03nyder [4525] 02Re:The lesson? - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 55 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:59:14] <exec> 08└─I would think the lesson would be to encrypt your data.
[22:59:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:The lesson? - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 300 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:59:16] <exec> 08└─> I would think the lesson would be to encrypt your data. Because people never screw that up. We've had a million stories about general data security. This story is about dogs, talking about dog-specific countermeasures is interesting. Same old baseline advice to encrypt is hardly novel. Layers man.
[22:59:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03terrab0t [4674] (Score:1) 02Re:The lesson? - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 922 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:59:17] <exec> 08└─I'm sure I've seen this discussed in full before, but in this case the police had a warrant to completely search his home and personal records. If they found a storage medium with encrypted data on it, he would be compelled by the court to decrypt it for them –possibly with a second court order, b...
[22:59:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03tathra [3367] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:The lesson? - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 57 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:59:19] <exec> 08└─he would be compelled by the court to decrypt it for them
[22:59:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anal Pumpernickel [776] (Score:2) 02Re:The lesson? - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:59:21] <exec> 08└─as we all know though, the constitution is merely a relic of the past that gets ignored wholesale these days.
[22:59:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03linuxrocks123 [2557] (Score:2) 02Re:The lesson? - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 277 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:59:23] <exec> 08└─Thank you for bringing the 5th Amendment issue up. IMHO it is a very interesting legal question. Courts are leaning toward saying the 5th Amendment protects against forced decryption, but there is a split. The split is between a federal circuit court and a state supreme court.
[22:59:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03http [1920] (Score:2) 02Re:The lesson? - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 295 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:59:24] <exec> 08└─It's long been the standard in USA law that you can't tell a defendant to do the work of the prosecution - this being the origin of their 5th amendment. IIRC, the Fricosu case tried an end-run around this to get the defedant to provide a password, but was smacked down by the 11th circuit panel.
[22:59:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Re:The lesson? - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:59:26] <exec> 08└─IIRC, the Fricosu case tried an end-run around this to get the defedant to provide a password, but was smacked down by the 11th circuit panel.
[22:59:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03linuxrocks123 [2557] (Score:2) 02Re:The lesson? - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 192 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:59:28] <exec> 08└─The original poster cited the wrong case. The correct reference is US v. Doe, which by itself doesn't help much since Doe is a pseudonym. It was, however, the 11th Circuit which ruled on this.
[22:59:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03e_armadillo [3695] (Score:4, Funny) 02No - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:59:30] <exec> 08└─No. Don't do the shit he did, or anything like it, and you should be OK to keep your storage devices wherever you like.
[22:59:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:No - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 147 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:59:32] <exec> 08└─> No. Don't do the shit he did, or anything like it, and you should be OK to keep your storage devices wherever you like. Yeah, sure. [prwatch.org]
[22:59:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03e_armadillo [3695] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:No - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 70 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:59:33] <exec> 08└─how did this become a conversation about citizen journalists in syria?
[22:59:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Insightful) 02Re:No - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 152 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:59:35] <exec> 08└─> how did this become a conversation about citizen journalists in syria? By you saying that if you have nothing to hide you have nothing to worry about.
[22:59:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score:4, Informative) 02Re:No - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 604 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:59:37] <exec> 08└─Exactly, and secondly, the way privacy is eroded is to find a disgusting defendant with whom almost everyone cannot identify. The primary magic spell over rationality employed by authoritarians, is to find someone really horrid, and say: "do you support what he did? You must if you care about privac...
[22:59:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03e_armadillo [3695] (Score:2) 02Re:No - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 513 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:59:39] <exec> 08└─Actually, that is NOT what I said. I said, as a law abiding citizen, you could place it wherever you want, instead of hiding it in the hopes that nobody finds it. If you want to protect your privacy, or are worried about abuses of power, don't pin your hopes on a "maybe" like a decoy, i.e. "maybe th...
[22:59:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Touché) 02Re:No - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:59:40] <exec> 08└─> that is NOT what I said. I said, as a law abiding citizen, you could place it wherever you want Potato Potato.
[22:59:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03e_armadillo [3695] (Score:2) 02Re:No - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 128 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:59:42] <exec> 08└─Oh yes, because saying there is a better way to deal with your concerns is saying you have no concerns . . . Tomato . . . Orange
[22:59:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:No - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 672 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:59:44] <exec> 08└─> Oh yes, because saying there is a better way to deal with your concerns is saying you have no concerns . . . Go back and read your post again. The only "better way" you proposed is "don't do the shit he did, or anything like it." Once the intellectual bankruptcy of that statement was shoved in you...
[22:59:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:No - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 808 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:59:46] <exec> 08└─Disagree. Every time I read about people getting arrested on a weak suspicion, and having all their hardware confiscated, I think about that I should have an off-site backup. Oh sure, I'd probably get my stuff back in a couple of years when they finally admit I'm innocent, but by then it will all be...
[22:59:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03e_armadillo [3695] (Score:2) 02Re:No - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 64 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:59:47] <exec> 08└─You may be surprised, but I completely agree with your solution.
[22:59:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anal Pumpernickel [776] (Score:2) 02Re:No - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 441 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:59:49] <exec> 08└─Because as we all know, innocent people never get abused by the government. As soon as you're employed by the government, you become a perfect being incapable of breaking the law, making mistakes, or succumbing to basic human nature that every other government in the history of the world was subject...
[22:59:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03e_armadillo [3695] (Score:2) 02Re:No - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 134 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:59:51] <exec> 08└─Yeah, and stashing a decoy thumb drive to distract from your real thumb drive is going to make the situation soooooo much better . . .
[22:59:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:No - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 47 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:59:52] <exec> 08└─You are smarter than everyone else, aren't you?
[22:59:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03e_armadillo [3695] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:No - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 2 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:59:54] <exec> 08└─No
[22:59:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Mr Big in the Pants [4956] (Score:2) 02Re:No - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:59:56] <exec> 08└─I have a feeling that 90% of viewers would call that a 100% redundant answer to a hypothetical question...
[22:59:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anal Pumpernickel [776] (Score:2) 02Re:No - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 108 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:59:58] <exec> 08└─I didn't say anything like that. I'd say a better bet is to use strong encryption whenever possible, though.
[22:59:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03e_armadillo [3695] (Score:2) 02Re:No - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 173 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[22:59:59] <exec> 08└─Sorry, I took your reply in the context of the fork this discussion fell into. In terms of keeping private shit private, I agree 100% -- encryption is the far superior away.
[23:00:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03e_armadillo [3695] (Score:2) 02Re:No - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 46 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:01] <exec> 08└─far superior *way. knew I should preview . . .
[23:00:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Flamebait) 02Re:No - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 112 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:03] <exec> 08└─God allows men to have female children as their mates: Deuteronomy 22 28-29, hebrew. Feminists should be killed.
[23:00:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Funny) 02Re:No - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 131 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:05] <exec> 08└─Ahhh man! What's wrong with you? You've lost your mojo. Its like you are just going through the motions now. Do you need some love?
[23:00:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03Azuma Hazuki [5086] (Score:1) 02Re:No - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 248 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:06] <exec> 08└─I'd love to see you try that shit with me, Fizzbuzz. I'm six feet tall, wear steel-toed mens' workboots for the comfort, and am well-trained in the ancient and dishonorable art of kicknutsu. Assuming yours have dropped, anyway, you're going down...
[23:00:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Funny) 02Re:The lesson? - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 87 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:08] <exec> 08└─Just hide your flash drive in the baggie with your pot. Fido will never smell it there.
[23:00:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Whoever [4524] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Am I the only one who doubts this? - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 199 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:10] <exec> 08└─Do flash drives really have that unique a smell that a dog can identify it and not all the other plastic items in a house? I am very skeptical. Perhaps there has been some parallel construction here.
[23:00:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Francis [5544] (Score:1) 02Re:Am I the only one who doubts this? - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 209 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:12] <exec> 08└─The dog is probably picking up on the chemicals that are used to produce silicon chips. The chemicals used to produce plastics are going to be completely different from the ones that are used to produce chips.
[23:00:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Whoever [4524] (Score:2) 02Re:Am I the only one who doubts this? - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 74 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:14] <exec> 08└─Did you not notice how the silicon chips are entirely enclosed in plastic?
[23:00:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03etherscythe [937] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Am I the only one who doubts this? - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 270 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:15] <exec> 08└─Hypothetical exercise: drop your average flash drive in water. Leave it submerged for a minute. Does it still work? Doubt it! Air permeates better than water, as well. Smells are going to seep out. And that's assuming there isn't residue on the outside from the factory.
[23:00:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:Am I the only one who doubts this? - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 172 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:17] <exec> 08└─> Perhaps there has been some parallel construction here. What would be the point? TFA says they had a warrant and they had already done a conventional search of the house.
[23:00:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Am I the only one who doubts this? - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 600 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:19] <exec> 08└─> Do flash drives really have that unique a smell that a dog can identify it and not all the other plastic items in a house? dog's noses are incredibly discriminatory. They can smell low blood sugar, they can smell cancer inside a person before there is enough to show up on a scan.different plastics...
[23:00:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03_NSAKEY [16] (Score:2) 02Everything that's old is new again. - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 95 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:00:20] <exec> 08└─This is just like Lucky and Flo, the counterfeit DVD-sniffing dogs in Malaysia [wikipedia.org].
[23:00:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score:2) 02Re:Everything that's old is new again. - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 396 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:22] <exec> 08└─Although the dogs are sponsored and publicized on the premise that they can detect counterfeit DVDs, they have no ability to distinguish between counterfeit DVDs and any other polycarbonate optical disc. The dogs' abilities were first demonstrated in May 2006 at the FedEx shipping hub at London Stan...
[23:00:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:4, Interesting) 02Re:Everything that's old is new again. - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 978 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:24] <exec> 08└─It pretty much doesn't matter if the dogs could tell counterfeit vs legit, or if the Fogle dogs could smell porn or just any thumb drive. The police ALREADY had a search warrant at the time the dog was employed. Innocuous CDs or thumb drives wouldn't be hidden. So undeclared CDs are "suspect" in Fed...
[23:00:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Everything that's old is new again. - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 12 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:26] <exec> 08└─You mad bro?
[23:00:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Everything that's old is new again. - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 123 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:27] <exec> 08└─The police ALREADY had a search warrant at the time the dog was employed. Innocuous CDs or thumb drives wouldn't be hidden.
[23:00:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03tangomargarine [667] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Everything that's old is new again. - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 72 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:29] <exec> 08└─Why are you so up in arms about this? You let NBC play you with a title?
[23:00:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02And nothing of value was gained. - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 324 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:00:31] <exec> 08└─Sounds like they just caught another person who looked at images and videos. Apparently he also had sex with some 17 year old prostitute (The most horrible crime of all...). Unless he actually raped someone, this isn't going to change a damn thing. The people who actually rape people to make this st...
[23:00:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Informative) 02Re:And nothing of value was gained. - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 449 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:33] <exec> 08└─I was wondering about that. Seems like it was worse - actively soliciting for sex with girls as young as 14. Some people will make an argument that's not pedophilia since they are past the age of menses. But he is also accused of encouraging the director of his charity to make hidden-cam videos of...
[23:00:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Informative) 02Re:And nothing of value was gained. - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:34] <exec> 08└─Some people will make an argument that's not pedophilia since they are past the age of menses.
[23:00:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:And nothing of value was gained. - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 392 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:36] <exec> 08└─No. Just stop. Age of consent is not the same as age of puberty. OK? And taking porn photos/movies requires age of majority in most sane nations. OK? These are not difficult concepts to realize. Laws exist to protect kids from predators, be that other people, or sadly, even their own family. In some...
[23:00:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03shortscreen [2252] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:And nothing of value was gained. - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 267 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:38] <exec> 08└─The post you replied to was about two things: semantics, and morality. You completely ignored the issue of semantics and went ahead using broad, loaded terms "kids" and "predators." You completely dodged the issue of morality by talking about laws instead. Well done.
[23:00:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anal Pumpernickel [776] (Score:2) 02Re:And nothing of value was gained. - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 166 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:39] <exec> 08└─You speak of law, not morality or whether or not the definitions presented were correct. And taking porn photos/movies requires age of majority in most sane nations.
[23:00:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anal Pumpernickel [776] (Score:2) 02Re:And nothing of value was gained. - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 326 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:41] <exec> 08└─A pedophile is someone who is sexually attracted to prepubescent people. Not sure how someone could disagree with that, yet the media, normal people, and even politicians often do not understand what it actually means. A pedophile is not necessarily a rapist, for one. There is plenty thats immoral...
[23:00:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03DeathMonkey [1380] (Score:2) 02Re:And nothing of value was gained. - 06Porn-Sniffing Dog Helped Bring Down Subway Star Jared Fogle - 234 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:43] <exec> 08└─Its not pedophilia, for the exact reason you give. Legal terms are defined in the context (or, the actual text) of the laws in question. This is like going into a Computer Science class and arguing that a pointer is a type of dog.
[23:00:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Insightful) 02Yay for short-sighted methodology - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 138 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:00:45] <exec> 08└─The Root reports that “Almost half of Americans who bothered to tweet anything about their police department had a negative comment ”
[23:00:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03SunTzuWarmaster [3971] (Score:2, Insightful) 02Re:Yay for short-sighted methodology - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 1434 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:46] <exec> 08└─It can be done right; an example might include relative rankings of airlines. No airline has good reviews (people that tweet about airlines aren't tweeting about hot stewards or tasty peanuts; airlines that leave on time and arrive on time don't get tweets), but, scaled and taken in summation, they...
[23:00:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03SunTzuWarmaster [3971] (Score:2, Insightful) 02Re:Yay for short-sighted methodology - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 1461 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:48] <exec> 08└─(should have used Preview) It can be done right; an example might include relative rankings of airlines. No airline has good reviews (people that tweet about airlines aren't tweeting about hot stewards or tasty peanuts; airlines that leave on time and arrive on time don't get tweets), but, scaled an...
[23:00:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Yay for short-sighted methodology - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 101 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:50] <exec> 08└─That said, the authors didn't scale their per-city results by population, or by percentage of traffic
[23:00:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anal Pumpernickel [776] (Score:2) 02Re:Yay for short-sighted methodology - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 372 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:52] <exec> 08└─High crime areas are always going to be unhappy with the cops because they have to deal with the cops more often, and therefore know just how often cops unjustly abuse people's rights while the ones who don't do the abuses themselves defend or cover for the ones who do. It's not just about cops murd...
[23:00:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Yay for short-sighted methodology - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 98 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:53] <exec> 08└─Short sighted, or more purposeful framing to support Politically Correct propaganda? [youtube.com]
[23:00:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score:2) 02Re:Yay for short-sighted methodology - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 1872 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:55] <exec> 08└─I do have a twitter account that I barely ever use at all -- I'm getting old after all -- and I haven't tweeted about my distrust and disrespect for cops, although maybe complete disgust and utter contempt would be a better word for what felt after reading this article yesterday: http://www.nationof...
[23:00:56] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03TrumpetPower! [590] 02They're all rotten. - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 297 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:00:57] <exec> 08└─“It’s not as if this stuff hasn’t been going on all along for decades, but now it’s being captured for the world to see, and the few bad apples being captured on camera are ruining the entire tree of law enforcement,” says Hassan Giordano, 39, and a candidate for Baltimore City Council.
[23:00:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Troll) 02Re:They're all rotten. - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 75 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:00:59] <exec> 08└─Fuck you feminist cunt. Hans Reiser did nothing wrong. Marry girl children.
[23:00:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score:2) 02Re:They're all rotten. - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 362 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:00] <exec> 08└─Aside from that, who else is there call except the cops? It isn't like there are two competing police organizations, one inept, violent, and bullying, and the other skilled, rational, and fair-minded. When you're car gets stolen and you need to make an insurance claim, you have to file a police repo...
[23:01:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:They're all rotten. - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 256 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:02] <exec> 08└─> When you're car gets stolen and you need to make an insurance claim, you have to file a police report The people with the most to fear from the cops are the least likely to have any kind of insurance beyond liability, if they can afford insurance at all.
[23:01:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheGratefulNet [659] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:They're all rotten. - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 279 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:04] <exec> 08└─I think it was the old comedian, jackie mason (?) who had a schtick about 'cops and crooks'. something along the lines of: "I worry more about cops than crooks. if I have a problem with a crook, I can call the cops; but if I have a problem with the cops, who do I call, a crook?"
[23:01:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score:2) 02Re:They're all rotten. - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 3344 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:06] <exec> 08└─Regarding your last point: http://www.nationofchange.org [nationofchange.org] The family of a mentally ill man released a video this week depicting Los Angeles Sheriff’s Deputies shooting their son to death. Instead of att...
[23:01:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score:2) 02Re:They're all rotten. - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 259 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:07] <exec> 08└─That video is so fucked up. Pigs -- the lot of them. It's things like this make me feel as much sympathy for the cops I hear about getting killed in the line of duty, as I feel when I hear about some violent gang-banger getting killed in the line of his duty.
[23:01:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03zugedneb [4556] (Score:2) 02Re:They're all rotten. - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 206 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:09] <exec> 08└─holy shit... what a fucked up nation... in other parts of the world, they have generations old conflicts/poverty/criminality, so they have an excuse... but only in US get random people executed like this...
[23:01:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:They're all rotten. - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 122 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:11] <exec> 08└─So long as the "thin blue line" holds fast, the "good" cops are knowing accomplices in the crimes of their "bad" brothers.
[23:01:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03HiThere [866] (Score:2) 02Re:They're all rotten. - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 379 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:13] <exec> 08└─I'm not sure that the tazer is ANY improvement over the gun. The warning that "Since it's non-lethal, it will be used when it shouldn't be used" has proven true so very often that I generally think they should be restricted to animal control officers or some such. Or maybe just totally banned. (It's...
[23:01:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:They're all rotten. - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 601 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:15] <exec> 08└─Its pretty non-lethal, as long as there is only one available. When 4 or 6 cops all deploy them at once, you can kill people. The battery should be limited, and logic built into it to prevent the abusive use you hear about. With out tasers you have only truncheons and batons, which can be just as le...
[23:01:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:They're all rotten. - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 62 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:16] <exec> 08└─Its pretty non-lethal, as long as there is only one available.
[23:01:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03tathra [3367] (Score:2) 02Re:They're all rotten. - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 87 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:18] <exec> 08└─and would probably be gang members if they had taken a slightly different path in life.
[23:01:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:They're all rotten. - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 372 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:20] <exec> 08└─It's basically a false dichotomy they're putting forth. 'Either you can criticize the cops for their actions and never call them, or you worship the cops and can call them without being a hypocrite.' It's obvious bullshit; too bad some people fall for it. They essentially just want cops to be above...
[23:01:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03archfeld [4650] (Score:3, Insightful) 02SAD - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 629 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:01:22] <exec> 08└─No one is ever happy to see a cop. Either they are stopping you for doing something wrong or stupid, or they are present in response to something bad, while firemen are ALWAYS the heroes. Too bad the media continues to perpetuate the negatives while ignoring the many, many lives cops save. 780,000 c...
[23:01:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:SAD - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 539 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:23] <exec> 08└─Crazy insane startup-like idea, they should team up. Yeah yeah I know long tradition all that BS. One org for police / fire / ambulance sounds like it would help a lot of social ills. Never met a fireman or EMT that I didn't like. Cops, well... Averaging out would help. It would probably help the "p...
[23:01:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:SAD - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 388 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:25] <exec> 08└─Its been tried. (It was a popular idea in Canada for a while). But it is very difficult to get the same exact bodies trained in all those disciplines. Training time is too long just to get certified in each. So you are stuck with a joint command and support structure with specialists in each area. I...
[23:01:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03wolfinator [3173] (Score:2, Insightful) 02Re:SAD - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 623 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:27] <exec> 08└─And yet, half the time a cop is found to be beating someone, violating someone's rights, or just generally being a dick - there's one or more of his buddies standing around with their thumbs up their asses. Or worse yet, participating. Whenever specific abuses are noted in the media, you guys are ne...
[23:01:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:SAD - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 131 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:29] <exec> 08└─> People will start believing you when you start HOLDING YOUR FELLOW OFFICERS ACCOUNTABLE. Officer, police thyself! [wikipedia.org]
[23:01:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03archfeld [4650] (Score:2) 02Re:SAD - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 156 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:30] <exec> 08└─You want to blindly lump any other generalities in to that statement with out any factual support ? or do you just prefer to spout crap all over the place ?
[23:01:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:SAD - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 69 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:32] <exec> 08└─Note I come from a cop family and was myself a former Deputy Sherriff
[23:01:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03archfeld [4650] (Score:1) 02Re:SAD - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 422 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:34] <exec> 08└─I was, and am a FORMER DS because of the crap and the life being a law enforcement officer forced on me. Being hated for showing up and stopping John Doe from beating his wife Jane while having to defend myself from Jane the instant we arrived on scene began to wear on me. My not being able to hang...
[23:01:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:SAD - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 143 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:36] <exec> 08└─Again, changing the topic and not addressing the issue raised. When people complain about cops, you are one of them they're complaining about.
[23:01:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:SAD - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 92 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:37] <exec> 08└─How many times did you help the other cops hide their crimes? I know it's a non zero number.
[23:01:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score:2, Informative) 02Re:SAD - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 158 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:39] <exec> 08└─So were you a total corrupt dick? If not, how many total corrupt dicks did you turn in? If the answer is zero, you were a total corrupt dick. Maybe still are.
[23:01:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03archfeld [4650] (Score:1) 02Re:SAD - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 349 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:41] <exec> 08└─A wee bit judgmental and a fucktard as well. Nice to see you make snap character judgments based on 2 paragraphs. I can state that had I known any "corrupt total dicks", besides yourself, I would have reported them, but I only encountered some overly aggressive bullies who were failed cop-wannabes w...
[23:01:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score:2) 02Re:SAD - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:43] <exec> 08└─Hard to believe the word of anyone who has been or is a cop.
[23:01:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03archfeld [4650] (Score:2) 02Re:SAD - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 133 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:45] <exec> 08└─Also hard not to dismiss anyone who, in the face of discussion resorts to personal attacks and name calling at the first opportunity.
[23:01:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:SAD - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 26 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:46] <exec> 08└─I would have reported them
[23:01:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheRaven [270] (Score:2) 02Re:SAD - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 119 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:48] <exec> 08└─Or maybe he worked in a police department that wasn't corrupt. They seem pretty rare in the USA, but less so elsewhere.
[23:01:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03hemocyanin [186] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:SAD - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:50] <exec> 08└─Either they are stopping you for doing something wrong or stupid, or they are present in response to something bad
[23:01:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03archfeld [4650] (Score:1) 02Re:SAD - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 284 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:52] <exec> 08└─OK I can't argue that issue but in the scope of the numbers I posted that is a TINY, TINY fraction, and cops are just people, there are assholes in every profession, and BORDER PATROL are not cops in my mind but federally employed minimum wage thugs. I still stand by my statements...
[23:01:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:SAD - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 857 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:53] <exec> 08└─You stand by your statements that the cops are, in essence, always in the right? Even when the cop dropped the taser after murdering that guy, and then claimed there was a struggle over it? That was an outright lie You realise that there is a backlash against police for a reason, right? The police a...
[23:01:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:SAD - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 302 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:55] <exec> 08└─> BORDER PATROL are not cops in my mind but federally employed minimum wage thugs. They can arrest people, they have qualified immunity, they are cops. You should consider why its that you can see a problem with a group you want to exclude yourself from. That's practically a no true scottsman fallac...
[23:01:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anal Pumpernickel [776] (Score:2) 02Re:SAD - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 581 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:57] <exec> 08└─If cops are just people, then they are susceptible to the corrupting influence of power (which we see they are) and should therefore be held to extremely high standards (which they aren't). How many cops harassed people in that nonsensical stop-and-frisk policy? That was a violation of people's cons...
[23:01:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03tathra [3367] (Score:2) 02Re:SAD - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 110 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:01:58] <exec> 08└─780,000 cops in the US and 300,000,000 people interact everyday with a few bad encounters spoiling everything.
[23:01:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03wonkey_monkey [279] (Score:2) 02Re:SAD - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 172 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:00] <exec> 08└─You're assuming every single one of those 780,000 cops has a corrupt coworker. Sounds to me like you've already formed your favoured conclusion and you're sticking with it.
[23:02:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03archfeld [4650] (Score:2) 02WOW - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 272 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:02] <exec> 08└─generalize much ? What have you done to help the situation besides hurls stones ? Have you ever tried joining a civilian over-site panel or done ANYTHING but whine in a public forum ? I'd bet not. Every citizen who sits idly by and does nothing is just as much to blame...
[23:02:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03RedBear [1734] (Score:2) 02Re:SAD - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 157 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:04] <exec> 08└─Statistically the police in the US are amongst the best in the world and do an awesome job but that doesn't sell advertisements or make the networks money...
[23:02:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03archfeld [4650] (Score:2) 02Re:SAD - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 912 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:06] <exec> 08└─I can't argue your point because it is true. I can honestly say the worst thing I personally ever witnessed was cops accepting food and stuff from local vendors to hang around at their place in after hours. Maybe it was because I spent very little time in uniform, less than 2 years. Bottom line is y...
[23:02:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:SAD - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 504 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:07] <exec> 08└─Having nothing to hide as a cop I'd welcome body cam and third parties footage, provided that the latter gets examined by courts before being broadcast so that investigations do not suffer from it. The desire for privacy from public servants is ridiculous. Having said that, all my encounters with po...
[23:02:08] <exec> *** new comment: 03TheRaven [270] (Score:2) 02Re:SAD - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 34 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:09] <exec> 08└─No one is ever happy to see a cop.
[23:02:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03bzipitidoo [4388] (Score:4, Insightful) 02when police become revenuers, mobsters - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 1836 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:02:11] <exec> 08└─Of course the police are going to be hated when they allow their primary mission to be perverted into revenue generation. To add to the problem, many cities have stupidly accepted this idea that you don't want police officers to be too smart. Dim witted people tend to be more bigoted and more into p...
[23:02:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:4, Interesting) 02Re:when police become revenuers, mobsters - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 2068 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:13] <exec> 08└─I've been through a DUI checkpoint once and my passenger started recording the audio (we both knew it was illegal as we are both lawyers). The cop says, "Hello, can I have your license and registration please?" I replied, "Am I free to go or am I being detained?" He said, "No, you aren't being detai...
[23:02:13] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03hemocyanin [186] 02Re:when police become revenuers, mobsters - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 75 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:14] <exec> 08└─the officers should know when they can and cannot stop people from leaving.
[23:02:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:2) 02Re:when police become revenuers, mobsters - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 141 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:16] <exec> 08└─Stuff like this makes my blood boil. People in government positions certainly do think citizens are serfs to be exploited and abused at will.
[23:02:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anal Pumpernickel [776] (Score:2) 02Re:when police become revenuers, mobsters - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:18] <exec> 08└─True I may have created the problem by driving off
[23:02:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:when police become revenuers, mobsters - 06Analysis of Tweets Shows Disapproval of Police - 348 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:19] <exec> 08└─What I was trying to say is many people might defend the police by saying I was the proximate cause. Therefore I started that sentence with an agreeing tone, only to point out that the officer was not only a cause sine qua non, but more proximate than I. Perhaps I had my lawyer hat on too tight and...
[23:02:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0, Redundant) 02Why shouldn't it violate the laws? - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 41 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:02:21] <exec> 08└─It violates everyone and everything else!
[23:02:22] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] 02Re:Why shouldn't it violate the laws? - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 65 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:23] <exec> 08└─Do not fold, spindle, or mutilate. Violation is just fine though.
[23:02:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:-1, Redundant) 02How to protect your privacy on Windows 10 - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:02:25] <exec> 08└─http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/z/scissors-cutting-computer-ethernet-network-cable-23301676.jpg [dreamstime.com]
[23:02:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Informative) 02Re:How to protect your privacy on Windows 10 - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 141 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:26] <exec> 08└─Better yet, don't feed the pigs... https://www.linux.com [linux.com]
[23:02:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Freeman [732] (Score:2) 02Re:How to protect your privacy on Windows 10 - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:28] <exec> 08└─While that list is obviously subject to the Author's bias, it is a good list of great Linux distributions.
[23:02:29] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03danomac [979] 02Include Windows 7 as well - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 102 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:02:30] <exec> 08└─They should include Windows 7 too, seeing as they've added these telemetry updates via Windows Update.
[23:02:31] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Anonymous Coward 02Re:Include Windows 7 as well - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 1310 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:32] <exec> 08└─Obligatory list of updates to remove: KB2652664 Compatibility update for upgrading Windows 7 KB2976978 Compatibility update for Windows 8.1 and Windows 8 KB3080149 Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry KB3068708 Update for customer experience and diagnostic telemetry KB3022345 Upda...
[23:02:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Include Windows 7 as well - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 33 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:33] <exec> 08└─Now muh pewter duznt werk. Thanx.
[23:02:34] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Hyperturtle [2824] 02Re:Include Windows 7 as well - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 1743 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:35] <exec> 08└─I approve of this list; I had made a text file that is essentially the same (all the same KBs if not more due to paranoia, but this list is not overkill and won't harm regular usage)... I check my list every time updates come out... and check to make sure these KB's are not unhidden unexpectedly (an...
[23:02:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03mojo chan [266] (Score:2) 02Re:Include Windows 7 as well - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 249 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:37] <exec> 08└─Is there a way to make this into a script, and perhaps block those updates via registry keys? No point waiting for them to appear and checking every time if you can just create a registry key and marks them as hidden before they are even pushed out.
[23:02:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03Jiro [3176] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:Include Windows 7 as well - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 122 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:39] <exec> 08└─You listed 2652664. This is not real; it's a typo for 2952664, which you also list separately. Also, you left out 2977759.
[23:02:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03acharax [4264] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Include Windows 7 as well - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 138 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:40] <exec> 08└─It's also missing kb3075851, a recent WUSO update that had no description as to what it does and unhides itself. So possibly also related.
[23:02:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03zocalo [302] (Score:2) 02Re:Include Windows 7 as well - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 202 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:42] <exec> 08└─Might as well look dig up all the other anti-competetive stuff the EU have successfully slapped MS on the wrist for that has slowly been backed out with successive versions of Windows too, come to that.
[23:02:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03skullz [2532] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Google too? - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 88 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:02:44] <exec> 08└─Wouldn't this also apply to Android, Chrome Books, and anything Google as well? AdWords?
[23:02:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Interesting) 02Re:Google too? - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 149 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:46] <exec> 08└─Let's hope so. But those, at least, aren't accused of being a key logger with an OS as an add-on. Win10 is probably a ready-made HIPPA violation too.
[23:02:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03skullz [2532] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Google too? - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 51 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:47] <exec> 08└─Win10 is probably a ready-made HIPPA violation too.
[23:02:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Google too? - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 109 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:49] <exec> 08└─s/HIPPA/HIPAA [wikipedia.org]/ (Do not apply regex to discussions about decapod crustaceans [wikipedia.org].)
[23:02:50] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:Google too? - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 318 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:51] <exec> 08└─Did not mean for regular users, I meant for healthcare providers - the desktop at the nurse's station for example. You can't have that computer sending every keystroke to MS. If MS has a way to make Win10 HIPAA compliant for their commercial customers, we should be able to apply the same changes to...
[23:02:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:Google too? - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 229 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:52] <exec> 08└─It's not just about the sites you visit. Imagine a computer in a medical establishment running Windows10 (or Win8 / Win7 with these updates). Even enterprise reports back to M$ telemetry servers, but we're not sure what just yet.
[23:02:53] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03edIII [791] 02Re:Google too? - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 2373 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:54] <exec> 08└─You've brought up a pretty good point beyond HIPPA I think. If Microsoft is keylogging *everything*, then it stands to reason that the collectors themselves must comply with *all* laws such as HIPPA. Whatever federal laws exist must be complied with as well, in addition to the laws of *every* countr...
[23:02:55] <exec> *** new comment: 03Hairyfeet [75] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:Google too? - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 997 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:56] <exec> 08└─This is what irritates me about those that attack the Windows 10 spying and then in the very same breath offers Chromebooks and Android tablets as a viable alternative...DaFuq? Don't they realize that Google's entire business relies on datamining and that they have been stealing from MSFT's playbook...
[23:02:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Google too? - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 489 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:58] <exec> 08└─You would be a lot easier to take seriously if you actually listed the problems you have, rather than just saying "but Google", just like a certain MS ad. For example, I have an Android tablet and no Google account (i.e. I didn't give them permission to track me). What does my Android track? You can...
[23:02:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03skullz [2532] (Score:2) 02Re:Google too? - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 274 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:02:59] <exec> 08└─True but the majority of "ZOMG Microsoft is spying on me!!!1one" things can be disabled if you turn off settings and don't use a Microsoft account. You don't get Cortana, you don't get cross device contacts, WiFi passwords, preferences, etc. Location services are right out.
[23:03:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:3, Insightful) 02The hysterics and the shills are working together - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 291 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:03:01] <exec> 08└─it's pretty much impossible to get a real, clear and reliable picture of what's going on with windows 10 and how to cope with it. Same for modern computing in general. There's gotta be a middle road between the cybermen and the tinfoil hat brigade, but fuck if I can figure out what it is...
[23:03:02] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Francis [5544] 02Re:The hysterics and the shills are working togeth - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 140 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:03] <exec> 08└─That's why I'm in the tinfoil brigade, by the time we know where that medium lies, it's likely going to be too late to do anything about it.
[23:03:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:The hysterics and the shills are working togeth - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 115 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:05] <exec> 08└─http://www.blackviper.com/service-configurations/black-vipers-windows-10-service-configurations/ [blackviper.com] ?
[23:03:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0, Funny) 02Re:The hysterics and the shills are working togeth - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 136 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:06] <exec> 08└─Wow, I haven't used that site since XP days. Good to see they keep up with the times, even though I ditched winsucks for Linux after XP.
[23:03:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03Hairyfeet [75] (Score:2, Disagree) 02Re:The hysterics and the shills are working togeth - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 460 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:08] <exec> 08└─Informative? Really mods? Didn't click on the link I take it? Because if you did you would see, and normally I like Black Viper but in this case he came up with the default settings list by taking pics at Best Buy with his phone, he even writes "Seriously. That is what I did" so even HE knows how fr...
[23:03:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03EQ [1716] (Score:4, Informative) 02Re:The hysterics and the shills are working togeth - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 875 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:10] <exec> 08└─Really HairyFeet? Did you actually read the article at the link or just skim it? Your comment is misleading. Here' ill post a verbatim quote This information is based upon the Windows 10 desktop versions released July 29, 2015 ... Notes for Surface 3 and Surface 3 Pro users: The Safe and Tweaked co...
[23:03:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0, Insightful) 02Re:The hysterics and the shills are working togeth - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 606 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:12] <exec> 08└─You deride privacy advocates as the "tinfoil hat brigade", but that is just a smear term. We already know that companies have absolutely no qualms about violating users' rights if it means they can make more money, and we already know that many users tend not to care about privacy issues. Those two...
[23:03:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03Common Joe [33] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:The hysterics and the shills are working togeth - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 517 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:14] <exec> 08└─We can't get a clear picture because Microsoft is not giving us a clear picture. And history has proven that when an entity is not giving us a clear picture, it's a very good thing to be suspicious. It usually means they are purposely misleading us or incompetent. Microsoft is so large, it is probab...
[23:03:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Hairyfeet [75] (Score:4, Interesting) 02Re:The hysterics and the shills are working togeth - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 667 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:15] <exec> 08└─Its actually pretty simple and as I suggested might make for a hell of a scoop for Soylent. All you have to do is 1.- Install a legit version of Windows 10 (since Insider versions cannot use privacy settings), 2.- Use a tool such as one of these [ghacks.net] and finally 3.- Analyze the traffic comin...
[23:03:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03inertnet [4071] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Might work - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 273 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:03:17] <exec> 08└─This might work for the EU too, because it's a plutocracy disguised as a democracy, while the USA is a corporatocracy disguised as a democracy. So it makes sense that all these privacy violating ideas are made up in the USA, but sometimes get a slap on the wrist by the EU.
[23:03:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Might work - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 86 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:19] <exec> 08└─.. and Switzerland is a bank disguised as a country. Oh, and it is not part of the EU.
[23:03:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03SomeGuy [5632] (Score:2, Insightful) 02Should violate US laws. - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 256 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:03:20] <exec> 08└─What I find more troublesome is that this Microsoft spyware isn't in violation of US laws. Yea, yea, I know, the US laws are purchased and written by the powerful corporations. But they aren't even pretending they aren't the ones running the show any more.
[23:03:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Should violate US laws. - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 90 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:22] <exec> 08└─What I find more troublesome is that this Microsoft spyware isn't in violation of US laws.
[23:03:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03fido_dogstoyevsky [131] (Score:3, Touché) 02Re:Should violate US laws. - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 102 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:24] <exec> 08└─The spyware wasn't their idea, it was forced on them by the DEA/NSA; they had no choice but to comply.
[23:03:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02Re:Should violate US laws. - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 284 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:26] <exec> 08└─This is what happens when you feed a stoner scrambled eggs, and a clear indication of why europe should have pushed the TTIP treaty through much quicker than they did - if TTIP had been signed and in law by the time W10 was launched, there wouldn't be any privacy laws to worry about.
[23:03:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03francois.barbier [651] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Switzerland is too small by itself - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 53 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:03:27] <exec> 08└─Personal opinion: Switzerland is too small by itself.
[23:03:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03NCommander [2] (Score:2) 02Re:Switzerland is too small by itself - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 146 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:29] <exec> 08└─The problem is more specifically that the cost in Microsoft's mind of changing Windows is higher than the cost of being banned out of the country.
[23:03:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Interesting) 02just more features removed from N Edition - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 425 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:03:31] <exec> 08└─I installed Windows 10 "N Edition" in a VM the other day, but then I wanted to play some MP3 files in Microsoft Edge, so I downloaded and installed the "Media Feature Pack" which restores all the features removed from N Edition. Removing the privacy-invasive features of Windows 10 from specific edit...
[23:03:32] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02hey... - 06Windows 10 may Violate European Privacy Laws - 161 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:03:33] <exec> 08└─Wait a second they actually opened up a port and let me put as much data in as I like? All from 'different' machines? Oh that will end well. For their servers...
[23:03:34] <exec> *** new comment: 03VLM [445] (Score:3, Insightful) 02limit control - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 641 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:03:35] <exec> 08└─How you'd limit control to just (non-crooked) cops is a total mystery, once you open it to anyone. One interesting thing that'll happen with self driving cars is culture jamming and ruining stuff just to see the would burn. There's an old military saying that you can stop a tank with a could bedshee...
[23:03:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03ikanreed [3164] (Score:3, Touché) 02Re:limit control - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 137 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:36] <exec> 08└─The same way we limit the power of crooked cops to pull you over and ticket you: barely at all through a complex and opaque legal system.
[23:03:37] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:4, Insightful) 02Re:limit control - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 831 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:38] <exec> 08└─Crooked or not, in each case, the decision to pull over or make a run for it is up to the driver. This is why there has to be someone in the vehicle capable of hitting a button telling the car to make a safe stop. This idea that you can throw your toddlers in the car and tell it to take them to gran...
[23:03:39] <exec> *** new comment: 03Joe Desertrat [2454] (Score:2) 02Re:limit control - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 248 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:40] <exec> 08└─There are many jurisdictions where from time to time, the police departments will recommend that you call 911 to verify that the officer attempting to pull you over is a valid officer, and not some rapist with a costume and a RadioShack red lights.
[23:03:41] <exec> *** new comment: 03Francis [5544] (Score:1) 02Re:limit control - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 859 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:41] <exec> 08└─That's bad advice. You're legally required to pull to the side of the road when you see those lights. It doesn't matter whether they're trying to stop you or somebody else. And in cases like that I see no reason why the police shouldn't be able to make the car do it. The only concerns I have here ar...
[23:03:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03dltaylor [4693] (Score:3, Informative) 02drivers should proceed until relatively safe - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 305 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:43] <exec> 08└─Back when there was a serial killer on I-15 near San Diego (turned out to be a then-active CHP officer), the recommended guidelines FROM THE CHP was to only pull over somewhere well-lit and populated. This works for the officers, too, since they are less likely to be shot at under the same circumsta...
[23:03:44] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:limit control - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 106 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:45] <exec> 08└─I have a hard time believing that it's so common as to warrant refusing to stop and calling 911 to verify.
[23:03:46] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:limit control - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 118 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:47] <exec> 08└─The difference is, simply standing in front of a driver-less car would be sufficient to force its programming to stop.
[23:03:48] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anal Pumpernickel [776] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Absolutely none. - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 440 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:48] <exec> 08└─If you don't control your car, your car controls you. If the cops can control your car, that likely means lots of non-free proprietary software was used, and therefore the car can't be trusted. I hope no one will be dumb enough to buy a car like that. Who knows what other anti-features it would cont...
[23:03:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:2, Interesting) 02Opportunities for criminals - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 575 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:03:50] <exec> 08└─Abducting a person was never easier: As "policeman" (doesn't need to be credible, bust contain the triggers the car's software reacts to) just instruct the car to follow you. But then, there will likely a software interface for the police to take over the car. Probably built into the police cars. Wh...
[23:03:51] <exec> *** new comment: 03tftp [806] (Score:2, Interesting) 02Re:Opportunities for criminals - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 198 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:52] <exec> 08└─But then, there will likely a software interface for the police to take over the car. Probably built into the police cars. Which of course could never get stolen and then used for other purposes …
[23:03:53] <exec> *** new comment: 03Alfred [4006] (Score:2) 02My first and second responses - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 666 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:03:54] <exec> 08└─My first response is that they get no control of my property without my approval or a warrant. My second response is that if there has to be a yes for some reason(mandated by law?) then a person must be able to do all of the following (among other things) before being considered: 1) Successfully se...
[23:03:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2, Disagree) 02Re:My first and second responses - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:55] <exec> 08└─My first response is that they get no control of my property without my approval or a warrant.
[23:03:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03Alfred [4006] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:My first and second responses - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 1596 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:57] <exec> 08└─The cases to keep owner control are real, the cases that justify cop override are rare and the vast majority of driving cases show the functionality is a waste. If I am speeding on the way to the hospital ER (with a gunshot wound or cliché wife about to give birth) I want to keep driving until at...
[23:03:58] <exec> *** new comment: 03kurenai.tsubasa [5227] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:My first and second responses - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 183 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:03:59] <exec> 08└─If I am speeding on the way to the hospital ER (with a gunshot wound or cliché wife about to give birth) I want to keep driving until at the ER. Give me the ticket when we get there.
[23:04:00] <exec> *** new comment: 03mhajicek [51] (Score:3, Informative) 02Re:My first and second responses - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 223 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:01] <exec> 08└─The difference being that your car is right there; the ambulance is not. I'm five minutes from a hospital without speeding or running a red. I could get there before they could get to me, counting talking and dispatch time.
[23:04:02] <exec> *** new comment: 03Alfred [4006] (Score:2) 02Re:My first and second responses - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 279 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:02] <exec> 08└─Yup, and I was thinking about the more extreme case where in the country you are 30+ minutes from the nearest hospital. Waiting 30 for the ambulance to show up when you could just go to the hospital in the same time. Of course in the country the traffic is not much of a problem.
[23:04:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03kurenai.tsubasa [5227] (Score:2) 02Re:My first and second responses - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 257 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:04] <exec> 08└─Well, I am not 5 minutes from a hospital. There is, however, an ambulance 5 minutes from me. Sometimes even 30 seconds from me when they park at a nearby big box store. I know we're all Internet Tough Guys and Amazons here, but the ambulance will be faster.
[23:04:05] <exec> *** new comment: 03mhajicek [51] (Score:2) 02Re:My first and second responses - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 136 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:06] <exec> 08└─If the ambulance is near you, you would have the advantage of trained and experienced EMTs with equipment to stabilize before transport.
[23:04:07] <exec> *** new comment: 03kurenai.tsubasa [5227] (Score:2) 02Re:My first and second responses - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 1763 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:08] <exec> 08└─Good point! For some reason I didn't even consider that. But! Here comes Obamacare and the “religious objection.” Here's a counterpoint (to the idea that the ambulance is the better option when you know one will arrive within 5 minutes): if the person who got shot is a trans woman who doesn't pa...
[23:04:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score:4, Informative) 02Re:My first and second responses - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 136 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:09] <exec> 08└─If you are ordered to pull over by the police, you take your life in your hands when you decide to ignore the officer and not pull over.
[23:04:10] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anal Pumpernickel [776] (Score:2) 02Re:My first and second responses - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 94 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:11] <exec> 08└─My first response is that they get no control of my property without my approval or a warrant.
[23:04:12] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:My first and second responses - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 63 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:13] <exec> 08└─My first response is that they get no control of my car period.
[23:04:14] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Get a warrant. - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 195 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:04:15] <exec> 08└─That's right, wake a judge up, and get a warrant. Taking control of my vehicle is tantamount to kidnapping me. I don't CARE that you have a shiny badge and a big gun - go get your damned warrant.
[23:04:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03frojack [1554] (Score:2) 02Re:Get a warrant. - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 134 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:16] <exec> 08└─A warrant is never required for a traffic stop as long as there is probable cause. This issue is settled law, everywhere in the world.
[23:04:17] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Get a warrant. - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 270 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:18] <exec> 08└─A traffic stop requires the driver to stop voluntarily. If the driver doesn't stop, then it becomes a chase. With this technology the police could skip that step. There's also almost never a reason to stop a self-driving car other than harassment on the part of the cop.
[23:04:19] <exec> *** new comment: 03tftp [806] (Score:1) 02Re:Get a warrant. - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 107 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:20] <exec> 08└─There's also almost never a reason to stop a self-driving car other than harassment on the part of the cop.
[23:04:21] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:3, Interesting) 02Re:Get a warrant. - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 822 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:22] <exec> 08└─Sure you can find some reasons, but the overwhelming majority of stops are traffic stops, which would presumably never apply to a mature self-driving vehicle, and questionable DUI checkpoints, which also don't apply to self-driving cars. Using a self-driving car in a getaway is a terrible idea given...
[23:04:23] <exec> *** new comment: 03tftp [806] (Score:1) 02Re:Get a warrant. - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 579 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:23] <exec> 08└─This system should cover one important case: when the passenger in the car is not there :-) Such as: a self-driving car is a taxicab; or a private self-driving car was sent to pick up someone or something from somewhere. I'm sure that drive-through grocery shopping will instantly get a new life. Th...
[23:04:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03takyon [881] (Score:2) 02Re:Get a warrant. - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 118 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:25] <exec> 08└─Cyberwar will really make me cry when it kills off the driverless car. Remote stop = remote hack. Ashley Madisonmobile
[23:04:26] <exec> *** new comment: 03tftp [806] (Score:1) 02Re:Get a warrant. - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 26 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:27] <exec> 08└─Remote stop = remote hack.
[23:04:28] <exec> *** new comment: 03c0lo [156] (Score:3, Insightful) 02Re:Get a warrant. - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 60 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:29] <exec> 08└─Taking control of my vehicle is tantamount to kidnapping me.
[23:04:30] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anal Pumpernickel [776] (Score:2) 02Re:Get a warrant. - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 211 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:30] <exec> 08└─It doesn't matter if they have a warrant or not. The problem is if they have the technical capability to force your car to stop remotely or not. If they do, the cars are worthless and people should not buy them.
[23:04:31] <exec> *** new comment: 03tftp [806] (Score:1) 02Re:Get a warrant. - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 162 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:32] <exec> 08└─The problem is if they have the technical capability to force your car to stop remotely or not. If they do, the cars are worthless and people should not buy them.
[23:04:33] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anal Pumpernickel [776] (Score:2) 02Re:Get a warrant. - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 180 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:34] <exec> 08└─The police already have the capability to stop your car, remotely or in close contact. The equipment used for that is called lights, sirens, roadblocks, spike strips, and firearms.
[23:04:35] <exec> *** new comment: 03tftp [806] (Score:1) 02Re:Get a warrant. - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 50 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:36] <exec> 08└─Or I could own a normal, older car, like I do now.
[23:04:36] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anal Pumpernickel [776] (Score:2) 02Re:Get a warrant. - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 76 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:37] <exec> 08└─However a common man needs to manage his survival needs vs. his preferences.
[23:04:38] <exec> *** new comment: 03tftp [806] (Score:1) 02Re:Get a warrant. - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 61 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:39] <exec> 08└─You seem to be saying that freedom is just about preferences.
[23:04:40] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anal Pumpernickel [776] (Score:2) 02Re:Get a warrant. - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 121 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:41] <exec> 08└─Perhaps not "about," but as you can clearly see from my examples, freedom and personal preferences share the same volume.
[23:04:42] <exec> *** new comment: 03tftp [806] (Score:1) 02Re:Get a warrant. - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 192 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:43] <exec> 08└─I guess what I took objection to was the notion that survival is necessarily more important than standing up for freedom, which is how it appeared to me, and wasn't necessarily what you meant.
[23:04:43] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anal Pumpernickel [776] (Score:2) 02Re:Get a warrant. - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 267 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:44] <exec> 08└─Sorry, I mixed up the worlds. This is not how it unfolded on this Earth. Here slaves were slaving away until the world around them crumbled, and slaves one day discovered that they have no masters anymore. Rebellions of slaves were extremely rare, and not that large.
[23:04:45] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02lame - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 33 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:04:46] <exec> 08└─invalid form key. what can i say?
[23:04:47] <exec> *** new comment: 03jdavidb [5690] (Score:2) 02Privatize the Roads - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 142 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:04:48] <exec> 08└─I'm sure Dr. Walter Block would solve the problem by privatizing the roads [mises.org]. But I also like the comment that said "get a warrant."
[23:04:49] <exec> *** new comment: 03Phoenix666 [552] (Score:2) 02Zero - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 151 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:04:50] <exec> 08└─There should, however, be a provision for citizens to shut the cop car down. If 4 or more point the shutdown button at the cop, the vehicle shuts down.
[23:04:50] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03TrumpetPower! [590] 02The same as any other car - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 1443 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:04:51] <exec> 08└─Self-driving cars are being programmed with awareness of what to do when confronted with construction, detour signs, people directing traffic, and the rest -- including knowing to pull over for emergency vehicles. If a cop wants to pull over a self-driving car, just turn on the lights and siren, sam...
[23:04:52] <exec> *** new comment: 03mr_mischief [4884] (Score:2) 02Re:The same as any other car - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 333 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:53] <exec> 08└─TFS wasn't about pulling the cars over. It was about directing traffic. This happens near accidents, near schools, at large festivals, at sporting events, during motorcades, at amusement parks when they close for the night, and in some cases when business parks let out for the daily rush hour or whe...
[23:04:54] <exec> *** new comment: 03TrumpetPower! [590] (Score:2) 02Re:The same as any other car - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 265 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:55] <exec> 08└─Google's gee-whiz video demonstrations show them predicting that an invisible-to-the-passengers cyclist will run a red light and cross in front of the robot car. I somehow doubt they'll have any trouble coping with a schmuck in a reflective vest waving his arms. b&
[23:04:56] <exec> *** new comment: 03mr_mischief [4884] (Score:2) 02Re:The same as any other car - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 575 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:56] <exec> 08└─The problem then becomes what happens when some other non-police schmuck in a reflective vest starts directing cars into dark alleys, or into one another. A person driving generally does fairly well telling the difference among a cop, a legitimate construction worker, a crossing guard, some drunk id...
[23:04:57] <exec> *** new comment: 03sjames [2882] (Score:2) 02Re:The same as any other car - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 356 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:04:58] <exec> 08└─I remember several rapes perpetrated using a fake cop car in S.C. (IIRC) and the news reminding people they should proceed directly to a lighted and populated area (such as a manned gas station) ASAP if a cop tries to pull them over. The car should allow a cop car to pass if it shows lights and sire...
[23:04:59] <exec> *** new comment: 03tftp [806] (Score:1) 02Re:The same as any other car - 06How Much Control Should Police have Over Self-Driving Cars? - 120 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:05:00] <exec> 08└─And when was the last time anybody even heard of somebody stealing (or impersonating) a cop car and pulling shenanigans?
[23:05:01] <exec> *** new comment: 03AnonymousCowardNoMore [5416] (Score:3, Informative) 02What took them - 06Court Rules FTC Can Prosecute Companies Over Lax Online Security - 114 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:05:02] <exec> 08└─It's depressing to think that something this obvious and this harmful can be allowed to go unpunished for so long.
[23:05:03] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bytram [4043] (Score:2) 02Re:What took them so long? - 06Court Rules FTC Can Prosecute Companies Over Lax Online Security - 682 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:05:03] <exec> 08└─A simple solution is to codify in law that anyone who has their credit card information compromised is entitled to a payment of, say, $250 paid directly to that person. I'm no financial expert so excuse the possibly wrong terminlogy, but said funds should be held in escrow or have a bond for that am...
[23:05:04] <exec> *** new comment: 03AnonymousCowardNoMore [5416] (Score:4, Interesting) 02Re:What took them so long? - 06Court Rules FTC Can Prosecute Companies Over Lax Online Security - 714 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:05:05] <exec> 08└─I'm not sure. It sounds like it would kill small companies even if nothing happens. How about: 1) Legislate away this "identity theft" BS and tell it like it is: Someone lied to you about who they were, you didn't verify, which means YOU were defrauded. No collecting from the guy they claimed to be,...
[23:05:06] <exec> *** new comment: 03Thexalon [636] (Score:4, Informative) 02Hooray! - 06Court Rules FTC Can Prosecute Companies Over Lax Online Security - 1230 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:05:07] <exec> 08└─What Wyndham was doing is a complete no-no under PCI-DSS [pcisecuritystandards.org], but a very large number of companies simply ignore those standards and lie about being in compliance. For example, I antagonized the owners of one smaller employer by proposing a project to bring them into complianc...
[23:05:08] <exec> 08*** new score 5 comment: 03Hyperturtle [2824] 02Re:Hooray! - 06Court Rules FTC Can Prosecute Companies Over Lax Online Security - 1921 chars - 04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:05:09] <exec> 08└─I have done audits and been on the corporate side as well, explaining (or fixing) issues. I sometimes do pen tests and scans to help a business learn what is wrong before they get an official audit. It is almost always horrendous unless I am making a second opinion. Make jokes about young Windows se...
[23:05:09] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02But - WIZARD! - 06Court Rules FTC Can Prosecute Companies Over Lax Online Security - 160 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:05:10] <exec> 08└─Gandalf! The Wizard of Oz! Merlin! Wizards never fail, do they? Oh, wait. That Potter dude is such a klutz sometimes. Does he draw from the powers of Microsoft?
[23:05:11] <exec> *** new comment: 03Celestial [4891] (Score:4, Interesting) 02About Time - 06Court Rules FTC Can Prosecute Companies Over Lax Online Security - 192 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:05:12] <exec> 08└─As someone whose information has been hacked and released five times since 2008 (that I know of), and just recently had to cancel a credit or debit card for the fourth time, I am all for this.
[23:05:13] <exec> *** new comment: 03xav [5579] (Score:1) 02Re:About Time - 06Court Rules FTC Can Prosecute Companies Over Lax Online Security - 113 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:05:14] <exec> 08└─Ah, that's it! When I met your name in the Ashley Madison listing, I knew I had seen it before a couple of times.
[23:05:15] <exec> *** new comment: 03Tork [3914] (Score:2) 02Re:About Time - 06Court Rules FTC Can Prosecute Companies Over Lax Online Security - 43 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:05:16] <exec> 08└─What were your intentions towards his name?
[23:05:16] <exec> *** new comment: 03xav [5579] (Score:1) 02Re:About Time - 06Court Rules FTC Can Prosecute Companies Over Lax Online Security - 52 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:05:17] <exec> 08└─I was paid one bitcoin to remove it from my listing.
[23:05:18] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:1, Insightful) 02pay the piper - 06Court Rules FTC Can Prosecute Companies Over Lax Online Security - 251 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:05:19] <exec> 08└─which is good... if you make software but not if your main stain is beds and maybe breakfast ... so sorry. so nasty expensive certified payment system required ... it will kickback pay enough to shift the blame and non existant privacy somewhere else.
[23:05:20] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:pay the piper - 06Court Rules FTC Can Prosecute Companies Over Lax Online Security - 174 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:05:21] <exec> 08└─you mean like cash is king and credit/debit cards are only used by communists? so credit card proponents are acctually linux free software backend more secure proponents? no.
[23:05:22] <exec> *** new comment: 03Runaway1956 [2926] (Score:2) 02Re:pay the piper - 06Court Rules FTC Can Prosecute Companies Over Lax Online Security - 525 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:05:23] <exec> 08└─Your logic just doesn't cut it. So, your claim to fame is "clean beds and filling breakfasts" - that's cool. You have zero need to collect personal data on people then. You can accept cash in hand, and never record a single name, address, credit card number - nothing. You don't need any of that stuf...
[23:05:24] <exec> *** new comment: 03No Respect [991] (Score:2) 02What a crock - 06Court Rules FTC Can Prosecute Companies Over Lax Online Security - 470 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:05:24] <exec> 08└─Just like the FTC can sue spammers but private parties cannot? Yeah, that worked out real well. Not that this is a bad idea, but just like the old CANSPAM legislation, private citizens harmed by lax corporate security should also be able to sue. Only when banks and retail are made to shoulder the lo...
[23:05:25] <exec> *** new comment: 03Bill Dimm [940] (Score:2) 02Should Target Ad Networds Distributing Malware - 06Court Rules FTC Can Prosecute Companies Over Lax Online Security - 321 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org
[23:05:26] <exec> 08└─The FTC should target the ad networks that are distributing malware. I'm somewhat surprised that there haven't been class action lawsuits against them, but I guess the potential damage awards aren't significant enough to entice any lawyers, so the FTC should step in and punish the ad networds for be...
[23:05:27] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Should Target Ad Networds Distributing Malware - 06Court Rules FTC Can Prosecute Companies Over Lax Online Security - 74 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:05:28] <exec> 08└─Why stop there? Sue OS vendors for having the exploits in the first place.
[23:05:29] <exec> *** new comment: 03Anonymous Coward (Score:0) 02Re:Should Target Ad Networds Distributing Malware - 06Court Rules FTC Can Prosecute Companies Over Lax Online Security - 129 chars -04 http://soylentnews.org (parent: http://soylentnews.org)
[23:05:30] <exec> 08└─While you're at it, sue the NSA for buying exploits for use against US citizens instead of revealing them so they can be patched.
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